The Promises Made and The Price Paid | Eddard 9 | A Game of Thrones | A Song of Ice and Fire
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- Ned Stark visits a brothel in Kingslanding and finds himself remembering Rhaegar Targaryen and Promises he made to his sister Lyana Stark long ago!
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Merry Christmas Gray! May the Gods bless you and yours. Love what you do here sis, keep that rollin
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I'll tell you a secret..... Ned knew that Dany was in bravos the whole time
My dad was given up for adoption because his birth mother cheated on her husband with my dad’s birth father. Years later right before I was born my dad located his birth mother and went to meet her (I have met her too and she was a sweet old lady. She passed away in 2010) but the lady didn’t remember the guy she had the affair with. She only told my dad his last name “Miller” and said he was a race car driver. So more than likely my dad will die and will never know who his father is. It’s really sad and one of the reasons I relate to Jon snow
That's really sad, ever thought to do a dna my heritage kit, could find relatives on there system.
Get your dad an Ancestry dna kit! I got my mom one. She was adopted in 1950 and she could not find any records of her birth mother, father, anyone. She did the kit and started finding cousins. Next thing she found was 2 half sisters!! So then she figured out the mom. She finally found her adoption papers and it only had a description of the father and where he had worked but no name. She was matched with some cousins and narrowed it down to 5 brothers, so one of the 5 was her dad. Well just recently, she got matched with a half sister, on her dads side this time! Now she knows who her dad is and found out she has 6 other half siblings, all of who are still alive. I think just knowing the history and WHO her parents were has brought her great peace and being an only child in her adopted home, it's a whole new world to find out she has 9 siblings!! Its so awesome the tech that can help people now days!
@@Megan9689 Did you heard about one case where person found a half brother. Well this brother was 22 years and his parents were married for 33 years. Where the mother found out she was so piss and divorce the father. So finding your roots is not always good thing.
My dad passed away before I was born and my grandmother never told him who is dad was,
And I always wanted to know My grandad to see how he was, if he looked like my dad, if my dad had more children that looked like my dad...
That's why I wish Jon learns in the books who her mother was, it was so frustrating that he wasn't even told a fake name 😞
maybe your dad is a secret Targaryen
I still love LOTR. It's interesting how Tolkien has influenced so many. I love Robert E Howard..have read him since the 70s. Need more info on Eldred...
Great guest! Loved this. Super cool he studies historical swords!! Swords are such a cool part of asoiaf
I remember hating Jaime so much after Jory died. Now he's my favorite POV character. Lol
Side note: This whole interaction could have been avoided if Catelyn didn't kidnap Tyrion.
Playing catchup and this was a very good one with great dialogue
Yes Sweet Summer Juice
In the book ned was never as close to as good as jamie even his defeat of arthur dayne wasnt 1v1 he won w help
That's the tv show. We don't know what happened at the Tower of Joy.
We don't know exactly what happened but Ned told Bran that he would have lost to Arthur Dayne if it wasn't for Howland Reed, implying Howland at least needed to help
Look, I know this is off topic, but imagine how phenomenal it would be if a book was written with ALL of Old Nan's Tales, it'd be straight Fire
I would LOVE that
@@justineharper3346 gotta have Mushroom Tales too!
Gray Lady returns...
I don't understand why people think what happen in the show will happen in the books, because the show was completely different than the books
Me too! Like, why does everybody assume Rhaegar was married to Lyanna, even if R+L=J is true, there is absolutely no foreshadowing for this in the books
There is no way, literally no way, Rob is Brandon's son. No, no and no. If you reread Catelyns POV's it's clear that Ned was Catelyns first, so I don't get why people are so keen on that theory. It makes just no sense to me
Even though grrm plays fast and loose w the time line this makes no sense at all its pushed that ned was catlyns 1st even though little finger thinks he fckd catlyn he def got her sister its a point grrm clearly pins down which he usally doesnt he likes to right so it could be either way but this isnt one of those its pretty clearly written u could argue ned wasnt a virgin but not cat
@@josephsmith6777 exactly!
I would love to have lord of the rings explained the way you do. I feel like I probably missed a lot.
Maybe I will do some LOTR a stuff!
Maybe Ned feels guilty because he wanted to tell Jon about his mum only when he was sure Jon couldn't claim his birthright by taking the black for instance. So he feels he cheated him.
Arya is like Lyanna in seeing people for who they are.
Cat doesnt dislike jon the person. She hates ned having a bastard and hates the threat he could posses to the seat of winterfell. If rob was to die, the north and even the stark kids would naturally be at jons side. Cat hates that fact that the kids and the north itself would rallie to jon if rob died even rob held this belief. Though cat had this wrong she was jealous of who jon was, what he meant and the fact as far as the north and the starks are concerned jon is neds son. Son of the north son of winterfell they arent as concerned w his bastard status. Bastard blood means much more in the south. Cat was always a outsider in the north. Cat disliked that she was and always would be a southerner. The fact jon looked and acted like a stark killed cat and it showed!
Agree, but she still acts horribly
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Jon is not legitimate (if R+L=J is true, which I believe to be the case), at least not in book canon
What if Rhaegar + Ashara = Dany is true?
@@sabrinakrisb4672 does anything point in that direction?
@@traumer9622 Yes! There's a whole list of argument for it. Some people argue that because the story is working towards some sort of "Jon and Dany are equals, both ice and fire" conclusion, then that means Dany likely has secret parents too. She probably has a connection to the North just as Jon has a connection to the Targaryens.
She probably has some connection to the north, and Ashara being her mother is probably the most likely reason why. Daenerys = Dayne Heiress. Rhaegar slept with Ashara and broke her heart, Ned had to help her and hide her baby.
Targaryens are allowed to married twice or even 5 times even if Jon Snow is son the Rhaegar, he is legal. note I believe he is not the son of Rhaegar.
@@sabrinakrisb4672 you know you're not the first one to suggest that it's a good combination I wouldn't mind. Rhaegar and Ashara Dayne. There even Arthur Dayne and Lyanna Stark combo.
I think Jamie is overrated. What did he do?? We hear of him being such a good sword against who? He waits til Robert is gone and Ned's party is small. His problem with Ned is Bee's condemnation of him in the throneroom when Lannister flags were waving over KL after a sack that was uncalled for and Jamie is sitting on the throne. Jamie is too mealy mouthed to tell Ned what really happened. I do think Jamie admires and wants honor in a romanticized way. Brianne is the one who leads him to see he can be an honorable person but not without the consequences that all great leaders and persons of honor encounter. Not always popular to tell others what they don't want to hear. I find Jamie reprehensible but cuz he is good-looking easier for some to stomach.
He fought against the predessesor or the kingswood brotherhood (I can't remember their name right now) and everybody was deeply impressed with his skills. Also, at the battle of the Whispering Wood against Robb Stark he takes out several men who have circled him single-handedly.
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18:20 nah Catelyn just hated Jon for being a bastard because she had a really toxic traditional mindset about marriage and motherhood. She saw Jon's existence as a personal insult to her traditional wife role. I think George was trying to illustrated how that toxic idea blinded her like that.
Statement Catelyn said if Ned had a 100 children out of wed lock she wouldn't care but leave them out the door. Don't bring them in our home. I like Catelyn, I don't get the hate.
I am so, so, so glad these videos exist!
hey Da'mon how can a two handed sword move faster than a normal sword?? it can't, unless... telekinesis! Mance Raydar = Arthur Dayne!! woot woot
Yes 🙌 mance equals Arthur not rhaegar
In a fight, a double handed sword is faster. The object(sword) is powered by an extra muscle group(the second arm). It moves faster and hits harder. That's why a single handed sword is generally, shorter.
@@roddo1955 no two handed sword is bigger harder to maneuver with. It even says so in the text
@@roddo1955 interesting thank you
My apologies for missing this post. Longsword are surprisingly light, agile, and extremely quick and versatile. Many people think that they are lumbering and clumsy but nothing could further from the truth. Powering the sword isn't just about your muscles or having both hands on the weapon, those things help but truly it is about using the proper body mechanics when using the longsword.
The baby in Tower of Joy is Daenerys not Jon.
We never get Lyanna's opinion of Rhaegar, do we? If it's in there and I've forgotten, nevermind, but if not, that's super interesting and even suggestive of her motivations in the affair. We get *literally everyone else's* opinion of Rhaegar, but not hers. But using deduction, knowing that she cited infidelity as her main reason for not digging Robert, we can probably eliminate "true love" as her interest in Rhaegar. He must have sold her on his interpretation of prophecy and her role in it. And if that's so, no doubt there were promises related to furthering desired outcomes that we don't yet know.
Littlefinger's involvement in Ned's downfall and his supposed obsession with Catelyn are clearly at odds. Yeah, bump off a rival doesn't seem like an unusual strategy, but obviously if he is openly associated with backstabbing Ned, Cat will eventually find out, and that's no way to her heart. I tend to assume that Baelish doesn't want Cat for his own. He was shamed by Brandon over her, and he holds a grudge over it, toward Ned as an extension of his brother, but also toward Catelyn. He just knows he can use that romantic narrative of the past as a front and an asset in the manipulation tool kit. The level of trust he is able to gain simply based on the assumption that he's devoted to Cat is pretty astonishing.
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Brandon Stark was dead before Robb was conceived, and Cat remembers losing her virginity to Ned. That’s a non-starter.
Thank you. I really think our great host has a massive hate boner for Cat.
Brandon did visit River Run right before he was told about Lyanna Stark then leaving for KingsLanding. After that he was killed
@@Rahim.ali80 that's a non sequitur. The timing doesn't line up for his birth at all
Gray has a video on this with a very good argument that Rob is Brandon's bastard. It makes sense why Tully was desperate for her to marry Ned when Brandon's body was barely cold.
Yeah, that was a reach.
If Ned didn’t know his sister had married, Jon would have still been a bastard. He could be considering Rhaegar’s infidelity, since he was already married.
The Targaryens are allowed to have two wives. So the any children they may have are legal.
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You will note how I said if Ned DID NOT know that his sister had married, he would consider the child a bastard. Additionally, while some Targaryens may have disregarded the law when it suited them, polygamy is illegal in the Faith of the Seven. Highly moral Ned, though not a follower of the Seven, likely would not have considered his sister being a second wife, as being a true wife.
@@AriBelleDean I suggest you read history Targaryens were above the laws of Faith cause they ride Dragons. After the Faith was basically crush by Maegor, King Jaenerys made a deal with them that they could marry their siblings and have multiple wives. Lyanna Stark was from pagan religion of Old Gods I don't think she follows the Faith.
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Maegor was the Last known Targaryen to have multiple wives. Maybe you’re the one who should read more.
@@AriBelleDean yes your are right he was the only King with multiple wives. The reason why is that because if you look at Targaryen family line of King's all them had heir to pass the 👑 on. It wasn't necessary for a King to have a second wife. Aegon IV had many mistresses, but he never marry them. There was an other King who was a sexual, but didn't need heir because he a had plenty of relatives to take over when he passed away.
Hey this has nothing to do with this video but My wife and I were wondering if you watched Amazon’s The Wilds and if u would every do any breakdowns on it. It could be something that’s up your alley but hey that’s just me....
Thanks for the juice! I like this conversation and this guest!!
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Love your re-reads another great one breakdowns on point.thnx Gray
Gray Area!
I enjoy so much your perspective on this. It’s been years since I read these books and I sped through them so fast to see what was going to happen next because the action kept me so enthralled.
My 2nd and 3rd re reads i caught soooo much more its a series that def requires at least to full reads i think even 3 but i re read the whole series at least once a yr its amazing the little details foreshadowing and things not said but strongly hinted to like the poisoning of tywin that some ppl dont believe and there isnt really any overt evidence so it depends on what u think i love that about his writing he says so much wo actually saying it
R+L=J&D. Twins and the song of Ice and fire.
They born 8 months apart.
Great work as always!
Talking Thrones recently covered the scene when Jamie’s forces attack Ned’s and its so heart wrenching.
Can’t wait for your next Daenerys video Gray! 🖤❤️
Yes. Jaime Lannister's honor. How many men did he bring with him? How many men did Ned have with him? How did Jory die again? Yeah, okay.
Merry Christmas!
Both Varys and Baelish needed Ned in King's Landing, for different reasons: Varys explained his reasons to Elirio, and Baelish wanted more influence...
I mean they have a brothel right outside the gates of Winterfel in the winter town...
Uh no way Jon could have ever sat the Iron throne. This is book cannon you cannot get a marriage annulled without concent of the high Septom. Jon would have been seen as a bastard by almost all of the Kingdoms because (even if they had gotten married) his second marriage to Lyanna would have been seen as illegitimate.
Not to nitpick, but That line "next time I see you we'll talk about your mother" is a show only line.
Cat does not fear Jon's claim she fears his children's claim. If he got married his children would be true born and in the relatively same fuedal level as Robb and the other kids.
Lady Gray c'mon Brandon was a hoe but hoster wasn't a full especially after the Lysa little finger incident. There is zero evidence that Robb is Brandon's I think your dislike of Cat is bleeding into this theory. Just look at the timeline for Robbs birth. He couldn't be Brandon's son.
Also no one in this world is completely honorable everyone makes exceptions and does shady shit for their families and friends etc.
I think Bobby B has both Brian's and Balls. You can't offend Tywin. He has a ton of men in the city and I'm pretty sure he's closer to Kingslanding than the Stormlands. If Robert acts up then Tywin will be in that ass asap.
Rheagar wouldn't necessarily have had to annul his marriage with Elia. The Targs have been known to practice polygamy.
@@hannahbrennan2131 no, only Aegon did that successfully and he wasn't married under the faith of the seven. When his son maegor tried to do it the faith revolted. No Targs has ever practiced polygamy since the conquest. They've had paramours but their kids were all considered at the most great or noble bastards. But still just bastards.
Thank you, people always forget that Jon would be seen as a bastard either way and poses no threat to Dany (At least not in that way)
Who does, is (F)Aegon, the show just combined hin with Jon
PS only a King can get an annulment in books version. This version of High Septon can given out annulments is horse crap.
Agreed that Rob could be Brandon’s bastard. What is Rob is Brandon’s bastard and Sweet Robyn is Littlefinger’s bastard? That’s some juice?!?
But Catelyn lost her virginity to Ned
Can't blame Jaime for running down on Ned it is ironic because it's all Jaime's fault
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I have a question did deanerys free the slaves in lyse
No she hasn't even been to Lys, after she crossed the Dothraki Sea she went to Quarth, Astapor, Yunkai and then Mereen, where she has stayed ever since
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how an institution brings it's subjects to heel... 1. humiliation (loss of prestige) >>2. punishment >>3. banishment
@@workingclassclassicalguita730 absolutely no doubt about it.
@@workingclassclassicalguita730The tech giants have gone out of control with censorship and banishment these days
Crazy conspiracy theory with even paper thin evidence. Like you said @GrayArea Robb's daddy is 50-50 between Brandon and Ned, what if it is Brandon and even Ned knows it!? From the Bran chapter in Storm in which Meera tells the story of what we assume is the tourny at Harrenhal, she mentions that Ned was too shy to even ask Ashara for dance. So maybe Ned never had sex with Catelyn in what I recall being a fortnight between the wedding and before he went to the war. Thus even Ned knows that Robb isn't his son but one look at Robb and he knew Brandon was the father so for the love he had for his elder brother, he didn't say anything and raised Robb as his own (saving Catelyn from any dishonor as well) and that's why Catelyn fears about Jon's claim to Winterfell so damn much
Hi Grey, was hoping you mentioned that Jory’s father also died for Ned at the tower of joy, which makes this even sadder, and also brings back more Lyanna memories for him. BTW you and DaMon sound like you would make a nice couple. There was definitely some chemistry in your voices. Just saying...
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Give the First Law series a try! Not high fantasy, and a lot of political intrigue!
Gray reading the description of the weather while Ned is walking outside the brotel makes me think of the rain of castemere
Maybe he feels guilty about letting his wife treat Jon so bad and not at least giving him the Stark name
Hey sweet summer mother sorry being for video
Much love to you and many thanks for the videos and introduceing me to another great asoiaf reader
I love how this guest doesn't like LotR hahahaha
I think the promise was to tell him the truth about who his parents were
Great guest this week very kind
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Jon is Ned's son with Ashara IMO
Agreed. And this is coming from someone who once accepted R+L=J. It just doesn't make sense anymore. TOTGH killed it for me.
@@Yddriss yep, they changed my mind too.
I have never believe that Jon Snow is the Rhaegar Targaryen's son. Jon is a Stark, by blood line of Brandon Stark.
who is jury to ned?
Jory* Captain of his household guard. IIRC
@@Yddriss so im guessing they were close
I never thought Jaime needed to be redeemed.
What has he actually done wrong he needs redemption for?
1) Killing King Aerys whom he was sworn to protect
2) Pushing Bran out of the window
3) Maybe this scene
But we all know why he behaved how he did in this scene, Lady Gray eben discussed it. And King Aerys he only killed because a) otherwise kings landing would burn and b) he had commanded him to slay Tywin, his father - he was basically condemned to become either kingslayer or kinslayer.
As for Bran, he did not know that Bran didn't understand what he saw, and if the twincest became public Cerseis life (and possibly that of his entire family) would be in danger. But if shit goes down and you have to decide between the love of your life or the child of strangers, what would you do?
So rather than a classic redemption arc it is more about redeeming him in our eyes, about revealing what really drives him and how motivations and circumstance can shine a different light on certain actions
Jamie’s justification of his actions is bullshit. It’s like in the show when he tells Ned that stabbing Aerys felt like justice and Ned says, “is that what you tell yourself to sleep at night?”
I can’t believe how many people in the fan base accept Jamie’s explanation. He’s so full of shit. He just made the choice that would benefit him and his family the most. He didn’t care about the people of kings landing.
@@vvsJefe have you read the books? We get Jaimes own thoughts from his POV where he thinks of these events, in the show it was the bath scene between him and Brienne. I recommend checking it out again
@@traumer9622 yea I’m on my third read through. After Jamie is humbled once his hand is chopped off he just seems like he starts actually believing his own bs
@@vvsJefe It's such BS. I can't understand Jamie stans.
What is wrong with you. He pushed a child out of a window because he was caught doing incest. Wtf.
Rhaeghar was married with children and Robert is free to mingle. When you find that right woman you do change.
Rhaegar never cheated on Elia Martell. There a theory that he talk about to Elia about marry Lyanna as a second wife. Robert had bastard all over Westeros and Lyanna Stark knew he wouldn't stop even if he got marry. I think she is right look happened to Cersei.
*THE SEED IS STRONG!!!*
Ned realises that all of Roberts bas'tards look like him.
Who does Jon look like?
Does Jon look like Rhaegar?
Does Jon have any Targaryen traits ie dragon dreams etc?
NO NO NO ergo Rhaegar is not Jon's father nor is Jon a Targaryen.
Who does Jon look like?
Jon looks MORE STARK than the Stark children...
Ned Stark's children look more Tully than Stark but they all except Sansa (cuz she is not a Stark) have Stark traits ie they can warg and Bran is a green seer.
Jon's looks can be attributed to his mother Lyanna. Jon has no other influences from other bloodlines.
I've been ranting in these street for years now that I believe that Jon is born of incest. GRRM basically replays what has happened at Winterfell with the Jamie and Cersie... how much you wanna bet that the old broken keep was that place Lyanna liaised with her brother.
I think most readers belittle incest in the story as GRRM just being salacious ... but I think it is they key.
As with everything over time there have been mistakes and I think a HUGE mistake substituting:
"There is magic in kin*G*sblood" when it should be "There is magic in kin*S*blood."
This makes more sense as we see that the Targaryens rely on *kinSblood* to transfer their magic to their heirs.
(Won't go into it now but this would also explain why Craster had to produce sons born of *kinSblood* for the NightKing.)
At first, I thought Benjen was Jon's father but Ned's guilt now makes me believe that Brandon is Jon's father. This would explain his OTT reaction when he thought Lyanna was taken... which she was.
Ned's guilt is because he knows that both Jon and Rob are brothers and their father is Brandon. Ned is guilty because he lied that Jon AND Rob were his sons. What is interesting is that Bram and Rickon are Ned's only sons and both are powerful green seers (Rickon was more powerful, he did not need the 3ER to open his third eye) and Arya is a powerful warg. Which means that Ned is transferring some powerful magic to his children...
Here is what I think really happened. This is a battle that has been going on for millennia between two brothers, a bastard older brother and a "legit" younger brother. (Rhymes with Ramses story... the other Snow) The older brother is the Night King and the younger Bran the Builder. Jon and Bram are their reincarnated selves. The Night King was in a semi dead state stabbed in the heart like Jon and Bran the Builder was crippled like Bram is now.
The problem was that when the Children of the Forest stabbed OG Jon with dragon steel they hadn't accounted for him being born from magical kinSblood... therefore they inadvertently made him practically immortal. To make up for this the Children of the Forest helped Bran the Builder live multiple consecutive 2nd lives in the bodies of green seer Children and when they ran out of them they lured Blood Raven to their cave to use his green seer abilities while waiting for Bram to be born at Winterfell.
Both the OG Jon and Bran the Builder are waiting for a particular eclipse to make permanent their transfer into their new bodies. That was the clue in the show when Jon told Bran "You are man now" and Bran/Bran the Builder/3 Eyed Crow said "Not yet". He has taken "Our Bran's" body but the transfer is not yet complete.
Spoiler... the Night King was not killed... he not only got away but he also entered the weir wood network by being "shattered" under the Winterfell weir wood. How do you avoid being seen by an all seeing being like Bran/Bran the Builder/3 Eyed Crow? Easy by making sure he doesn't look for you. And why would he not? Because you were killed right in front of his eyes--- or so Bran thought.
The show totally showed how the Night King got away... remember he controls the dead. He is the opposite of Bran who can skin change into live bodies... whereas the Night King can skin change into dead bodies. The only noticeable difference is that their eyes turn blue. There was one character that keep referring to his BLUE EYES at one point he was almost killed because of his blue eyes and he was thought to be a wight.
TORMUND!!!
The Night King slipped into Tormund's freshly dead body in the midst of the chaos and now he is going north with John.
Lastly, all this about Azor Ahai is BS!!! All of it was just stories to manipulate future events. Hundreds of years of propaganda and it works. People are not believing their own eyes _trying to make Azor Ahai happen_ . Even when all the facts are put forth we still hear OH BUT IT FITS WITH THE PROPHECY!!! ... and there you have it... toss what ever facts that don't fit the prophecy.
The battle for the Iron Throne has just been a distraction for what is really happening... Notice that King Bran put a thief in charge of the treasury ... peace was never his plan... but more chaos as he awaits the constellation to become permanent.
I think the only prophecy that was real was from Mirri Maz Dur about the Stallion who mounts the earth --- which I think will be Bran 2.0
The Night King is the "good" person because he is Jon and Jon is a good person. He has had to do horrible things to that feed into the propaganda against him... but the tide has turned.
What do you mean by saying Sansa is not Stark I understand the confusing around Who is Rob father but Sansa?!!
Nah
We see many times in the books that the seed is strong does not always hold up, it is only true for Baratheon
@@mekasa6721 Sansa is not a Stark it was also foreshadowed in the 1st episode. All the Starks were in the court yard except Sansa. Sansa is the only one who could not warg her dire wolff. My guess is that she is Little Finger's daughter. Little Finger's sigil is of a bird that has the habit of laying its eggs in unsuspecting foster nest and having these birds raise its fledgling.
Then there is the story of Bael the Bard--- Bael...ish get it? Sansa has the same temperament and motivations as LF.
Rob's father is most likely Brandon Stark-
@@traumer9622 Not true. In fact Gray has a great video on this.