Creative Carbon Wheels Review (45mm Extralite Hub edition)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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In this video Aaron Dobbs (Trilogy Cycles) and I will be reviewing a set of carbon wheels from Creative Cycles, a Melbourne based company that has set up a supply chain to service an international market with their boutique carbon race wheels. In this video I will share speed tests, while Aaron will go deep on the EXTRALITE hubs. An Italian made hub that forms a major value add to these road bike wheels.
Regarding the speed tests:
All standing starts from same position
Very low wind day
Wind direction and gusts noted in spreadsheet
Same butyl tubes pumped to 90 psi rear and back
Same level of water in water bottle (I sip out of one in my car!)
Same body position
Same power meter so I can do each run at very similar power output. Normally within a few watts of each other.
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Have a set of these bad boys in 55mm with DT Swiss 350, absolutely love it 😍
Happy 2023 Cam 😎
You should consider adding barometric pressure to your testing protocol - it can make a big difference to performance
Absolutely spot on, far bigger factor than wind for TT comparisons. It's impossible to accurately compare times ridden in summer V winter.
Thanks for the tip, I’ll look into it. 👍
Thanks Cam love those wheels but truth mate are we not now dipping into check book racing im not as good as you are as a racer but i can buy my way onto your back wheel ,love all your excellent videos keep safe .
Appreciate the sentiment mate + your support and I agree. They’re not for everyone, but I’m sure some will be ready for their next wheelset with that type of budget
I wouldn't worry about that too much.
By far the biggest chunk of the aero drag is the rider and 100% of the power comes from there too.
Yes, in a theoretic case with two identical riders the one who outspent the other by 10-15k should be faster.
In reality and on a non-pro level it's always the one with more talent and dedication.
I recently started a Trainingplan on trainingpeaks and chose a competitive one.
I will not be able to finish a single week because it would have me ride 2h in the morning and 3h in the evening on some days.
However, whoever has the time and dedication to do so would handily beat me in every race, even if his bike was a lot cheaper.
It is mostly the marketing decisions of the big companies that make you think you need super duper equipment.
But for what it's worth, GCN made a comparison between an aeroad slx and an entry level, mid rangy bike from canyon and they tested to be within seconds...
Nice, the are Melbourne based too.
Just ordered a pair of 55s, although with the creative hubs, I’m sure a lot of the speed comes from the wheel too, so hopefully they’re well made and zoom as well as yours do!
I would take speed over the Sensitivity issue all day so you have to clean it alittle bit more cleaning it more wont hurt it
I'm exactly the opposite. That said most of what I do with my bicycle is commuting to and back from work all year round in a rainy cold climate and multidaying distance bikepacking trips with lots of gravel, mud and forest cycling.
@@KNURKonesur You're an extremist 😁
@@KNURKonesur I am thinking racing wise pure racing and trainning for racing
I've tried a lot of wheels from cheap to expensive and from new I find the roll to be much for muchness given the same tyres and pressures. I got best times last week on a set of 40mm Chinese 28c rims, pillar TSR spikes and ratchet hubs off Ali, basically dtswiss copies. 1390g set, $600 AUD delivered tax paid. Tubolito tubes, Michelin comp tyres. Try the Ryet ratchet wheelset cam from Ali you won't believe the bang for the buck.
I still find the best rolling hubs were Shimano and campy cup cone but they are limited and heavy.
Thanks for sharing on the thread Glenn, always good to hear others experiences.
Name of wheels or link to store?
@@migatron7359 RYET brand off Aliexpress. You can DM I can give you the link. I can't post links up here sorry as it's not respectful to Cam to do that. I have no affiliation with brands only my own experiences.
There's so much on the market regarding bike components but specifically wheels and so many different USP's for them, so many completely different reviews... It's hard to navigate the market, give advice, or know what to buy. In practice I just go for brands that have been on bikes in Grand Tour races over the years because it feels like a safe choice
The creative hubs are similar if not the same as juniper in aliexpress. They are brilliant. Not found any complete wheelset with them on Aliexpress yet though 🤔
It would be interesting to see how farm down you are downvoted with that comment.
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Saves you maybe 60g total over 240EXPs for 2.5x the cost and needs to be serviced twice a year? No thanks. Or go with the 180 for about the same weight and price but no faff. Also, any bike shop in the world will have the tools and bearings to service DTSwiss as everyone from Roval to Bontrager use DTSwiss hubs. You wouldn't want to bring the Extralites just anywhere.
Makes sense and appreciate you sharing on the thread. Aaron agrees, not for everyone.
Boutique brand bad
In the USA these hubsets are the same price. I use the hyberboost 3 on my mountain bike which uses a dt style ratchet. Maintenance isn't a problem. No special tools are needed for service. Bearings are common sizes. DT is the one that needs a special tool to remove the hub side ratchet to access the bearing.
The extralite hubs are very easy to service and the maintanance instructinos they give are very much on the careful end. The hubs themselves will save you about 82 grams, but I don't think you can get the dt swiss with 6 bolt so that's another 40-50g depending on the rotor you choose. Obviously not everyone is going to care about that "small" weight difference, but, just for reference, people spend an extra 1500$ on an s works frame to save 80g and 300$ to get a Red rear mech over Force and save 25g. In that world spending the 680 instead of 400 on hubs to save 150g is almost reasonable.
Hey Cam, have you heard much about Partington wheels?
vittoria corsa control is suitable for training but not racing.. it feels planted on road.. heavy rolling
How quick is the engagement or re-engagement with only 2 pawls?
Unless you’re a mountain biker - is quick engagement necessary?
Thank you :)
Yo cam when you get the chance.. review scribe wheels!
have you thought about trying the aerocoach zephyr rims. Around 2500 AUD, it would be interesting to see it compared to the other wheelsets considering it has a deeper rim profile.
No I'll have a look though
I'm looking at getting a set of Creative Carbon wheels for my Gravel bike. Do you have any idea who makes their standard hub?
Hey mate, we get our Creative brand hubs made by what I’d consider one of the biggest and best hub manufacturers in Taiwan. We’ve done some pretty extensive testing on these hubs over the past 4 years and we’re really happy with them. Super easy to setup and service, just an all round great hub in my opinion.
In saying that, if you’re after the best (not factoring cost) then Extralite and DT180’s are my top picks.
Did you standardize the inflation pressures for each test? psi can change from cold inflation to time of test due to road surface temps too.... pls let us know
Yes 90 psi each wheel for every test
Hey Cam, I'm looking at buying a new rim brake wheelset. All the hype seems to be on the Winspace Hypers, but looking at your reviews they don't seem to be that great? Would I be better off saving up and buying the deCADENce or creative? Thanks, Marek.
The Hypers are good, just too stiff for me. Are you a big sprinter or aggressive climber? If not, yes, I would go either Caden or Creative. Both great brands and passionate owners. Just depends on your hub preferences and which brand appeals to you the most.
decided to quit racing after decades. Now I run 28 m marathon tires, haven't changed my chain in like 10,000 kms and will grease it if it makes noise. zero problems, saving money....... oh, the days of racing.......
Marathons are beasts! Never a flat haha
Bearing press in bearings or campag like ?
Not fair comparison with DTswiss freehub body. Should use the same either XDR freehub body or Shimano HG freehub body.
I think it wasn’t fair too because it wasn’t even their top of the range DT (we saw on this channel recently), but Aaron did mention this.
pro x by light carbon,check them out
Heya Cam - you going to TDU? Cheers!
Yes mate, I’ll be there! Stay tuned for socials on rides etc
That looks like a Conti 5000 tire on that wheel at the end of the video. Did you switch tires?
Yes switched. Got a solid puncture and had to throw the Vittora’s out 😢
@@CamNicholls The Conti 5000's are faster anyway :-) But does suck to waste a perfectly good tire.
Had Bontrager Carbon wheels and the heads on the spokes rusted through...
Sorry to hear that, sounds frustrating.
How do you factor in changes in fitness between tests? Do you swap out the wheels each time to test another wheel against it’s baseline just to check?
I'm sure all tests are done at the same wattage, so as long as he can punch out the same number as he has set previously he's fine
That’s correct, same wattages (or within 5-10 watt average). All shown in the spreadsheet. 👍
Curious to know what is that sensetive in the hub, to do that much maintenance. If its the chinese bearings.... it be swapping them out for something better or ceramic alternative
Aaron might be able to come in here and answer this but a few things come to mind. The machining of the hubs requires a specific type of grease so possibly that isn’t as effective as others and I believe these hubs remove sealant protectors to reduce weight and improve roll efficiency, hence the water consideration.
It's more about preventative maintenance and taking care of your investment. These are manufacturer guidelines to be followed like all quality parts of a bicycle. These guidelines could be ignored but detrimental to performance. , And here we are talking about best performance. Cheers.
So open abec5 bearings with light grease/oil have less rolling resistance than ceramic bearings that are sealed?
just use NTN bearings, forget ceramic
Good question, and I can’t answer it categorically but I’ve heard that to be the case.
@@CamNicholls I would rather change bearings each year paying for cheap abec5 bearings. Compared to Ceramic that only have “the lowest” rolling resistance for 700-1000km anyways.
Using different tyre widths (I'd even say different brands, variants) kinda invalidates the tests, IMO :p Comparisons require changing a single thing at a time, else you've got no controls.
I agree it’s hard to compare but as they where comprehensively faster on three segments (notably the flat segments, over the 50mm and 60mm and 69mm profile rims) made it worth the mention.
@@CamNicholls I would almost dare to say that the consistent results given that you were running Corsa G2 (I have the same tires) actually adds weight to how good the wheels performed.
Much like the new Bianchi is there any point in equipment being fast if it's not UCI approved?
If you don’t race at a high level it doesn’t matter. Most clubs don’t scrutinise for UCI sticker at the local races.
i would suggesting testing these wheels on Zwift hahahahaha
Sounds.lile the hub would servicing on arrival if a few weeks had passed since assembly. Ridiculous
Don't forget Tour Down Under in 1.5 days Cam. I hope you can make it back to Adelaide after 3 years without the tour...
Yep I’ll be there 👍
@@CamNicholls looking forward to your vlog about the tour Cam if you've decided to make one. Missed home & the tour...
Rather have DT Swiss. Not so fussy + best hubs ever.
Get that, a lot of people love DT Swiss
2 pawls - I will take a 180 anyday...........
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I don't know, I think it'd be completely unacceptable if you had to strip your car's wheel bearings every couple years let alone every three months. I have no idea why poor design and manufacturing is excused in the cycling industry.
High end bearings for performance or competition in automotive sport like rally/ touring car / formula one / go karts even require and perform full regular strip down and checks. Therefore, this bicycle hubset reviewed is no different and requiring a suggested performance service schedule // inspection only intervals, and has no comparision to a standard style Sora/105 level Cup and cone shimano hub for entry level riding /commuting.
@Aaron Dobbs I'm not sure I understand a Shimano hub will achieve the same outcomes without having so much maintenance. The comparison to race cars vs passenger cars isn't warranted as the bike is providing the same level of performance under the same conditions.
Race cars operate at the extremes and considering the budget constraints of race teams they would surely also choose a more reliable and less maintenance heavy part if it delivers same or similar level of performance.
@@Spartan9567 in both cases the performance levels are not equal though .
Ride a Sora/105 Hub compared to an Extralight hub in this case in a controlled roll decent and look at the data .
Or a race scenario in a Criterium or Road event.
Compare a passenger car vs an F1 car etc is pointless.
Performance always comes at a cost somewhere.
Speed does not ever come easy or free.
@Aaron Dobbs the data would show there is no meaningful gain. The performance levels are essentially the same in the grand scheme of things.
This is why its pointless to make a comparison to race cars because the level of performance is not drastically different to it's cheaper counterparts.
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hahaha! Thanks for the addition
@@CamNicholls I know, I'm an annoying wanker, but that's my job as a scouser 🤪
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