the PB-3000 is a better sub all around than its 2000 brother but it's the mid bass where it really flexes. it's basically 6 dB louder across the board from 31.5 hz up and the critical 40-80 hz bands where we can really get slammed in the chest shines through.
Great video, another Home theater gamer here. Finding this channel is a treat. You should definitely grow out your beard. I went with the PB 2000 pro since my room is moderate size, I contemplated the two but pb-3000 pro cost way more. Overall, I dialed it in fairly well, so now it's awesome. Once I buy a new house probably will go with pb 3000 pros
I tried both the PB2000 and PB3000 and ended up buying 2 HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP. They seemed like a better value to me. I have no regrets. I do wish HSU would simplify their model names though🙂
The size of the sub woofer is important, however then there is integrating(tuning) the sub into the system and room. A small well tuned sub is far more pleasing than a huge sub that is "boomy, bloated and/or out of time with the other speakers. A poorly setup sub is like having an angry bear in your room. My bear isn't 100% tame yet, but getting real close. 😁
It's a slippery slope for sure, Kevin! I actually haven't had the time to do tweaks I've wanted to do for some time now because I end up spending HOURS. There are things I've been reading up on/watching videos on that I want to do to my audio system (basically a full manual calibration and time alignment of all speakers), but I KNOW that it won't be a quick process so I haven't done it haha.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Brad, It sure does take a ton of time to dial everything in just right. I was thinking I might be missing some audio details with my crossovers being too high. Yup, sure was. I lowered my ear level to 50hz and my ceiling mounted pair(Atmos) to 60 and what a surprise! Every sound is much more accurate and the deep base is tighter. Going from 100hz on the ceiling to 60 made the most difference. Might not work for everyone, but sure helped here. I wish I had the money and time I'd come over and give you a hand. It would great fun to learn from the master. Besides, you might have a better pizza joint than I do.
I have 2 SVS Ultra SB13 gloss black that I bought 11 years ago They weigh 92 lbs each and I did the DSP plate amp upgrade Wow what an upgrade!! They are 17"×17"x17" dp I called SVS for a tech question and the rep told me " boy we don't make like that anymore!" They energize a room like nobody's business 😅
Curious if you have thoughts on PB-2000 vs SB-3000 (mostly for movies). They are the same price and wish I saw a better comparison of these two. It looks like the SB “only” gets down to 18hz vs 16hz for the PB. But practically, wonder how perceptible that is. And would the 20% larger woofer area and higher wattage, split voice coil execution would overall make the SB-3000 just as impactful/enjoyable. Also it’s smaller package (considering I’m planing to go dual subs) is a really nice bonus for a small-ish to mid size room. Though one question is that would I need to run the SB at higher gain levels and loudness to get the same type of impact I might get from a ported PB-2000. As much as I enjoy deep tactile base, I don’t want to have to share the shear volume with my neighbor (more than necessary 😂). Anyone’s thoughts on this comparison would be greatly appreciated.
Exactly the same comparison I would like I don't know which one to buy they are the same price . Ported can dip lower bit then the sealed 3000 amps si way stronger so ..
@hometheatergamer thank you for the great review. Also perfect timing as I’m looking at adding another sub. I currently have a pb2000 pro in a dedicated theater room (11x13x8). I listen at 75-80db. Would you recommend adding a second pb-2000 pro or maybe 2 sb 3000s (due to space limitations). Either way I plan on using REW with mini dsp to tune it using your videos! Any thoughts are much appreciated.
Thanks for the comment! Our dedicated theater rooms are around the same size, and while the PB-2000 Pros sound great in the room, the added "oomph" and low frequency extension of the PB-3000s were noticeable. Dual PB-2000 Pros will be able to pressurize that room if set up correctly, but the PB-3000s will hit harder at louder volumes. So in all honesty, either will work with the PB-3000s offering more output, but that's also going to depend on how loud you like to listen to stuff at. If you tend to listen at louder volumes, then I'd go with a 3000 series subwoofer personally.
@@HomeTheaterGamer thank you for the reply! Do you think by following your videos on REW and Mini DSP I can add 2 sb3000s to the pb2000? Or do you think it would be a bad idea mixing sealed and ported. I’m looking at sealed because of the limited space
@@HomeTheaterGamer I have the Denon x4500 AVR with 2 subwoofer outputs, when running dual subs would you recommend running both subs off a single preout using an RCA splitter or running both off individual sub preouts?
So the 3000 has same rated extension as the 2000 pro but it does so at a higher SPL, which probably explains why you felt the 3000 more. I’m not an expert either, but I feel like manufacturers should include SPL with their measurements?
SVS actually does include SPL measurements in their graphs on each subwoofer page and you can see the increase in output of the PB-3000 really easily. I thought I had included those graphs in the video, but for some reason those 2 layers got turned off in Premiere Pro so they didn’t make it into the video. Apologies for that.
I've gotten the PB 3000 a little over a month ago and got it calibrate using the auddessey editor app and it sounds alright but I think I can get more out of it. My room is 12x12x9 and running a 5.1.4 setup. I've also seen your video using the mini DSP and Rew. Do I need to use those tools to get more out of my Sub or is there something else I can do without those tools. I do 99% home theater and just want to get the most from my sub with out making things worse.
Thanks for watching and commenting! For a single subwoofer, a miniDSP really isn't required outside of for select circumstances (mainly people who want a lot more customization and control), however REW and a calibrated microphone is pretty essential to getting the most out of your subwoofer. It's really, really difficult determine if you're making things worse just by using your ears, especially when it comes to bass and subwoofers. The EQ before/after results in the Editor app are also rough approximations at best, so using something like REW will get you a much more accurate result and let you know what's going on in your room. But using REW can also be very time consuming, so it's up to you to decide if you want to go further down the rabbit hole or if you're content/happy with how your subwoofer currently sounds. In the past when I was only running a single subwoofer, I too was always trying to get more out of it. It sounded good but I always felt like something was missing. Turns out, what I really needed was to add a second subwoofer. Not saying that's what you need/want, but if you're constantly feeling as though you could get more out of your subwoofer, then more than likely it's because you have some pretty nasty nulls in your frequency response that can really only be smoothed out/fixed by added additional subwoofers.
Thanks for responding back so quickly. I also have the Klipsch SPL 150 that stopped working and I had to take it back to audio advice where I bought it from (luckily it was still under warranty) but that's why I got the PB 3000 while I'm waiting to get it back. I guess when that happens is when I'll have to incorporate it in to my system and journey down that rabbit hole. Thanks to all video's you have to help me along the way.
@@randelldavis578 more importantly... what are all your crossover's set at? Are you speakers setup correctly? Lots of unanswered questions that will determine why you're not getting to the root of not getting enough out of your sub
Make sure the subwoofer is set to 0db on the receiver. Many times AVR will put them too high. Then you can put the subwoofer volume on the app at -18 to -13. I am sure you will hear a massive difference. Hope this helps!
I also want subwoofers for the coffee table and end tables as well. Maybe even the seats. If I can’t rupture someone’s spleen with bass, it’s not enough!
I need help I can't get a sweep sound from my sub..is there anyone that can help me live someone I can call to walk me through..I followed all steps I'm not sure what's going on Thanks
So I wasn't more descriptive. Reference level is a calibration term. If you run Audyssey, Dirac, YPAO, etc., your "reference level" is commonly at 0dB (decibels) on the receiver. That means that at 0dB on your receiver, each speaker reads 75dB (which is also what the media industry defines as reference level). This is really, REALLY loud for homes in smaller spaces and non-treated rooms, so most people don't listen at this volume level. But this is what the audio denotes as reference level, so it's typically used as a standard for volume calibration of each speaker. It's also worth mentioning that many receivers allow you to change the volume scale from Relative (using the dB scale as mentioned) or Absolute (using a simple 0-98 number scale with no correlation to decibel level).
@Home Theater Gamer Maybe it's time to contact Nick Brown at SVS to send you four SB-16 Ultras to test in your home theater for comparison. Now that would be an epic video.
@bubblehead5394 Nick and I actually talk via email on a weekly basis. Haha. I'm actually going through their full ported line of subwoofers (next is the PB-4000, then the PB-16 Ultras), and once I get there I'll definitely talk to him about those 4 SB-16 Ultras. I'm mainly a ported guy, so it'll be interesting to hear the difference between the PB-16 Ultras and the SB-16 Ultras. And yes, "FOR SCIENCE" lol.
@Home Theater Gamer Nick is a cool dude. I started with a pair of PB-3000s. Auditioned an SB-4000 and a pair of SB-16 Ultra's a year later. Tuned the 7.2.4 system with Audessey and REW. Kept the pair of 16's. Super clean and impactful bass in my open concept room. Looking at two more 16's in the near future as the icing on the cake.
That is an option. I haven’t heard or tested the Monolith so it’s not something I can recommend. I’ve been trying to get a pair in for review for quite some time but have had no luck.
Monoliths have better rumble but the pb3000 is more clean in my opinion and more safe. If your monolith breaks and you dont live in america you are doomed.
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the PB-3000 is a better sub all around than its 2000 brother but it's the mid bass where it really flexes. it's basically 6 dB louder across the board from 31.5 hz up and the critical 40-80 hz bands where we can really get slammed in the chest shines through.
Great video, another Home theater gamer here. Finding this channel is a treat. You should definitely grow out your beard. I went with the PB 2000 pro since my room is moderate size, I contemplated the two but pb-3000 pro cost way more. Overall, I dialed it in fairly well, so now it's awesome. Once I buy a new house probably will go with pb 3000 pros
I tried both the PB2000 and PB3000 and ended up buying 2 HSU VTF-3 MK5 HP. They seemed like a better value to me. I have no regrets. I do wish HSU would simplify their model names though🙂
The size of the sub woofer is important, however then there is integrating(tuning) the sub into the system and room. A small well tuned sub is far more pleasing than a huge sub that is "boomy, bloated and/or out of time with the other speakers. A poorly setup sub is like having an angry bear in your room. My bear isn't 100% tame yet, but getting real close. 😁
It's a slippery slope for sure, Kevin! I actually haven't had the time to do tweaks I've wanted to do for some time now because I end up spending HOURS. There are things I've been reading up on/watching videos on that I want to do to my audio system (basically a full manual calibration and time alignment of all speakers), but I KNOW that it won't be a quick process so I haven't done it haha.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Brad, It sure does take a ton of time to dial everything in just right. I was thinking I might be missing some audio details with my crossovers being too high. Yup, sure was. I lowered my ear level to 50hz and my ceiling mounted pair(Atmos) to 60 and what a surprise! Every sound is much more accurate and the deep base is tighter. Going from 100hz on the ceiling to 60 made the most difference. Might not work for everyone, but sure helped here.
I wish I had the money and time I'd come over and give you a hand. It would great fun to learn from the master. Besides, you might have a better pizza joint than I do.
I have 2 SVS Ultra SB13 gloss black that I bought 11 years ago They weigh 92 lbs each and I did the DSP plate amp upgrade Wow what an upgrade!! They are 17"×17"x17" dp I called SVS for a tech question and the rep told me " boy we don't make like that anymore!" They energize a room like nobody's business 😅
I just got dual PB-3000 wow that's all I can say
I know what you mean lol
Funny, the old SVS NSD-12's I owned back in the day came with metal grills. Looks like the 2000's got short ended.
If I lived in the USA I would choose(at similar pricepoint):
-PSA TV1512
-HSU VTF15H MK2
-Rythmik FV15HP
Since I live in Canada...PB3000
Curious if you have thoughts on PB-2000 vs SB-3000 (mostly for movies). They are the same price and wish I saw a better comparison of these two. It looks like the SB “only” gets down to 18hz vs 16hz for the PB. But practically, wonder how perceptible that is. And would the 20% larger woofer area and higher wattage, split voice coil execution would overall make the SB-3000 just as impactful/enjoyable. Also it’s smaller package (considering I’m planing to go dual subs) is a really nice bonus for a small-ish to mid size room. Though one question is that would I need to run the SB at higher gain levels and loudness to get the same type of impact I might get from a ported PB-2000. As much as I enjoy deep tactile base, I don’t want to have to share the shear volume with my neighbor (more than necessary 😂). Anyone’s thoughts on this comparison would be greatly appreciated.
Exactly the same comparison I would like I don't know which one to buy they are the same price . Ported can dip lower bit then the sealed 3000 amps si way stronger so
..
@@davel4449but PB2000 can act as sealed sub with port extension ?
I miss when SVS used to only do the metal grill even in the entry NSD line.
@hometheatergamer thank you for the great review. Also perfect timing as I’m looking at adding another sub. I currently have a pb2000 pro in a dedicated theater room (11x13x8). I listen at 75-80db. Would you recommend adding a second pb-2000 pro or maybe 2 sb 3000s (due to space limitations). Either way I plan on using REW with mini dsp to tune it using your videos!
Any thoughts are much appreciated.
Thanks for the comment! Our dedicated theater rooms are around the same size, and while the PB-2000 Pros sound great in the room, the added "oomph" and low frequency extension of the PB-3000s were noticeable. Dual PB-2000 Pros will be able to pressurize that room if set up correctly, but the PB-3000s will hit harder at louder volumes. So in all honesty, either will work with the PB-3000s offering more output, but that's also going to depend on how loud you like to listen to stuff at. If you tend to listen at louder volumes, then I'd go with a 3000 series subwoofer personally.
@@HomeTheaterGamer thank you for the reply! Do you think by following your videos on REW and Mini DSP I can add 2 sb3000s to the pb2000? Or do you think it would be a bad idea mixing sealed and ported. I’m looking at sealed because of the limited space
It’s definitely doable (I’ve done it before), but it’s harder to get things dialed in and can take a bit longer.
@@HomeTheaterGamer thank you for the reply, I’ll give it a go 😊 all else fails I’ll sell the pb2000 pro and keep the dual sb3000pros
@@HomeTheaterGamer I have the Denon x4500 AVR with 2 subwoofer outputs, when running dual subs would you recommend running both subs off a single preout using an RCA splitter or running both off individual sub preouts?
Not true the pb 3000 has a better voice coil, that can handle a lot more excursion
Sb 3000 vs pb2000?
Please any advice is welcome. Is the pb2000pro that much better then sb2000pro? Mainly listen to music but HT also much appreciated.
So the 3000 has same rated extension as the 2000 pro but it does so at a higher SPL, which probably explains why you felt the 3000 more. I’m not an expert either, but I feel like manufacturers should include SPL with their measurements?
SVS actually does include SPL measurements in their graphs on each subwoofer page and you can see the increase in output of the PB-3000 really easily. I thought I had included those graphs in the video, but for some reason those 2 layers got turned off in Premiere Pro so they didn’t make it into the video. Apologies for that.
I've gotten the PB 3000 a little over a month ago and got it calibrate using the auddessey editor app and it sounds alright but I think I can get more out of it. My room is 12x12x9 and running a 5.1.4 setup. I've also seen your video using the mini DSP and Rew. Do I need to use those tools to get more out of my Sub or is there something else I can do without those tools. I do 99% home theater and just want to get the most from my sub with out making things worse.
Thanks for watching and commenting! For a single subwoofer, a miniDSP really isn't required outside of for select circumstances (mainly people who want a lot more customization and control), however REW and a calibrated microphone is pretty essential to getting the most out of your subwoofer. It's really, really difficult determine if you're making things worse just by using your ears, especially when it comes to bass and subwoofers. The EQ before/after results in the Editor app are also rough approximations at best, so using something like REW will get you a much more accurate result and let you know what's going on in your room. But using REW can also be very time consuming, so it's up to you to decide if you want to go further down the rabbit hole or if you're content/happy with how your subwoofer currently sounds.
In the past when I was only running a single subwoofer, I too was always trying to get more out of it. It sounded good but I always felt like something was missing. Turns out, what I really needed was to add a second subwoofer. Not saying that's what you need/want, but if you're constantly feeling as though you could get more out of your subwoofer, then more than likely it's because you have some pretty nasty nulls in your frequency response that can really only be smoothed out/fixed by added additional subwoofers.
Thanks for responding back so quickly. I also have the Klipsch SPL 150 that stopped working and I had to take it back to audio advice where I bought it from (luckily it was still under warranty) but that's why I got the PB 3000 while I'm waiting to get it back. I guess when that happens is when I'll have to incorporate it in to my system and journey down that rabbit hole. Thanks to all video's you have to help me along the way.
@@randelldavis578 more importantly... what are all your crossover's set at? Are you speakers setup correctly? Lots of unanswered questions that will determine why you're not getting to the root of not getting enough out of your sub
Make sure the subwoofer is set to 0db on the receiver. Many times AVR will put them too high. Then you can put the subwoofer volume on the app at -18 to -13. I am sure you will hear a massive difference. Hope this helps!
I went dual pb2000 pro for my space of 12x12 feet
So how does it sound?
great video! thanks!😊
buy subwoofers with high-level to get all 7 main channels to full range. and ofc all subs also connected to LFE. 😊
I also want subwoofers for the coffee table and end tables as well. Maybe even the seats. If I can’t rupture someone’s spleen with bass, it’s not enough!
This might be the worst post ever made.
My room is 14x19 ft rectangular shape room what do you recommend dual pb2000 or dual pb3000?
2000. if money is not an object..pb3000.
Frequency reponse seems better on the 2000's
I need help I can't get a sweep sound from my sub..is there anyone that can help me live someone I can call to walk me through..I followed all steps I'm not sure what's going on Thanks
2:01 “..if you are listening to Bladerunner 2049 at reference level..”. Can you be more specific about “reference level”?
So I wasn't more descriptive. Reference level is a calibration term. If you run Audyssey, Dirac, YPAO, etc., your "reference level" is commonly at 0dB (decibels) on the receiver. That means that at 0dB on your receiver, each speaker reads 75dB (which is also what the media industry defines as reference level). This is really, REALLY loud for homes in smaller spaces and non-treated rooms, so most people don't listen at this volume level. But this is what the audio denotes as reference level, so it's typically used as a standard for volume calibration of each speaker.
It's also worth mentioning that many receivers allow you to change the volume scale from Relative (using the dB scale as mentioned) or Absolute (using a simple 0-98 number scale with no correlation to decibel level).
great video!
Dual SB-16 Ultras. 😉
Haha. One can only dream. Maybe one day.
@Home Theater Gamer Maybe it's time to contact Nick Brown at SVS to send you four SB-16 Ultras to test in your home theater for comparison. Now that would be an epic video.
@@bubblehead5394for science lol
@bubblehead5394 Nick and I actually talk via email on a weekly basis. Haha. I'm actually going through their full ported line of subwoofers (next is the PB-4000, then the PB-16 Ultras), and once I get there I'll definitely talk to him about those 4 SB-16 Ultras. I'm mainly a ported guy, so it'll be interesting to hear the difference between the PB-16 Ultras and the SB-16 Ultras. And yes, "FOR SCIENCE" lol.
@Home Theater Gamer Nick is a cool dude. I started with a pair of PB-3000s. Auditioned an SB-4000 and a pair of SB-16 Ultra's a year later. Tuned the 7.2.4 system with Audessey and REW. Kept the pair of 16's. Super clean and impactful bass in my open concept room. Looking at two more 16's in the near future as the icing on the cake.
Better with 2 or more subs than one then
Guys take monolith 15 it's cheaper and better from pb3000
That is an option. I haven’t heard or tested the Monolith so it’s not something I can recommend. I’ve been trying to get a pair in for review for quite some time but have had no luck.
@@HomeTheaterGamer trust me buddy i have 2 monolith's 15 😁
The monolith 13 is better than the 15 from what I know
@@pixelreflectorpro why buddy???
Monoliths have better rumble but the pb3000 is more clean in my opinion and more safe. If your monolith breaks and you dont live in america you are doomed.