@@circusbrains If somebody can improve on the existing methods of doing something with greater efficiency while not breaking formal rules, it doesn’t mean they are cheating.
@@Nimmermaer Just like the guy on the video, you gave yourself away. None of you did anything tougher than a gym routine, not to mention military service. "Thinking he risked serious injury to his sspiiiine!", give me a fracking break, "crystal generation" for a reason, never a name's been deserved better.
I am not saying your are wrong... But the gymnasts fall onto very padded and air filled mats that are specifically designed to decrease acceleration, before stopping them. Long jumpers are running 20+ miles per hour and land in sand. If I was going to fall headfirst into either of those, Id choose the mat.
@@finkelmana well I wouldn't call it very padded, bet yeah, they have some mat there. Everyone got mat. Could just give one to long jumper too. They give one to high jumpers after they started jumping head first
@@cbellasbusta4643 Sand is not as soft as you imagine, it`s just the way it isn`t a cohesive and solid object why it works for long jumping. If you land in a mostly vertical angle for whatever reason sand can get incredibly hard. Anyway it is a really lame excuse there are so many olympic disciplines which are way more dangerous.
Often the rules are also very strict because the officials want to keep the aesthetics of the sport the same. In the end it doesn't matter much for the front flip guy because as soon as the darkies would learn to front flip they'd start winning again
The danger is in kids copying it. Was a good decision. Kids high diving is dangerous, but not nearly as much as pools have life guards and kids learn high diving from coaches and starting at lower levels.
He didn't stuff his body with drugs to bridge the gap ! He employed a brand new technique ! Seriously , there should be statues of this guy in New Zealand !!
Banning that method almost certainly would have cost him medals ! Big medals at that ! I think it's quite astonishing what he did ! All New Zealanders should be very , very proud of him !!
It won't have made a difference. If it wasn't banned, all other competitors would also have adopted the technique - like the Fosbury Flop in High Jump as mentioned in the video, and the "V" skis in the ski jump. In the end, the better Athletes would still have ended up where they would be normally anyway, since technique can be learned, but natural athleticism can't.
I am with you. But when it becomes the norm it is the boring normal again. 😮💨 Better to have some outliners to perform it so everything stays interesting.
In approximately 1966, myself and my schoolmates at Ft Casper school in Casper Wy, USA witnessed one Mike Ingram win the long jump competition at the age of approximately 12 years old with a forward flip.
This dude is an oldhead, I trust his story implicitly based off that info alone lol. Dude is at the age where he has 0 reason at all logical or emotional to lie online about small shit.
@@RichsOnlineRSO Thanks! For some reason, that particular elementary school had some phenomenal athletes. As a child I didn’t realize how extraordinary some of our kids were until I moved to a city with no real track and field program.
Imagine the ancient Greeks and Spartans banning a dangerous technique. I mean, gynamistics routines are way more dangerous in general. This is basically the long jump old boy's club stopping innovation.
The idea that a flip long jump is too dangerous is hilarious. Have the seen the gymnastics or any number if insanely risky winter sports? Ski jumping? Hello?
It just shows that the Olympic Committee has always been about controlling the rules to what suits their purposes rather than actively encouraging people to find ways to excel. What next, Americas Cup boats can't use foils because they might get too fast and someone might fall out or "this is how we've always done it?" As a kid I used to look up to the Olympics as something to aspire to compete at ... call my cynical but as I get older, it seems that pretty much everything in life ends up becoming tainted towards money and power to suit individual egos ...
@@justanothernoobeyup, you absolutely 100% right, and I believe it’s even way worse than this, you barely scratched the surface. Remember “Samaranch”, the old IOC….the most corrupt organisation on planet earth…..They fly around the world on first class, staying at 5 star hotels, eating the best food, everything gotta be better than best. On our dime. As far as I know only one athlete has stood up against IOC and their pathetic and totally non sportsmanlike attitude and behaviour towards the Olympic Games, and that was in Nagano’98. The athlete was Terje Håkonsen, on snowboard for those who don’t know. He is comparable to someone like Tony Hawk. He progressed and made all the groundwork, making up all the tricks during the late 80’s and throughout the 1990’s, and won every single competition he attended. Every World Cup, every world championships etc….An absolutely amazing athlete, and he had such love for the sport, self respect and integrity that he rather not having a gold medal in the Olympics, which was basically the only medal he was missing, than obeying and doing Samaranch and IOC’s bidding…..Fruck them. Look him up on y/t if you already haven’t, exceptionally sports man. Norwegian Viking of course 😊😊😊
High schools (Minnesota) allowed it until '78. I used it in competition. It was banned the following year as a non-gymnast tried it with horrible results. It did allow me to go almost 4' further than my traditional approach (18'9"-23'6").
This was an excellent video. It was made even better by the fact that, unlike many other RUclipsrs, you are able to speak into the microphone without pre-recording your monologue and attempting to lip sync it. NICE WORK!
I never got hwy people keep saying that a front flip in a long jump is dangerous, it is not only advantageous when it comes to far distance jumping but actually just the natural way you would fly during a far jump. The jumping motion naturally creates a forward rotation, with the kind of height and distance even lower level long jumpers achieve it's always simly a tuck in mid flight and you would automatically do a full rotation. I also really don't get what is supposed to be so exceptionally dangerous about it, gymnasts do crazy flips all the time and not even into sand but on actually surprisingly hard tumbling floor, they don't have rampant death through broken necks in their rows.
Who are the NCAA and IOC to say a technique is too dangerous? Boxing is dangerous, the luge is dangerous, the ski jump is dangerous. Let the athletes make the decisions for themselves.
I have to let you know that the forward Flip was done in Indiana back in 1972. I was there in the meet competing. The guy who flipped got 3rd place, I won the competition 😎
My best jump was only in practice in 1974, not at a meet, unfortunately, when I was at the University of Louisville. It was 25' 4", roughly 7.80 meters. Two months earlier was when my coach asked me to give it a try. Like the guy in this clip, I practiced it on the pole vault pit but tried it in the sand the same day. My coach gave me his shoes as a reward as there weren't enough to go around. Our track program was pitifully funded. I used the jump at our indoor conference championships and even did one triple jump with the somersault on the end. As far as I know, no one ever did that in official competition. The jump wasn't much, btw, but at least I did something unique and Sports Illustrated wanted to interview me if our team would wait around for the reporter. I thought it was best to leave as we all wanted to get out of icy Iowa and back to Kentucky. My coach thought I made a classy decision. However, a guy from the Des Moines Register did do an interview and I got a copy of this half-page story. I still do some crazy stuff.
I personally used this technique in high school in 1974 (Redondo high school)….Results were nominal….Very hard technique to control, in particular the landing.
The flip jump has been around at least 50 years. I had a friend of mine who tried it in the mid-70's and, while he was not a star athlete, he did improve his distance when compared to a traditional jump.
I think that sports is the definition of pushing the boundaries of what a human can do but, when we do cross those boundaries they just ban. Like these are the innovations that make's a sport more entertaining .
Agreed with the other old guys. I was in track junior high and high school 1969-1974. Routinely saw forward flip long jumpers. Again, this was in junior high and high school in Wichita, Kansas.
When I was in 4th or 5th grade (1966?) I did a forward flip while doing the long jump at the school track meet. The teachers immediately stopped anyone from doing that again. Years later a girl that went to my school said she remembered me doing that. Too bad I was dating someone at that time. (Hi Barb S) This is the first time I have ever heard of anyone doing that. I guess it wasn't that special. LOL
A similar technique relating to throw ins at football (soccer in US) was banned where the footballer somersaulted up to the touch line and then released the ball throwing it a long way.
I remember hearing about that growing up near Spokane when I was in high school. I always wondered why no else pursued that technique, now I know it was banned. Maybe someone should revisit this technique and petition for it to come back. Very impressive
2:02 - 2:24 I guess doing a dozen edits with one slow drifting in dolly camera in post is commonplace these days, I just couldn't focus on anything else here. Thanks for introducing me to this long jump variation.
We had a high jumper in high school who approached the bar straight on, jumping from about 10 feet away and tucking his knees into his chest, arms wrapped around his knees and performing a barrel roll over the bar.
I knew a 9th grader in California in 1966 who would tuck up into a cannonball position and he long jumped 20 feet. I saw it. The phys. ed. teacher measured it.
Wow. I have always thought of that. Except my thinking is about actually diving forward in a position like, those swimmers who race each other in the Olympics. Run, take a dive, and then flip in the air.
It is a lot harder to jump and front flip than just jump. The benefit to the flip is your momentum carries you forward and are able to easier prevent falling back on your hands, and thus getting a shorter measurement.
"Good news and bad news. The bad news is that they've banned somersaults in long jump." "Shit! Well, what are the good news?" "That means nobody can ever beat your record." "Booyah!"
I was a tricker and I remember my front flip carrying me further than a regular jump. Probably to do with getting a maximum stretch forward, like a dive. Also I'm from NZ
Heck I was thinking of this concept all these40+ years but never did anything with my thought.. Glad to see someone else thought of it and executed it, but sadly it was never implemented..
I remember, when competing in high jump at school in the mid 70s, that we were told that doing a somersault to clear the bar was not allowed. They were probably right, but this is the first time I hear that it was forbidden in the long jump. I didn't know that anyone had ever tried it.
Yeah, fancy that. First to climb Everest, first to split the atom, give women the vote, have the 8 hr working day, the electric fence, disposable hypodermic needle and tranquilizer dart, pavlova, and much much more. Kiwi ingenuity lives on. Can you guess where I'm from?
@@GaryPeters-nv8pj I'm more surprised this long jumper didn't do a prancy dance before competing. Slapping his arms, stomping his feet, tongue lolling...
Interesting video! Regarding the long jump, one thing I’ve always wondered about is how the exact distance of the landing of the jumper’s feet is determined because there aren’t any lines or markings on the dirt or sides of the lane to use to measure the distance (as there are, for example, in American football).
Sand is raked to a smooth surface. Then you measure the distance from where they first touch the sand back to the board (line) they jumped from. It's irrelevant which part of the body touches the sand first. If their hand touches first, that's where you measure from. In most cases you want your butt to be the first thing that touches the sand.
Way back in 1974 in high school, I tried a front flip in the long jump. Yes, it increased my distance. But, I completely passed the sand trap (Back then, it was only eight feet long). I landed on the gym floor. Badly. My knees crammed into my head, and broke the skin. I was bleeding. Unfortunately, head wounds bleed a lot. After I went to the hospital for (what turned out to be) one stitch. I learned that I was not an athlete.
I remember a footballer in UK doing this where would do a forward flip with the ball on the ground to get greater power into his throw in. They banned it shortly afterwards
As far as I know I was the first high schooler in '74 do do the long jump flip. But I was also a gymnast so I knew how to flip and land. Unfortunately many kids who would try it got serious neck injuries and it was banned after about two years.
Heroic characters in movies who leap a gap should sometimes be depicted as doing this (the stuntmen would know how to do it safely, plus a lot of it is SFX).
I did this in my school athletics all the time even at state level, used to call them frontsaults for distance :D was basically on par with my normal longjump around 5.5-6m
Because it doesnt actually work. Your forward speed is entirely determined by how much you push the ground while running. You upward speed is entirely determined by how hard you push the ground down while making the 'jump'. What you do in the air is immaterial, (unless you fly). The important thing is having a good landing after that so you dont fall behind your centre of gravity by too much.
@@CA-oe1ok Actually I think it does work, its all in the torque I believe. During a long jump, there's forward torque leading the jumpers head to the ground. Naturualy they attempt to prevent breaking there skull by pushing backwards (losing power) or make there body a net of sorts by extending there limbs (increasing drag). Whereas with the somersault jump you just... add enough torque to do a complete 360 while also possibly adding more force to the jump from pushing forward. Even after blundering his second jump by placing his hands on the ground, Tuariki Delamere still beat everyone else (including a olympic medal holder) and set the world record with it providing more evidence that it works.
because it also makes it substantially more dangerous. It turns a relatively safe sport into a dangerous one. That alone is reason to ban it. If you dont like the sport, thats fine, but it doesnt make sense to let significantly more dangerous techniques take over a sport when it was far safer before.
I've always thought it would make sense for someone to make a "dive" instead, as in diving into water, landing on your hands and rolling over on your back. Very dangerous though, but you'd be (I would think) more aerodynamic while in the air since you're "diving" through it.
I was born in '74 and as a teenager I would do this kind of running somersault for fun. It started after me and some friends were having fun running and jumping onto a high jump mat. After doing it a few times I ended up completely clearing the mat and landed on my feet. I did it a few more times, and then felt comfortable doing it any old time. I would do it on grass, even on paved surfaces, and later in a dojo. The sensei told me to stop doing it, as I may "shatter" my shins. That sounded like nonsense, but I gave up on it around that time, after getting discouragement from a few folks. Even though I was the fastest runner in my year, I wasn't the kind of kid to be recognised by sports teachers. I wasn't competitive or a dick, so my natural athleticism went largely untapped.
Your flippin build up was more than the act deserved... 1969 I was being chased by viscous dog and hit a chain link fence at full gate, did the flip and kept steppin, outran the beast.
When I was in elementary school (in the 70's) there was a high jumper that would push the bar down as he went over it. Other Teams thought it was cheating. But since the bar didn't fall it counted.
@@whodidit99 They also try tumbling... Or pole vaulting... It's silly to ban this but not other things. I think it was just a conservative move, really. They didn't like it, because it completely changed the sport, so they came up with an excuse.
@@dianablackman4528 Are you nuts? They can make it part of their long jump training. You train the long jump, you train a forward flip, where's the problem?
Long jump was one of my events in high school track, even though I wasn't especially good at it. My personal record was less than 5 meters. I never did a somersault long jump, but there were several times when I would add a front flip following my landing just because I could and thought it was funny. I did it several times in practice and everyone thought it was hilarious, but it I only did it a couple times at an official meet before an adult yelled at me and told me I'd be disqualified if I did it again.
The final decision may have been wise. Obviously, Delamere found a way to develop this technique without hurting himself, but so many things could go wrong. I could see competitors eventually experiencing life changing injuries to include paralysis or death with very little having actually gone wrong in execution. I still think he accomplished something amazing for demonstrating what the human body is capable of.
I love when people not only think of alternative strategies to improve results but also have the guts to make themselves a test subject.
Like the Fosbury Flop?
that's a whole lot of words for " cheat"
@@circusbrains If somebody can improve on the existing methods of doing something with greater efficiency while not breaking formal rules, it doesn’t mean they are cheating.
@@circusbrains If the rules AT THE TIME did not prohibit it, it was NOT cheating.
I lived in New Zealand in 74 and I remember John's jump making the news. At the time I said to myself "that jump is bound to be banned"
why is that? you are going face forward when doing the flip so you can react in time by landing on your feet or and hands.
@@Oneiros433 I got the feeling that it would be deemed unsafe regardless of actual safety
@@Oneiros433 Have you seen the video? Even he stopped training because he feared serious injury.
@@Nimmermaer Just like the guy on the video, you gave yourself away. None of you did anything tougher than a gym routine, not to mention military service. "Thinking he risked serious injury to his sspiiiine!", give me a fracking break, "crystal generation" for a reason, never a name's been deserved better.
i was wondering how they were going to ban it .. i guess too dangerous is somewhat valid
The somersault idea makes sense and clearly works....I didn't know about it. Thanks for sharing.
gymnast does triple somersault from bars 3m height
judges: I sleep
long jumper does somersault
judges: omg ban! he gonna injure himself
I am not saying your are wrong... But the gymnasts fall onto very padded and air filled mats that are specifically designed to decrease acceleration, before stopping them. Long jumpers are running 20+ miles per hour and land in sand. If I was going to fall headfirst into either of those, Id choose the mat.
@@finkelmana well I wouldn't call it very padded, bet yeah, they have some mat there. Everyone got mat. Could just give one to long jumper too. They give one to high jumpers after they started jumping head first
@@finkelmana sand is soft. i wonder how many people have mimicked a long jumper and fallen at the beach and hurt themselves
@@cbellasbusta4643 Sand is not as soft as you imagine, it`s just the way it isn`t a cohesive and solid object why it works for long jumping. If you land in a mostly vertical angle for whatever reason sand can get incredibly hard.
Anyway it is a really lame excuse there are so many olympic disciplines which are way more dangerous.
Often the rules are also very strict because the officials want to keep the aesthetics of the sport the same. In the end it doesn't matter much for the front flip guy because as soon as the darkies would learn to front flip they'd start winning again
"Deemed it too dangerous" yet high diving is perfectly fine.
That's in water not bloody sand 🤕😅
Craft
Diving into water freaking high up is still dangerous. Heck playing hockey and taking a puck to the neck is dangerous.
The danger is in kids copying it. Was a good decision. Kids high diving is dangerous, but not nearly as much as pools have life guards and kids learn high diving from coaches and starting at lower levels.
@@koltoncrane3099 Everything in life is dangerous if you think about it.
Talk to Redbull athletes about "too dangerous"😅
He didn't stuff his body with drugs to bridge the gap !
He employed a brand new technique !
Seriously , there should be statues of this guy in New Zealand !!
And crezy one at that 🤕
okay but whos crazy enough to be so persistent on trying something crazy new without being on drug?
Banning that method almost certainly would have cost him medals !
Big medals at that !
I think it's quite astonishing what he did !
All New Zealanders should be very , very proud of him !!
Ok!!!
It won't have made a difference. If it wasn't banned, all other competitors would also have adopted the technique - like the Fosbury Flop in High Jump as mentioned in the video, and the "V" skis in the ski jump. In the end, the better Athletes would still have ended up where they would be normally anyway, since technique can be learned, but natural athleticism can't.
They should bring this back. I'd actually watch long jump.
I watch the women's sand doucche....
@@bobbys4327 Something tells me your are easily entertained ... 🤔
It would be better in they landed on pointed Spikes
Sand is way too unsafe, they should just ask them to identify how far they jump and don't question it. It worked in boxing.
Yeah... sure... what's a few broken backs and wheelchair bound ex-athletes... as long as you were entertained.
The channel should bring back 16/9 format. I can't rotate my TV. Long jump on a vertical video does sound wrong
it is more fun to watch than the normal jump we need this back!
I am with you. But when it becomes the norm it is the boring normal again. 😮💨
Better to have some outliners to perform it so everything stays interesting.
I agree. If only they had a different material to land in so the danger could be mitigated even if just a little.
@@RichsOnlineRSO water would be the next step. But kinda hard to measure
@@SuchtFaktorHoch10 I was thinking the same....or jello? LOL
@@RichsOnlineRSO now we are talking 😄
This vertical video format is absolute eye cancer on an actual monitor btw
I have decently sized laptop and Yeah. It's still eyeball cancer.
the fact that this was banned but other athletes changed the basic technique of events like the high jump in the same olympics totally fine is insane
In approximately 1966, myself and my schoolmates at Ft Casper school in Casper Wy, USA witnessed one Mike Ingram win the long jump competition at the age of approximately 12 years old with a forward flip.
that's too much detail to argue. I believe your story and I tip my hat to Mike Ingram and to you good sir.
And that little boy grew up to be, George Washington.
This dude is an oldhead, I trust his story implicitly based off that info alone lol. Dude is at the age where he has 0 reason at all logical or emotional to lie online about small shit.
@@anusaukko6792 Thanks, I still live in the same town and can probably find corroborating witnesses.
@@RichsOnlineRSO Thanks! For some reason, that particular elementary school had some phenomenal athletes. As a child I didn’t realize how extraordinary some of our kids were until I moved to a city with no real track and field program.
I've been following athletics for nearly 70yrs and talk of the somersault long jump has been around that long and more.
You are correct. I witnessed it in 1966 at least. See my comment above.
Stop editing out natural speech pauses. It makes the dialogue boring and exhausting to listen to.
Absolutely agree, sounds unnatural and robotic.
Yes, I find this annoying generally on amateur RUclips videos. Editing out natural pauses makes the commentary impossibly difficult to listen to.
Yes. Sounds like they are interupting themselves!
Just grow a pair
Absolutely agree. Horrible video.
There are a lot of events in the olympics that are dangerous - poor excuse to ban it.
The Winter Olympics are really safe...
specifically the most dangerous is letting a legit woman box with a man disguised as a woman 😆😂
@@mandiferrer The officials even knew from tests that 'her' testosterone was too high.
Yep, even Nadia had one banned. Completely unfair to capable athletes who'll never get the chance to go all out.
Imagine the ancient Greeks and Spartans banning a dangerous technique. I mean, gynamistics routines are way more dangerous in general. This is basically the long jump old boy's club stopping innovation.
GO COUGS!!!
This Is Awesome how have I never heard this before ?!? Thank You
WAZZU
The idea that a flip long jump is too dangerous is hilarious. Have the seen the gymnastics or any number if insanely risky winter sports? Ski jumping? Hello?
It just shows that the Olympic Committee has always been about controlling the rules to what suits their purposes rather than actively encouraging people to find ways to excel. What next, Americas Cup boats can't use foils because they might get too fast and someone might fall out or "this is how we've always done it?" As a kid I used to look up to the Olympics as something to aspire to compete at ... call my cynical but as I get older, it seems that pretty much everything in life ends up becoming tainted towards money and power to suit individual egos ...
It’s dangerous for high schoolers who want to imitate the jump
@@justanothernoobeyup, you absolutely 100% right, and I believe it’s even way worse than this, you barely scratched the surface. Remember “Samaranch”, the old IOC….the most corrupt organisation on planet earth…..They fly around the world on first class, staying at 5 star hotels, eating the best food, everything gotta be better than best. On our dime. As far as I know only one athlete has stood up against IOC and their pathetic and totally non sportsmanlike attitude and behaviour towards the Olympic Games, and that was in Nagano’98. The athlete was Terje Håkonsen, on snowboard for those who don’t know. He is comparable to someone like Tony Hawk. He progressed and made all the groundwork, making up all the tricks during the late 80’s and throughout the 1990’s, and won every single competition he attended. Every World Cup, every world championships etc….An absolutely amazing athlete, and he had such love for the sport, self respect and integrity that he rather not having a gold medal in the Olympics, which was basically the only medal he was missing, than obeying and doing Samaranch and IOC’s bidding…..Fruck them. Look him up on y/t if you already haven’t, exceptionally sports man. Norwegian Viking of course 😊😊😊
@@EdwinMartin Not any more dangerous than cheerleaders and gymnasts.
@@EdwinMartin Have you seen high school gymnastics, cheerleading or football?
High schools (Minnesota) allowed it until '78. I used it in competition. It was banned the following year as a non-gymnast tried it with horrible results. It did allow me to go almost 4' further than my traditional approach (18'9"-23'6").
mate what an inspiring story, thank you for making an incredible video!
This was an excellent video. It was made even better by the fact that, unlike many other RUclipsrs, you are able to speak into the microphone without pre-recording your monologue and attempting to lip sync it. NICE WORK!
Great story, I didn't know some did this jump. Great short doco, thanks man.
I like the way you speak ( saw the comments )
I never got hwy people keep saying that a front flip in a long jump is dangerous, it is not only advantageous when it comes to far distance jumping but actually just the natural way you would fly during a far jump. The jumping motion naturally creates a forward rotation, with the kind of height and distance even lower level long jumpers achieve it's always simly a tuck in mid flight and you would automatically do a full rotation. I also really don't get what is supposed to be so exceptionally dangerous about it, gymnasts do crazy flips all the time and not even into sand but on actually surprisingly hard tumbling floor, they don't have rampant death through broken necks in their rows.
Who are the NCAA and IOC to say a technique is too dangerous? Boxing is dangerous, the luge is dangerous, the ski jump is dangerous. Let the athletes make the decisions for themselves.
Ya maybe not for highschool long jumpers, but when your at a professianal level you should be allowed to make riskier jumps like all the other sports.
I have to let you know that the forward Flip was done in Indiana back in 1972. I was there in the meet competing. The guy who flipped got 3rd place, I won the competition 😎
@@mrbless1569 I know. I’m talking about the back flip that gymnastics use.
@@mrbless1569 Great. Not forward, back
@@mrbless1569 Did forward flip on long jump.
nice!!!!
it's basically cheating .... and how the Olympic committee cannot see that is ridiculous !!
Do you have any evidence of that?
My best jump was only in practice in 1974, not at a meet, unfortunately, when I was at the University of Louisville. It was 25' 4", roughly 7.80 meters. Two months earlier was when my coach asked me to give it a try. Like the guy in this clip, I practiced it on the pole vault pit but tried it in the sand the same day. My coach gave me his shoes as a reward as there weren't enough to go around. Our track program was pitifully funded.
I used the jump at our indoor conference championships and even did one triple jump with the somersault on the end. As far as I know, no one ever did that in official competition. The jump wasn't much, btw, but at least I did something unique and Sports Illustrated wanted to interview me if our team would wait around for the reporter. I thought it was best to leave as we all wanted to get out of icy Iowa and back to Kentucky. My coach thought I made a classy decision. However, a guy from the Des Moines Register did do an interview and I got a copy of this half-page story. I still do some crazy stuff.
Blah blah blah, me me me
I personally used this technique in high school in 1974 (Redondo high school)….Results were nominal….Very hard technique to control, in particular the landing.
yeah you need to keep your momentum when you land, otherwise you put your hands back/bum hits the sand.
Thank you for narrating using your own voice. Which is a good one, btw.
The flip jump has been around at least 50 years. I had a friend of mine who tried it in the mid-70's and, while he was not a star athlete, he did improve his distance when compared to a traditional jump.
1974 was 50 years ago, so yeah.
When we heard about it, a lot of us were trying it. I tried it. A guy named Bruce Jenner did it.
Amazing story! Thank you!
Amazing he didn't smash his neck, thank you !
Adds new meaning to the term “flopflops! 😁 Clever Kiwis!
I think that sports is the definition of pushing the boundaries of what a human can do but, when we do cross those boundaries they just ban. Like these are the innovations that make's a sport more entertaining .
Agreed with the other old guys. I was in track junior high and high school 1969-1974. Routinely saw forward flip long jumpers. Again, this was in junior high and high school in Wichita, Kansas.
wow.....I am amazed....very nice detail bro----thnx for this
Thinking outside the box love it!
Well done Kiwi.👍👍👍.
Pleaaaaase reupload this in the correct aspect ratio.
Nice vid. Short and sweet. Loved it.
"The Russians were going to use it at the '76 Olympics" is probably the real reason this technique was banned.
I would actually defend Russians in that case, it's not using steroids or other enhancing drugs but just natural ability
@@realdragon I agree, I was getting into the typical mindset of the rules committees.
Bet they won't head over heals 😁
I was doing this since I was a kid and I’m 52 now but I know this long ago, the gymnastics for quite a number of years
When I was in 4th or 5th grade (1966?) I did a forward flip while doing the long jump at the school track meet. The teachers immediately stopped anyone from doing that again. Years later a girl that went to my school said she remembered me doing that. Too bad I was dating someone at that time. (Hi Barb S) This is the first time I have ever heard of anyone doing that. I guess it wasn't that special. LOL
I witnessed another student at my school in 1966 do it in Casper WY.
i've been thinking about this for years - ways to long jump better - someone finally did it
Please don't record in vertical.
Banning it is totally BS. Jump whatever way comes natural. Jumping should be about how far you go from point A to point B.
Or just have different categories. It's done in wrestling: freestyle, folk, Greco, etc and swimming: breaststroke, backstroke, etc as two examples
Dude, that is cool as hell.
VERTICAL VIDEO SYNDROME !
In a wheel chair syndrome 🤕
A crime against humanity.
The fosbury flop was controversial at the time too.
Don't give the guy any more ideas 😂😂😂
A similar technique relating to throw ins at football (soccer in US) was banned where the footballer somersaulted up to the touch line and then released the ball throwing it a long way.
when and where was this banned? looks to me like it's still legal everywhere to this day
@@LorcanaTCGcast I think you are right, I heard it was banned on safety consideration after the first player did it. It appears this is wrong.
That soccer move is still used. But it's usually a flip and not a somersault (they are not the same thing).
I remember hearing about that growing up near Spokane when I was in high school. I always wondered why no else pursued that technique, now I know it was banned. Maybe someone should revisit this technique and petition for it to come back. Very impressive
2:02 - 2:24 I guess doing a dozen edits with one slow drifting in dolly camera in post is commonplace these days, I just couldn't focus on anything else here. Thanks for introducing me to this long jump variation.
its so beautiful!!! I want to cry~
We had a high jumper in high school who approached the bar straight on, jumping from about 10 feet away and tucking his knees into his chest, arms wrapped around his knees and performing a barrel roll over the bar.
Some say he's still in a mental hospital to day.
Very interesting. What's w/the hand held mic?
When you see him in action, it just seems like basic science that this technique will take you further forward
I knew a 9th grader in California in 1966 who would tuck up into a cannonball position and he long jumped 20 feet. I saw it. The phys. ed. teacher measured it.
So, 6.096 metres. Almost 60 years later and the USA still remains stubborn in refusing the metric system.
@@banjohappy I did 20 feet in 8th grade.
I jumped over 21 feet in 9th grade in jeans.
@@Master-ng9ujBut you use our antiquated system for all your ratchet wrench drives.
@@TE5LA-GAMING boy the whole world uses the metric system but ig u gotta stay in denial lol
Dude was coming in 9th place. Had nothing to lose. Smart.
John went to Tauranga Boys College. ...in one of my classes
New Zealand has always done things differently
Wow. I have always thought of that. Except my thinking is about actually diving forward in a position like, those swimmers who race each other in the Olympics. Run, take a dive, and then flip in the air.
His spex''s even stead on. The guy is a comic genius 😂
I remember one of my high school classmates doing this and I was in shock.😂
Literally "work smarter, not harder"! 😂 (I mean it must be very hard to do but still, he used his brain!)
It is a lot harder to jump and front flip than just jump. The benefit to the flip is your momentum carries you forward and are able to easier prevent falling back on your hands, and thus getting a shorter measurement.
When banned he wasn't head over heals
"Good news and bad news. The bad news is that they've banned somersaults in long jump."
"Shit! Well, what are the good news?"
"That means nobody can ever beat your record."
"Booyah!"
I was a tricker and I remember my front flip carrying me further than a regular jump. Probably to do with getting a maximum stretch forward, like a dive. Also I'm from NZ
Delamere went on to become a Minister in the NZ government.
Bet he was head over heals 😅
nice video but it is sad to see the images clipped for the portrait mode visuals
16:9 Seriously bro? Hope these never come up in my feed again
4 minutes for a 6 seconds clip. A new record
How long was it compared to the other longest jumps? Why did you leave that out? Thanks though for showing this. I never heard of it!
Heck I was thinking of this concept all these40+ years but never did anything with my thought.. Glad to see someone else thought of it and executed it, but sadly it was never implemented..
I remember, when competing in high jump at school in the mid 70s, that we were told that doing a somersault to clear the bar was not allowed. They were probably right, but this is the first time I hear that it was forbidden in the long jump. I didn't know that anyone had ever tried it.
Front flip. A somersault is done entirely on the ground.
Look at that!
A New Zealander!
Utmost respect!!
Yeah, fancy that. First to climb Everest, first to split the atom, give women the vote, have the 8 hr working day, the electric fence, disposable hypodermic needle and tranquilizer dart, pavlova, and much much more. Kiwi ingenuity lives on. Can you guess where I'm from?
@@GaryPeters-nv8pj I'm more surprised this long jumper didn't do a prancy dance before competing. Slapping his arms, stomping his feet, tongue lolling...
@@GaryPeters-nv8pj Australia?
Dude got gud in the sacred art of Roly Poly. Respect.
Interesting video!
Regarding the long jump, one thing I’ve always wondered about is how the exact distance of the landing of the jumper’s feet is determined because there aren’t any lines or markings on the dirt or sides of the lane to use to measure the distance (as there are, for example, in American football).
Sand is raked to a smooth surface. Then you measure the distance from where they first touch the sand back to the board (line) they jumped from. It's irrelevant which part of the body touches the sand first. If their hand touches first, that's where you measure from. In most cases you want your butt to be the first thing that touches the sand.
@@meagantripp1573 Thanks for the information!
Way back in 1974 in high school, I tried a front flip in the long jump. Yes, it increased my distance. But, I completely passed the sand trap (Back then, it was only eight feet long). I landed on the gym floor. Badly. My knees crammed into my head, and broke the skin. I was bleeding. Unfortunately, head wounds bleed a lot. After I went to the hospital for (what turned out to be) one stitch. I learned that I was not an athlete.
@DomTomato should give this a go.
"Too dangerous" is code for "he's gonna take the medal from the countries we're most scared of."
I remember a footballer in UK doing this where would do a forward flip with the ball on the ground to get greater power into his throw in. They banned it shortly afterwards
As far as I know I was the first high schooler in '74 do do the long jump flip. But I was also a gymnast so I knew how to flip and land. Unfortunately many kids who would try it got serious neck injuries and it was banned after about two years.
How cool was that. Never heard of that before.
Heroic characters in movies who leap a gap should sometimes be depicted as doing this (the stuntmen would know how to do it safely, plus a lot of it is SFX).
I did this in my school athletics all the time even at state level, used to call them frontsaults for distance :D was basically on par with my normal longjump around 5.5-6m
How dare he try to inject skill, daring and athleticism into a sport where we just compare innate ability with a bit of training!
Because it doesnt actually work. Your forward speed is entirely determined by how much you push the ground while running. You upward speed is entirely determined by how hard you push the ground down while making the 'jump'. What you do in the air is immaterial, (unless you fly). The important thing is having a good landing after that so you dont fall behind your centre of gravity by too much.
@@CA-oe1ok Actually I think it does work, its all in the torque I believe. During a long jump, there's forward torque leading the jumpers head to the ground. Naturualy they attempt to prevent breaking there skull by pushing backwards (losing power) or make there body a net of sorts by extending there limbs (increasing drag). Whereas with the somersault jump you just... add enough torque to do a complete 360 while also possibly adding more force to the jump from pushing forward.
Even after blundering his second jump by placing his hands on the ground, Tuariki Delamere still beat everyone else (including a olympic medal holder) and set the world record with it providing more evidence that it works.
@@volvo245 you mean inject skull 🤕
because it also makes it substantially more dangerous.
It turns a relatively safe sport into a dangerous one. That alone is reason to ban it. If you dont like the sport, thats fine, but it doesnt make sense to let significantly more dangerous techniques take over a sport when it was far safer before.
@@eragon78 quick unrelated question, is your user name Eragon from the inheritance series, or like its your name?
That bloody Kiwi Ingenuity always works a charm
This video is good example why you shouldn't do this in portrait mode.
Better in mental hospital mode 😅
I've always thought it would make sense for someone to make a "dive" instead, as in diving into water, landing on your hands and rolling over on your back. Very dangerous though, but you'd be (I would think) more aerodynamic while in the air since you're "diving" through it.
Better for him to dive into a mental hospital 😅
I was born in '74 and as a teenager I would do this kind of running somersault for fun. It started after me and some friends were having fun running and jumping onto a high jump mat. After doing it a few times I ended up completely clearing the mat and landed on my feet. I did it a few more times, and then felt comfortable doing it any old time. I would do it on grass, even on paved surfaces, and later in a dojo. The sensei told me to stop doing it, as I may "shatter" my shins.
That sounded like nonsense, but I gave up on it around that time, after getting discouragement from a few folks. Even though I was the fastest runner in my year, I wasn't the kind of kid to be recognised by sports teachers. I wasn't competitive or a dick, so my natural athleticism went largely untapped.
Sounds like those that banned the summersalt long jump were just big ol jelly haters.
This gives me speedrun world record history vibes lmao
Vertical video is a crime against humanity.
Learn something new everyday
Your flippin build up was more than the act deserved... 1969 I was being chased by viscous dog and hit a chain link fence at full gate, did the flip and kept steppin, outran the beast.
When I was in elementary school (in the 70's) there was a high jumper that would push the bar down as he went over it. Other Teams thought it was cheating. But since the bar didn't fall it counted.
What’s the point of having a landscape picture squashed into a portrait shape? It just makes it much smaller
He hates us. That's the point.
Fantastic great
How can somersault jump be too dangerous when gymnasts do much riskier tumbles?
Because then high school athletes would try it and someone would break their neck.
@@whodidit99 They also try tumbling... Or pole vaulting... It's silly to ban this but not other things. I think it was just a conservative move, really. They didn't like it, because it completely changed the sport, so they came up with an excuse.
It is dangerous for someone not trained in gymnastics. Duh....
@@dianablackman4528 Are you nuts? They can make it part of their long jump training. You train the long jump, you train a forward flip, where's the problem?
@@brei2670 well, ban the Fosberry flop.
Long jump was one of my events in high school track, even though I wasn't especially good at it. My personal record was less than 5 meters. I never did a somersault long jump, but there were several times when I would add a front flip following my landing just because I could and thought it was funny. I did it several times in practice and everyone thought it was hilarious, but it I only did it a couple times at an official meet before an adult yelled at me and told me I'd be disqualified if I did it again.
The final decision may have been wise. Obviously, Delamere found a way to develop this technique without hurting himself, but so many things could go wrong. I could see competitors eventually experiencing life changing injuries to include paralysis or death with very little having actually gone wrong in execution. I still think he accomplished something amazing for demonstrating what the human body is capable of.
Good story. Thanks.
Very Good!..