Westminster Hall Debate: Changes to the 1950s women state pension age - 12/3/24
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2024
- ⚖️ Fair and fast compensation for the 1950s women
📈 3.8 million women affected up and down the UK
🗣️ "Yet again, I say, pay that compensation and step up to the plate."
My full speech from earlier 👇
Unless you arrive on a boat you will get f all
Glasgow confirmed that to me 22yrs ago when my disability payments were stopped. From shareen.
I was born September 55. I left school 15 and worked full time until I had my children, then went back to work. I finally got my pension on my 66th birthday, a full 6 years later than expected. This has gone on long enough, please give us the compensation we are entitled to.
Yes, they find it easy to rip women off don't they. They also find ways to pay less, I am still in dipute about failing to get a full pension, despite 51 working years, and DWP are pretty useless. They lose records, say you have private pensions when you don't, whilst not proving anything that they say - it's an utter disgrace.
I was born in 1954 and my retirement date was pushed back not once but twice. When they first announced the change, I was due to retire the month before I was 64 and then it got pushed back again and I finally got mine when I was 65.5. It was badly done and very unfair, men got far more notice and their date was only pushed back from 65 to 66.
Yes 1955 me, I too had to wait till 66years to claim , Later than expected. Both me and my adopted sister three months younger than me have both waited and worked for a further 6 years feeling how unfair this was .
When I started work in the 80's, you were told that you would have to retire when they were 60. Imo this should be honoured.
Yet no problem with millions for migrants hotels?.
Hats off to this guy. My gran was one of those women. He is spot on. Where is the Labour government on this.? Umm
Don’t worry when Labour get in they’ll spend the taxpayers money on inequality like this. They like spending other peoples hard earned money on people who don’t do anything or have any allegiance to the country. Women want equality - here it is. In fact they live longer so should have a higher retirement age - 75 seems fair. I notice they weren’t crying when they retired at 60 for decades.
@@sonofednawelthorpe8609Don't talk rubbish check your facts.
@@sonofednawelthorpe8609 you’re talking sh1te son, fact!
Equality would have been reducing the age for men to 62.5, whilst increasing the age for women to 62.5. the government would have been able to do that without a problem.
The question is why are you not angry that real equality didn't happen for men@@sonofednawelthorpe8609
@@sonofednawelthorpe8609bet they were crying when they didn’t get equal pay 😮
I am a WASPI woman and this whole situation is a disgrace...the government needs to address this urgently!!
I agree, i am one affected by this, but sadly i dont think any government will put it right.
The only disgrace here is that men ere expected to work more years and die earlier before they got their pension, more often than not at more physically demanding work. Me, me me, that's all I'm hearing here though. Stop whinging and welcome to equality, it sucks doesn't it?
@@Andrew-tx9jyhow dare you! My mother worked a very physical job for 40 years she's injured her bones doing it and millions more women work physical jobs so don't be so insulting to these deserving women
@@rickyhank118 And how dare you! Millions of men have worked arduous jobs and died before they reached retirement, my father being one of them, never having had the chance to get a penny at all and it is an insult to all them that these women think they deserve money while men work longer and get nothing but will have to pay more taxes to pay these claims.
@@Andrew-tx9jy so how is it then that Martin Lewis an extremely intelligent man is wholly supporting these women! try doing some research and read into their plight, they had the children brought them up & worked in a totally different era whereby women were the lower paid and classed as housewives and they had no choice but to have to look after the husbands children while he could do the full time work! you know nothing your just bitter, notice you haven't had a go at billions of tax money spent on migrants coming in have you!
Alan Brown your a star. I'm one of the women you speak of. One that the government hopes will die or fade away. Many thanks for speaking up on our behalf.
They removed a previously guaranteed right to pension just as many Women needed their pension. This happened to my Wife who had paid into the NI more than she had to! Yet, foreigners, young men from overseas who do not want to work, illegals, families from desert villages, all get to jump the queue for huge payouts, go straight on the unemployment, get homes, food, mobiles and even freaking pocket money!!! The wretched police even favour the invader over us! It’s not the Country (which is us) but these scum politicians and their backers (including the higher ups in the civil service) who need to be prosecuted and off to a very long jail sentence, for fraud.
Well said and quite agree! 👍
I’m one of the thousands of waspi ladies. Thank you for bringing this to the table. 🙏🏼
me too, I'm on my own with no family to turn to, born in 54. They really did a number on us, no free glasses etc everything paid for out of a pathetic pension. They bleat on about the triple lock being too high REALLY try living on less than £900 a month.
And me
Me too. It’s a disgrace. The Labour Party had better do something about it!
Yes and me born in 1958 disgusting
@@Mia19836 The only disgrace here is that men ere expected to work more years and die earlier before they got their pension, more often than not at more physically demanding work. Me, me me, that's all I'm hearing here though. Stop whinging and welcome to equality, it sucks doesn't it?
cough up
.. we were shafted !
no you weren't.
yes we were ... check your facts !!!!
@@hazelswain9768 It was the men who had to work for years more and get their pensions later who were shafted, check YOUR facts. EVERYONE knew about the pension age rise years ago, I did even though it didn't effect me and I wasn't sent a letter. It is the inequality to men over the years that is the scandal here.
boo hoo .....
@@Andrew-tx9jy
My wife was born in 1953 . Was promised a pension at 60 . Payed full stamp all her life. At 60 was told no now its 63 . At 63 was told no its now 64 and 6 months. She died aged 66 . The government is the big winner.
Very, very sad George. Condolences to you.
Well said the biggest miss carriage of justice ever .
Alongside migration, seeing as that's where this stolen cash will end up going.
The only injustice here is that men were expected to work more years and die earlier before they got their pension, more often than not at more physically demanding work. Me, me me, that's all I'm hearing here though. Stop whinging and welcome to equality, it sucks doesn't it?
Never a money shortage for foreigners.
No 117million for mosque security and a million wasted on a war memorial for that religion. Then there's the 70 million for security of the small hats. 20 million a day for the hotel dwellers. Yeah always money for them.
Thank you for your time and effort on millions of Women's behalf
I was one those women shafted, what an injustice!
The only injustice here is that men were expected to work more years and die earlier before they got their pension, more often than not at more physically demanding work. Me, me me, that's all I'm hearing here though. Stop whinging and welcome to equality, it sucks doesn't it?
Thank you! ❤ Nothing 'equal' about it for us. We had no rights and very low pay.
Correct, women's pay at that time was often about half what men were paid for doing the same job, so one could argue that women retiring at 60 years old provided a little redress of that situation. At that time there was no equal pay and women (especially married women) were very rarely promoted to senior positions, as men were considered 'bread winners' and women's wages considered 'pin money'.
I am a British woman born in the 1950's. Therefore I am a lesser being.
Well done and thank you for keeping this issue to the forefront of public concern.
You Mr Brown are an absolute star for sticking up for us women, thank you sincerely! 👍❤️
Economists say it cost each of us £50,000. I started full-time work at age 15, I worked 6 days a week. I worked all though my pregnancy, and worked from home after I gave birth, worked at weekends and took the baby with me. My generation have a strong work ethic, and I didn't get my pension until I was 66. I became really ill before I received my pension, so ill that I couldn't work and I didn't get any financial help, I even had to take DWP to tribunal.
I hope you won. I started work at 16 in 1974 and have just retired two weeks ago. I got my bus pass on Monday. I find it odd we have to wait to 66 to get them and yet Scotland, Wales, NI and London get them at 60.
Yes I did win the tribunal, the judge was wonderful. I was having an operation a couple of days later, she could see that I wasn't well at all. @@sonofednawelthorpe8609
Agree ,born 1953 .I spent every penny of 50k surviving until I was 66 ,and i can prove it . I know that governments on both sides have ignored the issue and as a result i will never vote again .Having worked for 35 years in public services on low pay ,through and after pregnancy , caring for parents and children ,and living a principled ,hard working life ,I have survived because I am humble and frugal . My retirement is based around being short of resources to do anything with what remains of life . I am disgusted with the DWP and the absence of human values from our governments .
@@sonofednawelthorpe8609I Thankyou for this information. I hadn’t realized others were getting theirs way before we do.😊
WASPI woman here born in 1954. Thank you to this gentleman MP Alan Brown for speaking on our behalf. Too many ladies have died waiting for justice. I'm 70 now, will it be too late for me & many others? 😢
I’m one of those women and I’m living on £874 pounds per month, give us what we’re entitled too.
Yes but when you try to claim for pension credits you get refused but the one's who have done sod all get the lot we don't stand a chance
@@lorraineharris5737 I just got it , hold your breath they are giving me ,a whole £1.25 per week thats what you get for working from the age of 15 to 63.
I thought that the TORY way of looking at women as " second class citizens " was long gone, but evidently not.
I am one of these Women. That get caught out twice when I started work full-time retirement age was 60, and for most of my earlier working years it was 60. I always did a part-time job low pay but I needed care worker in the community and yet they put it up twice we have been so badly treated when I was first married and changed jobs I was offered a woman’s married woman’s stamp which no longer exist, but that was the state of the situation. And now I’ve got to wait to 66 this government should be ashamed of itself. It was not thought out properly.🤔😡😡😡😡😡🤞
Agree !! well said.
I was born in 1962, and the same thing happened to me too, but just past the 1950’s date. I feel that we have been forgotten about in this issue too. One minute I was getting my state pension at 60 and the next the government added another SEVEN YEARS on to it! So now I can’t retire till I’m 67. I already struggle with ill health and my constant worry is how on earth I will be able to work till 67? If any officials read this, please remember us too. Thank you.
Good on you Alan ,my wife is a waspi she is a Royal Navy veteran and we both feel totally let down on this issue. She worked all her life, birthed two sons who have raised families we have never taken a penny from the state.When you see money,houses and much more being handed out, to people who just wander into our country it is totally wrong.
We feel we have been let down badly please keep up your good work . Kind regards
i lost over 40,000 because of the age change, these governments are despicable. The new pension doesn't allow free treatment either it's been devastating, i have had to pay over £600 for dental treatment out of my pension and nearly two years later i am still paying it off. No free glasses or hearing aids. We live well below the poverty line at less than£900 a month it's heartbreaking.
Me too, I have been going through treatment, total cost £1800 and yet if my NHS dentist hadn’t left and not been replaced, it would have been free because I get pension credit. Where do the government think pensioners find the money to pay for dental work? X
@@smh1072 I need to go back because the dentist botched it but suprise suprise he's left got tooth ache again. It's such a horrible mess that's been created by the government. Personally I feel that they just want to get rid of the NHS altogether.
You lost nothing. You gained equality with men. The only injustice here is that men were expected to work more years and die earlier before they got their pension, more often than not at more physically demanding work. Me, me me, that's all I'm hearing here though. Stop whinging and welcome to equality, it sucks doesn't it?
Andrew we would have loved for our husbands and man to have retired at the same age 60, both man and woman worked hard back than. They should have been able to enjoy a long healthy retirement together.
@@Andrew-tx9jy do you even realise that women give birth after 9 months of carrying another human being inside them, do you even know the changes inside the body, women use to stay home and look after the kids that was the culture then. Equality??? R U kidding me. We lost a hell of a lot and still fight for it. Pathetic.
I as a man will never forgive the rise to 67 for me and my older wife has lost 6 years pension so eight years gone from one household disgusting!
Mr Brown I am not an SNP voter but I thank you for this, this injustice crosses party politics and your statement eloquently covered the unfairness and terrible consequences suffered by these women a generation that contributes so much to the country. Absolutely shocking labour has not stepped up and yes the government needs to act now!
Plus, Waspi women ( of which i am one), had 2 pension increases. To bring us up to the same age as men at 65 and then another year added on top.
Yes I am one get mine this year 66 in June
Thank you very much for speaking out. I’m a waspi woman and really could do with the compensation.
Yes i am a waspi woman also, but i dont think we will get anything, its been going on for years sadly.
Yep. It cost me roughly 46.000 from my saving to make up the short fall. Of the state pension I was expecting. I never had a letter. I found out when I rung the pension department to ask them. What happens. Now I’m 60. I was shocked but what could I do. Nothing. I was lucky enough to have saving. And my husband. But some of us had nothing no one. We were treated very very badly.
I was born in 1954, when I was working and raising a family, I had full expectation to retire at 60, however the DWP moved the goalposts and I had to continue working until I was 66. Yes they owe us, it’s diabolical to keep raising the state pension age. We would like a life after work, before we die. Not retire then pop our clogs, because that’s the way it’s going.
Is this why the Government is so keen to remove N.I. altogether? A move to make it difficult or impossible for ppl to query/quote their contributions (having already been changed from the former Graduated Pension, to now being a Benefit) and will not be able to show or discuss their own State Pension rights. No N.I. = no pension??
Labour Government no faith
If this is now a "benefit", why is it taxed?
Others aren't!!!
@@maureenstarr5744 They're not Labour.
Thank you for your backing. Well said
This has been the intention for over 30 hrs. From shareen
Much appreciate your efforts. One of the biggest injustices to women simply being ignored by the ignorant DWP and Conservative Government. I hope a potential MP knocks at my door. Words will be had.
I was born in 1953 I was ready to retire when I was 60 so it was a shock to the system when I was told it had changed to 65. What happen to train younger school leavers your job. So they paying people to be out of work. But keeping the older ones to keep working until they drop.😮
Well said sir 😊
What about the women born in 1960's? Have to wait until they're 67
I am s fifty's women and got mine at 66 !!!!
@@janyb1907depends what year month and day … but don’t worry about anyone else you’ve got yours … my wife had to wait 7 years because born in 1955 disgusting … better off jumping on a dinghy and get everything for nowt
40 year olds are told they will have to wait until they're 70.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542yes but they have time to plan for the change! Being told when you're 59 that the goal posts have been changed was extremely unfair.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542and they too need to be joining the protests
My mum died at the age of 60. She was the last to get her pension at 60. She worked from the age of 60 full time and all her tax and national insurance gone.
I think the pension should also be paid to family members like all other pensions schemes
Thank you for bringing this issue up. We have been forgotten about (I was born in 1962 and have to work another 7 years) by everyone, including the media. None of the parties have brought this issue up. I would like this to be on the agenda for the next election. Labour have been VERY quiet about it. Being born in 1962, I am concerned thst if the WASI’s do get anything, we will be left behind, even though we have had seven years foisted onto us as well. We should be included in the debate about this issue too. I have had SEVEN YEARS added onto my working years without warning too. By the time I retire I will have worked something like 50 years altogether! Half a century! No wonder I’m fit to drop!
When I started work I expected to retire at 60 which was extended to 66. I retired last year and must admit that those 6 years really made a difference. It was a long hard slog from 60 to 66 I also found out that someone I know who only worked part time occasionally is getting the same state pension as me who only took 5 years out of the workforce when I had children.
I'm 66 in June robbed we are disgusting miscarriage of justice come on a bloody rubber boat you get the earth I pay for my dentist glasses they get it free 🤬
I remember getting a letter saying I had achive the value of my pension when I was about 55 I had started work at 15. I was dead chuffed I thought well at least thats all sorted I was getting ready to retire at 60. Then all that was taken way from me not only were they going to get the extra 5 years out of me paying in although I had already got enough for a full pension they were and did get another 6 years out of me. I retired at 66yrs old on full pension. How do I feel SCAMMED.
Thank you sir for speaking up on this more need to be doing so and yes WHERE ARE LABOUR on this???NOWHERE that says it all we are failed by all
They will not even pay the post office people so pensions no chance
With so much money being freely handed out to generously support illegal migrants, and support foreign wars, the least this government should do is compensate all of these women, who live here and have contributed to society. Some are now at the end of their lives, and really shouldn't be living in poverty.
I was born in 1952, I was informed I wasn’t affected ,until I neared retirement, I was then informed by a work colleague that the goal posts had been moved . I then checked the DWP website only to find out I had to wait an extra 3 years and 9 months. I was never informed by DWP that things had changed , and yes I was angry
Yes wernt told no notice was expecting to retire at 60 I was shocked
You were told about it years in advance.
Thank you sir 🙏
I was born in January 1954, and would be really grateful for a chance to pay off my debts and funeral plan.
I was born in 1956. I started working at the age of 15. I worked 40 hrs a week and only stopped when I had my children and went back to work afterwards. I stopped working at age 61 and had to wait 5 years for my pension. I see this as unlawful as money taken from very hard-working ,law-abiding tax paying honest women. We need this money back. After all, we have already paid our dues and worked for it, so why was this money taken from us ? We've already paid the government need to deliver.
You were right to call out Labours position on this, it looks like they will be the next government suggest everyone asks the Labour candidate in their area what they are going to do about it when they start knocking on your doors
If they can pay millions for people who have no right to be here . To put up in hotels they can dam well pay me and others the six years back money we were robbed of. Unlike the grifters living it up at tax payers expense we worked and payed our dues and got shafted for our trouble.
You were not robbed. It was all over the news and you could have phoned the DWP anytime for your retirement date.
Well vote for Reform and see if they help
@@davidadams5116 Tell that to people who had made plans to retire at 60 and had to carry on working because the pension dates were changed with no warning or consultation. So yes we are owed big time.
@@davidadams5116do some research another nasty man try supporting your own for once they've been had end of
Thank you.
Disgusting abuse of women!
Well said that man
Thank you Allan time they paid up I waited six years for my pension when I thought I’d get it at 60 I’m 70 now are they hoping I just die😊
SNP couldve introduced a scottish waspi buffer payment using the 2016 scotland act , scotland only devolved benefits ....but why help when you can use pensioners as greivence weapons
work for 15year paid into this country should have come in on a boat I would have got every think
We just have to keep shouting from the rooftops 😵
Well said! Another point is that the government kept moving the goalposts for waspi women. Initially we were told 63, then 65, then 66, maybe 67! It's the same old frog in a pan of water tactic ..... string the punters along until it's too late to make amends!
Thank god someone is listening, I lost 7 years of my state pension when I asked why I was told it was to make it fair for men! What? What? I divorced my cheating, cruel husband and his company were in the process of promoting him, they did promote him but didn’t put his pay rise in his pay packet until AFTER the divorce and the financial side was completed. They swindled me out of a substantial amount of money. I was/am a nurse (retired) and when his shift hours changed guess who had to work nights so the children would be cared for, me. When my father became very confused because of dementia guess who had to stop work to care for him, me his daughter, not his sons. I didn’t do it to make myself a hero, it just needed doing and when my dads dementia killed my wonderful mum who had heart disease, I had my dad to look after 24/7 I also had a 20 month old baby and an 11 year old son, where were the men then, that I had to loose 7 years pension for? I have a tiny private pension. When I attained the new, previously unheard of pensionable age, there’s no breakdown and mines paid 2/52 why? Am I not grown up enough to handle 4 weeks pension in one go? Why do we just lay down and let politicians take, take, take from us? ❤
Well said that man 👍👍👍
Good for him and thank you for speaking up for us, we need more m.ps to do this..
Well said, sir! .......
Thank you 🙏🏼👏👏👏
We had no rights to company pensions, women weren't allowed to join them for much of my working life and that's just one of the injustices we suffered. Now, at 67, I finally have my reduced state pension and have a miniscule private pension, now the tax threshold is frozen for several years and the government is taking more off us, to give tax cuts to those better off than us😮
I was once told at a bus stop. 'The reason why they keep cutting buses is because there are too many pensioners with free bus passes. Bus company's aren't making a profit', I simply said ". We've all worked and paid our taxes to pay for our bus passes. Students get a discounted bus pass and when they (hopefully) leave and get a job, they too will pay tax. The lady went very quiet and shrunk away after that. If we don't stand up to those who are jealous and bitter, we will always be trodden on
👏👏👏👏👏 thank you .
I've work all my life with disabilities and I'm 62 and born 1962.
What about those who won't work.??
Weird ? We will be calling this " the good old days " once Labour take power.
After all this time, and having paid full N.I. contributions, there are now 2 months remaining until my 66th birthday. Today I’ve been diagnosed with heart trouble. What are the odds of the Government getting my pension now?!!
I was born in the 60S and due to retire at 60 ....this applies to me too ..😢
I can’t believe he has just summed up everything I was saying today to my husband. We had to leave work at 29weeks pregnant and stay at home with the children. No maternity pay. Lost existing jobs. There were no funded nursery hours, men’s wages were always higher, so they were the ones stayed in work. On one wage we were selling personal items to get our children’s birthday and Christmas gifts and to make ends meet. Then go back part time along with friends In same situation so we shared our toddlers between us so we could all get some hours in. Fast forward to being post menopausal, full of ailments and unable to work at age 65 and selling items on eBay to make ends meet having missed out on 5 years worth of pension I’ve worked for and paid NI for from being 15 years old. Too frail to work, nt frail enough to get pip, Oh and another year of feeling completely inadequate till I’m sixty effing six.
I couldn’t work full time because I cared for my parents who reach the great ages of 89 and 92 years consequently I receive a reduced pension.
A reduced pension can be topped up with benefits to equal the full pension. It’s called Pension Credit. It’s unfair when these circumstance are detrimental to you personally - especially when you’ve saved the state and the taxpayer so much money over the alternative of them being in care for many years.
I was born in 61. Started working full time at 16, retirement age, 67. God knows how long my daughter and grandchildren will work for. Its shit.
As someone older than the waspi women my pension is over £100 a month less than my younger peers
Theft actually.
Good man well said
Well said
I was part of this system as was most people i know. Everyone i know knew about this. It would be fairer that women were paid a decent pension. It shouldnt be thst people know get a bigger state pension than those born in the early fifties.
I was born in 1955. Went to check when I would get my pension only to discover I had to work an extra 6 years! Left school at 15 and I am STILL working at 69. They will just roll me from my desk into the box!
I am a WASPI and lost not only my right to retire at 60 years old but my special retirement days with my Husband. Worked from 16-65 years old mental health nursing and caring for adults with learning difficulties. Some days to get my body out early in the morning for 7-56 an hour which is what I was earning for a well known M------p company was hard. When knowing the big boss was getting over 136.000 a year. That was 5 years ago and do I feel bitter. Too right I do....x Had to rely on my husband till I was 66 till I got my pension due to painful arthritis. What a mug.
I am a WASPI and my husband died suddenly,leaving me pennyless ( I had been his fully time carer ,all payment stopped.)
The Tories left me to starve and made me wait until I reached 65.They stole 5 years of my pention.
About the only time I’ve agreed with the snp
Worked extra years for this .. not by choice
How many of today's children will start full time work at 15 or 16? Not many I'll wager. When they get old, how many will spend 5 to 10 years caring for elderly relatives?
You cant have it cos they are filling theirs & their mates pockets
Same problem for me i was born 1961
I lost my home due to this delay and now rent. Young ones beware as nothing is set in stone and your national insurance payments may never be returned to you.
I'm one of these women you speak of to
Lowest pensions in Europe- Considerably lower than Italy, Spain, Germany, and France, all of whom have significantly higher migration rates than us. Not saying I agree with the high immigration agenda, or the imperialist adventurism, trade sanctions and GDP fixation driving it. But to those moaning about migrants taking what should theirs, just consider the context of the hundreds of billions in tax avoidance from to the super rich every year to which HMRC turns a blind eye and which could easily resolve this inequity many many times over, and bear in mind the fact that the rate of inward migration seems to have very little relationship to social provision in the territories of our similarly developed European peers. Truth is that yet again we're getting bent over, because thats what they do. They call it a democracy, but they're not working for you. 😂😂😂😂
Hear Hear !
I didnt kniw tge afe had rise. No communication i had a letter 5 months before 65
Women age bodily faster than men because of child baring and their hormones,my wife is taking over 10 pills a day for various issues yet still has to work and she is 65
I think if they compensate the women born in the 50's for getting their pension late, then they should compensate the men, as I expected my pension at 65 but had to wait a year longer till 66. In this age of equality surely the men should get something too??
Why pension age extremely long? This is insane! After 55 lots of people struggling health problems , this goverment and also other party members are not support working class! If you don't give our pension before 60 , you shouldn't get vote! This is slavery! If you have money for Ukraine war, you should have money for your citizens! Pension age system is against human rights!
Aye, Alan, but what is a woman?
Starmer doesn't know.
Pay in for 50 years no lum sum payment, lose all your benifits such as housing, continue to pay tax and pension is seen as an income not a retirement ? 50 years not enough for this government when dizzy Lizzy did 45 days and automatically got £2600 a week for life whereas i worked 50 years 2 months for £215 a week and this government isn't corrupt 😂
Take the cash from pensioners to pay for them that are fleecing our taxpayers in 5* hotels.
Good luck i lost my frot teeth in a accident just befor lockdown wasn't alled to see the hospital dentist could not get to see the hub dentist and no chance of a privat dentist so ended up with no teeth at the bottom