In fairness, Blue was never openly hostile to Red in the games. Yeah, he was a bit of a jerk, but I alwasy kinda just saw that as playful banter. It always seemed to me that Ash disliked Garry a lot more than Garry disliked Ash.
Trying to make Ash spin in circles for food on Cinnabar island when they were hungry was pretty messed up. Gary definitely was the hostile one to Ash in the beginning. Ash would even try to make peace with Gary sometimes, like complimenting him on his studying or offering them to tie during an argument over a poke ball, and Gary STILL would respond by being mean.
Blue was Gary was Sure they were rivals but it seemed to me that Blue and Gary wanted to put Ash and Red down and make them feel like losers by wanting to beat them over and over again and making jokes about them in their face
I think that originally, Gary really was a jerk with Ash, but grew to respect him as he improved. He figured that one of the reasons that Ash did so well was Because Of their rivalry, thus he's only pretending in order to motivate Goh. Plus, I think Gary sees a little of himself in Goh with his "catch first, ask questions later" attitude. Despite Goh also attempts to actually understand and be friends with his Pokémon and not just catch them all. My proof was actually during one of the episodes right before the Kanto League. The one where everyone thought that Ash and Gary would finally battle each other. In that episode the two of them compared PokéDexes. Despite all of Ash's Tauros, Gary Caught the most Pokémon ( hands down, but Ash actually looked up the most Pokémon. Heck, even more than Gary actually caught. It's at that point the two of them (at the very least) started to realize that they just simply had different philosophies when it came to Pokémon. Now look at Gary after he lost the Kanto League and stopped being Ash's Rival, he became a researcher and found that he honestly enjoys it. I think that, just like with his Eevee evolving into Umbreon (which was exclusively a Friendship evolution at the time), Gary also sort of "Evolved" as a Trainer. Simply because he started to try to Understand his Pokémon more than he originally did.
To say the truth he probably didnt think so far in the original series as he also had just began like ash but over time he realised and gained experience and now he sees someone whom he thinks he can help so he does this now
*JUST look* at the very first scene of Ash and Gary in the anime. Gary has teased Ash, but it was obvious to me that it was not out of spite or meanness. Reminded me of how big brothers behave towards their little ones. Overall, Gary is a good lad.
Your probably more correct. I was just re watching the Indigo league and After Ash won round 2 Gary said to himself "He won 1 match and he act like he won the entire tournament" Something Ash breaks out of by x and Y. but might be a dub thing again. I like the japanese subs
If gary was a jerk to make Ash train he failed. Look at how little Ash trained his Pokemon himself. Charizard helped him win and had training on his own.
Regardless if people like the writing and pacing of Journeys or not, the message is there but this episode is both good and bad depending on viewers who watched it, As a massive fan of Goh myself, I personally loved it a lot and always been a fan of Project Mew episodes but I completely understand why many wouldn’t like this episode, especially from a narrative perspective but I think what the writers were intended to do was focusing on realism and acknowledging that everyone has their own flaws in which I personally appreciate but from a narrative standpoint, its moreso about telling the story and not showing it, not to mention that everyone’s mindset is completely different considering that people are going to judge it on what they see; Some like the writing and pacing of Journeys, some don’t and I personally love Journeys as my fourth favorite series but I respect those who completely dislike it, problem here is that they are trying to multitask everything at once but it doesn’t work in this one. I would like for the staff and production team to play around with the episodes in terms of the personalities of Ash and Goh’s Pokémon, more training episodes, focusing more on the concepts of cooperation, Project Mew, PWC and etc. I get that many people are completely disappointed with the writing and pacing of Journeys but despite that I don’t mind it and I am still having a lot of fun watching it, I am just grateful for what we currently have and that’s matters to me personally!!! 👏 #anipoke #PokemonJourneys
I assumingly guess that Ash's father inherited the-so called position of Team Rocket HQ as the CEO or president position but his father knows that he will never see the accomplishments Ash achieved and when Delia knew his husband was part of an organization runs by bad guys she was frustrated and promised that he would never get his son away from her to inherit what his father's position to run the Team Rocket HQ higher than Giovanni's position. Delia is still keeping secret to Ash why his father left him and her, although she is finding some time to explain to Ash the whereabouts of his father. I know the saying that mom chooses the best things and person to you.
Nah Gary was a jerk to ash, but he started to grow up. You could see it after they spoke when he lost in the indigo league. And then again after their battle before heading to Johto. Gary was starting to mature, and after their Johto conference battle Gary fully acknowledged Ash
Also, I think it's ironic that you praise this episode, yet don't talk about the thing that makes people hate the episode (Goh being more of a Mary Sue), at all. I still think a good twist would be for Professor Amaranth to turn out to be evil and give Goh a 'WHAT HAVE I DONE' moment. If I was writing it, that's what I'd do.
I completely agree. Gary was really spot on in the recent episode. And they handled it well. My only complaint is how they did Goh. I feel like if they made him fail the mission it would’ve been a bit better. Because Goh really needs to learn and progress more, and seeing that would def be a boost. But wow the ending of the episode was a shock to see too! Good job writers!
I remember in a really old interview with Tajiri, that stated Gary is meant to be a mentor to Ash, in a way that Miyamoto was to him. Which is why the characters are named after them. (What he's doing to Goh now actually isn't too different to what he did with Ash; early dub kinda erased away a few aspects of it in favor of making Gary more jerk-ish) Considering that both after the Orange League and Battle Frontier Gary was used to humble Ash and keep him moving, the whole "start each region anew with just Pikachu" Ash got from Gary [starting research with just Blastoise] after Johto, Ash getting motivated after envisioning Gary speaking to him when he received that postcard, helping Ash with Gligar...That part of him was always there, it just moved on to Goh.
@@rjfrost7090 I wouldn’t say forgotten considering anytime he returns to Pallet Town he pays them a visit. Plus it could be worse: they could’ve been stuck in Pokéballs during that time
@@Swampert384 That's really not much better. I can count the number of battles Kingler and Palpitoad have had with Ash on one hand. And then there's the fact that Ash probably can't tell any of his 30 Tauros apart from each other. Professor Oak's lab is probably nice, but you'd likely see everything it has to offer after a few weeks stuck there and quickly grow bored not doing anything with your Trainer.
I think this is Gary's way of delivering motivation. Gary thinks that if he provokes people, it will push them to do better and ultimately stand toe to toe with him. Is this a sure fire way to help others. Not exaclty but it did seem to help Ash and Goh.
1) F*** the name "Horace". 2) I think early Gary was immature and overconfident to the point of arrogant during the Kanto season. The man believed his own hype. I mean, the guy had freaking cheerleaders for crying out loud. I started seeing "maturity" in Gary in those two episodes after the Orange Islands Arc(the ones where Gary saves everyone from the Circus then beats Ash with his Eevee). There was a lot more humility and honest self-assessment from Gary after he beat Ash during that battle. Gary has done a lot of growing over the 25 years of the anime, just as Ash has.
Well Gary was Ash's Childhood friend so I don't think he dont want ash to be the very best . I think he wants ash to be the very best that's why Gary always Showed Ash How Weak he is like when ash thought he is strong after winning in Orange island but Gary Destroyed him in battle then he also beat ash after Battle frontier win . So may be Gary was trying to pull the Best out of ash .
That sounds about right. Remember after Gary beat Ash post Battle Frontier he told Ash about the Sinnoh region and told him to check it out. Clearly wanting Ash to compete in that league
That theory could go in both directions. Gary could have been wanting Ash to improve this entire time but it’s also possible he could have just been the equivalent of a brother picking on his sibling but still cared about him. He did write on a sign once “Gary was here Ash is a loser” which could also throw the theory off. But clearly that was a 4kids edit. I wonder what was written originally
The sign originally said "Shigeru has arrived! Satoshi is a moron!", with an overlay of Gary taunting that gets edited out of the dub. (So the context was basically the same, but the main thing with their rivalry was Ash being behind Gary and is trying to catch up to him)
I like to think him taunting Goh is because he saw the problem he had back in his early days, helping Goh realise what he needs to change the same way he did long ago, as he knows firsthand that not adapting will cost him in the long run.
Yeah that seems to be Go’s problem. Things came to easy at first and when they started to become difficult he started to hit the wall. The same thing that happened to Gary.
Gary was a legit Rival in the beginning but as he got older he gained a respect for others, it's a growing up tale imo he has an impeccable Character Arc
I have to disagree. I think Gary was more immature in the early seasons and completely drops his old persona by Sinnoh. When Gary first appears in journeys, he demonstrates that he's able to imitate his old personality. I don't think he was acting until journeys
If Gary met Giovanni when they talked about Ash won the earth badge from the 1st season then I assume that Giovanni reports to the father of Ash regarding improvements that Ash achieved in 8 generations like he's now the Champion of Alola Region and now he's reaching his goal to be a monarch against Leon.
to be honest with you, I disagree, back when Ash was being his journey and was competing for against Gary to earn gym badges, I don't think that in the writer's minds, they thought of garys charter as improving Ash as a battler. in pokemon journeys, it seems like the storyline has shifted to each episode having a more powerful meaning behind it, and this could be one of those powerful meanings. as in the original Takeshi Shudō depicted the anime to be in a more dark sense as he openly admitted. and when watching journeys, I could depict various lessons within episodes like episode 87 and episode 96. and so the writers of journeys most likely wanted Gary's charter in journeys to be more helpful/mature.
For me, Gary in OG always felt like he was naturally snarky, but learnt how to use that to push Ash along and forward. Not to mention both him and Ash were hot headed with each other over not that pokeball, but Gary's comment that drawing with Ash was losing to him, which made Ash think how Gary viewed his own talent as a traine... Oh. I get it now😅 But I think he started to do that *intentionally* only recently with Goh.
tbh it could be both. there’s definitely some snarkiness that gary always has regardless of season, you can still want to trounce a rival while wanting them to get stronger for whatever reasons. the two aren’t mutually exclusive
He’s Gary Motherflipping Oak of course he has to be a jerk its in his character but his experience and maturity makes it come from a caring side rather than as a way of messing with someone like he did with Ash.
I feel like with Ash he always had that intent but with Gou the impact is more felt instead of nuance, which is a double edge sword since it's basically him and his gramps giving in-universe exposition bas to why they act the way they do so it breaks the immersion somehow. Saying what they're feeling and the reasons why they're acting as such is very telegraphed and having the charcaters doing the job of the narrator, at this point they should just wink at the audience and saying "our tough love is for Gou's own sake and development kids, in case you're not smart enough to understand". It's tell not show.🙄
#anipoke I feel like they should heavily develop their cast first but I definitely agree, I would also love to see a battle between Gary and Goh (Go) when the time is right for it!!! 😊
So does this episode explain why he rode around in a car full of cheerleaders at 10 years old? Edit: in the original Japanese version they’re referred to as his girlfriends, so he had like 5 girlfriends and a cool car. Or one of the gfs had a cool car.
If we were to quote Gary here, be it, a bit differently - "Gary was here, Goh is a loser". (I have nothing against Goh, he's one of my favorites, despite the hate)
I can agree to a degree. I think Gary meant to be motivating to Ash, but his delivery was all kinds of fucked up. In other words, his intentions may have been good, but his actions were pretty shitty. Nowadays, he's far more mature and knows how to dial it back enough to be a proper motivator, while still pushing Goh's buttons. Also, I think he thinks it's fun to be a dick to people, and if he can motivate them along the way then he can kill 2 birds with 1 stone
Honestly, I feel the way Gary talked to Goh was appalling. Like, Gary, You're humans, you're designed to be compassionate towards one another and constantly build each other up. In what way is giving someone hope a means of holding someone back from their goals?
Looking at the dialogue a bit from sub. I genuinely believe 4kids was trying to make us hate Gary by making him an asshole. When he was just trying to motivate Ash to keep going. However due to 4kids I can't say he's my favorite but he's undeniably my second favorite
Love yourself first and most Believe in yourself Quitters never win and winners never quit Don't give up and never give in Ignore those who try to discourage you Hang on to your dreams Take control of own destiny
Nope the show is about ash and his personal development, ash was going to improve Gary or no Gary. But a rival simply makes a series more interesting and adds a different dimension, but good theory, I think it could only apply if Gary was a constant in every single series for more than a couple episodes
Honestly I feel like there's some nitpicking when it comes to this episode with the dislikes cuz I thought it was pretty cool with Go being a bit selfish and wanting to prove himself with the Raid Battle since it was a Mew mission even if you messed up a lot. And I especially think it was cool because Articuno was a super strong legendary and I love how they made it so a couple of people say that it felt too broken which I really don't know how you can say that for a legendary but I guess that's just those Lumiose trainers. Also I really like the end where go realizes that Gary is provoking him so he can realize his mistakes and learn from them and actually caught me off-guard since I've always saw him as a jerk as well so it taught me a lesson as well. However overall I will agree that I don't think go should have gotten rewarded so that the lesson could have honed in that he needed to improve his teamwork skills even if Gary can be a bit of a jerk and headstrong leader sometimes he means well, even if he's a loser at showing it. 😜
2:25 - That's true, but the thing is, that could have just been Oak saying that to push Ash forward. Gary might not have ever said anything like that. 2:35 - Gary is still a rival at the end of the day, regardless of what he says to Goh in Journeys.
I partially agree! I think he genuinely was arrogant in the beginning for a few reasons. I think Gary has always been smart, but I think genius without humility yields the boasting arrogance he begin with, coupled with his inherited celebrity status to Prof. Oak. I think his experiences and losses have matured him, but his brilliant mind allows him to navigate that snarkiness and he is mature enough to consciously use it to poke and prod others to improve just as Prof. Oak does but in his own way
I wouldn’t even call this a theory at this point. What you’ve stated has been the pointy orb Gary’s character since the end of hoenn/start of sinnoh. Hes existed to show ash that there not only are other routes You can take in your life but also that there will always be stronger challenges. Gary essentially pushed ash to go to sinnoh if I remember correctly.
I believe Gary just stayed like that now with Go, at the time he was Ash's rival, he really was just petty. But the characters were maturing in some way, and now he is like this.
Though Gary's encounters with Ash during the Kanto seasons were so few and far between compared to Ash's overall journey that it is a bit hard to imagine this would be too effective in the planning stages. Hey what if Gary was doing it with the other 2 unnamed trainers that got out from Pallet Town with the other starters? That'd explain why he wasn't all that consistently seeing Ash as a main rival. Maybe that act was harsher at first and had a hand in the retirement of at least 1 of them, leading to a readjusting of the act in a more toned down manner? By Go's time Gary would have had the act down to a T. I'm not really watching Journeys but the chameos are amusing to hear about, I am curious to know if Journeys ties the Chronicles episodes with the main story, because I remember Gary had become more of a scientist back in that special.
I personally believe that the Gary we got was the wrong one. 4kids did a lot of mistakes when they dubbed the anime (They went as far as to kill Brock's mother while in the original, she was alive.) So I believe Gary's role was as an extension of his Grandfather. To make sure that Ash succeeds and remain focus on defeating him and in order to do that, he has to make sure that he was a good challenger for him. And that makes me my favorite character now. Gary isn't a jerk, he just provoke those he find promising but lack something. 4kids really messed up the character.
Gary was a bit of a jerk to Ash but that’s just him being himself , but still he really did wanted Ash to improve as a Trainer. But that’s just what he really wanted Ash to do all along.
Umm... Of course Gary was trying to get ash to improve... That's what a Rival is FOR. the Rivalry between them was set up in several flashbacks In the Johto series... They were rivals LONG before they had pokemon. By giving ash his half of the Symbolic broken PokeBall they mutually fished up. He acknowledged ash had improved. THAT'S ALSO when he stopped being Antagonistic toward ash. Because he didn't NEED a tough Rival anymore... Instead, they could go back to simply being Friends on similar but different paths... That Gary isn't as big an ass as he pretended to be Is not New information.
People were definitely seeing Gary the wrong way. The English dub doesn’t help. Gary and blue are literally ash and red’s best friends. People took the dialogue in the games the wrong way. Blue In the games was supposed to be more like a competitive friend pushing u to be better. Not bullying you. Oooo u mentioned the Japanese dub in the anime. Thank you. One of very few RUclipsrs to do so
There is a possibility that he wanted Ash to improve because Gary wasn’t a prideful boy, he respected others and loved Pokémon. Maybe he wanted Ash, who he knew for a long time become a trainer who focused on bonding with Pokémon instead of being a power hungry seeker like most of the trainers you could find.
Gary was always my favorite. Ash was stupid. Specially the first season. He wanted to become a Pokémon master? He didn't had basic knowledge or knew the rules like max 6 pokemon. And didn't knew pokemon. Always checked his pokedex. (but i get why if wanna make a tv series) Yes gary tried to improve ash to grow and challenge him. And finally he reached a point. So yes of course respect. Okay maybe Gary was hard first season and maybe not writers idea back then. We all grow up. Gary knew what he wanted, was strong. Evolved his pokemon and was always a step ahead. The guy even had 10 badges in Kanto.
lol. Pokémon lore can be changed if they want to change. You have the hindsight to see clearly now that they hold it in front of your face and tell you what it is. That doesn’t mean that its what it originally was. Gary was NOT originally written in this light. ALWAYS remember that. Stop letting these writers retcon the original before there is nothing that we recognize.
Garry could be one of the Top 8 and his battles have been hidden from the public. The one thing we don't have is a Professor that specialises his studies in battles. (kukui studies moves which is different) Garry still uses Pokemon, most Professors don't tend to have a team ready, Kukui is an exception as he was champion as well. So Garry could one of the top 8 and using what he's experiencing to become a Professor of battling.
But I'm kinda jealous i shipped Gary and Ash but seeing he acts the same way with go makes my health heavy for some reason....it feels like it's sinking.....him teasing Ash was my best reason to ship those two as I always knew he did this to motivate him.....
Honestly boy I see Gary Oaks or me it's always going to be blue Oak supposed to be Ash's one childhood best friend and brother in a sentence to him he was never mad at him he was proud of him he wanted him to succeed wanted to have his friend become what he said he wanted to do
I just watched season two episode one. I saw the intro. I got so so sooooooo excited because I thought Gary was Blue. I’ve always liked Pokémon but I LOVED Pokémon origins. I’ll take ur word this was good as I enjoyed journeys season one but this really upset me haha.
Gary says all the terrible things so Ash improves correct because when he not around he says nice stuff about him. Do you know why his doing this instead of minding is own business and buggers off. Because his related to Professor Oak and you don't know their conventions before ash got up late early one morning in the first episode. We all know who is Oak is the 4ever movie and I don't really need to explain why he looking out for Ash do I? Nope I don't.
I believe you are both right and wrong wrong in that Gary wasn't originally this way from the start right in that he did utilized this mentality for Ash during their rivalry see Gary was a very cocky and arrogant trainer being Oak's Grandson and having lots of experience, talent and knowledge with Pokemon beforehand more than Ash ever did and he was doing very well for a very long time in his Kanto journey too and he did actually considered Ash to be inferior to him like he said in the Japanese version "the fourth place guy" thats how he always looked on him thinking he was a barely competent and bad trainer who only got to this point because of luck (he was not wrong though Kanto Ash was a by book definition of rookie ngl) Gary was always an overachiever as he also went on to collect 10 Gym badges instead of just 8 to flaunt by exceeding the minimum Gym badge count needed for Indigo League registration but then he saw Ash battle TR in the Viridian Gym and how he commanded his Pokemon in battle and showed care and concern for them while also fighting bravely and being determined to win the badge at any cost even after TR rigging the match with the Neuroshock stage to the point when by the time of Pokemon league he called Ash a trainer who is good just not as good as him but then everything changed and Gary's entire world view shattered when he lost in top 32 of Pokemon League as his entire view of himself as a Pokemon trainer crumbled around him followed by the fact that Ash crossed him and made his way to top 16 thus outperforming him after a while of absence and soul searching and reshaping his personality he returned with his Pokemon to give Ash the beatdown he needed just after his big Orange League victory using nothing but his Eevee to beat his Pikachu who just defeated a Champion level Dragonite this is where he became the Gary who respected Ash as a trainer and pushed him to become a better trainer by continuing his rivalry all the way into Johto League over the time Gary himself did self introspection and realized that battles isn't his jam and not something he is really into so decided to pursue becoming a professor instead by retiring from battles altogether and thus eventually meeting Goh and continuing his style that he used on Ash all the way back in their Johto days my point being Gary wasn't this kind of person originally but through trial and error and his experiences on his journey grew and shaped into that type person by the time Johto started and only continued to grow further BTW Thanks for the info that Gary wasn't mentioned in Episode 2 of the anime
I think we can all agree 4kids messed up the translation of the original series, and to get the real picture of the anime, we'll have to track down a subbed version of the original series and watch it as too many important things were changed in the English dub.
i have my thoughts about this, back in the days, Gary was a 10 years old kid, so he acted like one, specially comming from a famous family, but at the end of jhoto, he grew up, he undestood and mature, so now that he is a totally new and mature 10 years old kid, he knows that go can be the best like Ash, but he lacks a rival that pushes him to be the best, that show how a 10 yeards old kid can mature and grown up, making the mos beautyful characted development form a bratty 10yo little kid to a now mentor, in his own way, 10yo little kid.
I'd be more inclined to think in the camp of Gary saw that his antagonistic behavior towards Ash, at least in the English dub, pushed Ash further than he would have reached without something to prove.
there can only be one pokemon champion. he was probably more hostile in the beginning. he probably got nicer after ash beat him. in his current goal its more of a team effort. now he wants powerful team mates.
I have to disagree on the latest Pokemon Journeys episode since no one was prepared to face Articuno since they would of brought Ice Type Pokemon with their raid battle like Goh's Dewgong or his recent caught Cloyster since they resist Ice Type Pokemon and should be immune to Sheer Cold which the Wild Articuno was using several times for the rest of the episode.
In fairness, Blue was never openly hostile to Red in the games. Yeah, he was a bit of a jerk, but I alwasy kinda just saw that as playful banter. It always seemed to me that Ash disliked Garry a lot more than Garry disliked Ash.
Gary was just a legendary troll. He could make anyone hate him back then. Except for girls lol.
''oh,your pokemon aren't dead yet?'' seemed rather sinister considering team rocket killed all the cubones in pokemon tower......
Trying to make Ash spin in circles for food on Cinnabar island when they were hungry was pretty messed up. Gary definitely was the hostile one to Ash in the beginning. Ash would even try to make peace with Gary sometimes, like complimenting him on his studying or offering them to tie during an argument over a poke ball, and Gary STILL would respond by being mean.
To be fair there’s a theory that we murdered his Raticate
Blue was
Gary was
Sure they were rivals but it seemed to me that Blue and Gary wanted to put Ash and Red down and make them feel like losers by wanting to beat them over and over again and making jokes about them in their face
I think that originally, Gary really was a jerk with Ash, but grew to respect him as he improved. He figured that one of the reasons that Ash did so well was Because Of their rivalry, thus he's only pretending in order to motivate Goh. Plus, I think Gary sees a little of himself in Goh with his "catch first, ask questions later" attitude. Despite Goh also attempts to actually understand and be friends with his Pokémon and not just catch them all.
My proof was actually during one of the episodes right before the Kanto League. The one where everyone thought that Ash and Gary would finally battle each other.
In that episode the two of them compared PokéDexes. Despite all of Ash's Tauros, Gary Caught the most Pokémon ( hands down, but Ash actually looked up the most Pokémon. Heck, even more than Gary actually caught. It's at that point the two of them (at the very least) started to realize that they just simply had different philosophies when it came to Pokémon. Now look at Gary after he lost the Kanto League and stopped being Ash's Rival, he became a researcher and found that he honestly enjoys it. I think that, just like with his Eevee evolving into Umbreon (which was exclusively a Friendship evolution at the time), Gary also sort of "Evolved" as a Trainer. Simply because he started to try to Understand his Pokémon more than he originally did.
To say the truth he probably didnt think so far in the original series as he also had just began like ash but over time he realised and gained experience and now he sees someone whom he thinks he can help so he does this now
*JUST look* at the very first scene of Ash and Gary in the anime.
Gary has teased Ash, but it was obvious to me that it was not out of spite or meanness. Reminded me of how big brothers behave towards their little ones.
Overall, Gary is a good lad.
I think people forget Gary and Ash are Rivals and not enemies. Unlike Paul lol
Gary is the best. The episode was fantastic.
I think this theory has grounds for being real.
Where can I watch the original series subbed like the clips in the video?
Man Pokemon Journey didn't blend with me at first but once he started meeting older characters i started liking it.
Your probably more correct. I was just re watching the Indigo league and After Ash won round 2 Gary said to himself "He won 1 match and he act like he won the entire tournament" Something Ash breaks out of by x and Y. but might be a dub thing again. I like the japanese subs
If gary was a jerk to make Ash train he failed. Look at how little Ash trained his Pokemon himself. Charizard helped him win and had training on his own.
Regardless if people like the writing and pacing of Journeys or not, the message is there but this episode is both good and bad depending on viewers who watched it, As a massive fan of Goh myself, I personally loved it a lot and always been a fan of Project Mew episodes but I completely understand why many wouldn’t like this episode, especially from a narrative perspective but I think what the writers were intended to do was focusing on realism and acknowledging that everyone has their own flaws in which I personally appreciate but from a narrative standpoint, its moreso about telling the story and not showing it, not to mention that everyone’s mindset is completely different considering that people are going to judge it on what they see; Some like the writing and pacing of Journeys, some don’t and I personally love Journeys as my fourth favorite series but I respect those who completely dislike it, problem here is that they are trying to multitask everything at once but it doesn’t work in this one.
I would like for the staff and production team to play around with the episodes in terms of the personalities of Ash and Goh’s Pokémon, more training episodes, focusing more on the concepts of cooperation, Project Mew, PWC and etc.
I get that many people are completely disappointed with the writing and pacing of Journeys but despite that I don’t mind it and I am still having a lot of fun watching it, I am just grateful for what we currently have and that’s matters to me personally!!! 👏
#anipoke #PokemonJourneys
Its called tsundere.
I assumingly guess that Ash's father inherited the-so called position of Team Rocket HQ as the CEO or president position but his father knows that he will never see the accomplishments Ash achieved and when Delia knew his husband was part of an organization runs by bad guys she was frustrated and promised that he would never get his son away from her to inherit what his father's position to run the Team Rocket HQ higher than Giovanni's position. Delia is still keeping secret to Ash why his father left him and her, although she is finding some time to explain to Ash the whereabouts of his father. I know the saying that mom chooses the best things and person to you.
Nah Gary was a jerk to ash, but he started to grow up. You could see it after they spoke when he lost in the indigo league. And then again after their battle before heading to Johto. Gary was starting to mature, and after their Johto conference battle Gary fully acknowledged Ash
I'm glad someone finally understands, unlike ZAC
Also, I think it's ironic that you praise this episode, yet don't talk about the thing that makes people hate the episode (Goh being more of a Mary Sue), at all. I still think a good twist would be for Professor Amaranth to turn out to be evil and give Goh a 'WHAT HAVE I DONE' moment. If I was writing it, that's what I'd do.
I completely agree. Gary was really spot on in the recent episode. And they handled it well. My only complaint is how they did Goh. I feel like if they made him fail the mission it would’ve been a bit better. Because Goh really needs to learn and progress more, and seeing that would def be a boost. But wow the ending of the episode was a shock to see too! Good job writers!
Goh did get less medals tho
Gary and Horace did get extra points to make up for it, which might imply that Goh is falling behind them
Yes I don't know why they even show ash weak to make goh look good.
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Did not watch the series yet. Is Goh a cute, adorable character or an annoying one?
I remember in a really old interview with Tajiri, that stated Gary is meant to be a mentor to Ash, in a way that Miyamoto was to him. Which is why the characters are named after them. (What he's doing to Goh now actually isn't too different to what he did with Ash; early dub kinda erased away a few aspects of it in favor of making Gary more jerk-ish) Considering that both after the Orange League and Battle Frontier Gary was used to humble Ash and keep him moving, the whole "start each region anew with just Pikachu" Ash got from Gary [starting research with just Blastoise] after Johto, Ash getting motivated after envisioning Gary speaking to him when he received that postcard, helping Ash with Gligar...That part of him was always there, it just moved on to Goh.
So, it's Gary's fault all of Ash's Pokémon have been consigned to an eternity being forgotten at Professor Oak's lab.
@@rjfrost7090 yeah pretty much. I like it tho cause it's fun to see them all together when he goes back to Pallet Town.
@@rjfrost7090 I wouldn’t say forgotten considering anytime he returns to Pallet Town he pays them a visit. Plus it could be worse: they could’ve been stuck in Pokéballs during that time
@@Swampert384 That's really not much better.
I can count the number of battles Kingler and Palpitoad have had with Ash on one hand.
And then there's the fact that Ash probably can't tell any of his 30 Tauros apart from each other.
Professor Oak's lab is probably nice, but you'd likely see everything it has to offer after a few weeks stuck there and quickly grow bored not doing anything with your Trainer.
Iwata said Miyamoto was a mentor to him as well.
I think this is Gary's way of delivering motivation. Gary thinks that if he provokes people, it will push them to do better and ultimately stand toe to toe with him. Is this a sure fire way to help others. Not exaclty but it did seem to help Ash and Goh.
but Ash never trained Pokemon just because Gary was a jerk.
1) F*** the name "Horace".
2) I think early Gary was immature and overconfident to the point of arrogant during the Kanto season. The man believed his own hype. I mean, the guy had freaking cheerleaders for crying out loud. I started seeing "maturity" in Gary in those two episodes after the Orange Islands Arc(the ones where Gary saves everyone from the Circus then beats Ash with his Eevee). There was a lot more humility and honest self-assessment from Gary after he beat Ash during that battle. Gary has done a lot of growing over the 25 years of the anime, just as Ash has.
Well Gary was Ash's Childhood friend so I don't think he dont want ash to be the very best . I think he wants ash to be the very best that's why Gary always Showed Ash How Weak he is like when ash thought he is strong after winning in Orange island but Gary Destroyed him in battle then he also beat ash after Battle frontier win . So may be Gary was trying to pull the Best out of ash .
That sounds about right. Remember after Gary beat Ash post Battle Frontier he told Ash about the Sinnoh region and told him to check it out. Clearly wanting Ash to compete in that league
That doesn't make Ash better.
That theory could go in both directions. Gary could have been wanting Ash to improve this entire time but it’s also possible he could have just been the equivalent of a brother picking on his sibling but still cared about him. He did write on a sign once “Gary was here Ash is a loser” which could also throw the theory off. But clearly that was a 4kids edit. I wonder what was written originally
The sign originally said "Shigeru has arrived! Satoshi is a moron!", with an overlay of Gary taunting that gets edited out of the dub. (So the context was basically the same, but the main thing with their rivalry was Ash being behind Gary and is trying to catch up to him)
I like to think him taunting Goh is because he saw the problem he had back in his early days, helping Goh realise what he needs to change the same way he did long ago, as he knows firsthand that not adapting will cost him in the long run.
Yeah that seems to be Go’s problem. Things came to easy at first and when they started to become difficult he started to hit the wall. The same thing that happened to Gary.
Gary was a legit Rival in the beginning but as he got older he gained a respect for others, it's a growing up tale imo he has an impeccable Character Arc
I have to disagree. I think Gary was more immature in the early seasons and completely drops his old persona by Sinnoh. When Gary first appears in journeys, he demonstrates that he's able to imitate his old personality. I don't think he was acting until journeys
If Gary met Giovanni when they talked about Ash won the earth badge from the 1st season then I assume that Giovanni reports to the father of Ash regarding improvements that Ash achieved in 8 generations like he's now the Champion of Alola Region and now he's reaching his goal to be a monarch against Leon.
they're still 10 years old though
to be honest with you, I disagree, back when Ash was being his journey and was competing for against Gary to earn gym badges, I don't think that in the writer's minds, they thought of garys charter as improving Ash as a battler. in pokemon journeys, it seems like the storyline has shifted to each episode having a more powerful meaning behind it, and this could be one of those powerful meanings. as in the original Takeshi Shudō depicted the anime to be in a more dark sense as he openly admitted. and when watching journeys, I could depict various lessons within episodes like episode 87 and episode 96. and so the writers of journeys most likely wanted Gary's charter in journeys to be more helpful/mature.
For me, Gary in OG always felt like he was naturally snarky, but learnt how to use that to push Ash along and forward. Not to mention both him and Ash were hot headed with each other over not that pokeball, but Gary's comment that drawing with Ash was losing to him, which made Ash think how Gary viewed his own talent as a traine... Oh.
I get it now😅
But I think he started to do that *intentionally* only recently with Goh.
Ah, Gary! One of my all time favorite characters of Pokémon.
tbh it could be both. there’s definitely some snarkiness that gary always has regardless of season, you can still want to trounce a rival while wanting them to get stronger for whatever reasons. the two aren’t mutually exclusive
He’s Gary Motherflipping Oak of course he has to be a jerk its in his character but his experience and maturity makes it come from a caring side rather than as a way of messing with someone like he did with Ash.
I feel like with Ash he always had that intent but with Gou the impact is more felt instead of nuance, which is a double edge sword since it's basically him and his gramps giving in-universe exposition bas to why they act the way they do so it breaks the immersion somehow. Saying what they're feeling and the reasons why they're acting as such is very telegraphed and having the charcaters doing the job of the narrator, at this point they should just wink at the audience and saying "our tough love is for Gou's own sake and development kids, in case you're not smart enough to understand". It's tell not show.🙄
I hope we get a battle between Gary and Goh
#anipoke
I feel like they should heavily develop their cast first but I definitely agree, I would also love to see a battle between Gary and Goh (Go) when the time is right for it!!! 😊
Yeah, but a battle between ash and Gary would be epic
No. Goh sucks end of story
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So does this episode explain why he rode around in a car full of cheerleaders at 10 years old?
Edit: in the original Japanese version they’re referred to as his girlfriends, so he had like 5 girlfriends and a cool car. Or one of the gfs had a cool car.
If we were to quote Gary here, be it, a bit differently - "Gary was here, Goh is a loser".
(I have nothing against Goh, he's one of my favorites, despite the hate)
I can agree to a degree. I think Gary meant to be motivating to Ash, but his delivery was all kinds of fucked up. In other words, his intentions may have been good, but his actions were pretty shitty.
Nowadays, he's far more mature and knows how to dial it back enough to be a proper motivator, while still pushing Goh's buttons.
Also, I think he thinks it's fun to be a dick to people, and if he can motivate them along the way then he can kill 2 birds with 1 stone
Honestly, I feel the way Gary talked to Goh was appalling. Like, Gary, You're humans, you're designed to be compassionate towards one another and constantly build each other up. In what way is giving someone hope a means of holding someone back from their goals?
Looking at the dialogue a bit from sub. I genuinely believe 4kids was trying to make us hate Gary by making him an asshole. When he was just trying to motivate Ash to keep going. However due to 4kids I can't say he's my favorite but he's undeniably my second favorite
Love yourself first and most
Believe in yourself
Quitters never win and winners never quit
Don't give up and never give in
Ignore those who try to discourage you
Hang on to your dreams
Take control of own destiny
hey i have a question, how can i watch all of the original pokemon in Japanese sub? Is there a public website that has it?
The other two trainers in Gary’s words the "other two gave up and flunked out”
Nope the show is about ash and his personal development, ash was going to improve Gary or no Gary. But a rival simply makes a series more interesting and adds a different dimension, but good theory, I think it could only apply if Gary was a constant in every single series for more than a couple episodes
Honestly he can talk like that to Goh forever for all I care it makes me happy lol. I hate Goh so much
Love this and this Gary Oak gives off Blue Vibes from Pokémon Masters EX with the Same outfit as his Pokémon Masters Ex Counter Part.
Honestly I feel like there's some nitpicking when it comes to this episode with the dislikes cuz I thought it was pretty cool with Go being a bit selfish and wanting to prove himself with the Raid Battle since it was a Mew mission even if you messed up a lot. And I especially think it was cool because Articuno was a super strong legendary and I love how they made it so a couple of people say that it felt too broken which I really don't know how you can say that for a legendary but I guess that's just those Lumiose trainers.
Also I really like the end where go realizes that Gary is provoking him so he can realize his mistakes and learn from them and actually caught me off-guard since I've always saw him as a jerk as well so it taught me a lesson as well. However overall I will agree that I don't think go should have gotten rewarded so that the lesson could have honed in that he needed to improve his teamwork skills even if Gary can be a bit of a jerk and headstrong leader sometimes he means well, even if he's a loser at showing it. 😜
Yeah ash needs to improve he only got 8 badges gary got 10 so bad
2:25 - That's true, but the thing is, that could have just been Oak saying that to push Ash forward. Gary might not have ever said anything like that.
2:35 - Gary is still a rival at the end of the day, regardless of what he says to Goh in Journeys.
Each of us need a friend like Gary who can help us to improve 😁
I partially agree! I think he genuinely was arrogant in the beginning for a few reasons. I think Gary has always been smart, but I think genius without humility yields the boasting arrogance he begin with, coupled with his inherited celebrity status to Prof. Oak. I think his experiences and losses have matured him, but his brilliant mind allows him to navigate that snarkiness and he is mature enough to consciously use it to poke and prod others to improve just as Prof. Oak does but in his own way
To be honest i thought this was pretty obvious with how kind he acted to ash after he became better and stronger
I wouldn’t even call this a theory at this point. What you’ve stated has been the pointy orb Gary’s character since the end of hoenn/start of sinnoh. Hes existed to show ash that there not only are other routes You can take in your life but also that there will always be stronger challenges. Gary essentially pushed ash to go to sinnoh if I remember correctly.
I agree. The translations sucks sometimes.
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I believe Gary just stayed like that now with Go, at the time he was Ash's rival, he really was just petty. But the characters were maturing in some way, and now he is like this.
Though Gary's encounters with Ash during the Kanto seasons were so few and far between compared to Ash's overall journey that it is a bit hard to imagine this would be too effective in the planning stages. Hey what if Gary was doing it with the other 2 unnamed trainers that got out from Pallet Town with the other starters? That'd explain why he wasn't all that consistently seeing Ash as a main rival. Maybe that act was harsher at first and had a hand in the retirement of at least 1 of them, leading to a readjusting of the act in a more toned down manner? By Go's time Gary would have had the act down to a T. I'm not really watching Journeys but the chameos are amusing to hear about, I am curious to know if Journeys ties the Chronicles episodes with the main story, because I remember Gary had become more of a scientist back in that special.
I personally believe that the Gary we got was the wrong one. 4kids did a lot of mistakes when they dubbed the anime (They went as far as to kill Brock's mother while in the original, she was alive.) So I believe Gary's role was as an extension of his Grandfather. To make sure that Ash succeeds and remain focus on defeating him and in order to do that, he has to make sure that he was a good challenger for him. And that makes me my favorite character now. Gary isn't a jerk, he just provoke those he find promising but lack something.
4kids really messed up the character.
Gary was a bit of a jerk to Ash but that’s just him being himself , but still he really did wanted Ash to improve as a Trainer.
But that’s just what he really wanted Ash to do all along.
I thought that was pretty obvious, but I guess some confirmation on something that has already been confirmed is nice.
Umm... Of course Gary was trying to get ash to improve... That's what a Rival is FOR. the Rivalry between them was set up in several flashbacks In the Johto series... They were rivals LONG before they had pokemon. By giving ash his half of the Symbolic broken PokeBall they mutually fished up. He acknowledged ash had improved. THAT'S ALSO when he stopped being Antagonistic toward ash. Because he didn't NEED a tough Rival anymore... Instead, they could go back to simply being Friends on similar but different paths... That Gary isn't as big an ass as he pretended to be Is not New information.
People were definitely seeing Gary the wrong way. The English dub doesn’t help.
Gary and blue are literally ash and red’s best friends. People took the dialogue in the games the wrong way. Blue In the games was supposed to be more like a competitive friend pushing u to be better. Not bullying you.
Oooo u mentioned the Japanese dub in the anime. Thank you. One of very few RUclipsrs to do so
There is a possibility that he wanted Ash to improve because Gary wasn’t a prideful boy, he respected others and loved Pokémon. Maybe he wanted Ash, who he knew for a long time become a trainer who focused on bonding with Pokémon instead of being a power hungry seeker like most of the trainers you could find.
Gary was always my favorite. Ash was stupid. Specially the first season. He wanted to become a Pokémon master? He didn't had basic knowledge or knew the rules like max 6 pokemon. And didn't knew pokemon. Always checked his pokedex. (but i get why if wanna make a tv series)
Yes gary tried to improve ash to grow and challenge him. And finally he reached a point. So yes of course respect. Okay maybe Gary was hard first season and maybe not writers idea back then. We all grow up.
Gary knew what he wanted, was strong. Evolved his pokemon and was always a step ahead.
The guy even had 10 badges in Kanto.
lol. Pokémon lore can be changed if they want to change. You have the hindsight to see clearly now that they hold it in front of your face and tell you what it is. That doesn’t mean that its what it originally was.
Gary was NOT originally written in this light. ALWAYS remember that. Stop letting these writers retcon the original before there is nothing that we recognize.
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Garry could be one of the Top 8 and his battles have been hidden from the public.
The one thing we don't have is a Professor that specialises his studies in battles. (kukui studies moves which is different)
Garry still uses Pokemon, most Professors don't tend to have a team ready, Kukui is an exception as he was champion as well.
So Garry could one of the top 8 and using what he's experiencing to become a Professor of battling.
But I'm kinda jealous i shipped Gary and Ash but seeing he acts the same way with go makes my health heavy for some reason....it feels like it's sinking.....him teasing Ash was my best reason to ship those two as I always knew he did this to motivate him.....
Honestly boy I see Gary Oaks or me it's always going to be blue Oak supposed to be Ash's one childhood best friend and brother in a sentence to him he was never mad at him he was proud of him he wanted him to succeed wanted to have his friend become what he said he wanted to do
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I don't get why his character didn't have an encounter with Paul. They had the opportunity to do it. I really wanted to see it.
Gary is Also the only person his English voice remained the same despite the fact 4kids lost the contact to the show
I mean that’s the point of being somebody’s rival Yk
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He's a rival... thats what they do. Antagonize to stoke you to be better.
After gary got humbled by Mewtwo he has never been the same
Which episode was that? The one with Articuno.
Gary s voice sounds alot like rob paulsen
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I can’t believe Gary is back I need to watch this show again hopefully it’s still on Netflix
I just watched season two episode one. I saw the intro. I got so so sooooooo excited because I thought Gary was Blue. I’ve always liked Pokémon but I LOVED Pokémon origins. I’ll take ur word this was good as I enjoyed journeys season one but this really upset me haha.
Gary says all the terrible things so Ash improves correct because when he not around he says nice stuff about him. Do you know why his doing this instead of minding is own business and buggers off. Because his related to Professor Oak and you don't know their conventions before ash got up late early one morning in the first episode. We all know who is Oak is the 4ever movie and I don't really need to explain why he looking out for Ash do I? Nope I don't.
I believe you are both right and wrong
wrong in that Gary wasn't originally this way from the start
right in that he did utilized this mentality for Ash during their rivalry
see Gary was a very cocky and arrogant trainer being Oak's Grandson and having lots of experience, talent and knowledge with Pokemon beforehand more than Ash ever did
and he was doing very well for a very long time in his Kanto journey too and he did actually considered Ash to be inferior to him like he said in the Japanese version "the fourth place guy" thats how he always looked on him thinking he was a barely competent and bad trainer who only got to this point because of luck (he was not wrong though Kanto Ash was a by book definition of rookie ngl)
Gary was always an overachiever as he also went on to collect 10 Gym badges instead of just 8 to flaunt by exceeding the minimum Gym badge count needed for Indigo League registration
but then he saw Ash battle TR in the Viridian Gym and how he commanded his Pokemon in battle and showed care and concern for them while also fighting bravely and being determined to win the badge at any cost even after TR rigging the match with the Neuroshock stage to the point when by the time of Pokemon league he called Ash a trainer who is good just not as good as him
but then everything changed and Gary's entire world view shattered when he lost in top 32 of Pokemon League as his entire view of himself as a Pokemon trainer crumbled around him followed by the fact that Ash crossed him and made his way to top 16 thus outperforming him
after a while of absence and soul searching and reshaping his personality he returned with his Pokemon to give Ash the beatdown he needed just after his big Orange League victory using nothing but his Eevee to beat his Pikachu who just defeated a Champion level Dragonite
this is where he became the Gary who respected Ash as a trainer and pushed him to become a better trainer by continuing his rivalry all the way into Johto League over the time Gary himself did self introspection and realized that battles isn't his jam and not something he is really into so decided to pursue becoming a professor instead by retiring from battles altogether
and thus eventually meeting Goh and continuing his style that he used on Ash all the way back in their Johto days
my point being Gary wasn't this kind of person originally but through trial and error and his experiences on his journey grew and shaped into that type person by the time Johto started and only continued to grow further
BTW Thanks for the info that Gary wasn't mentioned in Episode 2 of the anime
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I think we can all agree 4kids messed up the translation of the original series, and to get the real picture of the anime, we'll have to track down a subbed version of the original series and watch it as too many important things were changed in the English dub.
i have my thoughts about this, back in the days, Gary was a 10 years old kid, so he acted like one, specially comming from a famous family, but at the end of jhoto, he grew up, he undestood and mature, so now that he is a totally new and mature 10 years old kid, he knows that go can be the best like Ash, but he lacks a rival that pushes him to be the best, that show how a 10 yeards old kid can mature and grown up, making the mos beautyful characted development form a bratty 10yo little kid to a now mentor, in his own way, 10yo little kid.
I'd be more inclined to think in the camp of Gary saw that his antagonistic behavior towards Ash, at least in the English dub, pushed Ash further than he would have reached without something to prove.
there can only be one pokemon champion. he was probably more hostile in the beginning.
he probably got nicer after ash beat him.
in his current goal its more of a team effort. now he wants powerful team mates.
Gary never cared about Ash losing, even when he was mean to him, he was always leading him into a direction and was firing him up to do better
The new art style makes Gary look like a Digimon character. I like, can't unseen this.
Ya not going to correct yourself on the Johto leage but everything else you did, it's the Silver Confrance
You mean Green? o:
I have to disagree on the latest Pokemon Journeys episode since no one was prepared to face Articuno since they would of brought Ice Type Pokemon with their raid battle like Goh's Dewgong or his recent caught Cloyster since they resist Ice Type Pokemon and should be immune to Sheer Cold which the Wild Articuno was using several times for the rest of the episode.
omg baby subject of COURSE thats what he is doing
what truth?
Gary wouldn't have said that Ash was a good trainer if he faced up Mewtwo
i dont think writing ash is a loser on a road sign is trying to make him improve haha