THIS BOAT IS TROUBLE! Dealing With Diesel Bug On A Boat!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- After having issues when we launched our boat, we had no choice but to lift the boat back out of the water to fully assess all the problems, so we remove the fuel tanks and what we found inside and out was shocking!
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Good call to remove the tanks. Look back at your trial number 5; the port engine is steaming more than the starboard one. This suggests the heat exchanger may be constricted. It (they) can be descaled with acid. Watch the water temperature on your next trial. Keep plugging on, you will get there in the end. 😊👍
I would have suggested cutting the bottom off the tank, clean the sides baffles and underside of the top and welding a new skin on the bottom of the tank. While you have the tanks out add a drain port so when they are returned if you ever need to empty them it would just be a drain tap. Also when you put the deck back use bolts so you don't need to use a cutting disk to remove it.
Get new tanks
By putting a drain point at the bottom of the tank you run the risk of it leaking all the fuel into the bilge. Far better that all tank penetration points are in the top to avoid this.
Yes replace the bottom of the tank. But still cut access hatches into each section to weld the baffles in place and to help any future maintenance.
The deck beam needs to be fiberglassed back in place for the strength and also restore the integrity of the cockpit drains, otherwise the engine bay could flood.
@@marksouthall3737 Cost of new tanks far outweighs the cost of repairing them.
putting in a bung plug into bottom drain after the tap solves the problem of accidental spills
Can you use a degreaser solution to soak and penetrate. Then flush with power washer or an industrial steam cleaner. Probably close the back 3 and leave the front 3 as visible access hatches.
When you were siphoning the diesel out the tanks, you could haved used a funnel plus a filter medium (cheese cloth, fine strainer) in the funnel to catch particles. That full drum was a chore to move. Fill the drum halfway. Then use the smaller pails to top up the drum. Secure full drum on an upright dolly and transport to the truck. Would recommend using solvent resistant elbow length golves to minimize cuts and skin allergy issues. Halfway there.
I think you will have to bite the bullet and replace both tanks to be on the safe side. Poly or stainless is the way to go. Corrosion scabs in your tank will not get better only worse. Best of luck to both of you Regards Mike
yes I agree, It is better to be safe than sorry. well done for keeping your cool. ?
Must admit, I'd have gone for a pair of new poly tanks...
Me too tbh
Us to, but unfortunately we can't afford it!!
@@ShipHappensAdventures I'm not sure I'd want to be far off shore with those tanks however, considering that boat will fly across the Irish Sea for a nice weekend in Ireland.
There must be a way to completely empty and flush through a diesel tank and pipes. You decanted lots into containers and did a filter job when returning that lot to the tanks, but there was still residual diesel in the tanks and pipelines, so the system remained contaminated.
@@jimmyjohnstone5878 To me the problem is the tanks are rotten, rusted through.
total respect getting those tanks out Simon. Massive job well done.
I can see that you’ve moved heavy objects solo before. That has been my lot in life. Everyone calls me for help, yet rarely is anyone available when I’m in need. Great work you two.😁God’s Blessings from beautiful Cobbs Creek Virginia, USA
You can move anything with a big enough Lever and smart thinking!
More than 20 years ago I made a biodiesel reactor and bought a 205 litre barrel of methanol. OMG that was heavy. I had a pukka barrel barrow but had to strap the barrel on and get it into the garage.
Part of the process involved putting the freshly made biodiesel over clean water and bubbling air through. Silicons rubber tube (proof to everything (innit) and an aquarium stone and pump were set to work bubbling air through the setup.
24 hours later the stone was a pile of crumbs and the silicone rubber tube was like hard PVC and just as brittle.
Biodiesel also cleaned out my wax caked fuel tank and exposed a faulty fuel injector. But the 1995 engine loved it. Anything older would have needed new seals and flexible pipes throughout the system.
Obviously, this boat has not seen neat methyl ester but 7% sat for 10 to 20 years will do the job.
Simon, please wear eye protection when cutting fiberglass. In fact always when using an angle grinder, saw, etc.
Those black lumps are HCC scale, it's the same stuff you find in your oven and what is found in the heat exchangers in oil refineries, warning it burns very well it can also self ignite, would be a good idea to cut the bottom of the tanks off and have a good clean out and replace with new steel
So sorry for all this diesel crap. These tanks look like they’re at the end of their life. Push that boat out again and get new tanks! ❤️❤️
Using the same tanks will no doubt have a repeat performance in the future!
My tanks looked even worse but with some Por 15 tank sealant, they are still holding up four years later and I think they have many more years to come.
You guys are not "normal" and I mean that as a compliment. 90% would have just replaced those tanks rather than trying to save them. But you two are so exceptionally handy and innovative that you will save those tanks. That is what makes it so fun and informative to watch. Great job!
You two are absolutely fabulous, your dedication and hard work is inspiring. As a boat owner and a mechanic I applaud you for the work you are prepared to carry out in search of memories out on the water. A top team for sure.
What would new tanks cost
Looking at the state of those tanks I'd be tempted to start again, either with new tanks or fabricate them yourselves?
But you guys are brilliant, you'll sort it.
Agreed.. I think I would be getting some estimates for new tanks..
Thats what i love about this channel. Dunkirk spirit. Simon and Gemma will sort out whatever comes their way!
You two are text book examples of it is not what happens to but how you respond! Absolutely love how you two are persistent and overcome the issues encountered.!!
Simon did a massive job getting those tanks and the fuel out! Only thise of us who’ve done jobs like that on our boats can really appreciate the effort.
It’s sad to say that when buying a used boat, you get to find out why it was sold. Often the previous owner ran out of patience, or money or both and the buyer gets the result. You are going about this the right way. It’s discouraging to have to fix the things you can’t readily see, but that’s the reality. Keep this in mind while working on Sarinda. You are learning some of the many things that can be lurking unseen. Perseverance is the key. Find and fix, and repeat…
BTW, it was fun to see Emilia, casually stroll in front of the camera. You have a great family.
This series of videos on both your vessels is absolutely fascinating. As a suggestion, would it be more cost effective to have new fuel fabricated rather than spend lots of man/woman hrs in cleaning the original tanks followed by repairing them ?
Just a suggestion.
Keep up the good work 👍
Great work you two. Simon is a very clever bloke getting that drum in the van on his own.
Norman Cooper
I am a retired balancing engineer, and the firm that straightened the drive shaft and propellers should have balanced them, preferably on their respective drive shaft. unbalance will certainly give you the vibration your experiencing, and may pay you to investigate whilst the boat is on hard standing,
Great job with the tanks. I know it would be very expensive, but I would have the tanks examined by a tank expert. My suspicion is. after all those years, they are time expired and in the end after all you have gone through, the tanks will have to be replaced anyway. That also may apply to your navy ship. Good luck!
At least, now you know, you know for sure! I can only imagine if that full tank suddenly leaked the whole load into the bilge, and at the wrong time. You did the right thing in pulling the tanks, even if you have to re-manufacture them. You will know for sure that they are correct. Congratulations on doing what the former owner wouldn't do. Thanks for the video. Jon
Hi guys. I must say that you have a lot of energy, it's easy to lose motivation when everything is going against you, but you two go ahead and solve the problems, I am so impressed. A big hug to you fighters. 👏👍
Iam thinking simon should engage his mad welding skills and make up some new tanks
Me too. I wouldn't be trusting them tbh Richard.
The rust on the sidewalls is concerning to me. After cleaning, I’ve had tanks acid dipped, and lined to cover and encapsulate whatever rust is left. There are DIY kits available, but I always elected to have someone that does it all the time handle the job. Most radiator repair places do lining jobs, at least here in Dallas Texas😎
The crunchy stuff is mostly rust, not diesel bug: The tanks have sat with water in the bottom. Cut the bottom skin off & weld a new one on, but add a small sump with a drain valve so you can drain off any water periodically. You can give the old fuel a shot of biocide as a bit of insurance against future problems - we used to use one by Grotamar.
Simon, you are a madman for moving that barrel of diesel yourself!
Definitely work smarter not harder
We won't point out that moving that amount of fuel in a Transit van is somewhat illegal.
Just a thought, there is a lot of rust spots, which could mean leak problems in the near or far future. How much would new plastic tanks cost?, might be cheaper than fixing those steel tanks!!
Wow, Wow, Wow! What an incredible job! Took out these cute mini baby tanks all by yourself without any help and didn't lose the good mood, not even for a moment. That deserves all my respect!
At the very least i would cut the bottoms off both tanks and replace with fresh steel, that way you can access any dodgy looking rust spots on the rest of the tanks and treat/repair as necessary.
However I would love to see Simon fabricate new tanks from stainless or ally, but appropriate time and money is always an issue.
You guys always do such great work, keep it up, can't wait to find out what route you take.
I think U guys should replace those tanks! Start fresh & use POR 15 tank cleaner, acid & sealer on new tanks! U will never have an issue with fuel tanks again! If ur gonna try & save the old tanks, b sure 2 use the POR 15 kit 2 acid wash, clean & coat the inside! After welding up those holes, of course! Good luck guys! 👍❤️👏
Having seen the corrosion, I think I would ask around, but price up a stainless replacement or see if it is possible to galvanise the repaired tank including the pieces to cover the inspection holes.
I'm a biker , know absolutely nothing about boats but am absolutely enthralled by your channel . Your skills , knowledge and work ethic in particular should be shown in schools as an example . Good luck to you and your family and I'll look forward to seeing you enjoy all your boats , ps ,Simon how you got those tanks out by yourself was incredible , well done .👍
while you're at it with the fuel tanks etc, I suggest you change all the fuel lines as well
Great video's guys,... I was lucky to help my father re-build a 47ft, twin diesel motor yacht in the 1970's,.... His boat had been under water, in a fresh water channel in "Bowling Basin" off the Clyde. It sat under-water for 20 years before he bought it. Taking those tanks out was a great call,... but maybe start a tank replacement fund up to let your watchers get involved... NEW TANKS would be an investment in your boats future.
Great job guy's. Don't risk it.... New tanks. Those aluminium tanks look well past their sell by date. Good luck and keep smiling :-)
Their not ally their steel
@@quadrapoint Definitely aluminium.... See Simons comments further down. :-)
@@nofider1 corrosion on aluminium is white the corrosion patches in the tanks look red/brown indicating steel
With a sheet metal shear, brake and a tig welder, you can make up new custom tanks with not much trouble....mild steel, stainless, take your pick!
I removed a single 20 gallon historic steel tank from my 1976 Seamaster for the same reasons. Cleaned it and put it back, and it was fine for 6 weeks - then small leak at bottom plate on weld seam. Took it out again. Although no visible holes like you have, the bottom plate is worn and pitted in places. Re-plated (4mm) over existing, coming up sides 100mm. Re-fitted bottom 3/4" drainplug. No weld joints at base of tank as forged the steel around the old tank with 90 degree bend(like a pan) and continuous weld 100mm around the sides. So no weld exposed to boat hull. One guy at marina workshop said replace with new plastic tank (but I am old fashioned traditionalist)
Simon as we say in Ireland, 'Yer A Horse of a Man' getting a 200 litre drum into the van on your own, never mind getting the tanks out. Hopefully, fingers crossed you have broken the back of the issue. I would suggest you pressure test the tanks after all the welding etc. 15.7 /16.7 psi should be enough, once its slightly above 1 bar. Soapy water on any fittings & welds will show up a leak.
We once had a mobile water tank built in stainless steel. The guy who built never tested it. We did when we saw all the welds turning a wet shade. The welds were like Aero. He Tig welded it out doors and the wind blew the argon away from the weld.
These tanks are bogus, time for new plastic types . Or bag tank within the old tank.
Obviously keep you tanks full every time you leave it for while. This to prevent condensation inside the tank.
As I said before make a cross feed system and a filter unit that keeps pumping diesel around.
The correct way to fix the fuel tank issues, will be the one YOU pick. 👍👍
Keep at it. great update 2x👍
You know, i have a tendency to take in dogs that need a home for “just a few days” while the owners sort out some illness or issue or whatever…and a few months later, after massive vet bills for teeth or some other issue, hours of training, that dog is so dug into my sofa cushions, big grin on its face, and i realize ive been had again.
You two seem to collect boats that do the same thing to you! Ahh well, we love them, right?😅
Edit: ive considered getting a boat, and now that ive seen the condition of the Boutari tanks, i think i will stick with a kayak! Boats are above my paygrade! You two are amazing!
Great video, I felt your frustration with the sea trial. Well done on removal of fuel tanks. You have some great ideas and ability to work things out in a relaxed and informative way, very inspiring to see you working together on his project. Keep it up you are giving us a lot of entertaining and interesting videos. All the best.
I can see Simon welding up some new aluminium tanks in the near future.
My grandson and really enjoy your channels. Your boat adventures really brings use joy. He 7 wanting to build himself a big boat 🚢 that he can sail around the world 🌎.. So really thank you for helping him find something he interested in... He watches all your videos more than once...
Whats your grandsons name? I will have to give him a shout out!!
@@ShipHappensAdventures his name is Dalton... but grandpa gets to call him little guy. No one else can't.... to anyone else he ask them to call him by his proper name 😂
Agree 2 x new poly tanks, reduce weight and no corrosion in the future!
Thirty degrees odd - stick it on top of your internet router, it'll be about right! It's a good tip for yeast, or chilli plant seeds :)
Timely 'Ship Happens' fix! Good work guys! Welcome to the dirty hands boating fraternity!
I would save any future headaches and replace those tanks. You will sleep better 😎
Hi guys, wow I’m glad you took the tanks out and you had a good look at them imagine being in the middle of the ocean and all that diesel let’s go and one spark and I would’ve been all over love and appreciate you both and your family can’t wait to see this boat up and running again. Keep up the good work. Love your videos Cliff from Logan city Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺from the big island 🏝️🧑🏾🦽🦘🐨🐬🌏
Such an informative video. I never knew anything like diesel bug was a real thing. Ad equally didn't know that smelling such contaminated diesel fuel could make you sick, either. I have to say you two are not even scared to tackle removal of the tanks even a little bit. Others would have paid to have the tanks removed. But you two are always up to the heavy work challenge. I am not so sure I would put those tanks back in. I would look for replacements and know that issue is totally behind me than... JMHO Thumbs Up!
Wow, I was surprised you had diesel issues when you checked the one tank and it looked good. Something tells me the previous owner cleaned that once section for selling.
Yup, that's a mess. I originally started out watching this channel because I was thinking about getting a bigger cruiser type boat but it would have to have been at least 20 years old to be in my budget. From watching your channel and others I've decided to keep my 21' Bay boat and focus more on rebuilding vintage 70's motorcycles. Much cheaper and the tanks are much easier to remove. Still like watching your escapades with boat work though. Thanks.
When you put the diesel back in put a diesel bug additive just on the off chance. I agree with jimclark aswell.
Great job. I am surprised at the amount of rust. That part is not good. At least now you know the condition of your tanks and fuel. Seriously, Look at H2Out filters for your vent lines to keep the water out of the tanks and getting the nasties back in the tanks. Looking forward to the next video on this project. Cheers.
I feel your pain and sympathise. We flush 1000 m3 fuel systems here at work and you never know how bad it’s going to be until you get into it.
dam Simon you handled that drum of fuel like it was empty,
Real life popeye!
When I used to work on old British cars (particularly MGBs), we would often find that the tanks had rotted from the inside out. There were several companies who would clean the tanks, and then blow in fibreglass, effectively creating a fibreglass tank inside the old metal tank. When I lived in Canada, this whole process was only like CAD$100 per tank, so well worth it.
Then the old metal tank was free to rot away, and you'd be left with a perfectly shaped fibreglass tank that could not rot.
Perhaps this is something you could look into here.
What fun this woman is to have aboard your a lucky fella
Excellent video again. Interested to find out what type of repairs you will do! Rust is the enemy!!!
No wonder those engines were starving for fuel. You did a great job cleaning those tanks.
Thank you!
For me it would be new tanks at whatever cost . I understand saving money but know when to say when. much respect for RnR the tanks
Great video Gemma & Simon!! Lots of gunk in those tanks , my word!! I was thinking that you might have cut the bottom off the tanks and welded a new bottom piece back on after your cleaning but either way works Eh? I've seen others leave comments about your back Simon so there's no need for me to add my two cents , just don't want to see either of you get hurt.
The two of you are simply the BEST! 👍🇨🇦
You should really keep that boat on the hard until you can get new tanks made.
When you can see the pitting on the inside base of the tank, you know that the aluminum is really porous and at a point where it will fail.
At min, you should measure the tanks for size and have them ready for a fabrication shop to make new ones when the money is available.
I've been in that very same position with my boat. Great work and great videos. Thank you
a trick here is to buy a bidge pump and use that to pump out your tanks its faster just a thought: Regards Daniel, your wife is a great fishing lady!😅
Well done, just a thought though, I,m subscribed to 'Ship Happens' and when this channel came out, I assumed I was subscribed to this as well as U tube always 'suggested' I might like this, It was only today, when I came to comment that I couldn't find the vid in my subscriptions. Now subscribed, but maybe others are as naive as me 😁
Simon, I take my hat off to you for your perseverance. I love a challenge but this is a massive task but very rewarding once completed 👍😁
Pop for a couple new poly tanks, they'll last forever, are reasonably priced and you can get them in most any size. Steel tanks, especially once they've gone south will continue to be a PITA...
Gemma, try soaking those diesel soaked clothes in some DAWN washing up liquid water. It's supposed to take grease & oil out. I'm sure that it is sold in the UK. Soak them for a few hours in good warm water, wring them out, then try washing them. Hope it works for you! Hugs & tugs from Ohio USA! Maybe Simon will take his shirt off more often!! LOL
they say things happen for a reason, if you had never had the issues with the port tank, then you would never have found the holes in the starboard tank, imagine you had tried to do the 100 mile trip, on one tank, and that had developed a leak and dumped 300 litres of diesel into the bilge, that would have left you with a tank that wasnt reliably supplying fuel. big problem. It just proves you were right to haul her out again and sort it out. now have you fond the cause of the vibration, dont forget the final alignment has to be done in the water as once water pressure gets involved the hull can flex slightly and move the engine out of alignment from where it was done on the dock.
I suspect you may’ve discovered the reason behind the propeller and rudder damage…
Fuel blockage -> engine failure -> drifted onto a shoal -> prop and rudder damage.
Given your demonstrated skills and experience, I fully endorse other comments recommending fabrication of stainless steel tanks. You’ve got the perfect templates with the existing tanks to work off
Aluminum can be corroded by dry salt residue on the outside of the tank which is moistened by only air moisture. Costly investment would be have new ones built with stainless. and you will never have the problem again. repairing the tank is only a stop gap solution. But it will give you time to budget for a proper Stainless one.
Oh burger.....
What are the tanks made of - in some shots they look like steel, but in others aluminium.
Repair vs replace - that really depends on size and shape. If the tanks are a standard size (or at least one that a manufacturer lists and has in stock) then it may just about be cheaper. However given Simon's welding skills and the tanks being very simple cuboid rectangles repair by replacing the bottom (not patching) could well be far cheaper.
Certainly the fuel needs to be polished (de-watered and de-bugged by filtering) before it goes anywhere near an engine.
They aluminium, we're sure we can patch these up again
Yet another outstanding production and educational too. I hope one day you get an award for your output, you deserve it! Watch that back Simon, close to your limit there lifting those bloody tanks.
Other than the old fuel tanks that boat is solid hopefully you get it squared away and home good luck
Tanks for this episode
keep your tanks full when not in use and use a diesel bug additive on a regular basis. Most fuel now has an additive in the fuel at the pump so probably caused by low fuel in the tanks from new. the rust marks in the tanks strongly indicate moisture from half full up so tanks were probably only kept half full most of the time. with the rust holes in that tank and the repair on the other one I would seriously consider new tanks
Full respect for effort
At the risk of repeating other comments, I strongly suggest you seek professional advise concerning the rust spots on the tank sides and the overall condition of the tanks. You may be throwing good money after bad in an attempt to save. One positive is that you will have full documentation for the next owner to justify your asking price.
On another note. I recognise stubbornness when I see it 😂. Do it myselfism😊,
Simon probably knows this but if you repair the tanks paint the repair with cheap white emulsion then put an amount of diesel in any staining of the emulsion will highlight any seepage ?
Simon, Superman Pulling those Tanks...... I think i would have got some fresh Replacements..... Stella Effort......
Excellent guys
Hi Guys,
I strongly suggest you contact a diesel technical sales person. I have been retired for a number of years but some twenty years ago had problems with the diesel onboard several ships working in Canada. This was from a microbe that lives in diesel, but it actually needs fresh water in the diesel to breed and survive. There was available a fuel additive called "Bi-Bar" which killed the microbe. before refilling your tanks make sure there is no residual water and find the treatment equivalent of "Bio-Bar" in the Uk. My experience was in Canada. All tanks and each fill should be treated to prevent it coming back.
Check with, Shell Esso etc technical people they are much better to advise you. Good luck and thanks for the videos I really enjoy them.
My ol' boy skippered prawn trawlers most of his life and found that diesel bug is definately a thing. I was doing a stint on one of his boats once when bug shut down the auxillary engine. He just ended up always using the additive to kill off any bug from growing as a preventative measure.
I have to agree with the folks suggesting new tanks. You're just going to be chasing problem after problem...
All the efforts will be so worth it once your cruising along forgetting the mishaps with boat ownership...
My two pence.
Take the best tank you have there, and clean it, and it only.
Clean your fuel, and take both fuel and that one tank, back to your boat.
Fill up the one tank and drive your back home.
At home, in your leisure. Build ALL new tanks for it.
Good decision to take the tanks out. Its a shame they boat builder didn't design the tank layout for easier removal in the future? Its one of those situations where - 'why should I worry, its not me that will need to access them for cleaning etc'. Cheers and keep on steaming as they say. Ian - New Zealand
Good job guys 😊
scrap the tanks and refit with high grade LLDPE plastic 200ltr tanks
The right thing would be to REPLACE both tanks. Between the corrosion and the pinholes the risk is far too Great.
Here in America we soak our diesel covered clothes in Pine-Sol then in the wash to get the smell out. Great videos.
Great tip!
Proper Job, the boat will be much faster without those heavy tanks and all that fuel 🙂I had "the bug" in my Landy, difficult to believe anything can grow in such a hostile environment! As you say it was Black and Slimy orrid stuff.
I’ve seen a video from a canal boat driver where they had a similar problem with their fuel tank. Apparently there are companies that can clean the tanks and maybe the fuel as well.
I do wonder if water got into your tanks, especially salt water. That would explain the volume of junk. Maybe just leaving the tanks with little fuel in them allowed condensation to built up causing ideal conditions for bug growth? I agree with the comment suggesting a drain in the tank bottom preferably indent the bottom down and put a drain port in the indent. That way any water in the tank can be emptied out, or the tank drained fully.
Hope you get it sorted out - looks like a nice boat.
Brilliant well done 👍
on the plus side youve got the same to do on sirenda rofl put a kid in there with a hoover sorted
you could coat/paint the inside of the tanks with a fuel approved paint (paint your boat time). Ideally you would sand blast them first.
Or you could fiberglass the inside of the tanks (using a diesel resistant resin).
Bacteria grows at the junction of water and diesel fuel and blocks fuel filters and pick ups you need to treat your fuel with biocides to kill the bacteria. Your tanks should also have a spike down to the lowest point to pump out any water on a regular basis.
Selling this boat (when the time comes) will not be a problem, the buyer will be able to see all of the work and improvements and know what they are getting.
Make sure to get a linner sealant, you mix it up and then coat the insides of the tanks to protect them from rust an any future problems from the metal corrosion
I would make two new tanks , replace the fuel lines and fit over size filters ,or buy a grp tank , repairs are not a good idea !