Death and the Afterlife, Part IV - Fr. Jeremy Davis
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2015
- #death #afterlife #orthodoxchristian
Fr. Jeremy Davis is a priest/monk at St. Elijah Antiochian Orthodox Church in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. He gave this symposium on the subject of Death and the Afterlife. PDF handouts are available for download with each of the four talks.
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Fantastic teaching I can just keep on listening
This is very good information our clergy at parish level never teaches you! Thank you father Jeremy.
Thank you so much for this series. I was just Chrismated into the Orthodox Church this past Sunday, and your series has helped me to better understand the Orthodox Church's teachings regarding death and afterlife issues. My husband passed away after an agonizing six-year battle with colon cancer. He suffered intensely at the end of his life. There came a point when he was receiving hospice care, and we had moved a hospital bed to our home. He was literally trying to climb out the hospital bed at the end because they wouldn't give him morphine to get the pain under control. I truly believe this was because he was on Tennessee's government health care insurance because he had a pre-existing condition. They would not pay to give him the medication. This experience was absolutely horrible. I finally had to insist that he be taken to a hospital to get the pain under control. He slipped into a coma as soon as he entered the hospital and passed away two days later. I truly believe that too much was done to prolong his life. I didn't realize that so many organs could be removed from a person's body and that they could still live. After his death, I had erroneously adopted two of the views you mention in the videos: I wanted to just go to sleep and not wake up or I wanted to die a sudden death. I think I adopted these views because of fear of what I had witnessed my husband experience. I know now that what I need to do is prepare for death so that when it comes I will be ready. I really appreciate your comments at the end of the series regarding confession. I now have a deeper appreciation for this sacrament. Thank you again for this series. I have watched it several times. Thank you for your sensitive way of handling these issues. Your messages have been a blessing to my life.
So sorry for your loss. God bless.
This is an example of the damage trump and sessions have done with the complete removal of pain management from healthcare. Even terminal patients can't obtain pain relief! This is barbaric and cruel and was only done to fuel the illegal drug trade.
Trump, Soros, Gates, Pelosi, Biden and Harris, Obama etc.
All are elite sociopaths and Sadists and are certainly going to Hell.
I'm so sorry this happened to your husband, may he enjoy the eternal bliss of God's love 💗💗💗💗
Thank you Fr. Jeremy . This was a great teaching!!
These videos are some of the best I've watched on orthodox beliefs. Thank you very much
Thank you for this video! Your series helped me a lot to better understand the Orthodox faith teachings. God bless you.
Thank you Fr. Jeremy-I learned so much-God bless you.
1:31 *General People Conceptions about Death*
1. Death is Natural, the way it is, the way it always has been
2:03 1O: Death was not a part of God’s Original Design. If Man Remained United To God, Humanity would have lived WITHOUT CORRUPTION FOREVER
2:54 : Christ Has Saved Us From Death
3:42 The Only Eternal Death is the one People Chooses For Themselves
4:10 If You Don’t Repent of Sin, Death will remain with you Eternally
4:39 2. Death is The End, Death is Man Becoming Spirit-only form
5:40 2C: Some Christians think Dead Humans become Angels
6:44 O: Death is a Portal To Eternal Life. The Character of The Person Determines Who Will Live With God
7:57 3. Death isn’t something to be thought about; it should be minimized
8:27 Death is of Primary Importance, A Turning Point when what we have reaped becomes Judged. 9:48 Face up to the Fact of it and prepare for it.
10:07 4. Feared, Afraid of what comes next, afraid of Nothingness
10:42 O: Christ Transformed Death into a Refining Process
• Ex. Rebuilt Statue
• Ex. Rebuilt House 🏠
11:57 Path out of Death and coming near to God.
12:46 Productive and Constructive Thinking
13:35 Celebration, Grieving, Mourning?
• Celebrate The Saints
• Celebrate The Martyrs
14:53 Did they draw near to Christ?
*Grieving*
15:36
Intense: Too much grief?
• Ex. Lebanese
Bitterness: Hardened Anger
Lax: Too little grieving
20:35 Death is a blip on the radar
21:30 Grief surrounded by Hope
Christ grieved for Lazarus.
23:56 Sadness losing friends
25:58 Weep Gently, Decency, and The Fear of God
27:45 Naked Bones, Food For The Worms 🦴 🐛
Serious Sadness, Hard-Reality Lesson
Hope in Christ
30:11 It’s ok to Pray for the dead
30:54
31:41 *There is No Repentance After Death*
32:29 Prayer is not to Change God’s Mind
33:07 God Has Perfect Knowledge and Wisdom on Perfect Love
“Fulfill Your Will”
35:35 God’s Mode of Being [Timeless] vs Man’s Mode of Being [Contingent]
+ God is Beyond Time
+ God is _Every When Present_
36:53 God knew we would pray, God can act on our current prayers in the past. Praying for the dead may work. Putting our hopes in God’s hands.
38:40 Dreams and Visions
- can be deceptive
• Requires discernment
• Speaking to Spiritual Father
41:52 Prayer 🙏🏼 should not be handing God a wish list. Discern what we think God’s will is for this person. Don’t enforce our Will on God, Submit ourselves to God.
44:15 Saints May intercede for us to help us change 45:05 Pray For Me
*Before Death matters for What Happens After Death*
45:12
46:20 The Faithful Pray, For An Opportunity To Prepare
47:42 For Departure, by Preparing Our Baggage 💼
48:47 Death - A Long Sleep
50:24 Desire for Death and Life
51:38 St Ignatius epistle to the Romans is concerned that Romans won’t martyr him.
Flowing out of deep faith, looking to Honor Christ. Let me Reach Jesus Christ.
57:16 Death - The Finish Line 🏁
• No jumping into death
58:24 Departure From Human Nature
1:00:12 The Rich Man
Facing Death
Challenges Us
To Fix Our Hearts 💔❤️🩹♥️
😨 😰 💕
1:04:31
Rational Fear
Irrational Fear
-Ignore Repress Protect-
Opportunity to practice acceptance of reality of Natural Death
1:05:52 Take Precaution, but Remember Christ Saved Us From Eternal Death, Bring It To Bear On That Thought
1:07:19 Spiritual Preparation prepares you from “A threat that You Will NOT Overcome.”
1:08:12
Death = Motivation to Live Rightly 1:08:53 Mind and Heart and Practice.
1:09:59 Puts life in perspective. 1:11:53 A Grander Perspective on Worldy Things
1:13:38 Unsubstantial stuff vs Crucial Pleasing of God
1:14:42 The Earth will be Burned Up. and Resurrection will occur again. 1:16:08 Refining
1:17:40 Seek after what endures forever. The State of Your Soul, Your Character, The Love of God.
1:19:49 Terrible
1:20:35 *"How will this choice affect my eternity?"
1:24:14 The Triumphant Martyrs of Christ 1:25:05
Holy, Save Our Souls since Thou Art Merciful.
1:27:11 He went into Ecstasy of Mind 1:28:12 "He was accused with what he had not done."
1:28:59 Shrinking in Fear.
Good works bolster confidence
Sin bolsters fear
1:30:56 Prepare to not be in Terror
1:32:40 Fixed Heart on Christ blocked out Pain
1:34:09 Fasting, Disciplined Prayer, Vigils, Almsgiving, Asceticism = Training for Martyrdom
1:35:53 Regular Confession 1:37:07 I know but God forgave me my Sins
1:38:16 Ask and Give Forgiveness. 1:39:03 Final Confession
1:39:25 Focus on Your Spirit, Prayer, Repose.
1:40:27 (1) Extend Life (2) Eliminate Pain through Painkillers
not saying it is wrong
1:41:39 It is good to treat the pain, but the main priority should be Spiritual Preparation.
1:42:53 A little pain is part of the process
1:44:15 Critical Hospital Care Worker, she sees death daily. She sees life prolonging.
Is it a Sin in Orthodoxy if you accept your diagnosis?
It comes down to the motivation. Why are you abandoning treatment?
Out of Hope? O
Does the dead know and see how much their family who is left behind are crying and grieving for them ? Can they hear us when we talk to their soul ?
A great series-thank you Fr. Christos Anesti
Very good inspiring message
Thank you Fr. Jeremy for such an enlightening series.
thank you; my hope is to influence others: you have a gift of communicatuoin, thank you. I have mentionrd this program to my family and hope that my family choses the righr path.
I’ve never heard of any teacher saying that we KEEP bringing Death into the world ...
GRAZIE PER I TUOI COLLOQUI! DIO TI BENEDICA.
I have to point out that everything he described in the section about temptation and accusation at the point of death is the point and purpose of the tollhouse analogy. Not that there may or may not be literal tollhouses, but that we will face temptations and accusations at death and even there we will have recourses to the love and mercy of Christ
@15:40 Grief without dispare
Thank you Father, you have answered so many questions for me though towards the end the monk that seemed to be accused by demons on his death bed sounded a lot like the toll houses you earlier disclaimed. If you can explain that interaction.
We need to be complete in order to repent: to be a soul united to a body. Therefore, the resurrection should be a new opportunity for repentance, especially considering that we will see God and His glory, and with a much more perfect, renewed body. The idea that there is no possibility of repentance after death seems radically opposed to the idea that God loves us and want us to be united with Him. This is why so many Orthodox today believe in an eventual universal salvation.
@@youraveragejoe123 when Jesus quoted Chapter 3 of John it was before the resurrection so your point is mute. The same is true with the argument of the thief on the cross that was done before the resurrection while we were still under the old Covenant. The word sleep means more than one thing and there's your dilemma you don't understand old Greek and you're lost in the translation
Hey this question is a little late to the show. But I heard him say “great chasm” between hades and paradise, one cannot go from one to the other. But since the great judgement hasn’t happened could those in hades be resurrected to life, and those in paradise after judgement be in hell? Because how could there end be determined without a judgement. Also how would that initial resting place be determined? I know you have a negitative view of toll houses, but under that ideology umbrella could this be what Russians refer to as particular judgement as a model meaning based on life choices you will be “pulled” or “gravitate” via angels and demons to that temporary resting place, to await final judgment and then the permanent resting place? I was hoping this question would be asked but never heard it asked, this would help me fully found out my theology on the topic. God bless.
How do I receive the PDF handouts for each of the four talks?
does anyone have his e-mail address?
Where are the PDF's?
Are people gonna face Maria Hellen Ewing after death
@45:10 Mindfulness
@1:21 how to prepare for a death
is he christian
The following is a response (not mine) to an article about the possibility of repentance after death and I believe it is correct, despite what Father Davis says.
''Despite the misguided opinions of more than a few saints from the Imperial period, the Church’s teaching on the Harrowing of Hades makes it quite clear that not only is repentance possible in the intermediate state, it is also highly probable (see 1 Peter 3:18-20 and the Resurrection Icon of the Church). The distortions of the Gospel that entered the Church in the early Imperial period due to the prevailing Platonic and pagan philosophies regarding natural immortality, led to further distortions by the clerical and government classes to control the masses. These traditions, like no salvation after death and eternal torment, are harmful baggage that need to be discarded to enable the Holy Apostolic Tradition to shine forth as a beacon of love and hope in the 21st Century.''
The Resurrection of 2nd Corinthians ch.15 is not concerned with individual body resurrection or physical resurrection. It is concerned with the corporate body resurrection of the Body of Moses which passed away in 70 AD at the fall of Jerusalem, and the new Body of Christ (the church) was resurrected. The Old Covenant law (Torah) was know as the ministration of sin and death and the New Testament was written during this era of sin and death. If they sinned under the Old Covenant law, they died, but this was spiritual death, or a separation from God. This is why Christ sacrificed His life, to put an end to spiritual death and when the New Covenant was consummated, there was no more spiritual death. The New Covenant is the ministration of grace and life and the ministration of sin and death (Torah) came to an end in 70 AD. This was the spiritual death that Christ came to defeat. Old Covenant Israel was under the ministration of sin and death and the Resurrection was the end of the Body of Moses (Torah) which was resurrected into the Body of Christ. This has nothing to do with individual bodies coming back to life. This was a corporate body resurrection of sin and death (Torah) resurrected into grace and life (Gospel).
Well Jesus came back to life bodily. He wasn't just spiritually resurrected from the tomb. He physically returned and was recognized and walked and talked with his disciples. His resurrected body was changed, in that he didn't need to eat and could pass through walls, but it was still a body. That's a prefiguring of what is in store for believers after the last judgement. They won't just be souls, but their souls will be united with their bodies in a new and transfigured form. That is the standard dogma of the Orthodox Church as Father Jeremy has outlined in these talks.