Should WASPI women get compensation for pension changes?: 'pensioners are people too!'
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- Опубликовано: 23 мар 2024
- Political Commentator, Jo Phillips, and GB News Presenter, Albie Amankona, debate if WASPI women should be given compensation for pension changes.
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PENSION IS NOT A BENEFIT. PEOPLE PAY INTO IT FOR YEARS.
NO, no the do not, they pay towards those that have ALREADY retired. there is not "paying into it" it's a myth, you paid for you parents, as they paid for their and so on.
There is no pot, never have been.
Only in private pensions will you actually have a pot, and not the state pension lie
Really? the current full state pension is £203.85 per week, soon to rise to £221.20. how many people do you know who paid this into their pension, to get this amount? Probably ZERO! If a person pays in for 35 years, as I have, I would never have paid £221 per week! Further, should I live to 100, the money I paid in will NEVER be anywhere enough! The pension is a stare benefit for the most part!
@@andyansell9000erm, are you in receipt of state pension? How many folks of pension age do you know who are in receipt of ‘full state pension’? Answers on a postage stamp perhaps? I’m in receipt of pension now (waspi woman here, denied of 6 years worth of pension - roughly £48k) & I can assure you it is NOT anywhere near the figures you have quoted, despite working full time for 45years & raising 3 children! Maybe you could do a bit of research - I’m sure many would be interested in your findings…
Some people are paid so much they can retire at 55. Usually, because they have a private pension. Some people think, though, that when they get the state pension, it will be an addition. Wrong.
@@andyansell9000 Even works pensions pay out more than was paid in
What about the Tax payers paying for illegals in Hotels ?.
Goverment dont seem to have any problem giving money to Illegal immigrants ,sending money to Ukraine or Rwanda.
Giving money to people who have never worked a day in their lives
I'm glad you've said that, Jean, as I was going to make a second comment to cover those issues.
The Crusades are over. Game over dude. Game over
True, Plenty of money for benefits scroungers and illegal immigrants. Not enough money for people to retire, who work and pay tax/national insurance for most of their lives
@@ewanrollo5562 you reveal yourself 😊
Get that stupid man off 😮
stop paying unemployment benefits for more than one year, get people back to work.
Also ban asylum seekers who have been through SAFE countries any money, no legal aid no hotels etc, use the billions saved to help people who have worked!
Thought we wanted to look after our own?
I agree. I have always worked, I am early 60s, earn less than 10,000 and know people on benefits who can work bring in far more than me when you add on their housing benefit and council tax. Get them back to work and send immigrants home
Unemployment is capped at 6 months in the UK.
Its not people that are sick and disabled people having to look after their elderly parents children that are unable, there not screwing you it's the government.
@@pip1723They see "there own" as white middle class people all others can stuff it.
I started work at 16, worked through college & uni & told I would get state pension at age 65 now it is 67. The government fecked up my pension plans now have to pay extra into private pension. Yet not one letter stating I wont get a pension until 67. Yet some people never ever worked & get huge amount of benefits', while workers are screwed over!
Plenty of money available for foreign wars and uninvited ungrateful immigrants but distinct shortage when it comes to compensating those that have paid for all this largesse.
When I started work the standard week involved a Saturday morning and we were entitled to two weeks holiday per year, and yes it was physical work not sitting at a computer screen all day. We all had to queue for the bus twice a day and foreign travel was rare. Hours were 0800 to 1800 or 2000 on college day release. The nation is now filled with an entitled, pampered and mostly useless generation.
People who have never worked do not get the same as people who have worked all their lives.
The State Pension is not a gift from the tax payer, it is a qualified right for those that have paid National Insurance contributions for the requisite number of years. I have calculated that I would have to draw state pension for 17 years from age 67 to recoup the amount of NI I have paid into the system, that would take me to one year beyond the current life expectancy for a British man. I am not in the best of health, so I don't expect to get anywhere near 83yo. The youth's arguments are at best ill informed and at worst delusional.
You’ve never been to a doctor or hospital then ?
Pay a lot but use nothing? Bad health? Prob owe us with yer hospital bills over the years.
@@djdris @New-ye2fl 46 years of paying income tax, 9 of which were full time military service, pays for my health care.
@@New-ye2fldisrespectful
@@New-ye2fl you presumably have never accessed health or social care? Let's hope it carries on for you. Good luck. 😂
They'll play for time hoping some will kick the bucket before they pay out.
But we can afford £250,000 for each of the 9 million unskilled immigrants who have come her since 2000, that was the EU say they cost, and will never be net contributors. As someone affected I totally agreed with and understood the equality reasons, it was unfair to men. Jo Phillips is ill informed there was a sliding scale of reitrement dates for those born 1950 -55, but for those born after 55 retirement has gone from 60 to 66. If they wanted to save on pensions, why not stop the iniqutous pensions paid to married women who were rich enough to have never worked who get 60% of a pension based on their husbands NI, or the even worse second version of this given to muslim men with two wives, or the automatic pension given to anyone over 80 who has never paid a penny in NI.
Brexit and taking back control... Not quite what was promised.
Why do people keep calling Pensions a Benefit. It's not a benefit, it's what pensioners are entitled to after paying into the system for 50 years.
We paid into our old age pension all our lives before we retired. My pension should have been paid when I was 60 years old but without my knowledge was put up to 65 years. All our retirement plans were destroyed, l had to retire as I had very elderly parents unable to look after themselves. With only a small private pension of £140 a month you try to live on that.
Men when told they would have to go from 60 yers to 65 years for their old age pension fought it out with the government and their unions for 5 years and received their compensation of the difference back over a 5 year period. That young man does not know what he is talking about.
The pension age didn’t need to go up it was a political decision, this country has plenty money they could access, start taxing the wealthy super rich properly. The people who put the pension age up all have the chance to retire under 60 years old.
One rule for the rich and one rule for the poor😂😂😂
The people who put the pension age up never worked to begin with
The pension age was set at 60s when the life expectancy of people was early 60s. If we kept the pension age I. The early - mid sixties we would eventually (very shortly as it seems) have an unsustainable number of people claiming state pension requiring the working people to pay higher and higher taxes. It is only right that the pensionable age rises with life expense, do you really think it is sustainable to have people sat on state pension for 25 - 30 years, do you rally thing the taxes you paid in your life will ever cover what you will take out. You’re deluded.
@@user-pt8yr9xk3bexactly what evidence to you base that on. Do the unemployed decide legislation these days??
Equality isn’t all it’s cracked up to be is it 😂
Equality and diversity are creating more division in the UK
Even robots get a say
Feminists are moaning they got equality too quickly 😂
Jo Phillips is wrong when she says the state pension age went up from 60 to 66. It didn't. It first went up from 60 to 63, then from 63 to 66. I had to wait until I reached 63 before I could claim my state pension.
Is it 67 now?
@@jujutrini8412
I'm not sure, but I think it has recently gone up again. 67 seems plausible, but it might be even higher. Check the GOV.UK website.
@@jujutrini8412
Oh, I've just noticed that my reply to you of yesterday has disappeared! No idea why, as it was just a simply worded sentence or two. At this rate, we'll soon be unable to say boo to a mouse on here!😒🥴
@@EIRE55 My answers keep disappearing as well. RUclips is getting worse. Anyhow, peace to you.
I say pay them full compensation. The Government can afford to send billions to other countries, pay billions to house migrants, build a Muslim war memorial, etc etc.
So you are saying we should not have war memorials?
Sadiq Khan and his staff receive £100,000 each per year, ten staff? On top of this will be expenses. The amounts given to immigrants that keep coming is counted in this expenditure. Waspi the dignity and deserved compensation to all.
I say they stole it, so pay it back you voteing for them,huh I’m not !!!!!!
Scandalous. That WASPI's weren't represented by a WASPI. Jo was not representing the unfairness 1950s who had paid National insurance all their lives to get a pension at 60. Employment was not fair for women who were not able to join company pension schemes, and how DWP did not in past years class state pensions as 'benefits' but an paid for entitlements. This was not fair representation of the 1950s women's situation. I'm disgusted with yet another government favoured whitewash by GB News
Spot on. 👍
The wasps shouldn't get anything
Another example of feminist rejecting the very equality they demanded.
It was a disgrace thats womens pension age was increased because we cant afford it,while governments spend billions of taxpayers money helping other countries
But it’s fine for the men’s age to rise. It’s called equality. Exactly what these women demanded in their youth. It was only right their pension age was raised to match men’s.
That’s equality. That’s what they demanded, that’s what they got. Be careful what you wish for, you may not like it.
On you go albie get yourself signed up for the army.
I started work at 15 for almost half the pay of the men doing the same work. Men also had a pension. My entire retirement plans were changed when they doubled the waiting time to receiving my pension from 6 years to 12. Every time I asked for a pay rise I was told I retire earlier. Where’s my back pay? Make it quick because I retired at Christmas last year and was diagnosed with cancer 4 months later.
Might as well say all the men conscripted for civil and military service deserve compensation too.
It shouldn’t be about notification. The generation of women concerned were never given equality of opportunity during their education, not permitted to study the same subject nor take tge sane exams nor treated as if their education was important. They weren’t allowed to enter the same careers nor considered for many positions and promotions. They weren’t granted any of the same financial opportunities for investments and pensions. They were expected to leave careers when married or pregnant and to look after children and elderly relatives, saving the state and men the cost. They had no opportunity to accumulate a similar level of private pensions and savings. It was always understood that retiring five years earlier than men was an equalizer to counter that. To spuriously claim to be bestowing equality at the end of their careers by removing 6 years of promised pension benefit is obviously gaslighting and plain wicked and creating extreme inequality, not equality. In any case, it will probably cost the state more now that such women won’t be available as a free care service for grandchildren children and elderly parents and informal niegbourhood eatch.
Debate over- the Ombudsman has made his recommendations- pay up!
No they should not. It was announced in 1995 (and very widely publicized at the time)and pension ages were not synchronized until 2018. That's 23 years notice. Not enough?? Can't think of any other piece of legislation given so much notice. Also any compensation would have to be funded by tax payers many of whom won't get their State Pension until they are almost 70! How is that fair?
NI cut - have we forgotten that only a couple of years ago Sunak put it up by 2% to pay for NHS & Social Care. So in reality they scammed us for 2 years and have only put it down by 2%! Added to which fiscal dray and no change to allowances has dragged more into higher taxation!
A pension is not a benefit as a lot of people think it is people pay into National insurance all there working life to get a state pension so DO NOT CLASS IT AS A BENEFIT
As a WASPI I must say, this young man is a lot to do with what is wrong with this country now !!
His attitude to our children and the mature generation who have paid into our system for 50+ years are entitled to a pension which by the way is not a benefit, we worked for it.
We also paid for his education and his health care until he started paying his own way.
We were not given prior notice of the changes so how could we find any information before hand.
I was born in 1952 so had to work another two and a half years before my pension was paid. Some ladies have had to wait up to six years extra.
If this young man is so concerned about the countries safety for the future there is a simple answer " JOIN OUR LOYAL SERVICE MEN/WOMEN AND DEFEND THE UK YOURSELF "
Yes.
I am totally on the side of WASPI women, afterall I am one of the them. However, I have to point out that it was staggered as it very much depended on what month and year you were born. We aren't asking for back pay of lost pension just some sort of compensation for mal administration of how women were personally informed of the rises.
A £5 Amazon voucher for each woman should suffice 😂
WE SHOULD CAMPAIGN GOVERNMENT TO TAKE PENSIONS OUT OF BENEFITS AS ITS ENFORCED CONTRIBUTATIONS TO OBTAIN
Women live on average 4 years longer than men. Yet men were having to work five years longer than women before claiming a state pension. When the European Union made it mandatory for the equalisation of pensions they increased it for both Men and Women then equalised it. So Women at first had an advantage in earlier retirement and longer life enjoying that retirement. Yet as soon as equality means they work the same amount of time to gain the state pension they want to be compensated for it? We always hear about inequality of wages not not inequality of life expectancy.
I and many others started work at 15 then they changed it to 16, so we in reality should have been able to retire at 64 as we’ve put an extra year in. But no chance of that.
You started work at 15 because you chose not to go into a 5th form at school. Your choice.
@alandraper7901 no choice about it, Alan, my sister was expected to go to work at 15 to help with family income. What would she have gained from staying on another year? She has worked all her life and still volunteering now in her 70s. Her work ethic is commendable. Stop being so flippant. You have no idea about people's circumstances.
@nessie5255 Nor do you. I worked till 71. Never have I claimed benefits nor asked for compensation for anything.
@@nessie5255 Perfect reply..
@alandraper7901 were you discriminated against for having children? If you have any, I bet at 71 you just carried on as normal earning money. Don't think being at home looking after children was an easy option. It would have been easier to go to work and let someone else do it. But of course, most working class women were at home painting their nails and lunching out, weren't they. Stop pulling the poor men card. As I have said before, if it was about equality, they could have brought the retirement age down for men. It was a money grab from an easy target.
It's hard for women who have other responsibilities like looking after older parents and grand children. It will cost a lot more if people stop looking after their parents
Too right. iu have my 92 year old mum live with me. Due to the government raising it 6 yrs I had to carry on working. paid in from 1972, age 15 working in a mill! worked ever since. I claimed carers allowance for exactly 4 months. You get zero for caring duties once you receive a pension NOT A BENEFIT! We don't qualify for anything due to paying in to a paltry private pension. We have everything to pay for all because we were workers! This and other governments have got it all wrong. Workers should receive support whether it helps with bus fares, petrol, rent, council tax etc. we have a shortage of workers why? I do not believe or even understand why anyone (except disabled, elderly, and young children) should receive 1 penny of our hard-earned taxes for doing nothing!!
As a male pensioner who left school at 15 and worked in construction
Till I was 67 paying my tax and N.I. ,
I’d have thought most of the younger people would be more concerned with being conscripted into a war by the EU and NATO,and General Macron ,
Rather than worry about
Pensioners and The Waspi women getting what is rightfully theirs
I have spent the last 3 years caring for my mother, brother in law and disabled son. Apparently that is being economically inactive. Many women disproportionately spend time caring for elderly relatives, now they are working and there is a social care emergency. How much is that costing the country I wonder?
It's not working. You can also apply for care support.
Doesn't explain what was the right communication for the changes.
I was one of them and I absolutely knew about it because I wasn't living in a cave.
I don't get what its all about
Pretty much tough same happens to men who have been ripped off.
It's the women who are alone when divorce happens. They are left to bring children up alone. No bus pass or other benefits.
Chuld support? Housing benefit? Other benefits?
Not unless men get compensation too i was slapped with an extra year from 65 to 66 . should i get it too ? if so they owe me a years pension
This has nothing to do with retirement age. But the 271 billion pound rape of the National insurance fund that deprived women in the 50s of their state pension, which successive Government had taken a decision not to top up the fund, originally proposed by William Beveridge when the welfare state was set up in 1948. A paper by national pension convention, reported by social security expert Tony Lynes, is still available on line.
@@francescostello1377
You haven’t got a bloody clue have you? The WASPIs were born in the 50s, they weren’t women in the 50s they were children. Most started work in the late 60s and beyond, when equal pay for equal work was being introduced. Why should they be entitled to compensation for being treated equally to men when it comes to retirement age? Men worked 5 years longer than women until 2010, where is our compensation, and who is going to pay for it?
My generation is already despised in the eyes of many of the younger generation. Do you think that it’s fair on them, for these grasping women to take money that could be spent on something that benefits more deserving people? I don’t, and there has been a lot of hysterical lying from some of these WASPI women. To hear them tell it, they were never informed of the changes, which happen to were announced in 1995. It seems that none of them watched TV or listened to the radio, they didn’t ever read newspapers or women’s magazines, all of which publicised the changes many times over, and they were forbidden to talk to other people. That is utter bollocks in my opinion.
And you had to work 5 years longer than women to get that pension.
They should be docked 5yrs,not compensated ! I see sexism is ok, if it only applies to men ?
My wife lost 45000 of pension from 60 to 66 and a half and is nothing short of robbery something should be done and must be done
No. Because, if memory serves, the rules were changed because a woman protested at being 'made' to retire at 60 when she wanted to carry on working?
They had 9 years notice, it was in the news, papers everyone talked about it
Where are MASPI claim. Even more men than women were affected by the pension age rise. Differences being the men don’t usually expect to be paid for doing nothing.
The pension age always had to rise. These women however seem to be rejecting in later life the equality they so loudly demanded in their youth. Equality is a double edge sword, as these women have found out.
Elderly parents,no carers allowance,homeless son ,no wonder Waspi women die. Yes I worked but I've no private pensions and I've been cheated. No maintenance or home.
My pension age was raised from 60 to 65 and then 66. I worked full time and was aware of and notified of this as were other women I worked with. I would like to know what jobs were these women doing so as not to be aware of the changes. The lovers in pensions are those who get the old rate of state pension which is lower than the newer rate
No they shouldn't. If anything men should have been retiring 5 years before women as women live longer. The great wrong has been done to the men who had to watch as women retired then work another 5 years often at more physically demanding work and watch those same women live longer thus getting a far greater share of the pension pot than they ever would. These Waspis have nothing whatsoever to complain about. Oh and they knew all about what was happening it was common knowledge for years and many women have said so. Why should those same men be penalised again by having their taxes raised to pay for this spurious compensation claim?
Funny they want equality and when they get it they only want some things like equal pay but not retirement age
So when are they going to get that then? Let's go back to keeping them chained to the kitchen sink eh? Oh I forgot they still do most of the child care and household chores while working full time and back them almost certainly did it all.
If it’s equally we are talking about why did the government not drop the age of working for men to 60 … like the rest of europe
@albertbell7120 I agree, why make older people work till they drop while young people languish in bed. Clearly, not all young people but quite a lot. A lot of people of the 50s generation started work at 15 or 16. Fortunate ones were supported and encouraged into higher education, but a lot of working class families wanted/needed the kids to work. No excuse now the opportunities are there if you want them. I have never complained about paying for my parents' pensions, and they didn't get it for long in the scheme of things. I am paying for someone else's now. That's how it goes. I wish I had had the opportunity to pay into a pension, but nobody ever talked to me about one. I only earned £30 a week in 1978, and my millionaire employer lied to the DWP and said he only paid me £20 so didn't even pay a stamp for me which stopped me from getting maternity allowance. But hey, he doesn't have to worry about his pension. He would laugh at the amount we are fighting for.
The real scandal is how male pensioners were treated, having to work at least 5 years more for all that time. Is equality only a good thing if it benefits women?
We lost a lot of money, some were very impoverished.Only £3000 is really piss poor.They have lots of money for invaders.
I started work at 15 and should of retired at 60
I wasn’t told until 2 months before my retirement age
Me too.
Did you just stick your head in the sand?
Iam sick of these waspi women ,lets look into this ,they knew the pension age was going up,we all got letters and it was on the TV,it was also brought in gradually,if they get compensation do this apply to the mens rise in pension age do we get compensation as well.
Women were generally paid less than men. Also the only freebie pensioners get is a bus pass.
Also free eye tests and medical prescriptions but not dental.
Men in manual labour jobs don't get paid for their strength today.
@@DrJamsBecause things are more automated.
No
People will eventually become pensioners
Indeed so, but the young don't appreciate the fact that they'll reach old age one day.
@@EIRE55 “time takes a cigarette and puts it in your mouth, you pull on one finger then another finger then your cigarette” David Bowie
@EIRE55 Because we won't have pensions because you lot took all the pot.
@@silver4831 Save it Eva 😊
@@EIRE55 did you?
The government gave 15years notice that the pension age for women would be raised to make women's pensionable age equal to men's. It's typical that those who chose not to read the newspapers or listen to the news on the radio, demand compensation. Just because they did not receive a letter, which they probably wouldn't have read, does not, in my opinion make a credible case.
My massage is for everyone giving opinion just P off
Working in the 1970's Waspi women were paid less than men because of earlier retirement so of course they should be compensated, they have lost all around.
I was upset when I got the letter just about a year and half to say I had to stay at work I stayed home with my children husband worked away not fair I worked out in all weathers snow rain wind had asthma got chest infections doctor told me to leave but needed the wage
The people getting benefits who shouldn’t be aren’t pensioners but people who’ve never paid in, most especially those who’ve just walked into the country. Pension is not a benefit although you’ve just started calling it one. These people paid into a pension fund that they were promised would pay back out.
'WASPI' stands for "Women against State Pension INEQUALITY" I notice that they weren't grumbling about INEQUALITY when women were retiring at 60 and men had to continue until they were 65 years old. Not a lot of equality in the old system but the women were quite happy with that arrangement.
They are literally protesting against equality. 😂
Then they would out live their husbands and live off their work pension.
My neighbour has 4 pensions. Two of them are from dead husbands.
I wonder if they will ever protest about the inequality in the divorce courts and insist that 'OUR' kids don't become 'MY' kids and the women don't get to keep the house and demand maintenance and the husband's pension to boot.@@kinggeoffrey3801
The UK is a matriarchy. The feminists managed to twist it so they had it worse.
What about bedroom tax that was charged but pensioners don't pay!
Women should work longer and get to retire at the same age as men.
Why should men work longer, retire older, die younger therefore paying more in and getting less out.
What happened to this supposed equality - only when it suits them I take it.
What an offensive GB presenter bet he wouldn’t live on an OAP pension for a month never mind all the while
Men have had their pension age raised too, If women get compensation so should men
PENSION IS A RIGHT
Clearly this woke GB news presenter Albie Amankona who declares himself YOUNG could not give two hoots about the soon to be retiring women who have paid into the system for 45 years already that they should be ignored. Just wait when you 'YOUNG' man retires and retirement age is 70 or 71. See how you will feel then.
Women live on average 5 years longer than men , so should not men retire either 5 years earlier or women 5 years later ? this would be fair surely as the post retirement average would be the same
Women either don't really want equality or don't fully understand what it means. i.e. it's not all positives and beneficial.
Same thing happened with car insurance.
Albie do you not understand these women paid the NI and should have the right to be compensated
NOT A BENEFIT
Women live longer than men. I never understood why women got pensions earlier anyway. Some woman wanted equal treatment but discovered they don't like the bad deal men have always had working longer and dieing earlier. But women still complaining.
I great how I am expected to suck it up when the government changed my pension age. Then they added extra contributions and my lump sum reduced by 10000. Yet if I was two years older with much less time in the job, nothing changed
You do not state your birth year ! People born before Feb 1948 are still on the old system pension. This pays less than the new system for life. Swings and roundabouts has always been all governments game. The levelling up of the tax code and percentage rises make the differential even worse. My brothers called me "the factory cat" What a pudding I was.
@@paranoidballoon8190 government contracts
PENSION PLEA
We are the women born in the 50’s,
Who will not falter in our fight.
The government postponed our pension.
This isn’t fair. It isn’t right.
We contributed to this Nation,
Our workforce made this county great.
We don’t deserve to be singled out
Told our pensions have to wait.
We enriched the UK’s economy,
As teachers, nurses, mother and wife.
Now a random birth date lottery
Gives us an impoverished life.
We did as the government bade us,
Made sacrifices and paid our due.
Now is the time to repay that debt,
We did our bit. Now its up to you.
Trudy Howson LGBT Poet Laureate
Men worked 5 years longer,
Men paid in 5 years longer,
Men did the more arduous work,
Men died far earlier and collected less pension because of this,
Men did far more than their bit,
Give men more.
Stop robbing men to pay for spurious claims like this.
Arthur Chadwick - Centre half, Portsmouth.
Because I see these Women as like my mothers and losing my mum to cancer two years ago who was literally both a package together I really support the waspis in honour of my mum!
The retirement age didn't jump from 60 to 66 it went up in increments, my female co workers born around 1950 retired at 63, those born in 1953 retired at 66
Thats wrong born 1953 three years eight months we got our pension aged 63
@@chrisoultram9458 One of my co workers was born in 1953 and got her pension at 66, maybe she was born after August 53 or worked a bit longer
But even so it was still incremental
Paying in for fifty years hello
Pay up. Keep it decent
A stunning failure of these women to understand their pensions.
The problem is too many lazy gits getting more than contributors, making the system top heavy. Then the money jugglers only option is to pay entitled contributors short . The tax and pension system is almost unfathomable for those who are not "smart arses".
It was staggered, I received mine at the age of 63!
I did, too, and have pointed that out in my own comment.
I’ll defence ye Albie Amankona, how dare you! Your opinions are deeply offensive imho! Who is it that has the children? Who is it that is tasked with homemaking? Don’t get me started! Women were always disadvantaged because of work inequalities - fact, paying ‘small stamps’ largely because if women did work it was mostly part time roles to fit in with child care/carer duties for elderly/disabled relatives. Things may be slightly more balanced these days. However, us waspi women are & continue to be disadvantaged - many have become ill due to the stress (& many have died before being able to get any pension) & confusion surrounding the pension scam via dwp/govt’s. C’mon, even you must admit that if anyone pays into a system with the ‘promise’ of a payout at a particular age, then the system is duty bound to pay out - not change the goalposts (without at least suitable notice in order for folks to prepare). Many women were not notified & those who were had little/no time to prepare adequately. And you think it’s ok to talk about OUR money being used for defence - when this current govt can prove its commitment to defending our coasts then maybe we’ll listen. Best wishes.
It’s not poor communication there was no communication
These public school boys are not in the same world! They spend more on coffee than I have to live on.
Absolutely not. Nobody has taken money from women. They have just been told they will have to work as long as men before they get their pension. Quite right, too.
That would be fine if they had been treated as equal to men prior to this but they weren't. Lower pay, less opportunities, gaps in employment to raise children etc. Nothing equal about it.
@nessie5255 That's why women needed to work longer. To get a better wage and, therefore, a better pension when they do retire. The more you money you pay into the pot, the more you get when you retire. Fact.
@alandraper7901 I am past 60, not senile so I do understand the principle of how pensions work, but women of this and previous generations were discriminated against so is it fair to rip them off again?. I have no objection to women working longer if they had the same opportunities, but clearly, they didn't. The women born after this had better pension opportunities, working conditions, and child care provision. How about if they had brought pension age down for men to align with women if they wanted to? How about getting younger unemployed people into these jobs? This is not about working longer it's about the inequality of opportunity. How will you feel when the people making these decisions tell you there is no work for you, we have replaced you with AI, so toddle along, and we will give you just enough to live. Mark my words, the day will come. They failed women then and are still failing now. It's not about money it's principle. I can work for two months longer and get the same amount they are suggesting as compensation, so I couldn't care less about the money, but some women in part-time work earning rubbish wages whilst bringing up a family have been majorly affected and should be compensated by the men making these decisions, who then had the audacity to retire at 50 and used equal rights as an excuse to steal billions from the women they promised could retire at 60.
@nessie5255 It's amazing how many people think you just get the basic state pension when you retire. Not knowing you also get a percentage of what you put into the pot on top of the basic. That's paid as a lump sum or 4 weekly for the rest of their lifetime.
Company pensions also mean a better amount when you retire or before you hit retirement age if you choose to do so. That, though, has also affected pensions, with some people retiring at as young as 55, perhaps. Knackering up companies who have invested in employees only to lose them far too early
I appreciate that women usually are the ones who look after the kids. Obviously affecting their pension.
I still think, though the government owes no one compensation.
If a woman has never had kids and worked all her life, then surely she would deserve a better pension. Women do get maternity leave, though. So that would balance it out. Compensation, though, because the government has increased the retirement age. I certainly don't agree.
Women campaigned for equal rights....now they have them...whats the problem?
The 'goal posts' were suddenly moved by 6 years. That's the problem! This change from retirement at 60 to 66 wasn't gradually or incrementally introduced over a few years.
I'm sorry but I don't have huge sympathy. 44 years full time work and if I'm still alive I'll have paid NI for 51 full years. This despite living alone and bringing up my child alone with no family support. I'm fuming that people slightly older than me are rubbing their hands together even though many of them don't need the money and my my taxes are paying for them.
Err most if them are still working and paying taxes because they can't afford to retire. So you don't think some these women were also struggling to bring up children alone and without all the benefits given out to single parents now.
Yes.