@@erikmagnusson2924 It's Ghostly strike and between the eyes in one macro. Ghostly strike is off GCD so you can have them together and it will press them both at the same time. I have two different binds for BTE because sometimes I don't want to use ghostly strikes on the target I'm hitting.
Really apprciate these kinds of videos! The way you articulated your decisions and how they tied into the adrenaline rush low-downtime playstyle was invaluable for me. I've followed and will be keeping a keen eye out for more break down videos. I'm hoping to see some best comps for outlaw, worst comps to vs, forcing win conditions, arena vod commentaries, etc.
@RyrogWoW extremely! This was nice and to the point. Loved the sections you have a great way of explaining talents etc. I am a bit sad that I play Dark Iron dwarf, when shadowmeld have so many benefits for rogue, but that's my own fault 😅
Could you explain the playstyle and win condition a little bit? Like what are your goals as outlaw? Do goes and buff your teammates while you lock down someone? Do sustained damage and play defensively until you just win from pressure? Etc
In my next video I will try to go over these things. But to summarize shortly, outlaw is offensive and high APM. Prioritize high uptime to maintain buffs and cc healer as much as you can without ruining DRs.
16:33 So - when should we reroll? it matters a lot it seems since outlaw depends so much more on luck than most other classes…There are a lot of RTB weakauras for pve but none (to my knowledge) for pvp specific scenarios…is it smart to just use and adapt the pve ones?
@@XscytDon’t worry about the buffs you have. People use weak auras for both PvE and PvP that tells you if your roll is bad, ok, or good. These weak auras are unnecessary in my opinion because it’s just clutter on the screen. Recognizing when to re-roll is as simple as: Your roll is about to expire, you want to give your teammates haste, or you only have one active buff.
@@RyrogWoW alright, thanks...I still need some reminders atm but I keep them as anti-clutter as possible. My UI is pretty clean now but these small things help..I make most of my WAs myself as simple as possible
@@Xscyt I've heard it's a minimal dps increase. About .005%. So I don't really bother getting it. The build I use doesn't really need the extra energy you would potentially get from fatal flourish anyways.
In a duel situation... I found it hard in between my opener and the next stun go..im getting shredded vs pretty much every other class toe to toe.. and i need to do finishers to reduce my cds at the same time. Im not sure what i should do
@@MrJeden in a duel you shouldn’t be going toe to toe versus other classes. Duels play out a lot differently than you would think. As a rogue you basically sit in stealth until you have your cooldowns back. It’s not a very fun play style and feels cheap but it’s how you need to play it to win.
I usually try to reroll when I have about 5-10 seconds left on the buffs. When you reroll at this duration your next roll lasts about 38 seconds which is longer the original roll is (30 seconds). If you have good buffs keep them as long as possible. Try not to reroll just for the haste bonus if you have good buffs.
@@m3hy337 Hi! Yes, you’re right. There was some stuff I didn’t mention. I mostly talked about the damage abilities. I can upload a shuffle game and talk more about what buttons I’m pressing and how I’m opening. Rolling in stealth is good to do before you open up for sure. Ideally you’ll want to do that before you open to get maximum value out of those rolls.
I'm torn between the different rogue specs. Outlaw is definitely very fun (grappling hook :D), but the damage feels low. you were hardly maintaining 1mil dps, while sub burst on that dummy goes up to 2mil and maintains easily at 1.5. That's a crazy difference. And mine is probably much lower because I'm far from mastering the spec.
@@Kijubei buy a piece of gear from the conquest vendor: helm, shoulder, chest, or gloves. Go to the catalyst converter in Dornogal and convert it to a tier piece. It will scale up to 639 Ilvl just like all other PvP items
@@RyrogWoW Thanks for answering... that is a big bummer. I didn't play the last addons and didn't know this and have used up my catalyst tokens to get high level pve set pieces... lol So that means this season is kinda over for me, yea?
No, there will be more charges of the catalyst coming up in the future I believe. But if you’ve used everything for PVE upgrades on one character and you really want to try outlaw in PvP, I wouldn’t hurt to make another rogue if you have the time.
Thanks for the guide! One question I have is about ambush vs sinister strike. Is it always better to ambush whenever it's up and we don't have any pistol proc? Also another question, are we aiming for at least 6 combo points before spending it on a BtE or dispatch? There's situations where my pistol proc takes me to 6 combo points and I'm never sure if I should do an extra ambush to get to max combo points for the finisher.
Generally you'll always want to use your fan the hammer procs as they come up to fill your combo points. If it only gives you 5 combo points don't worry about using another global to get more combo points. You can just use BTE in that scenario. Your ambush and sinister strike extra hits are what is giving you the pistol shot procs. If you have just used your pistol shot proc, you will have access to ambush which should be used as soon as possible. I hope that answers your question.
Sorry, I'm a noob about that, but I don't understand how you can have the K'areshi Phantom set with the Item level in arena up to 639 ? And btw how can I get the set pls ? Thx for your content its very helpful !
oh, I know why. It has nothing to do with the macro. It has to do with fatebound coins. When you use adrenaline rush it will flip both sides of the coin. If you are near someone while in stealth, adrenaline rush will deal damage to the nearby player and break you out of stealth. So avoid using it near other players while you’re in stealth. But I would also suggest making separate binds for both abilities. There are times when you may not want to re roll your buffs and just use adrenaline rush by itself.
@@RyrogWoWhey bro, fellow outlaw here. I’ve been using this AR macro for a few weeks now and it seems to be serving me well. Helps not having to worry about de-targeting while in stealth. /cleartarget [stealth,nocombat] /use [stealth,nocombat][nostealth]Adrenaline Rush /targetlasttarget [stealth,nocombat] Out of stealth it functions just like regular AR, but in stealth and out of combat it will clear target for the split second you use AR so the coin proc won’t pop you. Hope this helps!
@RyrogWoW its so weird that Blizzard still dont removed all racials.. theres a reason 99% rogues play NE.. almost every class is superior on alliance side.. i think its so dumb
ahhh one more question can i run with my sub rogues full mastery gears? i dont have that time and gold to craft and get gears again, im just lazy ass awanna try some outlaw maybe its funn but i cant spam BTE same as u and my top1 damage is my Mastery mele damage lol :DD
@@m3hy337 you can use mastery gear but your top damage will always be main gauche. When conquest is uncapped you should be able to get the gear you need easily. Mastery isn’t going to be as much damage in the long run but you can still utilize the outlaw kit effectively!
Depends on how well you understand both specs. The main difference is Outlaw is higher APM which means you'll be doing more overall. In my opinion, outlaw is more difficult than the other specs. But you'll find varying opinions from other rogue players.
There are 3 reasons to use killing spree. It's all situational. It's a great defensive, offensive, and utility based spell. Defensively, if you are about to take big damage, use it to delay the damage you take (Ele shaman pressing ascendance). Offensively, use it when you can get cleave value out of it with blade flurry. Utility, you can use it to get out of roots. If you're using it to get out of a root don't worry about how many combo points you're spending. Never use it when you have subterfuge up.
@@MrJeden No, you can use it offensively to try and kill your target too but you are likely to get cc'd out of the killing spree anyways if you're playing against good players.
Overall yes, outlaw enables your team to perform well while assa only provides damage and spread pressure. Assa is an easy target to kill and outlaw is a bit more tanky due to CDR on evasion and more frequent vanishes.
Thistle tea doesn't make sense to me. I know some people play the talent. With the build I'm playing there is no energy issues and the mastery you get from it doesn't add much in terms of damage because the mastery is proc based and the buff doesn't last that long.
@@zoorendous7244 You can drop it for something else if you never get targeted. It's a great defensive buff to have but not completely necessary if you know you aren't the target.
15%crit 44% mastery 26%versa it's my stat on my outlaws and i deal CRAZY damage and pistol shot/coin/left hand are my top damage and u can add weak aura roll the bones scenario who works GREAT
@RyrogWoW Nope, and has consistently not for over a year. The first cast will if you're lucky, but once refreshed or overwritten it breaks. Test or Google it idk what to tell you
Can't do that with outlaw because the rotation is situational and somewhat RNG. Sub can get away with it because it doesn't have rng with combo points.
UPDATE: After some more testing, I've replaced Greenskin's Wicker with Count the Odds. Overall it will be a dps increase.
Whats your bte macro?
@@erikmagnusson2924 It's Ghostly strike and between the eyes in one macro. Ghostly strike is off GCD so you can have them together and it will press them both at the same time. I have two different binds for BTE because sometimes I don't want to use ghostly strikes on the target I'm hitting.
This is the most helpful outlaw pvp guide right now. You explain ecerything in great detail. Appreciate it!
Really apprciate these kinds of videos! The way you articulated your decisions and how they tied into the adrenaline rush low-downtime playstyle was invaluable for me. I've followed and will be keeping a keen eye out for more break down videos. I'm hoping to see some best comps for outlaw, worst comps to vs, forcing win conditions, arena vod commentaries, etc.
Awesome mate, thank you! I have been waiting for a TWW Outlaw Rogue guide all season! Great guide. Keep them up
Finally! Been looking for this for weeks 😀
Thanks for a great guide to outlaw.
Doesn't seem to be a lot of guides out there atm
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
@RyrogWoW extremely! This was nice and to the point. Loved the sections you have a great way of explaining talents etc.
I am a bit sad that I play Dark Iron dwarf, when shadowmeld have so many benefits for rogue, but that's my own fault 😅
i LOVE when new pro players comes out! amazing vid ✌🏻
Awesome guide. Thank you!
I played against you the other day, glad to see you're making videos.
Awesome! GGs :D
Thanks for this cool video 😁, all that’s left to do is advertise it
Loved the vid, keep content comming❤️ I’ll lvl my rogue again
Thank you! Got a new video coming soon!
Nice guide man thank you!
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Could you explain the playstyle and win condition a little bit? Like what are your goals as outlaw? Do goes and buff your teammates while you lock down someone? Do sustained damage and play defensively until you just win from pressure? Etc
In my next video I will try to go over these things. But to summarize shortly, outlaw is offensive and high APM. Prioritize high uptime to maintain buffs and cc healer as much as you can without ruining DRs.
hey also ry, what transmog armour are you using in this video? mainly interested in the bottom robe pants
@@wo.k it’s a set from the shadowlands expansion. You get it from reaching 60 renown with the Kyrian Covenant.
@@RyrogWoW thanks for the fast replies homie. hope you are well, happy holidays
*edit* been pulling of the quick caps bc of you :P
HI could you do a CC guide only new to rogue
@@r6ino435 I can definitely do that in the future for sure!
16:33 So - when should we reroll? it matters a lot it seems since outlaw depends so much more on luck than most other classes…There are a lot of RTB weakauras for pve but none (to my knowledge) for pvp specific scenarios…is it smart to just use and adapt the pve ones?
@@XscytDon’t worry about the buffs you have. People use weak auras for both PvE and PvP that tells you if your roll is bad, ok, or good. These weak auras are unnecessary in my opinion because it’s just clutter on the screen. Recognizing when to re-roll is as simple as: Your roll is about to expire, you want to give your teammates haste, or you only have one active buff.
@@RyrogWoW alright, thanks...I still need some reminders atm but I keep them as anti-clutter as possible. My UI is pretty clean now but these small things help..I make most of my WAs myself as simple as possible
oh and btw: Why don't you use a dagger in the offhand? Fatal flourish is better this way right? Or is it style only :D?
@@Xscyt I've heard it's a minimal dps increase. About .005%. So I don't really bother getting it. The build I use doesn't really need the extra energy you would potentially get from fatal flourish anyways.
In a duel situation... I found it hard in between my opener and the next stun go..im getting shredded vs pretty much every other class toe to toe.. and i need to do finishers to reduce my cds at the same time. Im not sure what i should do
@@MrJeden in a duel you shouldn’t be going toe to toe versus other classes. Duels play out a lot differently than you would think. As a rogue you basically sit in stealth until you have your cooldowns back. It’s not a very fun play style and feels cheap but it’s how you need to play it to win.
Nice vid! Do you reroll ok cooldown for the haste or just keep decent buffs?
I usually try to reroll when I have about 5-10 seconds left on the buffs. When you reroll at this duration your next roll lasts about 38 seconds which is longer the original roll is (30 seconds). If you have good buffs keep them as long as possible. Try not to reroll just for the haste bonus if you have good buffs.
How did you find what binds were most comfortable for you im having trouble trying to decide what to bind where.
Just by playing for a long time. You get used to it after a while. It's just trial and error. If it feels too uncomfortable then don't use that bind.
@@RyrogWoW yeah my problem is just I dont know what should be put on my main binds and what should be put on my shift binds type thing.
you open with BTE and not Cheap Shot?
@@dukkhamanavar9857 that was for damage rotation purposes. I have a different video that goes over what I do in opener.
all was awesome
@@m3hy337 Hi! Yes, you’re right. There was some stuff I didn’t mention. I mostly talked about the damage abilities. I can upload a shuffle game and talk more about what buttons I’m pressing and how I’m opening.
Rolling in stealth is good to do before you open up for sure. Ideally you’ll want to do that before you open to get maximum value out of those rolls.
I'm torn between the different rogue specs. Outlaw is definitely very fun (grappling hook :D), but the damage feels low. you were hardly maintaining 1mil dps, while sub burst on that dummy goes up to 2mil and maintains easily at 1.5. That's a crazy difference. And mine is probably much lower because I'm far from mastering the spec.
How do you get your sinister strike buttons to turn into ambush when that's available??
@@thefreindlywolf it should automatically do it if you’re talented into “Audacity” in the outlaw tree.
Wowowowow, hold up! How come your PvE Tier set bonus gear scales up to 639 in PvP? How can you do this?
@@Kijubei buy a piece of gear from the conquest vendor: helm, shoulder, chest, or gloves. Go to the catalyst converter in Dornogal and convert it to a tier piece. It will scale up to 639 Ilvl just like all other PvP items
@@RyrogWoW Thanks for answering... that is a big bummer. I didn't play the last addons and didn't know this and have used up my catalyst tokens to get high level pve set pieces... lol
So that means this season is kinda over for me, yea?
No, there will be more charges of the catalyst coming up in the future I believe. But if you’ve used everything for PVE upgrades on one character and you really want to try outlaw in PvP, I wouldn’t hurt to make another rogue if you have the time.
Hello, why does your bladeflurry not break stealth but mine does?
I'm pressing it before I go into stealth. So blade flurry --> adrenaline rush --> stealth --> roll the bones
Do you feel the difference in that 0.2 seconds less? Is that 15% ?
Yes, you will feel the global difference with the more haste you have.
Thanks for the guide! One question I have is about ambush vs sinister strike. Is it always better to ambush whenever it's up and we don't have any pistol proc?
Also another question, are we aiming for at least 6 combo points before spending it on a BtE or dispatch? There's situations where my pistol proc takes me to 6 combo points and I'm never sure if I should do an extra ambush to get to max combo points for the finisher.
Generally you'll always want to use your fan the hammer procs as they come up to fill your combo points. If it only gives you 5 combo points don't worry about using another global to get more combo points. You can just use BTE in that scenario.
Your ambush and sinister strike extra hits are what is giving you the pistol shot procs. If you have just used your pistol shot proc, you will have access to ambush which should be used as soon as possible. I hope that answers your question.
Sorry, I'm a noob about that, but I don't understand how you can have the K'areshi Phantom set with the Item level in arena up to 639 ? And btw how can I get the set pls ? Thx for your content its very helpful !
If you use the Catalyst in Dornogal you can change a piece of PvP gear to tier. All conquest PvP gear scales to 639 ilvl
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Do you have a discord or stream?
@@TheQQWIN I currently don’t stream. I might in the future. My twitch is Ryrog1
I have a adreline rush and roll the bones macro. But sometimes my stealth breaks when I press the macro. Any idea why that happens? It's very annoying
Hard to say without know what the macro has in it. If you post it, I might be able to fix it.
@@RyrogWoW /cast adrenaline rush
/cast roll the bones
That's it
oh, I know why. It has nothing to do with the macro. It has to do with fatebound coins. When you use adrenaline rush it will flip both sides of the coin. If you are near someone while in stealth, adrenaline rush will deal damage to the nearby player and break you out of stealth. So avoid using it near other players while you’re in stealth. But I would also suggest making separate binds for both abilities. There are times when you may not want to re roll your buffs and just use adrenaline rush by itself.
@@RyrogWoW thanks
@@RyrogWoWhey bro, fellow outlaw here. I’ve been using this AR macro for a few weeks now and it seems to be serving me well. Helps not having to worry about de-targeting while in stealth. /cleartarget [stealth,nocombat] /use [stealth,nocombat][nostealth]Adrenaline Rush /targetlasttarget [stealth,nocombat]
Out of stealth it functions just like regular AR, but in stealth and out of combat it will clear target for the split second you use AR so the coin proc won’t pop you.
Hope this helps!
Top races on horde side PvP outlaw?
@@MrJeden orc for the stun reduction racial. Im not sure if there are any other good races on horde side
@RyrogWoW its so weird that Blizzard still dont removed all racials.. theres a reason 99% rogues play NE.. almost every class is superior on alliance side.. i think its so dumb
ahhh one more question
can i run with my sub rogues full mastery gears? i dont have that time and gold to craft and get gears again, im just lazy ass awanna try some outlaw maybe its funn but i cant spam BTE same as u and my top1 damage is my Mastery mele damage lol :DD
@@m3hy337 you can use mastery gear but your top damage will always be main gauche. When conquest is uncapped you should be able to get the gear you need easily. Mastery isn’t going to be as much damage in the long run but you can still utilize the outlaw kit effectively!
@@RyrogWoW tnnnnnx a millllllllion
Made my sub Rouge yesterday and fully geared it already but I bought dagger for offhand.. why you have 2x2,6 wep?
@@TooSickForYa just personal preference. It’s not a huge difference in your dps if you don’t have dagger offhand
Hi! Is outlaw easier than sub?
Depends on how well you understand both specs. The main difference is Outlaw is higher APM which means you'll be doing more overall. In my opinion, outlaw is more difficult than the other specs. But you'll find varying opinions from other rogue players.
When do you usually use Killing spree?
There are 3 reasons to use killing spree. It's all situational. It's a great defensive, offensive, and utility based spell. Defensively, if you are about to take big damage, use it to delay the damage you take (Ele shaman pressing ascendance). Offensively, use it when you can get cleave value out of it with blade flurry. Utility, you can use it to get out of roots. If you're using it to get out of a root don't worry about how many combo points you're spending. Never use it when you have subterfuge up.
@@RyrogWoWOh so its never gonna be used in purely single target dps ? Better to way for defensive cd or get closer to him?
@@MrJeden No, you can use it offensively to try and kill your target too but you are likely to get cc'd out of the killing spree anyways if you're playing against good players.
@@RyrogWoW ty m8
Do you feel outlaw is stronger than Assa in arena right now?
Overall yes, outlaw enables your team to perform well while assa only provides damage and spread pressure. Assa is an easy target to kill and outlaw is a bit more tanky due to CDR on evasion and more frequent vanishes.
would it not be better to play thistle tea over leathality?
Thistle tea doesn't make sense to me. I know some people play the talent. With the build I'm playing there is no energy issues and the mastery you get from it doesn't add much in terms of damage because the mastery is proc based and the buff doesn't last that long.
@@RyrogWoW also one more question but ive noticed many outlaws no longer taking combat stamina isnt that a huge buff why are we not taking it anymore?
@@zoorendous7244 You can drop it for something else if you never get targeted. It's a great defensive buff to have but not completely necessary if you know you aren't the target.
15%crit 44% mastery 26%versa it's my stat on my outlaws and i deal CRAZY damage and pistol shot/coin/left hand are my top damage and u can add weak aura roll the bones scenario who works GREAT
what off hand do you use? Dagger?
There is a Trickster top 1 😱😱😱😱
Who? All outlaw rogues in both regions are playing Fatebound.
Please dont recommend taking recuperator, its bugged and doesnt proc heal from automatic SnD. And only the first manual cast of SnD
This is incorrect. It does work properly.
@RyrogWoW Nope, and has consistently not for over a year. The first cast will if you're lucky, but once refreshed or overwritten it breaks. Test or Google it idk what to tell you
I’ve tested it and it works just fine.
@@RyrogWoW In that case, by all means play it. I'd encourage people watching this to do the same, or do a simple google search.
need a oneclick macro with this rotation
Can't do that with outlaw because the rotation is situational and somewhat RNG. Sub can get away with it because it doesn't have rng with combo points.