@Janusha im basically saying that when the ability trimming happened it made the spec into spam incenerate/shadow bolt until X soul shards/ embers cant remember at this point to lob out this huge damage spell. It basically felt like you were being timegated between dealing damage. Demo was the king of MoP pvp imo and Aff was usually king in single target fights in any fight that didnt require alot of movement or had multiple targets. Destro always sits someplace in the middle.
1) locks are not like frost mages. Blink/poly not in same school as frost so your not locked out entirely 2) UA does way too much of aff damage. No motivation to multidot...in a multi dot class....except maybe getting more shards. 3) re-roll DH
Well as a main DK I have a warlock alt and tbh i had no issues with LvLing him in solo or group content. I am doing really good in dungeons either in affliction or destro. Mind you i am not touching demo as i just dont like the playstyle. I must say that this is the first video i see about warlocks beeing bad so i wont take much from it and just keep enyoing my alt warlock.
Due to fight mechanics warlocks will do high damage because aff is strong. I think he is pointing out the dps number of 9k being low but idk just speculation.
I will immediately start maining my lock if they put destro back to a 1:1 build instead of the shards WoD / MoP destro locks were the funnest class in the game imo (rip aoe chaos bolt
I remember when Chaos Bolt was actually pretty scary, and you did everything to not get hit. now you just face tank that bitch and kill the warlock without any problems.
You’re supposed to keep haunt and one UA (more if you have shards or are about to burst) on the target while keeping agony,corrupt, and SL up and phantom singularity on cooldown
Imo locks shouldn't be able to port on lockouts. I play a lock and itd be incredibly op if you could. You should be punished for lockouts and locks are no different.
I get triggered when people say bro why you playing mm. Steady aim traits with steady focus talent build is op. You can't play mm with out it. Feels like my feral days of legion where I was top dog in single target but had lacking aoe. Not being able to gear swap during a M+ is the only thing that really hurts MM. I'd love to run rapid reload for trash then throw on my steady aim set for the boss.
As a lifelong warlock I have to say destro is the most boring Immolate , conflag, incinerate incinerate incinerate incinerate, chaos bolt with backdraft
You should play other classes, most classes are just as basic, not sure why lock is being focused as the braindead class when almost every spec is the same.
allowing casters to cast while moving would help them all. they did it once and it was great but apparently melee complained that casters werent standing free kills and blizzard listened...
Nah, moving while casting is noob shit. Mages and Warlocks crying because the mean rogues keep killing me. That was the single worst change made in the name of making classes more accessible to bad kids.
I was a warlock main until Legion when I went druid for flexibility but I still played my lock a lot and even mained him at the end when I changed guilds. The ONLY reason I leveled him this expansion is because I had 92 exalted reputations and was going after the 100 achievement before they made the announcement that the reps for the achievement would be account wide. Since I just finished Talons Vengance and will gradually finish the new reps to hit 100 I will basically never play him again since the class has been completely gutted. My fresh (as of typing I hit 120 yesterday around lunch time) rogue can get into pug mythic plus with a fraction of the effort as my lock who has decent gear.
Locks are probably one of the few classes blizzard aren't worrying about, affliction is perfectly fine and destro is decent, there are many other classes who have specs that even if its the best dps spec for the class you still do shit dps. I'm a frost mage, now our aoe is godly but single target is shit, and according to warcraftlogs frost is our best spec for Uldir, I love frost as it is, but I'd love to go back to fire but can't because of how shit it is, don't think I've actually seen someone play fire in bfa yet. Every class has problems but complaining about a class that has one of the strongest specs in the current tier with another spec that's decent with the right gear I just find it as they can't play the spec they want to, bfa does have tuning issues we can all agree but locks aren't on blizzards list of specs to fix.
Thomas Reid they desperately need help in pvp, and I can tell you haven't played a warlock. Affliction is essentially the only viable pve spec with destro just recently becoming playable, and the rotations are horrendous. Destro only deals okay damage once every three minutes and affliction is more consistent but still revolves around one cool-down
Can you tell? I wonder what class I levelled 2 weeks ago, destro is decent, not great but it's decent, I'm always gonna go affliction have been playing affliction on my lock since WoD and no destro done right can deal good damage fairly regularly, if they didnt then they'd be lower on the dps rankings
here i thought warlocks were over powered in bfa. ive never been out damaged on my ilvl378 warlock in uldir or m+. demo is crap but destro is good and affliction is broken. this dude has no idea what hes talking about. our traits are so strong, we have been nerfed in every single hotfix and we are still over performing.
Does this guy actually play a Warlock??? Because Warlocks are fine. Maybe he’s just bad at playing warlock, because I mean he was straight up wrong about the affliction rotation
he obviously just hates it so much he wont play it, but he knows what hes talking about with destro and demo but i actually enjoy destro but demo is by far the most fun spec to play for warlocks and actually made me want to main a caster for the first time in 8 years of playing this game
@@dyrixpvp402 thats because those logs go against other people that are running destro lmao. it is still weaker then affliction in every raid encounter
bullshits. saying only about non skill caping classes. If you know how to play you can be top dps as destro and as affli in raids and m+ ...dont scum comunity
I'm so confused right now,if warlocks are so bad why do I keep doing 40+% of the groups dps on bosses whenever I run 5 mans? Now to be clear my warlock is an alt with really low ilvl ''330 or so'' so I have no idea how they perform at higher level of play but in heroics I'm doing about half of the damage of entire group even when other people in the group have better gear. Also when asmongold did his Uldir mythic runs 2 affliction warlocks were constantly on top of the damage meters. So wtf is going on here?
Isn't it obvious to you from the way you made your comment? You do 40% of the groups dps, yet warlocks are bottom tier dps when it comes to sims and progression raiding guilds? In case you still don't get it: The people you play with have no idea how to play their class...
@@Jonathan-fw6ty Affliction and destro warlock are respectivly second and third on sims right now, where exactly do you get your infos ? www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html try this
jesus christ... "why am i outperforming retards in heroics?????" gee wiz bro, idk, maybe because people queing HCs are braindead spergs that cant even tie their own shoes? warlocks are garbage in m+ unless you have specific gear and azerite just for m+ and know exactly how to play in a dungeon setting (talking about high m+ keys). You cant compare yourself or others to randoms in easy content.
Warlocks are one of the hardest classes in the game behind the lines. They have a high skill cap. So a shit player will do shit dps. but someone who isnt braindead and can play the class like its meant to be, will usually top dps in almost every situation
I dont get it. warlocks were literally king dps in every single scenario for the **** ENTIRETY OF LEGION***** and now, after BFA launches, they are not ***THE BEST CLASS EVER*** for ......... ****ONE MONTH******, we have people LOSING THEIR MIND. this guy complaining 'they are very squishy' after litearlly ***ALLL OF LEGION*** being the MOST TANKY dps IN THE GAMEEEEEEEE.
If it's not fun to play it's not for me anymore. That's the approach I take with classes and specs . I switched my main because I wasn't happy with changes. Now all is good.
Anastasios Meros How many warrior tanks have you seen in your groups ? Nobody is playing warlock. Everyone is playing follow the leader. I literally know one person playing warlock.
MOP was the glory days of destro Warlock and i feel though days are long gone................
M Omegalul P
Glory days of every class
wrath was the glory days of warlocks MoP had few abilities that were just crazy asf and the kit suffered for it.
@Janusha im basically saying that when the ability trimming happened it made the spec into spam incenerate/shadow bolt until X soul shards/ embers cant remember at this point to lob out this huge damage spell. It basically felt like you were being timegated between dealing damage. Demo was the king of MoP pvp imo and Aff was usually king in single target fights in any fight that didnt require alot of movement or had multiple targets. Destro always sits someplace in the middle.
1) locks are not like frost mages. Blink/poly not in same school as frost so your not locked out entirely
2) UA does way too much of aff damage. No motivation to multidot...in a multi dot class....except maybe getting more shards.
3) re-roll DH
meanwhile no dk in pvp top 400
Well as a main DK I have a warlock alt and tbh i had no issues with LvLing him in solo or group content. I am doing really good in dungeons either in affliction or destro. Mind you i am not touching demo as i just dont like the playstyle. I must say that this is the first video i see about warlocks beeing bad so i wont take much from it and just keep enyoing my alt warlock.
Due to fight mechanics warlocks will do high damage because aff is strong. I think he is pointing out the dps number of 9k being low but idk just speculation.
I will immediately start maining my lock if they put destro back to a 1:1 build instead of the shards
WoD / MoP destro locks were the funnest class in the game imo (rip aoe chaos bolt
as an rbg player who play at 2500mmr, having 2 locks is literally a must
Ofcourse ..... aoe/cleave
Try Arena ... GL getting pass 2.2 in 3v3 or even reaching 2k lol
I remember when Chaos Bolt was actually pretty scary, and you did everything to not get hit. now you just face tank that bitch and kill the warlock without any problems.
If they brought those 3 talents back. It would be worth playing a lock again
There is more to affliction than the 3 spells he mentioned - sounds like he is playing it wrong
Mike Stegmann not rly be honest
You’re supposed to keep haunt and one UA (more if you have shards or are about to burst) on the target while keeping agony,corrupt, and SL up and phantom singularity on cooldown
At least warlocks have 1 person in the top 100 in PvP. Dk’s PepeHands
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Imo locks shouldn't be able to port on lockouts. I play a lock and itd be incredibly op if you could. You should be punished for lockouts and locks are no different.
I get triggered when people say bro why you playing mm. Steady aim traits with steady focus talent build is op. You can't play mm with out it. Feels like my feral days of legion where I was top dog in single target but had lacking aoe. Not being able to gear swap during a M+ is the only thing that really hurts MM. I'd love to run rapid reload for trash then throw on my steady aim set for the boss.
Warlock always starts out in a bad place start of xpac But usaully by the end of xpac they will be the best.
As a lifelong warlock I have to say destro is the most boring
Immolate , conflag, incinerate incinerate incinerate incinerate, chaos bolt with backdraft
You should play other classes, most classes are just as basic, not sure why lock is being focused as the braindead class when almost every spec is the same.
The amount of salty people being introduced to asmongold now is incredible thanks to all these channels
allowing casters to cast while moving would help them all. they did it once and it was great but apparently melee complained that casters werent standing free kills and blizzard listened...
Thank god that shit is gone.
it got nerfed so many times for a reason. If they brought back fel flame would be a much better option
@Joe Alexander *thank god that shit is gone, from a pvper perspective
Nah, moving while casting is noob shit. Mages and Warlocks crying because the mean rogues keep killing me. That was the single worst change made in the name of making classes more accessible to bad kids.
But at least it made you feel good at the game for an expansion eh?
Working as intended 😂😂😂
I was a warlock main until Legion when I went druid for flexibility but I still played my lock a lot and even mained him at the end when I changed guilds. The ONLY reason I leveled him this expansion is because I had 92 exalted reputations and was going after the 100 achievement before they made the announcement that the reps for the achievement would be account wide. Since I just finished Talons Vengance and will gradually finish the new reps to hit 100 I will basically never play him again since the class has been completely gutted. My fresh (as of typing I hit 120 yesterday around lunch time) rogue can get into pug mythic plus with a fraction of the effort as my lock who has decent gear.
people really only do 10kish dps in a raid fight?
I could top that with my dungeon geared warrior
m+ gear yeah? :P
Well this is Oct 1 were are these changes....=P
The dude thinks the reason of Doom is to proc a Doomguard.... credibility lost
378 warlock, ive never been outdamaged by anyone in any raid or mythic +...
because youre fucking 378 LOL
Has nothing to do with gear.
If you're anything more then half decent you can do great damage...
theres no way he outdamages everyone in aoe/cleave fights. His teammates are either low ilvl OR trash OR classes with bad aoe.
If you said that back in Cata i would believe ya , specially on AOE fights / trash
Now ? Your teammates are trash or you are just a lier
Absolute bullshit, especially in m+
Locks are probably one of the few classes blizzard aren't worrying about, affliction is perfectly fine and destro is decent, there are many other classes who have specs that even if its the best dps spec for the class you still do shit dps. I'm a frost mage, now our aoe is godly but single target is shit, and according to warcraftlogs frost is our best spec for Uldir, I love frost as it is, but I'd love to go back to fire but can't because of how shit it is, don't think I've actually seen someone play fire in bfa yet.
Every class has problems but complaining about a class that has one of the strongest specs in the current tier with another spec that's decent with the right gear I just find it as they can't play the spec they want to, bfa does have tuning issues we can all agree but locks aren't on blizzards list of specs to fix.
Thomas Reid they desperately need help in pvp, and I can tell you haven't played a warlock. Affliction is essentially the only viable pve spec with destro just recently becoming playable, and the rotations are horrendous. Destro only deals okay damage once every three minutes and affliction is more consistent but still revolves around one cool-down
Can you tell? I wonder what class I levelled 2 weeks ago, destro is decent, not great but it's decent, I'm always gonna go affliction have been playing affliction on my lock since WoD and no destro done right can deal good damage fairly regularly, if they didnt then they'd be lower on the dps rankings
here i thought warlocks were over powered in bfa. ive never been out damaged on my ilvl378 warlock in uldir or m+. demo is crap but destro is good and affliction is broken. this dude has no idea what hes talking about. our traits are so strong, we have been nerfed in every single hotfix and we are still over performing.
Yeah man, www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html
Demon locks are useless....
Taking Nether Portal on a heavy movement fight Omegalul What is wrong with this guy
Affliction carries the plebs. Dont @ me
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I don't think he remembers Antorus. Also, no utility? Have you ever played a mage?
Warlocks are Always crying
Warrior and Dh all the way bro :D, Keep up the good work
Does this guy actually play a Warlock??? Because Warlocks are fine. Maybe he’s just bad at playing warlock, because I mean he was straight up wrong about the affliction rotation
he obviously just hates it so much he wont play it, but he knows what hes talking about with destro and demo but i actually enjoy destro but demo is by far the most fun spec to play for warlocks and actually made me want to main a caster for the first time in 8 years of playing this game
I actually got several 95-97% logs as Destruction wl 367
Idk Destro&Affli are fine af
@@dyrixpvp402 thats because those logs go against other people that are running destro lmao. it is still weaker then affliction in every raid encounter
Overall Lock not destro only lmao
Destro and Affli are both viable raid specs lmao what is this video
bullshits. saying only about non skill caping classes. If you know how to play you can be top dps as destro and as affli in raids and m+ ...dont scum comunity
Affliction is great? What the hell is this guy whining about?
It's fine in pve in terms of numbers. Lock in general is shite in pvp, you're basically just giving free wins to the opposite team.
LF WARLOCK GHUUN?
I'm so confused right now,if warlocks are so bad why do I keep doing 40+% of the groups dps on bosses whenever I run 5 mans? Now to be clear my warlock is an alt with really low ilvl ''330 or so'' so I have no idea how they perform at higher level of play but in heroics I'm doing about half of the damage of entire group even when other people in the group have better gear. Also when asmongold did his Uldir mythic runs 2 affliction warlocks were constantly on top of the damage meters. So wtf is going on here?
skill level
Isn't it obvious to you from the way you made your comment?
You do 40% of the groups dps, yet warlocks are bottom tier dps when it comes to sims and progression raiding guilds?
In case you still don't get it: The people you play with have no idea how to play their class...
@@Jonathan-fw6ty Affliction and destro warlock are respectivly second and third on sims right now, where exactly do you get your infos ? www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T22_Raid.html try this
jesus christ... "why am i outperforming retards in heroics?????" gee wiz bro, idk, maybe because people queing HCs are braindead spergs that cant even tie their own shoes? warlocks are garbage in m+ unless you have specific gear and azerite just for m+ and know exactly how to play in a dungeon setting (talking about high m+ keys). You cant compare yourself or others to randoms in easy content.
Warlocks are one of the hardest classes in the game behind the lines. They have a high skill cap. So a shit player will do shit dps. but someone who isnt braindead and can play the class like its meant to be, will usually top dps in almost every situation
Warlock is gangster af in pvp who is this gay
I dont get it. warlocks were literally king dps in every single scenario for the **** ENTIRETY OF LEGION***** and now, after BFA launches, they are not ***THE BEST CLASS EVER*** for ......... ****ONE MONTH******, we have people LOSING THEIR MIND. this guy complaining 'they are very squishy' after litearlly ***ALLL OF LEGION*** being the MOST TANKY dps IN THE GAMEEEEEEEE.
Tass Александр you lose the argument when you have no numbers...
If it's not fun to play it's not for me anymore. That's the approach I take with classes and specs . I switched my main because I wasn't happy with changes. Now all is good.
have u even seen a decent destro in your group? Seems like you haven't :/
Anastasios Meros How many warrior tanks have you seen in your groups ? Nobody is playing warlock. Everyone is playing follow the leader. I literally know one person playing warlock.