I will admit. A few years ago, this would have sounded like nonsense. But now that I've studied and read and really thought about things on a deeper level, it makes total sense. I get why people think it doesn't, but to them I would say keep trying and keep studying God's word. Sproul was far deeper than most people realize.
Tell any high level Calvinist that you believe God allows things to happen against His will and chooses to permit it. You will be lucky if you are not called a heretic. He's obscuring the fact that he believes that God so determines the desires of every other being in the universe that it compels them to do exactly as God wills down to the order you tie your shoes in and as evil as rape and genocide
@Dylan Unruh I'm not a calvinist. I've studied it and disagree with alot of it. I'm just saying that I understand what he's saying here. I think that God is omniscient and knows what we're going to do before we do it, but it's still us doing it. I don't think faith is a work. However, God does have to draw us and reveal who Christ is to us before we can (or would) believe. I think regeneration is after faith. All that's said, I think that God has chosen the timeline that accomplishes his will and that it's his will that things happen the way he has decided for them to, but he doesn't diminish our free will. He's powerful enough to work through it.
This story is a good illustration of the calvinistic God. A man is walking through a park and sees a sign that says,"Master chess player." Next to the sigh is a older man playing chess. As the man watches the master chess player he realizes he is playing both sides of the table. The man asks the master chess player why he's playing both sides of the table? He says, "It's the only way I can guarantee my victory". The man continues to walk and sees another master chess player but this one has a long line of opponents as long as the eye can see. Determinism is the black hole of calvinism, it sucks everything into it and nothing can escape.
The whole point of this exercise is when all is said and done, our Lord did not tyrannically force anyone to serve Him. He gave both the spiritual and earthly realm a choice. Serve Him and receive immortality, oppose Him and time expires. What one does with that time matters and is to His discretion as the Creator. Pride or humility are the choices in a nutshell
To those thinking sproul did not answer the question, please take a moment to think more about the relationship of our free will and His sovereignty. Take as an example the rise and fall of empires. Israel was rebellious and idolatrous and it says God raised up Babylon to oppress them. Yet He didn’t cause them to sin, He permitted their sinful ambitions on oppressing and conquering other peoples to prosper in order to judge Israel for such sins. He then later let Alexander’s ambitions of conquest to judge those who wrongfully oppressed Israel (who was bablyon). Alexander spared Israel… Michelangelo painted the depiction of him arriving in Jerusalem. I believe God works out His sovereignty through our choices, and when He sees fit, He overrides our decisions by our external circumstances. But He is still in control of the final end of all things, but at the same time we are held responsible for our decisions. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, nothing that comes to pass happens without His permission or Him ordaining it. He permitted/ ordained that Adam and Eve would be allowed to choose to sin. We cannot know the exact reasons for His choosing of His will but we can be absolutely confident that His plan and purposes are good. Perhaps He permitted mankind to fall into and choose to be sinful so He could display the greatest act of love that could possibly be displayed. He displayed His glory and His character in its full measure by offering Himself for our ransom to those who came to faith (the elect) And for those of us who have come to faith would have never come to faith if it wasn’t for the work of the spirit in our hearts as an act of grace that we did not deserve… the subject of our salvation is a divine paradox… we could never believe without the Holy Spirit regenerating our hearts through faith. Yet we are responsible for our sin
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "The people ... Built places to sacrifice their children (by fire) to foreign gods; something I (God) did NOT command nor did it enter my mind." Calvinism says God ordains or determines EVERYTHING. The above verse DISAGREES. Who do we believe, RC SPROUL, JAMES WHITE, JEFF DURBIN, and all the other Calvinists or do we believe GOD ALMIGHTY and His Holy Word, the Bible?
Did you read the rest of the verse? God in that chapter takes credit for the consumption of their kids. And please show me a verse where God would tell them to serve another God? You can't find one? So did He tell them or command them to do so? It is a conversation with the people God never told them to do not that, that doesn't mean He didn't in some way decree the event to happen, we can for example look to were He sent angels to send a false prophecy to the people because they wouldn't listen. God knows the end from the beginning and the past and why it happened and the future and all things happen by His decree if we look at what He says about Himself in the trial of the false God.
@@Jondoe_04 Can you explain or quote what you're talking about with regards to God taking credit for the consumption of their children? Because I do not see that in that verse or surrounding verses.
@topfueljunkie100 I was wrong, I was quoting its direct parallel in Jeremiah 19 my bad. Jeremiah 19:9 ESV [9] And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them.’
Im confused folks can you please answer this question: "But God plannED all this things,He DesignED it before the foundation of the world that some is will be coacroaches,birds,whos male and female,who will become tree that bears fruit and some is will be put on fire and it 100%accurately that it will happen.All is written down ,all is designed and planned already before the foundation of the world .Is it like creating a movie or book and you are the director or author of it." how can we respond in this statement?Thank you
That was a lot of words provided to not even begin to answer the question. If someone asks the theological equivalent of "what does 2+2=?" and the answer is paragraph after paragraph then the answer is usually wrong and covering up something. If we have no free will then our every action, including all sin, is the responsibility of God who decided our will. The one and only way God isn't responsible for our sin is if we have free will.
Or just possibly, it's because to many people have bad presupposition that need to be unraveled first. Like for example define free will? It isn't a clear term at all. Calvinst do not deny man has a will but that it is a fallen will. We also believe God is sovereign over it because the Bible is clear on that in verse like Proverbs 16:9, Genesis 50:29-30, Isaiah 10:15, Judges 14:4. Describe the Trinity in a 1+1 fashion, chances are you'll end up in a deep hearsay, some issues are just not so simple.
@@Jondoe_04 our inherent nature is sinful and it was God who created us so God has to be responsible for sin. It's simple logic. God has a purpose for sin and He is using it to bring about His good. Idk why calvinists try and weasel out of this simple truth
@mrb532 No, Scripture actually directly deals with Ecclesiastes 7:29 and basically all of Romans 5. We made ourselves sinful, God did not make us sinful. God is not the author of sin, which is also dealt with in the book of James 1:13-15. Also, Calvinst do recognizes that God has a purpose for sin in Romans 9:22 He actually tells us why, and that is to make His power know and show mercy on the vessel He has chosen to show mercy. Calvinst do not agree with what you said because God is not at all responsible for sin. Man is fully responsible for sin. God, in some way, sovereignty allows sin, yet is not responsible for it. We do have a few examples of this in Job 1 and 2, where we see it from a heavenly point of view, and another example is Genesis 50:19-20 from an earthly perspective.
I listened to this like 4 times, to quote R.C. in a sense, it is what Colosians 2:8 (NLT) would call High sounding nonsense, and what (ESV) would call empty deceit. As someone who has spent the last 2 years sincerely seeking Christ, and also ridding my self of cognitive dissonance, I can't embrace this with out the dissonance being embrace i.e. A is A, but also not A.
God ordained who would and would not come to Him. That is Biblical. Humans don’t seek God on their own accord. Therefore, those not born of the Spirit will not come to faith.
@@blake8820 Humans do not seek God that is biblical, but the Bible also says that God calls ALL. There are 4 sentences in your comment, only the third is truly biblical. I recommend you look at material from the vast majority of Christian teachers and scholars, or read the Bible, and set aside the doctrines created by men long dead, like the doctrine of "grace" I have listened to many many Calvinist teachers, I haven't heard a single one of them fairly represent the non-calvinist position. If you are not listening to people pointing out the clear errors of Calvinism, you are missing some big points. If no man seeks God, but he calls all men, do we need to seek God, or just respond to his call, and free gift. (If you need the verses I'm pulling from, lmk.)
@@travissharon1536 How is the first unbiblical when the Bible clearly talks about God choosing His children without regard to their actions? How is the fourth unbiblical when the Bible clearly states that unless you are born of the spirit you cannot enter the kingdom of God?
@@travissharon1536 Yes God calls those who will not come to faith. That is Biblical. Look at Matthew 19 where Jesus is talking about the judgement of Israel. In Matthew 20, we see that the self righteous mindset makes Israel just as guilty as those who don’t seek after God. Israel received the Gospel and were called to follow their Messiah, yet they collectively rejected Him. Why? For few of them were the elect. Few of them were chosen by God from the foundations of the world.
Yes God can give you to your reprobate mind or your harden heart, but that doesn't mean he is the ordainer of your reprobate mind or your harden heart...God stated very well that He has put before the children of Israel life and death and therefore he ask them to choose life. So if you choose death and your heart is hardened by your choice - then your heart will be harden and your mind will be reprobate and God will use that together for good for His Will since you can not be highly exalted above His Will.
Your understanding of Deuteronomy 30:19 presupposes libertarian free will. Yes it is indeed true that God commands the Israelites to "choose life", But when read in the context of the whole chapter, Moses reveals that the power to obey this command comes from regenerating grace: "And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live." (Deut 30:6) In other words, God commands people to obey, but he also supplies all the grace needed to do so. The command to believe does not itself contain the power to do so. God commanding obedience (what we ought to do) does not mean a person can do this apart from grace. God must set them free from innate love of sin and natural hostility to God, if they have any hope of moving toward Him. Left to ourselves we are too proud to let go of our self-complacency and self-righteousness and so we will never rightly understand our woeful, guilty, and lost condition, unless God grants it.
The power to obey is not on God circumcising their heart. That is an appointed blessing to those who are in the covenant...Check verse 17 & 18 Deu 30....15See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
If the old covenant the people of Israel they had to "choose life" by obeying the LAW of God - to be in the covenant with God. Today we have to "Confess our sin" to be Saved.... ROM 10...."10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Israel Rejects the Gospel 14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
My point is if obedience came through circumcision of the heart for the children of Israel - then you'll have to remove verse 17 and 18, bcz they clearly states that (verse 17) "If your heart turns away" (verse 18) "You shall surely perish"...If your heart can turn away - then it was never circumcised, bcz you can not uncircumcised the heart!
Why God Made Adam the Way He Did From a sermon by Elder Mike Ivey entitled-‘The Glory of God’ “Adam was the last free moral agent that will ever walk the earth. Adam was free to obey or else disobey God. There are some folks who say that the reason why God made Adam that way is so he [Adam] would disobey so that God could save us from our sins. But the reality is that He did that because there was more potential for greater glory in Adam than in anything else God created. You see, a rock cannot disobey because it can’t do anything but be a rock. Even the animals could only act within their nature and therefore were not free moral agents. But think for a minute that obedience is the moral underpinning by which God receives glory based on goodness that proceeds from obedience. If there is potential for disobedience then the glory that is produced is produced within that potential for disobedience. That is to say God received more glory from the obedience of man that could disobey than He could from a rock that cannot disobey. So God’s purpose in giving man a free will was not to set him up for failure but to give him an opportunity to glorify God in obedience in the environment of potential disobedience.”
The Bible says, "Choose you this day whom you will serve." If God determines or ordains, then there is no choosing. This is not Biblical. God in his complete Sovereignty, gives us enough free will to choose or reject Jesus.
Not true, Proverbs 16:9 just because you make a choice doesn't mean God doesn't know it from long ago and it also doesn't mean He didn't decree that you make that choice. We can see for example in Genesis 50:29-30 the brother choose to sell Jacob into slavery but it was 100% under the control of God.
@@Jondoe_04Calvinism makes God the author of every single sin and evil thing that has ever happened or will happen on earth. That's NOT the God of the Bible who "is love."
@Mike-qt7jp that's not true, and if you are going to claim that, I hope you at least picked up Calvin's institutes where he spent chapters laboring over how we do not believe that. You are objectively bearing false witness to a whole bunch of Christians. Here, let's ask a really easy question: Was the sins of Pilot predestined to happen? There is a verse in Acts that tells us that explicitly. God has a purpose even in sinful action. That doesn't mean He forces us to act wickedly. There is plenty of Biblical evidence of God being sovereign even over sinful action such as Genesis 50:19-20, Isaiah 10:15, judges 14:4 there's more but I'll let you find the clearest example. Also, a decree and an author are two different things a king decrees, an author makes. God gives you permission to sin. He does not make you sin. An author would make you sin. If anything happens, it is by the will of God.
@plumber1874 I don't even know how to respond to what you're asking. I think Calvinism is correct, I think this guy is either woefully misinformed or woefully uninformed. I think it accurately explains the Bible, but it no ways does it make the author of evil, as we have labored to explain that the sin comes from our own sinful nature's.
If God is God, why did he let Satan come into the Garden? because God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice, but then no choices so what choice did they have? God spoke to them, and if they didn’t hear anything else but God, what’s the point of free choice? That’s why he let the serpent in God says something, the serpent says something else, and they believe the serpent and choose to disobey God because God is Holy, they had to separate from God in sin and ever since there’s been a war and the war one day will end when every single person on the planet hears about Jesus has the same opportunity as Adam and Eve. The insanity of Calvinism is clearly told by RC. Sproul on answering a question on predestination, in short “…That God positively decrees and determines in advance those whom he will save namely the elect and in the same method he decrees the damnation of the sinner and that just as on the one hand he creates positively saving faith in the hearts of the elect he in an equally determined fashion creates fresh EVIL in the hearts of the reprobate to make sure they don’t come to BELIEVE “ James 1:13 Jeremiah 7:30-31 - “‘The people of Judah have DONE EVIL in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND. James 1:13 “Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one”. Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He "predestined" everything including the fall of man, sin, and evil. Calvinists also believe that God created man and then INTENTIONALLY predestined his fall and predestined sin and evil. If that is true, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and be deeply troubled afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God predestined the fall of man is debunked and blown out of the water. Genesis 6:6 - The Lord REGRETTED that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was DEEPLY TROUBLED. If YOU create something and then intentionally engineer it for FAILURE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FEELING REGRET AND BE TROUBLED AFTERWARDS. Jeremiah 7:30-31 - “‘The people of Judah have DONE EVIL in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND The Bible teaches John 3:16, NOT "John Calvin 3:16".
Decree has more weight than the phrase-, God author of sin.If God Decreed everything then he created it( Isaiah 45:7) God created evil ,in metaphysical origin of evil, because God the first cause of all things.
You know, I have heard Calvinist and Reformed believers say so many times “you just don’t know Calvinism/Reformed Theology” whenever issues arise and pointed questions are asked. And I used to think this was a valid defense, after all, they did have different, more specific words for things, so I thought they should be given a fair shake; “let’s not strawman after all”. But now I come to see that I think even they don’t know a lot of the time. And the system seems to hold up through obfuscation and confusion. And God is not the author of confusion, nor sin, nor did He “decree or ordain” these things. I have also heard it said that “Calvinists have the same vocabulary, but a different dictionary”. I think that’s true. Also, anyone notice how R.C. did not answer the specific question in regards to Adam and Eve? He said we sin by our desires (Compatibilism) but that doesn’t deal with the issue of Adam and Eve at that point not having sinful desires. So he definitely did wax eloquent for 5 minutes over the question, he just didn’t answer it.
No one has an answer for the origin of Adam's sin since the first 2 chapters of Genesis doesn't comment on Adam's nature prior to his fall. This remains a mystery for the issue of theodicy.
@@4jchan what do you mean by that? Couldn’t James 1:14-15 be an adequate answer? “But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” That seems to fit the narrative of Genesis 3:6 “So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.” Couldn’t it be that Adam and Eve’s source of sin was their desire for something God forbade?
@@Boogachomper Everything you said is true. But it doesn't answer the bigger question. Adam was initially perfectly good or righteous before he sinned but where did the desire to sin come from? How did Adam go from desiring God to desiring to sin since he had no sin to begin with? Again no Christian theologian has ever answered this question since we don't know the nature of Adam before the fall. Man's nature after the fall is taught clearly from scripture but prefall, scripture is silent.
@@4jchanwhile I am reformed we do know the nature of Adam and Eve pre fall they were good, Ecclesiastes 7:29 God made man upright.... the question what cause the upright man to rebell and most people believe it was God's restrainting hand was lifted from them, similar (but the opposite case) it was applied to the man who wanted to sleep with Abraham's wife. Under the Reformed understanding it is right to say Adam and Eve had pride but also God had to decree that event would happen because it wouldn't happen if God didn't allow it to happen (literally everyone, even none reformed should agree to that point). Yet that doesn't make the author of sin but means He can still use the sinful desires of men for His good and glory.
No Calvinist can really answer this. The only way is that we truly have freewill and God is sovereign at the same time, which makes Calvinism only partially true.
The bible clearly says that before we are saved we are in bondage to sin (not free) and after we are saved we are slaves of righteousness. Yes we are free to do what we desire to do... but before we are saved our desire is inclined to sin.... when we are saved God supernaturally changes our sinful will to being a will that wants to be like Jesus.... so we have free will only in the sense that we are free to do what we want. Before salvation we prefer sin, after salvation we prefer righteousness.
@@LandB73 Yes but God can still enable you to do something without forcing you to do it. Just because I can't repent unless God changes my heart doesn't mean I can't choose to repent when God changes my heart. If I give you a million pounds to buy a mansion you can only do that because I enabled you, but me enabling you doesn't mean you have to do it. You could reject the money or spend it on something else. Enablement doesn't equal force which is why Calvinism is wrong. There is no contradiction between believing God enabled me and believing I chose to act on that gift of enablement. Nothing you have said in your comment nullifies freewill or choice in any way. I mean if God didn't create me with intelligence I could not have written this comment, but that doesn't mean that God made me write the comment or that I didn't choose to write it. He enabled me to, but I could have ignored your comment and not responded. God awakens the heart of a sinner so a person CAN accept Christ, not so they inevitably WILL. Enablement isn't force. Just because God makes it possible for you to believe doesn't mean you will. You're not a biological robot my friend. God didn't create you that way. You're right about what the Bible teaches, but wrong in your logical conclusion or interpretation of it. Jesys said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” ~ John 12:32 All men are enabled, but that doesn't mean all men will respond to the gift of being enabled. Before being lifted up there was not the Holy Spirit convicting and enabling people, and there was no Gospel where the Holy Spirit could convict the world of sin and unrighteousness. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is working upon unbelievers convicting the world of sin and unrighteousness. Since he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and is convicting the wicked it must be therefore possible for them to repent after being convicted, otherwise he would be wasting his time.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446In relation to your John 12 32 ref. Is it possible that when all men are drawn they are all raised and enter heaven with Christ? (see John 6 35-70). I read these verses and see the power of God changing hearts and not just enabling fallen humans but actively purposing people to eternal life. If it is true that all who are drawn are raised and considering that not all men have believed, then John 12 32 cannot mean that Jesus generally draws every single individual who ever lived.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446 Sorry before and unless the [ dead in trespasses and sin's ] receives a supernatural touch from God he is unable and unwilling to become a believer. What do you believe is in the 2 or 3% of humanity that accepts Christ that is not in the 97% who reject Him or have never heard [ they both go to hell]? What strange possession does the 2 or 3% have . They must be more humble or intelligent or something. No they are unable---the natural man- 1Corinthians 2:14. Read about this natural man in Romans 3:10-18. Blind and lost like we all are before and unless the Holy Spirit touches us. This is what Christ was telling Nicodemus in John 3. You must be born again, and this new birth is in the power and administration of the Spirit John 3:6-12. It is so amazing to listen to folks that think they were "intelligent" enough to choose Christ when the vast majority of humanity have always rejected Him. What about the millions [ billions? ] who have never heard and yet are found guilty and condemned to hell---obviously you believe that isn't fair or you couldn't hold to the free will position. I know you have a way around it but Romans 9:10-24 is the clearly and concisely Greek text that Gid spoke to this question. Bottom line is verses 19-24
This is total dribble. God ordains everything to happen in a sense? What sense? No answer.Reformed theology has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
This was nearly my theology, except one or two sentences. Unfortunately other things Sproul said were very deterministic. I can't find any straight and consistent answer from Calvinists on this question. God knows all, that's for sure.
@@blake8820 Long comment incoming, please read! LMK if it sounds like blasphemy to you, please! OK, if all things are predetermined, what, in your opinion would God not be the author of? If all is predetermined, we are essentially characters in a novel. God made Adam, with the intent that he would fall. Likewise, he made Jeffery Dahmer with the intent of his dastardly deeds. How can you meticulously plan all events and not be the author of said events? In my mind, it takes serious mental gymnastics to not make it so Now, I believe God did know Adam would fall (most likely), but I believe the fall is a consequence of Adam being given the "Image of God" status, with the ability to chose. That singular ability necessitates the possibility of evil. God knew the evil would happen, but it is a consequence of his desire to have a true family capable of choosing to love him. What is the value of love if it is not chosen? The love that will be gained at the end of time is essentially the good God works all things towards. Next is my opinion: God can create anything but the character that comes from experience. This is not a biblical opinion in the sense that I can build it from scripture directly, but I believe choosing to love God is the point of our existence. If it isn't, then logically we are either a tool for experience of God, or a story written for him, by him. I have studied many biblical theories, Calvinism seems to need to change scripture, and twist the meaning of many passages to work, and it is essentially built on like 4 passages, thar can be interpreted differently. If I can interpret a small number of passages, and yield unity of the exact and pure word of God, that is my choice.
@@blake8820 Can you show me a verse or section or series of verses that says Regeneration proceeds faith? I know of more than one verse that pretty clearly states that Regeneration follows belief.
@@blake8820 As for God predetermining the individuals that come to faith. There are a few different ways to interpret the verses that lead to that belief. I prefer any of them that don't say God chose those who would be saved before the foundation of the earth. Solely because they promote scriptural unity
@@blake8820 You prefer Calvinist interpretation, unless God told you that you are right. I prefer it, BECAUSE IT MAKES THE REST OF SCRIPTURE MAKE MORE SENSE. Not because it makes me feel good.
He didn't explain, he gave his interpretation which no one held for the first 450 years of the church. The Bereans didn't take Paul's word for it so don't take R.C. Sproul's word for it
When God's word overtaken by teachings of men, in a SENSE.
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I will admit. A few years ago, this would have sounded like nonsense. But now that I've studied and read and really thought about things on a deeper level, it makes total sense. I get why people think it doesn't, but to them I would say keep trying and keep studying God's word. Sproul was far deeper than most people realize.
Tell any high level Calvinist that you believe God allows things to happen against His will and chooses to permit it. You will be lucky if you are not called a heretic. He's obscuring the fact that he believes that God so determines the desires of every other being in the universe that it compels them to do exactly as God wills down to the order you tie your shoes in and as evil as rape and genocide
@Dylan Unruh I'm not a calvinist. I've studied it and disagree with alot of it. I'm just saying that I understand what he's saying here. I think that God is omniscient and knows what we're going to do before we do it, but it's still us doing it. I don't think faith is a work. However, God does have to draw us and reveal who Christ is to us before we can (or would) believe. I think regeneration is after faith.
All that's said, I think that God has chosen the timeline that accomplishes his will and that it's his will that things happen the way he has decided for them to, but he doesn't diminish our free will. He's powerful enough to work through it.
@@dylanunruh4942 You’re speaking of hyper Calvinists.
Logic is a path. You either walk it or you don't. Christians don't, by definition of faith.
This story is a good illustration of the calvinistic God.
A man is walking through a park and sees a sign that says,"Master chess player." Next to the sigh is a older man playing chess. As the man watches the master chess player he realizes he is playing both sides of the table. The man asks the master chess player why he's playing both sides of the table? He says, "It's the only way I can guarantee my victory". The man continues to walk and sees another master chess player but this one has a long line of opponents as long as the eye can see.
Determinism is the black hole of calvinism, it sucks everything into it and nothing can escape.
The whole point of this exercise is when all is said and done, our Lord did not tyrannically force anyone to serve Him. He gave both the spiritual and earthly realm a choice. Serve Him and receive immortality, oppose Him and time expires. What one does with that time matters and is to His discretion as the Creator. Pride or humility are the choices in a nutshell
To those thinking sproul did not answer the question, please take a moment to think more about the relationship of our free will and His sovereignty. Take as an example the rise and fall of empires. Israel was rebellious and idolatrous and it says God raised up Babylon to oppress them. Yet He didn’t cause them to sin, He permitted their sinful ambitions on oppressing and conquering other peoples to prosper in order to judge Israel for such sins. He then later let Alexander’s ambitions of conquest to judge those who wrongfully oppressed Israel (who was bablyon). Alexander spared Israel… Michelangelo painted the depiction of him arriving in Jerusalem. I believe God works out His sovereignty through our choices, and when He sees fit, He overrides our decisions by our external circumstances. But He is still in control of the final end of all things, but at the same time we are held responsible for our decisions. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, nothing that comes to pass happens without His permission or Him ordaining it. He permitted/ ordained that Adam and Eve would be allowed to choose to sin. We cannot know the exact reasons for His choosing of His will but we can be absolutely confident that His plan and purposes are good. Perhaps He permitted mankind to fall into and choose to be sinful so He could display the greatest act of love that could possibly be displayed. He displayed His glory and His character in its full measure by offering Himself for our ransom to those who came to faith (the elect) And for those of us who have come to faith would have never come to faith if it wasn’t for the work of the spirit in our hearts as an act of grace that we did not deserve… the subject of our salvation is a divine paradox… we could never believe without the Holy Spirit regenerating our hearts through faith. Yet we are responsible for our sin
Wait, even R.C. said," If there is ONE molecule that is not determined by God than the whole thing collapses."
In Jeremiah 7 God says, "The people ... Built places to sacrifice their children (by fire) to foreign gods; something I (God) did NOT command nor did it enter my mind." Calvinism says God ordains or determines EVERYTHING. The above verse DISAGREES. Who do we believe, RC SPROUL, JAMES WHITE, JEFF DURBIN, and all the other Calvinists or do we believe GOD ALMIGHTY and His Holy Word, the Bible?
Did you read the rest of the verse? God in that chapter takes credit for the consumption of their kids. And please show me a verse where God would tell them to serve another God? You can't find one? So did He tell them or command them to do so? It is a conversation with the people God never told them to do not that, that doesn't mean He didn't in some way decree the event to happen, we can for example look to were He sent angels to send a false prophecy to the people because they wouldn't listen. God knows the end from the beginning and the past and why it happened and the future and all things happen by His decree if we look at what He says about Himself in the trial of the false God.
@@Jondoe_04 Can you explain or quote what you're talking about with regards to God taking credit for the consumption of their children? Because I do not see that in that verse or surrounding verses.
@topfueljunkie100 I was wrong, I was quoting its direct parallel in Jeremiah 19 my bad.
Jeremiah 19:9 ESV
[9] And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them.’
Im confused folks can you please answer this question:
"But God plannED all this things,He DesignED it before the foundation of the world that some is will be coacroaches,birds,whos male and female,who will become tree that bears fruit and some is will be put on fire and it 100%accurately that it will happen.All is written down ,all is designed and planned already before the foundation of the world .Is it like creating a movie or book and you are the director or author of it."
how can we respond in this statement?Thank you
That was a lot of words provided to not even begin to answer the question. If someone asks the theological equivalent of "what does 2+2=?" and the answer is paragraph after paragraph then the answer is usually wrong and covering up something. If we have no free will then our every action, including all sin, is the responsibility of God who decided our will. The one and only way God isn't responsible for our sin is if we have free will.
Or just possibly, it's because to many people have bad presupposition that need to be unraveled first. Like for example define free will? It isn't a clear term at all. Calvinst do not deny man has a will but that it is a fallen will. We also believe God is sovereign over it because the Bible is clear on that in verse like Proverbs 16:9, Genesis 50:29-30, Isaiah 10:15, Judges 14:4.
Describe the Trinity in a 1+1 fashion, chances are you'll end up in a deep hearsay, some issues are just not so simple.
@@Jondoe_04none of us chose to br born into a fallen world
@@mrb532 so what.
@@Jondoe_04 our inherent nature is sinful and it was God who created us so God has to be responsible for sin. It's simple logic. God has a purpose for sin and He is using it to bring about His good. Idk why calvinists try and weasel out of this simple truth
@mrb532 No, Scripture actually directly deals with Ecclesiastes 7:29 and basically all of Romans 5. We made ourselves sinful, God did not make us sinful. God is not the author of sin, which is also dealt with in the book of James 1:13-15. Also, Calvinst do recognizes that God has a purpose for sin in Romans 9:22 He actually tells us why, and that is to make His power know and show mercy on the vessel He has chosen to show mercy. Calvinst do not agree with what you said because God is not at all responsible for sin. Man is fully responsible for sin. God, in some way, sovereignty allows sin, yet is not responsible for it. We do have a few examples of this in Job 1 and 2, where we see it from a heavenly point of view, and another example is Genesis 50:19-20 from an earthly perspective.
I listened to this like 4 times, to quote R.C. in a sense, it is what Colosians 2:8 (NLT) would call High sounding nonsense, and what (ESV) would call empty deceit.
As someone who has spent the last 2 years sincerely seeking Christ, and also ridding my self of cognitive dissonance, I can't embrace this with out the dissonance being embrace
i.e. A is A, but also not A.
God ordained who would and would not come to Him. That is Biblical. Humans don’t seek God on their own accord. Therefore, those not born of the Spirit will not come to faith.
@@blake8820 Humans do not seek God that is biblical, but the Bible also says that God calls ALL. There are 4 sentences in your comment, only the third is truly biblical.
I recommend you look at material from the vast majority of Christian teachers and scholars, or read the Bible, and set aside the doctrines created by men long dead, like the doctrine of "grace"
I have listened to many many Calvinist teachers, I haven't heard a single one of them fairly represent the non-calvinist position. If you are not listening to people pointing out the clear errors of Calvinism, you are missing some big points.
If no man seeks God, but he calls all men, do we need to seek God, or just respond to his call, and free gift. (If you need the verses I'm pulling from, lmk.)
@@blake8820 I read my Bible nearly every day, and I almost fell for Calvinism, it is a clever doctrine of the adversary.
@@travissharon1536 How is the first unbiblical when the Bible clearly talks about God choosing His children without regard to their actions? How is the fourth unbiblical when the Bible clearly states that unless you are born of the spirit you cannot enter the kingdom of God?
@@travissharon1536 Yes God calls those who will not come to faith. That is Biblical. Look at Matthew 19 where Jesus is talking about the judgement of Israel. In Matthew 20, we see that the self righteous mindset makes Israel just as guilty as those who don’t seek after God. Israel received the Gospel and were called to follow their Messiah, yet they collectively rejected Him. Why? For few of them were the elect. Few of them were chosen by God from the foundations of the world.
Yes God can give you to your reprobate mind or your harden heart, but that doesn't mean he is the ordainer of your reprobate mind or your harden heart...God stated very well that He has put before the children of Israel life and death and therefore he ask them to choose life. So if you choose death and your heart is hardened by your choice - then your heart will be harden and your mind will be reprobate and God will use that together for good for His Will since you can not be highly exalted above His Will.
Your understanding of Deuteronomy 30:19 presupposes libertarian free will. Yes it is indeed true that God commands the Israelites to "choose life", But when read in the context of the whole chapter, Moses reveals that the power to obey this command comes from regenerating grace:
"And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live." (Deut 30:6)
In other words, God commands people to obey, but he also supplies all the grace needed to do so. The command to believe does not itself contain the power to do so. God commanding obedience (what we ought to do) does not mean a person can do this apart from grace. God must set them free from innate love of sin and natural hostility to God, if they have any hope of moving toward Him. Left to ourselves we are too proud to let go of our self-complacency and self-righteousness and so we will never rightly understand our woeful, guilty, and lost condition, unless God grants it.
The power to obey is not on God circumcising their heart. That is an appointed blessing to those who are in the covenant...Check verse 17 & 18
Deu 30....15See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil,
16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His
commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your
God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.
17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods
and serve them,
18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land
which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess.
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death,
blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
If the old covenant the people of Israel they had to "choose life" by obeying the LAW of God - to be in the covenant with God. Today we have to "Confess our sin" to be Saved....
ROM 10...."10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto
salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who
call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Israel Rejects the Gospel
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in
Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
My point is if obedience came through circumcision of the heart for the children of Israel - then you'll have to remove verse 17 and 18, bcz they clearly states that (verse 17) "If your heart turns away" (verse 18) "You shall surely perish"...If your heart can turn away - then it was never circumcised, bcz you can not uncircumcised the heart!
@Sheep Dog lol
REPENT AND TRUST IN THE SAVIOR AND DO HIS WILL NOT YOURS AND YOU'LL BE FINE..AMEN.
Why God Made Adam the Way He Did
From a sermon by Elder Mike Ivey entitled-‘The Glory of God’
“Adam was the last free moral agent that will ever walk the earth. Adam was free to obey or else disobey God. There are some folks who say that the reason why God made Adam that way is so he [Adam] would disobey so that God could save us from our sins. But the reality is that He did that because there was more potential for greater glory in Adam than in anything else God created. You see, a rock cannot disobey because it can’t do anything but be a rock. Even the animals could only act within their nature and therefore were not free moral agents. But think for a minute that obedience is the moral underpinning by which God receives glory based on goodness that proceeds from obedience. If there is potential for disobedience then the glory that is produced is produced within that potential for disobedience. That is to say God received more glory from the obedience of man that could disobey than He could from a rock that cannot disobey. So God’s purpose in giving man a free will was not to set him up for failure but to give him an opportunity to glorify God in obedience in the environment of potential disobedience.”
That's not determinism
"Mental gymnastics".
The Bible says, "Choose you this day whom you will serve." If God determines or ordains, then there is no choosing. This is not Biblical. God in his complete Sovereignty, gives us enough free will to choose or reject Jesus.
Not true, Proverbs 16:9 just because you make a choice doesn't mean God doesn't know it from long ago and it also doesn't mean He didn't decree that you make that choice. We can see for example in Genesis 50:29-30 the brother choose to sell Jacob into slavery but it was 100% under the control of God.
@@Jondoe_04Calvinism makes God the author of every single sin and evil thing that has ever happened or will happen on earth. That's NOT the God of the Bible who "is love."
@Mike-qt7jp that's not true, and if you are going to claim that, I hope you at least picked up Calvin's institutes where he spent chapters laboring over how we do not believe that. You are objectively bearing false witness to a whole bunch of Christians. Here, let's ask a really easy question: Was the sins of Pilot predestined to happen? There is a verse in Acts that tells us that explicitly.
God has a purpose even in sinful action. That doesn't mean He forces us to act wickedly. There is plenty of Biblical evidence of God being sovereign even over sinful action such as Genesis 50:19-20, Isaiah 10:15, judges 14:4 there's more but I'll let you find the clearest example.
Also, a decree and an author are two different things a king decrees, an author makes. God gives you permission to sin. He does not make you sin. An author would make you sin. If anything happens, it is by the will of God.
@@Jondoe_04you are claiming A is not A
If Calvinism is incorrect what damage is being done by propagating it
@plumber1874 I don't even know how to respond to what you're asking. I think Calvinism is correct, I think this guy is either woefully misinformed or woefully uninformed. I think it accurately explains the Bible, but it no ways does it make the author of evil, as we have labored to explain that the sin comes from our own sinful nature's.
Calvinists are Paulinists, not Christian’s
Are you saying Paul wasn't a Christian? Also some of the strongest Reformed text are in John.
If God is God, why did he let Satan come into the Garden? because God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice, but then no choices so what choice did they have? God spoke to them, and if they didn’t hear anything else but God, what’s the point of free choice? That’s why he let the serpent in God says something, the serpent says something else, and they believe the serpent and choose to disobey God because God is Holy, they had to separate from God in sin and ever since there’s been a war and the war one day will end when every single person on the planet hears about Jesus has the same opportunity as Adam and Eve. The insanity of Calvinism is clearly told by RC. Sproul on answering a question on predestination, in short “…That God positively decrees and determines in advance those whom he will save namely the elect and in the same method he decrees the damnation of the sinner and that just as on the one hand he creates positively saving faith in the hearts of the elect he in an equally determined fashion creates fresh EVIL in the hearts of the reprobate to make sure they don’t come to BELIEVE “ James 1:13 Jeremiah 7:30-31 - “‘The people of Judah have DONE EVIL in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND. James 1:13 “Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one”. Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He "predestined" everything including the fall of man, sin, and evil. Calvinists also believe that God created man and then INTENTIONALLY predestined his fall and predestined sin and evil. If that is true, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and be deeply troubled afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God predestined the fall of man is debunked and blown out of the water. Genesis 6:6 - The Lord REGRETTED that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was DEEPLY TROUBLED. If YOU create something and then intentionally engineer it for FAILURE, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FEELING REGRET AND BE TROUBLED AFTERWARDS. Jeremiah 7:30-31 - “‘The people of Judah have DONE EVIL in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-SOMETHING I DID NOT COMMAND, NOR DID IT ENTER MY MIND The Bible teaches John 3:16, NOT "John Calvin 3:16".
What a confusing answer to a simple question
It was a very clear and concise answer. Sorry you were not able to understand.
Decree has more weight than the phrase-, God author of sin.If God Decreed everything then he created it( Isaiah 45:7) God created evil ,in metaphysical origin of evil, because God the first cause of all things.
How could such a seemingly smart and gifted man be so intellectually deceived and self conceited .
Absolute bummer.🤦🏼♂️
Maybe you’re the one deceived?
You know, I have heard Calvinist and Reformed believers say so many times “you just don’t know Calvinism/Reformed Theology” whenever issues arise and pointed questions are asked. And I used to think this was a valid defense, after all, they did have different, more specific words for things, so I thought they should be given a fair shake; “let’s not strawman after all”. But now I come to see that I think even they don’t know a lot of the time. And the system seems to hold up through obfuscation and confusion. And God is not the author of confusion, nor sin, nor did He “decree or ordain” these things.
I have also heard it said that “Calvinists have the same vocabulary, but a different dictionary”. I think that’s true.
Also, anyone notice how R.C. did not answer the specific question in regards to Adam and Eve? He said we sin by our desires (Compatibilism) but that doesn’t deal with the issue of Adam and Eve at that point not having sinful desires. So he definitely did wax eloquent for 5 minutes over the question, he just didn’t answer it.
@Mitchell Comrie, Well said! Even if Calvin comes, no answer for this…
No one has an answer for the origin of Adam's sin since the first 2 chapters of Genesis doesn't comment on Adam's nature prior to his fall. This remains a mystery for the issue of theodicy.
@@4jchan what do you mean by that? Couldn’t James 1:14-15 be an adequate answer?
“But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”
That seems to fit the narrative of Genesis 3:6
“So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.”
Couldn’t it be that Adam and Eve’s source of sin was their desire for something God forbade?
@@Boogachomper Everything you said is true. But it doesn't answer the bigger question. Adam was initially perfectly good or righteous before he sinned but where did the desire to sin come from? How did Adam go from desiring God to desiring to sin since he had no sin to begin with? Again no Christian theologian has ever answered this question since we don't know the nature of Adam before the fall. Man's nature after the fall is taught clearly from scripture but prefall, scripture is silent.
@@4jchanwhile I am reformed we do know the nature of Adam and Eve pre fall they were good, Ecclesiastes 7:29 God made man upright.... the question what cause the upright man to rebell and most people believe it was God's restrainting hand was lifted from them, similar (but the opposite case) it was applied to the man who wanted to sleep with Abraham's wife. Under the Reformed understanding it is right to say Adam and Eve had pride but also God had to decree that event would happen because it wouldn't happen if God didn't allow it to happen (literally everyone, even none reformed should agree to that point). Yet that doesn't make the author of sin but means He can still use the sinful desires of men for His good and glory.
No Calvinist can really answer this. The only way is that we truly have freewill and God is sovereign at the same time, which makes Calvinism only partially true.
Same conclusion I came to. Both must be true. We can't truly understand it, like the Trinity
The bible clearly says that before we are saved we are in bondage to sin (not free) and after we are saved we are slaves of righteousness. Yes we are free to do what we desire to do... but before we are saved our desire is inclined to sin.... when we are saved God supernaturally changes our sinful will to being a will that wants to be like Jesus.... so we have free will only in the sense that we are free to do what we want. Before salvation we prefer sin, after salvation we prefer righteousness.
@@LandB73
Yes but God can still enable you to do something without forcing you to do it. Just because I can't repent unless God changes my heart doesn't mean I can't choose to repent when God changes my heart. If I give you a million pounds to buy a mansion you can only do that because I enabled you, but me enabling you doesn't mean you have to do it. You could reject the money or spend it on something else. Enablement doesn't equal force which is why Calvinism is wrong. There is no contradiction between believing God enabled me and believing I chose to act on that gift of enablement. Nothing you have said in your comment nullifies freewill or choice in any way. I mean if God didn't create me with intelligence I could not have written this comment, but that doesn't mean that God made me write the comment or that I didn't choose to write it. He enabled me to, but I could have ignored your comment and not responded. God awakens the heart of a sinner so a person CAN accept Christ, not so they inevitably WILL. Enablement isn't force. Just because God makes it possible for you to believe doesn't mean you will. You're not a biological robot my friend. God didn't create you that way. You're right about what the Bible teaches, but wrong in your logical conclusion or interpretation of it.
Jesys said, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.” ~ John 12:32
All men are enabled, but that doesn't mean all men will respond to the gift of being enabled. Before being lifted up there was not the Holy Spirit convicting and enabling people, and there was no Gospel where the Holy Spirit could convict the world of sin and unrighteousness. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is working upon unbelievers convicting the world of sin and unrighteousness. Since he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and is convicting the wicked it must be therefore possible for them to repent after being convicted, otherwise he would be wasting his time.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446In relation to your John 12 32 ref. Is it possible that when all men are drawn they are all raised and enter heaven with Christ? (see John 6 35-70). I read these verses and see the power of God changing hearts and not just enabling fallen humans but actively purposing people to eternal life. If it is true that all who are drawn are raised and considering that not all men have believed, then John 12 32 cannot mean that Jesus generally draws every single individual who ever lived.
@@monsterhuntervideos4446 Sorry before and unless the [ dead in trespasses and sin's ] receives a supernatural touch from God he is unable and unwilling to become a believer. What do you believe is in the 2 or 3% of humanity that accepts Christ that is not in the 97% who reject Him or have never heard [ they both go to hell]? What strange possession does the 2 or 3% have . They must be more humble or intelligent or something. No they are unable---the natural man- 1Corinthians 2:14. Read about this natural man in Romans 3:10-18. Blind and lost like we all are before and unless the Holy Spirit touches us. This is what Christ was telling Nicodemus in John 3. You must be born again, and this new birth is in the power and administration of the Spirit John 3:6-12. It is so amazing to listen to folks that think they were "intelligent" enough to choose Christ when the vast majority of humanity have always rejected Him. What about the millions [ billions? ] who have never heard and yet are found guilty and condemned to hell---obviously you believe that isn't fair or you couldn't hold to the free will position. I know you have a way around it but Romans 9:10-24 is the clearly and concisely Greek text that Gid spoke to this question. Bottom line is verses 19-24
This is total dribble. God ordains everything to happen in a sense? What sense? No answer.Reformed theology has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
This was nearly my theology, except one or two sentences. Unfortunately other things Sproul said were very deterministic. I can't find any straight and consistent answer from Calvinists on this question. God knows all, that's for sure.
@@blake8820 Long comment incoming, please read! LMK if it sounds like blasphemy to you, please!
OK, if all things are predetermined, what, in your opinion would God not be the author of?
If all is predetermined, we are essentially characters in a novel. God made Adam, with the intent that he would fall. Likewise, he made Jeffery Dahmer with the intent of his dastardly deeds. How can you meticulously plan all events and not be the author of said events?
In my mind, it takes serious mental gymnastics to not make it so
Now, I believe God did know Adam would fall (most likely), but I believe the fall is a consequence of Adam being given the "Image of God" status, with the ability to chose. That singular ability necessitates the possibility of evil. God knew the evil would happen, but it is a consequence of his desire to have a true family capable of choosing to love him. What is the value of love if it is not chosen? The love that will be gained at the end of time is essentially the good God works all things towards.
Next is my opinion: God can create anything but the character that comes from experience.
This is not a biblical opinion in the sense that I can build it from scripture directly, but I believe choosing to love God is the point of our existence.
If it isn't, then logically we are either a tool for experience of God, or a story written for him, by him.
I have studied many biblical theories, Calvinism seems to need to change scripture, and twist the meaning of many passages to work, and it is essentially built on like 4 passages, thar can be interpreted differently. If I can interpret a small number of passages, and yield unity of the exact and pure word of God, that is my choice.
@@blake8820 Can you show me a verse or section or series of verses that says Regeneration proceeds faith? I know of more than one verse that pretty clearly states that Regeneration follows belief.
@@blake8820 As for God predetermining the individuals that come to faith. There are a few different ways to interpret the verses that lead to that belief. I prefer any of them that don't say God chose those who would be saved before the foundation of the earth. Solely because they promote scriptural unity
@@blake8820 You prefer Calvinist interpretation, unless God told you that you are right.
I prefer it, BECAUSE IT MAKES THE REST OF SCRIPTURE MAKE MORE SENSE. Not because it makes me feel good.
I don't get many of these comments. He explained it with Joseph, Jesus, and Judas.
He didn't explain, he gave his interpretation which no one held for the first 450 years of the church. The Bereans didn't take Paul's word for it so don't take R.C. Sproul's word for it
Incoherent .Sproul doesn,'t have a clue.