TF2: Spy Psychology - Dealing with Pyros

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  • Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
  • #TF2 #teamfortress2 #spy
    Pyros are the natural counter to spy, so how do you deal with them, or even possibly... fight back...
    0:00 Intro
    2:19 Survival
    7:34 Fighting Back
    10:04 Pyro's Arsenal
    14:12 Outro
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  • @Jontohil2
    @Jontohil2  Год назад +469

    I didn’t forget the powerjack, I just didn’t deem it important enough to mention in the video. And yes I know you can weapon switch mid-air with the thruster, but I was trying to make it sync up with what I was saying.

  • @Pudding404
    @Pudding404 Год назад +1639

    The case of pyro vs. spy, pyro was created to hunt spies in every aspect, the matchup most of the time isn't even close to being fair. I love that it's basically predator vs. prey.
    I do love that this video stresses that you don't necessarily have to take out the pyro, that's what your team is for, just don't get hunted.

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +77

      if you can hit headshots with the ambassador you can pretty much negate anything pyro can do to you. they are forced to walk in basic directions with the flamethrower so its usually an easy 70-102 dmg shot

    • @bruhwhosuisson
      @bruhwhosuisson Год назад +42

      ​@Porky Minch if they know how to hit the control button, they'll probably catch up to you because foreword Pyro is faster than backwards spy

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +17

      @@bruhwhosuisson body shots still deal a good chunk of dmg and stalling. but if you cant hit em switch to stock

    • @walter1383
      @walter1383 Год назад +38

      The description of predator vs. prey made me think of the film Predator, and the image of Spy as Arnold is hilarious.

    • @boldCactuslad
      @boldCactuslad Год назад +11

      even good pyros are so ludicrously overconfident vs spy, all you have to do is land 1-3 shots
      or hit A or D on your keyboard at any point for a free backstab

  • @pyromain
    @pyromain Год назад +1418

    I'm a pyro main watching this video so I can kill spies better

    • @axolotol_342
      @axolotol_342 3 месяца назад +35

      This doesn't work

    • @veganmeatball6780
      @veganmeatball6780 2 месяца назад +37

      So committed for only 21 likes…

    • @tttttttttttttttp12
      @tttttttttttttttp12 2 месяца назад +72

      ​@@axolotol_342 yeah it does. Not even trickstab gods can touch me anymore. At this point a spy could only kill me with some ambassador headshots but I haven't met a spy who can aim yet lmao

    • @averagetectonicplateenjoyer
      @averagetectonicplateenjoyer 2 месяца назад +17

      @@tttttttttttttttp12or a spycicle and stock revolver

    • @tttttttttttttttp12
      @tttttttttttttttp12 2 месяца назад +41

      @@averagetectonicplateenjoyer meet the shotgun

  • @puddingfell5288
    @puddingfell5288 Год назад +541

    As a pyro main, this has made me infinitely more scared of spies knowing how to not walk directly backward from my flames

    • @Vertically_rotated_shark
      @Vertically_rotated_shark 11 месяцев назад +48

      How to no backburner
      Don't back

    • @JeffarryLounder
      @JeffarryLounder 4 месяца назад +16

      The backburner counters this. It's such a pain trying to run from a Pyro's flames because it's the quickest way to evade them, only to be critted to death almost instantly by doing it.

    • @Encodedbase64
      @Encodedbase64 2 месяца назад +3

      Use something that's called "the secondary weapon"

    • @pauldeddens5349
      @pauldeddens5349 2 месяца назад +2

      Flame. Airblast. Airshot flare.
      If they arent dead outright, they will be in about 3 seconds.

  • @ikcikor3670
    @ikcikor3670 Год назад +642

    Things not mentioned:
    If you backstab someone with a Kunai, you get instantly extinguished.
    Powerjack makes Pyros run faster, I think possibly slightly faster than you. It can make backstabbing a pyro sprinting from spawn to the objective way more annoying and could help them catch up to you.
    Pyros can rocket jump to an extent using Scotch Shot and Detonator, especially that 2nd one.

    • @vhyez
      @vhyez Год назад +22

      the hammer is the powerjacker

    • @HexiiSky
      @HexiiSky Год назад +37

      also good luck catching a jetpack pyro.

    • @O5MO
      @O5MO Год назад +21

      @@HexiiSky it makes pyros less effectuve in combat, unlike Powerjack

    • @datunakirvalidze8712
      @datunakirvalidze8712 Год назад

      first one is mntioned in one of the spy pychology video

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад +15

      I believe powerjack gives 10% boost to speed, scortchshot gives smaller jumps than detonator which is preferable weapon for pyros who like to jump around. Scortchshot when hitting enemy launches them up slightly making them unable to move on their own while they're in the air, detonator deals minicrits to already burning enemies

  • @eduardpeeterlemming
    @eduardpeeterlemming Год назад +1237

    Greatest spy guides on planet and thank you for always reminding us that "SPY HAS A GUN"

    • @Guarshroom
      @Guarshroom Год назад +62

      Ngl, as someone who also mains Pyro in addition to Spy I use the Spy's willingness to use their gun as a baseline measurement for how good a spy they are

    • @Ari-mw5vh
      @Ari-mw5vh Год назад +6

      Im a gun spy so yea

    • @CoralCopperHead
      @CoralCopperHead Год назад +42

      @@Guarshroom As a godawful spy who uses his gun primarily because he can't stab for shit, I appreciate this ego boost.

    • @stuartgavigan9874
      @stuartgavigan9874 Год назад +4

      I type "SPY HAS A GUN" when I kill a sniper with the razorback as spy

    • @headphoneguy4021
      @headphoneguy4021 Год назад +7

      Your knife melted? Pyro trying to burn through you? Just tricksta-, I mean use a gun, because SPY HAS A GUN

  • @sajmon2771
    @sajmon2771 Год назад +598

    I love how pyro is portrayed here as an absolute menace

    • @Dark_Crusader633
      @Dark_Crusader633 Год назад +146

      Because Pyro is a menace

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +323

      They are simple minded with one goal:
      kill.
      (sometimes)

    • @wr3nche5
      @wr3nche5 Год назад +58

      it makes me want to play as him and terrorize people (i love doing that), but then when you ACTUALLY play as pyro, it's honestly not as crazy as it's portrayed. . .

    • @okboiuded2324
      @okboiuded2324 Год назад +56

      Us pyro mains have two sides:
      SLAY THOSE WHO OPPOSE YOU
      Awww he scrunkly

    • @joeypickering5273
      @joeypickering5273 Год назад +10

      oh hey pyro remember me? I detailed the balloonicorn in meet the pyro.

  • @AntiDragon
    @AntiDragon Год назад +657

    Pyros can also use detonator and scort shot to close distance meaning you can have harder time escaping them, but also if you can predict their jump, you can actually move into them so they jump over you.
    Also my man forgor the powerjack 💀

    • @coolepic519
      @coolepic519 Год назад +49

      backburner and powerjack, yea its not likely you can escape them because 5 or so of their unlocks JUST HELP THEM, ACTUALLY ALOT MORE, DEGREASER ALLOWS YOU TO SWITCH MORE DAMAGE AND LESS FLAMES, KILLING YOU FASTER, RANGED WEAPONS, EVEN THE SHARPENED VOLCANO FRAGMENT HELPS, PLUS POWERJACK, BACKBURNER, lmao

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +9

      understab

    • @AntiDragon
      @AntiDragon Год назад +13

      @Leeloo_the_fox I am also a pyro main and yes, it can be not very worthfull but, is far from being useless. It still covers more distance than just walking and deals much less self damage than detonator.

    • @boldCactuslad
      @boldCactuslad Год назад +3

      any pyro jumping to get closer to the spy will get triiiickstabbed

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +5

      @@boldCactuslad or if you really wanna be a troll, bait em into a sentry heavy or dh soldier

  • @someskills785
    @someskills785 Год назад +315

    one thing you maybe should have covered was the fact that the detonator on a skilled pyro is nearly a guarantee that you’ll never make it out alive, because they can outright surpass you in speed with detonator jumps.

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +18

      hitting them with your revolver as they jump will force their jump to stall midair.

    • @tarquinioprisco8459
      @tarquinioprisco8459 Год назад +64

      a skilled pyro is a sight to behold regardless of the weapons they are using

    • @deppo436
      @deppo436 Год назад +7

      A "skilled" Pyro, you say? Do tell me when they show up, Sketchek

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +25

      @@deppo436 ive had some times as spy where my teams pyros came in clutch by airblasting enemies into me for a stab, a surprisingly effective combo if done right.

    • @deppo436
      @deppo436 Год назад +5

      @@porkyminch1640 Doubt it was intentional. Most Pyro players airblast like it's a knee-jerk reaction if they're in close proximity to an enemy.

  • @robertstryjak1973
    @robertstryjak1973 Год назад +217

    I feel like Powerjack should have been mentioned since it can help pyros close the distance and thus place the spy back in the Danger Zone.

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад +16

      However pyro then don't have flamethrower out and you could go invisible, eventually pyro could use degreaser to switch between poewrjack and flamethrower but I haven't seen many pyros with that combo

    • @patrickgardner2204
      @patrickgardner2204 Год назад +1

      ​@@realdragonthat's what I see most pyros using these days.

    • @porkyminch1640
      @porkyminch1640 Год назад +3

      @@patrickgardner2204 yes but the powerjack makes him take more damage meaning by the time they pull out the powerjack and switch back to their primary to catch up with you they will have super low hp and either die trying to kill you or die trying to retreat while you use your revolver
      Another thing is that since they are moving faster then you if you quickly backpeddle they will be further ahead due to having more speed and cannot catch up making for an easier trickstab
      Not to mention using a small slope to stairstab easily catches pursuing pyros off guard as they dont expect it in basic map terrain

    • @andrehashimoto8056
      @andrehashimoto8056 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@patrickgardner2204thanks to LazyPurple and his squeeing the Combo Pyro playstyle (Instead of the Pybro, defensive or the alternative Offensive builds, including the accursed Phlog)

  • @niviera7807
    @niviera7807 Год назад +163

    Dragon's Fury may not be good at spychecking but 2 consecutive shots (which second shot becomes much easier after the first one) is enough to kill the spy

    • @paulgrundy6864
      @paulgrundy6864 Год назад +19

      So the dragons fury is much weaker when the spy is hidden but it is much deadlier if they have concrete knowledge where you are

    • @wahtx7717
      @wahtx7717 11 месяцев назад +7

      AND also has a greater range

    • @andrehashimoto8056
      @andrehashimoto8056 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@paulgrundy6864
      You exchange versatility against Spy to gain the ability to melt them the moment you get a whiff of their exact whereabouts nearby.

    • @VeryPeeved
      @VeryPeeved 2 месяца назад +1

      The real downside is that janky hit detection is working against you, rather than in your favor.

  • @Davtwan
    @Davtwan Год назад +55

    Pyro Main going to drop two tips here:
    1. The Powerjack. It’s rarely taken out to chase Spies as most Pyros are trying to keep you on fire. If you do die to one after being discovered though, then make a mental note that they will be faster than you but limited to melee range.
    2. Observe your running path. Some Pyros are very good with flares, and running straight to a health pack makes leading the shot easy to gauge. If you die to flares while doing step 2, then take note that the Pyro has good aim for your next encounters.
    Have fun and don’t get caught~ 🔥

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug Год назад

      Thanks,

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug Год назад +1

      I’m too much of a crack shot to actually hit a heavy, let alone a spy, with any sort of projectile though

  • @Casual_PKBeats
    @Casual_PKBeats Год назад +54

    Editing was top notch here, the transitions were really stylish too. Your videos are getting better and better man, I can tell your SFM skills are improving, great work

  • @piperstrikerfisher12
    @piperstrikerfisher12 Год назад +721

    Doom intro = EPIK

  • @nathanielbutterfield126
    @nathanielbutterfield126 Год назад +63

    I like how every spy main is super confident against other classes, but as soon as a pyro spawns they start panicking

    • @newturtle3
      @newturtle3 8 дней назад

      If you got a huntsman jarate tribalman's shiv sniper
      Or
      Mad milk fish scout
      Or
      Pomson Short circuit engy
      All also work but dont strike fear until they get 2 shotted or tracked down for being too overconfident.

  • @Polish_Rose
    @Polish_Rose Год назад +58

    in terms of movement, pyro can also flare jump. detonator is the best option for that so people should be aware of pyros who are skilled enough to pull it off

  • @heroiccarp
    @heroiccarp Год назад +214

    I love how simply you explain everything. It's very helpful

  • @ThatPillow
    @ThatPillow Год назад +33

    6:20 A little elaboration for anyone who needs it, an example is to move right but once you cloaked go left, it's better than not making the direction shown because they might choose the path you did

  • @patrickgardner2204
    @patrickgardner2204 Год назад +34

    Something i really wish you had talked aboht, is dealing with people who've raged switched to pyro after you've killed them one too many times.
    Its definitely a very different scenario, as they will spy check every teammate, hunt you to the ends of the earth, and spy check at more random and spratic times.

    • @FaizFS3
      @FaizFS3 Год назад +4

      when that happends just switch to other class than spy, once the enemy pyro realise that youre gone, then you switch back to spy

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +26

      Those pyros usually end up being very predictable, and can be susceptible to baiting...

    • @CaptDestro
      @CaptDestro Месяц назад

      If I get stabbed once. I'm putting on Doom music and will go Pyro until you change classes.
      All I want to do is chill. If I can't play my favorite class, neither can you. 😂
      They will eat flames and buckshot until they leave my guys alone.

    • @Manavine
      @Manavine Месяц назад

      @@CaptDestro Marking you down as ultra paranoid the moment you get backstabbed...

    • @mishagaming1075
      @mishagaming1075 20 дней назад +1

      @@Manavine*hands over pen and paper*

  • @aruan7sp
    @aruan7sp Год назад +28

    The main issue is not the Dragon's Fury itself, but the fact that a Pyro using it probably has decent accuracy compared to the average Pyro player.

  • @eintyentity9074
    @eintyentity9074 Год назад +15

    10:13 lost opportunity to say that the strategy of turning and running away can "backfire"

    • @CaptDestro
      @CaptDestro Месяц назад +1

      This is why I like the back burner. It forces them into a 1 v 1. If they don't face me, they die and end up as KFC.

    • @mishagaming1075
      @mishagaming1075 20 дней назад

      @@CaptDestroi love kfc!!!!

  • @King_Kitsune
    @King_Kitsune Год назад +22

    A couple important things to have included in this video:
    1: The powerjack is a weapon that gives pyro faster movement speed, making it easier to catch up with the spy and if you're in a casual server you'll also likely eat a random crit to the back of the head
    2: the scorch shot, on direct hit, can lock a player in place and does mini crits to buring players. Since you're a spy booking it from a pyro you're likely already on fire so you'll eat a lot of damage on top of being basically locked in place

  • @ComposerChronos
    @ComposerChronos Год назад +52

    I think it's also good to note that if a pyro is being too much of a pybro, and constantly spy-checking, they will easily become distracted with reflecting rockets, especially with crits. Uber pushes will also keep a pyro fully distracted, cloak and dagger is really fantastic for waiting for these moments and picking off targets the enemy pyro isn't around. If another spy is on the same team as you, and you see him making a play, you can use that to your advantage as enemies get hyper-focused onto a spy they found and will never check their back for a second spy. You gotta let the plays develop instead of forcing them.

    • @vladgabrielmatei9128
      @vladgabrielmatei9128 Год назад +7

      You just debunked my playstyle. Thank you for helping me better myself in my journey to scorch frenchies and protect my team :D

    • @Werty715_25
      @Werty715_25 10 месяцев назад +6

      As an engineer main, it's always the second spy that gets you.

    • @BenDover-xw7dv
      @BenDover-xw7dv Месяц назад

      No one ever expects the second spy!

    • @newturtle3
      @newturtle3 8 дней назад

      Pybros use RTR
      They can unsapp buikdings before destroyed
      BUT
      NOT BEFORE DELEVELED
      now that lvl 3 sentry is a lvl 2 much less knockback
      Lvl 2 to 1 dispenser and removes all metal
      Lvl 1 to undeployed tele means no enemies teleporting for the time being.
      Imo pyros benefit more
      Like heavies and demomen
      From sticking near engy nests to defend or pushback.
      Help the class with area denial ammo health replenish and teleporting allies to the front lines faster
      Vs
      Fighting and probably getting killed not even taking down 1 player.
      Ill stick to sticky trapping huo firing near a dispenser or flame checking around the area and airblasting.
      As an engineer main a good team hold >>>> a great team push.
      Pushes can be stopped easily and are harder to do coordinate with more than 3 people.
      An average team hold will help keep everyone alive better less coordination just do not let the nest go down or enemy push you back. That is literally all there is.
      The longer you hold weaken or kill enemies coming TO YOU
      the easier it is to move up and reposition / gain more ground.
      Sentries buildings sticky traps and positions take longer to setup but harder to dismantle vs going on the offense and breaking an enemy hold

  • @BigBadBloss
    @BigBadBloss Год назад +16

    As usual, you deliver excellence Jonto!
    As a Doom fan, I adore this video's particular style, and is probably my new favorite in the Spy Psychology series.
    Also, caught that brief moment of The Healer Stalks, that was a nice touch.

  • @HexSaber
    @HexSaber 6 месяцев назад +5

    This video feels like one of those safety videos that you’re told to watch before doing something dangerous

  • @JackTR1221
    @JackTR1221 Год назад +13

    12:39 Detonator can also help pyro to close distance with you.

  • @flamepunk8683
    @flamepunk8683 Год назад +8

    3:42 oh hey it's me! Thanks for the help X3
    For real though, it's really fun to hear your opponents in a game like this talk about how to beat you, keeps you on your toes!

  • @petersiep
    @petersiep Год назад +7

    i play both of the pyro vs spy dynamic, its always so fun when you notice things you learned on one class benefitting your play in the other class.

  • @TheDoc_K
    @TheDoc_K Год назад +5

    I love just how much of a THREAT you make the pyro in every video.
    As a pybro main, makes me feel validated.

  • @Dramilos
    @Dramilos 8 месяцев назад +4

    9:33 this is hilarious

  • @thisbox
    @thisbox Год назад +11

    12:42 It should be noted that the self explosion radius of the Detonator and the surface radius of the Scorch Shot share the same amount of range (110 Hu according to the TF Wiki) - but in particular the Detonator can theoretically have slightly longer range due to its ability to connect higher in the air.

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад +1

      Detonator can explode really close to pyro mid air giving higher boost than scortchsshot that requires to hit ground

    • @OmegaRC59
      @OmegaRC59 Год назад

      @@realdragon And on top of that, the explosion force of the detonator is higher as well

  • @xdarin_
    @xdarin_ Год назад +4

    _"Running away is a viable strategy."_
    -Xenoblade Chronicles tutorial

  • @Someoneig842
    @Someoneig842 7 месяцев назад +4

    "THE RAGE FILLS YOUR BODY"
    "THE PYROS EVEN FEAR YOU NOW"

  • @Alice_Amuleta
    @Alice_Amuleta Год назад +4

    11:10 = “DEATH ZOOONE”

  • @Scout-Fanfiction
    @Scout-Fanfiction Год назад +1

    Great video. The visual/audio gags land well, and the info is concise and easy to understand.

  • @theodorethewyvern2640
    @theodorethewyvern2640 Год назад +56

    As a pyro main, I’d like to mention that the dead ringer is very noticable, and it will NOT save you from a good pyro.

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +33

      Honestly I makes it even EASIER for a pyro to track you, because if you're paying attention you always know when the spy is coming. Plus, it basically tells me that WILL go for trickstabs at every opportunity.
      Source: my experience in killing trickstabber spies

    • @Ezezetayin
      @Ezezetayin 9 месяцев назад +1

      @jontohil2 You can wait until your health gets low and then activate it last second and take advantage from your speed boost and then use The Secret Joestar Technique™

    • @2wen98
      @2wen98 9 месяцев назад +1

      How do you notice it?

    • @theodorethewyvern2640
      @theodorethewyvern2640 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@2wen98 When a spy dies instantly from one puff of flame, or if they get reignited after popping the Dead Ringer

    • @2wen98
      @2wen98 9 месяцев назад

      ah ty@@theodorethewyvern2640

  • @funnymememan2142
    @funnymememan2142 Год назад +7

    Little correction: Fire particles do actually accelerate with your movement, that's pretty much why the exploits of getting stuck as pyro then just using the detonator to have an effectively infinite range flamethrower.

  • @nazarohoniuk857
    @nazarohoniuk857 Год назад +3

    It's so amazing how even after so many years such a great content is made for this game. Keep going, after your vids and 20hours of playing spy I'm finally able to hit top once in a while and enjoy my spy gameplay.

  • @dshadeproductions8258
    @dshadeproductions8258 Год назад +2

    YESSS. I’ve just been getting into playing spy again after temporarily maining other classes and pyros have become such a huge problem for me I’m so glad you made this video. Also I’m glad to see the series is back.

  • @soupcan
    @soupcan Год назад

    ive been recommending your videos to anyone who does bad in spy ingame or asks for tips, also when they ask in discord or whatever. theyre the most entertaining videos and the fact you talk about so much more than just stats or other basic info means even i can learn after so many years of playing by applying your game sense to mine. keep doing what youre doing, youre the best spy educational channel i know

  • @userofdainternaat6653
    @userofdainternaat6653 Год назад +34

    The doom intro for Pyro gave me chills, as if I was a spy facing off against 3 Combo Pyros with nothing but a cloak revolver, a kunai and stock watch.
    Amazing feeling

  • @noah-ux2cz
    @noah-ux2cz Год назад +29

    I love how so many Pyros when they catch a Spy think it’s a free kill, but then they realize that they just ran into your entire team
    ALSO SPY HAS A GUN

    • @funbro99
      @funbro99 Год назад +1

      Wont stop my hands from catching you.

    • @AzureTheAvian
      @AzureTheAvian 9 месяцев назад +1

      Because most of the time it is a free kill.

    • @GenericProtagonist7
      @GenericProtagonist7 6 месяцев назад

      Then he crits and w+m1's your entire team's frontline blindly.

  • @whatsagooduser_
    @whatsagooduser_ Год назад

    I've got to thank you Jon, I'm trying really hard to play Spy myself, and your videos are helping me a lot.
    Keep up the great work, and I can't wait until the next Spy Psychology video!

  • @MotorcycleCheetah
    @MotorcycleCheetah Год назад +1

    Grand job as always. I’ll certainly be implementing these tactics into my Future Spy Play.

  • @kaden-sd6vb
    @kaden-sd6vb Год назад +4

    I noticed that basically all the pyros in the end clip you killed were mindless wm1-ers. More skilled pyros won't do that, and some of us have good enough tracking to make trickstabs nearly impossible without some lucky hitreg, though we do slip up occasionally. Ive done some spy myself, and when dealing with a more skilled pyro patrolling, cloak and dagger+spycicle is key. Some of us(such as myself) don't always constantly flamespray and instead rely on just spotting a disguised spy via behavior alone, so assume your disguise kit is useless and you won't hear us coming, hence cloak and dagger. When detected, first priority is BREAK LINE OF SIGHT. After that, thats when I trigger my spycicle. If attempting to kill a more advanced pyro, either catch them off guard at range, or wait for a burst of noise from elsewhere nearby(to mask your decloak) and the pyro being distracted(say, busy playing mind-games with a soldier) and then try to go in for the stab. That's my input as a pyro main with some experience in other classes. Ngl i kinda feel bad for spies sometimes, what with how hard damn near everything screws you guys over.

  • @Guarshroom
    @Guarshroom Год назад +5

    Hey Jontohil! I'm a recent subscriber that, admittedly, came into the channel and the Spy Psychology series as a Pyro main looking to better deal with Spies. But after I applied the things I learned from the series I've made Spy one of my mains!
    Your videos have really helped me learn the basics for the class and has even taught me something about Pyro! (E.g. the flame particles relative to Pyro's speed). If you have any advice on inifiltrating Engie nests I would love to hear it! [Though I wouldn't be surprised if that's where the Homewrecker is gonna be covered]
    All in all, thanks for making these wonderful videos and I look forward to seeing more of the series and learning new ways to mess with people

  • @user-mw2sk7pi5x
    @user-mw2sk7pi5x Месяц назад +1

    The ANIMATION! The MUSIC!
    The USEFUL TIPS! 🤩
    (with actual numbers to back it up, like 96% speed for a backwalking spy VS 100% speed for a forwardwalking pyro)
    You got yourself a not only a new sub, but also a like on every video of yours I've seen so far, and hopefully the proudness that someone's who'd ignored the spy class for years is going to try to play it for the first time in a LOOOONG while. I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!! Keep up the good work 😎

  • @orionstarbelt9822
    @orionstarbelt9822 Год назад +2

    Some notes from a a pyro main here,
    1, gas passer is actually pretty good when your team realizes what it does
    2, a good back scratcher pyro can easily chip your health with the flame thrower and finish you off with one melee
    3. Be wary of tmates using jarate, mad milk or gas passer, as they can be reflected
    4. Air blast IS useful, it allows us to force you in a direction, sure we cant see you, but now we're 98% certain your now against that wall
    Also popcorning an unprepared spy is pretty effectice at messing them up

    • @an-animal-lover
      @an-animal-lover Год назад

      What exactly does the Gas Passer do?

    • @orionstarbelt9822
      @orionstarbelt9822 Год назад +1

      @@an-animal-lover gaspasser will coat an area in gas for a few seconds, enimies covered in gas will ignite if they take ANY damage. between the large slash zone and pyro having the arm of an NFL player he can assist against crowds or spies for a long distance. The way it charges up is a little weird but if your running either crit-thrower you only really need one kill to recharge

    • @an-animal-lover
      @an-animal-lover Год назад

      @@orionstarbelt9822 oohh, ok, thanks

  • @zomble_Guy
    @zomble_Guy 7 месяцев назад +8

    5:17
    Jontohil: when running face away from the pyro
    Backburner:

    • @satyavarma2449
      @satyavarma2449 2 месяца назад

      If you get caught off-guard with a backburner forget escaping, you'd be dead before you'd reasonably be able to act.

  • @calimo2875
    @calimo2875 Год назад +43

    as a pyro main i used this video to help me track spies more easily

    • @rubricon3491
      @rubricon3491 Год назад +1

      JONTOHIL, WHAT HAVE U DONE!?

    • @unstronzo3517
      @unstronzo3517 Год назад +2

      You fool you doom us all

    • @unstronzo3517
      @unstronzo3517 Год назад +18

      3:42

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Год назад +1

      Remember if spy goes right at you that is bad, you will get trickstabbed if you don't do anything. That's when you should use airblast

    • @yiti2550
      @yiti2550 11 месяцев назад +2

      Average pyro main being predictable:

  • @kimert1197
    @kimert1197 Год назад

    The amount of effort put into these videos honestly amazes me. For someone that has just picked up the game like me and fell in love with playing spy, this is just beyond perfect as you also explain some basic stuff about the game that is really important.

  • @GratissTVofficial
    @GratissTVofficial Год назад

    The quality of your videos is just incredible, what a grest work!!🎉🎉

  • @jacobwansleeben3364
    @jacobwansleeben3364 Год назад +9

    After watching about 100+ videos on TF2 on RUclips, this is the only one that's mentioned that walking backwards is slower than walking forwards.

    • @VTpier
      @VTpier Год назад

      I mean its common knowledge no?

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +1

      @@VTpier the game doesn't really do a good job at explaining this though, and these guides are targeted at all skill/knowledge levels.

  • @CrimsoniteSP
    @CrimsoniteSP Год назад +11

    Ayo, you know it's a good night when Jon uploads at 5am in the morning, lol.
    I'll be honest, my main strategy has been to just wait till they're distracted, disguise as a Medic, target them. Some Pyros are a menace in a casual lobbies. And when a Pyro wants to WM1, they're rarely suspicious of the Medic that's magically behind them.
    I know it's not gonna work all the time, it's just my go-to. Disguising as Medic tends to be really good in general though. Even if players are suspicious of your Medic disguise, in the heat of the moment they're just not going to notice unless you bump into them.
    Heck I've had a Scout use his Mad Milk on me, on my Medic disguise, because I was on fire and basically gave me the backstab. I'm proud of that moment.

  • @WereAssassin
    @WereAssassin Год назад

    I knew this was gonna be awesome, but GAHD DAYUM
    That DooM intro was so epik. It exceeded almost all my expectations, showing that you really know how to wow your audience.
    Such an informative video in an awesome bad ass format just can't be compared to most,
    I really love all of your videos, thanks for this one❤

  • @ComfortsSpecter
    @ComfortsSpecter 4 месяца назад

    Intensely Informative and Vibey
    Greatwork Great Man

  • @petzouqi76
    @petzouqi76 Год назад +4

    Notes for if you do run into a Mannmelter Pyro: They do not need to set you on fire to use their crits. And if your team has a few pyros, chances are this pyro is loaded with at least 5 reserve crits if they're competent. More experienced Thermal Thruster pyros tend to switch weapons before landing, yes, you can do that, and it allows the pyro to prepare to deal damage before landing, which is very critical in a chase.

  • @nazarohoniuk857
    @nazarohoniuk857 Год назад +6

    Idk, maybe it already was mentioned in some video, but I think it would be really cool to make a spy movement video, cause I think it's the most important and hard part in playing spy. Would be cool to see your guide about this part of gameplay.

    • @Astyl_
      @Astyl_ Год назад

      It would be quite funny yes

  • @leo-um6yt
    @leo-um6yt Год назад

    Thanks man, I’d been waiting a solid 10 minutes for this one

  • @goosepyro4470
    @goosepyro4470 Год назад +1

    He's at it again with another amazing video, love your content jon!

  • @redshyguynumber5567
    @redshyguynumber5567 Год назад +4

    Fail to mention the stunlock on the Scorch Shot.
    And the rather big hitbox

  • @evansarver2989
    @evansarver2989 Год назад +8

    I’ll be honest, I’m just loving how every video can involve the iconic “SPY HAS A GUN!”

  • @HalloMaster21
    @HalloMaster21 Год назад

    Im so glad you made a new video keep up the good work bro

  • @kevinherms1642
    @kevinherms1642 Год назад +2

    Wow, that first minute in a half was really cool. Who could've known that Spy had a gun?

  • @daybloom67studios13
    @daybloom67studios13 Год назад +3

    I’m a pyro main watching this video because I want to branch out and get better at spy

  • @ThatPillow
    @ThatPillow Год назад +49

    13:15 You should've mentioned that there is a noticeable green drip effect when doused that I'm pretty sure makes you blink and every other enemy can also set you ablaze which makes you no longer effective

    • @sirsigmondsamnson7008
      @sirsigmondsamnson7008 Год назад +1

      being underestimated is such a great power.

    • @sirsigmondsamnson7008
      @sirsigmondsamnson7008 Год назад +1

      same thing happens with the manmelter, but yeah this is a video for spy mains not for pyro mains.

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +8

      "Avoid the gas cloud and you'll be fine"

    • @sirsigmondsamnson7008
      @sirsigmondsamnson7008 Год назад

      @@Jontohil2 bro up there 👆 didnt get that theres no way to avoid the gas cloud.

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +3

      @@sirsigmondsamnson7008 you never said that it was unavoidable, and well... it is easily avoidable

  • @baconsandwich1887
    @baconsandwich1887 6 месяцев назад +1

    Man, as a Pyro main, the bit that kicked off the "Predicting Them" segment seriously got me. I feel like that's the entire Pyro vs. Spy matchup in a nutshell, Pyro definitely doesn't always require you to outsmart your enemies like Spy does. Still totally gonna at least *try* though, can't hurt to add prediction and trickery to my game plan especially since Pyro also thrives on ambush kills. At the end of the day, maybe we're not so different after all... 🔥

  • @PimGamefreak
    @PimGamefreak Год назад

    Yo this video was very good, I liked the editing
    Can't wait for the video about the homewrecker

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight683 Год назад +4

    5:20 powerjack and detnator:allow us to introduce ourselves
    like i actually tried to run until he pulled out the powerjack and smacked me with it the second a pyro does that there is no escaping he jus switch gets closer the back to flame thrower to make sure you can get rid of the fire

  • @mr.shapka228
    @mr.shapka228 11 месяцев назад +3

    I HAD A GUN ALL THIS TIME???

  • @xrn64
    @xrn64 Год назад +2

    I still can't believe my little bro managed to make it inside this Spy Psychology video!

  • @masquerade_txt
    @masquerade_txt Год назад +1

    that intro did not need to go so hard and yet here we are. amazing vid as always

  • @Unicode_3164
    @Unicode_3164 Год назад +6

    why does the pyro icon at 0:01 kinda look like a toilet

  • @josephpainter9002
    @josephpainter9002 Год назад +3

    Yes

  • @SmellerTheFirst
    @SmellerTheFirst 11 месяцев назад

    always loved this game, almost have 2k hours. spy is one of my favorite classes. i love stealth in games and doing it in a multiplayer game is a lot of fun. it's crazy how you can disguise as an enemy, and convince the enemy that you are one of them based off of your movement, positioning, where you're looking, etc.
    Made me think "hey I bet there's someone who makes like 'spy psychology' vids on youtube...." since there is definitely a psychological game that spies have to play to convince the enemy that they are one of them
    now today I pop that into youtube and your channel floods my results. that's awesome. I"m looking forward to watching these and improving my spy gameplay

  • @jamesyun8444
    @jamesyun8444 Год назад

    God your editing is god tier. Be proud of your videos man, they’re art.

  • @user-xo7il9qc9b
    @user-xo7il9qc9b Год назад +3

    This guy is basically uncle dane but with spy.

  • @Lermurmer
    @Lermurmer Год назад +2

    As a new tf2 player, this series is super helpful!

    • @ruur1490
      @ruur1490 Год назад

      Im a new player and i play spy rarely since he's hard. I normally use pyro.

    • @O5MO
      @O5MO Год назад

      @@ruur1490 its not recommended to play Spy or Engineer until you have the basic idea of how the game works.

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  Год назад +1

      @@O5MO that's generally one of the reasons I'm doing this series. Spy really complex and doesn't have a proper tutorial series for beginners.

  • @ecco710
    @ecco710 Год назад

    i dont even need help learning spy anymore, ur videos are just so well made and fun to watch that i never wanna miss a single one

  • @99999bomb
    @99999bomb 5 месяцев назад +2

    12:44 the det actually has a larger explosion radius than the scorch, and at times is more dangerous than scorch due to its air burst giving the pyro more control on the explosion and thus easier to get caught in the blast

  • @Ekid
    @Ekid Год назад

    That was a pretty insane intro 😲 Great job!

  • @chimi8167
    @chimi8167 Год назад

    These videos are so high quality in production, keep it up!

  • @ultimateaura7629
    @ultimateaura7629 Год назад

    You didn't have to go this hard with the video but you did anyway and I love it

  • @Awesomename16
    @Awesomename16 3 месяца назад

    this is the best youtube intro I've ever seen 100/10 like the intro should be like a whole movie

  • @bobawda
    @bobawda Год назад +1

    love the edit work keep it up

  • @Noneofyourbusiness646
    @Noneofyourbusiness646 Год назад

    Great video again. Loving it

  • @joshyjosh00
    @joshyjosh00 6 месяцев назад

    Editing and production is amazing

  • @radioactivebloxxer7475
    @radioactivebloxxer7475 Год назад +1

    You deserve more subs! Keep it up!

  • @MarioAnime07
    @MarioAnime07 Год назад

    This channel is the best spy guide and tutorial for new players and existing players. For me it's easier to understand by showing images and graphics + straight to the point.

  • @C0MPLEXITY
    @C0MPLEXITY Год назад +1

    the editing and 3d animation was so amazing, looked so close to doom eternal! extremely amazing content for real for real!

  • @Daboomski69
    @Daboomski69 11 месяцев назад

    Bro makes spy sound so epic to play it genuinely convinced me to play spy and actually pop of duo to the Spy Psychology series , good job mate.

  • @soupernpc1196
    @soupernpc1196 Год назад +2

    hes gonna talk about engineer matchup next video

  • @MemeRaiders-ex6sy
    @MemeRaiders-ex6sy Год назад +1

    Pyro is like your mom when she's angry at you for being rude.

  • @PersikLovesU
    @PersikLovesU Год назад

    The production quality on this is insane!

  • @monicaperrin9554
    @monicaperrin9554 Год назад

    Glad to see your back at it

  • @opshredderytp
    @opshredderytp Год назад

    I'll be needing that
    Plus I loved the Doom style intro

  • @keypiece9764
    @keypiece9764 Год назад +1

    Intro is fire, like your sound producer. Hope (s)he gets a raise.

  • @einsamerkeks5977
    @einsamerkeks5977 Год назад +1

    This Video was very well done. I liked it a lot :)

  • @medic67
    @medic67 Год назад +1

    this will help a lot while dealing with those pesky little brats also i love it how in every spy psychology video that you make it obvious that SPY HAS A GUN

  • @kalebmarkone9572
    @kalebmarkone9572 7 месяцев назад +1

    I pressed like not after the video, but after the intro to that video. I frickin love how creative this guy is.