F80 M3 Comp DCT vs Camaro 10AT LT1 vs Challenger 8AT 392 T/A. Drag and Roll Race.
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- Опубликовано: 25 май 2023
- F80 M3 Comp DCT vs Camaro 10AT LT1 vs Challenger 8AT 392 T/A. Drag and Roll Race.
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Hey guys! First of all, I want to apologize to everyone for this video and to the owners of the Challenger and Camaro. Bimmer-Tech has found out that this tune can make the car potentially gain up to 100bhp. I was not aware of such a thing until today. Initially, I was told the car would not gain any power, I confirmed a few times. The tune maker claims now, that the car can gain up to 100bhp with this new map, I was told initially otherwise. I didn’t want the M3 tuned, never planned. So this is unfortunately not a stock M3, again I want to apologize to everyone.
It sucks that they weren’t honest or better informed about the tune. Not sure I would trust them now
Hi guys! We would like to apologize for this misunderstanding and clear out some confusion. Our tunes were always designed to provide extra power & torque, but our focus was always also on engine longevity (making it run cooler), and fuel consumption (making it less thirsty). Hence the miscomunication between us and Sam. Cheers guys!
😂 Got you good. Damage is done now, enjoy it! Get that crank hub taken care of if you plan on keeping the car long term
Car has the crankhub replaced already :) and it’s now back in stock. Car was also tuned before my ownership :)
Idk about 100 hp but u did gains some power, good races
"Tune doesn't add horsepower" .... "OMG it is so much quicker now" SMH
It’s throttle response rather than bhp
As someone who just got a professional tune, it adds BHP. Went from 182whp to over 220whp. Fuel to air ratio, maps and timings make a huge diff. I also have a pedal commander; if I'm stuck with my car for the foreseeable future might as well have fun with it
You can have a tune for the transmission. It shifts faster and keeps you in the power band longer without adding power.
@@SamCarLegion Am I wrong or quicker throttle response doesn’t change anything anymore once you have your foot down ? Once you’re rolling the car shouldn’t feel “so much faster” ?
Of course it adds horsepower, who is Sam kidding?
thats cheating a tuned car vs stock cars
The Camaro can be had for under $40,000 USD. That's the real win.
No one really cares about camaros, hence why they’re being discontinued.. RIP.
Cus nobody wants it lol
The real win is a F30/32 BMW N55 that’s not allergic to modifications….that’s real value and the perception it gives❤ FYI, Alpina B3 uses the N55 platform😊
@@Wicked_RotF30 fun fact alpina b3 comes with 404hp n55 variant higher then any factory produced b58.
Don't listen to the BMW snobs. There's a reason no one likes them...... They've been butt hurt for years since the Camaro has been slapping BMWs at tracks for years now, while being half the price
Cmon. That bmw is well over 500hp. New title. Sam the Sandbagger.
Lt1 is the winner here at 40k regardless if it lost
... and will likely last much longer and cheaper to maintain... So double winner
If only they had a 4 door platform with the LT1 motor for
@@CPAJayhawk
They did 6 years ago. Granted it came with the LS3 instead of the LT1. Chevy did it dirty and didn't advertise it. Essentially fully loaded at $45k
The best bang-for-the-buck out there
@@99-Zulu Yeah and now they are worth more than what they sold for new. They had outdated tech even at the time they were new, and the LS3 was old as well. The rebadging of Holden vehicles has been a huge mistake by GM. They are always way behind in tech, and have a short production run that leaves owners in a bad spot when it comes to replacement parts that are bespoke to the car. I learned my lesson after owning a GTO, i liked the SS, the G8 was ok, but never again. The 6th gen camaro/ATS/CTS platform would be great for a V8 performance 4 door chevy.
The tune definitely adds HP in a sense, because you're sitting at the peak power band for longer times.
It absolutely makes more power. Just cleaning up the afr's, add whp and wtq. A motor that runs more efficiently will net higher numbers, cooler engine temps, better fuel efficiency (partial throttle), faster tip-in etc
Tune all those and see where you stand
@@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 Better dont tune the BMW, thats the easiest way we had to go.
A tuned twin turbo M3 versus stock v8's 😂😂😂. This piggyback tune on the M3 is equivalent to the Carbahn piggyback. Gives you 30-40 horsepower and torque gain with increased throttle response but keeps the car within limits to not hurt the engine
He clearly just wanted to show off by beating up less expensive cars lmao
@@f8widescat392 I agree, not even the cost difference but a tuned twin turbo car versus 2 N/A cars 😂😂😂😂 Ego boost
@@supersportlt1 A Zl1 or hellcat would make him rethink his purchase lmao.
@@f8widescat392 He's already rethinking his purchase that's why he got the tune and claimed he had no idea it added power 😂😂😂😂. The stock B58 Supra already out ran him a week ago 😂😂😂
Well done lads! Fun video. Good showing for the M3. Shoutout Staz for another blast down the track in the LT1. I'll miss that car.
great races...the M3 is very potent right out of the box so the results shouldn't really surprise too many people. Given the weight of the Challenger I think it did much better than I expected.
Same :)
I agree. Hard to compete with more advanced tech that’s tuned and lighter. Would like to see all these cars tuned to see the difference although it won’t matter because the bmw is turbo and not even tuned for power with extra boost up top for hp and tq gains but rather optimized for the power it is. Looks like bmw has a lot of room for optimizing tune factory. Thanks for the comparison Sam, good video.👍
Not to mention you jumped with the bimmer everytime
I don't think this was far at all. You have a tune vs stock cars. I lost interest right away after knowing the M3 was gonna win every race because it was modified. Not a good way to compare cars.
Now lets compare prices too???
you get what you pay for
@@MikeyG003
ZL1 beats the piss out of BMWs
Better chassis with MagnaRide
And supercar performance. Stop it
@@WindyCity1992 where’s the ZL1 in this video? Lmao ZL1s still get bullied by bmws 😂 go back to driving your keyboard kid.
@@WindyCity1992 don’t make me pull up fbo zl1 videos getting feelings hurt by just downpipe and tune F8x cars. Let’s not even talk about the g8x. Also, m4csl beat your holy grail zl1 on the Nurburgring. Try again. You can’t afford either anyways
A tune on force induction cars is such an advantage, even over a tuned NA car. Plus that BMW is unrated from the factory. Great runs
Lt1 needs to slap shift and let that 10 speed do its thing…
That m4 isn't stock smh
Before seeing the race, I predict that Sam should change his "Let's roll" to "Let's spin!". lol
Unprepped surface, no burnouts allowed. Very interesting match-up for the rolling race!
Sam needs to understand that if you can see someone's whole car in your mirrors, it's not a close race! 😂😂😂
Would have been better if he ran a ZL1 and a Hellcat instead of the non boosted versions. Not really an equal or even fair comparison. Not only are they closer to the same price range of the M3, they are also boosted engines like the M3.
I can do that too 😂
He should bring out the M8 :) to keep it fair as well we all know an M8 is gonna destroy both of those
@@billnye5183 So M8 vs Hellcat Redye Jailbreak? Or go all out with the Demon 170 for still much less cash for that M8 to trounce in a straight line race? 🤔
@@billnye5183
The M8 is awd
It's literally slow without it.
F80 comp is beautiful. I have the F82. What performance.
Hi want to see which is fastest bmw m2 , m3 or m4. Even how much faster is m240i than m230i. 😜
Great reporting for sure.
Why didnt you do a 3way race as usual . I love comparing shifts and just watching how it plays out in the power band.
With the bumpy track that is not very wide, and three powerful cars that are RWD, it was probably safer 2 by 2 races.
Impressive i love it 👍
Nice job
Love the Beamer but sometimes I just dont understand Sam. Why did he tune it?
Hi Sam. Please go on with these amazing races. Awesome.
I follow now your channel.
A new G82 M3 against your F80 M3 Competition with this little software mod should be a close and interesting race !!!
Best wishes Chris
Tx you
the new g80 platform is insane, especially the xdrive.
Man said it doesn't add HP then said "Wow! It's so much faster" as he launched like Space X. 😂😂😂😂😂. Anyway, thank you for the entertainment as usual. The bimmer is sick. In the market for a 2018 white convertible one with red interior for my wife as we speak.
The tune adds no HP? Don’t think you know what you’re talking anodyne..😂
i have a 2023 3LT camaro rs v6 10 speed auto with the npp quad tips from the factory. id love to see it make an appearance on this channel, lots of the cars you race it will either do good against or win honestly i think people would enjoy seeing it beat an rt challenger of any year lol btw i made my camaro happen right when i turned 20! build y’all’s credit scores and save up this can be you!
Sam was cracking me up when he said damn that Camaro is fast as he's putting a monster gap on it😂
😬😬😬
@@SamCarLegion Happy with the matchup just the same, and really impressed with how well your M3 moves out now!👍
Monster gap would be a bit of a stretch.
Superb
The challenger and charger 392s are big boats. Most other cars with the same horsepower range beat them easily. Even the Audi RS3 that only has 401 horsepower easily blow the doors of these boats.
True but at least they can serve the week without a mechanic because nothing drains a wallet faster than Germany junk
@@Welcometofacsistube Having owed an Audi, (and know several people with BMW’s and Audi’s), I can testify to the accuracy of your statement. You should either be a mechanic, or have a best friend that works on German cars.
You clowns are full of shit. I bitch slap European cars on the reg.
@@Welcometofacsistube lmao idk what German junk you’re getting but the vehicles made in Germany don’t break down like this my bmw made in Germany has been rock solid with over 100K miles
@@billnye5183probably some old rusted out bmw they had when they were 16
Oooh this should be a juicy race
I love how he says that the tune is just Going to make the car shift faster 😆 But you know to really make it fair Since you're putting 1 of the best BMW M3 Competition Which I'm pretty sure doesn't go for 40k You should try one of the best cameras like a tuned Z28 OR ZR1 Camaro And see how that race goes
Do the same upgrade to the Camaro and its faster. The Camaro is the better performance car specifically the 1LE and its not even close
The f80 m3 comp makes about 450whp which is about 517 crank hp. They are underrated from factory. Plus a DCT and it makes sense. The m3 is also 200lbs lighter than the Camaro. Also the Camaro makes 400whp = 460 crank hp. And both cars are doing the exact same 1/4 mile times as stated by each OEM. So this is basically stock vs stock cars. The f80 m3 is pretty damn fast for an old car
Either way the m3 would have beaten the Camaro even if it was stock
Would rather see stock cars just race!! No ECU or anything added just stock!
Can you do a video about F80 vs Hellcat vs ZL1 ? Stock Stock Stock and start from dig please ?
Why?
What exhaust u have on your f80 sam?
It’s an M Titanium Exhaust
Nice video
Nice line up..
This is a good one , hello from midland texas
M3 from a dig ost likely, but I'll take the Camaro on a roll.
Should be a good race either way!!!
I love how the 392 isn't even mentioned😂
Sam, the Awaken tune does add about 15% more hp and tq to a M3 Comp. So you are close to 500 hp and 449 tq
I knew it added horse power as soon as you said, " it so much quicker!" Hahaha
Curious to see how the new Mustang GT Darkhorse edition would do against similar priced cars. Granted those become available soon.
Dark horse ?? 😂😂😂 what a stupid name
"So I can do the weaving to bring the tires up to temperature"! "Sport mode all the way and windows up"...LOL
That M is no joke! The S55 is a primal beast.
Well ya when u add boost u add HP but still ur BMW is very impressive for sure.
What changes you have made in that M3 ? Waw its amazing to roll so lets roll always with that M3
Great video… it really leaves me wishing for a bit more of a fair fight like a zl1 vs m3… a10 zl1 still costs almost 10k less. That m3 is great.
Sam , we need head to head M3 competition vs G70 (the one deafened Mustang and c43) .. plz favourly do that 🙏
Tuned car vs stock cars is a no brainier the tuned car would win
Even without the tune, bmw is rated at the wheels while the other two cars are rated at the crank.
So basically they did a drive by wire response tune, probably fixed the trans tune and launch control ramping in boost quicker by advancing spark and timing. Which doesn’t translate to upping power but rather makes more power faster giving better times and response.
Nope, they added HP. Probably 50whp minimum.😂
@@dapurplert 50whp? But it runs the exact 1/4 mile and 0-60 as stock? Now how does that make sense? You’re just butthurt the m3 is a faster car
Roll racing in the Camaro. Use manual mode to keep it up in the revs..once you hit the cone ..punch it and put it into drive and let it shift itself.
That small tune gave you a big win each time 😂
Result would have been the same even stock
no
Stock m3 and m4 is still ridiculously fast
@@SamCarLegion it would not have been sam sorry.
@@SamCarLegion Dodge Demon vs Shelby GT500 please
Why did you race cars they weren’t tuned???
We know the M3 is faster, but the best way to race those scats from a roll is to start in manual mode so you get the right gear, but switch to automatic as soon as the race starts because you can't shift better than the car can automatically.
It would end in the same result
Nice super ❤❤❤
Love you 🤟😘
The bmw m3 doesn't have the best launch in the world but I'd always bet on it to beat those American muscle cars
The roll races are when things get interesting
Yeah but the American muscle cars didn’t have tunes. Not a very fair comparison IMO
@@Hellenkeller777 I'm a Mopar fan and I still admit that even if the 392 was tuned it would still loose to the M3.I hope that 392 was running on 275s.
Camaros aren't muscle cars.
Neither are challengers.
Both are pony cars. Just saying
Sounds like he's shifting the Camaro early and missing out on some top end.
Feeling good
At least the Challenger looked good while losing. 💁🏽♂ The BMW though is on another level.
I mean, they're not boosted compared to the m3, also heavier. It was a good video but not a fair race. Get those superchargers in and then we will see
@@mayfieldd357 bro the m3 has less than half the displacement of a scat or a hellcat. It’s a German perfected car Vs an American boat muscle car than can barley take a corner. The m3 is a track ready fine tuned weapon. It’s no debate which is the better car
@Tommy Manning Art stop the dick riding. I own an audi a4, so I love German as well. I appreciate and love cars period. The f80 m3 is 3600+lb vs. a challenger, which is pushing almost 4k lbs. One is turbocharged, and the other naturally aspirated. Why is this hard for you to understand ? Oh yeah, dick riding. Like I said, put the supercharger in the challenger and do a real drag.
@Tommy Manning Art Also, you should check your research. These guys know cars, right? The f80 has a 0-60 of 2.8 vs. the challengers 4.2 seconds. F80 has significantly more torque as well, with the twin turbo, which is also an advantage over NA. You just wanted to act like you knew something when you clearly had a biased opinion from the jump. Even if it lost, you'd still dick ride. You're a clown.
@@tommymanningart8864
M3s can't even beat camaros
On Track. 99% of yall don't even
Go to Track days. All 3 cars have
Steering wheels. Grow up already
For those saying that he tuned his car, go watch his previous videos and his 1/4 mile time is pretty much the same. Those m3s are ridiculously fast!! Definitely faster than the good ole muscle cars!! The v8s sound better though 😂!!!💪👊👍
Someone that pay attention
@@SamCarLegion pays*
Let's Roll 👊🏼
You need at least S58 to beat the S55
Was it not better to use the Camaro SS instead of the LT1?
How would a heavier SS be a better choice?
@08turboSS the Camaro 2SS is 3696 lbs and the LT1 is like 3685 lbs. Both A10. So the 13 pound extra will make no difference. 2SS has better suspension, brakes, magneride, better wheels and has better balance than the LT1. My 2023 2SS hit the 1/4 mile 11.9 to 12.2 depending on how good the launch is. Completely stock. So the 1/4 mile time is verry similar to the M3 BMW
Gotta have those digs.
Tune + boost. But nobody ever mentions that. I tuned my turbo daytona and it only got 3 more psi and of course an actual tune and its a different car.
The tune didn’t add an extra peak horsepower… it’s a driveline and transmission tune. It allows the car to use its power more effectively basically. It’s marginally faster to stock. Stock m3 comp runs the same 1/4 mile that same got
Why the Challanger is behind 😮
Too bad you converted back to stock. Would like to see your M3 vs the 2020 M550i.
Sold it
Like to see a power measurement
A tuned 6.4 would be taking this the whole way. Seen this in person comp m3 with tune scat tuned scat 0-60 3.6 seconds. M3 4.1 seconds. Glad you got an amazing tuner sir!
The m3 quarter mile times where the same before and after the tune. If an m3 gets over 4 second 0-60 it’s due to traction issues or poor driving skills. The scat pack is a far worse car than the m3. You can tune the m3 to vastly more power than the old 6.4 that 3.6 is probably the fastest you’ll ever get with a scat lol and the m3 almost does it stock
@@tommymanningart8864
Literally because of weight.
Not rocket science
Thats a stretch, hellcats have a hard time with tuned f80 m3s
LOL scat will get scattered. Way to heavy and cant add much of any power on a stock NA vehicle, possibly 10-12 hp more which isnt going to make up a 3-4 car gap 😂
@@08turboSS you literally don't have a single bit of knowledge on this. My 6.4 is 600 at crank with no blower/cam/porting. A procharger would add 100 herspers with ease with 5lb. If you don't know about mopars nor American made muscle, just don't speak.
It didn’t even look like the challenger was lined up with you and hit it at the same time
I don't doubt the outcome, but next time have a third person counting out the start. There may be a slight advantage when it's the person racing...even subconsciously. Kind of expected that the M3 would be faster in the 1/4 mile...it's lighter.
The roll race makes zero difference to be honest. We roll at the same time. The drag race we have a person flagging
i don’t think any owner of a dodge challenger or charger should ever expect to win a race unless it’s a hellcat or above
Standing starts ????
Yes dont skip
You're kidding yourself if you didn't think the tune added any power lol. Yes, stock for stock the F80 is faster than both those cars, but not by that much.
The tuning sounds pretty much exactly like what my pedal commander does for $299… 🤔
About the same but better response from engine to transmission
As someone with a pedal commander, AND in the process of getting a proper tune, I cant wait to feel the difference from what just the pedal commander does
@@reloadingdontshoot1 it’s not a pedal commander just map tweak to get better engine response and transmission
Peddle Comm adds a little zip off the line and crisp throttle response but wont make the vehicle quicker with adding power. I def wouldnt put one of those on anything either.
just watched this video before readings comments and I'm thinking there is no way the M3 walks on both cars w/o the tune adding power.
why not have the camaro and challenger run the same race at least once during the session?
I hope nobody is surprised that a vehicle costing twice as much is faster. Why arent we comparing the cost equivelent such as a Corvette and Hellcat?
Quicker not faster, use the correct word
1. "The goal is fuel efficiency."
2. "It puts out 444 horsepower - the tune doesn't really add any horsepower."
3. " Let's see what this thing does with the tune."
4. " Oh my God this thing is so much faster!"
😅😅😅
Mustang vs camaro please sam!
Sam if you think the dodge makes more power its comical lol....Bmw underrates there cars hp and torque by at minimum 50hp on all there turbo cars
There cars?? where?
Bmws are underrated by about 20-25hp and tq, def not 50 😂.
If those Challengers didnt weigh as much as a dump truck they'd be quite a bit quicker.
I think a hellcat would be a better match for a tuned M3 Competition
They should go whit the M4 base on the model of the other cars been coupes 😑😏
Sam stick with the 3 car drag format. I dont get it. You had 3 drivers, so why a 2 car race?
Like your show.
A 3 rwd car race tends to be a bit inconsistent, and it wasn’t about 3 cars racing, it was my car racing 2 other cars. Instead of making 2 videos I put them together.
BMW M3 POWER!
I wanna see the Challenger vs the Camaro
Are you selling your M3 @samcarlegion ?
Yes
@@SamCarLegion sad to see the M3 go 😞 would you stick with a performance car for your new one or it will be like a more family oriented one with much lower monthly payment now that we have Sam Jr ? 😀
I wish If there was a mustang
Tune and down pipes on a s55 is not a small tune those cars stock compare to
Each other why would you run a stock 392 and SS against its rival but tuned the rival when it’s supposed to run those cars stock
I don’t have downpipe?
Confusing video a tune with no bhp only throttle response.? But you say in the video this is so much faster now..can we just dyni it ti confirm no hp increase 😅
Nice youtube name 😂
@@SamCarLegion come on fare comment.. Is it just a ecu flash for fast throttle response
German ingeneering 20 years ahead of the US.
That’s not how you shift an 8 speed automatic. You leave it in drive, press the paddle to the desired gear, and floor it and let the computer shift it. You would think “professionals” would know the car’s better.
Exactly smh.
We did auto and manual shift exactly on both cars. Similar mode for both cars.
Thats not true with dodge... you manually drop or auto mode leaves you in the wrong gear. The trick with dodge is to start manual mode and then put it back into automatic as the laggy tach causes you to shift at the wrong rpms or hit the rev limiter.
On paper the challenger has 485HP and 475TQ which is more than the bmw so the “tune” should’ve made it match up correctly? So idk why y’all are complaining
Sure, but rip the seats and such out to make the 700lb difference up (then the Challenger would've won by the way)
Weight to power, gearing and aero.
More hp doeant equal quicker. 700-750 lbs lighter is equal to about a 65-75 hp diff to make up forbthe extra weight but a base tune on m3c puts it in the 500-525 hp zone and about 450 tq. The aero, supreme dct and 700+ lbs less will still win