NHL's Dislike of Capfriendly Continues a Pattern for the League
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2024
- Fans are upset that a great resource has been bought and is about to go dark. The reality is, the NHL is fine with fans not having that information and probably would be fine with media not having it either.
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The NHL is a perfect example of tripping over dollars to pick up pennies
That explains Bettman to the tee.
Pennywise I call them, but yes.
@@biffstrong1079 Yup pennywise, dollar stupid
Which is why I gave the homeless guy 4 pennies one time because that’s all I had at the time.
@@kylecmurphy Yes definitely, Bettman totally hasn't been the reason the NHL has grown as much as it has since '93 and why the league is making billions each year.
How dare NHL fans want to intimately interact with the product
The NHL drags their feet to promote the sport
It's okay if it's gambling because then they make money.
Look back at history. The sport is awsome but the big boys are content being #5 in popularity’. The word passive is an understatement for this league. I enjoyed the WHA back in the day.
Lol
@@Bob-wy6zvconservative and passive get very intermingled, maybe intertwined, but leagues with huge popularity also have alot of issues too. Better to build it slower and right.
Best sport, worst league.
Best sport, worst brand*
110%, it really is.
At least the leagues aren’t as corrupt as soccer. Trust me it’s not the worst league
Football/soccer is way worse
All of the leagues are this way, they just hide it better than the NHL
NHL: "We don't want you to know anything about salaries and the cap."
Also NHL: *holds press conference in which they specifically announce salary cap and floor*
Yes, this is a theory that Shannon and many other people have. It's quite possible the league just got blindsided by this like the rest of us did. Who knows?
In a hard cap league, transparency is a must. The accountability and access for reporters to do their jobs is a must. Hiding that information from the public domain (and its paying customers) is ludicrous to me.
it's not hidden, you can easily find this data on other sites.
@@danielfreeman8725 right, my comment is to the point of Shannon's video (of the NHL not wanting that out there at all)
@@danielfreeman8725 .... 🙄--[man that Daniel is stupid]
way to miss the point
Are you discounting Shannon's feelings in favour of your logical, and well-considered analysis? How dare you!
Transparency and accountability? I don't think the NHL cares about that. Same league that has no idea what to do when it comes to the Department of player safety. Also, allowing an official like Wes McCauley to officiate games with Sheldon Keefe, some who testified in court against his brother in law.
Capgeek ended because it's creator died. Very sad...
And NHL Numbers before it 😢
On top of that he took all of his site algorithms and tools with him why it wasn't just recreated.
You mean to tell me that fans want transparency and information about the sport they love. What a radical blasphemous concept that the NHL had to deal with. These leagues need to get with the times.
"The times" being post-1950s. These damn kids today, with their dungarees and long hair and loud music and the Internet!
IMO, if any team is receiving government support, whether that's in the form of stadium funding or tax breaks, then their financials need to be public. They shouldn't get public money if we don’t know where it's going.
Good point!
💯Was going to type the same thing.
NHL basically a good ol boys club….they seriously don’t know how to market their product, or just don’t care which is why they aren’t as successful as they could be
Hockey is an expensive sport, so I do not fully blame Bettman or the league for this. Even middle class families do not want to pony up for all the equipment and relentless travel that goes with it. I really do not know why people have a problem with it being a niche sport. Still successful
Biz. The disruptor the NHL needed.
The betting sites will pushback because they need cap data for setting odds.
They can buy the data from the Caps!
While we all become gambling zombies.
Betting sites won’t have a say. Just like they can’t affect officiating for the most even playing field.
The sportsbooks will get some kind of filtered access to cap data from the league - for a price...
Reminds me of how Nintendo loves shutting down ROMs for games they made but refuse to sell. You can admire the game, but you can't play the game.
Because if you're playing old Nintendo games, you're not buying (as many) new ones.
Games are best played on original hardware anyway but I do see good reason for roms to exist as well because we don't need a situation where a hoarder can hoard all the copies of a rare game and keep it from everyone
@@Alex-js5lg yeah, I mean, as someone who only plays a handful of games, I'm not buying any new Nintendo games. I haven't bought a nintendo, or any console game, since 2012. Emulation for games like F-Zero that they will never revive and games like Project M should be allowed to exist imo. Especially when Nintendo does not release suitable substitutes (Mario kart 8 and smash ultimate are not good substitutes at all)
To the gatekeeping point,
A good amount of people in the reddit game thread asked why it was still 4 on 4 after edmonton scored. They just got ripped apart for asking. Shout out to the people that didn't make fun of the ones asking.
Reddit is a cesspool
At the end of the day , Cap Friendly is a privately owned entity that owes nothing to no one. The NHL should establish it's own version of Cap Friendly, simply because it helps with fan interaction and independent content creators (like Shannon) to provide outreach to existing and potentially new fans .
It's the most interesting part of every EA hockey game.
I haven’t played an actual game in nhl for years but I play franchise/gm mode weekly
The only interesting part
If only the menus weren’t so bad. I played 09-13 all the time but at some point they changed the whole interface to be like Madden and it’s fucking garbage
Scouting the refs is next. You know they really hate that one.
this league is an absolute joke when it comes to actually trying to grow the game and engage with fans.
For a league that's technically a "not for profit" organization, "Not-for-profit corporations must disclose its financials to the public in Canada" so the league saying anything is proprietary is an absolute joke.
Fairly certain the NHL is not a not-for-profit
@@JD200_it is somehow it’s a 501c 6 tax exempt not for profit I don’t know how that’s legal considering they generate billions of dollars in revenue yearly
@@jameson1239 wowwww learned something new tn. Thanks dawg!
so what your saying is I need to start building another site so i get an offer I can't refuse lol
I'm going to miss Cap Friendly. I really hate that the NHL just wants the fans to pay all the bills and keep their thoughts to themselves. They treat their fans as a necessary evil to be endured. I was priced out of attending live games years ago, (my apologies to the NHL. I know I should get a 2nd job to help pay your salaries), but now, I will never again spend on any licensed merchandise as my own little protest over this latest slap in the face by the league to the fans.
There are other websites with the same info. And as popular as cap friendly was, don't be surprised to see several spring up soon.
@9:50 with your point about players not knowing what everyone else was making- you're exactly right. There's a famous story where Gordie Howe was being told by Bruce Norris/Jack Adams that because he was the top player in the league, he was getting top dollar. It wasn't until he started talking to defenseman Bobby Braun where Bobby guessed Gordie's contract amount ($49,500), and then Gordie was PO'd when he learned that Bobby was making $67,000. So even back then they tried to wring guys out for all they were worth & gaslit them to believing that they were making top dollar.
How does the NHL expect to grow the game when they take away resources for fans
Believe me, 99% of fans don't give a flying fatoo.
@@floxy20 Source?
Probably the same source that the op ised to make his statement. @@mokumboi19
@@mokumboi19 You can probably just check the traffic capfriendly gets. Most people watch the game if it's on, or are casual fans if you like the term. And casual fans don't really care about cap sapce. They might be shouting LTIR on social media, but I bet you most of them don't even know what that means. Sure you can classify my response into "trust me bro" category. But many a time you don't need hard evidence, common sense and logic is enough for you to make a right judgement on most stuffs happening in life, including this topic.
@@jkliao6486 Uhh no. It's just a "trust me, bro" based on exactly nothing. That's neither common sense nor logic. It's just pulling an uneducated guess out of thin air. CapFriendly gets a ton of engagement.
This is a detriment to other front offices in the league. Sports radio in Edmonton had an interview with a current GM revealed that current and past GMs use these third party sites along with their own internal information. Big win for the Caps, big loss for the rest of the leagues.
CF isn't the only third party site.
If that is the case, it is an alarm to all other teams who doesn't have a cap analysis tool they develop themselves. If you are relying on third party tools for a foundational part of the hockey operation within your organization, you are doing sth extremely wrong. And by that I didn't mean hockey team should set up their own grid to generate electricity or that, essentials don't count.
This solves the cap circumventing problem. Just keep the fans in the dark. NHL doesn't know about puckpedia 😂 welfare capfriendly but it works
Excellent and honest take on what's going on.
Good to see Shannon's wholesome/fair-minded delivery still doesn't spare NHL brass from some scathing words.
I have the solution for the NHL owners: Buy the entire Internet plus every social media platform.
I'm an Uber massive stats nerd and I'll just come out and say it, if the NHL restricted things to the point where all there was to do is watch the game I'd just stop watching hockey. I know casual fans will say that when there team does something dumb, but I'm not just an Avs or Sens fan, but a massive hockey fan in general, and unfortunately it just wouldn't be worth my time anymore.
Same here.
This is ridiculous!
Heard on another video the guy that ran Capgeek passed away. Why it no longer a thing I believe.
This is accurate unfortunately
Yea he was sick
How long before someone starts the rumor his death was another of Bettman’s “fixes?”
Nhl don't worry about our finances next breath here 50 ads on how you can gamble yours away...
i hate to break it to the nhl but as long as there are fans this will never go away
As it is always in the internet, one page dies, several new pages start. Don't think it is possible to hide these information forever...
They are still living and thinking in the paper age...
And if fans didnt have access,theyd be even more pissed off as to why their team isnt doing something!
Gordie how was being told by the Red Wings that he was the highest paid player in the league...turns out he wasn't even the highest paid Red Wings player...that was a big reason for his calling it quits...which opened the door to Huston (WHA) giving him a contract.
"Here's a lump some of money. Stop making videos."
"And my answer to that would be no"
😂😂😂 Shannon with the smoothe transition too. "But at any rate"
😂😂😂 LOVE IT
We have already started a new "Cap Friendly" stay patient! It's the software they are after, but it's not a protected property
anyone can do what they did, people just don't understand how
Spotrac and some other websites also have those infos but not as user friendly as Capfriendly. Basically it is just a annoyance purchase to those fans that cares about cap room.
Will it have a Trade Machine?
This is why people who like hockey and nhl should own the teams and not people who only care about money
That would be good for maybe a couple years but the fans will turn in to the ones that only care about the money.
The people that care about money keep the league running
then there would be no money to pay the players, coaches, doctors, business managers, etc. The NHL would go the way of Fan Controlled Football.
Why doesn't the NHLPA build its own CapFriendly site for the public? Does this make too much sense? For the record, the players like the money too. They always complain about a "home team discount."
8:21 I'm of course biased but I still maintain Tom Wilson's hit on Oskar Sundqvist had minimal head contact. The head certainly wasn't the main point of contact. That 20 game suspension was an overreaction. It was almost certainly the whiplash that caused the concussion.
The NHL can’t get out of their own way.
They don't actually care about improving the game and the experience for fans. They just care about money. As simple as that. Sad.
I’m new to hockey and love learning more of the ins and out of the business from you. Thank you for all you do!
At some point in the future, the NHL will just give out generic information about contracts. It will be Joe Bob signed for 3 years. No actual breakdown of the numbers. It will be like it is with injuries. Upper body/lower body.
Insane!
The Cap Friendly situation is why small private enterprise (e.g., Cap Friendly) is always going to outdo large, often bureaucratic organizations (e.g., NHL). Given its popularity and utility, look for a VC to fund a "new" Cap Friendly. I am sure one of them already has a student taking images of every page.
losing Capfriendly is going to kill my interest in the EA nhl game. I use it alot to help edit my rosters, track trades and so much else--without it i think this is my last year buying the game.
capfriendly isn't the only cap site. WHY ARE PEOPLE ACTING LIKE THIS INFORMATION IS NOW SECRET??
@@danielfreeman8725Other sites aren’t as accurate and have missing data
The feature i liked the most was the depth chart. It was up to date and made it easier to watch games
NHL also doesn't like revenue sharing data to be public cause fans from wealthier markets might realize they're being laughed at completely with the ridiculous prices they pay.
The NHL needs to understand in the age of fantasy sports having a site like Capfriendly was highly successful and brought fans a lot of joy. They are being very short sighted in this regards.
Man I love this guy! Always with content that's got a finger on the pulse of the people
Back in the 6 team NHL , 2 of the 6 teams were owned by the same family.
10:35 The reason why HR departments everywhere and anywhere doesn’t want you to discuss and be open about your salaries.
I just noticed the framed photo of Gary Bettman you put in the background. too funny hahahaha
Shannon, I remember when you had like 2000 subs. You haven't changed a bit (i still hear the camera beep haha...love it!)
You're honest to a fault, and Corporations HATE that.
If they come for the Hockey Guy, there will be blood.
Wow, that's so fvcked up. If we can't discuss contract values at the games, then we are going to complain more about $18 beers at Canes games.
There's definitely a labor argument here too. Salary transparency raises salaries in every industry.
Cap Friendly was a tool spoon fed by player agents...
I'm pretty confident all of the teams have their own internal "CapFriendly" databases.
They also rank amateur and pro players very regularly for trade purposes and since the contracts are filed with the league, the terms will be known.
Since the Caps bought the site and not the NHL, this leads me to think that this is an aqui-hire (buy a company to get a person).
Name any other North American League that would do something this stupid. MLB and NBA all allow this information to fans because it helps you follow along with the front office on how teams are constructed.
THG, great history lesson and look back on how the league handles their business. We all love the NHL but it's healthy to understand some of their operations tactics, negative practices, etc. I'll miss Cap Friendly. I used it alot!
What is each teams’ cap maximum? This never talked about. Or is it cap hit plus cap space?
This is the hockey guy, true Canadian, at his most pissed.
Is there anything to support the feeling that the NHL doesn't want "fans all up in their finances"?
Your gig is safe Shannon. The NHL is far from buying RUclips. 😜
Fantastic rundown and discussion on these issues.
Well Done!
The armchair GM part of it is the best part about capfriendly lol. But yeah, I get it why the website will go dark, sucks for us.
It's hard to fault the NHL for ignoring CTE when you consider that everytime a player hit someone in the head more than half the league says "The NHL is soft". They get the league they want. The Riley and Trouba things really drove that home. No one in the NHL really cares about CTE when it's someone on their team dishing it out, and former players with CTE don't care about new dudes getting CTE either.
How long before one of the big sports betting companies buys or builds something like this?
Puckpedia!?
And i heard the Caps arent letting it go dark,they are gonna charge!
That's even worse.
Good luck since they would be selling other teams' info. I can't see the NHL allowing that.
you don’t know shit
@@TheHockeyGuy didn't say it would happen, but I did see an article about that
@@smadas4192 sounds like gobbledygook from an opinion page
You would add so much value to Sportsnet, ESPN, TNT, any of those networks, even on a part time basis. Your unbiased opinions on everything are amazing and it is apparent that you know more than most of the non ex-player analysts.
THG... does yhe purchase include the NBA version Salary Swish?
Its things like this why the NHL will always be last in North America
I have 2 issues with this.
First, to keep revenues up and build lifelong fans, you want to keep consumers constantly engaged, especially during the off-season. Draft speculation, free agency, and armchair GMing is a great way to do this. The NHL doesn't pay a dime but benefits from sites like CapFriendly. Its kinda dumb.
Second, in the US (it's largest market), the NHL is registered as a 501(c)3 non-profit organization. There's an inherent expectation of financial transparency with non-profits. Makes me wonder what the NHL is trying to hide.
Hey Shannon. I bought a few domains and I am looking into the backend effort to build a replacement site. I think the biggest hurdle is getting the insider information. Any tips or suggestions would be helpful.
Just a thought but how concerned is the NHL about this actually?
Are they gonna force EA to remove GM Mode from the game because we see the cap and the contracts of players on it?
(I know the games aren't as in depth for cap, this is for sake of argument)
I love CapFriendly, Puckpedia’s interface isn’t as good but it’ll have to do
Capfriendly, is nothing more than a database. I mean, how hard is it to migrate that data over to a new website? Not very. The NHL trying to be Nintendo going after rom sites. You shut one down, 15 more could easily pop up and take its place.
The only way to kill Capfriendly, and sites like it, is to never reveal contracts to the public. Full stop. 🤷♂
Personally, I feel for the extortionate prices they charge for tickets and venue goodies, they should not only leave Capfriendly alone, they should issue every person who attends a game, the full roster salary breakdown, so they can see what their disgusting prices are funding.
NHL continues to be a garbage league, run by garbage people. Been that way for 40 years, and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Why does the NHL care if fans know salaries
I remember when they finally made salary information public. It was a big deal. In the end it did end up bringing salaries up (justifiably) and it also made the league much bigger. It was a rinky dink thing back then, and a lot of the execs still have that mentality.
I picked up an old book at a library sale called Net Worth (can't recall the author) that was about the early days and the formation of the player's association. The owners had it all over the players back then. Interesting read.
As someone that is slowly shying away from the NHL, I still used CapFriendly all the time. Trackers like estimating how tax impacts players and comparing based on market was nice to see. As far as I'm concerned, the league doesn't want me to watch games, dive into players, teams, and stats, be interested in their video game, or care about the outcome of games when the rule book becomes subjective.
Is there any sports league that runs any websites where anyone can view details of every player contract and evety salary move by its teams?
If teams don’t want this info out; how website figure it out?
The thing is having access to contracts etc is basically like having the payroll for urr local company.
Bettman is unfortunately the prime example of the greedy Shylock stereotype and seems to love being just that. I bet his office thermostat is set at 85 in the summer.
You act real surprised when the next commissioner is the same as Gary.
@@csolivais1979 I'll give it a shot. I will probably fail
There will be another site pop up the day after the sale is finalized.
You are quickly convincing me that I need to make a website documenting and displaying to the public this information in hopes that I could be next in line after puckpedia for a buy out. How long we thinking 10 years tops? I wouldn't mind retiring at that point.
I specifically find the trade clause aspect of contracts of import when I want to keep or get rid of players with large contracts.
I see THG is also glad Jon Stewart is back
NHL is probably more primarily concerned about players & agents getting this info, & using it to their advantage in contract negotiations. League’s probably not thrilled about fans getting the info, but that’s not why they wanted CapFriendly shut down.
Yeah, it's not like new contacts are announced publicly or anything
A fabulous show ,discovered you right before the playoffs I can't get enough keep up the fantastic work
I gotta to think that how mouth guards(crewing on them) and helmets(losse helment straps) being used have significant impact on any lawsuits CTE. Is it fault of the players for not wear equipment correct or the league for not enforcing wearing helmets correctly
The equipment helps avoid more acute types of brain trauma from the head being directly hit, but types of damage underlying CTE are caused more by the whiplash-type motions Shannon mentioned; sudden acceleration/decelerations motions that are a result of hits and such. Helmets don’t prevent the brain from impacting or grating on the skull, or the shearing forces of an impact from injuring brain cell axons.
1. NHLPA and players' agents association kinda should run its own CapFriendly.
2. Owners can't have it both ways. Either you have a salary cap, or you can keep everything secret.
This is something that the NFL is doing well and white that support keeps growing so well. They are empowering their creators because they know that having traction in the algorithm means everything in the days of social media. Having more people talk about your sport on social media and sharing the highlights in those posts going viral is only good for League.
Hey man I don’t know if you’ll read this since vid is 2 days old but this is some of your best work, keep it up 👏🙌
Does this mean we won't know the full details for Free agency & trade deadline? It's like they don't want us to know if its a good trade or a bad trade by contract value
5:55 THG was watching Jon Stewart wasn't he? Good man.
Immediately after I heard him say that I scrolled to the comments and searched for "Jon Stewart."
Part of the fun of sports is sites like RealGM, making trades, for some fantasy leagues. Seems crazy to want less interest. I get annoyed that players no trade cities aren’t public.
Sports should be for the fans by the fans. Leagues need to realize that passion from the fans is more important than the dollars they are worth. In Germany, all soccer/football teams are required to be fan-owned. This places fans over profits. When you see the culture and passion in Germany it makes me wonder what would be possible in North America if fans were considered fans and not consumers. In some soccer teams in MLS you see this but rarely. As a fan who will live and die for my team, the NHL's corporate culture really upsets me and I hope we as fans can push for a change.
Did you know that the NWSL doesn't even publish player salaries? When Sophia Smith resigned this year with the Portland Thorns, none of the media was actually able to report what the amount of salary that Smith receives is, but they could reliably report that she was the highest paid NWSL player ever.
That's just unbelievable to me, I was astonished when I learned that.
The NHL is the only major sports league that simultaneously wants to grow their product while having the fans that represent that growth engage with their product at the absolute bare minimum depth possible. Just enough to fork over as much hard-earned cash as possible, and no further.
So the NHL doesn't want to fans to know/care of teams financial situation. Easy - just get rid of the salary cap and we will go back to not caring about salary structures.
The NHL created this "problem" for themselves.
Oh, fans will still care, just in a different way. We'd be back to a few teams having total salaries much higher than others.
I've watched more hockey because of ya, THG!
When I first got really into hockey around 4 years ago, while in NFL withdrawal, your channel was _invaluable_ to learning the league and the finer points of the game.
If you look towards
I get that the league is a different breed, but I still disagree with your assessment of their assessment of your value to them-look at the NFL and Brett Kollmann. There would have to be some absolute smooth-brains in charge of the league to not realize your value. They could *never* brew up a channel that replaced yours. I get that he’s unbiased and gives criticism where it’s due, which they wouldn’t love, but still.
Whether the NHL and owners would like to be private about compensation is besides the point… from the buildings they play in, the merchandise and tickets they sell… it is very much a PUBLIC business…
My bottomline; don’t want to disclose salaries? PAY FOR YOUR OWN ARENA.
Mario also said it best decades ago regarding the NHL: Garage League.