Conventional vs Synthetic: Which Oil Do You Want in Your Engine During the Extreme Winter Cold?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video we perform a little lab experiment comparing the flow of Conventional versus Synthetic engine oils in your engine during the extreme cold winter months.
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Your videos are my Bible on how to take care of my F-150 thank you
I like the way you teach. Its not abrasive and you're not arrogant like some.
I learn a great deal of information from your vids.
Good job!
D S when you come across a arrogant tech, remember he's tried to explain this to hundreds of customer that kept interrupting and telling him he's just trying to upsell him on something they don't need.
The only mechanic I trust....the pennz 5w-30 full synthetic is treating my 5.4 great! Just hit 180k miles! Thanks Brian.
This guy has some deep information on his videos. It is a great experiment. 👌
Yea this guy is awesome he knows his stuff
1996 Ford bronco, original odor, 302 V8 has 375k. Does not smoke and runs good. I've use nothing but full synthetic in it.
Interesting. What viscosity and brand you use on that fine machine?
Yeah I've been using 5w30 full synthetic Mobil 1 with a wix oil filter in my 2004 Ford f150 and it runs like a champ
In winter too?
Do you think 5w20 in winter flow better?or 5w30 flow the same?
I’m from Regina Saskatchewan and use synthetic in my vehicles. Always change it around 5000kilometers. Even expensive oil is cheap if you think long term
Thanks for the effort to show the difference. 👍
I'm in Canada, all my vehicles run on full syn. Also use syn transfer case fluid as well. Synthetic is the best way to go in these parts
I have listened to Brian on every issue regarding my 5.4 Triton engine. I premtively did the timing job following his 4 part videos, which i watched about 4 times before tacling this job. Thankfully, he did the video about the roller followers, and the one about the melling oil pump before I did my timing job, so I replaced those also. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to use only OEM parts in this engine. I have used a pint of Marvel Mystery Oil at every oil change since I got the truck, and when i opened up the engine, it was clear that I actually did not need to do the timing job at 153k miles. It was pristine inside. Based on Brian's advice I use 5-30 full Synthetic every 5k miles, but i still start with a pint of MMO. The stuff just works. I now have 172,000 miles on my 2004 F150 with the 5.4 Three Valve Triton, and it runs like a swiss watch. I am replacing the cab corners, and then I will get her repainted. Oh I also preemptively did all the things to the tansmission that Brian recommended. Just listen to him, he is the best Ford mechanic I have ever seen, or heard. Once you get past the quirks the Triton engine has, like the ridiculous plugs, and especially if you use MMO, and the right weight synthetic oil, this engine will go a very long way, and considering what a new truck costs today, It really pays to get all you can out of your vehicle. Like my Dad used to say "Son, that new smell wears off way before the payments end" RIP, Dad, you were one smart mentor.
Brian has helped me keep my f150 going with the expertise he gives on these videos
"the sip port" . Great terminology!
I know super technical right?
@@FordTechMakuloco hey man .. I really love your videos. What would you say is the most bulletproof choice for F-250 diesels. What year and Driveline combo would you say is the way to go. I'm thinking about buying a used truck
It will be 60° Tomorrow and 70° by sunday, but absolutely love this experiment my friend. Synthetic all the way!!!! 👍👍
Great video, Brian. I've seen other tests of oil done in similar fashion and the results are very much the same. Synthetic oil is, by far, superior for many reasons. Keep up the good work.
My experiment was I tried conventional 5w30 for a few days (to help clean up the engine) and it was about minis twenty two days in a row. I recorded the engine cranking over and starting with the conventional and then the next day with 0w30 in it. Cranking speed was almost double.
How is using conventional oil help cleaning the engine.
-28F? Oh hell no….
I only use synthetic in my diesel along with Archoil. Have for years. Rotella T6. 5w in winter and 15w in summer. Change every 6 months. The difference is noticeable, especially in cold temps.
Synthetic is no doubt better in extreme temps whether its cold or hot. But most people wont gain anything from using synthetic oil unless you keep your car to 250,000 miles or so. Keeping your oil changed and clean is way more important in my opinion.
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into making these videos!! Thanks again!!!!
Correct me if im wrong... But with negative temperatures, factory recommended oil 5w-30 can be replaced with a 5w-20 in those conditions, maybe even 0w???
Been using Full Synthetic oil for 20 years with No Mechanical issues! All my car's engines are are in excellent working condition like New because of QS Full Synthetic. They start in the coldest weather on the first crank.
What always amazes me is pulling a valve cover on an engine that has had synthetic oil all its life. The metal literally looks like new - shocking!
There has to be other benefits Other then just the viscosity at cool temps. Longer life, doesn't break down as fast and also offers better lubrication at all temps.
Full synthetic all the way! I live in the Midwest and the car I use for work never fails to start and run like it should because of full synthetic oil since day 1. Extreme temps and operating cycles beg for full synthetic oil and it's worth the extra money spent
There are exactly ZERO cases in which you want anything other than full-synthetic oil in any piece of equipment you own; fluids are cheaper than iron.
I use to imagine that you lived in the garage :p
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Ira Friedman lol
Oh for god sakey
what about the synthetic blend oil?
From what I understand It would probably be hard to do a good test on synthetic blend oils since they can be anything from 5% synthetic 95% conventional to the other way around since there is no set standard on them.
I'm nowhere near those extreme temps,, but synthetic is the way to go. Mobile One full synthetic for me. I changed to 5-30 what Brian says to do after timing chain and cam phasers job.. 305,000 miles and counting
Mobile One does a great job. A true 100% full synthetic motor oil
@@LEMMYKISGOD Its not full synthetic Lol
@@LEMMYKISGOD Mobil 1 "Full Synthetic" is a great oil, but it is not "100% Synthetic". Only a few brands are "100% synthetic", which is different than "full synthetic". Look on the bottle and most will read "Full synthetic", not "100% Synthetic". In order to be 100% synthetic it has to meet certain criteria. Mobil 1 still really good, though, and I do use Mobil 1 Extended Performance in some of my family members' cars.
John Anthony Cantergiani I use Royal Purple in my 2005 Honda Accord it has 77 k miles and inside the oil cap look brand new too.
I just got a 2001 Ford Expedition 150,000 k miles and put in Mobile 1 oil full synthetic oil and mobile 1 filter too for now but I think I might put Royal purple oil and filter in it next or KnN oil filter I like a lot KnN oil filter
If you're talking about AMSOIL, Royal Purple, and other salesman backed synthetic motor oils then I'll pass on those. I'll stay with my Group IV level synthetics. Not interested in paying a sales commission for my oils
Can you mix the two? Like in a oil change how clean does it have to be before I add syn. Do I need to do a oil flush or?
You can mix yes
New subscriber here, great videos... Quick question I drive a 2007 f150 5.4 V8 here in Texas normally put in 5w - 20 synthetic blend, should I switch to full synthetic or other kind? Thank you
Switch it to at least the 5/30 synthetic. Brian has made this reccomendation to help reduce wear on the vct system (phasers, and valve train), I would stay with full synthetic in texas, the temperature range isn't as extreme as here in Chicago so engine should stay happy.
Cool experiment, nice observation... on the flip side; how do they react in high temperature ?
conventional oil versus synthetic oil
Might be Interesting
Thanks, your videos on Ford A/C systems diagnosis has helped me become a much more focused technician.....ty...
Oh yeah. If you have an old vehicle don't be afraid to switch to a national brand synthetic.
Don't be shocked when your first few oil changes look nasty. Its cleaning your motor.
I've switched 80s, 90s and 2000s vehicles and equipment that was old and high miles to synthetic oil all to positive effect
I've heard of some people having issues causing more leaking because the oil is more slippery. If the engine isnt an oil leaker and has good compression then yes I'd switch right away if you can. Otherwise domt put synthetic oil in an old clunker
@@jonathoncatterson8901
Don't switch on an engine with more than 50K or you will end up with leaks
I have used full syn for 19 years, change filter every 5k, oil at 10k....no downside. Brand? Walmart Supertech.
srercrcr I do the same, have always used royal purple but I’m thinking of switching. My question is how many miles have you gotten out of this method? Just curious? I have a friend of mine with over 300,000 mikes and only CHANGES his oil at 50,000 miles! He changes filter every 5000 and adds a quart of oil! Insane
@@cl112688 I wonder why he waits for 50k miles?? I mean oil changes are not that expensive, and its cheap insurance! Crazy if you ask me.
@@carstuff4u942 He burns a quart of oil every 5K and adds a new quart at that point, so when he has gone to 50K miles, it is not the same oil that is in there from the beginning. The oil has been fully "changed" (according to his method) several times by that point, so he really doesn't have 50K miles on the oil.
@@cl112688 a 2000 Explorer went 220K and never burned a drop,, and a 2014 Explorer with 66K.
which is also dexos rated making it no different than any other dexos rated oil that is twice the price.
excellent idea, overslepta bit?
should add a semi synth, that's my favorite
I feel your pain, I live about 150 strait west of you, cold as heck here too
still -2 right now
Your channel is awesome and I have learned so much about proper car maintenance..
I have used synthetic for the last 16 years I will never go back .
Synthetic oil and 3000 mile oil changes keep my F150 5.4 happy 160000 miles and My Kia Soul 90000 miles happy. Am I wasting oil? Perhaps. Money? No way.
camper tv I change the oil at around 2k with Pennzoil Platinum, do I think it's overkill....no.
I used to change it every 3k, however I noticed a substantial browning of the oil after 2k. Even with full synthetic my oil is black at 3k. I live in Arizona, so I'm guessing that my my oil brakes down sooner that when I lived in Northern California. Keep your 5.4 happy👍🏽
Wow, maybe will need to go 2k. I need to get a lab test at the next oil change.
I am very disappointed that you didnt use Motorcraft. Try Motorcraft Synthetic Blend and Full Synthetic. This test has already been done by every oil on the market, not a damn one on Motorcraft....
Gary Poe so buy some and do it
It doesn't matter. All conventional, syn blend, or full synthetic are relatively close to each other no matter which brands. Motorcraft is just part of Conoco, Phillips 66, Union 76, Kendall, and Trop Artic. Those and all the other oils have been tested over and over.
Great video! Just went through that polar vortex in Illinois and temps mean everything at this point.
I watched the same experiment a while back all 4 were 5w-30 and I know it was Mobil 1, Royal Purple, I think Wal-Mart brand they use in their auto center and one other. Put all four in a deep freezer for 24 hours and then dumped all 4 simultaneously and the Mobil 1 beat the other 3.
I live in Minnesota Duluth and I like using valvoline synthetic blend. 5-20 2003 and 2013 f-150 it works perfectly. Good video man.
Nice demo. There is no denying the synthetic is the winner here!
Great video fordTech
Wow what a difference....Thanks for taking the time.
For my cars, I use only synthetic oil. For the last few years, I'm using Motul 5W30, 100% Synthetic oil.
In the winter months, between November and April, I switch to 0W30 Synthetic oil.
For manual transmission, I use Motul "Gear 300", SAE 75W90 100% Synthetic Ester Gear oil.
I’m HOUSTON we’re no where near cold, but what are your thoughts on our hot summer and the same oil?
I want your opinion/advice, going to put a 2015 F150 with the 5.0 back on road after 6 months. The vehicle has 150K miles. Should i run it a while with the current oil and filter then replace or just replace without running it. Also, should I go with 5w20 (factory spec) or should I go with 5w30? Thanks
Good information. I wish it went further.
* outcome of going from 0W-20 to 0W-40? Good or bad?
* is changing oil once a year enough? Under 5000k miles per year.
* many cold starts, low mileage yearly less than 3k, is oil change once a year enough?
Hello, on my 2016 5.0 KR,, the 5w-20 synthetic blend is recommended. I read a lot of folks uping the weight, i dont trust everything i see, so whats your experienced opinion? Just stay with the manufacturers recommended oil to be safe? Truck has 77k and is mint, i wanna keep it that way as long as possible. Thanks for you input sir.
You should point out that syntentic might cause leaks on older engines. There’s no denying it flows better in cold temperatures tho . My 2006 ram 1500 the syntectic oil uses about 2 litres between oil changes and Dino oil it uses none .
That's like back in the day we didn't use Quaker State or any paraffin base oil. In below zero temperatures in Upper Michigan the oil wouldn't flow out of the container.
Respectfully, does the "difference" really make a difference?
no
If most engine wear occurs at cold-start and during the first few minutes of operation, it most likely makes a difference in the long run.
I grew up in Kenosha County, Wisconsin. I have been using Mobile one since 1992. I have a 1998 Ford Windstar that still hasn't had a head of yet and has almost 300k on it has used Mobile One its entire life.
Hey neighbor.
Unbelievable weather were having. Love your videos. Keep em coming.
I’m an Amsoil dealer and I appreciate the demonstrations. As a Ford F-150 eco boost driver I have a question for you. My 2012 had 154 thousand on it and I’ve heard about drilling a small hole in the bottom of the cooler to let the oil blow by drain. What’s your thoughts on that?
I have a 2018 Ford F-150 with the v-8 5 liter engine should I start using a 5w 30 oil or stick with the 5w 20 for that year? I have about 9000 miles on the truck.
Also curious about this, though I have a 2011.
@@repairvehicle Name a non-quality synthetic oil, will you? Stumprd eh? No such animal. Synthetic is the top of the food chain.
@@DuffyGabi Mobil 1 has been an expanded brand the last 10 years, the name represents a family of oils (like Pennzoil)
What about the Semi-Synthetic that Motocroft uses at all the dealer networks for oil changes? Also is there is validity in the fact that the pressures are so high in the turbo charged ecoboost engines that a Semi or conventional oil is better as the particles in the oil are thicker.
Chris Rosenberg : I get my F150 and Edge serviced at the Ford dealership asking for The Works package. They put in Motorcraft Semi Synthetic so I assume it is Ford Motors recommended oil. I too wonder about using full synthetic in my vehicles. It does get cold in northern Iowa and I always change oil at 3,000 to 3,500 miles because our use is in town short distance driving. We do use remote starts for 15 minutes. Anyone know if full synthetic would make much difference on our engine life?
@@PrometricUSA I have used nothing but mobile 1 in my wife's 06 Corolla and it has 268.000 on it and still runs GREAT!
Jamie hynday dealership use bulk oil valvoline.you get what you pay.conventional, semisyntetic wich is whatever they say high milage or full synthetic.
I would say there is no validity to that. I just bought a used ecoboost equipped car with 21K miles. My first oil change on it will be coming up in the spring and I will be using a good quality 5w20 full synth in it. Probably Mobil 1 with a Motorcraft filter.
My Ford Dealer uses Synthetic Blend. Does the Synthetic help conventional oil in this case? I live in Southern California, so no freezing issues here.
Syn blend is just fine for your area.
@@FordTechMakuloco In reality, Synthetic blend ain't that much different that full synthetic in that "full synthetic" oil is still highly refined petroleum based instead of a true synthetic oil. Its pumped from the ground not made in a lab.
Good day Walter aren't you lucky, not having freezing problems. LOL Thanks I live in Ont Canada Thanks
2015 F150 with the 5.0. Do you recommend 5w20 or 5w30?
I like synthetic better as I think it also cleans better too. Even use blended if not full synthetic.
Love the channel my man from a Ford tech in Europe .
Thanks!
I'm in the opposite conditions... In the summer temps can be over 120F and I would only use Synthetic oil to ensure the engine is protected in these extreme cold or warm temps.
Great video, synthetic is well worth the money! Its sad you have to include a disclaimer when you're actually educating people. Only in America!
I am impressed by the 5W30 natural's pouring. Poured better than it did back in my day before synthetics.
I think modern conventional oils have a small blend of group 3 oil. There's no way a straight conventional group 2 oil would meet modern API specs.
Does anyone know where his shop is located? I would like to inquire about his services. Thank you
Great experiment! Sold me
Must be that darn global warming 😂
I'm guessing the folks in the Midwest are begging for some of that Global Warming they've heard so much about??😎
actually its the grand solar minimum and get use to it just the beginning of the 400 yr cycle and there nothing we can do.
Ahem, it's called "climate change" now, but like Rush says, they will start calling it "weather extremes" from now on.
Who cares about that? We’ll be dead before anything really crappy happens if we don’t do things to stem it. Let the kids and the grandkids worry about it. I hate catalysts and we should burn coal. If we burn our garbage in burn barrels at every house it will keep the landfills open longer.
Climate and weather are two different things.
I cant plug in my 2018 f-150.. They say it will catch fire
Good day Bill I'm from over by Elmira area, why can't put block heater Thanks
Wait! Wheres my eggs and bacon?😉
I enjoy your videos, thanks for sharing.
glad you mentioned with dirty oil conventional would be like molasses I'm sure
Its all about which the oil company makes the most profit on. Has nothing to do with syn vs dino.
Pennzoil Platmium is a full synthetic no air quotes it is 100% synthetic
Great video. Wonder how it flows through the filter? ❤️️
Arthur Fricchione filter will go into bypass mode if the media cannot flow enough fluid. Typical bypass psi are 17-22psi. It’s important to use a filter that is OEM or has the same bypass rating as OEM for this reason.
WELL DONE....
Not only does the full synthetic flow better but it lubricates better and is more resistant to heat.
It has been BRUTAL here Chi-Beria. I only use full synthetic in my truck for this reason. Usually Castrol edge, Mag 1 or Valvoline.
Mobile One Full Synthetic is also a great choice
@Mike R. I agree Castrol Edge is all I run. 5W30 in my 97 Mercury with 255k on it.
I always put full synthetic, even after 100k miles. Always full synthetic.
My engine in my Porsche seized and I’m looking at a 20 thousand dollar repair
Is it true the new oil and synthetic oils are not good for older engines with the flat taper cam.
Hater will say it’s fake....
so "synth" oil is really cold weather oil and only people in the north need to use it, and only in winter.
FordTechMakuLoco and Project Farm are the true heros of RUclips!
How would the Ford semi synthetic do?
Synthetic also offer much better lubricity at extreme temps as well.
Great video Brian! I recommend checking out 'esso engine oil winter conditions' on youtube, shows the comparison of oil flow to the cylinder heads in severe cold.
What about synthetic blend vs full synthetic??
thank you!
Penzoil aren't actually full synthetic, they are just marketed as Synthetic as this is allowed in the US. They are made from Group 3 oils, while full synthetic are PAO group 4. In Europe if an oil is called synthetic it has to actually be synthetic or else it can only be labeled synthetic technology.
You must have missed the part where I used air quotes when saying full synthetic...
Your videos are very informative and thorough. I really appreciate your knowledge and help with all issues on the Ford product line. I only wish I lived closer so I could bring my vehicles to you. Thanks again and keep the videos going!
What about the difference during a hot summer day?
don't let your lug nuts freeze up lol
They may have mead the synthetic a lower Syntapose
Thanks for posting this, did no good with a dead battery this morning, but that's what the cold does, if there's a weak link, winter finds it!
ENGINE BLOCK HEATER, RECOMMENDED?
Best thing is to keep the car garaged where it stays warm in the first place.
So true but not always an option.
I have a heated 3 car garage but own 5 vehicles so it still isn't an option for my poor Escape and Focus.
That is a great point. My question is what do you do when you spend 8-12 hrs. at work and you have to start your vehicle when temps have been in the low to negative range with it sitting in an unprotected, non climate controlled parking lot? That is why synthetic oil is needed for engine protection.
@@philtripe your comment has nothing to do with oil.... What are you smoking lol.
@@philtripe Do you drive a TESLA ?? 🔥
My 2012 F-150 Lariat 4x4 has 140,000 miles. Can I continue to use conventional oil when having an oil change?
I would switch to syn blend.
Whats your opinion on the "car wizards" video on the 5.4 being the worst engine ever
Wrong! I love the 5.4L it just has a few issues like the 6.0l powerstroke. Once you put on the latest parts they are great reliable engines. They key here is both these engines have a very strong core that takes allot of abuse. It’s everything that bolts onto this core that is failing due to early engineering faults.
@@FordTechMakuloco ok. so the small oil passages and possibly sludge are not necessarily the whole issue. Do you have a bulletproof your 5.4 video? might be a popular vid...
6.0 liter is a good engine but it should not take 10k to get it there. plus its a maintance queen which i don't mind other than the constant headache with it break down tows on a daily basis.
kapple17 yes he has a series of videos on "bullet proofing" a 5.4 where he covers in depth R&R the timing set and oil pump.
@@FordTechMakuloco I agree completely. I am dreading the eventual timing chain job though..
Still not as cold as my soul. Synthetic for my 3v
Wow! Just WOW!
I found the Intellectual
So do you recommend a full synthetic oil? And do you recommend say a Penzoil or stay with semi Motorcraft oil?
Just bought an ‘18 2.7 and just trying to give her the best possible life ….
Awesome videos!! Have definitely helped over the years when I had my ‘08 5.4 3V…
This test was thought out in a very realistic way. Since both oils are the same viscosity technically they should pour the same in these conditions. This test proves two things. 1. Not all 5w oils have the same cold pour point, some 5w oils are thicker or thinner than others. 2. Pennzoil synthetic 5w is actually a very thin 5w oil. This test actually proves that this type of Pennzoil 5w is a very thin oil and this is why it flows better in sub zero temps. A way oil company can claim better performance in the way of thin and easy to pump. Proof of marketing gimmicks right here folks. I personally believe and use synthetic oils, in fact I use this type and viscosity used in this test, but saying because it's synthetic is why it flows better in extreme low temps is not correct.