How to first fix a shower valve. How to make a support in a stud wall and other carpentry work

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  • Опубликовано: 22 апр 2021
  • How to first fix a shower valve
    Carpenters and joiners are often tasked with the job of first fixing for complicated bathroom fittings working closely with plumbers, in this video I adjust some stud walling to take a recessed shower valve ready to board over and tile, this is a job that you can easily get wrong if you do not have all the information that you will need such as wall board thickness, tile and adhesive thickness. I have seen plenty of fixtures fitted in bathrooms that fail because the original fixing depth of the valve was wrong, this caused lots of headaches down the line
    My advice is take great care and make sure that the you know all the relevant information before you start!!
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Комментарии • 106

  • @mattcartwright8272
    @mattcartwright8272 3 года назад +4

    That pipework deserves an award. I haven't seen pipework like that since trade school.

  • @garethburrell868
    @garethburrell868 3 года назад +1

    I’ve said it before I’d love all customers to watch and understand some of these videos so they know not all of us tradesmen are out to rip them off and the little extra bits we have to do to do a proper job are important.

  • @haroon420
    @haroon420 3 года назад +8

    That copper work is a work of art!!! If only our plumber was like this. Each time that I’d encourage him to do some tidy work, he’d say it’s all going to be hidden. Really infuriated me but was stuck with him contracting it.
    Other thing he’d say is, clients are getting all these fancy ideas for RUclips and they don’t know what the real world worksmanship is! 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️😫

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +1

      Sounds like he's the one who doesn't know the meaning of "workmanship"?
      I say name and shame!

  • @andrewdeaville6442
    @andrewdeaville6442 3 года назад +4

    Wow, I wish the joiner would sort the valve fixing on my jobs! Need to have a word!

  • @brianrowland9993
    @brianrowland9993 2 года назад +1

    Great practical advice on a shower mixer valve installation challenge
    Very timely advice as I’m just about to tackle a shower renovation!

  • @lennykelly9952
    @lennykelly9952 Год назад

    Great video Robin nice clean work made simple so it will be sturdy and sound with no comebacks.

  • @joshuaemmerson7878
    @joshuaemmerson7878 3 года назад

    Lovely simple tip for getting the pipes level centre of the stud each time, l Learnt something today from this video and for that I say thanks 👍

  • @garethroberts9223
    @garethroberts9223 3 года назад +3

    You've Got a lot to answer for Mr Clevett. Not only have you inspired me to build a garden room but I've used Tricoya Extreme on the Fascia LOL!!!!

  • @adamwalker2034
    @adamwalker2034 2 года назад

    Great video, thank you. Tackling this myself for the first time and this couldn't be clearer!

  • @billrimmer5596
    @billrimmer5596 3 года назад +2

    Really enjoy your lively narrative. The terms and jargon r not what I would hear here in California, but it is a delight to hear Robin explain things. A true craftsman!!

  • @brianwood5220
    @brianwood5220 3 года назад

    Lovely job Robin. Thanks for passing on your knowledge.

  • @tahseenashfaq
    @tahseenashfaq 3 года назад

    great video, always enjoy watching your stuff

  • @tobybeswick36
    @tobybeswick36 3 года назад +3

    Very clean and precise job. I’m sure most customers can appreciate a tidy plumbing job, no ones wants it to look like someone’s thrown spaghetti at the bathroom/ boiler 😂

  • @SD43
    @SD43 3 года назад

    Great advice as always. Thank you

  • @peterurquhart7191
    @peterurquhart7191 3 года назад

    What a class job robin & some class tips 👍

  • @percyangilley3291
    @percyangilley3291 3 года назад +5

    I am somewhat amazed that an certifier would sign off on a water fixture above and in the same cavity as a power supply

    • @jackjill3205
      @jackjill3205 2 года назад

      WTF is going there

    • @Randomnomad2024
      @Randomnomad2024 Год назад

      Electrical cables and water pipes run along every building allthe time and they all get signed off.
      You'll have to question building regs innit

  • @joshuamatheron1
    @joshuamatheron1 3 года назад

    Excellent. Will use this method for sure. Thanks very much

  • @thetallcarpenter
    @thetallcarpenter 3 года назад +1

    Great job Robin.🤩

  • @therealdojj
    @therealdojj 3 года назад

    some nice little tips and tricks there robin

  • @jeffbradley8783
    @jeffbradley8783 3 года назад +1

    Very different to here in Australia but very informative mate, great work as always

  • @marcusdickson4197
    @marcusdickson4197 3 года назад

    I live on a Bellway house. I’d love to say my plumbing and pipe work looks like this 😂
    I’m about to extend my en-suite, might tag the photos in on here. Lol.
    Lovely work and thanks for sharing. Really appreciate you and your videos. ✌️

  • @fiercefix
    @fiercefix Год назад

    Love the stroke on the workpiece! That's the quality control sign off I'm looking for! 😂

  • @robertrushbrooke1028
    @robertrushbrooke1028 3 года назад

    The nerd in me would polish that pipe work and leave it open. What a work of art.

  • @daviddickson7494
    @daviddickson7494 3 года назад

    Great work thanks for sharing

  • @lennykelly9952
    @lennykelly9952 3 года назад

    Would love to work alongside Robin for a few months for nothing the amount of knowledge you would learn.

  • @T.E.P.
    @T.E.P. 3 года назад

    A true master! And here's the usual comment praising the work and the great sound and editing. Please pass on my compliments to whomever designed your logo, it's a wonderful addition to the intro.

  • @patrickjbrennan1825
    @patrickjbrennan1825 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @fattoamanowoodwork3638
    @fattoamanowoodwork3638 Год назад

    neat good man, thank you for this and all the there videos

  • @maverick6170
    @maverick6170 3 года назад +8

    Great work as always Robin. Just a moot point but if the valve should leak any time in the future there's a handy electrical back box to collect the water 😬

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад +1

      I have no control over the electrical installation, thank fully the modern electrical breakers would simply cut out if ever there was a problem

    • @1starshot
      @1starshot 3 года назад +6

      That's a new safety feature called a 'valve leak indicator'. Emits an audible bang for the hard of hearing along with a blue flash & loss of power to indicate there's a problem 😆

    • @johncoppock3823
      @johncoppock3823 3 года назад +1

      Top job Robin as always. You did the best you could with those cables. Can't believe the electric designer put sockets in the same compartment. RCCB were added to improve safety surely, not to compensate for compromised designs (Just a personal view)

  • @ianthompson9058
    @ianthompson9058 3 года назад

    Surprisingly useful to have a bit of roof battin on site

  • @anthonyschofield7807
    @anthonyschofield7807 2 года назад

    Hi Robin,could I ask did you do any more videos on the Capel project, I watched them all and would love to see the finished article 👍

  • @criancascriancas6797
    @criancascriancas6797 2 года назад

    I Love this channel.
    I'm from Brazil

  • @neiltrevatt
    @neiltrevatt 3 года назад

    Plumber I used to work with always done a pressure air test and someone would check the dial every day that way not going to damage if there is a leak

  • @steveburton2806
    @steveburton2806 3 года назад

    Lovely job,
    Can I ask, was that open water pipe with the speedfit connector on, facing upwards, protected from the holes you drilled in the stud above it?

  • @RobinBull1968
    @RobinBull1968 2 года назад

    How would you deal with making access for service to, or replacement of the shower valve when, for example, any plastic components on the control levers wear? My father made a removable access panel on the opposite side of the wall so the the entire valve and any plumbing could be replaced without the need to damage the tiling in the bathroom.

  • @leeedwards3783
    @leeedwards3783 3 года назад

    Great video. Would you chop into a brick wall to install this shower valve if it was going on an external wall? I guess if 5he wall was 300mm solid brick would be OK, if it was modern build with block, insulation etc would you/could you buy putting a little lintel in? Not sure what the regs are on that? Thanks again for the great video

    • @ironpirate8
      @ironpirate8 3 года назад

      A better solution would probably be to build a stud wall directly in front of the block wall and install the mixer and pipes etc in that. You would lose 100mm or so of the room, but it would make installation much easier and avoid chopping the masonry wall to pieces.

  • @rossbuchanan7632
    @rossbuchanan7632 3 года назад

    i take it you are really liking that Milwaukee skilsaw then?

  • @paulthompson5416
    @paulthompson5416 3 года назад +7

    I see you didn’t get Rodger in for the plumbing 🪠
    Mustn’t have wanted any leaks 😂😂

  • @frankie638
    @frankie638 Год назад

    What size screw in unions did you use on that valve m8t.

  • @jharris7407
    @jharris7407 3 года назад

    Robin what brand are them work pants . Knowing your a man of exquisite taste of tools the tweeds must be a good make ? Im sick of buying crap pants that don’t last .

  • @robertadams7980
    @robertadams7980 3 года назад +1

    Great work on the boiler apart from the PRV discharge being in overflow pipe not 22mm copper.

  • @chrisheeps8550
    @chrisheeps8550 3 года назад +1

    I have to ask now after watching loads of your videos, how many 2 inch pencils do you have?.. 😂 never seen you with a pencil longer than 2 inches... another great video. 👍

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +3

      All my pencils are 3" or less, Thanks Screwfix! Hahahaha 😜

  • @paulfinnonjoinery
    @paulfinnonjoinery 3 года назад

    what was the drill bit you were using on this vid robin? I first fixed a bathroom a while back with all concealed valves. the bath filler (not tap strangely enough) i had to get absolutely bang on for the thickness of the tiles etc it was that much of a stupid design. litterally near enough mm perfect. that was a right headache

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад

      These where the festool forstner drill bits

  • @davetaylor4741
    @davetaylor4741 3 года назад +3

    Never seen one of those flash things. Mostly I fit what we call a flick mixer. A noggin in the back and done. Some still want taps. Interesting to see all the pipes going everywhere in the walls that will be sealed in. I can remember when shower pipes were the only concealed pipes but you had to have an access panel. Also horizontal cables. When I left that was a no no. Cables were in line above or below the plug or switch. You could cut across to a hard wired stove from the control switch but that was about it. Going horizontal saves time and cable but not such a good job. The old way was so logical and you knew where everything was. Here we do the same pipes and cables in any direction with no logic. You are trying to fit something on a wall and never know what you will hit.

    • @speedbird300
      @speedbird300 3 года назад +1

      Horizontal between visible fixtures is allowed m.ruclips.net/video/c4BsettT0N8/видео.html
      More concerning might be moving the vertical cables off the centre line of the stud wall and nearer the surface

  • @pauldunne9437
    @pauldunne9437 3 года назад

    Robin where is your tracer pencil

  • @titanclass3895
    @titanclass3895 3 года назад

    *”From here to THERE!”*

  • @ian_s7481
    @ian_s7481 3 года назад +1

    How do you get to these valves when they go wrong? I’ve had so many people as me to come and look at drips coming through the ceiling from them or they seize up due to the hard water, the look on peoples face when you tell them you have to remove tiles and they can’t get replacements 😲. I just like sticking to room side valves it makes life so much easier when they need changing.

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +1

      That's when you sell them a water softener,

  • @adrianred236
    @adrianred236 Год назад

    13:43 or a good old fashion plumb line

  • @sally6457
    @sally6457 3 года назад +6

    To be a joiner you must know your own trade, and every other trade, You are expected to make it easier for everyone else to do their job, then know how to cover up, or make other trades bad work look good.
    To be a plumber you need to know ; sh1t flows downhill, payday is Thursday,
    Bricklayer; one on top of two
    Electrician; difference between blue, brown and green,
    Jobs not done until you've smashed everything within 12" of a wire or backbox
    Plasterer; throw the mud and blame the joiner.

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +1

      @@loafersheffield thank God for the joiners, keeping everyone happy and taking up the slack!

  • @CavanMan
    @CavanMan 3 года назад

    What type of Framing Square are you using Robin?

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад +1

      This is my own framing square that I am producing, it is stainless steel 3mm thick and is marked for metric roof construction, the square will be accompanied by an app with calculators and instructions for traditional roof construction

  • @garvielloken3929
    @garvielloken3929 3 года назад

    Nooice!

  • @kevinvanzanten2194
    @kevinvanzanten2194 3 года назад

    Have you been able to source the cutters for the hinge template?

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад

      I have 50 that I have sourced have you had trouble getting one?

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад +1

      I am adding these to the website this week

    • @kevinvanzanten2194
      @kevinvanzanten2194 3 года назад

      @@ukconstruction great news

  • @markchambers9415
    @markchambers9415 3 года назад

    HAPPY ST GEORGES DAY

  • @JACKATTACKED
    @JACKATTACKED 3 года назад

    👍

  • @andrewbaker7548
    @andrewbaker7548 3 года назад +1

    I never see any insulation on hot water pipes I youtube videos.

  • @kevocos
    @kevocos 3 года назад

    I've never seen a carpenter fitting the valve itself is that common in the UK?

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +1

      In the UK, if you want it right, ask the joiner.

    • @K5SSY
      @K5SSY 3 года назад +1

      This is the ideal situation shown here, in real life the walls are in and boarded, plumber comes along to fit the valve, holes and boards removed every where. Plumber doesn't know anything about the tile work or shower boards going in. Unfortunately it's all down to planning the job correctly and doing things at right stages. Everything Is fine in this job as Everything seems to be new, but what about when bathrooms are getting overhauled and renovated. Also there's just as much work goes into the fitting of the wall plate elbows for the outlets. There's no way in the UK this would happen in real life, a joiner doing what's he's done. They are to busy to worry about doing something like this. Unless they are on day rate and not bothered.

  • @neiltrevatt
    @neiltrevatt 3 года назад +2

    Not just those cables but most or all cables don’t appear to be in there zones or am I missing something

    • @kingofthetrowel1725
      @kingofthetrowel1725 2 года назад

      I’m not a sparky and any sparky please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think they are in the correct zones as the run vertical from the socket positions and are outside of a special location.pretty sure it all has to be RCD protected, I’ve seen it where the back of a concealed shower valve was touching the back of a drywall box of a light switch (back to back in stud) I asked both sparky and plumber if it was ok and they didn’t bat an eyelid 😂😂😂

    • @sdgelectronics
      @sdgelectronics 2 года назад +1

      @@kingofthetrowel1725 They're out of zones since they don't go vertically from the accessory - they snake off to the side before the vertical run which is out of prescribed zones

  • @paulfinnonjoinery
    @paulfinnonjoinery 3 года назад

    also out of interest do you class yourself as a carpenter or a joiner? up here in south shields there are a few joiners but no carpenters. seems its not a word used up here. i might be missing a trick here.

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад

      Hi Paul, I am a Carpenter and joiner, so i know bench joinery and all site carpentry, when I served my apprenticeship we studied both disciplines, I know lots of my carpenter friends who from the north of the UK are referred to as Joiners!!! it's a regional thing!! in the south we are chippies!!

  • @sdgelectronics
    @sdgelectronics 2 года назад

    Why on earth is the PRV from the boiler piped in plastic?? This is against regs

  • @iwangriffiths7755
    @iwangriffiths7755 3 года назад

    Quick video (17 minutes long 😂

  • @peteryoung2026
    @peteryoung2026 3 года назад +1

    For the money then cross water mixers are they really should be easier to fit.
    They need to be easier to level and an easier way to get the correct depth.
    The mixers would be better with a soldered connection option well rather than relying on a compression connection inside a finished wall

  • @jacko791
    @jacko791 3 года назад +2

    You spent all that time talking about how limited the depth range is on the valve then glossed over the backplate elbow. Usually have to guess your finished tile depth within 1-2mm with those, would have loved to see some tips for that

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад +1

      Sometimes you have to just work it out for yourself, or hire a professional. All that good advice and you still want more?
      He gives away all the "trade secrets" he knows, now you want him to read the instructions and compensate for your lack of common sense?
      Pro tip for all you budding diyers out there; if you can't build an Ikea wardrobe without making a single mistake; don't attempt fitting your own bathroom!

    • @jacko791
      @jacko791 3 года назад +1

      @@sally6457 I know how to work it out myself. My point was that he spent quite a bit of time showing how to do the valve but no time showing the back plate. The back plate generally won't come with any instructions and has less than a tenth of the tolerance of the valve.

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад

      @@jacko791 if you know it, make a video and add a link in your comment.
      Why do so many people feel the need to point out what they think people did wrong?
      Be greatfull for the good advice people give, what's with this attitude of entitlement?
      The polite thing to do is to ask for a follow up video or advice on where to find help with more details on the area not covered.

    • @jacko791
      @jacko791 3 года назад +4

      @@sally6457 Wow! No need to get eggy. It's been a long lockdown for some, might be time to go out and get some fresh air

    • @sally6457
      @sally6457 3 года назад

      @@jacko791 yeah, I think your probably right there. 👍

  • @elvis7171
    @elvis7171 Год назад

    Nice work, but I guarantee that one of those lazy plumber's plastic push fit joints will leak sooner than later.

  • @stenseins5606
    @stenseins5606 3 года назад

    Copper would not allowed anymore in Germany.The whole installation must be removed.It is a shame for an German Plumber🤔🙄🥱

    • @andrewriley4204
      @andrewriley4204 3 года назад

      1. Why ?
      2. Guessing that you are using MLCP ?

  • @lukethompson5227
    @lukethompson5227 3 года назад +1

    Nah, just nail it in gash af, leave it leaking and let the next guy sort it out. Standard plumbing 101.

  • @brianoneill350
    @brianoneill350 3 года назад

    Then you discover valve should be mounted horizontally 😂

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад

      Thats a classic!! But it happens, like that Brian!

  • @colinvanful
    @colinvanful 3 года назад

    i hope the customer is getting a good discount on all your time wasting on the job as it clearly shows they are paying for your upload time and comentry . hell i can't belive you get away with charging customers for you talking and messing about !

    • @ukconstruction
      @ukconstruction  3 года назад +6

      I believe in sharing knowledge and helping others and I live my life by this mantra. My customers and clients are fabulous people that I have been working with in some cases for decades, I do all my work on a price and not by the day or hour, I also make photographic records and video for my clients for their future reference. It takes no extra time and I think that filming real life work situations for sharing knowledge is the best way

    • @lawrenceowens5750
      @lawrenceowens5750 3 года назад +3

      Come the end of the job the client has photos/videos of various stages of the work that has been carried about by someone in their home...the work and extra video time taken all done on the price agreed by the client and tips, experience and knowledge passed on.
      Whats not to like, perfect!

    • @ironpirate8
      @ironpirate8 3 года назад +2

      It must take time from the job, but of course there would be an understanding with the customer in advance, or Robin would lose work.
      One advantage to the customer is that someone who films their work and makes it public, is holding themselves accountable - they are putting their standards up to be judged by the customer themselves, and thousands of other people with a lot of collective experience. It's the ultimate quality control.

    • @sdgelectronics
      @sdgelectronics 2 года назад

      @@ironpirate8 Sadly this shows an incompetent plumber (PRV discharge pipework) and incompetent electrician (cables out of prescribed zones and insufficient cable support). Not a good advert!

    • @gf5328
      @gf5328 Год назад

      Great video.
      Looks like a good quality job.
      But I was a bit surprised to see and open ended pipe with you drilling a hole on top of it. Shower valves are
      delicate and can't have dust going in it.
      You can tell the plumber is good for using
      copper.… real plumber. But the rest is all plastic. Also I’m not sure about having wires behind a shower valve 🤔. I would have taken either the wires or the valve across. And I would have had the valve closer to the shower head. Forget having to walk away from the shower head/water outlet to change temperature then having to go back to check if its suitable.. but idk the design the customer wanted.
      But nice neat work and you are certainly a great carpenter ☺️.

  • @powderpuff1964
    @powderpuff1964 2 года назад

    do you know how to strengthen metal wall studs many thanks doing my one at home thanks colin