I don't understand how they can erase a record if it was legal under the rules in effect at the time. Start a new set of records for the new rules, but leave the old ones on the books.
Yeah - how did they even decide which records to remove anyway? I have to assume the record that was left standing at the top was still with the same javelin, so why would it remain? Seems like a very weird decision.
It's like when you make a new category in speedrunning, it's not that they are completely removed, just not counted under the official active world records but rather counted under the category they now count as. This is just to make it clear what the record to aim for the currently active players are to aim for.
Happened also to that Russian Greco-Roman wrestler too, who lost one of his only losses ever in his last Olympics, because they changed the rules just before the competition. I'm talking about Aleksandr Karelin. No disrespect to his victor either, but it's a fact.
@@sandyjr5225 Not just Devon Allen but in the Olympics a sprinter from Africa had the same thing happen, as they assumed his reaction time was faster than "humanly possible'. A tenth of a second seems slow btw, regarding Allen, who was robbed.
That's not quite true though, part of the issue here was hardware optimisations (serrated tails) compensating for previous restrictions, that is why 4 different records were rescinded. The second issue, as mentioned in the Uwe Hohn section, is the sheer ability to organise the event in the first place.
@@BlairdBlaird - Then they change the venue. If people are simply getting too good, too bad. They're getting that good. There's been too many events they nerfed because of excellence. Mind you, the IOC have other issues as well (corruption, lawsuit-happy people that they are).
@@ChristopherLaHaise And if they gave it wings, everybody could be throwing it 250m The distance itself is irrelevant in isolation, it's the comparison between other athletes that makes a throw impressive. Making 100m when everybody is throwing 90m is the same as making 90m when everyone is throwing 80m It's not a nerf, it's a stat squish.
I suspect the issue there is that it would require that they stop using the inside of a track to do it. Which would be fine for the Olympics, but for smaller events, it could be an issue.
@yoflife9159 Yes, although with the track there, there are probably issues with the javelin damaging the track or not properly sticking where it lands.
When talking about Räty, you have to mention his incredible injury record. He was strength first thrower and that really showed in how prone he was to being injured. An absolute legend, and had potential for so much more.
@@Stoirelius Räty wasn't how you think of professional athletes now with their professional masseuses and dieticians. He was a big guy who ate a lot, drank a lot and lifted a lot of iron, squatting 300kg and benching over 200kg, even after retirement. He also claims to have never stretched. And he has a Wikiquote page a mile long, making him a sort of a "country bumpkin" stereotype, which to be fair he probably did play up for his own amusement.
And then Jan Zelezny went on a terror and broke the world record at 98.48 meters and will certainly be called the greatest javelin thrower ever.. Hohn had injuries shortly after his mark of 104 so the consistency of being able to compete was not really there for him.. Raty and Tapio for Finland were great throwers as well..
I'm waiting for the day Zelezny record falls. Johannes Vetter came strikingly close with a 97.76 meter throw in 2020. If and when someone breaks Zelezny's record, they'll probably have to revise the javelin for a third time.
@@andrewkatz6649I sure hope that never becomes the case because the javelin was always an impliment that was meant for great distances.. All the officials need to do is keep a tighter reign on the sector and potential skewer victims..🤙
@@andrewkatz6649 Records are meant to be broken. One day someone in very good shape will succeed. But Zelezny is the GOAT not only because of his record. He has won 3x Olympic gold, 1x Olympic silver, 3x World Championship gold and 2x World Championship bronze. When Zelezny threw his 98.48m, people were predicting him to break the 100m mark soon. Instead, he soon seriously injured. Most javelin throwers can only maintain very top form for a short part of their career. Zelezny made a recovery from his injury and won his third Olympic gold. However, he never attacked a WR again. BTW even Zelezny himself said that his record throw was not technically ideal. So he really had a chance to break 100m. But in javelin, you need a lot of things to be optimal in one event to break the record.
That slip damaged his ankle and it got worse as the rounds progressed. He kept throwing warm up throws through the competition, just to load up everything on the last one. With a busted support leg, that is supposed to be stomped on the throw line and transfer the running energy to the hand and to the javelin. His growl ends up in an "ai" which is a cry of pain. Seppo Räty is not the kind of guy who cries from pain.
As one could expect from such a Finn! As a Swede I would've been way more surprised if he had withdrawn - two legs and two arms more or less attached to his torso good dose of sisu and off to compete!
People are both incredibly resilient and shockingly fragile. People have fallen to minor wounds that become infected while others are still standing against incredible falls. We can't tolerate too much salt or we would suffer heart problems while we're capable of surviving vicious animal attacks. It's both scary and amazing that we're that fragile and that tough. I like it when we show and celebrate that which shows our more resilient side. In a world where negativity bias dominates, it's nice to have a reminder that we're unyielding creatures.
He probably thought he slightly turned it and just powered through it I tried to walk off a broken ankle thinking I badly turned it but then realised I couldn't walk because I broke all three bones
I think this just means the javelin event needs to be moved to a more optimal venue. Instead of limiting the distance because of space, just increase the space.
The problem is that tracks and stadia cost a lot of money to build, and a large number would already be in existence, with it being too expensive to reubild every every existing track or stadium bigger to accomodate a longer javelin area, and in some cases impossible if the adjacent land necessary wasn't available to them for whatever reason. It wouldn't have been in the governing body's interest to increase the regulation length of javelin throwing areas and suddenly prevent probably the majority of venues from being able to host javelin events.
@@MrDannyDetail you're telling me they can't make space in archery, or rifle, or a soccer stadium. Move it out of the track and field area ENTIRELY is what I'm saying. It doesn't HAVE to stay there.
@@jennstewart3003 Well, I guess we should ask the javelin throwers what they'd prefer. A : Modify the javelin so none of them can throw it further than 90 meters and keep them in the same stadium than every other athlets with 10s of thousands of people in the crowd or B : Have them alone in a field throwing their optimal javelin 180 meters away with no crowd and few media coverage...
I was a young javelin thrower when this happened, just learning the event, and my dad told me about him throwing 97 metres after he heard about it on the radio. It took my club a while to get the new design javelins, but when they did, even the kiddie ones I was throwing went nearly 10 metres less distance!!!!
Well, in 56 it was thrown 112.5m at the Olympics, they just didn´t like a Spaniard peasant humiliating nordic countries so the IAAF changed the rules afterwards to strip away the title and record. Legit.
You run the risk of injuring the athletes on regular basis. Professional baseball suffers from this already since the best pitchers throw the ball so fast it causes a trauma. Javelin throw distance is a function of throw speed, so by keeping it limited you also limit direct injuries from throwing it. There should be separate categories for different types of javelins. Or if there's only one leaderboard, throw results should be adjusted by the effective range loss percentage from a different mandated design.
Plenty of scope in stadiums to lengthen long jump pits. Not quite the same scope for a longer infield. Having the scratch line further back is an option I've never seen explored.
Why's that? Wasn't this Scandinavian giant throwing out of the field already winning due to strength? Oh you mean the change before that? What exactly made it more strength based after that?
@@ninjafruitchilled since no one actually bothered to answer, I got you. The main thing it comes down to is the center of balance on the javelin. When they moved it, it wasn't perfectly balanced anymore, meaning you needed more strength for it to fly and stay in the air for as long as it did without the change. The more change = the more strength required to do what was originally not very taxing, ergo pushing out the people that don't have as much strength. With the changes, it basically becomes who can muscle it out the furthest, not technique which is what track and field is really about :/
They banned the discus type throw for the javelin. But it’s proven that if done right it destroyed records by 30 meters. But they didn’t like that during the windup the javelin would point at the crowd lol.
When you look at the records you have to go to non legal throws to find Ratys throws which were legal at the time but go down to the freethrow category and youll see a distance of 99.25m achieved in 1956.... it was with a spinning technique where the javelin would be held at the hip
The speed of the second change probably has as much to do with bureaucratic inertia as it does with the quality of either of the two throws. Once they decided the javelin could be changed, changing it again would be less of a big deal.
@@Darthiya That's not exactly what was specified in the video, though the narrator did word it that way. The idea seems to be the notion that the present record is somehow the only one. If the officials literally specified that they are stripping past records of recognition, then I need to be shown the evidence of that announcement, because I find that hard to believe. Otherwise, we see the historical facts: the present category may overshadow some past ones, but the historical record of those categories and the best scores therein still exist. I think this is a case of the script justifying the clickbait thumbnail by phrasing things in a slightly overdramatic way. If there is proof to convince me, then I am open to being convinced. Otherwise, I still think the official record notes the top scores in retired categories.
@@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah Wikipedia summarizes it as "Modifications that manufacturers made to recover some of the lost distance, by increasing tail drag (using holes, rough paint or dimples), were forbidden at the end of 1991 and performances made using implements with such modifications removed from the record books. Seppo Räty had achieved a world record of 96.96 m (318.1 ft) in 1991 with such a design, but this record was nullified." On Seppo Räty's own wikipedia article, it says the following: "His personal best throw of 96.96 m, set in 1991, was one of his two world records with the "new javelin" at the time, however this throw was made using a "Nemeth" javelin that was banned by the IAAF later that year. All records made using this javelin were retrospectively deleted as from 20.9.1991 but remain ratified world records recognised by the IAAF. His best throw with the current javelin is 90.60 m, achieved in 1992." This sounds basically like the IAAF went "You can keep your world record, but it's not a *Javelin* world record, so we won't put it in our Javelin records list". (Also, Seppo Räty's personal best improved by more than ten meters in 1991, the only year he appears to have been using the "modified Javelin".)
@@Winchester1979 Thanks. I don't think the video mentioned the javelin being altered to recover some of the distance, I thought it said they each were designed to lose distance, but it's been awhile since I watched this. So the IAAF say the record exists, but the thing thrown wasn't a javelin, so it's some super niche category then.
@@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah It was actually mentioned in the video, but you may have missed it - adding drag to the back end of the javelin makes it so the point stays up longer, which makes it fly further. But yeah, basically he has the world record for throwing a *modified* post-1986 javelin, but since the sport is not about throwing modified javelins, it's not part of the javelin record canon.
would be interesting to optimize the javelin as much as possible and see how far a human could take it? Are there other throwing objects that would take it even furter with optimisation? Like a discus or frisbee of some sort?
In the 1980s there was a toy called Aerobie (not sure of the spelling). Maybe they still make them, I dunno. It was like a Frisbee but with no centre and a curved upper surface that acted as a wing. It held (according to the Guiness book I owned at the time) the world record for farthest thrown object on flat ground, something like 250 m. Just crazy good aerodynamics. I remember that my dad and uncle could throw ours across the entire football field at the track, about 100 m...and they were not Olympic athletes.
The Aerobie rules distance. 426 meters. Golf disc, 335 meters. However these records are for commercial purposes so they go to places with strong updrafts. Thin air due to altitude or heat helps a lot too. I think it is kind of silly. The indoor record is maybe 143 meters which seems awfully low. I've often thrown a golf disc 115 meters and I'm nothing special. I threw a modified disc 135 meters, no wind. Maybe they have trouble finding empty indoor spaces that large. The record was set inside of an aircraft carrier. You can be pretty sure it was at sea level.
The change of the implement was not because Hohn threw so far but because there were so many flat or near flat throws and so much discussion about foul or not. The committee proposing the rule change was already finished when Hohn threw over 100 meter.
After todays Results I am interested to know how great is Arshad Nadeem's achievement of throwing 92.97 with the new Javelin and again scoring 91+m in his last attempt crossing the 90m barrier twice in a single event.
I feel like removing records is kind of silly, why not just draw a line after javelin changes where you would count completely new records so they all could co-exist through any javelin changes
Arshad Nadeem from Pakistan just broke the Olympic record with incredible throw of 92.97 m , His massive improvement from Tokyo 87m to Paris two 90+ throws is incredible and in near future he may set new records in javelin history.
Golf has the same problem. The equipment manufacturers improve the distance of their clubs and balls. This screws up the challenges that the courses present. The USGA tried to limit the distances. The equipment people sued the USGA. The USGA gave up and instead moved the tees back on the championship courses.
Thanks for the amazing story I never would have heard anywhere else. Absolutely LOVE this type of stuff, and share it with my dad who loves it too. Thanks again
@@watcheronly71 I dont cry ever im a fucking beast who shits while standing but the fact its his second huge competition and he threw that with so little speed is a little suspect ngl
Seppo Räty is one of the biggest Finnish legends. He and the ski jumper Matti Nykänen are responsible of half of the funny quotes used by Finns to this day. After throwing this javelin competition in Punkalaidun, reporter wanted to know why he was so good: "I've been getting so good food that I've put in 5 kilos." On preparing for Barcelona Olympics: "I've been driving around with Mika Halvari because it's been so cold." Explaining his smile and handwaving at medal ceremony: "I waved just to fuck around." On losing a competition in Germany: "Germany is a shit country." On preparations for Helsinki EC 1994: "I rest or get drunk." Before 1996 Atlanta Olympics: 500 000 marks in cold cash in my hand, and the stick flies over 100 metres." "Before leaving for Atlanta I decided that I wouldn't speak one word English. Speaking Finnish would have to suffice." "I can throw 60m standing still." "I feel pity for (Usain Bolt's) wife, girlfriend or girlfriends. The guy is done under 20 seconds and already dripping in sweat." Sports reporter asking him to say something with substance/weight: "Caterpillar." On losing a Mercedes in Stuttgart that they gave out to winners: "I didn't even want one, because it's a shabby car." Said to a female javelin thrower Heli Rantanen on the pitch in Atlanta 1996 "Throw so hard that your pussy tears up." and "Throw so hard that you'll piss yourself." Heli won gold. When asked if he'll do a victory lap: "I won't go unless they force me." About an upcoming 20-something thrower: "They can concentrate only on two things. If you try to study, do sports and fuck, there's one thing too many. You can study later."
I almost skewered my P.E. teacher at school when we did javelin throwing. It was “only” about 56 metres but he was stood a couple of feet from where it landed. Everyone else was throwing more like 30m so he stood down range at around 55m. I had a good arm on me lol. I also got the school record for the discus throw at the time. Running 100m was my thing though, so I didn’t really pursue javelin or discus.
i hate that they slowed down the javelin, they should instead longer field and let anyone use whatever javelin they want and whatever technique they want, i want to see the how far it can go using the most optimal technique and materials, if your putting limits ,you might as well just use a wooden stick as it in no way shape or form represents the best of human capability
You've got a point, but I'll suggest some other lines of thinking. First and foremost, the javelin throw should be a contest of athletes, not a contest of aerodynamics engineers. I don't care what design they fix on, so long as they don't keep changing it. Second, the javelin guys often share the arena with other sports, which require the track to be a certain size. I'm not sure there's any leeway for a bigger field!
@@hoi-polloi1863 The humans ability to make and use tools is one of our core traits, what defines us and sets us apart, not to mention a necessity in these events as the javelins already need to be made and optimized for the event, the olympics should be about showing the greatest feats humans can achieve which a good javelin is a necessity for, making the human limits currently unknowable in the format, plus a reputable aerodynamic engineer, someone more intellectually inclined and devoting more time to studies, doesnt have a shot in hell at winning this event no matter how much they understand a javelin because the people who win wake up and throw their arms out every day to get a little bit further their bodies are optimized for throwing and the act of throwing that exact javelin ingrained into their muscle memory. Athleticism, and more importantly, achieving results in the olympics isnt just about strength, its also about body control, speed, flexibility, and technique, which matters an incredible amount always, no matter how little you change the javelin, its going to somehow change the way you need to throw to achieve the furthest distance
@@JMessika I don't mind advances in javelin design, so long as (a) everybody uses the same one, and (b) the field is big enough that the throws stay inside it. The main thing I dislike about changing the jav is that it makes it harder to compare older-generation champions against newer.
@@JMessika Obviously a aerodynamic engineer wouldn't win the event themselves. They would work with a javelin thrower to optimise the javelin for them. There have been plenty of controversies about the equipment used by a particular athlete or team in different sporting events at the olympics giving them an unfair advantage, such as swimsuits and bicycles.
@@nathangamble125 why did you feel the need to explain this to me. I never said anything to imply differently or that I thought javelins shouldn't have a standardized form
@@janitorizamped What an ironic statement. There's actual speech therapy dedicated to teaching the r rolling and usually takes a few months at most, and we're talking about challenged children here. "Normal" functioning adults should pick it up way faster. It's literally all about the position of the tongue.
@@Nahkasetämies if you have to take speech therapy, then it's not easy... "Normal" functioning adults often learn slower than children who are developing. Nothing you just said in anyway backs up your first comment. Your first comment was incredibly ignorant.
Fascinating! And while I do agree that it's an absolutely insane throw by Raty that made the associations change the sport again basically immediately, I do wanna point out how impressive it is that they took 2 years after the >100m throw from Uwe Hohn and *nobody managed to beat it in that time*. To me that just means that yes, he had an easier time than any athlete after the change because of the way the javeling was built. But he was also clearly the best because nobody could beat him with that javelin.
Was wondering if you can do some digging into the advent of super shoes and how these will affect high jump, pole vault, triple jump, and even long jump. Watched the javelin and was wondering if the shoes could have any effect on it - my mind says it might but it hasn’t been tested yet. But those other events might have the WR threatened by the shoes. Personally, I would hate for the High Jump WR to be broken because of shoes. It would feel quite hollow. But I’m not sure if this could actually happen.
i wouldnt say there was more urgency to change the rules the second time, but because it was done before, they new what to do, that no one would complain etc.
They should allow the old records to be broken by using only the same type/style of Javelin that was used to set that record. Doesn't make any sense to change up the Javelin making it less likely to travel as far as the previous ones used before it.
A few errors in this video. It wasn't that the IAAF needed to change the rules because the javelins was going too far - that's evidenced by the fact that Jan's WR is significantly further than Seppo's 96.96m. The issue was that two javelin manufacturers noticed a loophole in the javelin specs in the rules, and started working to introduce elements to the javelin design where they could claim it was within the rules. First Nemeth introduced the roughened edge at the back of the jav, then in response (I think it was...) Nordic who added some "spiraled" tape around the end. Both had the effect of altering the aerodynamics to increase the hang time but still allowed the javelin to pitch point down, which was the problem with the old pre 1986 javelin. So the IAAF disallowed the record as it was basically breaking the rules. They clarified the tech specs of the jav and off we went - the record goes back to 89.58m and it was never a problem again. Sort of like a wind assisted run/jump. For example, the TJ WR of 18.29m is a bit less than Jon Edwards all time biggest jump of 18.43m disallowed because it was windy.
i was a kid learning how to throw back in those days. still have those nike javelin boots that Raty wore, black and luminous yellow. great times for throwing.
Incorrect info. The correct info is that there was already talk about changing the design before Hohn's legendary throw and all that throw did is speed up the implementation of what was already in the works. They knew a massive throw would happen, they just didn't know it would be so soon. The javelin was changed not BECAUSE of Hohn's throw but because his massive throw was premature.
Distance thrown/safety WAS NOT the reason the javelin was changed in 1984- it was to insure a point first landing, so judges did not have to make a judgement of fair or foul. The rules were changed in 1982, but gave javelin companies 2 years to develop the new designs and give athletes time for everyone to gain access to the new models. Rules changed in 1982; new rules announced in 1984; new implements used in 1986.
Imagine changing the rules of the event and completely invalidating the hard work people put into reaching world records instead of just adding 10 meters to the length of the field💀
The same thing happened with the U.S. M1 Rifle used in WWII. Not only did some commanders not allow the full 8 round clips, limiting the troops to 3 or 1 round clips, when the rifle was being tested, the range exceeded the “safe zone” for the shooting ranges, so the Army brass developed the M2 round with a shorter range - they removed some of the boat tail from the end of the round. The US fought WW II with an hobbled rifle, so the shooting ranges didn’t need to be changed.
We need 4 Olympic events for all spots: 1. The average Joe Olympics. 2. The current Olympics. 3. The "Let's see how good we are without drugs" Olympics, i.e. modifying equipment to however you damn well want, just go fast, jump high and throw far. 4. And the cheaters Olympic. Let's see how good an athlete is within rules compared to a normal human, and then compare them to the other 2 categories and see what we are really capable off without rules.
His record was actually rescinded starting in September of 1991. Unlike the previous record that still stands using the old specifications, Seppo's record was technically erased from the record books and the mark of 89.58 of Steve Backely from 1990 was placed back on top at the time.
The javelin wasn't changed due to throwing distances. They were, at the time, already planning on changing the javelin as the point wasn't sticking down enough and was putting the ruling of whether it counted into the hands of the judges, which was causing many disputes.
i understand why the changes were made but they shouldnt have deleted those distances imo, there should be annotations next to them or a seperate section for each iteration of the javelin, the athletes shouldnt be penalised for pushing the boundaries past what was considered safe
Some of the funniest threads I have seen in years 😂 I thought they were trolling at first but nah some people would actually be Thanos! 😂 I owe disney an apology. Thanos is a very realistic character and based in reality. There are many people with his sort of motivation and point of view. "Where would we get more space?" "The stadium size!" "Other events would be affected!" "They had to cut the world record!" "Where would we get infinite space!?" Me: Go Outside. Any field. You only need like 150m.
Although there could've been "more urgency" to change the rules during the second reset, that's not how these things work out. When the first reset was originally proposed it was well before 100 had been reached, while world records and personal bests were getting further and further at rapid speeds. Fundamental R&D was denied under the assumption that 100+ was impossible, and once it was real the idea of changing the sport was heavily controversial and there were alot of disagreements between what should be changed, if anything, thus taking 2 years to complete. After reseting once, the bodies that had formed to come out with new ideas didn't just vanish and instead continued to study and notice rapidly increasing times again. Feedback from athletes from the first reset, continued R&D, and more importantly the lack of overal controversy since large scale changes had been done before, vastly increased the time that the new guidelines could be imposed. The next time it changes again it will be just as fast or even faster, regardless of how quickly the athletes are improving. I'm absolutely not saying he's bad or not deserving of an urgent rules change, the guy is clearly an insanely great athlete, it's just that it's worth pointing out that changes to sports often start with heavy controversy, and once the first changes come into effect, it's alot easier and more accepted to make future changes. Once athletes and fans get out of the "this game is sacred and should never change" mindset, the idea of changing the game to make it more fun, rewarding, competitive, or simply to iron out missing or bad rules is something that overall a good thing for sports.
I think Javelin's are the only thing in which the actual event is literally 'designed' to prevent you from performing at your best..... Imagine how far they could chunk actual 'war-javelins', if they are flinging ones quite literally designed 'not' to fly, over 80 meters.
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I don't understand how they can erase a record if it was legal under the rules in effect at the time. Start a new set of records for the new rules, but leave the old ones on the books.
Yeah - how did they even decide which records to remove anyway? I have to assume the record that was left standing at the top was still with the same javelin, so why would it remain? Seems like a very weird decision.
Speedrunners literally figured this out
I mean, you can't REALLY erase the record. It still happened, but either way the original accomplishment gets overshadowed
It's like when you make a new category in speedrunning, it's not that they are completely removed, just not counted under the official active world records but rather counted under the category they now count as. This is just to make it clear what the record to aim for the currently active players are to aim for.
I think they do it because with the new rules the old record cant be broken and it wouldnt be fair to have a record gotten with easier rules
Imagine being the guy that changed the rules to an event. Absolute legend status right there
Imagine being disqualified for a 0.099sec start but being considered too fast out of the blocks
@@kylesuarez5540 you're talking about Devon Allen right?
He didn't, the video gives incorrect info.
Happened also to that Russian Greco-Roman wrestler too, who lost one of his only losses ever in his last Olympics, because they changed the rules just before the competition. I'm talking about Aleksandr Karelin. No disrespect to his victor either, but it's a fact.
@@sandyjr5225 Not just Devon Allen but in the Olympics a sprinter from Africa had the same thing happen, as they assumed his reaction time was faster than "humanly possible'. A tenth of a second seems slow btw, regarding Allen, who was robbed.
"The Olympics, to celebrate the peak of human capability."
Also.
"Too good! You're too good!"
That's not quite true though, part of the issue here was hardware optimisations (serrated tails) compensating for previous restrictions, that is why 4 different records were rescinded. The second issue, as mentioned in the Uwe Hohn section, is the sheer ability to organise the event in the first place.
@@BlairdBlaird - Then they change the venue. If people are simply getting too good, too bad. They're getting that good. There's been too many events they nerfed because of excellence.
Mind you, the IOC have other issues as well (corruption, lawsuit-happy people that they are).
Nothing of this was about Olympics.
I wish they just made the space for throwing bigger or not in the middle of a track, see how far we can actually throw things
@@ChristopherLaHaise And if they gave it wings, everybody could be throwing it 250m
The distance itself is irrelevant in isolation, it's the comparison between other athletes that makes a throw impressive. Making 100m when everybody is throwing 90m is the same as making 90m when everyone is throwing 80m
It's not a nerf, it's a stat squish.
I would like to see a 3km long field, with the original javelin. Just imagine what the true world record would be if the field was lengthened.
We'd be looking at a DDR world record though haha we are not surpassing those numbers ever.(without blatant doping)
I suspect the issue there is that it would require that they stop using the inside of a track to do it. Which would be fine for the Olympics, but for smaller events, it could be an issue.
@@SmallSpoonBrigadeeven for the Olympics you can't ensure the safety of others on an open field it has to be closed
@yoflife9159 Yes, although with the track there, there are probably issues with the javelin damaging the track or not properly sticking where it lands.
Dont forgett that it depends very much on the wind in the highest point over the stadium ;)
When talking about Räty, you have to mention his incredible injury record.
He was strength first thrower and that really showed in how prone he was to being injured. An absolute legend, and had potential for so much more.
Why was he so prone to injury?
@@Stoirelius I assume he kept throwing out his arm, the way some baseball pitchers do.
@@Stoirelius Räty wasn't how you think of professional athletes now with their professional masseuses and dieticians. He was a big guy who ate a lot, drank a lot and lifted a lot of iron, squatting 300kg and benching over 200kg, even after retirement. He also claims to have never stretched. And he has a Wikiquote page a mile long, making him a sort of a "country bumpkin" stereotype, which to be fair he probably did play up for his own amusement.
Rä'ty might have the record (80.10m) without speed. he was injured so he throwing from 1m.
He was indeed an absolute beast. No long run up for him, an unusual crossover rhythm and then, BANG, hit it hard. Loved him!
And then Jan Zelezny went on a terror and broke the world record at 98.48 meters and will certainly be called the greatest javelin thrower ever.. Hohn had injuries shortly after his mark of 104 so the consistency of being able to compete was not really there for him.. Raty and Tapio for Finland were great throwers as well..
I'm waiting for the day Zelezny record falls. Johannes Vetter came strikingly close with a 97.76 meter throw in 2020. If and when someone breaks Zelezny's record, they'll probably have to revise the javelin for a third time.
@@andrewkatz6649I sure hope that never becomes the case because the javelin was always an impliment that was meant for great distances.. All the officials need to do is keep a tighter reign on the sector and potential skewer victims..🤙
@@JamesWoods-yu2kfagreed, people just need to be left behind a 150m mark. Plenty of distance from a javelin.
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Records are meant to be broken. One day someone in very good shape will succeed. But Zelezny is the GOAT not only because of his record. He has won 3x Olympic gold, 1x Olympic silver, 3x World Championship gold and 2x World Championship bronze.
When Zelezny threw his 98.48m, people were predicting him to break the 100m mark soon. Instead, he soon seriously injured. Most javelin throwers can only maintain very top form for a short part of their career. Zelezny made a recovery from his injury and won his third Olympic gold. However, he never attacked a WR again.
BTW even Zelezny himself said that his record throw was not technically ideal. So he really had a chance to break 100m. But in javelin, you need a lot of things to be optimal in one event to break the record.
Zelezny was very clever not to break 100m. So the jawelin was not changed again and we can see how long it takes to break his record .
Fun fact: the javelin used by Uwe Hohn for his WR in 1984 was designed by Miklos Nemeth who set the WR in 1976.
Not correct. Hohn threw the Held spear that dominated the early 80s. Nemeth's spears were purple...
4:40 When the officials at the end of the tape are all sprinting away from you it's a good hit.
That slip damaged his ankle and it got worse as the rounds progressed. He kept throwing warm up throws through the competition, just to load up everything on the last one. With a busted support leg, that is supposed to be stomped on the throw line and transfer the running energy to the hand and to the javelin. His growl ends up in an "ai" which is a cry of pain. Seppo Räty is not the kind of guy who cries from pain.
As one could expect from such a Finn! As a Swede I would've been way more surprised if he had withdrawn - two legs and two arms more or less attached to his torso good dose of sisu and off to compete!
People are both incredibly resilient and shockingly fragile. People have fallen to minor wounds that become infected while others are still standing against incredible falls. We can't tolerate too much salt or we would suffer heart problems while we're capable of surviving vicious animal attacks. It's both scary and amazing that we're that fragile and that tough.
I like it when we show and celebrate that which shows our more resilient side. In a world where negativity bias dominates, it's nice to have a reminder that we're unyielding creatures.
He probably thought he slightly turned it and just powered through it
I tried to walk off a broken ankle thinking I badly turned it but then realised I couldn't walk because I broke all three bones
that happens to every athlete at some point in every sport
@@benchgoblinyah, contrary to popular belief, professional sport isn't very good for your body.
I think this just means the javelin event needs to be moved to a more optimal venue. Instead of limiting the distance because of space, just increase the space.
This!
Yeah, you wouldnt hold an archery tournament in a stadium like this and you definitely wouldnt have people behind the targets
The problem is that tracks and stadia cost a lot of money to build, and a large number would already be in existence, with it being too expensive to reubild every every existing track or stadium bigger to accomodate a longer javelin area, and in some cases impossible if the adjacent land necessary wasn't available to them for whatever reason. It wouldn't have been in the governing body's interest to increase the regulation length of javelin throwing areas and suddenly prevent probably the majority of venues from being able to host javelin events.
@@MrDannyDetail you're telling me they can't make space in archery, or rifle, or a soccer stadium. Move it out of the track and field area ENTIRELY is what I'm saying. It doesn't HAVE to stay there.
@@jennstewart3003 Well, I guess we should ask the javelin throwers what they'd prefer. A : Modify the javelin so none of them can throw it further than 90 meters and keep them in the same stadium than every other athlets with 10s of thousands of people in the crowd or B : Have them alone in a field throwing their optimal javelin 180 meters away with no crowd and few media coverage...
I was a young javelin thrower when this happened, just learning the event, and my dad told me about him throwing 97 metres after he heard about it on the radio. It took my club a while to get the new design javelins, but when they did, even the kiddie ones I was throwing went nearly 10 metres less distance!!!!
Javelin: Flies too far.
Me: "Make the field longer!"
Thanos: "Make the javelin worse."
that would effect other events
The field could not be longer because the stadium are not bigger ;)
@@frantisekjanacek2602It would also make the track more than 400 metres
Have the event take place not in the middle of the field.
@@owlsayssouthwhere? How do we get to this magical place with endless flat open space?
Boy, it’d be interesting to see his distance with an earlier, optimized version of the javelin…
Well, in 56 it was thrown 112.5m at the Olympics, they just didn´t like a Spaniard peasant humiliating nordic countries so the IAAF changed the rules afterwards to strip away the title and record. Legit.
You run the risk of injuring the athletes on regular basis. Professional baseball suffers from this already since the best pitchers throw the ball so fast it causes a trauma. Javelin throw distance is a function of throw speed, so by keeping it limited you also limit direct injuries from throwing it.
There should be separate categories for different types of javelins. Or if there's only one leaderboard, throw results should be adjusted by the effective range loss percentage from a different mandated design.
I’m sorry Mr Beamon, your jump is disqualified because you jumped beyond the length of the sand pit. You could have hurt someone!
Plenty of scope in stadiums to lengthen long jump pits. Not quite the same scope for a longer infield. Having the scratch line further back is an option I've never seen explored.
😂😂😂😂
😂 and we’ll have to feed you more cheeseburgers to change your centre of mass
The original changes to javelin specs pushed throwers such as myself and many others out of the event. It became much more of a strength event.
Absolutely right. Most people don't know about this fact.
Why's that? Wasn't this Scandinavian giant throwing out of the field already winning due to strength? Oh you mean the change before that? What exactly made it more strength based after that?
@@ninjafruitchilled You clearly know nothing about javelin throwing.
@@gregallan2842 Sure, I just wanted to know what the reason was.
@@ninjafruitchilled since no one actually bothered to answer, I got you. The main thing it comes down to is the center of balance on the javelin. When they moved it, it wasn't perfectly balanced anymore, meaning you needed more strength for it to fly and stay in the air for as long as it did without the change. The more change = the more strength required to do what was originally not very taxing, ergo pushing out the people that don't have as much strength. With the changes, it basically becomes who can muscle it out the furthest, not technique which is what track and field is really about :/
This is literally the only media I have ever seen regarding the javelin event which made me care about it. Well done, sir.
because it probably is the only javelin media you have seen
They banned the discus type throw for the javelin. But it’s proven that if done right it destroyed records by 30 meters. But they didn’t like that during the windup the javelin would point at the crowd lol.
I had no idea that was a thing! Interesting.
Yeah, I mean there’s a good reason they have a huge cage around the person swinging around in the hammer throw.
When you look at the records you have to go to non legal throws to find Ratys throws which were legal at the time but go down to the freethrow category and youll see a distance of 99.25m achieved in 1956....
it was with a spinning technique where the javelin would be held at the hip
Miguel de la Quadra-Salcedo 112.30 m
The speed of the second change probably has as much to do with bureaucratic inertia as it does with the quality of either of the two throws. Once they decided the javelin could be changed, changing it again would be less of a big deal.
The records count. Each reset generates a new category.
Not the case here as the governing body which determines what stands as a world record removed the status of the throws.
@@Darthiya That's not exactly what was specified in the video, though the narrator did word it that way. The idea seems to be the notion that the present record is somehow the only one. If the officials literally specified that they are stripping past records of recognition, then I need to be shown the evidence of that announcement, because I find that hard to believe. Otherwise, we see the historical facts: the present category may overshadow some past ones, but the historical record of those categories and the best scores therein still exist.
I think this is a case of the script justifying the clickbait thumbnail by phrasing things in a slightly overdramatic way.
If there is proof to convince me, then I am open to being convinced. Otherwise, I still think the official record notes the top scores in retired categories.
@@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah Wikipedia summarizes it as "Modifications that manufacturers made to recover some of the lost distance, by increasing tail drag (using holes, rough paint or dimples), were forbidden at the end of 1991 and performances made using implements with such modifications removed from the record books. Seppo Räty had achieved a world record of 96.96 m (318.1 ft) in 1991 with such a design, but this record was nullified."
On Seppo Räty's own wikipedia article, it says the following:
"His personal best throw of 96.96 m, set in 1991, was one of his two world records with the "new javelin" at the time, however this throw was made using a "Nemeth" javelin that was banned by the IAAF later that year. All records made using this javelin were retrospectively deleted as from 20.9.1991 but remain ratified world records recognised by the IAAF. His best throw with the current javelin is 90.60 m, achieved in 1992."
This sounds basically like the IAAF went "You can keep your world record, but it's not a *Javelin* world record, so we won't put it in our Javelin records list".
(Also, Seppo Räty's personal best improved by more than ten meters in 1991, the only year he appears to have been using the "modified Javelin".)
@@Winchester1979 Thanks.
I don't think the video mentioned the javelin being altered to recover some of the distance, I thought it said they each were designed to lose distance, but it's been awhile since I watched this.
So the IAAF say the record exists, but the thing thrown wasn't a javelin, so it's some super niche category then.
@@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah It was actually mentioned in the video, but you may have missed it - adding drag to the back end of the javelin makes it so the point stays up longer, which makes it fly further. But yeah, basically he has the world record for throwing a *modified* post-1986 javelin, but since the sport is not about throwing modified javelins, it's not part of the javelin record canon.
would be interesting to optimize the javelin as much as possible and see how far a human could take it? Are there other throwing objects that would take it even furter with optimisation? Like a discus or frisbee of some sort?
In the 1980s there was a toy called Aerobie (not sure of the spelling). Maybe they still make them, I dunno. It was like a Frisbee but with no centre and a curved upper surface that acted as a wing. It held (according to the Guiness book I owned at the time) the world record for farthest thrown object on flat ground, something like 250 m. Just crazy good aerodynamics. I remember that my dad and uncle could throw ours across the entire football field at the track, about 100 m...and they were not Olympic athletes.
@@glenm99I remember those. I had one as a teenager and could throw it over 100m. I think the record at the time was over 400m
Longest throw is by a random dude with a boomerang, it was over 400m i thought. I think an olympic javelin thrower could throw it 600m+
Did it come back?
The Aerobie rules distance. 426 meters. Golf disc, 335 meters. However these records are for commercial purposes so they go to places with strong updrafts. Thin air due to altitude or heat helps a lot too. I think it is kind of silly. The indoor record is maybe 143 meters which seems awfully low. I've often thrown a golf disc 115 meters and I'm nothing special. I threw a modified disc 135 meters, no wind. Maybe they have trouble finding empty indoor spaces that large. The record was set inside of an aircraft carrier. You can be pretty sure it was at sea level.
The change of the implement was not because Hohn threw so far but because there were so many flat or near flat throws and so much discussion about foul or not. The committee proposing the rule change was already finished when Hohn threw over 100 meter.
After todays Results I am interested to know how great is Arshad Nadeem's achievement of throwing 92.97 with the new Javelin and again scoring 91+m in his last attempt crossing the 90m barrier twice in a single event.
I feel like removing records is kind of silly, why not just draw a line after javelin changes where you would count completely new records so they all could co-exist through any javelin changes
That's what they did.
Miguel de la Quadra Salcedo did 112.30 m in 1956, but the Federation changed the rules because he used rotation and that was dangerous.
What's rotation?
@dajay2k it's what you do in hammer throw.
@@heraclito3114 I think you aren't telling the truth
Arshad Nadeem from Pakistan just broke the Olympic record with incredible throw of 92.97 m , His massive improvement from Tokyo 87m to Paris two 90+ throws is incredible and in near future he may set new records in javelin history.
Golf has the same problem. The equipment manufacturers improve the distance of their clubs and balls. This screws up the challenges that the courses present. The USGA tried to limit the distances. The equipment people sued the USGA. The USGA gave up and instead moved the tees back on the championship courses.
A bit ago the golf ball change was made for this reason. Think it's still going through?
It's been like since the last millennium in golf.
It would be cool to see modern day javelin throwers once in a while have competition with old javelins
Thanks for the amazing story I never would have heard anywhere else.
Absolutely LOVE this type of stuff, and share it with my dad who loves it too.
Thanks again
This is SPARTA !......spear flies from Athens to Babylon.
Soooo… why from Athens and not from Sparta?
And wouldn't from Athens to Marathon be far enough?
So, Arshad Nadeem if he had a chance to throw from an old Javelin would challenge his record of 96 meters.
Thanks for this. As a long time aficionado of track and field this history lesson was fascinating.
The part about Hohn's throw being the reason why the javelin design was changed is wrong.
Notice the number 92 on Räty, the thought was he would throw 92 meters, hence the number.
That record 96,96m In Punkaharju, there is metal rod in the ground at the spot.
wow, thats cooool
3:40 look at how the javelin is being twisted! That throw had so much power.
Cool video! Räty is a legend here in Finland
Music name at 2:34?
Congratulations from Pakistan to Arshad Nadeem for making all of us proud with his Olympic Record!
Hes gonna get caught doping in 10 years time and he’ll lose the medal
@@FMM8Channel crying much?
@@watcheronly71 I dont cry ever im a fucking beast who shits while standing but the fact its his second huge competition and he threw that with so little speed is a little suspect ngl
@@FMM8Channel Dude u think Olympic official are dummies? They don't do dope tests before or after the matches?
Erasing history 1:37 Bruce Jenner in a fetching blazer & tie combo describing how the lengths & grip of a Javelins shaft have altered over the years!!
Who’s watching this after Arshad Nadeem set the olympic world record in the paris olympics 2024
Me
not me
(just algorithm)
but ... now I'm going to go find Arshad Nadeem (so ty for that)
Seppo Räty is one of the biggest Finnish legends. He and the ski jumper Matti Nykänen are responsible of half of the funny quotes used by Finns to this day.
After throwing this javelin competition in Punkalaidun, reporter wanted to know why he was so good: "I've been getting so good food that I've put in 5 kilos."
On preparing for Barcelona Olympics: "I've been driving around with Mika Halvari because it's been so cold."
Explaining his smile and handwaving at medal ceremony: "I waved just to fuck around."
On losing a competition in Germany: "Germany is a shit country."
On preparations for Helsinki EC 1994: "I rest or get drunk."
Before 1996 Atlanta Olympics: 500 000 marks in cold cash in my hand, and the stick flies over 100 metres."
"Before leaving for Atlanta I decided that I wouldn't speak one word English. Speaking Finnish would have to suffice."
"I can throw 60m standing still."
"I feel pity for (Usain Bolt's) wife, girlfriend or girlfriends. The guy is done under 20 seconds and already dripping in sweat."
Sports reporter asking him to say something with substance/weight: "Caterpillar."
On losing a Mercedes in Stuttgart that they gave out to winners: "I didn't even want one, because it's a shabby car."
Said to a female javelin thrower Heli Rantanen on the pitch in Atlanta 1996 "Throw so hard that your pussy tears up." and "Throw so hard that you'll piss yourself." Heli won gold.
When asked if he'll do a victory lap: "I won't go unless they force me."
About an upcoming 20-something thrower: "They can concentrate only on two things. If you try to study, do sports and fuck, there's one thing too many. You can study later."
I think all this sounds a lot funnier in Finnish. Not to bash you, I just suspect it. 🙏🏻
“Throw so hard that your pussy tears up” is one of the best worst hype-up lines I’ve ever heard lmao
This guy sounds like he would be right at home here in Australia. What a legend on and off the field 😂
fantastic
I almost skewered my P.E. teacher at school when we did javelin throwing. It was “only” about 56 metres but he was stood a couple of feet from where it landed. Everyone else was throwing more like 30m so he stood down range at around 55m. I had a good arm on me lol. I also got the school record for the discus throw at the time. Running 100m was my thing though, so I didn’t really pursue javelin or discus.
i hate that they slowed down the javelin, they should instead longer field and let anyone use whatever javelin they want and whatever technique they want, i want to see the how far it can go using the most optimal technique and materials, if your putting limits ,you might as well just use a wooden stick as it in no way shape or form represents the best of human capability
You've got a point, but I'll suggest some other lines of thinking. First and foremost, the javelin throw should be a contest of athletes, not a contest of aerodynamics engineers. I don't care what design they fix on, so long as they don't keep changing it. Second, the javelin guys often share the arena with other sports, which require the track to be a certain size. I'm not sure there's any leeway for a bigger field!
@@hoi-polloi1863 The humans ability to make and use tools is one of our core traits, what defines us and sets us apart, not to mention a necessity in these events as the javelins already need to be made and optimized for the event, the olympics should be about showing the greatest feats humans can achieve which a good javelin is a necessity for, making the human limits currently unknowable in the format, plus a reputable aerodynamic engineer, someone more intellectually inclined and devoting more time to studies, doesnt have a shot in hell at winning this event no matter how much they understand a javelin because the people who win wake up and throw their arms out every day to get a little bit further their bodies are optimized for throwing and the act of throwing that exact javelin ingrained into their muscle memory. Athleticism, and more importantly, achieving results in the olympics isnt just about strength, its also about body control, speed, flexibility, and technique, which matters an incredible amount always, no matter how little you change the javelin, its going to somehow change the way you need to throw to achieve the furthest distance
@@JMessika I don't mind advances in javelin design, so long as (a) everybody uses the same one, and (b) the field is big enough that the throws stay inside it. The main thing I dislike about changing the jav is that it makes it harder to compare older-generation champions against newer.
@@JMessika Obviously a aerodynamic engineer wouldn't win the event themselves. They would work with a javelin thrower to optimise the javelin for them.
There have been plenty of controversies about the equipment used by a particular athlete or team in different sporting events at the olympics giving them an unfair advantage, such as swimsuits and bicycles.
@@nathangamble125 why did you feel the need to explain this to me. I never said anything to imply differently or that I thought javelins shouldn't have a standardized form
Genie. “you have one wish”
Me. “I want to roll my R’s!!!!”
That's something you can learn quite easily. We're not a different species from you, you know?
@@Nahkasetämiesseems hard for English speaking people though.
@@Nahkasetämies"quite easily" it's always funny when ignorant people try to call other people ignorant.
@@janitorizamped What an ironic statement. There's actual speech therapy dedicated to teaching the r rolling and usually takes a few months at most, and we're talking about challenged children here. "Normal" functioning adults should pick it up way faster. It's literally all about the position of the tongue.
@@Nahkasetämies if you have to take speech therapy, then it's not easy... "Normal" functioning adults often learn slower than children who are developing. Nothing you just said in anyway backs up your first comment. Your first comment was incredibly ignorant.
Fascinating!
And while I do agree that it's an absolutely insane throw by Raty that made the associations change the sport again basically immediately, I do wanna point out how impressive it is that they took 2 years after the >100m throw from Uwe Hohn and *nobody managed to beat it in that time*.
To me that just means that yes, he had an easier time than any athlete after the change because of the way the javeling was built. But he was also clearly the best because nobody could beat him with that javelin.
Perhaps your best work right there!
Who's here after Olympic 2024 record by Arshad??
😮
Olympics: Lets see the capabilities of humans.
Also the Olympics: lets limit them.
Was wondering if you can do some digging into the advent of super shoes and how these will affect high jump, pole vault, triple jump, and even long jump. Watched the javelin and was wondering if the shoes could have any effect on it - my mind says it might but it hasn’t been tested yet. But those other events might have the WR threatened by the shoes. Personally, I would hate for the High Jump WR to be broken because of shoes. It would feel quite hollow. But I’m not sure if this could actually happen.
Thank you for sharing!
Would love to see a championship where any kind of spears would be allowed, to see how far an optimal spear could be thrown
If people are getting so good they threaten the spectators, move the spectators. How did nobody think to do this?
It is expensive, you lose spectators, you damage the stadium
i wouldnt say there was more urgency to change the rules the second time, but because it was done before, they new what to do, that no one would complain etc.
1:04 priof that Jason Statham is an immortal.
Wow, great pronunciation of Räty!
They should allow the old records to be broken by using only the same type/style of Javelin that was used to set that record. Doesn't make any sense to change up the Javelin making it less likely to travel as far as the previous ones used before it.
A few errors in this video. It wasn't that the IAAF needed to change the rules because the javelins was going too far - that's evidenced by the fact that Jan's WR is significantly further than Seppo's 96.96m.
The issue was that two javelin manufacturers noticed a loophole in the javelin specs in the rules, and started working to introduce elements to the javelin design where they could claim it was within the rules. First Nemeth introduced the roughened edge at the back of the jav, then in response (I think it was...) Nordic who added some "spiraled" tape around the end. Both had the effect of altering the aerodynamics to increase the hang time but still allowed the javelin to pitch point down, which was the problem with the old pre 1986 javelin.
So the IAAF disallowed the record as it was basically breaking the rules. They clarified the tech specs of the jav and off we went - the record goes back to 89.58m and it was never a problem again. Sort of like a wind assisted run/jump. For example, the TJ WR of 18.29m is a bit less than Jon Edwards all time biggest jump of 18.43m disallowed because it was windy.
Time to update the video. Arshad Nadeem is cooking.
i was a kid learning how to throw back in those days. still have those nike javelin boots that Raty wore, black and luminous yellow. great times for throwing.
This man is a Viking, what a boss.
At 3:00 the British announcer sounds like he is coming straight from his Monty Python routine.
Here after the 2024 olympic world record
There was no javelin world record at the olympics
Don't know why this came up in my feed, but great video! No affiliaton with athletics whatsoever but I found this very informative
I understand there being safety concerns, but isn't the correct solution to simply increase the size of the field?
Fields, yes. Stadiums, not so much. There's a running track around the inner field, that's 400m long...
I'm not very interested in javelin throws but OMG this is ridiculously crazy! Mad respect for the Chad that changed the rules of the sport
Who else is here after the 2024 Olympics javelin record?
Me.
You would think they would add 1 Kg or 2 to make the distance manageable
thanks, as cool as the +100m story
96.96
Bro really went from track and field to art classes😂
Thanks for covering Rätys story.
3:50
Did he just double wind breaker? Next level
Incorrect info. The correct info is that there was already talk about changing the design before Hohn's legendary throw and all that throw did is speed up the implementation of what was already in the works. They knew a massive throw would happen, they just didn't know it would be so soon. The javelin was changed not BECAUSE of Hohn's throw but because his massive throw was premature.
"Coincidentally, the guy that broke the record broke it again."
Omg what a spooky coincidence
I'm officially team Seppo!!!
Distance thrown/safety WAS NOT the reason the javelin was changed in 1984- it was to insure a point first landing, so judges did not have to make a judgement of fair or foul. The rules were changed in 1982, but gave javelin companies 2 years to develop the new designs and give athletes time for everyone to gain access to the new models. Rules changed in 1982; new rules announced in 1984; new implements used in 1986.
And then comes Arshad Nadeem. Breaking all of it.
Imagine changing the rules of the event and completely invalidating the hard work people put into reaching world records instead of just adding 10 meters to the length of the field💀
background music name please
The same thing happened with the U.S. M1 Rifle used in WWII. Not only did some commanders not allow the full 8 round clips, limiting the troops to 3 or 1 round clips, when the rifle was being tested, the range exceeded the “safe zone” for the shooting ranges, so the Army brass developed the M2 round with a shorter range - they removed some of the boat tail from the end of the round. The US fought WW II with an hobbled rifle, so the shooting ranges didn’t need to be changed.
Clip claim is bogus for sure, probably the rest as well.
what a great story, and thank you for telling it so well!
Nadeem 92m
Being able to throw anythinggg 100m is just ridiculous, insane biomechanics, strength and simply just raw power needed
We need 4 Olympic events for all spots:
1. The average Joe Olympics.
2. The current Olympics.
3. The "Let's see how good we are without drugs" Olympics, i.e. modifying equipment to however you damn well want, just go fast, jump high and throw far.
4. And the cheaters Olympic.
Let's see how good an athlete is within rules compared to a normal human, and then compare them to the other 2 categories and see what we are really capable off without rules.
Why not extend the field further back??
He wasn't erased from history at all. Completely bogus title!
His record was actually rescinded starting in September of 1991. Unlike the previous record that still stands using the old specifications, Seppo's record was technically erased from the record books and the mark of 89.58 of Steve Backely from 1990 was placed back on top at the time.
@@TotalRunningProductions As I said, bogus title. You need to understand the meaning of words!
Just watched a full video about very complicated sticks and their dramatic throwing, and it was great 😆
Bruce Jenner there holding his javelin before he decided to throw it away for good.
The javelin wasn't changed due to throwing distances. They were, at the time, already planning on changing the javelin as the point wasn't sticking down enough and was putting the ruling of whether it counted into the hands of the judges, which was causing many disputes.
whose here after ARSHAD NADEEM broke the olympic record.....
Those people running around on the field while a sharp javelin is hurling through the air must have huge balls.
i understand why the changes were made but they shouldnt have deleted those distances imo, there should be annotations next to them or a seperate section for each iteration of the javelin, the athletes shouldnt be penalised for pushing the boundaries past what was considered safe
This video is guilty of deadnaming!!!
Why because they played a historical video of a well known figure give it a rest
Go vertically, deep, immediately.
Some of the funniest threads I have seen in years 😂
I thought they were trolling at first but nah some people would actually be Thanos! 😂
I owe disney an apology. Thanos is a very realistic character and based in reality. There are many people with his sort of motivation and point of view.
"Where would we get more space?" "The stadium size!" "Other events would be affected!" "They had to cut the world record!" "Where would we get infinite space!?"
Me: Go Outside. Any field. You only need like 150m.
Would be interesting to have than just counting the horizontal distance. Would be great to have competitions for height and for accuracy too😊😊
Next javelin throw legend is Arshad nadeem who just broke the Olympics world record
Jojo Vetter's 97.74m is arguably the true world record given it was inside a stadium. Zelezny's WR had a nice tailwind.
Imagining this guy traveling back to 110BC and absolutely dominating in a Romain legion, throwing it like 150m
Why de-optimize the javelin when all you need is to move away the audience where the javelin is thrown into?
Because giant stadium are slightly more expensive than javeline
Although there could've been "more urgency" to change the rules during the second reset, that's not how these things work out. When the first reset was originally proposed it was well before 100 had been reached, while world records and personal bests were getting further and further at rapid speeds. Fundamental R&D was denied under the assumption that 100+ was impossible, and once it was real the idea of changing the sport was heavily controversial and there were alot of disagreements between what should be changed, if anything, thus taking 2 years to complete. After reseting once, the bodies that had formed to come out with new ideas didn't just vanish and instead continued to study and notice rapidly increasing times again. Feedback from athletes from the first reset, continued R&D, and more importantly the lack of overal controversy since large scale changes had been done before, vastly increased the time that the new guidelines could be imposed. The next time it changes again it will be just as fast or even faster, regardless of how quickly the athletes are improving.
I'm absolutely not saying he's bad or not deserving of an urgent rules change, the guy is clearly an insanely great athlete, it's just that it's worth pointing out that changes to sports often start with heavy controversy, and once the first changes come into effect, it's alot easier and more accepted to make future changes. Once athletes and fans get out of the "this game is sacred and should never change" mindset, the idea of changing the game to make it more fun, rewarding, competitive, or simply to iron out missing or bad rules is something that overall a good thing for sports.
I think Javelin's are the only thing in which the actual event is literally 'designed' to prevent you from performing at your best.....
Imagine how far they could chunk actual 'war-javelins', if they are flinging ones quite literally designed 'not' to fly, over 80 meters.