Hey Blind Wave, big fan here. I’m just wondering if you guys are going to react to the watchmen tv show because trust me, it’s so so so good. If you guys do then that would be amazing
"You see doctor, God didn't kill that little girl. Fate didn't butcher her and destiny didn't feed her to the dogs. If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew, God doesn't make the world this way .... we do."
that disheartening albeit well-written and expertly acted speech proved that no matter how much his horrific childhood and experiences operating as a "hero" made him _cynical/disillusioned,_ at his core, Rorschach still believed in God while at the same time also believing _He doesn't give a sh!t_
I like this part of the movie, i remember it everytime i hear someone saying that god doesnt exist because there is a lot of evil shit going on the world. I always say that the cause of bad things is other people, we have free will and some decide to be bad.
The basic cosmological correction all believers have to learn, that should destroy monotheistic conservatism. It should be obvious, since it's fully Biblical, that the way the world is results from sin, and is not God's will, but conservatism dies hard, for people who benefit from the way the world is.
Me: watching people watch people watch the watchmen watching people Dr. Manhattan: watching me watch people watch people watch the watchmen watch people while being watched by an ever infinit loop of watchers watching in other dimensions
It's funny that Jeffery Dean Morgan almost turned down The Comedian because he thought he got killed in the first scene, but then he played Thomas Wayne in BvS
When you are comfortable you can afford to pick and choose, but when you have bills to pay you take whatever you can get. JDM is a great actor but he isn't an A-lister and his paychecks are usually in the five figure range and if you have a million dollar house in LA you take whatever gigs come your way.
Alan Moore doesn't just hate adaptations of his work. He even dislikes some of his own stuff. A textbook example of the artist who is never pleased with their own work.
@@lonewolf3314 he sold the rights. they don't need his consent. him selling the rights ultimately is permanent consent. also he wouldn't approve ANY adaptation of his work. it could be a perfect adaption and he probably still wouldn't approve. i'm pretty sure hes never even seen this movie anyway.
@@angelo4726 I think that was The Comedian’s point; Super Powers, Weapons, Technological Superiority, they are all threats to humanity’s survival, if humans stop caring for each other or hand over all responsibility to a “strong” leader. It’s happened before.
FUN FACT: Young Rorschach is played by Eli Snyder, Zack Snyder's son, who is now also on his way to become a movie director. He's also the one who directed Cyborg's football scene in Justice League.
It's not underrated, it's mostly overrated (though I hate the overrated/underrated overuse). You just have to read the comments xd A lot of people say it's a masterpiece, which is not. It's a pretty good movie, mainly because of Hayter's script and good visuals, but Snyder doesn't know how to adapt a comic book or a character without trying to be edgy. Without Hayter this movie would've probably sucked.
@@felipeaquitral well that's the point... Not addapt the character to how it exactly is in the comic as we have seen that over and over again.... To give us something new en entertaining U can hold ur opinion but ur very very wrong. And zacks loves to use real life morals/ideologies into the movies too make u think! Not like the disney/Marvel movies who are plain and simple just made to entertain.
This is literally my favorite movie of all time! Aaron mentioned that Rorschach is like Batman, well, fun fact, Alan Moore originally created the concept of this story with actual comic book characters were original Charlton comic characters but then went to become DC characters. Dr. Manhattan was Captain Atom, Rorschach was The Question, Nite Owl was Blue Beetle, Silk Spectre is Nightshade, Ozymandis is Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, The Comedian and Peacemaker
Fun fact: the hooded hero that saved silk spectre, Hooded Justice, is actually gay and did enjoy bdsm. Comedian truly was a people's person. He understood.
I agree. People will stay up all night to read a good book for several hours, or binge watch a streaming TV show for an entire weekend but the same people treat a long movie in theaters like a trip to motor vehicles. Oh, I'm sorry that this movie full of amazing story, fights, action and special effects is like a half hour longer than other movies. There is nothing wasteful in this movie. All of it is necessary. In my opinion, if you have a blockbuster action film that does action right, it can be as long as it wants. I'll watch it.
@@enzobuso5933 “longer than it needs to” What does this even mean? Who are you (no offense meant personally) to determine how long the movie SHOULD be? The director determines that. As I said earlier, it’s as long as it needs to be to express the director’s vision.
@@motodork Bruh director can make mistakes they arent perfect lol. I cant say how long a scene has to be cause im not a director but I can definetely tell when a scene goes on for too long. Anyone can.
This movie is so deep you have to watch it multiple times to catch the stuff you miss in the previous viewings. I've watched it dozens of times and still find things. The graphic novel is the same way, both are awesome stories in each of their mediums.
The watchmen story is a basically a treatise on power. What is power, Who has power, who deserves power, who shouldn't have power. It's pretty poetic that the most powerful person in the story ends up being Seymour the reporter at the end holding rorshach's journal
truth-telling sometimes can be far more powerful than super abilities or nuclear weapons. in the comics, that's one of the main reasons Superman chose to work for the Daily Planet *"my heroes have always been journalists"* - _Clark Kent_
@@joeg6478 absolutely. I never thought about it but thats what impressed me about watchmen and by extension alan moore's philosophy that he illustrated in the novel. He values truth so much more than power and that is one hell of an ideal.
the point you were alluding to in your OP, Truth _IS_ Power which in itself is a powerful message. Clark like ALAN figured out a long time ago that with the truth on your side and the writers pen, one man can make a difference
Aaron's theory about the Comedian's Vietnamese lovechild saved by Manhattan and ultimately becoming the bad guy sounds like a popular fan theory concerning the HBO series.
*"why does one death matter against so many? becuz there is good and evil and evil **_Must be Punished_** ... even in the face of Armageddon! I will not compromise in this..."* - that single monologue is the key to understanding the motivations behind everything Rorschach does in this film 🔥🔥🔥
@3:59 *"i thought he wasn't gonna kill him cuz he had so many opportunities he could've already!"* Aaron's observation during that scene implies that drawn out fight b4 Eddie Blake's murder had deeper meaning than just a _hit._ i'm guessing it was Adrian's final punishment for helping Nixon spy on supers and more personally for belittling his youthful idealism years ago when they used to be teammates
Kinda neat to see that the film is completely centered around The Comedian. From the beginning of the movie, with his death, his backstory with his daughter, and finally in the end, the final practical joke.
Control of nuclear forces. Kinda like Magneto, but times four. He's a walking Replicator from Star Trek. One that can disassemble itself and go to warp.
If night owl saved Bruce’s parents in this universe then maybe another thing that happened in this universe is that krypton never exploded and thus Kal-El never came to earth and never got the name Clark Kent.
I remember loving this movie when i first watched it. Then i realized that not everyone did and the complaints against it made think i didn't like it as much anymore. Until i rewatched it this year and found out i still love it. And i definitely think Zack Snyder works best when behind the camera and not on the script. He's a visual director and makes me sad to know that so much of his talent is overlooked by his poor storytelling decisions. I also don't find his writing awful, just the kind that needs more supervision.
18:00 this is my favourite shot in the movie, period. This whole film visually is an actual masterpiece, and I would pay to watch whatever else Zack Snyder has made. Just from watching this film alone, I can already tell he’s a genius.
@@Mynameizhere No, technically Watchmen is not a graphic novel. It's a comic book series that later was published in TPB or HC. A graphic novel is a comic book that is directly and originally published in TPB or HC format (in a "novel" format, instead of a "magazine" format), like A Contract with God by Eisner or Persepolis by Satrapi. "Graphic novel" is more a marketing term and is often a term misused by snob and/or ignorant people that thinks comics are for kids and "graphic novels" for adults.
@@felipeaquitral it has 2 versions, the comics and the graphic novel, they are exactly the same apart from the fact that the graphic novel is just 1 big book whilst the comic is multiple issues.
@@KangarooMonkey No. That's just a TPB or a HC that includes all the issues of a certain comic (in this case, the 12 issues of Watchmen), not a "graphic novel". A "graphic novel" is not a compilation format (TPB, HC, Deluxe, Absolute, Omnibus, Library Edition, etc), is a format of publication (issue/magazine, book/graphic novel, etc).
One cool detail about Rorschach is when he is around his enemies, and other costumed people, he speaks bluntly, and with bad grammar. But around Daniel, that one therapist, and even in his own journal he's well spoken, and very intelligent. It's like part of his alter-ego is to play pretend that he's simple, but we know how smart he really is.
" five years before we were born" you're damn right! This haunted my dreams, it's one of the reasons this movie ( and the comic) was profoundly powerful to me.
the most interesting aspect of Adrian's character was revealed in the flashback of him presenting his plan to systematically wipe out all evil from the U.S. which showed that back then, he genuinely believed the newly founded *Watchmen* were enuff to _save the world._ He let the Comedian's cynicism make him lose faith that the WM's _never-ending battle_ using what he thinks are *"schoolboy heroics"* would ever work so in an effort to find a faster, more effective way, his gifted but highly arrogant mind lead him down a path that ultimately perverted everything heroes are supposed to stand for 👍# 3118
One of the greatest comic books ever. The deconstruction of superheroes and vigilantes basically shows that it’s a certain personality trait psychopathic and antisocial who become vigilantes. My only gripe is the ending which is different in the comic book. The TV show is actually really good and is definitely worth seeing. Thank you guys, great reaction.
I think the premise of an alien invasion works less well today. In 1985 we didn't know how to dive into the genome of tissue like we do today. Those “aliens” would be unmasked as fake a few years in the future. Plus, they would come off as cheesy in live action.
Man Rorschach is the best character I've ever seen he also has my favorite quote ever said in a comic "It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us." Just in general the comics are better in every way especially the ending it's way crazier
Agreed that the original ending was trippy and cool, but I do think that this ending was pretty cool. It felt like the rehashed ending of The Mist compared with Stephen King's ending. It was very different but paid off the story that the movie told in an equally cool way that made total sense.
The doomsday clock isn't very credible anymore, there are no nuclear powers on the brink of war and climate change isn't a threat to human existence, it's a threat to our way of life. Unless they've now discovered that a raise of two degrees will kill everything on the planet.
I have ALWAYS loved this movie, every scene is just so immersive and engaging, even the Director’s cut. I’ve never understood why so many people hated it.
The first time I saw this movie it was the Ultimate cut which is almost 4 hours and had no idea what i was getting into. This movie is amazing and so is the comic novel by Alan Moore
Great endurance reaction guys! Love the breakdown afterwards. You should know that it was Dr. Manhattan that led to the death of the 1st Green Lantern, Alan Scott, which stopped the creation of the Justice Society of America and the domino effect of undoing much of DC history leading into the New 52 and the followup, Rebirth, generation of DC comics. Check out the Doomsday Clock series to see the tie-ins to current DC lore.
Loved the reaction, quick fact though: Watchmen was separate from the DC Universe until the DC Rebirth event a few years ago. That's why there is no mention of any other DC properties in the movie.
@@kalechip9074 Rorshach was a variant of the Question. DC had bought a smaller comic and hired Alan Moore to do a series on the cast. It quickly evolved into this quiet noir apocalyptic epic, totally unfit for its original purpose but good art and good product nonetheless. So they changed the names and let Moore go wild. The result is Watchmen.
Roy Westerman used this version of the Watchmen story for Earth 27. It's events even set up the Norsefire Parliments reign over England from V for Vendetta.
I haven't met anybody who understood the message of Black Freighter, and why it's intertwined with the Ultimate Cut. Anybody I've known who saw that version of the movie just shrugs those parts off as weird or boring. Disappointing, but there you have it.
@@zenhaelcero8481 I personally liked those parts and even though I didnt understand those parts in the ultimate Cut version or graphic novel but I feel like they somehow connect to the whole story.
@@nox5870 The story as a whole is an analogy to the story of Adrian Veidt, showing a man who follows his convictions and blind determination to a deep and dark place of death. But it also related to other characters in the story, the isolation of Dr. Manhattan, the psychotic violence of Rohrschach, the general willingness to do anything that is necessary when following your code or your idea of justice etc. For more on this: scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/7661/what-is-the-significance-of-tales-of-the-black-freighter
@@RoboBoomStick The question I asked was WHY you guys hate this masterpiece. You are totally entitled to your opinion, I just want to understand it. Or can't you give any reasons because you haven't even watched it and just like to complain?
Originally, Allan Moore wanted to use characters from Charlton Comics for Watchmen. The Comedian is based on Peacemaker, Dr. Manhattan on Captain Atom, Rorschach on the Question, Nite Owl on Blue Beetle, Ozymandias on Thunderbolt and Silk Spectre on Nightshade.
I literally just finished watching an episode of the Watchmen show and I said 'I wonder if Blind Wave watch this show' and boom 2 minutes ago you reacted to the movie :D
Always liked the scene where Rorschach and the cleaver. Such rage, such anger. The way he paces around before the hut. So intense. Also: Matthew Goode!! Love that man!😍
I have actually read the graphic novel and while I do love it, I must admit I'm glad that they changed the common enemy that unites the US and the Soviet Union to Dr Manhattan instead of a weird genetically engineered alien that looks like a brain with tentacles. I remember reading that part and thinking "man this is so stupid, I'm so glad Snyder changed this".
Rorschach, Nite Owl II and Ozymandias are like three aspects of Batman: The "hardboiled" investigator obsessing over urban decay and how you "have to make your own order in the chaos" by beating on "the scum". The inheritor of wealth turned inventor who feels powerless when not dressed up like a flying night creature with outlandish gadgets and vehicles. The billionaire genius running a multi-faceted corporation who traveled the world training his mind and body to their peak.
I like this adaption, but the book is still better. The tricks they can play with Manhattan's odd perceptions of time across pages and panels and re-using the images is amazing. And the squid monsters were such a surprise, until you paged back through the old issues to see all the little clues about artists and bio-engineers, and cloned food in the restaurant. Thanks for doing this. Looking forward to you guys covering the HBO series.
Yeah dude, you guys gotta start reacting to the HBO series. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's one of the best things in cinema ever made. It's a fucking masterpiece.
What they do with Dr. Manhattan in the DC Comics and how they justify his existence in the DC timelines is BRILLIANT. I suggest ya'll look it up. Really cool.
This is definitely a fun superhero movie to watch, and it’s so freshly different from the Disney Marvel bunch. But overall, apart from the light touch on the ethics of utilitarianism at the end, it doesn’t really go much farther than regular superhero detective stuff, whereas the book goes deeper and makes it more difficult to swallow any side’s argument. Zack Snyder is an awesome cinematographer. I don’t think he is a deep thinker. One of the comic’s points is satirizing the popularity of “superheroes” and imagining them existing in real life with real world stakes and dark human complexities. For those who say the movie “literally, objectively adapts everything in the comics,” where in the comics could you find an ally flight that, as the movie does, closes up on broken and protruding bones, neck twisting, and cool, badass superhuman strength and agility? Zack Snyder wants to adapt The Fountainhead. He can deny (to others and himself) that he doesn’t express political views in his films all he wants, his fans can say they hate politics in movies all they want, but his world view and understanding of the book is, at least (without saying which one’s superior), far from the world view and intentions of the book, and that definitely impacts on how his film turned out. An American Hero Story is made sort of in Zack Snyder’s style. It’s dark and gritty and badass and a bit cheesy, its production quality is great, but its messaging of motifs or a central theme is probably not very clear, and certain elements of that show probably does reinforce social Darwinism and utilitarianism. That’s Zack and if you like him, you probably share the same world view, or you might’ve not really challenged yourself to think a bit more in-depth on that. I’m still not saying which one is superior. But understanding that other people have other world views would help you understand why others don’t love the works that you love.
Spoiler for another alternate ending from a much older movie script: Ozymandas' plan is to create a small hole through time so he can shoot Jon Osterman dead just before the accident in the testing chamber but instead Dr Manhattan teleports through the hole and merges with his past self so he emerges still human and the timeline changes around Rorschach, Nite Owl and Silk Spectre to a 1985 where they are known only as comic book characters.
Though I wish it had the length of a miniseries, the movie was a good adaptation of the graphic novel. I love how the opening credits sequence depicted the history of the world of Watchmen.
One extra detail, should you need it: the woman whose dress Rorshach repurposed into his mask was named in the comic as Kitty Genovese, who was an actual, real-world rape and murder victim who was killed in a prolonged attack in front of her own apartment building while no one helped or called the police. I get the feeling that Alan Moore was himself pretty outraged at that event given he used her real name instead of making up some fictional attack.
I don't know if Nite Owl saved Bruce Wayne's parents in this universe. It's a cool idea, but it seems like the world of Watchmen is actually closer to reality than it is the comic book universe. I'm pretty sure Batman and Superman comics exist in Watchmen. I think that scene was just an homage since Nite-Owl is kind of like Batman.
In the Watchmen TV show on HBOMax, they revert back to the original story ending. The remnants of the squid monster (I won't spoil it but it's trippy) and the effect on the world are so amazing and unexpected. Also, I love that decades later, there's chaos again, so Adrian's mass murder peace accord didn't even last 50 years. Jeremy Irons and Regina King are incredible.
@@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 It was awesome, right? Such incredible social commentary drawing on what the graphic novel started, with the focus on issues relevant to today.
Wow, this was a whole different experience after watching the show lol I hope this means you guys are considering starting it, because it has been the greatest surprise of the season for me.
Don't know if anyone else noticed this but the Comedian's death was made to look like a suicide. The other guy, Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias) made sure to leave no evidence of himself being there.. not one of the comedian's punches, knife jambs or the shot landed and all the broken stuff in the apartment could be explained off as the result of the comedian's decent into madness before finally ending himself. Great scene.
Watch the FULL LENGTH Reaction HERE: www.blindwavellc.com/watchmen-full/
Well it's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime in the U.K., and I swore Avatar was the last time I bought a movie just for the full Length.
What if night owl saved bruces parents but not bruce and this movie is in flashpoint where thomas wayne is batman
@@kamdenfletcher6363 No
@@garyb8859 just word coming out my ass
Hey Blind Wave, big fan here. I’m just wondering if you guys are going to react to the watchmen tv show because trust me, it’s so so so good. If you guys do then that would be amazing
"You see doctor, God didn't kill that little girl. Fate didn't butcher her and destiny didn't feed her to the dogs. If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew, God doesn't make the world this way .... we do."
that disheartening albeit well-written and expertly acted speech proved that no matter how much his horrific childhood and experiences operating as a "hero" made him _cynical/disillusioned,_ at his core, Rorschach still believed in God while at the same time also believing _He doesn't give a sh!t_
If something like that would have happened with Bruce, I bet batman would have never had a no killing rule
@@DivvayKhatri Batman has seen shit like that
I like this part of the movie, i remember it everytime i hear someone saying that god doesnt exist because there is a lot of evil shit going on the world. I always say that the cause of bad things is other people, we have free will and some decide to be bad.
The basic cosmological correction all believers have to learn, that should destroy monotheistic conservatism. It should be obvious, since it's fully Biblical, that the way the world is results from sin, and is not God's will, but conservatism dies hard, for people who benefit from the way the world is.
“Who watches the Watchmen?”
Me: watching people watch The Watchmen
My roommate: Watching me watch men watch The Watchmen.
Is it just me or is the word "watch" starting to lose its meaning
Watcheption
@@memedchenille8564 beat me to it
Me: watching comments about watching people watching the watchmen.
Me: watching people watch people watch the watchmen watching people
Dr. Manhattan: watching me watch people watch people watch the watchmen watch people while being watched by an ever infinit loop of watchers watching in other dimensions
It's funny that Jeffery Dean Morgan almost turned down The Comedian because he thought he got killed in the first scene, but then he played Thomas Wayne in BvS
A check is a check.
Well they were both directed by Snyder. He and JDM are probably friends somehow.
plus it was a Batman movie, who would turn _that_ down
They probably planned to use him in Flashpoint movie, but i guess that's not happening anytime soon and they are rebooting Batman again...
When you are comfortable you can afford to pick and choose, but when you have bills to pay you take whatever you can get. JDM is a great actor but he isn't an A-lister and his paychecks are usually in the five figure range and if you have a million dollar house in LA you take whatever gigs come your way.
Alan Moore doesn't just hate adaptations of his work. He even dislikes some of his own stuff. A textbook example of the artist who is never pleased with their own work.
They made the movie without his consent so of course he will hate it.
@@lonewolf3314 he sold the rights. they don't need his consent. him selling the rights ultimately is permanent consent. also he wouldn't approve ANY adaptation of his work. it could be a perfect adaption and he probably still wouldn't approve. i'm pretty sure hes never even seen this movie anyway.
@Jkong Hong i bet season 2 or 3 would be amazing tbh
@Kurt Rustle I mean, it's your opinion but I totally disagree. I think this movie is not only a bad movie but a horrible adaptation...
Or, because most adaptations of his work is shit.
“If you’d cared from the start, none of this would have happened…” 22:45
Feels like the most under appreciated line in this movie
That's what I say to women who wouldn't vote for Hillary.
Facts, but if you really think about it, if any human on earth were granted omnipotence, the result would be almost identical
@@fuckTrump-v7jI'm Australian but Hillary is evil dude there was no good choice in that election but Hillary would have been the worse choice
@@angelo4726 I think that was The Comedian’s point; Super Powers, Weapons, Technological Superiority, they are all threats to humanity’s survival, if humans stop caring for each other or hand over all responsibility to a “strong” leader.
It’s happened before.
FUN FACT: Young Rorschach is played by Eli Snyder, Zack Snyder's son, who is now also on his way to become a movie director.
He's also the one who directed Cyborg's football scene in Justice League.
Rorschach is AWESOME!!!
Almost forgot how good and underrated this movie was.
this movie is on the ok level. Is not even great
@@FerDamachaChIts the best CBM in my book
It's not underrated, it's mostly overrated (though I hate the overrated/underrated overuse). You just have to read the comments xd A lot of people say it's a masterpiece, which is not. It's a pretty good movie, mainly because of Hayter's script and good visuals, but Snyder doesn't know how to adapt a comic book or a character without trying to be edgy. Without Hayter this movie would've probably sucked.
@@felipeaquitral well that's the point... Not addapt the character to how it exactly is in the comic as we have seen that over and over again.... To give us something new en entertaining
U can hold ur opinion but ur very very wrong.
And zacks loves to use real life morals/ideologies into the movies too make u think! Not like the disney/Marvel movies who are plain and simple just made to entertain.
It's a bad adaptation but it's a serviceable movie.
This is literally my favorite movie of all time!
Aaron mentioned that Rorschach is like Batman, well, fun fact, Alan Moore originally created the concept of this story with actual comic book characters were original Charlton comic characters but then went to become DC characters. Dr. Manhattan was Captain Atom, Rorschach was The Question, Nite Owl was Blue Beetle, Silk Spectre is Nightshade, Ozymandis is Peter Cannon, Thunderbolt, The Comedian and Peacemaker
Exactly
@the baron Iirc, he couldn't use any of said characters (Captain Atom, The Question,...), so he decided to make his own.
Say what you want about the movie (I personally love it) Dr. Manhattan’s origin scenes are a masterclass in filmmaking.
I agree
Love how the Comedian threw his coffee mug at the door for the number to change from 3001 to “300” being the other film Snyder directed
Easter egg
Fun fact: the hooded hero that saved silk spectre, Hooded Justice, is actually gay and did enjoy bdsm. Comedian truly was a people's person. He understood.
15:36 The best line in the whole movie. “None of you seem to understand... I’m not locked in here with you. YOU’RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!”
I will never ever ever understand people who complain about a movie being long. It’s art. It’s supposed to be as long as it needs to be.
I agree. People will stay up all night to read a good book for several hours, or binge watch a streaming TV show for an entire weekend but the same people treat a long movie in theaters like a trip to motor vehicles. Oh, I'm sorry that this movie full of amazing story, fights, action and special effects is like a half hour longer than other movies. There is nothing wasteful in this movie. All of it is necessary. In my opinion, if you have a blockbuster action film that does action right, it can be as long as it wants. I'll watch it.
the problem is when the movie goes on longer than it needs to. Or if its much shorter than nescessary.
Some people got shit to do
@@enzobuso5933 “longer than it needs to”
What does this even mean? Who are you (no offense meant personally) to determine how long the movie SHOULD be? The director determines that. As I said earlier, it’s as long as it needs to be to express the director’s vision.
@@motodork Bruh director can make mistakes they arent perfect lol. I cant say how long a scene has to be cause im not a director but I can definetely tell when a scene goes on for too long. Anyone can.
This movie is so deep you have to watch it multiple times to catch the stuff you miss in the previous viewings. I've watched it dozens of times and still find things. The graphic novel is the same way, both are awesome stories in each of their mediums.
The watchmen story is a basically a treatise on power. What is power, Who has power, who deserves power, who shouldn't have power. It's pretty poetic that the most powerful person in the story ends up being Seymour the reporter at the end holding rorshach's journal
Damn man, that was a spotless comment!
True
truth-telling sometimes can be far more powerful than super abilities or nuclear weapons. in the comics, that's one of the main reasons Superman chose to work for the Daily Planet
*"my heroes have always been journalists"*
- _Clark Kent_
@@joeg6478 absolutely. I never thought about it but thats what impressed me about watchmen and by extension alan moore's philosophy that he illustrated in the novel. He values truth so much more than power and that is one hell of an ideal.
the point you were alluding to in your OP, Truth _IS_ Power which in itself is a powerful message. Clark like ALAN figured out a long time ago that with the truth on your side and the writers pen, one man can make a difference
I love how you can see the disgust on Shane face during the comedian scenes. Aaron had shock on his face Shane was pure disgust.
Because the comedian is awful
@@AnotherBrokenMan so edgy
Ironic that Shane was “disgusted” knowing what we know now
@@vrod9686 I still don’t know exactly what he did thought they kept that very hush hush.
@@vrod9686 what he do
Always great to see RUclipsrs actually love and show respect for Zack Snyder
Aaron's theory about the Comedian's Vietnamese lovechild saved by Manhattan and ultimately becoming the bad guy sounds like a popular fan theory concerning the HBO series.
The new watchmen graphic novel is great. Read it.
@@lonewolf3314 what do you mean?
I've been thinking the same thing!
Probably doomsday clock
@@greatman707 Or better, Before Watchmen
*"why does one death matter against so many? becuz there is good and evil and evil **_Must be Punished_** ... even in the face of Armageddon! I will not compromise in this..."* - that single monologue is the key to understanding the motivations behind everything Rorschach does in this film 🔥🔥🔥
Imagine what the world would be like if a man like Rorshach gained the atomic weaving, or even just impossible intellect .
@3:59 *"i thought he wasn't gonna kill him cuz he had so many opportunities he could've already!"*
Aaron's observation during that scene implies that drawn out fight b4 Eddie Blake's murder had deeper meaning than just a _hit._ i'm guessing it was Adrian's final punishment for helping Nixon spy on supers and more personally for belittling his youthful idealism years ago when they used to be teammates
Watchmen Ultimate Cut is a Masterpiece!
What does it include except black freighter scenes? Just asking
Yep! the animation is amazing and terrifying! Simple awesome!...🤕😀💥✌️💚
@@crimsonhunter7598 Nothing. Pretty much the same as the Extended cut other than the Black Freighter bits.
YOOOO Y’ALL DON’T UNDERSTAND I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU TO DO THIIS
Kinda neat to see that the film is completely centered around The Comedian. From the beginning of the movie, with his death, his backstory with his daughter, and finally in the end, the final practical joke.
"What power does he have?"
All of them
Control of nuclear forces.
Kinda like Magneto, but times four.
He's a walking Replicator from Star Trek. One that can disassemble itself and go to warp.
Watchmen is MASTERPIECE 🤩
Rorschach is still my favorite character in Watchmen. His death still makes me cry.
"What are you waiting for?.... do it....... DO IT!!!"
That's just great acting. Iconic movie moment.
Nite Owl seeing Rorschach die is truly heartbreaking. Their friendship is pure.
If night owl saved Bruce’s parents in this universe then maybe another thing that happened in this universe is that krypton never exploded and thus Kal-El never came to earth and never got the name Clark Kent.
Maybe
Also seems similar to doomsday clock if you know that
Crimson Hunter I was reading it at Barnes and Noble just the other day!
@@thehedgehogsdilemma9478 oh ok cool
Wait he saved Bruce’s parents?
And also, NITE OWL
I remember loving this movie when i first watched it. Then i realized that not everyone did and the complaints against it made think i didn't like it as much anymore. Until i rewatched it this year and found out i still love it.
And i definitely think Zack Snyder works best when behind the camera and not on the script. He's a visual director and makes me sad to know that so much of his talent is overlooked by his poor storytelling decisions.
I also don't find his writing awful, just the kind that needs more supervision.
I think Jack haley would be an amazing carnage/cletus Cassidy
Rorschach needs his own movie!
@@RandyReviews1990 true
He would have killed that role.
Yes this actor played with his whole body and heart....just masterpiece rorschach
18:00 this is my favourite shot in the movie, period. This whole film visually is an actual masterpiece, and I would pay to watch whatever else Zack Snyder has made. Just from watching this film alone, I can already tell he’s a genius.
Right before the pool room scene they were smiling, first hit the smiles immediately vanished. Shit was rough to read in the novel
*comic.
Felipe Aravena Graphic Novel*
@@Mynameizhere No, technically Watchmen is not a graphic novel. It's a comic book series that later was published in TPB or HC. A graphic novel is a comic book that is directly and originally published in TPB or HC format (in a "novel" format, instead of a "magazine" format), like A Contract with God by Eisner or Persepolis by Satrapi.
"Graphic novel" is more a marketing term and is often a term misused by snob and/or ignorant people that thinks comics are for kids and "graphic novels" for adults.
@@felipeaquitral it has 2 versions, the comics and the graphic novel, they are exactly the same apart from the fact that the graphic novel is just 1 big book whilst the comic is multiple issues.
@@KangarooMonkey No. That's just a TPB or a HC that includes all the issues of a certain comic (in this case, the 12 issues of Watchmen), not a "graphic novel". A "graphic novel" is not a compilation format (TPB, HC, Deluxe, Absolute, Omnibus, Library Edition, etc), is a format of publication (issue/magazine, book/graphic novel, etc).
One cool detail about Rorschach is when he is around his enemies, and other costumed people, he speaks bluntly, and with bad grammar.
But around Daniel, that one therapist, and even in his own journal he's well spoken, and very intelligent.
It's like part of his alter-ego is to play pretend that he's simple, but we know how smart he really is.
" five years before we were born" you're damn right! This haunted my dreams, it's one of the reasons this movie ( and the comic) was profoundly powerful to me.
Patrick Wilson's scream when Rorschach dies, and his speech towards Adrian really solidified how great of an actor he is.
the most interesting aspect of Adrian's character was revealed in the flashback of him presenting his plan to systematically wipe out all evil from the U.S. which showed that back then, he genuinely believed the newly founded *Watchmen* were enuff to _save the world._ He let the Comedian's cynicism make him lose faith that the WM's _never-ending battle_ using what he thinks are *"schoolboy heroics"* would ever work so in an effort to find a faster, more effective way, his gifted but highly arrogant mind lead him down a path that ultimately perverted everything heroes are supposed to stand for 👍# 3118
Damn. Make a video about that. Bc preach
One of the greatest comic books ever. The deconstruction of superheroes and vigilantes basically shows that it’s a certain personality trait psychopathic and antisocial who become vigilantes. My only gripe is the ending which is different in the comic book. The TV show is actually really good and is definitely worth seeing. Thank you guys, great reaction.
I think the premise of an alien invasion works less well today. In 1985 we didn't know how to dive into the genome of tissue like we do today. Those “aliens” would be unmasked as fake a few years in the future. Plus, they would come off as cheesy in live action.
Same here
Hands down still the greatest adaption of a comic to film ever.
Man Rorschach is the best character I've ever seen he also has my favorite quote ever said in a comic "It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us." Just in general the comics are better in every way especially the ending it's way crazier
Agreed that the original ending was trippy and cool, but I do think that this ending was pretty cool. It felt like the rehashed ending of The Mist compared with Stephen King's ending. It was very different but paid off the story that the movie told in an equally cool way that made total sense.
I love this movie so god damn much
I love the line “none of you understand, im not locked in here with you , your locked in here with meeee!!! “
Please react to the Watchmen show, the mysteries would make it such a good show to react to.
In the comics, the four legged chicken was showing a world where research into genetics that was being advanced by Adrian would have been applied.
The real life doomsday clock is set to 2 minutes too.
And we got electric cars with their chargers on the streets, just like in the comic.
2 Minutes to Midnight, that's a great Iron Maiden song
Seems more like five past midnight.
The doomsday clock isn't very credible anymore, there are no nuclear powers on the brink of war and climate change isn't a threat to human existence, it's a threat to our way of life. Unless they've now discovered that a raise of two degrees will kill everything on the planet.
Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut is the definitive version of the film, a must watch for any fan of the novel.
this movie is a must see. nothing is comparable really. the symbolism and themes in it are so good
Fun fact the english voice actor of L from deathnote is also in this movie
Who?
@@Folkmoot the technician at the Rockefeller military base.
You guys would absolutely love the show, I would very much like to see those reactions
I have ALWAYS loved this movie, every scene is just so immersive and engaging, even the Director’s cut. I’ve never understood why so many people hated it.
Just search it up and you'll know.
Aww. I wish they showed Hollis Mason's death scene. Best part of the extended edition. Can't really afford to sign up to their Patreon right now.
Same. A bit dissapointed that didn't made it into the reaction reel. Oh well.
I was waitng for that one too!
"I have walked across the surface of the Sun... You are just a man." Fucking. Oof.
The first time I saw this movie it was the Ultimate cut which is almost 4 hours and had no idea what i was getting into. This movie is amazing and so is the comic novel by Alan Moore
Great endurance reaction guys! Love the breakdown afterwards. You should know that it was Dr. Manhattan that led to the death of the 1st Green Lantern, Alan Scott, which stopped the creation of the Justice Society of America and the domino effect of undoing much of DC history leading into the New 52 and the followup, Rebirth, generation of DC comics. Check out the Doomsday Clock series to see the tie-ins to current DC lore.
Loved the reaction, quick fact though: Watchmen was separate from the DC Universe until the DC Rebirth event a few years ago. That's why there is no mention of any other DC properties in the movie.
I would like to see Rorschach and question either team up or battle it out
Although Rorschach (or at least guy dressed like him) does have a couple appearances in Kingdom Come. But granted, those are just cameos.
@@kalechip9074 Rorshach was a variant of the Question.
DC had bought a smaller comic and hired Alan Moore to do a series on the cast.
It quickly evolved into this quiet noir apocalyptic epic, totally unfit for its original purpose but good art and good product nonetheless. So they changed the names and let Moore go wild. The result is Watchmen.
@@JoshSweetvale still would be sick to see them together
Roy Westerman used this version of the Watchmen story for Earth 27. It's events even set up the Norsefire Parliments reign over England from V for Vendetta.
I wish this had been the Ultimate Cut, with "Tales of the Black Freighter" intertwined with the main story
That's the only addition right
Well Aaron and Shane haven't read the Graphic Novel so they wouldn't understand what that is all about.
I haven't met anybody who understood the message of Black Freighter, and why it's intertwined with the Ultimate Cut. Anybody I've known who saw that version of the movie just shrugs those parts off as weird or boring. Disappointing, but there you have it.
@@zenhaelcero8481 I personally liked those parts and even though I didnt understand those parts in the ultimate Cut version or graphic novel but I feel like they somehow connect to the whole story.
@@nox5870 The story as a whole is an analogy to the story of Adrian Veidt, showing a man who follows his convictions and blind determination to a deep and dark place of death.
But it also related to other characters in the story, the isolation of Dr. Manhattan, the psychotic violence of Rohrschach, the general willingness to do anything that is necessary when following your code or your idea of justice etc.
For more on this: scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/7661/what-is-the-significance-of-tales-of-the-black-freighter
Jackie Earl Haley was so great here.
You guys should 100% start reacting to the show it’s amazing
And it's worth it to note the show is a sequel to the graphic novel, not the film.
@Kurt Rustle have you watched (all of) it? and if yes what's your reasons for that opinion?
@@EncryptedBear8 terrible show
@@RoboBoomStick The question I asked was WHY you guys hate this masterpiece. You are totally entitled to your opinion, I just want to understand it. Or can't you give any reasons because you haven't even watched it and just like to complain?
@@EncryptedBear8 Poorly directed and predictable. Also Regina is a bad actor. It's a mockery of everything Watchman , I could go on and on and on.
Originally, Allan Moore wanted to use characters from Charlton Comics for Watchmen. The Comedian is based on Peacemaker, Dr. Manhattan on Captain Atom, Rorschach on the Question, Nite Owl on Blue Beetle, Ozymandias on Thunderbolt and Silk Spectre on Nightshade.
I literally just finished watching an episode of the Watchmen show and I said 'I wonder if Blind Wave watch this show' and boom 2 minutes ago you reacted to the movie :D
Orhan Yalçın this was just me yesterday after I started watching it. Maybe thinking do they react to watchmen cause they should
Always liked the scene where Rorschach and the cleaver. Such rage, such anger. The way he paces around before the hut. So intense.
Also: Matthew Goode!! Love that man!😍
I have actually read the graphic novel and while I do love it, I must admit I'm glad that they changed the common enemy that unites the US and the Soviet Union to Dr Manhattan instead of a weird genetically engineered alien that looks like a brain with tentacles. I remember reading that part and thinking "man this is so stupid, I'm so glad Snyder changed this".
If you guys never seen the Nice Guys (2016), I would love to see a reaction. One of the most underrated movies of the decade.
Still my fav opening credits ever! ❤
Rorschach, Nite Owl II and Ozymandias are like three aspects of Batman:
The "hardboiled" investigator obsessing over urban decay and how you "have to make your own order in the chaos" by beating on "the scum".
The inheritor of wealth turned inventor who feels powerless when not dressed up like a flying night creature with outlandish gadgets and vehicles.
The billionaire genius running a multi-faceted corporation who traveled the world training his mind and body to their peak.
My name is Ozymandias...king of kings...look at my work ye mighty and despair....
Hey, that's from Breaking Bad!
@@kuhpunkt
It's not. It's from Shelley, and has been stolen very often.
@@Carabas72 You know what a joke is, right?
The creation of "Rorschach" was inspired by "The Question"... Which is also a dope character
You should definitely rewatch the BvS Extended Cut.
I like this adaption, but the book is still better. The tricks they can play with Manhattan's odd perceptions of time across pages and panels and re-using the images is amazing. And the squid monsters were such a surprise, until you paged back through the old issues to see all the little clues about artists and bio-engineers, and cloned food in the restaurant. Thanks for doing this. Looking forward to you guys covering the HBO series.
I think Snyder should have filmed both his ending and the Moore ending. It was so *close*.
Moore's ending: A L I E N S
I watched this recently on HBO Max for the first time. I’ve always loved Zack’s movies and MOS was the first for me. This one is a new DC favorite.
Yeah dude, you guys gotta start reacting to the HBO series. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's one of the best things in cinema ever made. It's a fucking masterpiece.
Man! I have been looking forward to this Thank You Blind Wave and Editor!💯👊
This movie is so good and cinematic, but the TV show further explores how Dr Manhattan perceives time and it’s a very interesting plot point
TV show is a piece of crap.
I saw it in the theater when it came out. One of my favorite movies from probably my favorite graphic novel.
I'm just going to say it
WATCHMEN IS A MASTERPIECE AND ZACK SNYDER IS A GENIUS
Alan Moore's a genius.
One of the Bonus in the collector edition IS KIND OF the journal of the first Night Owl, in the form of an interview of the character.
Really hope you guys do start reacting to the Watchmen show. It's SO GOOD!
What they do with Dr. Manhattan in the DC Comics and how they justify his existence in the DC timelines is BRILLIANT. I suggest ya'll look it up. Really cool.
This is definitely a fun superhero movie to watch, and it’s so freshly different from the Disney Marvel bunch. But overall, apart from the light touch on the ethics of utilitarianism at the end, it doesn’t really go much farther than regular superhero detective stuff, whereas the book goes deeper and makes it more difficult to swallow any side’s argument. Zack Snyder is an awesome cinematographer. I don’t think he is a deep thinker. One of the comic’s points is satirizing the popularity of “superheroes” and imagining them existing in real life with real world stakes and dark human complexities. For those who say the movie “literally, objectively adapts everything in the comics,” where in the comics could you find an ally flight that, as the movie does, closes up on broken and protruding bones, neck twisting, and cool, badass superhuman strength and agility? Zack Snyder wants to adapt The Fountainhead. He can deny (to others and himself) that he doesn’t express political views in his films all he wants, his fans can say they hate politics in movies all they want, but his world view and understanding of the book is, at least (without saying which one’s superior), far from the world view and intentions of the book, and that definitely impacts on how his film turned out.
An American Hero Story is made sort of in Zack Snyder’s style. It’s dark and gritty and badass and a bit cheesy, its production quality is great, but its messaging of motifs or a central theme is probably not very clear, and certain elements of that show probably does reinforce social Darwinism and utilitarianism. That’s Zack and if you like him, you probably share the same world view, or you might’ve not really challenged yourself to think a bit more in-depth on that. I’m still not saying which one is superior. But understanding that other people have other world views would help you understand why others don’t love the works that you love.
One of Snyders first (and not last) CBM masterpieces
Dudes, you have to watch the Watchmen series. It's amazing!!!
This is preparatory, I'm guessing.
You guys HAVE to watch and react to the new watchmen show. It’s great!
Having recently seen it i recommend a reaction to Perfect Blue (1997) that movie was an experience ;-;
Spoiler for another alternate ending from a much older movie script:
Ozymandas' plan is to create a small hole through time so he can shoot Jon Osterman dead just before the accident in the testing chamber but instead Dr Manhattan teleports through the hole and merges with his past self so he emerges still human and the timeline changes around Rorschach, Nite Owl and Silk Spectre to a 1985 where they are known only as comic book characters.
Though I wish it had the length of a miniseries, the movie was a good adaptation of the graphic novel.
I love how the opening credits sequence depicted the history of the world of Watchmen.
Guys the show is so brilliant, its perfect for you to react to
One extra detail, should you need it: the woman whose dress Rorshach repurposed into his mask was named in the comic as Kitty Genovese, who was an actual, real-world rape and murder victim who was killed in a prolonged attack in front of her own apartment building while no one helped or called the police. I get the feeling that Alan Moore was himself pretty outraged at that event given he used her real name instead of making up some fictional attack.
In one of the comic books it's Manhattan that goes back in time to create himself by closing the vault door. The HBO version is good.
This movie was way too ahead of its time. A lot of people forget about it. If it had been made today, it would have been a huge hit.
How could you skip the "men go to jail, dogs get put down." line?
I'd love to see their reaction to Cloud Atlas which was also called an impossible book to make into a film!
That was an amazing movie. Not because the product itself is flawless but because it felt like such an authentic innovation with a lot of heart.
Aaron! There's a Motion Comic version of Watchmen you can watch on RUclips!
I don't know if Nite Owl saved Bruce Wayne's parents in this universe. It's a cool idea, but it seems like the world of Watchmen is actually closer to reality than it is the comic book universe. I'm pretty sure Batman and Superman comics exist in Watchmen. I think that scene was just an homage since Nite-Owl is kind of like Batman.
In the Watchmen TV show on HBOMax, they revert back to the original story ending. The remnants of the squid monster (I won't spoil it but it's trippy) and the effect on the world are so amazing and unexpected. Also, I love that decades later, there's chaos again, so Adrian's mass murder peace accord didn't even last 50 years. Jeremy Irons and Regina King are incredible.
I liked the tv show 😊.
@@eclatshwartzbaumcybertune2063 It was awesome, right? Such incredible social commentary drawing on what the graphic novel started, with the focus on issues relevant to today.
This and BvS extended editions are both far better than the theatrical releases its a crime they didn't release like that.
One would say its a crime that they allowed snyder to touch those dc gems in the first place. But here we are.
@@KMM-kx2yn No
@@KMM-kx2yn stfu
@@KMM-kx2yn its a crime that money grabbing greed people went and ruined an artist vision.
@Kurt Rustle except it isn't
Wow, this was a whole different experience after watching the show lol I hope this means you guys are considering starting it, because it has been the greatest surprise of the season for me.
no kidding, just finished Ep 8. I'm blown away
Don't know if anyone else noticed this but the Comedian's death was made to look like a suicide. The other guy, Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias) made sure to leave no evidence of himself being there.. not one of the comedian's punches, knife jambs or the shot landed and all the broken stuff in the apartment could be explained off as the result of the comedian's decent into madness before finally ending himself. Great scene.