“A Gap Between Awareness And Understanding” | Waspi Women Could Be Owed Thousands In Compensation
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Thousands of women could receive compensation due to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)'s failure to adequately communicate changes to women’s state pension age, the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO) has said.
Campaigners such as the Women Against State Pension Inequality (WASPI) are pushing for a compensation figure of £10,000.
The ombudsman has asked Parliament to intervene and “act swiftly” to make sure a compensation scheme is established. To date, the DWP has not acknowledged its failings, nor put things right for those affected, the ombudsman said.
Vanessa Feltz speaks with head of pension at Interactive Investor, Becky O’connor, finance writer Frances Coppola and TalkTV political correspondent Alicia Fitzgerald.
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Real justice would be allowing men to retire 5 years earlier than women for just as many decades as it was done in favour of women.
yes women live longer and got part of their husbands pension .The old pension was £47 a week less.
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I'm one of these women. Not only did I have to work extra years for my pension. I started work at 16yrs old. Now I'm told my pension is £2 over the limit for any cost of living payments. I'm furious. Women have been underpaid under appreciated in the workplace for years.
I was born in 1961 I have to wait till I'm 67 , why should the 50's women be treated differently. If they had taken greater notice of news they would have known what was happening , I wasn't sent a letter saying I'm going to have to wait an extra 7 years , bit I read papers , listen to news etc
@@angietoweyShould be the same age as men. If the Tories get in again then it will be raised to 70 then 72.
The retirement age for men was 5 years higher than for women for decades, I notice you weren't furious about that.
Tough, I am a man of a similar age and why should I have to work 5 years longer than you, you are being sexist and discriminatory.
Feminists got the equality they wanted. Stop whining
The 'British' government deems it ok to send billions of pounds scuttling off round the world though!!
I am a male. This issue did not effect me in any way whatsoever. However I was aware of this change in the law.
I do not believe that these women were unaware of it for one moment!
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An increase to 65, phased in between 2010 and 2020, was included in the 1995 Pensions Act, but in 2011 the coalition government sped up the process. As a result, the state pension age for women increased to 65 by November 2018, and then to 66 by October 2020.
I was informed by the DWP I would be retiring at 63 I had no problem with that, but they kept upping it without informing us.
If you pay taxes, then this issue affects you.
@@fairplayer7435 Yes. Point taken.👍
Im confused - do we get personal letters when our income taxes go up!? Sounds like another case of not taking a little bit of personal responsibility.
The government drag their feet when there's nothing it in for them. No one had ever noticed that ? No one ?
Been seeing that for years, your not alone on this one.
The ones I feel sorry for our people under 50 u will never get a state pension, will be ubi at a much lower rate 🙄
So by this logic everyone whose pension age increased from 65-67 is entitled to compensation because they weren't told? I certainly never received a letter, where's my money? This Illogical lunacy cannot be allowed to prevail.
And why don't men who didn't get a pension until over 60 complain about discrimination? Pensions are not a right, they are a gift from the government though never stated as such. They are part of the social contract that when you are working you are paying the pensions of those who have already started receiving one and that when you get to retirement age this will apply to you. However the government have to do what is best for the population as a whole so when lifespans start to increase or the working population reduces they need to keep the books balanced. The biggest problem today is the estimated 500,000 young people who have never worked and are living off handouts and so not contributing to this social contract. WASPI women stating that they were robbed is like saying I never got a christmas present so I was robbed. In 1950 the average UK lifespan was less than 68, it is now nearer 81. When pension ages were set to 60 and 65 it took into account that women were usually married and would outlive their husbands. Times have changed and this has got to be taken into account and the WASPI women are ignoring these hard facts. My pension age was raised when I was working but I have never felt I was owed more because of it. I knew well in advance what was coming for both men and women and have always made sure I was going to be prepared for retirement. I was born in the 50s but never buried my head in the sand.
@@martinconnelly1473 Which is all well and good when subsequent generations are of equal size and equal longevity - but they aren't. We have the baby boomers retiring who have seen a large increase in life expectancy. That additional cost is being shouldered by a shrinking working age population (part of which has been caused by the boomers themselves).
Somebody made a good analogy on another thread. It's like going to a restaurant - but you don't pay for your meal - you pay for the table before.
Boomers turned up to the restaurant and paid for the party of 4 who just had a starter each. The boomers however are a party of 8 and are having a 3 course meal - which will need to be paid for by the party of 4 Generation X and Yers who are on the bus on their way to the restaurant. Fair?
@@eljay5009 I don't think anyone ever said it was fair. White collar workers have always benefitted more than blue collar workers because of different life expectancies, certainly wasn't fair when it was set up but I don't see how it can be made 100% fair when nobody knows how long they will live or how the economy will perform in the future.
@@martinconnelly1473 It was always known that women have longer life expectancy than men though - so this isn't about blue collar vs white collar. Arguably men should have been retiring younger than women (and still should - given average life expectancy is still 4 years shorter for men) - especially since men do the majority of the heavy/dirty work - work that's difficult to sustain into your 60s.
I was born in 57 and the pension retirement increased twice for me - initially from 60 to 65, and then to 66. I only started getting it last year. To compensate properly a miserly £3,000 (tops) simply doesn’t cut it - and knowing this useless government we won’t even get that.
the old pension was £47 a week less and got their husbands pension and live longer .
@@Jack-fs2im ???🤔
If you don't get a decent pension, then that's your fault, no one else's.
Pensioners had a 10.5% rise last year and 7.6% rise this year, so WE could hardly have asked for more.
Many people, unlike me, retired early and are now whinging about their pension. Some people took the lump some they were offered and blew it all. Then now whinge.
Some people, though, had a bit of common sense and are glad they didn't.
Most pensioners are just grateful they are being looked after.
@@alandraper7901 I never said anything about not getting a decent pension. I just said in my case it was pushed back twice. I worked consistently from 16-63 years and took out a private pension as it would be foolish to rely just on the state pension - knowing it could be inadequate or delayed, as indeed the latter was.
Yes, my late wife was born in 1955. Didn't get her pension until she was 66. She was extremely cross about the whole debacle.
Lots of folk have been wronged by government we know that including men pension age increase its disgraceful when folk have paid in and worked all their lives and there's other issues where the government of the day and political parties sit on their arses knowing they haven't done the right thing but let's stop this and start doing what is right and let's begin with these women who were not given their rightful pensions
My pension I started work at 16 plus four years in the RAF because I left in 1973 I dont even get a tiny RAF pension. You dont get a pension unless you left the RAF 1975.
The government has saved billions by raising the retirement age for women.
I never got any information about the changes
I spent x9 years exactly in the RAF from 1975-84. I get a pension as I completed my original engagement. So I’m baffled by your comment.
How do those at foodbanks male or female pay that amount into a private pension? Renember many are in work and still unable to afford the rises in living costs.
They haven't 'suffered' any losses, it was money they were never entitled to as their male counterparts weren't getting it. It's called EQUALITY.
A matter affecting middle aged women being discussed by women. I wonder if the same event happened to men would all of the discussion group be men or would the organisers ensure a women member of the panel to give a womans point of view
so much for equality. they shouldn’t get a penny
I understand why WASPIs are upset, but the government has pushed back pension age (and rightly, given demographic trends) for all groups, not just WASPIs. I agree that it should have been a stepped change and better communicated, but they need to get over it. Most workers today won't recieve state pension until they're 68 and that will inevitably move up in the future too.
It was a stepped change based on age.
I dont remember any leaflets or tv or press telling us the pension age was going up 😮
Ladies first.
Now it's time for the men.
Does the government remember the word HOUSE WIFE
Don’t bother we ain’t getting anything
I think they’ll eventually pay something, but they’re waiting for most of us to die off🤔
waspi women don't deserve anything. They got away with being paid out 5 extra years with less contributions for decades compared to men. It is men who deserve the compensation historically.
Hope so you got husbands pension and live linger.Pension equality for men is needed
@@Jack-fs2im Not if you’re divorced you don’t, let’s turn this around would you just sit down and not say anything if the mens was increased at the same time?
Compensation plus interest as the HMRC would charge if we owed money to them.
Why should people work longer just to pay taxes to pay the lazy sods on benefits I retired at 67 but that was my choice but I wish I didn’t but I hope all of ladies get what oh are entitled to including my wife who now is surfing ill health
i am thinking about retiring and I have no idea financially what this means - it must be the governments fault - from 1948 until 2010 the State Pension age was 60 for women and 65 for men with women consistently having longer life spans i.e. contributed less and paid out more, yet this report states women need to be compensated because they have gained parity (equality) with men; i must be missing something.
I was born in 1951. If I self identify as a woman can i have an extra 5 years of pension please???
Good point. But you can’t claim that retrospectively. Nice try though!
No because that equality isn't allowed, only equality that benefits women is allowed apparently.
If you can provide proof that you put the same hours as women put into looking after men and the children when she comes home from work you maybe onto something.
We also loved weekends filled with cleaning washing and ironing making Sunday lunch whilst hubby’s at the pub. I earned an earlier retirement mate.
@@Andrew-tx9jy Really??? Oh please!
You have conveniently chosen to overlook the fact that grown men who now identify as women, are permitted to compete in women’s sports. A massive advantage (for these men) - and why some are excelling where they previously failed spectacularly when pitched against other testosterone filled men. How is that equality and slanted in favour of women? You are taking nonsense.
@@cgat1955 Bogus !
My feeling is the increase in age should have been phased in. Not just bulldozed through in one year. I had to wait an extra 6 years. During my working life from the age of 15, I did not receive the same pay as men for doing the same job. Young people just don't understand that. You had to leave your work when you got pregnant, no such thing as maternity leave. It was mainly women who gave up work and chances for promotion etc. In my opinion women lost out on a lot of money or had to work on 6 more years often with deteriorating health and it was to do with saving money NOT to keep up a workforce. It stopped young people getting the jobs women had to stay in. We are at the bottom of the pile as can be seen by some of the comments on here.
If you were paid less money than men for doing the same job, then the employer you worked for broke the law and must be sued.
It was *not* 'bulldozed through in one year'. It was announced in *1995* and (even after accelerated) was phased in over 8 years from 2010 to 2018. So there was 15 years notice for those who were expected to work one extra year. Those who would be expected to work until age 65 actually had *23 years notice.*
@@dominicbuckley8309 An increase to 65, phased in between 2010 and 2020, was included in the 1995 Pensions Act, but in 2011 the coalition government sped up the process. As a result, the state pension age for women increased to 65 by November 2018, and then to 66 by October 2020.
@@fairplayer7435I'm afraid things were very different in the 50s/60s/70s Your statement would hold no ground in those times. Women were paid much less than men for the same work and also tended to do poorly paid work because there was no child care so worked for pin money around them if they worked at all out of the home. Life was very different, educational opportunities were very different for average women. Men didn't want to their wives to work and employers expected them to leave work when they became pregnant as did their husbands and society. Women were not expected to have careers and most did not have the opportunity which has put many into poverty in their later years. People don't understand how life was for these women, working class women mostly, and the limited lives they had which has affected them adversely in later life.
@@susanfletcher8960 I understand your POV. So even important laws like the Equal Pay of 1970 in the UK did little to nothing to improve the situation? In any event, this is why IMO, individual action often achieves more outcomes than political movements. Best wishes to you.
Looking forward to seeing your campaign for all of the men, who for decades were working up to the age of 65 whilst the women were being given a pension at 60.
Yep - even now with the equalised pension age - the average women will still draw about 4 years more state pension than the average man due to the difference in life expectancy.
Men should arguably get higher state pension or should get it 4 years earlier to compensate for this.
This is a vexacious claim. I worked for the DWP for over 40 years. It was announced in 1995 and very widely publicised. The claim they didn't know about it is dubious to say the least. How is it unfair exactly? Equality means just that. You cannot expect to retire 5 years earlier or be compensated for something you never had entitlement to. Compensation culture gone mad.
Exactly. Nothing at all was stolen, it was never theirs. EVERYONE pays into the state pension pot including all the men who had to work 5 years longer than women before they got their money and quite often die much sooner - THEY are the people who should get money if anyone but if this spurious claim is met THEY are the ones whose taxes will rise to pay for it. Disgusting!
Vanessa's argument at the end regarding the pension contribution gap women have during maternity leave is a little disingenuous.
Firstly if you are married when you have a child and on maternity, your employer still contributes to the same level they were before you went on leave and if he can afford it your husband can also contribute to a personal pension you have.
Lastly men only have 2 weeks paternity leave, it would be discriminatory to say that a man could not contribute to his pension until the wife or mother of his children went back to work, which I think was the point she was attempting to make.
A real solution would be one where both men could get adequate leave to bond with their child and also where women are not impacted negatively for starting a family.
Shouldn't be paid anything. Men have always had to work to 65 and now longer and at last it is the same for women. What a madness, this isn't now a scandal and is nothing like what happened to postmasters and postmistresses. The law was changed in 1995 but didn't come in place until 2010 and while the full 5 years was sped up to only 2018. It was shown widely from early on in 1995. We are talking 15 to 23 years of knowledge. What did they have to do? Well work the extra 1-5 years and couldn't retire when they wanted. What a load of whinging over nothing.
I find it amusing that men like yourself always seem to have something to say when women’s rights are being violated as in this particular instance!
You have written about the post office 🏤 scandal and how men have been expected to work until the age of 65 in this country!
It’s a great pity that you even tolerated the retirement age but then again football ⚽️ is the most popular subject men seem to be involved with other than their own wellbeing!
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I didn’t get my pension until I was 66, I’m 69 and still working as a carer because I can’t afford to live on my pension.
@@christinejones826 Yes - just like women stay silent when men's rights are violated. You demanded equality - there you go, you are now equal to a man - sucks doesn't it.
With Labour and Conservative parties it would be worth them listening to Waspi as they will have a big say who will be voting for the next goverment to be voted in will have a big say who governs this country next ??????
WOMEN LIVE LONGER AND GET THEIR HUSBANDS PENSION.THE OLD PENSION IS £47 A WEEK LESS .
Yes the old pension is much less again we have been discriminated against
Men are the ones who are discriminated against when it comes to state pension - always have been and still are. Even with the equalisation of state pension age - the average woman will stiull draw around 4 years more state pension than the average man.
They're owed squat and they know it.
Didn’t that give them a extra 5 years to prepare for retirement 🙄
The problem was they didn’t inform anyone so how would they know.
@@cgat1955
It was broadcast loud and clear in 1995, 2010.
@@trytellingthetruth.2068 Where was it broadcasted?
@cgat1955 TV, radio and gov website.
@@AT-ytinvasive Unfortunately not everyone watches tv or listens to radio.
I did receive a letter from the DWP 15 years after the original law was passed informing me that the pension age would be rising In stages, I calculated that I could retire at 63. Then it changed again and I wasn’t informed that I couldn’t retire until I was 66.
An increase to 65, phased in between 2010 and 2020, was included in the 1995 Pensions Act, but in 2011 the coalition government sped up the process. As a result, the state pension age for women increased to 65 by November 2018, and then to 66 by October 2020.
PENSION PLEA
We are the women born in the 50’s,
Who will not falter in our fight.
The government postponed our pension.
This isn’t fair. It isn’t right.
We contributed to this Nation,
Our workforce made this county great.
We don’t deserve to be singled out
Told our pensions have to wait.
We enriched the UK’s economy,
As teachers, nurses, mother and wife.
Now a random birth date lottery
Gives us an impoverished life.
We did as the government bade us,
Made sacrifices and paid our due.
Now is the time to repay that debt,
We did our bit. Now its up to you.
Trudy Howson LGBT Poet Laureate
We are the Men worked 5 years longer,
We are the Men who paid in 5 years longer,
We are the Men who did the more arduous work,
We are the Men who died far earlier and collected less pension because of this,
We are the Men who did far more than their bit,
We are the men who will not stop in our fight against spurious claims like this, because we are the idiots who will be taxed to pay for it if it goes through.
Arthur Chadwick - Centre half, Portsmouth.
What happened to the 6 years worth of money that was saved, would have been more fair for women in the 70s they would have more chance to allow for it, what's the betting these 3 are getting to retire at 50
The country has been running a budget deficit for years.
Just yet more free money grifters. The U.K. excels in one thing. Money grifters looking for a free lunch
Were those who were unaware living under rocks on Pluto …?
That's what you tell the lawyer trying to get money anyways.
Equal rights and equal pay for women. Its what they asked for and what they have got.
They will even get a lot more in their pension pot working the same number of years as men.
And will draw it for about 4 years longer (on average).
@eljay5009 Quite right, too.
To all those daft men complaining, but you always expected to retire at 65 not have 65 rushed on you with little or no warning.
Don't waste your time
Their resentment is so extreme.
In reality they don't support pensions for women at all.
Yes and when it went up to 66 one year extra , not 6
@@carolinadavies5589 Agreed, it just keeps going up just like that 🤷🏼♀️
It was always wrong that men had to work five years more than women before getting their state pension. Plus there were years of warnings about equality finally coming in ….
Rushed on you. You had years of notice, unless you lived on Mars of course. This is nothing more than a bandwagon for free cash if you can get it.
Excellent, reparations for women, how surprising 😁
Entitled boomers strike again!
Boo hoo. Welcome to equality.
No one is questioning equality.. its how it was done, so whilst on equality do females and males get paid the same for the same job...no they don't!! Nice one trigger!
Yes they do. And women get treated fairer and better than men. There wouldnt be an argument if women were still stuck in the kitchen again?@@rmenfrance7065
If men’s pensions had a 5 year hike before they could receive it, don’t you think they’d have something to say about it?
@@josimpson7999 Great point.
@@rmenfrance7065
Wow another one who believes the lies! If I was an employer and could pay women less than men, no man would ever get a job. Too many WASPI women are liars and grifters.
What about the millions of men that were affected by the pension changes? Shouldn't they be entitled to money if you women are? After all. It has affected men more so than women.
What about the millions of men who recieved more pay for the same work as women for decades?
You over entitled white males and your pathetic what aboutism's. What about thefact you've been be paid more than women all your live. Grow up.
@@yvonnemccalla7282
That myth will never die will it? I’m amazed that so many men are able to find work when employers can pay women less. Oh hang on, they can’t.