I'm a casual fan too and I do not understand this take. 1. They've improved from 32 to 41 wins the last 3 seasons. 74 to 91 points. Not exactly vaulting up the standings, but at least they're not a laughingstock anymore. Not sure why that's acceptable in a hockey-crazed market like Detroit. 2. Other than Larkin, Raymond, DeBrincat, and Seider, how much of that improvement has come from players who will be contributors here for long? The team is full of Copps, Perrons, Holls, Chiarots, Sprongs, Comphers, etc. who are middling players that are entering the downswing of their careers. The growth hasn't exactly been organic. 3. Yzerman's also obsessed with drafting 200-foot two-way players which is all well and good, but the league has changed recently. Kasper and Danielson are probably going to be good pros, but it's totally reasonable to be concerned whether the Wings have the firepower in the farm system to keep up. It's not totally his fault given the Wings have gotten shafted in the Draft Lottery, but it doesn't change the fact that the Wings don't really have a superstar on this team at any position, or anyone who projects to be that kind of player.
Really? Ken Holland was seen as one of the BEST GMs in Hockey, until he started giving out 10-year contracts and lost his talent-judging capability. Yzerman is the EXACT opposite, happy to deliver the mediocrity that Chris "trust-fund" Illitch DEMANDS.
Yzerman is building a team for the playoffs. Platoon at goalie and see who’s hot. Both have shown to be good. Wings need more men up front, guys that will go into the corners and play defensively. Look at Tampa and now look at Florida. Not flashy, a couple high end players and lots of guys that have bought into the system, playing tough.
i think next year us a downgrade from this year, but i think yzerman is doing just about as good as anyone can so far. i think he should have been buyers at the deadline this year, but we would be at the same place right now anyways, just would have been cool to actually make the playoffs this year
This is liars poker, NHL style, but SY is playing Texas hold 'em. Relax until you see the river card. Defensemen are the problem, not the goalies. Edmonton is in game 7 for the cup with Skinner and Pickard!!!! Both EDM and DET had a .902 SV%. So don't tell me that a healthy Husso and Lyon aren't good enough.
They didnt win draft lottery as usual but they drafted good kids and still havent got the team built. Good thing he has left team in a good cap position
I guess people just like to complain and have something to talk about. WHen you look at how many years it took the WIngs to become irrelevant, even though they had the playoff streak intact, it will take more years to bring the team back when doing it through the draft. WHen you get in a hurry you start trading away long term prospects and long term success for short term success. Making the playoff is not the goal. Holland kept the streatk alive, but for years didn't have a team with any chance of a long playoff run or winning the cup. I am happy to wait 3 to 5 more years before getting too concerned about the Wings. I like what he says about free agents. They are not good enough to make a playoff run next year so why spend a lot of money on a big contract just to try and make the playoffs when you have no chance of winning anything. I think this whole conversation is just the udual sports talk. WHo cares if Kane walks out the door. He is not the future and spending too much money on hism would be a mistake. If Yzerman can get Kane at a reasonalble number then great and if not he has the courage to let him go. It would be idiotic of Yzerman to say they will make the playoff as he doesn't know. I believe he will make big moves at a time when he believes that have a chance for a deep playoff run and until then .... stay the course.
Kenny is the only one whose right on this, Stevie said a bunch of nothing. Same as he's always done. They've gotten better every year, assets are managed well, and team is getting younger, he's fine as of now, ask me halfway through next season when we see what his picks became and I'll let you know.
As he will probably do this year as well, Yzerman is passing up on explosive offensive talent in the draft for the "safe" 200 foot player. A team full of those types of players won't go anywhere. You absolutely need stars. Having said that, really, our only and best hope is that someone breaks out at the NHL level like Danielson, Buchelnikov, ASP, Kasper or Mazur and that they don't just remain steady but not spectacular. One big name free agent who can score would do wonders for this team in the meantime.
Soooo, this team doesn't need to go to the playoffs until they can absolutely take the cup?..that's stupid. He's lost me...wake me up in 10 years when the 15 year plan comes to fruition. My first thought when he was hired was "great, it's going to be a genuine shitshow if this absolute legend of the team doesn't work out" and I think we're almost there
Haven't they improved every year since he took over? Also, weren't fans pissed at the Redwings because they made the playoffs every year but had no chance at winning the cup?
Christopher Ilitch obviously told Yzerman he wanted to have a competitive team while rebuilding to sell tickets.. How else would they be able to get a garbage company to sponsor them and put that garbage patch on their jersey? And that way instead of drafting top five we draft 15... That way instead of drafting the next McDavid you draft the next Dylan Larkin just like last year when we got Nate Danielson and Chicago got Bedard.. Need to go all in now or actually commit to a proper rebuild. They are trying to have it both ways and it just doesn't work.
The red wings were one of the worst teams in the league from 2018-2022 and literally one of the worst teams of all time in 2020. They fell in the draft all of the those years. If you don’t don’t know what you’re talking about don’t say anything at all.
@@rrundle4 ya I know what I'm talking about. They shouldn't of signed all these mid players the last few years and continued the hard tank until they got a franchise player.
@@Tyler-ml6ip signing vets help with player development. What you want the wings to do is become the Buffalo sabres and tank for a millennium and have it all amount to nothing.
@@rrundle4 buffalo is in a much better position than Detroit. Red Wings only had two decent young players on the roster last year with Seider and Raymond and neither is a franchise player. They were one of the oldest teams in the league. Awful rebuild so far and worse teams are going to be drafting higher and getting better players in the draft. Yzerplan is failing.
When you have a cheap-assed owner who's been your buddy for 40 years, no sense of urgency needed on your part. Yzerman will have to walk away from this job, say in 2029-2030, when he turns 65 and we are STILL in a rebuild, before trust-fund Chris would EVER THINK of firing him. Even he will be ashamed at a 10+ year rebuild on his resume.
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Im a casual hockey fan but when I look at their record, all i see is year to year improvement. What is the problem?
I'm a casual fan too and I do not understand this take.
1. They've improved from 32 to 41 wins the last 3 seasons. 74 to 91 points. Not exactly vaulting up the standings, but at least they're not a laughingstock anymore. Not sure why that's acceptable in a hockey-crazed market like Detroit.
2. Other than Larkin, Raymond, DeBrincat, and Seider, how much of that improvement has come from players who will be contributors here for long? The team is full of Copps, Perrons, Holls, Chiarots, Sprongs, Comphers, etc. who are middling players that are entering the downswing of their careers. The growth hasn't exactly been organic.
3. Yzerman's also obsessed with drafting 200-foot two-way players which is all well and good, but the league has changed recently. Kasper and Danielson are probably going to be good pros, but it's totally reasonable to be concerned whether the Wings have the firepower in the farm system to keep up. It's not totally his fault given the Wings have gotten shafted in the Draft Lottery, but it doesn't change the fact that the Wings don't really have a superstar on this team at any position, or anyone who projects to be that kind of player.
Stevie has always lead behind close doors like a animal.. he has never been a public drama guy. These guys don't know anything.
Really? Ken Holland was seen as one of the BEST GMs in Hockey, until he started giving out 10-year contracts and lost his talent-judging capability. Yzerman is the EXACT opposite, happy to deliver the mediocrity that Chris "trust-fund" Illitch DEMANDS.
@@chrisputnam9809 ... Just keep watching.
Yzerman is building a team for the playoffs. Platoon at goalie and see who’s hot. Both have shown to be good. Wings need more men up front, guys that will go into the corners and play defensively. Look at Tampa and now look at Florida. Not flashy, a couple high end players and lots of guys that have bought into the system, playing tough.
WHERE are the "high-end" players? I'm talking Connor McDavid/Nate McKinnon/Tzachuk-type players. We already have a few of the next-level guys.
He hasn't proven he is building anything yet. They arent a tough team, they arent a finesse team, They dont play hard. They are the Detroit Pistons.
@@chrisputnam9809you just named two first overall picks and a guy who didn’t hit 100 points till his 6th season in the nhl.
@@markp8581The Pistons lost 29 games in a row and won a total of 14 games lmao
@@markp8581they aren't good but they are far from being the pistons
Yes I believe in Yzerman!
Why can’t they play the actual Yzerman audio on videos? Kinda ruins it a bit…
In Yzerman I trust
Needs: Big Winger and Defenseman, Get more speed on the outside.
i think next year us a downgrade from this year, but i think yzerman is doing just about as good as anyone can so far. i think he should have been buyers at the deadline this year, but we would be at the same place right now anyways, just would have been cool to actually make the playoffs this year
Absolutley 100% yes i do
This is liars poker, NHL style, but SY is playing Texas hold 'em. Relax until you see the river card. Defensemen are the problem, not the goalies. Edmonton is in game 7 for the cup with Skinner and Pickard!!!! Both EDM and DET had a .902 SV%. So don't tell me that a healthy Husso and Lyon aren't good enough.
Man get out of here with that. How many goals for did the oilers have vs the wings. Plus look at their goals against
No close son
So nice to see Mr. Valenti go on one of his twice yearly rants, where he pretends to know something about hockey.
If they don’t put at least four rookies on the roster next season, I’d think the rebuilt is falling behind and I’d lose my faith in Yzerman.
They didnt win draft lottery as usual but they drafted good kids and still havent got the team built. Good thing he has left team in a good cap position
Stevie Y presser is always an exercise of planned ambiguity- - always yes, but maybe no
I guess people just like to complain and have something to talk about. WHen you look at how many years it took the WIngs to become irrelevant, even though they had the playoff streak intact, it will take more years to bring the team back when doing it through the draft. WHen you get in a hurry you start trading away long term prospects and long term success for short term success. Making the playoff is not the goal. Holland kept the streatk alive, but for years didn't have a team with any chance of a long playoff run or winning the cup. I am happy to wait 3 to 5 more years before getting too concerned about the Wings. I like what he says about free agents. They are not good enough to make a playoff run next year so why spend a lot of money on a big contract just to try and make the playoffs when you have no chance of winning anything. I think this whole conversation is just the udual sports talk. WHo cares if Kane walks out the door. He is not the future and spending too much money on hism would be a mistake. If Yzerman can get Kane at a reasonalble number then great and if not he has the courage to let him go. It would be idiotic of Yzerman to say they will make the playoff as he doesn't know. I believe he will make big moves at a time when he believes that have a chance for a deep playoff run and until then .... stay the course.
Kenny is the only one whose right on this, Stevie said a bunch of nothing. Same as he's always done. They've gotten better every year, assets are managed well, and team is getting younger, he's fine as of now, ask me halfway through next season when we see what his picks became and I'll let you know.
These two clowns have no idea how the nhl works.
As he will probably do this year as well, Yzerman is passing up on explosive offensive talent in the draft for the "safe" 200 foot player. A team full of those types of players won't go anywhere. You absolutely need stars. Having said that, really, our only and best hope is that someone breaks out at the NHL level like Danielson, Buchelnikov, ASP, Kasper or Mazur and that they don't just remain steady but not spectacular. One big name free agent who can score would do wonders for this team in the meantime.
Only get stars in the top 3. That's why we have none
@@scottritcey5166not always true
@@scottritcey5166I suggest you look up hockey reference and look up points totals from each draft
@@davidkruse4030 most times it is
Soooo, this team doesn't need to go to the playoffs until they can absolutely take the cup?..that's stupid. He's lost me...wake me up in 10 years when the 15 year plan comes to fruition. My first thought when he was hired was "great, it's going to be a genuine shitshow if this absolute legend of the team doesn't work out" and I think we're almost there
He literally said at the end of the presser that he wants to compete for a playoff spot this year, but the cup window is definitely in the future
Haven't they improved every year since he took over?
Also, weren't fans pissed at the Redwings because they made the playoffs every year but had no chance at winning the cup?
Christopher Ilitch obviously told Yzerman he wanted to have a competitive team while rebuilding to sell tickets.. How else would they be able to get a garbage company to sponsor them and put that garbage patch on their jersey? And that way instead of drafting top five we draft 15... That way instead of drafting the next McDavid you draft the next Dylan Larkin just like last year when we got Nate Danielson and Chicago got Bedard.. Need to go all in now or actually commit to a proper rebuild. They are trying to have it both ways and it just doesn't work.
The red wings were one of the worst teams in the league from 2018-2022 and literally one of the worst teams of all time in 2020. They fell in the draft all of the those years. If you don’t don’t know what you’re talking about don’t say anything at all.
@@rrundle4 ya I know what I'm talking about. They shouldn't of signed all these mid players the last few years and continued the hard tank until they got a franchise player.
@@Tyler-ml6ip signing vets help with player development. What you want the wings to do is become the Buffalo sabres and tank for a millennium and have it all amount to nothing.
@@rrundle4 buffalo is in a much better position than Detroit. Red Wings only had two decent young players on the roster last year with Seider and Raymond and neither is a franchise player. They were one of the oldest teams in the league. Awful rebuild so far and worse teams are going to be drafting higher and getting better players in the draft. Yzerplan is failing.
Wants a dynasty. Thats impossible in todays NHL
Yzerman should of been gone 2 years ago. If they had a real owner he would of been gone.
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Hahahaha you are so stupid
Sorry dude...just a hater with nothing constructive. Tell us what you would do
When you have a cheap-assed owner who's been your buddy for 40 years, no sense of urgency needed on your part. Yzerman will have to walk away from this job, say in 2029-2030, when he turns 65 and we are STILL in a rebuild, before trust-fund Chris would EVER THINK of firing him. Even he will be ashamed at a 10+ year rebuild on his resume.
That's the thing, he shows no urgency or passion to contend, just goes along at a snail's pace about "the future".