Just got Botox in my masseter and temperlis areas. For nearly two years I have suffered from what I thought and one APN led me to believe was Cervical Radiculopathy. Had an MRI showing a disc bulge at C5 C6 area and thought this was the culprit with all my neck, upper back and arm/hand pain. I have been to PTs, Chiropractic Biophysics, Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor, and then to my Dentist. He said that a year ago I had wear on my teeth and they could make an NTI. I was in so much pain I didn't need another expensive thing that was unrelated to my problem. Fast forward to a month ago for a dental check-up I went through all my pain and suffering and he stated that this is all signs of Bruxism. Apparently I don't grind but I clench the hell out of my jaw at night. Also have the lines in mouth were the clenching supposedly shows itself. So now wearing the NTI for night and one during the day. The day one didn't seem to do much as I rarely appear to clench during the day. Far as I can tell anyways. So I keep on the NTI at night it's for the bottom front teeth. Biggest issue as I subconsciously take it out nearly every night then I wake up to find it then put it back in. So now a month later and not sure this is even helping. Stumbling upon Botox recently and finding that reducing the hypertrophic masseter (decreasing it's strength) could remove the cycle of clenching and causing all these evil symptoms. Got the Botox yesterday 05/28/2021 in the afternoon and was told to see pain relief in about 10 days and three days maybe at the earliest. Shall see.
@@envenable It did for TMJ/TMD. The problem is the source of the issue is Generalized Anxiety Disorder/Severe Stress causing the clenching. Many doctors and dentist mistake this. Took nearly 3 years for a doctor to catch it. Antidepressants and mental health needs to help resolve. Hope this helps you.
@@mnnaya77 I have been diagnosed with an Anxiety Disorder. It's understood now that it has nothing to do with my spine. The Botox does work for TMJ/TMD. Afterwards your jaw may feel weak but the ache goes wayyy down. Hope this helps.💚
Omg thank you! I'm half way through your video and I just had to share that my symptoms are so similar to yours!! I think that my bite was interrupted and my jaw and body compensated when I started having issues with a bad cavity. So I stopped chewing on the left side of my jaw for the longest now that I think of it! So then I got a root canal on that side and didn't get a crown and so my symptoms started to persist and it's been 8 years! I got an x-ray of my neck and they said its straight and I'm scared of going to a dentist just because of the costs but I've been having really bad head tightness, ringing in my ears and I think my back pain could be due to this jaw misalignment! I also do want to mention that it did make it hard for me to speak as well the weirdest thing. Might be due to not taking in enough oxygen, the nostril of the same side that I had constant head tightness and pressure, was closed on a daily basis!
I'm glad I found your video I have all the symptoms you mentioned as well as excruciating pain on left side jaw that well go down the front of my neck down side if mu throat couldn't swallow water ,meds,or even my saliva.All got worst after 3 years of wearing aligners only to be left with my teeth not touching on either side.I feel exhausted and desperate.
Hi Kellsie, I came across your video from it just popping up since I've done soooo many searches on TMD. I was involved in a cycling accident 7 months ago, and along with a fractured C3, and many fractured facial bones, my jaw was displaced. It looks very much like yours in that it slants to one side and the teeth do not touch on "either" side! Eating has been limited to soft foods or carb type foods that can be mushed up in my mouth. 12 sessions of PT did nothing to help and I am seeing my 2 oral surgeon today hoping I don't need surgery and can go the route of the appliance that you use. Thank you for posting and best wishes on your journey to normalcy. I hope to on that journey today also!
Oh my goodness I'm so sorry about that accident, what an ordeal to go through, I'm so glad you survived! It's definitely worth looking into, one thin I'll say though that has become very clear to me now that I'm 2 years into this process - it is quite uncomfortable and significantly reduces the ability to speak for several months, super unlikely that insurance will cover it, it's slow - and I'm in the final phase of my invisalign now and my teeth still don't touch and my face is possibly more crooked? BUT the jaw pain is 80% diminished. I'm not sure if I'd say it's worth it or not yet. I have at least 6 more months to go and will update then! Please feel free to keep us updated here as well with your journey, thank you for sharing!
So I had the issue with TMJ! After an accident i had scar tissue in the condoyle area! This was in my early 20s and the pain was intense. At 26 I had arthroscopic surgery to clean out the scar tissue followed by braces! Pain receded and my open was much better! The pain and clicking would come back periodically and I will have the pain! One thing I noticed is that my teeth while straight would not touch on one side when I bite! And I did have that crooked look. At 48 I decided to fix my bite! I wanted Invisalign but my orthodontist, who treated all my kids, recommended the classic braces but I had the tooth colored ones on top. This was to get optimal results. I can tell you, I am so glad. My teeth touch and I will be getting the braces off soon I think. I am about 24 months in. More importantly, I don’t have the pain even sporadically. I think it’s because my bite dynamics is better. Also, I don’t have that asymmetry anymore. At least I don’t see it.
Hi Mam I am watching your video right now from start to finish...I am in extreme pain with my TMJ and it really brings me a terrible discomfort with my day to day activities. I could hardly eat anything now as it really painful to chew and open up my mouth literally for about 3 weeks now. I keep searching for a non-surgical solution and I feel how you've gone through this kind pain and experience as I do at this moment. I was thinking, perhaps, if I only have health insurance here in UAE then maybe I could go for immediate surgery to end the pain quickly because it's really painful in my ear and jaw down to my neck. I've tried to massage and put essential paint relief rub every time but no effects at all. I wake up in the morning and same thing happens. I just hope that it will be gone naturally. I can hear the crackling sound as well as you've mentioned in the video aside from extreme pain. I've actually done a lot of jaw exercise but to no effects at all.
Explain did you ever got ringing ear , facial itching, nerve tingling on head and face , tooth and face pain , all trigeminal neuralgia symptoms with horrible ringing ear, ever recovered
Thank you so much! i think this is exactly the treatment I need! I don't know how my TMJD happened exactly but it has to be a combo of things. How are you now? I am on my way to getting treatment. My jaw pain is mostly gone, but my mouth feels so narrowed and also my bite is off and uncomfortable to eat.
It's definitely still uncomfortable to eat, my teeth still dont touch. I'd say I've gone from a 3/10 to a 7/10 but I still have 6 months of treatment left to go
How did you sleep I’m 33 I don’t think I can keep my job. I’ve experienced nerve damage and spine fullness happening in flares gets worse on break trying to not collapse my bite I even got headaches eye
Honestly I don't think the neck and shoulder /back pain has diminished at all but the jaw pain went from a 80/100 to around 20-30/100 with some flare ups. I'm about 2/3 of the way through treatment so far, still hopeful for the end!
So phase 2 was awful - wearing the expander, the splint [lower facial appliance, is genuinely what my ppl called it but others refer to it as a splint], and metal braces at the same time was painful and created a significant lisp and mouth fatigue that I could barely talk for about 9 months. It created a type of depression in me that I did not expect, coupled with other life circumstances at that time it was incredibly difficult and changed a LOT about my life. This is the big reason why I haven't made updated videos, it still feels heavy to talk about it because I'm still in the process. I'm not on the other side yet. I'm in the third phase now with Invisalign and it's okay. My TMJ pain is down from 8-9/10 to 2-3/10 which is amazing. My face is still crooked and my teeth still do not touch which creates dental problems. I honestly have no idea how they will ever touch at this point and it gives me a feeling of extraordinary frustration, anger and some hopelessness about it. I really do want to provide an update because I'm so glad this is creating awareness that there are other options but I have no clue is this is the right and best treatment for other people or not. I'm still not sure if I recommend it, if I'd say it worked or was worth it yet. Insurance finally covered 50% which helped but it's been a long road.
Mine is in Denver, CO, USA, Dr. Kent Lauson, author of "Straight talk about crooked teeth" you could probably ask dentists if they've read that book and if they offer similar treatments for TMJ
Definitely better with symptoms but my teeth still don't touch and my jaw still gets sore. I'd say I've improved from a 3/10 to a 7/10 - still going, about 6 months left of treatment yet to go
Hey! Sorry you're going through it too :/ I've done chiropractic care for most of my life and I've found that it's helpful as support and supplemental care for sure. This Dr. is in Denver, Colorado. I hope it helps!
Hi! Thank you, I"m so sorry I don't have an update video posted yet, I filmed it twice but had audio issues with one recording and lost one of my video hard drives during our move :/ I will be making it again though to get that posted soon! I'm now on phase 3 with invisalign only and it's brought my symptoms down from 80-90 out of 100 down to about a 30/100 so it's definitely helping. But it has been a JOURNEY going through this with ups and downs for sure, but overall I'm very encouraged.
@@rachelc653 it's back and forth honestly, some weeks my symptoms are back down to a 20/100 and sometimes [like right now] they are at a 70/100 especially with the rubber bands moving the jaw position. I've been hesitant to share an updated opinion yet since I'm still in the thick of it and it's a ton of back and forth. I'm staying hopeful. I avoid eating spinach and rice and other small/thin things are are very difficult to chew.
How do the dentists know how much to push your upper and lower jaw forward or backwards (depends on the case) to get the right position of your bite? Thanks
If you look up neuromuscular dentistry you will get more information. They use a EMG and some sort of technology to track the jaw and muscle reactions.
Really well so far! I actually go in for phase two at the end of the month and will be doing an update video when that happens to share everything! But so far, my jaw pain is WAY down and my mouth is now used to the retainer thing even though it still creates a bit of a lisp.
@@TheIckster3 yes definitely! You really do have to eat with it for your mouth muscles to retrain and it becomes super easy, normal and comfortable to do so after about a week 🤗
It also hppnd with me too..bloodshoot eyes..It s due to severe eye pressure .bro If the problem is due to bad bite u have to crct bite using CBCT and using emg to get crct force being applied to the muscle around there..My advice to u is that pleasw hold some plastic pentop between your teeth so that the wont come in to contact..My problems gets reduce by 80% when i do that..
Just got Botox in my masseter and temperlis areas. For nearly two years I have suffered from what I thought and one APN led me to believe was Cervical Radiculopathy. Had an MRI showing a disc bulge at C5 C6 area and thought this was the culprit with all my neck, upper back and arm/hand pain. I have been to PTs, Chiropractic Biophysics, Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor, and then to my Dentist. He said that a year ago I had wear on my teeth and they could make an NTI. I was in so much pain I didn't need another expensive thing that was unrelated to my problem. Fast forward to a month ago for a dental check-up I went through all my pain and suffering and he stated that this is all signs of Bruxism. Apparently I don't grind but I clench the hell out of my jaw at night. Also have the lines in mouth were the clenching supposedly shows itself. So now wearing the NTI for night and one during the day. The day one didn't seem to do much as I rarely appear to clench during the day. Far as I can tell anyways. So I keep on the NTI at night it's for the bottom front teeth. Biggest issue as I subconsciously take it out nearly every night then I wake up to find it then put it back in. So now a month later and not sure this is even helping. Stumbling upon Botox recently and finding that reducing the hypertrophic masseter (decreasing it's strength) could remove the cycle of clenching and causing all these evil symptoms. Got the Botox yesterday 05/28/2021 in the afternoon and was told to see pain relief in about 10 days and three days maybe at the earliest. Shall see.
Did the Botox help?
@@envenable It did for TMJ/TMD. The problem is the source of the issue is Generalized Anxiety Disorder/Severe Stress causing the clenching. Many doctors and dentist mistake this. Took nearly 3 years for a doctor to catch it. Antidepressants and mental health needs to help resolve. Hope this helps you.
@@nrp5791 it does! Thank you!!
Hello, can you please help if Botox really does help? Thank you.
@@mnnaya77 I have been diagnosed with an Anxiety Disorder. It's understood now that it has nothing to do with my spine. The Botox does work for TMJ/TMD. Afterwards your jaw may feel weak but the ache goes wayyy down. Hope this helps.💚
Omg thank you! I'm half way through your video and I just had to share that my symptoms are so similar to yours!! I think that my bite was interrupted and my jaw and body compensated when I started having issues with a bad cavity. So I stopped chewing on the left side of my jaw for the longest now that I think of it! So then I got a root canal on that side and didn't get a crown and so my symptoms started to persist and it's been 8 years! I got an x-ray of my neck and they said its straight and I'm scared of going to a dentist just because of the costs but I've been having really bad head tightness, ringing in my ears and I think my back pain could be due to this jaw misalignment! I also do want to mention that it did make it hard for me to speak as well the weirdest thing. Might be due to not taking in enough oxygen, the nostril of the same side that I had constant head tightness and pressure, was closed on a daily basis!
Aren't all the symptoms so crazy?? It's such a tough thing to figure out. Did you end up moving forward with a treatment?
I'm glad I found your video I have all the symptoms you mentioned as well as excruciating pain on left side jaw that well go down the front of my neck down side if mu throat couldn't swallow water ,meds,or even my saliva.All got worst after 3 years of wearing aligners only to be left with my teeth not touching on either side.I feel exhausted and desperate.
@@chiquitababy5 did you wear splints?
It's your trapezius muscle btw! Thank you so much for this info.
This is neat !!
I've been looking for non Surgical options
Yay I'm glad it helps!!
Hi Kellsie, I came across your video from it just popping up since I've done soooo many searches on TMD. I was involved in a cycling accident 7 months ago, and along with a fractured C3, and many fractured facial bones, my jaw was displaced. It looks very much like yours in that it slants to one side and the teeth do not touch on "either" side! Eating has been limited to soft foods or carb type foods that can be mushed up in my mouth. 12 sessions of PT did nothing to help and I am seeing my 2 oral surgeon today hoping I don't need surgery and can go the route of the appliance that you use. Thank you for posting and best wishes on your journey to normalcy. I hope to on that journey today also!
Oh my goodness I'm so sorry about that accident, what an ordeal to go through, I'm so glad you survived! It's definitely worth looking into, one thin I'll say though that has become very clear to me now that I'm 2 years into this process - it is quite uncomfortable and significantly reduces the ability to speak for several months, super unlikely that insurance will cover it, it's slow - and I'm in the final phase of my invisalign now and my teeth still don't touch and my face is possibly more crooked? BUT the jaw pain is 80% diminished. I'm not sure if I'd say it's worth it or not yet. I have at least 6 more months to go and will update then! Please feel free to keep us updated here as well with your journey, thank you for sharing!
So I had the issue with TMJ! After an accident i had scar tissue in the condoyle area! This was in my early 20s and the pain was intense. At 26 I had arthroscopic surgery to clean out the scar tissue followed by braces! Pain receded and my open was much better! The pain and clicking would come back periodically and I will have the pain! One thing I noticed is that my teeth while straight would not touch on one side when I bite! And I did have that crooked look. At 48 I decided to fix my bite! I wanted Invisalign but my orthodontist, who treated all my kids, recommended the classic braces but I had the tooth colored ones on top. This was to get optimal results. I can tell you, I am so glad. My teeth touch and I will be getting the braces off soon I think. I am about 24 months in. More importantly, I don’t have the pain even sporadically. I think it’s because my bite dynamics is better. Also, I don’t have that asymmetry anymore. At least I don’t see it.
My orthodontist is a genius! I plan to wear my retainers religiously.
How is it going now?
Thank you so much for this!
Now all my weird symptoms are making sense.
How is the TMJ now?
ups and downs! Sometimes it's a 3/10 other times it flares up at a 7/10 but still in progress in this treatment so I'm hopeful
Can I ask if you had a hard time swallowing food as one of your symptoms? Or feel like food was getting stuck?
Hi! Is there a part 2 now ?
Hi Mam I am watching your video right now from start to finish...I am in extreme pain with my TMJ and it really brings me a terrible discomfort with my day to day activities. I could hardly eat anything now as it really painful to chew and open up my mouth literally for about 3 weeks now. I keep searching for a non-surgical solution and I feel how you've gone through this kind pain and experience as I do at this moment. I was thinking, perhaps, if I only have health insurance here in UAE then maybe I could go for immediate surgery to end the pain quickly because it's really painful in my ear and jaw down to my neck. I've tried to massage and put essential paint relief rub every time but no effects at all. I wake up in the morning and same thing happens. I just hope that it will be gone naturally. I can hear the crackling sound as well as you've mentioned in the video aside from extreme pain. I've actually done a lot of jaw exercise but to no effects at all.
Hey Archie! Did you end up doing the surgery? How did that go?
Hello how are you?
Interesting how it affects the spine. I also have a straight neck spine and was wondering if it has a connection to it.
right! So interesting seeing the full connections of the body
Who else has the same tmd and eustachian tube blocked due to cervival spondylosis
Explain did you ever got ringing ear , facial itching, nerve tingling on head and face , tooth and face pain , all trigeminal neuralgia symptoms with horrible ringing ear, ever recovered
These are tmj problem not with neurological
Thank you so much! i think this is exactly the treatment I need! I don't know how my TMJD happened exactly but it has to be a combo of things. How are you now? I am on my way to getting treatment. My jaw pain is mostly gone, but my mouth feels so narrowed and also my bite is off and uncomfortable to eat.
It's definitely still uncomfortable to eat, my teeth still dont touch. I'd say I've gone from a 3/10 to a 7/10 but I still have 6 months of treatment left to go
Part 2??????
Hello did you do any chiropractic treatment. I am going through the same thing right now.
I have the issues you have and have the same splint in right now and will have for awile
How did you sleep I’m 33 I don’t think I can keep my job. I’ve experienced nerve damage and spine fullness happening in flares gets worse on break trying to not collapse my bite I even got headaches eye
Did your pain go away from your neck and shoulders wearing the splint if it did long did it take ? I have over 2 months wearing the splint .
Hot Shots how are you symptoms now getting any better?
@@melissaquintero7201 is been a battle my doctor had to make adjustments on my splint I been feeling better , but still working on it .
Honestly I don't think the neck and shoulder /back pain has diminished at all but the jaw pain went from a 80/100 to around 20-30/100 with some flare ups. I'm about 2/3 of the way through treatment so far, still hopeful for the end!
@@KellsieMoorehow is it now?
@@KellsieMoorewhere is your update video??? Part 2?
How do you feel now in terms of overall pain? I have tmj too and I need help
Pain is SIGNIFICANTLY improved! But it is uncomfortable in it's own right and I really look forward to this process ending 😅
So, how about your next phase? Is this appliance calls Splint?
So phase 2 was awful - wearing the expander, the splint [lower facial appliance, is genuinely what my ppl called it but others refer to it as a splint], and metal braces at the same time was painful and created a significant lisp and mouth fatigue that I could barely talk for about 9 months. It created a type of depression in me that I did not expect, coupled with other life circumstances at that time it was incredibly difficult and changed a LOT about my life. This is the big reason why I haven't made updated videos, it still feels heavy to talk about it because I'm still in the process. I'm not on the other side yet. I'm in the third phase now with Invisalign and it's okay. My TMJ pain is down from 8-9/10 to 2-3/10 which is amazing. My face is still crooked and my teeth still do not touch which creates dental problems. I honestly have no idea how they will ever touch at this point and it gives me a feeling of extraordinary frustration, anger and some hopelessness about it. I really do want to provide an update because I'm so glad this is creating awareness that there are other options but I have no clue is this is the right and best treatment for other people or not. I'm still not sure if I recommend it, if I'd say it worked or was worth it yet. Insurance finally covered 50% which helped but it's been a long road.
How is the cracking sound now? I have cracking sound after wearing the splint too !
I have a terrible TMJ. How do you call that non surgical procedure and the cleared-like brace?
Thanks for sharing 💜
What kind of doctor/dentist did you see for this treatment? Thanks.
how are you after 3 years ?
Also where is this dentist ?
Mine is in Denver, CO, USA, Dr. Kent Lauson, author of "Straight talk about crooked teeth" you could probably ask dentists if they've read that book and if they offer similar treatments for TMJ
How are you now?
Definitely better with symptoms but my teeth still don't touch and my jaw still gets sore. I'd say I've improved from a 3/10 to a 7/10 - still going, about 6 months left of treatment yet to go
@@KellsieMoore good luck :)
Hi, 10000 $ is for full and complete treatment or only for the first fase, the fase with the device?
With this doctor, it's all included, the entire process. thank goodness!
Is tmj problm happens due to artharitics and what is solution plz suggest
My jaw condyle is reabsorbed is it treated with non surgical treatment
I am going through this aswell. Did you do chiropractic treatment for your neck pain ?
Hey! Sorry you're going through it too :/ I've done chiropractic care for most of my life and I've found that it's helpful as support and supplemental care for sure. This Dr. is in Denver, Colorado. I hope it helps!
Any updates?
Hi! Thank you, I"m so sorry I don't have an update video posted yet, I filmed it twice but had audio issues with one recording and lost one of my video hard drives during our move :/ I will be making it again though to get that posted soon! I'm now on phase 3 with invisalign only and it's brought my symptoms down from 80-90 out of 100 down to about a 30/100 so it's definitely helping. But it has been a JOURNEY going through this with ups and downs for sure, but overall I'm very encouraged.
@Kellsie Moore did getting eating with it get better? I got mine today I can't eat with it ):
@Kellsie Moore did invisalign bring back symptoms? That's what I'm worried about because that's why phase two
@@rachelc653 it's back and forth honestly, some weeks my symptoms are back down to a 20/100 and sometimes [like right now] they are at a 70/100 especially with the rubber bands moving the jaw position. I've been hesitant to share an updated opinion yet since I'm still in the thick of it and it's a ton of back and forth. I'm staying hopeful. I avoid eating spinach and rice and other small/thin things are are very difficult to chew.
@@KellsieMoore I'm in orthotic since yesterday. I can't eat anything it's horrible.
Hey was your opening restricted?
I think so, I don't know by how much but at the dentist I always have to tell them I can't open my mouth very much and not for very long
What is the device that brings your jaw forward called?
They just call it a facial appliance as far as I know 🤔 I’ll ask and see if it has a specific name!
@@KellsieMoore do you know the name now?
@@mrskul7025 I asked and they just said lower jaw facial appliance, not super specific unfortunately
It’s a dental splint also called as a bite splint
Its called a gnm orthotic. Kellsie loved this video, would you mind updating on this? Would love to know your recovery story :)
Who is your dentist/doctor?
How do the dentists know how much to push your upper and lower jaw forward or backwards (depends on the case) to get the right position of your bite? Thanks
The position of condyles relative to surrounding tmj complex
If you look up neuromuscular dentistry you will get more information. They use a EMG and some sort of technology to track the jaw and muscle reactions.
Not a lot of great doctors here that find believe able
How is your treatment going?
Really well so far! I actually go in for phase two at the end of the month and will be doing an update video when that happens to share everything! But so far, my jaw pain is WAY down and my mouth is now used to the retainer thing even though it still creates a bit of a lisp.
@@KellsieMoore Glad to hear! Have you been eating with the appliance in?
@@TheIckster3 yes definitely! You really do have to eat with it for your mouth muscles to retrain and it becomes super easy, normal and comfortable to do so after about a week 🤗
@@KellsieMoore help me my jaw condyle is reabsorbed can it be treated without surgery
did I also experience eye pain or eye socket pain pressure my eyes would get dark
oh no I'm sorry that happened! I get some pain above my eyes but nothing that made it go dark
@@KellsieMoore not even dark they go red .my eye socket is redddish all the time doctors don't know what it is
@@ilqar887 I'm so sorry about that, I have no idea :(
It also hppnd with me too..bloodshoot eyes..It s due to severe eye pressure .bro If the problem is due to bad bite u have to crct bite using CBCT and using emg to get crct force being applied to the muscle around there..My advice to u is that pleasw hold some plastic pentop between your teeth so that the wont come in to contact..My problems gets reduce by 80% when i do that..