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The theory on incorrect fuel pipes is a good one. This is an old boat that will have rubber fuel lines. Today’s diesel contains vegetable based esters, which turn rubber into hard coal. I think you need to replace every fuel hose in the boat. And flush out every steel pipe to remove the “coal”.
Yes you are right on the money there - cut open the lines too
I was thinking the same thing those things look like chuncks of hose.
Soon as I saw the black inner fuel line, I got the same feeling.
My problem with my OLD boat was diesel bug, I'd tried circulating filters, polishing, new lines etc. Cured it in the end with new engines fuel system and two tanks.
I am sure its the NEW diesel, when changing the rubber lines don't forget the diesel will also eat any rubber joints in connectors filters etc so change them as well!
I was thinking the same thing but couldn’t figure out why it was inside the tank unless it’s coming in through a return line but that’s all guessing
Next week, Simon and Gemma ditch the engines and build a mast
What you thought a smaller boat would be less troubles? The issues are just closer together.
😂😂😂 Never thought of it like that before
HAHAHAHA @7:48 burning those fossilized dinosaurs and the kid with mental problems and the ear of many of the worlds "leaders" giving you the "how dare you" was a master stroke of funny editing. Made me spray my coffee
As a boat owner I feel your pain. I had all sorts of issues with my first boat and went from one crisis to the next. Two engine rebuilds later I had a working boat, then a partial sinking meant a new starter motor, alternator and battery. That was three boats ago and now I have a lovely boat and great days sailing. What I mean by all this is that it will work itself out in the end. I wish you every success. You both deserve it.
al;l those should have been checked and rechecked.
Use a temporary day tank. Then have the tanks polished.
probably fixed by now, a 12 gal tank from outboard connect straight to filter. If it works---- you know where problem isnt.
"How dare you!!!" LOL!!! You could always do an auction with your bits of coal ... might help cover the costs of the pulling back out!
High quality production with the usual realities of boat life. May I suggest (with no great experience other than old bangers and motorcycles) that these chunks could be from the linings of hoses and lines affected by the fuel over many years. Are the main filler pipes to the tanks metal? In the past has a fuel filter disintegrated? It appears to be just one engine affected, interesting. Simon you WILL fix of course. Here we have the makings of another epic U-Tube channel.
Agreed, the hoses may have degraded over time but what if someone changed a hose in the past for one that was not diesel rated? It might be worth biting the bullet and re-plumbing the fuel delivery system with quality diesel fuel hose and metal hard lines where you can. The fuel tank will probably need cleaning out as well. The coal reminds me of the partially burnt fuel that coated the inside of all the cams and gear around an injector on a Merc engine that I had, of course it can't be unburnt/semi-burnt fuel but that is how diesel can degrade.
On the alignment of the props a double cardan between the output flange and the prop could solve the misalignment issue or maybe a rubber coupling that must be available for the torque (Porsche used to use guibo joints on the output shafts of their Can Am racer that produced 1100bhp and they were under considerably more stress than your props). I would imagine that the damage inflicted on the props knocked the engines out of alignment.
You guys are just awesome, a massive inspiration. There's no mountain you two can't conquer and you still manage to put out a video despite all the grief.
Fingers crossed you get a bit of luck and can sort it quickly 🤞
Great video you two. Remember the time when you had a crazy idea to do up a boat, depite neither of you having any ship building / repair experience? Now look at you, great team work and your cobined skil set have made fantastic progress with Sarinda. I have no worries at all that you will get the issues resolved and have great family times at sea. 🙂
God bless you for your patience with the boat and not turning on each other. ♥
The Gretta moment.. video of the year!! Literally lmao!!!😂😂😂😂😅
Welcome to the wonderful world of “fix your boat”. I’m sure at this point you now understand why boats get abandoned.
The financial constraints often make it impossible to do what you eventually realize is necessary. It’s a big challenge. As frustrating as this experience has been, you are learning. Many of us have been where you are. Seeing Simon standing in the bilge between the engines, surrounded by tools brought back many memories from 50 years ago!
The truth of owning larger boats is you probably spend as much or more time on maintenance as you do enjoying the boat. But, in the end this is going to help you manage Sarinda.
I would suggest the problem is degradation of any old rubber hoses. Diesel now has bio derived addatives similar to the situation with petrol. Both fuels require modern tubing if problems are to be avoided. For petrol the standard is SAEJ30R9. Not sure if it is the same for diesel. Looks like you will not only have to rinse out the tanks but will also have to replace all the lines. If any team have the fortitude to overcome these issues then you two certainly have. Good luck.
NOoooo don’t lose morale Simon just look back at what you’ve both taken on and I think you’ve both broke it’s back, for all you’ve done in the past your new boat has teething problems that I’d be confident in knowing you Can sort it. It’s another learning curve and think of the happier days your family and friends can have on the high seas, you have to take the rough with the smooth and going back to my days at sea I remember weighing it up and there were far more good and fun days. Wishing you Gemma and family many many happy sailing days ahead.
I got clogged fuel filters very often until I cleaned the fuel tanks. I have mild steel tanks that hadn't been cleaned since the boat was built in 1986. There were no inspection holes so I cut two Ø 50 mm holes with a hole saw. Flushed out a couple of kg of rust and gunk with the pressure washer. Then the filter problem was solved but a couple of days later, I found one of the tanks had a small dripping leak. The rust had kept it tight and then a small pore opened. I sprayed the inside with Por 15 tank sealant and since then, no problem. Removing the tanks would require removing the engines so I'm very glad the tank sealant worked.
Hang on in there guys! You are such an inspiration and the biggest challenges often turn out to generate the biggest successes I’m sure you know that x
I’m so sorry that you are suffering these problems, you both have a great attitude despite the problems . Good luck ❤️
Great video, you are both such positive people, nothing really phases you. Looking forward to the next episode 👏👏
Several cups of tea and a few Mars bars and Simon will have it fixed. Nothing stops him. 👍🎣
I feel it for the both of you, fingers crossed for things to work well.
Black deposits could have been in the fuel pipes/tubes and it is slowly breaking off. Probably restricting the pipes on the low power engine. Worth changing all the fuel pipes or at least removing them and rodding through. Only place I can think it is coming from as your tanks were clean and you did the filters.
i was going to say this too.
They posted pictures of the fuel tanks and they were full of deposits.
You might have to loosen the p brVketd to get the alignment right. Then retighten
I don't think they were until after they ran the engines properly in the water. They almost emptied the fuel tank in a previous episode and they were clean from what I remember.
@@neilfuller3172my thoughts exactly. It could be the inner of the return line if this cycles back to the tank. I've had these lines break down on an outboard before. However, I am also fairly sure Simon would have checked this before removing the tank, I guess we will see next time!
At the end of the vlog at least your shafts were straight and Gemma had a smile on her face 👍🤣😂🤣
I suspect getting those tanks out and changing the fuel hoses will be the way forwards. Good luck!
Bless, you still manage a smile even when it’s all going to rats. It’s so frustrating but we know you’ll succeed.
I know it's discouraging, but what you are seeing is not particularly awful for a boat that hasn't been used recently. Shafts are hard to align, but you'll get them right. Your fuel problems won't go away until you clean out your tank, but once you do you will feel like total experts on how to clean it up. You are learning and you are learning fast. Keep it up and in a few years down the line you will be amazed at the reliability and confidence you have achieved. (Edit: this brings back memories of my Tiara Open. One of the best things I ever did was empty my tanks, heavily scrub them with soap and water and degreaser, power wash, rinse, then rinse with mineral spirits)
I’ve just rebuilt a car diesel engine that was coked with soot. But when I got into the job there’s was lots of messed up stuff. Nothing was especially expensive but it did demand a full strip and rebuild. Anything less would only have bitten me later.
The tanks might not be especially dirty. However, you will need to replace ALL rubber fuel lines and blow through all metal pipes. Methyl ester (biodiesel) turns rubber into hard coal. Even silicone rubber can’t handle it. Modern diesel contains about 10% biodiesel. It also loosens sludge from the tank bottom.
It’s probably wise to check the injection pumps as they might have rubber seals.
@@davidelliott5843 This is correct. Additionally biodiesel (RME) is very bad due to the buildup of microbial contamination (Diesel bugs) in the tanks and filters. Use only marine diesel that is RME free.
Normal boatlife. Nice to see you two. Especially Gemma.
Great video, keep your spirits up, you will get it sorted 👍
Owning a boat is akin to digging a hole down the garden and keep throwing money in it.
You two are so resilient and resourceful. You have amazingly good (no great) inventive and logical problem solving minds. I know you will get to the bottom (of them tank) of the issue and find the problem/solution. Cannot wait for the next episode 👍👍👍🙂
Feeling the pain with you! Hard as it undoubtedly is, there is no good alternative to going back to square one and reworking based on the insight you have gained. I am confident you can do it!
I'm So sorry for you both. I do hope you get things sort soon. Fingers Crossed
Problems with the fuel is often a tankless job... Tank goodness for skilled mechanics.
Lots of how-to info on the internet. BTB, I have been a happy (but poor--I used to have a sailboat 😬) follower. Keep up the good work!! LOVE your posts!
So been there, happens way too often for my liking. The pressure you put yourself under! You guys have done an amazing job on that boat, of course things won’t work straight away. You’ll look back on this time and drink to the memories while in a bar next to some harbour, exchanging stories with other sailors. Hope it all works out and I’ll look out for you at the boat show.
I do miss the day I worked on boats. Love the sound of that turbo spooling up. Never had them on the old Listers and Kelvins I worked on. I'm sure you will both get things sorted then you can start to enjoy trips with the family.
I had a problem with my port engine staying at high idle after a run. It's been this way for 2 seasons and through 2 mechanics that couldn't figure it out . Thank goodness for RUclips videos like yours. The problem was not systematic of the part failure and led me to other potential part failures. I finally found a video that described my problem and I bought the new part and fixed it. Be patient and if it's late and you're tired wait til the next day. Something my mother taught me years ago when I had no patience.
You're feeling defeated and tired, but you're both so resilient and so brilliant at problem solving you'll get the job done. Wish I could help financially but I watched all the adverts from start to finish to help increase your revenue a bit!! Good luck, love watching your vids x
Hi, I had a 56ft Boat in Spain, and very similar problems, I totally agree all new fuel lines, and what we ended up with was a string of pre filters reducing in size and also run a very good additive.
Happy boating
Peter
Man, you guys will get this sorted! It sucks now but some day soon you’ll look back on this and laugh.
You both are an inspiration to all, from another boater who is doing the same of recommissioning a boat that has done nothing for 4 years you show the highs and lows, keep up the good work and when it’s done you’ll laugh at the lows….
Love the Greta bit had me crying 🤣
No stopping you two, never seen that problem, maybe tanks out and then clean. Go for it
Love the vids and commitment. Great stuff.
Glad you enjoy it!
How sad for you two the way you both work to achieve your sometimes impossible aim but there is another day tomorrow not started yet I feel positive you will overcome all your woes keep you chins up and carry on, good luck to you going forward.
Boat = break out another thousand
Hopefully another 10 thousand each engine rofl 😂
Hiya
So sorry thst uou sre having problems. Can i make two suggestions. One, as the hull has been out of the water on blocks and stands, it had probably taken up a very slight diffrrent shape. Now its back in the water it is gradually returning to normal, hence your alignment issues. Two,can you not use some 5 gallon plastic tanks of known clean diesel to get you home.
Good luck, love all your videos.
Chris and Claire. el Campello Spain
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Good suggestion. Use temporary tanks to bypass trouble and if that solves the problem use them to get home and final solution. (I know, I know, you've already decided to return to the hard)
😮 amazing video, great work and determination, you'll be sailing into the sunset soon enough. Mike
What I like about you guys, is you're not afraid to show the rough as well as the smooth. It gives your videos a real authenticity. Hang in there, everything with come good in the end
You guys are simply amazing how you keep hanging in there!
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Oh, G & S. I'm sorry you have been experiencing so many issues with the new boat. It must be very frustrating and you both look knackered at the end of this episode. It must be especially frustrating not to be able to see/access the entire fuel system to see where the blockages are. But, as usual, I am so impressed with your stick-to-it-ness and methodical way of diagnosing what is happening (ruling things out as you go.) So much patience. I would have thrown in the towel, but not you two. I hope the news improves for you on this adventure, since this is supposed to be the "fun boat" for family outings now while you continue working on Sarinda. Fingers crossed.🤞
Sounds like new fuel lines are in order. It sounds like you have crystallized fuel in the fuel lines which means you will continue fighting this until it finally flushed out completely. Keep your head up mate, you’ve come so far! 👍👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🤘🏻🤘🏻
Hang in there guys! 👍
Oh ship🫢
I truly hope that you can get Boutari sorted out!
😘😘😘❤
Hi Simon, others have suggested to replace the fuel lines with new. Also might want to check the conditions of the engine mounts specially if they’re rubber.
beautiful music at the start, boat looks and sounds great
+1 with the day tank idea. That some hose in the fuel system is degrading from the inside out is feasible too.
Great video guys. Been there done that. At least you guys have each other to bounce against.
Keep your spirits up. You will get this working fine. when we took our diesel tank out to clean even after rinsing it with petrol it looked clean until we put the tank cleaner in, the amount of sludge that then appeared was frightening in what looked like a clean tank. Unfortunately taking the tanks out was the only way to fully clean the system and yes we replaced, pipes filters and fuel. Keep up the amazing work on both boats. Poppy’s crew
Poor you guys, what a nightmare. Go home and get some sleep Simon and Gemma. Your both awesome but get some rest. Then you will feel better. All the best from us. 😊😊
You will get it all sorted out and fix it!!
Hoping to catch up with you both or either today at the Southampton boat show but missed out. Found the fishing stand but the rain was too heavy for it to be working.
Cheers from Brazil 🇧🇷!!!
You'll get there! Onwards!
Is this where the ‘2 best days of boat ownership’ saying comes from?
You’ll get there in the end 👍
😪 Been there. Old boats seem to always have at least one major problem that was never fixed by the last owners. Maybe they never knew it was a problem, or could not / would not figure it out. Perhaps that is why it never went anywhere when they had it. Mine had a cracked cylinder, corroded electronics, illegal plumbing, worn out shaft seals, no zincs, etc. etc. On the bright side, once it is all fixed and running smoothly you will be even more married to the boat and proud of your accomplishments. It's easy to get frustrated and depressed. It's a learning experience. Call it training. Now, if something happens at sea with these systems, you are more likely able to do repairs from the knowledge gained that others might never have experienced. 😌
Anyone who has messed around with boats feels right with you. It will be worth it! I add my vote for replacing all the fuel lines. The coal looks like the lining of the hose, hardened with age. Suggestion: add a clear filter housing with no filter right after the tank so solid bits can settle out and you can see any that might be in the system. Like a water trap, but for large particles. You could also add a screen to the pickup tube in the tank. Both of these are to get any bits in the pump or hard lines.
When you align the engine, you need to get top-bottom as well as left-right.
We're right behind you! You will do it!
Chin up. Patience and perseverance. You’ll get there. It’s a beautiful boat. Worth the effort.👍🏻
What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger,, you guys so got this,, hang in there...
Thanks for responding , yes it was the port engine i was mistaken i was watching the stern of your boat at the exchaust. Thanks for responding. i wish you and wife and family a nice weekend: Regards Daniel:
G'day Crew...
I'm sure you will figure this issue out and solve the problem.
Fitting internal tank strainers/gauze or a sediment trap of sorts .
Good luck with it .
Respect....!
She's delightful....the other 1/2 can go overboard but she's a keeper....
You should have pumped out all of the diesel, cleaned the tanks and replaced all fuel lines along with all fuel filters.
They say the two happiest days of owning a boat is the day you buy it and the day you sell it. But they do say a lot.
Guys I haven’t read all the posts but I have read quite a few so may I suggest that you rig up a temporary tank with fresh fuel disconnect your existing lines and hook up to the temp tank this will get you going so you can relocate just make sure you have a spare top up tank of fuel to make sure you have enough fuel to get you home ,…oh needles to say strap your temp tank down to secure it safely?. I recon this will do the job good luck Dave
Thanks!
Thank you so much, really appreciate your support xx
Like Gemma, Italian Gastro doc was very good at innuendo!!
Keep your spirits up you two, the secret to any sea boat is to know it backwards and inside out. Avery good job your both good on the spanners and stay at it, as a lot wouldn't and why some boat are cheap. The upside to your downside you could be paying anything over £50 / hour for someone to sort it for you. Lovely craft when you have it sorted and forget all you teething problems, but anything to do with sea going boats with engines is never cheap and always time consuming, not to mention the head trip it can send you on. When ticking like a clock it will all be worth it. I changed to a rag and stickman way back so at least it doesn't now cost a fortune in diesel.
Like your taste! Blue lines, blue bumpers, blue Bimini… maybe a name change? Linda Ronstat? Blu-bayou!!!
You pair have worked so hard trying to get your boat up and running and it seems one disappointment after another but you never let it phase you .
You just get on with the job at hand and try to sort out the problems.
Love watching your videos from over here in Australia but sometimes I find Simon a bit hard to understand.
Well I hope the problem gets sorted out and doesn’t cost you a fortune and once it’s fixed the whole Family will enjoy many happy adventures on it .
Damn, that looks frustrating! You two always just, crack on! Repeat after me. "this boat will be fun, this boat will be fun, this boat will be fun..."
Once you get your fuel system clean, I would dose the fuel with an antibacterial additive.
I think you also found out how the previous owner ran aground...he probably lost power.... Keep going, you guys are pretty ingenious. You'll come up with a work-around.
Fuel without good stabilizers turns into varnish over time, so I would say what you are finding in the fuel system is hardened varnish. You should be able to find a fuel additive to dissolve the varnish. Injector clean should have a varnish dissolver in it. I would put a large amount in both fuel tanks and then run the engines enough to get it into the cylinders. Good luck, David.
Did you check the tank breather ?? Insects build nests in pipes !! The alignment can ONLY be done afloat and looking back you used a lot of sideways force to remove the P bracket which possibly has put it all out of alignment.
Here in Australia we have a saying about boat -(Bring Out Another Thousand) , your diagnosis is pretty accurate old rubber and new diesel are not a good combination, the only suggestion I have is replace all fuel lines and the vibration could be even though the shafts and props were straightened were they balanced after the reconnection to the motors , just a suggestion but I’ve seen this before and balancing was the cure , I know it’s down heartening and bloody expensive but it is a learning curve for you for the future , keep your heads up remember there are a lot of people out here in RUclips land watching and swearing at the machine with you, all the best from Tasmania Australia 🇦🇺
Hi the word is Perseverance which you have both shown you have plenty ,carry on . Allan
Nice goin Gem ✋[Hi 5] wondered about, where she stood on stands. I don't remember the big bloke behind the wheel, its not Robbo and its certainly not Janice. 😂 Richard, we've met before, wasn't he the bloke that took you for your Skippers Endorsement? FAILURE MY A*S*! Teething troubles is all. Next fortnight you be pushin the throttle forward on Bauttoo and takin orf again. You've still got a bit to do on Sarinda. Clean the little 2tone grey whatsit. You doin ok! Thanks m8s, keep up the good work.
Hi guys, you appear to have what's called blackjack or diesel bug in your tanks and filters. It forms when diesel sweats in the tanks and forms condensation which starts to grow microorganisms. You need to add a diesel fuel additive to kill it and always keep your fuel tanks full to eliminate the condensation. I would replace all your fuel lines, clean the racors thoroughly and keep a few spare filters on board, put in the additive and maybe polish the fuel you have before adding new fuel. Look at Diesel as a living fuel and stuff will grow in it. Most times a diesel engine will only stop for either a fuel or air problem. good luck with it.
Luv all your videos.
Let's see....no pain no gain? Sarinda will be a doddle after this.....seriously, this is one challenge I am certain you guys can overcome. Just think of the satisfaction and the freedom when you do. It's gonna happen!! Great work on Sarinda by the way. The old girl is feeling very much loved again. ☺
its why you have sea trials, remember even the HMS Prince of Wales had teething problems.
Modern diesil has bio fuel in it . If you leave it it goes mouldy and lumpy.
Bailey
hi had similar problems with my boat turned out to be the vent on the fuel filler cap worth a look as the tank vent on mine was blocked and i had same problems good luck Mike
That’s what old diesel varnish looks like. It breaks down and becomes a gum and over time will go hard and black. You will find it everywhere that diesel has sat for a long period of time, including coating the hoses. STAR BRITE Star Tron Fuel Tank Cleaner or a similar product can be used to eliminate the issue. Both gasoline and diesel will go gummy then sludge, then hard if left over a couple of years. Fuel can even go gummy after 3 months if left sitting without additives. You’re pretty much guaranteed that the engines weren’t winterized each season, so yes there will be lumps of ‘Simon’s coal’ ( that should be the new technical term for it) thru out the system.
Guys, well done so far, it may be prudent to re hose with the modern type fuel pipes, as well as incorporate additional in line fuel filters, until you can clean the CRUD out of your tanks. Happy Adventures.
Thats an absolute bummer. I feel the frustration. To mirror davidelliott's comment below, the 'coal' looks like hard rubber to me. I could be wrong, but hopefully its something as simple as that. I used to service Hydraulic Aircraft jacks. The big ones they use to lift the aircraft for maintance. They rarely lift their full capacity till annual test. I cycled a 60 ton jack up to max height and down again. All fine till it went into the test rig. It passed its test but wouldn't retract. I had to gingerly crack a nut on the lined to release pressure. The problem was the inner core of the only rubber hose between the reservoir and pump had broken up and blocked the system. Like supplying fuel to your engines under load; the high flow is possibly pulling this crap through the system. The boat looked good when running and handled well. Keep your spirits up; you'll get it sorted. Every faith in Simon.
We can see the strain on your faces in this video. The series of inevitable problem that occur when a vessel has been laid up for an extended period, especially after a prop strike, can feel like it is sucking the life out of you and your bank account. These are all normal recommisioning issues (apart from the engine alignment, that should have been picked up on reassembly, call it a learning curve). It's usually best to remove the engines and run them up out of the boat. Attend to all potential fuel system (including turbos), cooling system and electrical system issue, then reassemble and align. Even then problems in a boat this age can continue to surface for some time. It's a really tough business. Even doing the bulk of the labour yourselves its still incredibly difficult not to over capitilise on the project. It can seem endless and if you cant afford to keep going that is what it becomes. You guys are doing really well. As soon as I saw that composite fuel hose with the black lining I guessed you could have some major issues on the way, the stuck turbo doesn't bode well either but if you can push on and get to a point where your back to focusing on normal preventative maintence you will have succeded. Its a lovely boat and it deserves to be returned to service by a couple of die hard enthusiast like yourselves. Great videos. Love the ML videos too, a mates brother is restoring an ML here in NZ. If you can do that job you'll get through this lot ok. Don't panic, keep calm and carry on! 😊😢🎉
Hey stick at it, we are willing you on , great effort!
Thanks, will do!
For some reason I've got the okey cokey tune in my head. Knowing you two and your determination though, It will soon be replaced by Rod Stewart singing his classic "Sailing".
It seems you're well on the way to sorting out the vibrations, and it looks like you might be replacing or restoring the pesky fuel tanks. Fossil fuels don't belong in there and im struggling to understand how the bits are getting past the tank, but, no doubt Simon can and will sort that out. Always good to follow your adventures.
Going through this with my first boat at the minute although on a much smaller scale. Chin up guys.