What did you think of the new video format guys? Made some changes in the review style. Let me know! See my subwoofer playlist! ruclips.net/p/PLc5igrpIPU7UQ5zaDwfeDmqzcqlOFvCPV
Chatting with SVS, they recommended dual SB-2000 Pro for audiophile music in a 30sqm room, as I didn't want to go higher in range/price for dual. They said that for music, the 3000 micro doesn't have enough output and the ported 2000s are not so accurate. I have floorstanders that can go down to 29hz (Triangle Australe) and they said that for a maximum listening levels of 85db, the SB-2000Pro will perform good enough. Initially I was fixed on PC-2000 Pro but the SVS team comvinced me for the sealed. Currently waiting for delivery.
Thanks for your honest review. If the old sb 2000 sounds almost the same as the pro version, then I think it's better I just get the old one as it costs 400 Euro less in my country. The sb 2000 is 699Euro, while the pro version is 1,099Euro. 400 Euro extra only for the app and no blue light is a bit exaggerated, with little to almost no difference in audible sound experience.
Great review man !!! Congratulations , you have completed the below 1000 euros subwoofer megatest. The conclusion is sb3000 micro for music and xtz 12.17 edge for movies, I guess..😛
@@geezerintotech Hmmm buddy...Check if you can review some arendals 1723 1s or 1961 1s , I was going to pull the trigger to one of those but the fact that there was a sale on svs and they don't have an app ,kept me back. If you find out that these things are above expectations I am going to sell the svs micros :P :P
@@Nickceid I am looking into Arendal :) Just so you know the 60 day buy and try is good but if you don't like it, you have to spend 10% of the value to send it back. For example if the subwoofer is 2000 euro, then send back would cost 200 euro. Maximum is £199 (so about 220 euro). I think this lets down Arendal sub a little bit because the trial isn't exactly risk free. They come from Norway so I can understand the reasoning though (their customer service is excellent and you get a 10 year warranty so there are pluses). Just thought you should know this mate
As always love seeing your videos. Maybe one day I'll buy a subwoofer that will actually work in my room but currently, my Cheto (E36 328i) is sucking me dry with a cooling overhaul... Never thought I would spend so much on a car but it is a dream to drive around. I like the new format and how you try to improve your content not only visually but with evidence from other sources (well picked by the way) when you know your limitations (of your room or others). However this flickering makes my eyes bleed. Nonetheless, this is just a minor thing and surely can be addressed. Don't forget to keep up the great work, especially as you got what it takes to be big on youtube. The informative, unbiased (or acknowledged bias), and very entertaining nature of your videos along with the caveman theme, makes you unique! Best regards Simon
Hello Simon! Mate, this comment made me crack up so badly! 😂😂😂 'Flickering makes my eyes bleed' 😂😂😂😂 It's so annoying because after I shot the footage I noticed the problem and I was like 'Oh FFFFSSS!' 👊👊🔪🔪 🪓🪓 💣💣 Basically the LED lights in my room are flickering at 50hz and the camera's shutter is set to 1/60 of a second - so they don't match up and that's what's caused this problem I think. An easy fix which I hope not to repeat! That 328i brings back good memories - we had a convertible 328i for about 2 weeks when I was 8 or 9 years old (short term company car). It's when I fell in love with BMW. Very brave of you to buy this car - I bet you're spending loads to keep it running smoothly. Thanks again Simon and take care. Love to see you around the comments section as always!
Nice video, I've been wanting a svs sub for a while. I'll probably get the sb 1000pro. Here in Canada the sb 2000 pro is $400 more and I don't know if it's worth it to pay that much extra. What do you think? Is the 2000 pro a lot better than the 1000 pro?
I think the 2000 pro is a worthwhile upgrade, yes - but the sb3000 is the best value lb for lb and $ for $, I think. It really is alot better than the 2000 pro and that's the direction I would head in if you have the money
I can be considered as a audiophile because I have a sensitive hear and care about the sound quality of each frequency. I mostly listen music and not movie. The SB looks to be the better choice because the PB is more muddy not so accurate
For music only looking for most slam/attack, max volume and low end extension- SB3000 micro or SB2000Pro? I listen to heavy electronic music and full symphonic music at high volume 100dB+ Weight is a factor so nothing heavier than the SB2000Pro. Your videos are great.
My room would be 4x4 open living room. Cannot decide about the sub to go with q acoustics 5.1 system. What would you recommend xtx 12.7, arendal 1961v tempted to go with svs pb 1000pro but not sure if the premium for svs in Europe is worth it...
I'd go with the 12.17 edge or the Arendal. I think the Arendal is teh better looking subwoofer and is probably slightly better made. However, with the XTZ you get port tuning options to tailor your sound a bit more. As for the sound quality, I can't say I've heard this Arendal model but I've heard great things. I'd expect it to be as good as, if not better than the XTZ. At least with those two companies you get 30-60 day buy and try guarantee. Arendal is a much better company to deal with though - XTZ customer service is pretty sucky by comparison.
@@geezerintotech cheers for reply. Watched your comparison videos between svs and xtz very cool ! . Now im Still wondering between sealed arendal or ported one. Arendal is made of hdf so that can matter over xtz. What is your room size BTW? Worried that ported sub might sound to boomy in relative small living room with bookshelf speakers.
@@sieq82 The HDF doesn't really make a difference sonically. There are loads of good quality subs made of MDF. The reason a few people use HDF is because you can use less of it and therefore you can make slightly smaller designs compared to MDF. I think it's more of a marketing thing than anything. Room size is about 6m x 3.2m It's considered a medium-sized room by THX standards
@@geezerintotech thanks for all your replies and work. I pulled the trigger on arendal 1961 vented sub. Have it for few days and despite my initial shock on how big and heavy it is for this sub class 36kg I'm quite shocked...never had or heared quality subwoofer in home environment. The sub is still breaking in but I have to admit it's a huge jump from q acoustics 3060 to this. It's a weird felling that suddenly you hear music with a bass that is textured and with flavour rather than just boom boom. This can and will do really big boom when it needs to especially in movies but its probably more impressive with music for me. Waiting for your impressions with svs ultra you mad man ;) 😉
@@sieq82 Glad to hear it - once you pull the trigger it is hard to go back to less. I also have a special subwoofer on top of that svs that i'll be revealing soon hehe
Best thing about your videos... no matter what you throw out there somebody's always learning! Would I be right in believing... best to have big subwoofer drivers for movies and small fast subwoofer drivers for music? Man if I had your ability to play different musical instruments I'd be sure to let my subscribers know about it (ending with a 30-second musical clip would be so cool!)
Thanks for this mate! Love to read your comments and support as always! Well, the thing about big vs small drivers is generally the smaller drivers are better suited to the normal bass range. It's just when you hit the sub-bass range when things get difficult for the driver and this results in distortion. The thing is Dolby originally envisaged 5 full range speakers for home cinema...and that's why the LFE channel was added to incorporate a subwoofer (because most people cannot possibly have 5 full range speakers in a standard household). So there is a balancing act that you have to kind of pull off to get a clean sound in your living room: very tough indeed! Thanks for your support with the music haha. I've been thinking about this actually - I like the clip at the end idea. I am kind of torn between bloopers and music .. maybe I will try both. Very difficult this youtube game though because you always have to think about what people want to see, and if you stray from that, the youtube algorithm can murder you 😂😂😂. So disheartening to put effort into reviews and then you get 100 views over a 1-month period!
@@geezerintotech the best thing about this channel is the way you keep it real! There are too many RUclips pleasers out there who tend to put the their effort into what they think their viewers want to hear, but realy all we want, is the unbiased truth preferably with a joke or a tune thrown in.
past tense..'had' hehe. Yeah I've finished testing it now. Basically there's going to be quite a bit of content coming out about the SVS range..still a few videos left. I'm trying to address different things in all the videos, otherwise they get a bit complicated and hard to follow
I'm looking at dual subs for music 100%. It's my first time dual-ing 😙 Anyone want to set me straight between two svs micro3000 vs two rel t7x? Keep in mind I'm in US, so svs can be bought today, down the street, for $800 US and the rel are $1100ish. No app with the REL and I'm a bit of a tweaker with my setup and like to change sub gain depending on type of music I listen to. I am after SQ first and foremost. Smallish room 10ft x 13ft dedicated listening space so I'm free to do whatever layout is most conducive to SQ..
i'd go with the SVS. Way more stable (rels like dancing around your room) - also more fairly priced. You also get the SVS app to make adjustments - useful for stereo applications especially.
@@geezerintotech thx for the knowledge and opinion. My biggest concern is how much SQ I lose out on in the lower mid bass with the svs vs. Rel. I know the svs can probably hit hard down low, but I want musicality in the upper part. My stand mount speakers are not bassy at all so I have a considerable amount of fill needed down there. Am I losing much at all going with the svs? Speed and clarity?
@@erics.4113 well, typically the higher up the registers you go, the more these frequencies are suited to smaller diameter drivers. So potentially the RELs might be better suited for your needs. Only way is to try my friend :) Do you have home trial options?
![SVS SB 3000: I was actually impressed with this subwoofer. [Review, Measurements, vs SB 2000 Pro]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wc10eRisnxQ/mqdefault.jpg)
What did you think of the new video format guys? Made some changes in the review style.
Let me know!
See my subwoofer playlist!
ruclips.net/p/PLc5igrpIPU7UQ5zaDwfeDmqzcqlOFvCPV
Could you compare the SB2000 Pro to the REL 1205? They both compete in the same segment and I've heard a lot of good things about REL.
Chatting with SVS, they recommended dual SB-2000 Pro for audiophile music in a 30sqm room, as I didn't want to go higher in range/price for dual. They said that for music, the 3000 micro doesn't have enough output and the ported 2000s are not so accurate. I have floorstanders that can go down to 29hz (Triangle Australe) and they said that for a maximum listening levels of 85db, the SB-2000Pro will perform good enough. Initially I was fixed on PC-2000 Pro but the SVS team comvinced me for the sealed. Currently waiting for delivery.
Hey great video, What size do you recommend of the SVS line for movies for a 3.6M x 3M x 2.7M (11sqm) apartment room.
Thanks!
Thanks for your honest review. If the old sb 2000 sounds almost the same as the pro version, then I think it's better I just get the old one as it costs 400 Euro less in my country. The sb 2000 is 699Euro, while the pro version is 1,099Euro. 400 Euro extra only for the app and no blue light is a bit exaggerated, with little to almost no difference in audible sound experience.
smart move.. i think thats a great buy
i have the SVS PB2000 pro - i decided on getting ported last year tbh very happy with it
I think you made the right choice if you want an all-round good quality subwoofer mate!
Hi MDT, I like the changes and the room look really nice. 😉 👍
Keep the coming, you're doing great! 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Mij ☺
Thank you Mij my man!
I will indeed keep them coming!
-MDT
Great review man !!! Congratulations , you have completed the below 1000 euros subwoofer megatest. The conclusion is sb3000 micro for music and xtz 12.17 edge for movies, I guess..😛
Haha not so fast Nikos my old buddy!
More reviews coming out...I have a few curveballs coming!
Thanks for the support as always :D
@@geezerintotech Hmmm buddy...Check if you can review some arendals 1723 1s or 1961 1s , I was going to pull the trigger to one of those but the fact that there was a sale on svs and they don't have an app ,kept me back. If you find out that these things are above expectations I am going to sell the svs micros :P :P
PS. They have a 60 days return policy as far as I know ;)
@@Nickceid I am looking into Arendal :)
Just so you know the 60 day buy and try is good but if you don't like it, you have to spend 10% of the value to send it back.
For example if the subwoofer is 2000 euro, then send back would cost 200 euro.
Maximum is £199 (so about 220 euro).
I think this lets down Arendal sub a little bit because the trial isn't exactly risk free.
They come from Norway so I can understand the reasoning though (their customer service is excellent and you get a 10 year warranty so there are pluses).
Just thought you should know this mate
As always love seeing your videos. Maybe one day I'll buy a subwoofer that will actually work in my room but currently, my Cheto (E36 328i) is sucking me dry with a cooling overhaul... Never thought I would spend so much on a car but it is a dream to drive around.
I like the new format and how you try to improve your content not only visually but with evidence from other sources (well picked by the way) when you know your limitations (of your room or others). However this flickering makes my eyes bleed. Nonetheless, this is just a minor thing and surely can be addressed. Don't forget to keep up the great work, especially as you got what it takes to be big on youtube. The informative, unbiased (or acknowledged bias), and very entertaining nature of your videos along with the caveman theme, makes you unique!
Best regards
Simon
Hello Simon!
Mate, this comment made me crack up so badly! 😂😂😂
'Flickering makes my eyes bleed' 😂😂😂😂
It's so annoying because after I shot the footage I noticed the problem and I was like 'Oh FFFFSSS!'
👊👊🔪🔪 🪓🪓 💣💣
Basically the LED lights in my room are flickering at 50hz and the camera's shutter is set to 1/60 of a second - so they don't match up and that's what's caused this problem I think.
An easy fix which I hope not to repeat!
That 328i brings back good memories - we had a convertible 328i for about 2 weeks when I was 8 or 9 years old (short term company car). It's when I fell in love with BMW. Very brave of you to buy this car - I bet you're spending loads to keep it running smoothly.
Thanks again Simon and take care. Love to see you around the comments section as always!
Nice video, I've been wanting a svs sub for a while. I'll probably get the sb 1000pro. Here in Canada the sb 2000 pro is $400 more and I don't know if it's worth it to pay that much extra. What do you think? Is the 2000 pro a lot better than the 1000 pro?
I think the 2000 pro is a worthwhile upgrade, yes - but the sb3000 is the best value lb for lb and $ for $, I think. It really is alot better than the 2000 pro and that's the direction I would head in if you have the money
Excellent video. Accurate and informative. Well done, mate.
thanks for the kind words mate
What would be a great near field listening setup? For a PC desktop setup mostly for playing games, lsitening to music, and about 10% movie watching?
I can be considered as a audiophile because I have a sensitive hear and care about the sound quality of each frequency. I mostly listen music and not movie. The SB looks to be the better choice because the PB is more muddy not so accurate
if i'm honest i wouldn't be proud to call myself an audiophile mate
For music only looking for most slam/attack, max volume and low end extension- SB3000 micro or SB2000Pro? I listen to heavy electronic music and full symphonic music at high volume 100dB+ Weight is a factor so nothing heavier than the SB2000Pro. Your videos are great.
higher dB - so i'd go for the 2000 pro if space isn't an issue mate
You're going to lose your hearing at those levels.
@@billybobby7607 Thanks! I'm very careful. I only listen at those levels for only a short time, maybe a 5 min track. Usually I keep it at 85dB.
Please advise. Svs2000pro vs 3000micro. More on movies
definitely 2000 pro
I was hoping you were going to do the comparison in this video between the 3000 micro and sb2000
He did. He said the Micro is better for music. Obviously the bigger sub is gonna get louder, though
yep 'Just Saying' said it right
My room would be 4x4 open living room. Cannot decide about the sub to go with q acoustics 5.1 system. What would you recommend xtx 12.7, arendal 1961v tempted to go with svs pb 1000pro but not sure if the premium for svs in Europe is worth it...
I'd go with the 12.17 edge or the Arendal. I think the Arendal is teh better looking subwoofer and is probably slightly better made.
However, with the XTZ you get port tuning options to tailor your sound a bit more.
As for the sound quality, I can't say I've heard this Arendal model but I've heard great things. I'd expect it to be as good as, if not better than the XTZ.
At least with those two companies you get 30-60 day buy and try guarantee.
Arendal is a much better company to deal with though - XTZ customer service is pretty sucky by comparison.
@@geezerintotech cheers for reply. Watched your comparison videos between svs and xtz very cool ! . Now im Still wondering between sealed arendal or ported one. Arendal is made of hdf so that can matter over xtz. What is your room size BTW? Worried that ported sub might sound to boomy in relative small living room with bookshelf speakers.
@@sieq82 The HDF doesn't really make a difference sonically. There are loads of good quality subs made of MDF. The reason a few people use HDF is because you can use less of it and therefore you can make slightly smaller designs compared to MDF. I think it's more of a marketing thing than anything.
Room size is about 6m x 3.2m
It's considered a medium-sized room by THX standards
@@geezerintotech thanks for all your replies and work. I pulled the trigger on arendal 1961 vented sub. Have it for few days and despite my initial shock on how big and heavy it is for this sub class 36kg I'm quite shocked...never had or heared quality subwoofer in home environment. The sub is still breaking in but I have to admit it's a huge jump from q acoustics 3060 to this. It's a weird felling that suddenly you hear music with a bass that is textured and with flavour rather than just boom boom. This can and will do really big boom when it needs to especially in movies but its probably more impressive with music for me. Waiting for your impressions with svs ultra you mad man ;) 😉
@@sieq82 Glad to hear it - once you pull the trigger it is hard to go back to less.
I also have a special subwoofer on top of that svs that i'll be revealing soon hehe
Best thing about your videos... no matter what you throw out there somebody's always learning!
Would I be right in believing... best to have big subwoofer drivers for movies and small fast subwoofer drivers for music?
Man if I had your ability to play different musical instruments
I'd be sure to let my subscribers know about it (ending with a 30-second musical clip would be so cool!)
Thanks for this mate! Love to read your comments and support as always!
Well, the thing about big vs small drivers is generally the smaller drivers are better suited to the normal bass range. It's just when you hit the sub-bass range when things get difficult for the driver and this results in distortion.
The thing is Dolby originally envisaged 5 full range speakers for home cinema...and that's why the LFE channel was added to incorporate a subwoofer (because most people cannot possibly have 5 full range speakers in a standard household).
So there is a balancing act that you have to kind of pull off to get a clean sound in your living room: very tough indeed!
Thanks for your support with the music haha. I've been thinking about this actually - I like the clip at the end idea. I am kind of torn between bloopers and music .. maybe I will try both.
Very difficult this youtube game though because you always have to think about what people want to see, and if you stray from that, the youtube algorithm can murder you 😂😂😂.
So disheartening to put effort into reviews and then you get 100 views over a 1-month period!
@@geezerintotech the best thing about this channel is the way you keep it real! There are too many RUclips pleasers out there who tend to put the their effort into what they think their viewers want to hear, but realy all we want, is the unbiased truth preferably with a joke or a tune thrown in.
@@Antibackgroundnoise I guess I will continue to do what I'm doing then! :) :)
Cheers pal
What do you recommend for a room 4x4x3meter, between SB1000pro vs 2000pro?
2000pro
Was it the Andrew Kramer intro? :D
I do hop svs can make a 24 subwoofer
Do you have a svs sb3000?
past tense..'had' hehe. Yeah I've finished testing it now.
Basically there's going to be quite a bit of content coming out about the SVS range..still a few videos left. I'm trying to address different things in all the videos, otherwise they get a bit complicated and hard to follow
wonderful review, got all the information to make a selection.
I'm looking at dual subs for music 100%. It's my first time dual-ing 😙
Anyone want to set me straight between two svs micro3000 vs two rel t7x?
Keep in mind I'm in US, so svs can be bought today, down the street, for $800 US and the rel are $1100ish.
No app with the REL and I'm a bit of a tweaker with my setup and like to change sub gain depending on type of music I listen to.
I am after SQ first and foremost. Smallish room 10ft x 13ft dedicated listening space so I'm free to do whatever layout is most conducive to SQ..
i'd go with the SVS. Way more stable (rels like dancing around your room) - also more fairly priced.
You also get the SVS app to make adjustments - useful for stereo applications especially.
@@geezerintotech thx for the knowledge and opinion. My biggest concern is how much SQ I lose out on in the lower mid bass with the svs vs. Rel.
I know the svs can probably hit hard down low, but I want musicality in the upper part. My stand mount speakers are not bassy at all so I have a considerable amount of fill needed down there.
Am I losing much at all going with the svs? Speed and clarity?
@@erics.4113 well, typically the higher up the registers you go, the more these frequencies are suited to smaller diameter drivers.
So potentially the RELs might be better suited for your needs.
Only way is to try my friend :)
Do you have home trial options?
@@geezerintotech not for the rel that I'm aware of. But I can try the svs so maybe that's a starting point!
Under 40hz for home cinema? Ummm nope it goes upto 120hz and not forgetting it's not a brick wall
1st
lol nice one
2nd! You know what they say... 1st the worst, second the best 😉
@@GR-se7th 😁😁