Death and the Afterlife, Part I - Fr. Jeremy Davis
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2015
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Fr. Jeremy Davis is a priest/monk at St. Elijah Antiochian Orthodox Church in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. He gave this symposium on the subject of Death and the Afterlife. PDF handouts are available for download with each of the four talks.
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0:00 Enthusiasm
1:00 Syllabus
• What is the Problem of Death?
• What is the Solution of Death
• What happens to someone when they die? 2:28 Intermediate State of The Soul
• Resurrection and Judgement
• How should our lives be shaped by the Church’s Knowledge?
*Worldly Thoughts about Death*
4:22 Death is Natural: It’s part of life, the way things are full stop 🛑
5:09 Death is the end of existence or it’s a transfer from material to immaterial existence
5:57 When my biology ends, I end
*What does the World believe Afterlife is like?*
7:47 State of Joy
9:02 We try to ignore and minimize death and risk taking, and wastefulness
12:25 People Fear Death
⛪️
13:59 God did not intend Death to be
14:23 The Body has a role to play in the Afterlife
15:01 God Created The World To Live, Death is NOT Natural.
19:06 Dual Nature: Physical AND Spiritual
Breathe, Spirit, Alive
20:30 Body and Soul, both created in the image and likeness of God
The Union of Body and Soul make Beauty
23:10 Reincarnation is rejected under this Frame. We can’t be Reincarnated because it violates Personhood.
24:39 Prohibition of Cremation 29:07
28:08 Good World, Created by God
30:37 Exceptions in Extreme Cases, Japan 🇯🇵
Under Practical Necessity
Not Due to Spiritual Symbolism
32:53 9/11 Victims
34:17 Reunification of Body and Soul
35:11 Organ Donation - Giving of yourself to someone else, something positive. God can figure the Body situation out.
37:06 Where you’re buried does not matter, when we are risen, we will all come to the same place
38:29 Freedom From Necessity
39:13 Don’t Eat From That Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil🌳
41:24 God Warned Them!
42:45 Adam and Eve turned their back on God, and reaped what they sewed by defying.
45:44 Some people don’t deserve Death [Innocent Children]
46:38 Death is In Our World because of Sin [Joining Evil]
48:13 Health, Diet, Exercise, Risk-Taking
49:54 What is Meant by “Death is Natural?”
1. Natural = Essential, Original, Intention
2. Natural = Part of Reality, Reality
53:26 The Freedom 55:12
*Death*
56:04 Adam lived 900 Years after disobeying God
57:40 Death is a Spiritual Reality. Life is more than heartbeats and brainwaves. Lack of purpose can leave Life feeling Dead. Fulfillment makes Life Worth Living.
59:14 Unplugged from Creator leads to loss of Meaning, Purpose, Divine Content.
Separation From God leads to
Death of Kindness
Depression, Anxiety
1:01:25 Inability to Understand
1:02:10 Inability to Be Moral
1:02:52 Sickness, Deterioration
Spiritual
Social
Emotional
Intellectual
Moral
Physical
1:04:00 Corruption, Decay, Falling Apart.
God’s Harmony
Sins Disorder
1:06:25 Spiritual Death is (the Fall into the Abyss)
1:07:10 The Failure of The Body’s Biological Life 1:07:52 God in His Good Providence keeps the Soul in a *State of Waiting* 1:08:54 Not Purgatory
1:09:44 The Intermediate Preserved State of The Soul
1:10:33 Separation of Soul and Body is NOT what God intended, it is an unnatural state. It’s a Sad 😞 😢 😔 Thing.
1:12:36 Death is a Tragedy
1:13:18 God Knew he could Redirect it to a Good Purpose. God only causes Good Things.
1:14:23 Physical Death Limits Sin, So That Evil is Not Made Eternal.
1:15:40 God Punishes For Our Benefit. Because he knows they can help us. Philanthropy. Death is a Hard Lesson, not a Soft one.
(Thank Difficulty and Ease.)
1:17:15 A Living Corpse
1:17:45 Curving Pride & Arrogance 1:19:54 Rebellion, Usurping, Breaking.
1:21:48 The Big Lie is more believable than little lies
God knows Evil without experiencing Evil
Humanity knows Evil because Humanity experienced Evil
1:24:01 Mortality
1:25:07 Death came into being when Lucifer Fell? Only Spiritual Death, because they are totally Spiritual Beings
1:26:20 Transformation Through Decay
1:27:00 Seed
1:29:09 The Statue, (Refined, Reformed, Reborn?)
1:30:43
1:31:24
Landlord - God
House - Body
Tenants - Soul
1:32:34 Sinless Death Saves Us
1:34:27 Children Share in Flesh and Blood
1:35:06 Christ Broke The Wicked In Hades
1:36:32 God took on Man’s Nature to come to grips with Death
1:40:50 Mortal --> Immortal.
👑 you dropped this, king!
You, sir, are A HERO! Hat tip to you
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thanks bro ✌️
I am enjoying listening to this. At least there is a church that has classes on death and the afterlife. Most churches do not.
@MB MB The soul sleep is a false doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church we don't accept that doctrine. We are very much alive after death of our physical body, and many places in scripture proves it.
Excellent priest Beautiful church. God has blessed him with his gifts! ☦️🙏☦️🙏☦️🙏
Love the way you speak Father. Easy to understand, concise, precise. It's such a heavy topic, anything more than easy understanding would be way over my head. As it is, I struggle, but I thank you for your words, thoughts and style. Can't wait to listen to parts 2 & 3.
I am a Greek Orthodox with a strong evangelical background.... I am an avid reader of the Bible I have listened to many Orthodox teachers. I love the way you explain doctrine looking forward to hearing the rest of this series
A clearer answer to the question at 49:22 is that the actual difference in the use of "natural" is that one describes the natural state, and the other describes the natural result of an action that ISN'T natural. For example, it's natural for humans to have arms, but if I perform the unnatural action of ripping them off, then "naturally" you will have no arms anymore. An unnatural action can have actions "naturally" flow out of it. Our unnatural act of sinning "naturally" lead to death. It does not imply that death is the natural state of human beings, but that it is the natural effect of sin.
Very very good inspiring message
hello, I love the way you speak, slowly and clear. Easy to follow for not english speakers as myself. Thank you
Thank you!
DIO BENEDICA E PROTEGGE QUESTO SANTO UOMO, PADRE JEREMY DAVIS.
As a Roman Catholic- your beliefs and teachings are eye opening for me😊
Keep those eyes open! God bless you on the search to know Him ever more! :)
Well get ready to have even more fun cuz not all Orthodox priests/people agree with this
@@phunnyfilosophy Some orthodox priests and laity are also converts so they should be able to understand.
i too am roman Catholic and of course what he says here is eye opening as they are also part of our faith… This is the Church split but with same views, just some slightly distorted… For instance, they do not believe in Purgatory, but we as Catholics know it exists, the saints have clearly spoken of it …
@@gobrad And of course, we Orthodox view the Church as not split, but Catholicism as having left the Church, and Purgatory as the distortion. Rather than play with disputations, though, I think we can agree that it is good to keep trying to open one's eyes to see and one's ears to hear God, just as Christ encouraged us. We humans know so little, because we are finite, but God is infinite and knows all. He came to save all of us, wherever we are. And wherever we are, we are all still sinful but redeemable, and His mercy endures and is what saves - we cannot save ourselves. Repentance takes time, and our lifetime is not enough to complete it. But we do not complete it, and God asks us instead to seek and diligently persevere in the time we have. He *will* take us where we need to go, if we will only follow.
I am Eastern Orthodox. I was baptized July 22nd, 2018 in Oakland, CA. Forgive me for my foolish questions during a more ignorant time in my life.
You ought to be afraid that there's nothing at all after death. Not the silly stuff you've worried about
We venerate the Saint that the image represents. Not the material that it’s made of. Like when a father looks at a photograph of his child he might kiss it, he’s showing love to the child, he’s not kissing the photograph because he loves the photo paper.
Such a wonderful video. God Bless!
Good presentation Fr. Jeremy !
God bless u our bro
Thank You ‼️🙏🏽 Glory to ADONAI 💯 ps #VinceBantu
Great stuff! Thnk you
Cardiologist Dr. Michael Sabom: "When I wrote that book we only had near death experiences. Now we have post-death experiences." (Sabom, Recollections of Death).
Recommended Book
"The Self Does Not Die: Verified Paranormal Phenomena from Near-Death Experiences," by Titus Rivas.
No way… I thought those doors looked familiar, this is my home parish!!
One thing I have found challenging is how the will of people can change if the prefontal cortex (I think it's called) is injured. Their self control changes when that area of the brain is injured. This has been studied. So biology and the will are very much connected. That being said...I still believe in God, who changes human beings by grace.
Describing space and life on this planet not really taking sand and making a human--Orthodoxy is profound but not a Disney story. About our body and one soul, certainly our bodies, our appearances determines our journeys and our perspectives. If you live deformed, your spiritual self may be very different than that of the good looking person with no issues in the journey of a lifetime. Our bodies influence our spiritual self, that is why reincarnation is not realistic to us.
The more you know, the more you realize how logical this religion is and yet it is so ancient. Amazing religion.
Great talk, but one issue i’d have is your disbelief of “purgatory” just because you don’t believe, does not mean it doesn’t exist… Most of the saints went into detail about this wonderful mystery, as few or should i say all, die in the state of imperfection, some more than others, and as God created us to be of a higher degree of Glory, we must obtain that through expiation, and what is the expiation of sin other than suffering!?… Purgatory is the answer and a great gift of God’s Mercy as a second chance for those unfortunate to die in a state of sin… of course depending on how grave our sin is… and for that reason we must frequent the holy sacraments
Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. What is this waiting period you speak of? Jesus said to the thief on the cross TODAY you will be with ME in paradise. If Jesus led Captivity captive on his ascent to Heaven who where these captives, and where were they taken from to go to be with him?
In a long run in practicing christianity orthodox faith and discipline is inevitable.
any way to get a copy of the syllabus?
I know this sounds silly but I really wanted to ask. How did priests come to this precise conclusion of what happens. How do we take this for certainty like scripture? Thanks
Why do Animals and plants die? What did they do?
8:20. 1:20:06
1:28:56
Both the Hebrew and Greek (Septuagint) say in verse 2:17 death you shall die. The English Bibles do not reflect that. The German Bible translation does translated it correctly.
The importance of the human body is the point of the resurrection, isn't it? I'm not ortodox but Christian reformed (traditional biblical)
Where is this church located?
Is the Orthodox Bible different from the Roman Bible. I don’t recognize some of the parables.
There's only one bible.
Yes. The Orthodox Bible has more OT than the Catholic Bible. Orthodox 81 books, Catholic 73 and Protestant 66.
I don't think choosing being cremated invalidates the belief on the bodily resurrection of a believer. The view of organ donation and being cremated seems inconsistent.
Do all Antiochian monks cut their hair?
rapture
interesting
What about animals what happens to them??? Do they wait with us in rest or do they go to heaven???
We don't know what happens to them. Most likely they just cease to exist. Sorry. I know it's painful.
I wonder too about this question. I've read in the bible about the horses but what about Benji the dog or Felix the cat. God created all the 🌎 earth and had his hand in all of it. I know he has a plan so I'm comforted in knowing his love is greater than we can fathom.
Animals have no soul.
Exactly animals do not have an eternal soul, only mankind has. It is written that man was made in the image of God not in the image of Beast. You're welcome
This is ultimately alleged and probably dubious; but according to a few NDE's I've analyzed at least, apparently the animals we've personally loved and cared for, will end up in heaven. But that's it.
Skimmed the transcript no seraphim rose, and tollhouses? .... thank the heavenly FATHER !+!+!+
Cremation. Ashes to ashes dust to dust. Ashes buried in cemetery on hallowed ground for the resurection shouldn't be a problem. Lot's of christian, ancient ashes in cemeteries.😔HalleluYah.Amen
God knows if you stick your finger in a light socket you going to get shocked but he doesn't know if you will choose to obey him or disobey him. This is where the test comes in with free will. Likewise God knew that if Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit they would die. However it was up to Adam and Eve if they would eat or not because of their free will. God knew they had free will to choose because he gave it to them. The confusion is to believe that God knows everything when in fact he does not know what your decision will be because that's where Freewheel comes in. We do not believe in predestination either.If what I have stated is wrong then what's the purpose of free will?
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Yes it's wonderful to have these needed advancmentd for our hearing we miss it when it's off and on God bless everyone that tries to improve our hearing. Oh and visual aids also wrote have you seen the new Samsung at Costco so much color. God bless you
If we were created in the image of God, why would eve have been so easily tempted in the first place? Why was there any lust already within her, before coming in contact with the mouth of the devil. The devil sensed her lust, her imperfection. Where did that lust come from? Did it come from God? If that story is true, God created an abomination even before the devil tempted man. That lust was there before the devil came in contact with her.
The first sin of Adam and Eve was to break a fast. They were told not to eat of a certain tree. They refuse to repent for the sin by blaming each other instead of asking for God's mercy and forgiveness. It's called Freewheel just like the Angels had Freewheel that's how they were able to Rebelle in the first place. God does not make robots to love him. If no one had free will there wouldn't be any such thing as Sin either. How could you have a relationship with someone if they're just a robot? You're welcome
There's a lot of questionable and superficial doctrine here concerning Adam and Eve. I was hoping an Orthodox would have a deeper understanding of this profound Scripture. He made no mention at all about the actual transformation that occurred, causing God to say "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil." The curse we experience is a direct consequence of our eyes being opened to our individuality. The first thing Adam and Eve did after eating the fruit was to realize they were naked, which is undeniably a marker of being self conscious. I heard no discussion at all about this deeply important change of consciousness. This remarkably concise myth communicates an extraordinary amount of spiritual truths but has been dumbed down to a nonsensical children's story about legalism, requiring this teacher to make insanely contradictory statements like at 1:02:15 when he says "we have moral death which is the death of the conscience, the loss of the ability to distinguish between right and wrong." Really? Really???? Gaining the knowledge of good and evil caused them to *_LOSE_* the ability to distinguish between good and evil???? And this is also in direct contradiction to the Bible telling us in Romans 2:15 that everyone has a conscience.
What are you calling a myth? I hope not Adam and Eve. The Bible narrates them as historical, and the Jews and Christians always viewed them as historical as did the Lord Jesus and St. Paul.
God as the author of death suggests a strong dualist tendency in God. Process and dualism always seem to go hand it hand.
Holy Writing teaches that God imposed death as punishment for the transgression. (Gen. 2:17; 3:19). Wisdom 1:13: "For God made no death." Wisdom 2:24: "But by the envy of the devil came death into the world." Romans 5:12: " By one man sin entered into the world and death by sin." Ecclesiasticus 25:33: "From the woman came the beginning of sin, and by her we all die." (Cf. 1Tim. 2:14; Rom. 5:12 et seq; John 8:44). The mythological and allegorical explanation of the Alexandrians and Kabbalists therefore are to be rejected.
The fact God allowed death to come into creation means he's the creator of it. If God demanded that it didn't exist - it wouldn't exist.
@noah ken no, I get that but I can't detach the existence of death from God making everything, possibility of death and sinning included.
So, technically, God is "responsible" for death cause he designed his creation with in-built possibility of sinning and dying.
He could have denied such possibilities but didn't.
Well Father Jeremy Davis. I love the Orthodox Church but being a disabled veteran on a very small budget living from paycheck to paycheck I guess for me to enter the Orthodox Church would not be feasable because I cannot afford the roughly 10 to 15 thousand dolars for an orthodox burial. I have no choice in te matter and Cremation is my only alternative as was my Father and Mother who loved and bveli8eved in our Lord Jesus Chrsit. Perhaps you can foot the bill for my burial huh?
It is very easy for people who have the funds to set the standadrd for Chrsitian burial whereas people who are poor have no other option.
My family was in no way pagan . We just don't have the financial gifts for an expensive burial.
Anthony, if you are an Orthodox Christian you would not have to worry about such a matter. I will be willing to bet that loving members of your community would step forward to help with any funeral cost that your family may incur that they are unable to handle.
just follow the teachings of the original church..which was created by our Lord Jesus Christ..pray daily..constantly ..attend the Divine Liturgy on Sundays and receive Holy communion..most of all REPENT and ask God for mercy...
also sir, read the Orthodox study Bible...all your answers are there..again, God bless you ..
Anthony, how much of the video did you actually watch? He makes a point early on that this is not a legalistic rule, but a statement that we value the body. He pointed out that in Japan the law requires people to be cremated, and that's okay. It is very clear that if you have a valid reason you cannot adhere to the Orthodox standard, there is nothing wrong with that.
Get the book “A Christian Ending “ by J. Mark & Elizabeth J. Barna. You can do a Orthodox funeral very cheap.
The Bible or Jesus are clear that once we die our fate is sealed. And we are immidiately in heaven or hell. There is no such thing as a dead person waiting for a decision where he is going to end up. That is just not in the Bible. Jesus told the thief next to Him, that TODAY he will be in Heaven.
Jantes Inferno how can the church be infallible??? In the beginning of Revelation God rebukes 7 churches for their faults. plus, we are warned about false christianity throughout the Bible. God promised to preserve His Word. No man or church should take credit for that. It was His miracle alone. He gets all the glory. Also, Jesus never called us to trust in the church, instead he told us to trust in Him ONLY.
Jantes Inferno Plus, the Church in Bible is referring to all saved believers, not to any building, denomination, committees, councils, papacy or patriarchy. As a saved soul, i am part of Jesus's church or His body. I don't need an intermediary or a human mediator. Jesus ismy only mediator to God!
People coming from your point of view are almost impossible to discuss any of this with because you have a very difficult time exercising humility and submitting to anything other than your own personal understanding of scripture and your own subjective experience of who you believe Christ is and teaches. There are several layers of unfortunate irony in your comments, but again, getting you to see that is an endeavor of Sisyphean proportions.
Hence the reason you have not received a reply, I would imagine.
Shayne Swenson not true. I can be convinced with clear, untwisted, scripture from the Holy Bible. Also, The Holy Spirit is guiding me to what is true and what is false. It is not my own understanding aside from the Holy Spirit. Hence, your church believes that I need your church to know what God thinks because I don't have access to the Holy Spirit direcly. Yet, the Bible is clear that those who are saved have received the Holy Spirit and that is why it is hard to deceive them with your traditions and councils and other unbiblical practices.
Literal Genesis account believer detected.
I have been looking at the Orthodox Church denomination and admire many of its positions. However; it does need to rethink this idea on cremation. My wife and I both intend to be cremated and united in the same urn. The preparation for burial does not show any respect of the human body. Funeral homes can make it look good with glue, makeup, scents etc but it is bound for rot unless pumped full of formaldehyde or other agents which are disgusting. Cremation can be just as respectful as any church funeral service. God can restore flesh to my ashes from an urn just as well as from a skeleton.
most funeral homes are also run by organized crime
How much of this video did you watch? Also, what are you basing the claim that "The preparation for burial does not show any respect of the human body"? Having read and attended the services, it seems very respectful. He did not say that the body being eternally preserved was the standard of respect, so you are putting words in his mouth that this is the purpose. He made very clear in the video that this is about making a statement about the value of the body, but there are also circumstances where this does not apply. If human opinions about what is the right or wise things to do are held has the highest standard, then there is no reason to be looking into any religion or denomination. The crux of most religions, especially orthodoxy, is that our opinions and feelings are not always consistent with what is right, and we need to humbly learn.
Absolutely not. What's expensive? Getting a wooden box? Digging a hole in the ground???
Orthodoxy is pre denomination
Yeh, uh what you are describing is not an Orthodox burial either. You are describing a capitalistic funeral not an Orthodox funeral.
ὀψώνιαs = wages. As used in Romans 6:23. “τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας”.