@@susanbrown4419 It's better not to be born then to constantly live in the fear of going to eternal torment. Even if you accept Jesus you can still go to hell. Just look at what Jesus said himself.... "Not everyone that says Lord Lord....". There is no guarantee of salvation. It does seem that the Bible God wants strict obedience through fear. Right now as is I love God and everything he says I have to love because I don't want to go to hell forever. I guess it's better to live in fear then to live in torment..... It maybe it's the same. I just don't want to go to hell forever please.
Christine Vest I wouldn't use the word discouraging. I hate it when pastors try to explain hell. There is no explanation just as there is no explanation for heaven. When was the last time Queen Elizabeth went out to the streets and brought in strangers to come live with her in the mansion? When was the last time a sitting US president went to jail for a couple of days in order to prevent vulnerable people from going to jail or becoming executed. It is better to concentrate on the goodness of God rather than dwell on hell. Humans live in two dimensions but we are allowed to see one. The culmination of that which happens in the background which we cannot see now is the reason for hell.
I mean, I think his answer ultimately boiled down to "God predestines/punishes people eternally for his own glory." And that's profoundly evil. Why would anyone want a relationship with a God like that?
@mono man There's still the issue, though, that God predestines people from the start. None of us asked to exist. If we end up going to hell because God wanted to glorify himself, I don't see how that would be compatible with a God who is supposed to be "love."
@mono man Mono man, I am a devil working for Satan; I know you as I know all the people who are going to Hell; let me warn you that you believe in the wrong God. I can't tell you which is the true one since all of you must pray and listen to the Allmighty. But let me tell you that as of today, you are going to Hell.
I'm a christian but it bugs me so bad when people beat around the Bush guy doesnt even come close to answering the closest answer he came up with is it's a mystery..
I think the first question we would have to answer is: 'Why did GOD allow Lucifer, who was maybe the most important archangel, to turn evil?". Why did GOD not prevent evil?
@@kareemdavis1500 well II can't tell you that 100%, since I don't know but satan saw Gods power and wanted to be higher than him." In Christian views it is an evil human act, which violates the rational nature of man as well as God's nature and his eternal law" ( this was from wikipedia) so how I understood, is that sin is acted by humans, so I don't know if satan is inside that definition, you can ask a pastor or someone with high theology knowledge. But the original sin as we all know it was made by Adam and Eve
Also he made satan prolly for the same reason I’m not exactly sure why he would make some one who would betray him but I would rather not be born than go to hell
How could the universe be created from nothing if not by God? The answer would be "well uh, I don't know and neither does anybody else, except those that believe in God.
We're going to hell for not believing in him. So he creates us, hides from us and we have to belive it was all him, cause if we don't we suffer forever. That sounds like some messed up game to me
@@maggieo1683 What proof are you talking about? There is plenty of evidence that God exists. Don't tell me you actually believe molecules of dirt assembled themselves to make the first living thing which is extreme foolishness.
@@dragonsforever534 Ah, so for free will, this God must NOT protect His own book, from corruption or distortion, then? What...ever... So important to keep in the bit about cursing children or stoning kids, or putting to death men for using the wrong incense, though - those are real keepers, it seems. Gotta leave them pristine...? I'll give you the 'death' is thrown into the Pit, though - but that doesn't resolve the torment, angle.
But I have the same question in the bible it says wide is the gate to destruction meaning more people go to hell so why would god create life if most people fo to hell??
Be honest - if you had never heard anything about the Christian religion and the Bible.. you would be scratching your head right now at the sheer lunacy of what this man is saying. Just one crazy assertion after another
@Emily Ceetain that's a cop out answer. The question is "Why would God create people he KNEW would spend an eternity in hell?" You're answer is "I don't know, only God knows." Well, first prove that God is what you think it is and that the Bible is the word of God and then we might at least have a foundation but you know that you can't even do that.
Why so ?its a good question rte.. even I have such doubts being an indian..coz according to Indian path there is no eternal hell and god didnt create the soul ..we were ever existing..so such questions arise when I compare and study both the ways .
"The Gospel is the plan of God to bridge the gap that sin created. Jesus lived the life we couldn't, died a death we should have, and rose again as a sign that what He said was true, giving the gift of the Spirit to empower us to live a resurrected lifestyle now as we await His return".
Created everything God created Satan God knew us before we were born in the womb so I'm having problems with prayer with everything that happens in the world period And I have a brother that is very naive yet people get killed just going to the store and you going to tell me they didn't pray in the morning God is cruel. I 100% believe in God I want represent believe in heaven and hell I 100% believe that God gave Satan dominion over the Earth if you want to think we have a living God I want to think that God is love and maybe you should read Jobe
God gave us all a very good conscience....Sometimes we need to go outside of the box we we're brought up from and explore other places....our answers will be found..
Exactly. I don't see how people could have free will if God knows their actions in advance, because if he's omniscient and knows everything, then there's no way for us to defy what he knows will happen.
@@rdhaley96 I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days. He simply refuses to understand what I'm saying. My exact question was "If God knows who is going to hell,why not prevent them from being born so they will not suffer?" He simply kept ramping on about how we make the choices and God is not responsible. Religious people sometimes severely anger me.
@@SerendipitousProvidence Exactly. Why do some babies get a free ticket to heaven while some have to take the chance of being in hell? It doesn't make sense.
@@rdhaley96 People think they have free will but this is an illusion. As Luther wrote after demolishing Erasmus' book "The Freedom of the Will", the will of man is in bondage and can by default only choose to sin. We need God's Holy Spirit by a divine act of Grace to work through us and give us the gift of saving faith.
Why teach that God will become unforgivable but teach you to forgive? Why will God make someone knowing they gonna fail? Why doesn’t God just stop Satan now to keep from misleading so many lives to failure?
You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all? The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it. _Romans 9:_ _22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?_ _23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory?_ _24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?_ But look at the previous verses: Romans 9: _17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”_ _18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills._ The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_* If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
Barley BROHERS--Yes! God that I worship loves ALL that He created & has SAVED ALL through Jesus His SON. The God of these HELL fire preachers is a false God made by the demented minds who despise sinners. Jesus & the Father God of us ALL loves us & tells us to love our enemies. A God of wrath & vengeance that punishes those that He created & knew before He created them that they would disobey them is not the God of Jesus or of creation. there is no fiery hell that God has made & the original word in the Hebrew as well as the Greek mean the grave where ALL that die go. Dust to dust & ashes to ashes. The soul & spirit go back to God & He will restore ALL things to the original state as the penalty for the disobedience was paid by Jesus. ALL will one day be reunited with God , Jesus , the angels & God will be ALL in ALL. Thanks God for your wonderful universe & beautiful world we live in .
Honestly, that's my question too. Only God has the actual true answers. I wish God would just be forward and tell us. The Bible is so confusing in it's wording and no human no matter how much studying they do can answer the big questions. To me it's just a bunch of guys taking guesses to fill in the blanks. I don't know what's true anymore.
@@maggieo1683 Pretty positive God worded it in a way that would only be understood by true believers/Christians. Meaning, it can only be translated by God's Holy Spirit.
Im a muslim but we belive in the same god so i think my answer would answer your question, bc god is testing us, if he straight up showed himself there wouldnt be any test, our choice makes us more powerfull than angels
@@3lif148 hey but that's just like I'm in court accused of a crime I said I did did not do, don't rely on witness, show the video type. That's my analogy.
@@Nerosii Very interesting statement with LOADS of stuff hanging off it. Have a look at these pages - www.desiringgod.org/articles/does-god-really-desire-all-to-be-saved www.gty.org/library/bibleqnas-library/QA0276/if-god-desires-all-men-to-be-saved-why-arent-they
You should of just said I dont know. It's ok to just say you dont know something and that's the problem now there are tomany people winging it when it comes to such a level of unknown wisdom and law that is beyond us just say I dont know sometimes
CS Lewis dealt with this better. People go to hell because they choose to by denying God / electing to eschew the free gift of salvation. It's their choice. Because God exists outside and AROUND time, He can see the beginning of time and the end. He doesn't pressure anyone into salvation. If they so happen to ignore God, He just happens to know that before they do. But it's still their choice.
God gave us all free will. Taught us right from wrong and the free will to chose the path we want to take. Just like we know we will burn in a fire and chose not to walk right into it. So likewise we need to watch and pray so that we can walk in the right path and have everlasting life
?? He did not answer the question! The video lasts for almost 13 minutes, yet he couldnt answer the question. The question was not why people end up in hell, but why God created people who will end up in Hell. He had no answer simply because this question cannot be answered by calvinists without revealing that their god is not the just and good God of The Bible.
Gabrielle Riah, Mount Zion Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? *he retaineth not* his anger for ever, *because he delighteth in mercy* Micah 7:18 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, *who is* the _Saviour of all men_ , specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10 There is no eternal hellfire.. This is doctrine of men added into the text through theological translations
Human are creations , not creators ! Creations cant make the laws or determine what will be good or evil The creator makes the laws and determines good and evil
Do you know the answer to it? No, do I know the answer? No, and thats why both of us are here, to try and understand this mystery. Humans don't know everything, and we need to understand that we are not even a quarter of a grain in the universe to try and understand God's mind.
My Pygmy mind sometimes feels great sadness for God. How lonely it must’ve been and boring. He did not want that same burden for all of us. Our suffering our struggles and then prevailing with his guidance and mentorship while growing and orienting ourselves to him is what makes existence fun and meaningful for both parties. He did not want to surround himself in perpetuity with automatons but with free willed beings that chose him and wanted him. This is done through our current existence a test that requires bad actors to make it interesting but also provide the trials and tribulations for those chosen few. That is my best attempt at answering that question friends.
Trillions burning for eternity seems like a very steep price to pay just to "escape boredom and make the test interesting." I'm not trying to be flip. I'm not accusing God of wrongdoing. It just doesn't make sense that a good existence for so few justifies the condemnation of so many when all of it could have been averted.
Hogwash. When things don't make sense, it's always "It's a mystery " followed by a very looooong explanation. If something is true, it doesn't need a zillion words to explain. What kind of father would have a bunch of kids, knowing beforehand that he would be sending them to a place like hell and have to listen to their screams eternally? Why even have kids? Insanity.
I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days now. All he is doing is keep saying that people make their own choices and that God simply knows because he is omniscient. I specifically asked why God doesn't prevent the person's birth to prevent that suffering,ye he simply responded that because the person will be making the choice. It is flabbergasting how they do this.
@@hussainiqbal9623 Ask why humans have to make those choices impaired, from birth, and among a minefield of disguised gods, spirits, and other factions - but angels never had to, too. Even the 'disloyal' ones. Could be a interesting reaction.
@@godstuffs7385 You know that is utterly impertinent to what he referred? God creates people knowing they would go to hell, not existing is infinitely better than going to hell, heck even risking hell is infinitely undesirable for many people
@@SerendipitousProvidenceIn other words you're calling a PERFECT GOD who DIED a HORRIBLE DEATH for every person, as being Evil ?? You're evil for saying that. He wants NONE to perish. He creates. You just want to be STUBBORN and CHOOSE WRONG !
2 Peter 3:9 King James Version (KJV) 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
I'm a Christian & always asked about it too. Most can't answer this question but one guy told me it's not my place( as the created), I have no right to question God about it. So although they're many things that I see as horrible for a loving God to allow I've got to keep telling myself that GOD IS ALWAYS RIGHT. He defines what is right and wrong, what is good or evil
I bet that leaves a terribly unsatisfying hole in your heart - to be fobbed off like that. God says to the Israelites - "Come let us reason together..." Does that sound like someone who cannot be questioned? Look at the Psalmists - daring to ask God "where were you when xyz happened...or is happening?" God is bigger than our small-mindedness. Ask genuine questions - just don't ask the questions that Satan asked to cast DOUBT on God when he tempted Eve in the garden of Eden!
God is always right? When is it ever right for a person to own another person as property and beat them as long as they don’t die. This is totally immoral and yet this is what Yahweh instructs in exodus 21. It’s ok to use your brain and think for yourself and not be blinded by religious dogma.
Ultimately it’s about a relationship, not just believing in. We can believe in a lot of things, but how has your belief in God, in Jesus, in walking with the Holy Spirit changed who you are? Are you dying to your desires daily? Do you pray and seek the direction of the Holy Spirit? Are you a known sinner who repents and KNOWS you need a savior? Has Jesus become your savior? The Bible is clear that even the demons believed in Jesus. The demons knew Jesus’ voice… but until we have a fully surrendered heart, we aren’t truly saved from anything. I hope this makes sense? Helps a little? I don’t believe anyone who just believes in God, will go to Heaven. How do we live? Are we living for ourselves or for God? The Bible is so clear on this and gives us a beautiful guide on how to live ❤️ I really hopes this helps…
“Believing in God” does not get anyone into heaven. Satan believes in God and he ain’t goin there! Faith in what Jesus did on the cross for us gets us to heaven!
Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan12:13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.” rev20:5 And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. couple questions ? who is asleep in the dust of the earth awakening to everlasting contempt , shouldn't they be in eternal conscious torture land !! is Danial planning on going to heaven or being resurrected into the kingdom? who reigned with christ for the 1000 years, what dead are resurrected after the 1000 years, ? in rev20:5 Romans 5:18-19 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Titus2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. colossians1:20 and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. 2 Corinthians 5 :19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 1tim4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. if you need help in understanding what all means ..let me know..!
Sure there is. It's all through the bible. It's when we create a perverted view of God (Calvinism), that we struggle to put the pieces to together. For God to be loving and just, he has to allow all men the opportunity of coming to Him. The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." Rev 22
@@capturehishonor9292 no when we dont rightly divide the word of truth, then we think Israels program is for us , which it is not !! we are in in the mystery dispensation of Grace! I don't even know what your saying ! sure there is what? hebrews , and James and rev is all to and for the nation of Israel only!! we the church will be snatched away before any of the jew stuff in rev takes place
Here's the real question, if someone sins but hates it and let's say it's uncontrollable and they try try and try but still continue to sin. Basically person is living in their own hell on Earth. Why would God send someone that's already in hell to a hell worse than their own hell on Earth. That doesn't sound right to be honest, or loving. You would think God would make them clean if they hate sin. I don't know though any thoughts?
Why do you say that? Do you not want justice to be done when someone rapes three small girls and then murders them? Do you not want a judge who is good enough to send such a person to jail or the gallows? God is so good that He will take care of anyone that tells a lie, steals what is not theirs, blasphemes His name, disobeys and dishonors their parents, fornicates, commits adultery, murders and even covets - and let's not forget the all too common one - making a god to suit oneself, ie. idolatry.
@@kevinrtresthen if he did not exist she will not experienced those kind of things, so if there's no people who did not exist to do that then there will no be suffering that each of us will experienced individually.
Actually doesn't God gave y'all free will he still created us cus he loves us but y'all choose to reject him so it's all on y'all he didn't create robots he wanted real human beings 😂but y'all refuse to follow him so y'all get consequences for that
When - any creator - give his creation: "The right to choose", he has taken away his ability - "To know for sure". That should not be too difficult to understand.
Aage152 this is the best answer I’ve come across. If God, our creator, who is all powerful gave us the right to CHOOSE our destiny, he may have taken away HIS OWN ABILITY to know our outcome. If HE is all powerful and all knowing he is fully capable of taking away HIS OWN ABILITY TO KNOW FOR SURE. This is arguable but this is a great answer. Thank you.
Tyler Billow: Thankyou for: . The positive response TO my comment - and . an excellent elaboration OF my comment. --- Thanks to your elaboration - you have taken away every possibility .. for a misunderstanding. It is seldom I experience this. You must be an intelligent man.
@Loriane: You are right, Loriane. That is the main rule AND as we know, that every rule has an exception. When God gave us, the right to choose, He MADE that exception - because: If God can say .. for sure - what we will do - then we don't have the right to choose. --- IF we don't have that right .. what is there to judge us for .. on the doomsday? Then - God will be responsible for every thing we do .. because we will not be responsible for our actions. HOW can we LEARN, under circumstances like that?
So God's default position, created the moment Adam sinned (which God somehow couldn't foretell), is that everyone goes to Hell and suffers for eternity. That was NOT his default position before Adam bit the apple? Now, because of the actions of one man, a very, very slim minority will escape this torment by accepting Christ as the true and only son of the Creator and in doing so all sins are pardoned. God already knows who will be saved and who will end up in eternal torment? I LOVE the Creator, but HOW can this be true of the the Heavenly Father? He knows how many hairs are on your head. He knew you before you were born, He knew the day you would be born, and He knows the day you will die. I LOVE Jesus, I love the Creator, I love the Holy Spirit. I welcome them all into my life, I accept that Jesus died to cover my many failings, but I do not welcome any Christian teacher who claims my Lord is capable of perpetrating such evil. Burning and perpetually torturing ignorant humans (intentionally designed imperfect by Himself), his very own children, is evil. I'm sorry; this is not acceptable on any level. To talk circles around this, twist words, and contort language to excuse this is outrageous. I pray to God He forgives me for holding fast to my belief that His love is more powerful than man's ignorant, corrupt interpretation of his holy word. I pray he forgives all Christians for believing this about Him.
I’m not very experienced with the Bible but from what I’ve learned so far is that god gave us free will and Jesus Christ Maybe god doesn’t create us. Because of free will, we make each other and god introduces himself with the gospel and it’s up to us to believe it? Very interesting question but that’s my view on it
I don't get why God doesn't show more people his love. Most people in my opinion aren't deliberately trying to not choose God or be super selfish. Most people in my opinion simply aren't given a fair chance to know God because the devil messes with them so much. And they're supposed to go to hell for that? God created hell and the devil. I get murderers and rapists and abusers etc., but it doesn't seem fair for so many people to be destined to suffer for eternity for something completely out of their control.
God never created people to be evil. God created people to be independent and have independent thoughts. Through their independency they chose to do evil instead of good. In the Apocrypha God talks about separating himself the light in the darkness and placing the light as the greater thing in the darkness as the lesser thing. and he placed the light at the top, and the darkness at the bottom of the Earth.he chose for the good to rule and for the evil to be under its foot. Humans have the same choice but some choose to have the darkness rule and the light under the foot.
Not suppose to question the lord thy God ! He is the creator of heaven and earth he holds all the answers because of he is who he is in Jesus name amen
if you are sitting under condemnation based breaching disguised as grace, get up and leave, and know that your eternal security is essential doctrine, God himself says so
Being as Evil as I Have Been I Wish I Was Never the Way I Was, But I Do Understand That I Made Choices, And I Take Accountability I Just Pray Jesus Will Give Me Grace and Mercy to Choose the Right Path Now that I Fully Understand How Bad Sin Can Take You, And I Really Wish I Would have Not Chosen This Route, Praying Hoping He is Willing to Redeem My Life.
There isn’t anyone Jesus can’t save! Turn your heart fully toward him. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide and direct your path. Turn from yourself and your ways to God and his ways. Jesus lays it all out for us in the Gospels. It’s not too late until it’s too late. Meaning as long as you have breath to breathe, YOU CAN CHOOSE JESUS! Surrender today! Get into a Bible teaching truth church. Not a fluff preaching feel good church. Jesus preached truth, not feel good theology. ❤️ He loves you! He sees you and he sees your heart!!! Come to him!!
@@meganfrump8178 Please Keep Me in Prayer I Am Turning to Christ With All I Know How, And Trusting Him That His Sacrifice Was and is Sufficient for Even My Worst Sin...This is My Only Hope, In Christ and What He Did For Us... Taking it Day By Day and Growing in Faith...I Am Grateful Just for Breath to Breathe My Actions Said I Don't Deserve it His Actions Said I Do, And I Believe.
@@SD_Chosen Heavenly Father, I come to right now in the presence of the Holy Spirit and I life of Shype to you! God you know ever last detail of his life. You formed him and created him. You love him more than he’ll ever fully understand and you desire for him to be with you in heaven! God, I pray right now that you would give Shype a peace and comfort that only you can give. God help him to see YOUR TRUTH, and that there isn’t any way he can earn a way into heaven, nothing we do here on earth is ever “good enough” father, take him in your arms. Let him feel your love and comfort. God show him the scriptures and what your word says! All are sinners, all deserve death, BUT JESUS! Jesus took our place, he took mine and Shype’s so that we, one day, will be in your presence. As he picks up his cross DAILY, as the Bible says we should, I pray he feels YOUR STRENGTH encompass him! That through you he knows he’ll be ok. And that his heart continues to seek you and your truth!!! Thank you Lord for his humbleness, thank you God that he ONOWS he needs a savior! And THANK YOU GOD for giving us that savior in Jesus!!! Thank you Jesus for going to the cross for our sins and for your blood to cover us 100%! God I pray right now that Shype is in your word, that he is studying what Jesus said, that he knows the good news. I pray that when he comes to something he doesn’t quite understand that he will bring it to you and rest in your sovereignty, in that you are all knowing, all powerful! And that you alone are good and want good things for Shype! God we know that through the Bible that you don’t want us to turn from sun because it is so good for us, no, sun HURTS US, and you hate to see us hurt! That’s why you desire for us to seek first the Kingdom of the Lord!! God we love you, we praise you, we thank you and we trust in you! You see our hearts you know us inside out. Show Shype today where he needs less of himself and more of you Lord! We love you Jesus, and we know that without your sacrifice salvation and life eternal with you and the father would be impossible. I pray for my brother Shype, I thank you for his boldness in asking and seeking prayer and you oh lord!! God help us all, who seek you to truly find you! Help us not to miss you, we love and it’s in Jesus’ name we pray! Amen.. ❤️
Give Jesus your life. Let Him live with you and guard you. You will make mistakes along the way, but repent and ask for forgiveness and mercy once you realise it He is the way, truth and the light. Accept Him as your saviour, be born again and live the rest to God. He is a Loving God.
No baby is born evil, we are all pure and innocent when we are born. God only has a beautiful picture for us, we make the wrong choices and fall off the beautiful path he has for us. He tries putting us back on that path, but we must let him help us. If we refuse to change and listen to that inner voice which is God speaking to our soul he cannot do more. I think that no human is born evil. We are all born to his image and Alikeness. We are all intelligent beings God is intelligence, if we decide to use it for evil, he cannot do more than try putting us back on our paths.
Free will. The Bible makes it very clear why people will go to hell. Even before humans were born, Satan did Not want to submit to God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but wanted to be a god himself; which takes in many forms, so God cast Satan out of heaven and he was destined for hell forever. So anyone who Does want to fully Surrender to God and believe in Christ who had to die for their sins as a perfect sinless sacrifice will be welcomed into heaven forever. Anyone that makes the "CHOICE" Not to submit to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are themselves "CHOOSING" to follow after Satan, the Anti-Christs, and the False Teachers in all kinds of churches/religeons will all go to hell with Satan.
Mark 9:43-48 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:) 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:) 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be (cast into hell fire:) 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Some of us have a need for God and most people don't seem to. It's sad for us that do most people that do have had a very hard life and no it's not fair so what's the sense in it?
When we have nothing to compare our own salvation too, i find myself in constant fear im doing something wrong... my walk in Jesus is new. I talk to him like he is my true family which is how I feel. But then, i find teachers who in video claim they can teach us how to pray. Is their a right and wrong way to pray? Often prayer uses words that feel awkward to me and sound awkward coming from me. Further, i just learn of the Sabbath being the fourth of the 10 commandment but what if i fall short in observing it properly? Sunday has been so ingrained in our programming and not just for worship but as the day before dreaded Monday or the day after Friday which we are eager to do things we couldnt get do during the week. Or go somewhere, where undoubtedly, a worker is present to take admission to get in or take payment for gas to get there. I understand the why of the 7th day of rest, and understand the evil behind man changing it to Sunday but... as a commandment, i forsee many people falling short of keeping it and therefore falling short with Gods commands of us. Its confusing, yet critical and maybe the kingdom has only so many spots that all sins, even unintentional must be considered by God for entry. Then there is the book of life. Is it possible to feel certain your name is in it, only to find out otherwise? Or discover a sin you commit but dont think its critical in Gods eyes, like telling someone they look nice when they reveal a new haircut that is not so nice in your eyes and therefore, not so nice in God eyes. I need assurance to feel complete in my faith and walk with my Lord. Faith. Thats another one. One day I have it, another day I dont. Salvation come by faith. Am i doomed?
This is the most honest answer anyone can give on the "WHY's" of God that aren't answered in the Bible. I find it laughable when Christians want to convert non-believers to Christ and when asked the hard questions, pastors either dance around the answer or say because "He's God, He can do whatever He wants, and we don't question God." Yeah, that's reassuring. SMH. It's a journey to get to the point of having full faith in the Lord (for those who believe there's a higher power out there)...it doesn't happen overnight. So when the hard questions are asked, just say you don't know. Geesh!
@@trishamorris5097 For now we see only a reflec tion as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
@@trishamorris5097 Well, actually there is an answer - maybe just not in the normal human form we'd like to have. You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all? The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it. Romans 9: 22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory? 24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? But look at the previous verses: Romans 9: 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_* If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
"I felt quite sure the creature I was looking at was what we called good. But I wasn't sure whether I *liked* goodness so much as I'd once supposed. This is a very terrible experience. As long as the thing you're afraid of is evil, you may still hope that the good will come to your rescue. But suppose you struggle through to the good, and find it to be just as dreadful. How, if food turns out to be the very thing you can't eat, or home the very place you can't live, or your very Comforter the One Who makes you uncomfortable. Then, indeed, there is no rescue possible. The last card has been played." Not my own quote.
The answer is simple.. There is no eternal torment in hell. How can you say God, who wishes all the be saved and none to perish..would ever not get his way. Oh because hell is a Refiners Oven.. And God is going to refine everyone through it
I believe that God does so many things in the background in order to prevent hell. I cannot imagine life without a hell. I have a problem with an everlasting hell, though. But if rapists and murderess were released after one billion years would they love God? The answer is NO. I wish the torments were a lot less.
Rapsists and murderers can be forgiven at Earth. God forgives all. But if you reject God ( Jesus) you alone go to a place without his presence which is all bad stuff ( hell).
God never violates our free will, even though He knows which way we will go. People do not go to hellfire because of sin (God has concluded that all are sold under sin), but because of rejecting the salvation that God has provided through His Son. "He who believes on the Son has everlasting life: but he who does not believe on the Son will not see life; but the wrath of God abides upon Him." John 3:36
@YM 7 Job said very similar things during some of the worst calamities that could befall a very blessed man, but go and see what he said in his final analysis.
The best answer to this question is. 👇 Isaiah 55:8-9 "FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, SAITH THE LORD GOD. FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, & MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS." Amen.
It wouldn’t be fair to let non believers at least exist while at the same time giving them the potential to be inspired by his divine presence. Its free will so everyone in the end has a chance.
People go to hell because they prefer their sin to God. They love darkness instead of light, because their deeds are evil (John 3:19). Jesus said that "this is the condemnation".
Still, how is it justifiable to throw a living being into eternal punishment for the mistakes it made in such a tiny lifespan? This sounds very very hard and unloving to me. I can imagine that a god of love and unending intelligence would find a better soultion to the problem of sin than eternal torture. It's hard to comprehend for me...
Tony Maccaroni satan controls sin, the world is evil that is why it’s so tempting , god is there to give us a way out he wants to save us. If we repent our sins and accept him into our hearts he will save us. He knows we aren’t perfect and he will forgive. Now that’s a loving God. He gave us free will we created the mess we are in . It has nothing to With God he wants to give us a way out.
@@n-plane And there might not be anything wrong with that. The Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom. Saved people will have eternity to explore how high and wide and deep the love of God is. Here on Earth, it may actually just be easier to relate to God through fear (reverence), as opposed to love.
I get how God must punish crimes. I get that the soul is fixed in its direction after death. I dont get how an allknowing, all poweful and loving god can let people who end up in hell be born. Surely mercy would be to only let people capable of redemtion be born?
Questions comes when people don't get involve in it, eg. If u wanna know how shoes where made in nike company u should join the Nike company. Like wise if wanna know something about any religion, get involve in it, read the books, follow their routine, eventually you'll understand all your questions but u won't be able to able to express it out because to understand such answer one should go through what you've gone. Sorry for my bad English
@@Godisreal123 It is written in the bible that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Don't think that God has any pleasure when people go to hell.
He is a LOT more strict and less compassionate than I thought He was. He expects a lot out of us. Terrifying. It's the most traumatizing thing I have ever experienced in my life- and I've experienced a ton of trauma.
Why would God create only the people who He knows that would choose Him? Because that would make Him selfish. So to answer the question. It’s easy. God loves mankind enough to give mankind a choice to love Him back.
Laborer in the field- Yes! And God wills that none perish but ALL come to repentance. And they will for every knee will bow & every tongue will confess that Jesus is LORD to the glory of God.
Yes, that's what came to my mind also. Satan's will is for Christians to possess a prideful arrogance. It is disrespectful to God, to think that we could ever comprehend the reasoning of his will. You would have to think that you were equal to God, to be able to understand. Sound familiar? Prideful arrogance is an attribute of Satan...not Jesus.
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION 1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life. GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life . 2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not, Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed . Romans 9:23 Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ? Lets see There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved. Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY . Segregation of the already predestined . What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell. example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments 3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
I ask every pastor this if there god really do this he is a cruel individual are he isn’t as powerful as they make him to be why creat me if u know m going to hell thats just torture
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION 1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life. GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life . 2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not, Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed . Romans 9:23 Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ? Lets see There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link. bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved. Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY . Segregation of the already predestined . What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell. example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments 3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
@@Caleb2omega so what about folks who have never heard of Jesus? Are they meant to be in Hell. Does that mean my distant forefathers who never heard of Christ are doomed to eternal suffering?
I don't think that is true. I mean it takes the free will away from those that weren't created (although that doesn't make sense) but for those that are created that he knows will choose Him, they still have a "choice" but at least they aren't going to perish in hell for eternity because God knew that THEY would choose him in their own time before they died. Their free will would not be taken away.
Not everything is predestined. God gave a human his own will, and it is that human's choice whether to do deeds that will lead to a life in Hell or to not do them.
Why would I care what some kid killer, or jealous, possessive god, who slays people for bringing the wrong INCENSE to a ceremony, thinks, though, @Timid Jawa ? Speaking hypothetically, that is. I mean, that is just ONE god candidate, too, among many - and by one type of Christianity, or more...
@@Candidd889 Yes, I think God doesn't know what choices humans will make. He knows the variety of options and their consequences, but he can only predict humans behavior.
I used to ask this question myself but then I realized God isn't going to withhold the possibility of some going to Heaven for the sake of those who reject him and go to hell. Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame. I found the parable of the wheat and the tares to be EXTREMELY helpful when answering this question. (Matthew 13:27-30) In summary of this parable Jesus is saying if you take away all the tares (unbelievers/ evil doers ) from the field you might uproot the wheat ( believers/ those who will come to Christ) with them. Both grow together and even those who choose to reject Christ still in some way play a role in those people lives who will come to Christ.
What makes an unbeliever evil, then, @Bunny Official , and which Christianity or soteriology, or Christology, are they not believing in, either? Which is the 'right' or most 'inerrant' one, too? And why give up half of Christendom, at times, seemingly, to 'wrong' ones, too...
What you're saying is a complete paradox. "Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame." Perhaps a logical statement but it doesn't change the point, which is that God knows who will reject him and go to hell before they even come into existence. The question is, why bring a person into existence, even if the person has free will, God know what that person will do with their free will and ultimately where they will end up. Eternity is incomprehensible, a loving God (don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and believe he wants the best for all) who will "allow" a person to come into existence well knowing they will suffer endlessly forever and ever after death. Instead of the perfect answer I simply believe our minds will never be able to comprehend the true nature of this question. Like an ant, no matter what, will never comprehend why humans do what we do.
@@jy1240 Precisely. They NEVER seem to get this. And then there's all this sketchy 'natural man' crap, from 1 Corinthians 2:14. Which on the surface CONTRADICTS Romans 1:20's claims, about nature, and also, most humans had no CHOICE in being born/made natural men. But all angels did. And they certainly didn't all believe the 'logic' in Romans 1:20, or at least, the rebel ones didn't. But most humans are born not knowing which god is real, or how many, so the 'attitude of rebellion' cannot relate to that. In short, yes, it is silly, somewhat.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. He created them to glorifying himself as a righteous judge.
so they would interact with those who are to be saved to get them in a position so he can save them. and test them through the unsaved sinful behavior towards them..
The best way to explain the trinity is compare to water. It can be frozen and it is water, it can be heated and turns to steam, but still water, or it can be in liquid state.
he loves us so much that he gave us the freedom to love him or not, he didn’t want to force his love on us and that’s how much GOD really cares and loves for you
He answered it very bluntly. You just don’t like the answer. God created people for the specific purpose of spending eternity in torment, to magnify his own glory. What he danced around is the morality of such a god. If you can’t stomach such an act, then you will follow the evidence and become a maltheist, like I did. It’s a terrifying existence.
Deborous Patterson jr- God created evil before He created man & foreknew that man would sin. He also provided for the penalty for sin to redeem his creation before the foundation of the earth. (ALL) back to His family. ALL have sinned & come short of the glory of God. In Adam ALL die & Jesus died for ALL to be made alive again. It is ALL in the bible & revealed to believers by the Holy Spirit.
Deborous Patterson jr. Yes! But God foreknew that man would sin. & provided the means for redemption through Jesus His Son. The "LAMB (JESUS CHRIST) OF GOD WAS SLAIN FROM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD". Thank God for His salvation that is the good news (Gospel). 1 Timothy 4:10 & many others.
Good thing. As Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and Exodus 21 were all pretty rubbish. Also, why does Romans 1:20 make so little sense? Nature was not SOLELY controlled by God - so James 3:15 and other verses imply. So why should it be an infallible guide to sceptics?
The actual direct answer to the question begins at 10:20. I would suppose that many viewers would not think this answer to be satisfactory as it is, essentially : "Because God wanted to...He is sovereign...no debate...like it or not...oh, and, from God's perspective, He gives the person millions, literally millions, of very easy opportunities, during that person's lifetime, to repent and accept the FREE gift of salvation through Jesus, but the person repeatedly refuses. Hence, from God's perspective, which is the only perspective that matters, God is blameless for that person's ultimate destiny in hell."
Bruh this guy cant answer a simple question....First off god doesn't have the attribute of love, God IS love. In order for him to show his love (grace and mercy is the kind of love god has for us) he NEEDED to create sinners so he can show his grace and mercy. God wanted us to Love him and love by definition has to be freely given. He doesn't want robots worshipping him. The only way to achieve that is to also give ppl the ability to rebel against him. Also just because god knows your going to hell, it doesn't mean he forced you to sin. He only simply just knows. God is always knocking on the door of your heart with a free invitation for you to be with him in heaven. The question is, will you open the door and accept it? It would be unloving of god to force ppl to be with him in heaven against their free will. Also think about this.... Could he have logically made a universe where everybody would love him? Sure BUT that's not practical or reasonable with free creatures. Maybe he created a universe with the maximum amount of ppl saved and the minimal amount of ppl unsaved. Also I just want to say is that god has the absolute right to make this kind of universe just like we are able to make a lego set and destroy it anytime and in any fashion we want to. So he cant do anything wrong. God doesn't owe us anything. We are the ones who sin against him everyday. God made us in his IMAGE(soul and spirit) and LIKENESS(Our flesh) now its time to give the lord back what rightfully belongs to him.
There is hope. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.” -John 3:16-21 All you must do is repent(change your mind about trusting in whatever you're trusting to make you right with a holy God) and believe on the Son.
Here is an interesting answer from the Bible. Romans 9: 22-23 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.
Well, it's rhetorical, isn't it, @Tom Park ? And didn't Paul refute, it later on? And so much for free will, if not. Anyway, when have any angels had their very natures, be it as 'natural men', chosen for them, pre birth, too? And I mean chosen whether by Eve, or otherwise.
If GOD knows that I’m going to spend eternity in hell I would rather not have been born...
Because he works in mysterious ways 😂
Have you considered giving Christ a chance? Knock and he will open the door.
@@susanbrown4419 Better not born than give Christ a chance
@@empressatheism5146 well u have free will but if I were you I would rethink that
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It's better not to be born then to constantly live in the fear of going to eternal torment.
Even if you accept Jesus you can still go to hell. Just look at what Jesus said himself.... "Not everyone that says Lord Lord....".
There is no guarantee of salvation.
It does seem that the Bible God wants strict obedience through fear.
Right now as is I love God and everything he says I have to love because I don't want to go to hell forever.
I guess it's better to live in fear then to live in torment..... It maybe it's the same. I just don't want to go to hell forever please.
He did his best but he didn`t answer the question. I doubt anybody can answer the question except God.
k odu which is kind of scary and discouraging for us living on earth. Or at least me
Christine Vest I wouldn't use the word discouraging. I hate it when pastors try to explain hell. There is no explanation just as there is no explanation for heaven. When was the last time Queen Elizabeth went out to the streets and brought in strangers to come live with her in the mansion? When was the last time a sitting US president went to jail for a couple of days in order to prevent vulnerable people from going to jail or becoming executed. It is better to concentrate on the goodness of God rather than dwell on hell.
Humans live in two dimensions but we are allowed to see one. The culmination of that which happens in the background which we cannot see now is the reason for hell.
k odu m
Its cause this isnt what the bible taught in Greek..
k odu facts !!!
He should have just said "I don't know." Rather than waffling on for 12 minutes.
I mean, I think his answer ultimately boiled down to "God predestines/punishes people eternally for his own glory." And that's profoundly evil. Why would anyone want a relationship with a God like that?
@mono man There's still the issue, though, that God predestines people from the start. None of us asked to exist. If we end up going to hell because God wanted to glorify himself, I don't see how that would be compatible with a God who is supposed to be "love."
I think god noticed he was existing and decided to give himself memory, shape, people.
@mono man Mono man, I am a devil working for Satan; I know you as I know all the people who are going to Hell; let me warn you that you believe in the wrong God. I can't tell you which is the true one since all of you must pray and listen to the Allmighty. But let me tell you that as of today, you are going to Hell.
Lol
I'm a christian but it bugs me so bad when people beat around the Bush guy doesnt even come close to answering the closest answer he came up with is it's a mystery..
I think the first question we would have to answer is: 'Why did GOD allow Lucifer, who was maybe the most important archangel, to turn evil?". Why did GOD not prevent evil?
Why could he then AFFECT Earth? What needed to be known by doing this?
@@chrissonofpear1384 satan really hated and hates God so he chose to convince the human mind to revel against its creator
@@melanievictoriamontoya9682 so it sounds like the first sin accrue in heaven!
@@kareemdavis1500 well II can't tell you that 100%, since I don't know but satan saw Gods power and wanted to be higher than him." In Christian views it is an evil human act, which violates the rational nature of man as well as God's nature and his eternal law" ( this was from wikipedia) so how I understood, is that sin is acted by humans, so I don't know if satan is inside that definition, you can ask a pastor or someone with high theology knowledge. But the original sin as we all know it was made by Adam and Eve
@@melanievictoriamontoya9682 ok so does the devil have a free will, can the devil make a free will choice to come to god right now?
Almost 13 minutes, and he doesn't answer the question.
Why could demons reach Earth?
lol
He did say it's a mystery. If you would pay attention..
Carlos Cruz cause that’s a answer 🤦🏽♂️
@Hans Hoerdemann Yeah, this guy must be a politician.
He didn't answer the question because he doesn't know the answer.
No one but God knows, or do you know ?
Melanie Victoria Montoya if that’s your agruement this a piss poor one
In nothing maybe particles self created by accident made sense to itself that it was existing and remodeled itself.
I’m not sure but I think god puts you here to test your heart weather you truly love him or not an if you fail that’s the beings fought
Also he made satan prolly for the same reason I’m not exactly sure why he would make some one who would betray him but I would rather not be born than go to hell
The reply to this question is always some form of “well, uh, I don’t know but god does” lol
Yeah all they no is the bible is the word of god😄
Jabbar Davis “know”
@@blakeyou538 nowhe*
How could the universe be created from nothing if not by God?
The answer would be "well uh, I don't know and neither does anybody else, except those that believe in God.
What do you believe in?
The man on the left asked one question. The man on the right did not answer the question, but he answered a lot of questions which were not asked.
True. Some questions just can’t be answered. I think he should have just say he didnt know
Yeah and it only took twelve and a half minutes
Indeed. He was on a tanget
@@liza3337 😆 🤣 😂 love it
Red herrings, my good man. Calvies are masterful at it.
We're going to hell for not believing in him. So he creates us, hides from us and we have to belive it was all him, cause if we don't we suffer forever. That sounds like some messed up game to me
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Honestly, I kind of agree with you. How can we take his word for it without proof? I don't know what to believe. Creating hell seems unloving to me.
@@maggieo1683 What proof are you talking about? There is plenty of evidence that God exists. Don't tell me you actually believe molecules of dirt assembled themselves to make the first living thing which is extreme foolishness.
@@dragonsforever534 Ah, so for free will, this God must NOT protect His own book, from corruption or distortion, then? What...ever...
So important to keep in the bit about cursing children or stoning kids, or putting to death men for using the wrong incense, though - those are real keepers, it seems. Gotta leave them pristine...?
I'll give you the 'death' is thrown into the Pit, though - but that doesn't resolve the torment, angle.
But I have the same question in the bible it says wide is the gate to destruction meaning more people go to hell so why would god create life if most people fo to hell??
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Be honest - if you had never heard anything about the Christian religion and the Bible.. you would be scratching your head right now at the sheer lunacy of what this man is saying. Just one crazy assertion after another
Short answer is, he doesn't know but some how it will glorify God.
@Emily Ceetain that's a cop out answer. The question is "Why would God create people he KNEW would spend an eternity in hell?" You're answer is "I don't know, only God knows." Well, first prove that God is what you think it is and that the Bible is the word of God and then we might at least have a foundation but you know that you can't even do that.
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People who ask these questions are questioning their own existence.
Why so ?its a good question rte.. even I have such doubts being an indian..coz according to Indian path there is no eternal hell and god didnt create the soul ..we were ever existing..so such questions arise when I compare and study both the ways .
that is goddamn right
How deep... Oh my God... Plato reincarnated...
@@truthseeker3187 so...you’re questioning your existence 😀
@@elyssecumberland5688 I'm not..I'm just getting to learn different faith and wondering why is it not inclusive as mine ..
Everybody is born into this Dark World now we need to find the light and the light is Jesus..
Funny seeing the unintentional Nordic link to that term...?
But Jesus said no one can come to me except he who my fathet hs enabled, meaning if God doesn't help you, you are helpless to see that light.
Which Father?
The one in the Sermon on the Mount, or the one In Exodus 21:20 and Numbers 11:19?
And are we talking a father or a Farmer?
Nah
My butt.
nice man . there is only hope for some people and not hope for many 👎🏽 wish i was never born
This teacher is incorrect. There is hope for everyone. That hope is Jesus. He will not turn anyone away. That is the true good news.
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"The Gospel is the plan of God to bridge the gap that sin created. Jesus lived the life we couldn't, died a death we should have, and rose again as a sign that what He said was true, giving the gift of the Spirit to empower us to live a resurrected lifestyle now as we await His return".
Created everything God created Satan God knew us before we were born in the womb so I'm having problems with prayer with everything that happens in the world period And I have a brother that is very naive yet people get killed just going to the store and you going to tell me they didn't pray in the morning God is cruel. I 100% believe in God I want represent believe in heaven and hell I 100% believe that God gave Satan dominion over the Earth if you want to think we have a living God I want to think that God is love and maybe you should read Jobe
Good, Cathy. Honesty.
So why does the holy spirit make me sin everyday
@@edwintucker5674 The holy Spirit doesn't make you sin, those are your mortal sinful desires because we live in a fallen world.
It's called free will we're such a spoiled people we were allowed to make our choices it's a choice we ourselves make
Karen Otte That depends
Right these ppl dum asf😂
God gave us all a very good conscience....Sometimes we need to go outside of the box we we're brought up from and explore other places....our answers will be found..
Rest in Peace. You were the reason for my attendance. Great minister
You can't be responsible for your actions if God knows everything what you will choose
Exactly. I don't see how people could have free will if God knows their actions in advance, because if he's omniscient and knows everything, then there's no way for us to defy what he knows will happen.
@@rdhaley96 I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days. He simply refuses to understand what I'm saying. My exact question was "If God knows who is going to hell,why not prevent them from being born so they will not suffer?" He simply kept ramping on about how we make the choices and God is not responsible. Religious people sometimes severely anger me.
@@hussainiqbal9623 God could also kill them as a baby so they go to heaven. Please ask him this.
@@SerendipitousProvidence Exactly. Why do some babies get a free ticket to heaven while some have to take the chance of being in hell? It doesn't make sense.
@@rdhaley96 People think they have free will but this is an illusion. As Luther wrote after demolishing Erasmus' book "The Freedom of the Will", the will of man is in bondage and can by default only choose to sin. We need God's Holy Spirit by a divine act of Grace to work through us and give us the gift of saving faith.
that is the point we must believe in God without any proof
Is this sarcasm ?
You cant belive in God with proof.
@@arjanmarku6587
Why?
@@abs4008 because there will be no belive but knowing.
@@ChrisJia202 yup blessed are those who believe but never saw
Way to not answer the question
Why teach that God will become unforgivable but teach you to forgive? Why will God make someone knowing they gonna fail?
Why doesn’t God just stop Satan now to keep from misleading so many lives to failure?
You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all?
The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it.
_Romans 9:_
_22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?_
_23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory?_
_24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?_
But look at the previous verses: Romans 9:
_17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”_
_18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills._
The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_*
If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
The Father is and will restore ALL of His creation through Jesus Christ. God loses none of His creation to the enemy.
Barley BROHERS--Yes! God that I worship loves ALL that He created & has SAVED ALL through Jesus His SON. The God of these HELL fire preachers is a false God made by the demented minds who despise sinners. Jesus & the Father God of us ALL loves us & tells us to love our enemies. A God of wrath & vengeance that punishes those that He created & knew before He created them that they would disobey them is not the God of Jesus or of creation. there is no fiery hell that God has made & the original word in the Hebrew as well as the Greek mean the grave where ALL that die go. Dust to dust & ashes to ashes. The soul & spirit go back to God & He will restore ALL things to the original state as the penalty for the disobedience was paid by Jesus. ALL will one day be reunited with God , Jesus , the angels & God will be ALL in ALL. Thanks God for your wonderful universe & beautiful world we live in .
@@earldecker7760 Pure nonsense.
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Why god can't speak for him self instead of me having to take somebody's else's word for it?
Honestly, that's my question too. Only God has the actual true answers. I wish God would just be forward and tell us. The Bible is so confusing in it's wording and no human no matter how much studying they do can answer the big questions. To me it's just a bunch of guys taking guesses to fill in the blanks. I don't know what's true anymore.
@@maggieo1683 Yes-Yes... Indeed.
@@maggieo1683 Pretty positive God worded it in a way that would only be understood by true believers/Christians. Meaning, it can only be translated by God's Holy Spirit.
Im a muslim but we belive in the same god so i think my answer would answer your question, bc god is testing us, if he straight up showed himself there wouldnt be any test, our choice makes us more powerfull than angels
@@3lif148 hey but that's just like I'm in court accused of a crime I said I did did not do, don't rely on witness, show the video type. That's my analogy.
Explaining another mystery( or special pleading) with prior mysterys.
As a person who has faith in Christ, this is probably the Number one argument against Christianity.
He does what he wants or likes and all praise is due to him
2v K he wants all to be saved.
😂😂😂
@@Nerosii Very interesting statement with LOADS of stuff hanging off it. Have a look at these pages -
www.desiringgod.org/articles/does-god-really-desire-all-to-be-saved
www.gty.org/library/bibleqnas-library/QA0276/if-god-desires-all-men-to-be-saved-why-arent-they
"He does what he wants"? Are you talking about a rascal-whimsical kid?
Except creating billions of people who will suffer eternally is not praiseworthy.
You should of just said I dont know. It's ok to just say you dont know something and that's the problem now there are tomany people winging it when it comes to such a level of unknown wisdom and law that is beyond us just say I dont know sometimes
CS Lewis dealt with this better. People go to hell because they choose to by denying God / electing to eschew the free gift of salvation. It's their choice. Because God exists outside and AROUND time, He can see the beginning of time and the end. He doesn't pressure anyone into salvation. If they so happen to ignore God, He just happens to know that before they do. But it's still their choice.
God gave us all free will. Taught us right from wrong and the free will to chose the path we want to take. Just like we know we will burn in a fire and chose not to walk right into it. So likewise we need to watch and pray so that we can walk in the right path and have everlasting life
God's plan for all of his creations, fallen or not, is in the verse he just quoted. It's called universal reconciliation.
?? He did not answer the question! The video lasts for almost 13 minutes, yet he couldnt answer the question. The question was not why people end up in hell, but why God created people who will end up in Hell. He had no answer simply because this question cannot be answered by calvinists without revealing that their god is not the just and good God of The Bible.
Gabrielle Riah God regretted that fundamentally nullifies predestination
Gabrielle Riah, Mount Zion
Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? *he retaineth not* his anger for ever, *because he delighteth in mercy*
Micah 7:18
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, *who is* the _Saviour of all men_ , specially of those that believe.
1 Tim 4:10
There is no eternal hellfire.. This is doctrine of men added into the text through theological translations
Human are creations , not creators !
Creations cant make the laws or determine what will be good or evil
The creator makes the laws and determines good and evil
Do you know the answer to it? No, do I know the answer? No, and thats why both of us are here, to try and understand this mystery. Humans don't know everything, and we need to understand that we are not even a quarter of a grain in the universe to try and understand God's mind.
@@chrissonofpear1384 what do you mean ?
Humans can't answer all of Godly questions ment for him only he knows why and why would he create a people he knew was going to hell idk
Can't we just realize that God sees our heart,mind,and inner desire?that would be the whole answer for that question
@@truthseeker1555 NO!!!
They know dang well we humans cant answer that we ain't God 😂😂
My Pygmy mind sometimes feels great sadness for God. How lonely it must’ve been and boring. He did not want that same burden for all of us. Our suffering our struggles and then prevailing with his guidance and mentorship while growing and orienting ourselves to him is what makes existence fun and meaningful for both parties. He did not want to surround himself in perpetuity with automatons but with free willed beings that chose him and wanted him. This is done through our current existence a test that requires bad actors to make it interesting but also provide the trials and tribulations for those chosen few. That is my best attempt at answering that question friends.
Trillions burning for eternity seems like a very steep price to pay just to "escape boredom and make the test interesting."
I'm not trying to be flip. I'm not accusing God of wrongdoing. It just doesn't make sense that a good existence for so few justifies the condemnation of so many when all of it could have been averted.
Hogwash. When things don't make sense, it's always "It's a mystery " followed by a very looooong explanation. If something is true, it doesn't need a zillion words to explain. What kind of father would have a bunch of kids, knowing beforehand that he would be sending them to a place like hell and have to listen to their screams eternally? Why even have kids? Insanity.
I have been arguing about this with a very hard headed Christian for a few days now. All he is doing is keep saying that people make their own choices and that God simply knows because he is omniscient. I specifically asked why God doesn't prevent the person's birth to prevent that suffering,ye he simply responded that because the person will be making the choice. It is flabbergasting how they do this.
Too bad that faith and religion do not always go hand by hand.
@@hussainiqbal9623 Ask why humans have to make those choices impaired, from birth, and among a minefield of disguised gods, spirits, and other factions - but angels never had to, too. Even the 'disloyal' ones.
Could be a interesting reaction.
I control of what?? We have free will....he knew we would sin then damns us!!!
You know God can forgive you of your sins if you repent and just ask for his forgiveness, right?
@@godstuffs7385 You know that is utterly impertinent to what he referred? God creates people knowing they would go to hell, not existing is infinitely better than going to hell, heck even risking hell is infinitely undesirable for many people
@@SerendipitousProvidenceIn other words you're calling a PERFECT GOD who DIED a HORRIBLE DEATH for every person, as being Evil ??
You're evil for saying that.
He wants NONE to perish.
He creates.
You just want to be STUBBORN and CHOOSE WRONG !
Y'all getting mad at God like that's gonna stop y'all from getting consequences for rejecting him
Sorry but Still didn't get the answer...
GOD GAVE US FREE WILL
2 Peter 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
You did not answer the question 🤣
I'm a Christian & always asked about it too. Most can't answer this question but one guy told me it's not my place( as the created), I have no right to question God about it. So although they're many things that I see as horrible for a loving God to allow I've got to keep telling myself that GOD IS ALWAYS RIGHT. He defines what is right and wrong, what is good or evil
I bet that leaves a terribly unsatisfying hole in your heart - to be fobbed off like that.
God says to the Israelites - "Come let us reason together..." Does that sound like someone who cannot be questioned?
Look at the Psalmists - daring to ask God "where were you when xyz happened...or is happening?" God is bigger than our small-mindedness. Ask genuine questions - just don't ask the questions that Satan asked to cast DOUBT on God when he tempted Eve in the garden of Eden!
What if God does not exist? Will you ever find that out?
God is always right? When is it ever right for a person to own another person as property and beat them as long as they don’t die. This is totally immoral and yet this is what Yahweh instructs in exodus 21.
It’s ok to use your brain and think for yourself and not be blinded by religious dogma.
We can ask God ?'s in humility. The person that said that to you. He can go slow dance 💃 with a porcupine
We do have the right to read and study our bible and question those who twist its words to their own destruction.
How do I know if I thought this whole time that I believe in God but I end up in hell?
Interesting question! Ask your pastor and let me know what they say!
Ultimately it’s about a relationship, not just believing in. We can believe in a lot of things, but how has your belief in God, in Jesus, in walking with the Holy Spirit changed who you are? Are you dying to your desires daily? Do you pray and seek the direction of the Holy Spirit? Are you a known sinner who repents and KNOWS you need a savior? Has Jesus become your savior? The Bible is clear that even the demons believed in Jesus. The demons knew Jesus’ voice… but until we have a fully surrendered heart, we aren’t truly saved from anything. I hope this makes sense? Helps a little? I don’t believe anyone who just believes in God, will go to Heaven. How do we live? Are we living for ourselves or for God? The Bible is so clear on this and gives us a beautiful guide on how to live ❤️ I really hopes this helps…
“Believing in God” does not get anyone into heaven. Satan believes in God and he ain’t goin there! Faith in what Jesus did on the cross for us gets us to heaven!
@@meganfrump8178 Satan believes in God and he ain’t goin’ to heaven!
Been 10 years since this video was posted, yet after all this time, there's not a single reasonable answer in the comments.
Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan12:13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
rev20:5 And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.
couple questions ? who is asleep in the dust of the earth awakening to everlasting contempt , shouldn't they be in eternal conscious torture land !!
is Danial planning on going to heaven or being resurrected into the kingdom?
who reigned with christ for the 1000 years, what dead are resurrected after the 1000 years, ? in rev20:5
Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Titus2:11
For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people.
colossians1:20
and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross.
2 Corinthians 5 :19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
1tim4:10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
if you need help in understanding what all means ..let me know..!
Sure there is. It's all through the bible. It's when we create a perverted view of God (Calvinism), that we struggle to put the pieces to together. For God to be loving and just, he has to allow all men the opportunity of coming to Him. The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." Rev 22
@@capturehishonor9292 no when we dont rightly divide the word of truth, then we think Israels program is for us , which it is not !! we are in in the mystery dispensation of Grace! I don't even know what your saying ! sure there is what? hebrews , and James and rev is all to and for the nation of Israel only!! we the church will be snatched away before any of the jew stuff in rev takes place
Regardless of what athiesys think they still choose to reject Jesus it's all on y'all not God😂
Here's the real question, if someone sins but hates it and let's say it's uncontrollable and they try try and try but still continue to sin. Basically person is living in their own hell on Earth. Why would God send someone that's already in hell to a hell worse than their own hell on Earth. That doesn't sound right to be honest, or loving. You would think God would make them clean if they hate sin. I don't know though any thoughts?
Universal reconciliation is the answer.
@@leonlsan5093 it does not seem to be a Biblical response...
@@leonlsan5093 not biblical though
He tries to u gotta repent it's not hard to stop winning it's all a choice u just too weak and give in too easily😂
Once He creates a living soul, whether they will become believers or not God still has them live, He wouldn't destroy the soul He has given life.
This question completely destroys Christianity, Islam, or any other religion that has a hell.
Why do you say that? Do you not want justice to be done when someone rapes three small girls and then murders them? Do you not want a judge who is good enough to send such a person to jail or the gallows?
God is so good that He will take care of anyone that tells a lie, steals what is not theirs, blasphemes His name, disobeys and dishonors their parents, fornicates, commits adultery, murders and even covets - and let's not forget the all too common one - making a god to suit oneself, ie. idolatry.
@@kevinrtresthen if he did not exist she will not experienced those kind of things, so if there's no people who did not exist to do that then there will no be suffering that each of us will experienced individually.
Actually doesn't God gave y'all free will he still created us cus he loves us but y'all choose to reject him so it's all on y'all he didn't create robots he wanted real human beings 😂but y'all refuse to follow him so y'all get consequences for that
we are not to say that we know who is going there I don't know and don't want to I will be happy when this life is over and no more pain
When - any creator - give his creation: "The right
to choose", he has taken away his ability - "To
know for sure".
That should not be too difficult to understand.
Aage152 this is the best answer I’ve come across. If God, our creator, who is all powerful gave us the right to CHOOSE our destiny, he may have taken away HIS OWN ABILITY to know our outcome. If HE is all powerful and all knowing he is fully capable of taking away HIS OWN ABILITY TO KNOW FOR SURE.
This is arguable but this is a great answer. Thank you.
Tyler Billow: Thankyou for:
. The positive response TO my comment - and
. an excellent elaboration OF my comment.
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Thanks to your elaboration - you have taken
away every possibility .. for a misunderstanding.
It is seldom I experience this.
You must be an intelligent man.
To choose WHAT?
And why did TWO HUMANS have the right to choose ANY parametres for people YET to be BORN?
Can you please tell me - what - in my comment, that
could lead you .. to this conclusion?
I don't belive, what I read - here.
@Loriane: You are right, Loriane.
That is the main rule AND as we know,
that every rule has an exception.
When God gave us, the right to choose,
He MADE that exception - because:
If God can say .. for sure - what we
will do - then we don't have the right
to choose.
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IF we don't have that right .. what is
there to judge us for .. on the doomsday?
Then - God will be responsible for every
thing we do .. because we will not be
responsible for our actions.
HOW can we LEARN, under circumstances
like that?
So God's default position, created the moment Adam sinned (which God somehow couldn't foretell), is that everyone goes to Hell and suffers for eternity. That was NOT his default position before Adam bit the apple? Now, because of the actions of one man, a very, very slim minority will escape this torment by accepting Christ as the true and only son of the Creator and in doing so all sins are pardoned. God already knows who will be saved and who will end up in eternal torment? I LOVE the Creator, but HOW can this be true of the the Heavenly Father? He knows how many hairs are on your head. He knew you before you were born, He knew the day you would be born, and He knows the day you will die. I LOVE Jesus, I love the Creator, I love the Holy Spirit. I welcome them all into my life, I accept that Jesus died to cover my many failings, but I do not welcome any Christian teacher who claims my Lord is capable of perpetrating such evil. Burning and perpetually torturing ignorant humans (intentionally designed imperfect by Himself), his very own children, is evil. I'm sorry; this is not acceptable on any level. To talk circles around this, twist words, and contort language to excuse this is outrageous. I pray to God He forgives me for holding fast to my belief that His love is more powerful than man's ignorant, corrupt interpretation of his holy word. I pray he forgives all Christians for believing this about Him.
Agreed.
I feel the same way.
I’m not very experienced with the Bible but from what I’ve learned so far is that god gave us free will and Jesus Christ
Maybe god doesn’t create us. Because of free will, we make each other and god introduces himself with the gospel and it’s up to us to believe it?
Very interesting question but that’s my view on it
Love the lord God with you heart soul and mind and live your neighbor as yourself... What else does anyone need???
I don't get why God doesn't show more people his love. Most people in my opinion aren't deliberately trying to not choose God or be super selfish. Most people in my opinion simply aren't given a fair chance to know God because the devil messes with them so much. And they're supposed to go to hell for that? God created hell and the devil. I get murderers and rapists and abusers etc., but it doesn't seem fair for so many people to be destined to suffer for eternity for something completely out of their control.
@@maggieo1683 People willingly choose to perish, It wasn't out of their control.
@@godstuffs7385 yes it was out of their control because God is the only one that is in control read proverbs 20:24
God is in control when you allow Him to be.
@@maggieo1683 He gave his Son, what more do want.
God never created people to be evil. God created people to be independent and have independent thoughts. Through their independency they chose to do evil instead of good. In the Apocrypha God talks about separating himself the light in the darkness and placing the light as the greater thing in the darkness as the lesser thing. and he placed the light at the top, and the darkness at the bottom of the Earth.he chose for the good to rule and for the evil to be under its foot. Humans have the same choice but some choose to have the darkness rule and the light under the foot.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
bad translation....in this way, God loved....etc....
Not suppose to question the lord thy God ! He is the creator of heaven and earth he holds all the answers because of he is who he is in Jesus name amen
Nevertheless, concerns have arisen...
if you are sitting under condemnation based breaching disguised as grace, get up and leave, and know that your eternal security is essential doctrine, God himself says so
Being as Evil as I Have Been
I Wish I Was Never the Way I Was, But I Do Understand That I Made Choices, And I Take Accountability
I Just Pray Jesus Will Give Me Grace and Mercy to Choose the Right Path Now that I Fully Understand How Bad Sin Can Take You, And I Really Wish I Would have Not Chosen This Route, Praying Hoping He is Willing to Redeem My Life.
There isn’t anyone Jesus can’t save! Turn your heart fully toward him. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide and direct your path. Turn from yourself and your ways to God and his ways. Jesus lays it all out for us in the Gospels. It’s not too late until it’s too late. Meaning as long as you have breath to breathe, YOU CAN CHOOSE JESUS! Surrender today! Get into a Bible teaching truth church. Not a fluff preaching feel good church. Jesus preached truth, not feel good theology. ❤️ He loves you! He sees you and he sees your heart!!! Come to him!!
@@meganfrump8178 Please Keep Me in Prayer
I Am Turning to Christ With All I Know How, And Trusting Him That His Sacrifice Was and is Sufficient for Even My Worst Sin...This is My Only Hope, In Christ and What He Did For Us... Taking it Day By Day and Growing in Faith...I Am Grateful Just for Breath to Breathe My Actions Said
I Don't Deserve it
His Actions Said I Do, And I Believe.
@@SD_Chosen Heavenly Father, I come to right now in the presence of the Holy Spirit and I life of Shype to you! God you know ever last detail of his life. You formed him and created him. You love him more than he’ll ever fully understand and you desire for him to be with you in heaven! God, I pray right now that you would give Shype a peace and comfort that only you can give. God help him to see YOUR TRUTH, and that there isn’t any way he can earn a way into heaven, nothing we do here on earth is ever “good enough” father, take him in your arms. Let him feel your love and comfort. God show him the scriptures and what your word says! All are sinners, all deserve death, BUT JESUS! Jesus took our place, he took mine and Shype’s so that we, one day, will be in your presence. As he picks up his cross DAILY, as the Bible says we should, I pray he feels YOUR STRENGTH encompass him! That through you he knows he’ll be ok. And that his heart continues to seek you and your truth!!! Thank you Lord for his humbleness, thank you God that he ONOWS he needs a savior! And THANK YOU GOD for giving us that savior in Jesus!!! Thank you Jesus for going to the cross for our sins and for your blood to cover us 100%! God I pray right now that Shype is in your word, that he is studying what Jesus said, that he knows the good news. I pray that when he comes to something he doesn’t quite understand that he will bring it to you and rest in your sovereignty, in that you are all knowing, all powerful! And that you alone are good and want good things for Shype! God we know that through the Bible that you don’t want us to turn from sun because it is so good for us, no, sun HURTS US, and you hate to see us hurt! That’s why you desire for us to seek first the Kingdom of the Lord!! God we love you, we praise you, we thank you and we trust in you! You see our hearts you know us inside out. Show Shype today where he needs less of himself and more of you Lord! We love you Jesus, and we know that without your sacrifice salvation and life eternal with you and the father would be impossible. I pray for my brother Shype, I thank you for his boldness in asking and seeking prayer and you oh lord!! God help us all, who seek you to truly find you! Help us not to miss you, we love and it’s in Jesus’ name we pray! Amen.. ❤️
@@meganfrump8178 Amen
We Stand in Agreement
@@SD_Chosen amen trust Jesus like a life raft or parachute
Religeon is a means of control.
Tell that to the governments controlling us right now.
@@godstuffs7385 honestly...now the government is a religion?
Give Jesus your life. Let Him live with you and guard you. You will make mistakes along the way, but repent and ask for forgiveness and mercy once you realise it
He is the way, truth and the light. Accept Him as your saviour, be born again and live the rest to God. He is a Loving God.
No baby is born evil, we are all pure and innocent when we are born. God only has a beautiful picture for us, we make the wrong choices and fall off the beautiful path he has for us. He tries putting us back on that path, but we must let him help us. If we refuse to change and listen to that inner voice which is God speaking to our soul he cannot do more. I think that no human is born evil. We are all born to his image and Alikeness. We are all intelligent beings God is intelligence, if we decide to use it for evil, he cannot do more than try putting us back on our paths.
Free will. The Bible makes it very clear why people will go to hell. Even before humans were born, Satan did Not want to submit to God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit, but wanted to be a god himself; which takes in many forms, so God cast Satan out of heaven and he was destined for hell forever. So anyone who Does want to fully Surrender to God and believe in Christ who had to die for their sins as a perfect sinless sacrifice will be welcomed into heaven forever. Anyone that makes the "CHOICE" Not to submit to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are themselves "CHOOSING" to follow after Satan, the Anti-Christs, and the False Teachers in all kinds of churches/religeons will all go to hell with Satan.
Thanks Jillian for taking time to type this Up, thank you!
But didn’t god make Satan turn evil? Satan was once a loving angel. Then god thought it was a good idea to turn him evil. The question is why?!
Hell was never meant for people. It was meant for the devil and th 1/3rd of angels in heaven who rebelled.
So why are people told they'll be shovelled into a Pit along side them? And about Marks on the forehead, delusion, deception?
Mark 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:)
44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into (hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:)
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be (cast into hell fire:)
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
The selfish sinners can't love their neighbors as much as they love themselves.
That is why they are afraid of a real hell.
God allows people the free will to disobey his laws. Without disobedience, you would not know what the defination of obedience is.
Jesus came to save the world, God will be all in all. Lake of fire destroys carnality, so they will believe. Everyone will be saved
the host is like (--o_o) uninterested.
Some of us have a need for God and most people don't seem to. It's sad for us that do most people that do have had a very hard life and no it's not fair so what's the sense in it?
When we have nothing to compare our own salvation too, i find myself in constant fear im doing something wrong... my walk in Jesus is new. I talk to him like he is my true family which is how I feel. But then, i find teachers who in video claim they can teach us how to pray. Is their a right and wrong way to pray? Often prayer uses words that feel awkward to me and sound awkward coming from me. Further, i just learn of the Sabbath being the fourth of the 10 commandment but what if i fall short in observing it properly? Sunday has been so ingrained in our programming and not just for worship but as the day before dreaded Monday or the day after Friday which we are eager to do things we couldnt get do during the week. Or go somewhere, where undoubtedly, a worker is present to take admission to get in or take payment for gas to get there. I understand the why of the 7th day of rest, and understand the evil behind man changing it to Sunday but... as a commandment, i forsee many people falling short of keeping it and therefore falling short with Gods commands of us. Its confusing, yet critical and maybe the kingdom has only so many spots that all sins, even unintentional must be considered by God for entry. Then there is the book of life. Is it possible to feel certain your name is in it, only to find out otherwise? Or discover a sin you commit but dont think its critical in Gods eyes, like telling someone they look nice when they reveal a new haircut that is not so nice in your eyes and therefore, not so nice in God eyes. I need assurance to feel complete in my faith and walk with my Lord. Faith. Thats another one. One day I have it, another day I dont. Salvation come by faith. Am i doomed?
You took the words right out of my mouth. It’s all so confusing! I really wish I’d never been born.
Ultimately, we don’t know and we need to trust that God is sovereign and wise with His decision-making.
This is the most honest answer anyone can give on the "WHY's" of God that aren't answered in the Bible. I find it laughable when Christians want to convert non-believers to Christ and when asked the hard questions, pastors either dance around the answer or say because "He's God, He can do whatever He wants, and we don't question God." Yeah, that's reassuring. SMH. It's a journey to get to the point of having full faith in the Lord (for those who believe there's a higher power out there)...it doesn't happen overnight. So when the hard questions are asked, just say you don't know. Geesh!
@@trishamorris5097 For now we see only a reflec tion as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:12
God is ALWAYS good.
@@trishamorris5097 Well, actually there is an answer - maybe just not in the normal human form we'd like to have.
You are asking a very important question, namely What is the point of it all?
The bible gives you an extremely shocking answer - one that will make you wonder if God is a god of Love - until you sit down and think very, very carefully about it.
Romans 9:
22 What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?
23 What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory?
24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
But look at the previous verses: Romans 9:
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
The key is this - God is sovereign and because mankind sinned, God is not bound by any prior commitment of so-called human "fairness" to save *_ANYONE!_*
If you haven't already done so, think very, very carefully about this.
"I felt quite sure the creature I was looking at was what we called good. But I wasn't sure whether I *liked* goodness so much as I'd once supposed. This is a very terrible experience. As long as the thing you're afraid of is evil, you may still hope that the good will come to your rescue. But suppose you struggle through to the good, and find it to be just as dreadful. How, if food turns out to be the very thing you can't eat, or home the very place you can't live, or your very Comforter the One Who makes you uncomfortable. Then, indeed, there is no rescue possible. The last card has been played."
Not my own quote.
The answer is simple..
There is no eternal torment in hell.
How can you say God, who wishes all the be saved and none to perish..would ever not get his way.
Oh because hell is a Refiners Oven.. And God is going to refine everyone through it
I don't think we understand at even the most insignificant level, what God understands...
What God?
@@terrycrosslin7866 Apparently, you've proven my point already... 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
@@BenjaminGessel Ok so what God?
@@terrycrosslin7866 God. Elohim. The Almighty. Who else would I be talking about? Odin? Zeus? 🤷♂️
@@BenjaminGessel What about Allah or Brahman
How do I accept people going to hell?
I believe that God does so many things in the background in order to prevent hell. I cannot imagine life without a hell. I have a problem with an everlasting hell, though. But if rapists and murderess were released after one billion years would they love God? The answer is NO. I wish the torments were a lot less.
Rapsists and murderers can be forgiven at Earth. God forgives all. But if you reject God ( Jesus) you alone go to a place without his presence which is all bad stuff ( hell).
@@madsea6719 How can there be a place without God's presence if God is omnipresent.
@@christophersnedeker2065 it's not really a place without God's presence. It's a place without God's goodness.
@@lil18thletterking77 does God have anything else?
@@christophersnedeker2065 what do you mean?
God never violates our free will, even though He knows which way we will go.
People do not go to hellfire because of sin (God has concluded that all are sold under sin), but because of rejecting the salvation that God has provided through His Son.
"He who believes on the Son has everlasting life: but he who does not believe on the Son will not see life; but the wrath of God abides upon Him." John 3:36
Amen
@YM 7
Job said very similar things during some of the worst calamities that could befall a very blessed man, but go and see what he said in his final analysis.
@YM 7
Find yourself a Holy Spirit-filled church asap, and have someone who's anointed of God cast that spirit of suicide off you in Jesus' name..
@YM 7 read >> www.google.com/url?q=bacamesun.firebaseapp.com/aa438/beyond-the-darkness-by-angie-fenimore-0553099663.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjUvuaj9tXrAhVENOwKHS9XAw8QFjABegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0R-fhcVpmSfz0xsTkbZrRo
@weeb Hi weeb, I pray Jesus meets you at a place of your struggles. He is good and understanding. He is very gentle. You will love home.
The best answer to this question is.
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Isaiah 55:8-9
"FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS, SAITH THE LORD GOD.
FOR AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, & MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS." Amen.
It wouldn’t be fair to let non believers at least exist while at the same time giving them the potential to be inspired by his divine presence. Its free will so everyone in the end has a chance.
You live you die.. You live again. It's a game next level please.
People go to hell because they prefer their sin to God. They love darkness instead of light, because their deeds are evil (John 3:19). Jesus said that "this is the condemnation".
Still, how is it justifiable to throw a living being into eternal punishment for the mistakes it made in such a tiny lifespan? This sounds very very hard and unloving to me. I can imagine that a god of love and unending intelligence would find a better soultion to the problem of sin than eternal torture. It's hard to comprehend for me...
Tony Maccaroni satan controls sin, the world is evil that is why it’s so tempting , god is there to give us a way out he wants to save us. If we repent our sins and accept him into our hearts he will save us. He knows we aren’t perfect and he will forgive. Now that’s a loving God. He gave us free will we created the mess we are in . It has nothing to With God he wants to give us a way out.
@@JulissaR the guy in this video preached against free will.
@@timster1995 Free will is mostly cancelled out by fear of etternal torment. Many people serve God out of fear instead if out if love.
@@n-plane And there might not be anything wrong with that. The Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom. Saved people will have eternity to explore how high and wide and deep the love of God is. Here on Earth, it may actually just be easier to relate to God through fear (reverence), as opposed to love.
I get how God must punish crimes. I get that the soul is fixed in its direction after death. I dont get how an allknowing, all poweful and loving god can let people who end up in hell be born. Surely mercy would be to only let people capable of redemtion be born?
Man I just dont understand it. Its sad 😥
So sad 😔
Questions comes when people don't get involve in it, eg. If u wanna know how shoes where made in nike company u should join the Nike company. Like wise if wanna know something about any religion, get involve in it, read the books, follow their routine, eventually you'll understand all your questions but u won't be able to able to express it out because to understand such answer one should go through what you've gone. Sorry for my bad English
He didn't answer the question 🤣🤣😂😂😂
Yes he did it for Gods own Glory
@@peterloewen7732 which is ?
peter loewen gods own glory to send people to hell!?! Wtf
@@Godisreal123 😂😂
@@Godisreal123 It is written in the bible that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Don't think that God has any pleasure when people go to hell.
JESUS IS LOVE!!!
He is a LOT more strict and less compassionate than I thought He was. He expects a lot out of us. Terrifying. It's the most traumatizing thing I have ever experienced in my life- and I've experienced a ton of trauma.
Knock knock..
Who's there?
It's jesus, let me in...
Why?
So I can save you
From what?
From what I'm gonna do to you if you don't let me in!!!!
in the end God is the ultimate judge. He can do so as he pleases.
Why would God create only the people who He knows that would choose Him? Because that would make Him selfish. So to answer the question. It’s easy. God loves mankind enough to give mankind a choice to love Him back.
That doesn't make him selfish he could've just created people to live normally and still don't end up in hell
@@jamiebutler6140then they would've just been robots God can't control who would accept him or not it's called free will
He could've just said "because He wills it" end of story...OH THE DEPTS OF GOD!!! WHO CAN COMPREHEND HIM!!! He is too good.
Laborer in the field- Yes! And God wills that none perish but ALL come to repentance. And they will for every knee will bow & every tongue will confess that Jesus is LORD to the glory of God.
Thats a bad answer honestly
Yes, that's what came to my mind also. Satan's will is for Christians to possess a prideful arrogance. It is disrespectful to God, to think that we could ever comprehend the reasoning of his will. You would have to think that you were equal to God, to be able to understand. Sound familiar?
Prideful arrogance is an attribute of Satan...not Jesus.
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION
1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life.
GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life .
2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?
However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not,
Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed .
Romans 9:23
Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ?
Lets see
There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link.
bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day
John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved.
Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?
2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.
If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY .
Segregation of the already predestined .
What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell.
example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments
3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
I ask every pastor this if there god really do this he is a cruel individual are he isn’t as powerful as they make him to be why creat me if u know m going to hell thats just torture
A LOT OF EXTRAPOLATION
1) @9:57’ reads REV 20: which says book of life , however personal interpretation is record of predestined to be in the book of life.
GOD knows the end from the beginning, hence names in the book of life .
2) Romans 9:22 says What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?
However note how he reads it says the word “CREATED” vessels of wrath but it is not,
Simple understanding from here wicked will end up destructed .
Romans 9:23
Predestination to salvation i.e vessels of mercy is certainly a doctrine of St. Paul, but he nowhere is predestination to destruction implied why ?
Lets see
There are 40 verses indicating judgement based on one deeds following is the link.
bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Judgement-Day
John 12:48 -He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
Some verses which show how the common vessels may be salved.
Romans 2:4-Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?
2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance.
If this is not true then it would not be JUDGEMENT DAY BUT SEGGREGATION DAY .
Segregation of the already predestined .
What is the point of JESUS’s death and resurrection if predestined to hell.
example ;1) parable of rich man and lazarus - deeds and commandments
3) Parable of the lost sheep.- repentance of sinner
@@Caleb2omega so what about folks who have never heard of Jesus? Are they meant to be in Hell. Does that mean my distant forefathers who never heard of Christ are doomed to eternal suffering?
It would be imposible for free will of man to exist if God would created only those people that will accept Him, Question answered ...
No, The freewill still exists, But God only creates the people He knows will CHOOSE Him.
I don't think that is true. I mean it takes the free will away from those that weren't created (although that doesn't make sense) but for those that are created that he knows will choose Him, they still have a "choice" but at least they aren't going to perish in hell for eternity because God knew that THEY would choose him in their own time before they died. Their free will would not be taken away.
Not everything is predestined. God gave a human his own will, and it is that human's choice whether to do deeds that will lead to a life in Hell or to not do them.
Why would I care what some kid killer, or jealous, possessive god, who slays people for bringing the wrong INCENSE to a ceremony, thinks, though, @Timid Jawa ? Speaking hypothetically, that is.
I mean, that is just ONE god candidate, too, among many - and by one type of Christianity, or more...
But doesn’t that mean that God doesn’t know everything?
@@Candidd889 Yes, I think God doesn't know what choices humans will make. He knows the variety of options and their consequences, but he can only predict humans behavior.
@@timidjawa6324 bruh God knows everything stop lying 😂😂😂
I used to ask this question myself but then I realized God isn't going to withhold the possibility of some going to Heaven for the sake of those who reject him and go to hell. Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame.
I found the parable of the wheat and the tares to be EXTREMELY helpful when answering this question.
(Matthew 13:27-30)
In summary of this parable Jesus is saying if you take away all the tares (unbelievers/ evil doers ) from the field you might uproot the wheat ( believers/ those who will come to Christ) with them. Both grow together and even those who choose to reject Christ still in some way play a role in those people lives who will come to Christ.
Your wrong if God is all knowing
What makes an unbeliever evil, then, @Bunny Official , and which Christianity or soteriology, or Christology, are they not believing in, either? Which is the 'right' or most 'inerrant' one, too? And why give up half of Christendom, at times, seemingly, to 'wrong' ones, too...
What you're saying is a complete paradox. "Those who go to hell are doing so based on their own accord anyway so God isn't to blame." Perhaps a logical statement but it doesn't change the point, which is that God knows who will reject him and go to hell before they even come into existence. The question is, why bring a person into existence, even if the person has free will, God know what that person will do with their free will and ultimately where they will end up. Eternity is incomprehensible, a loving God (don't get me wrong, I do believe in God and believe he wants the best for all) who will "allow" a person to come into existence well knowing they will suffer endlessly forever and ever after death. Instead of the perfect answer I simply believe our minds will never be able to comprehend the true nature of this question. Like an ant, no matter what, will never comprehend why humans do what we do.
@@jy1240 Precisely. They NEVER seem to get this. And then there's all this sketchy 'natural man' crap, from 1 Corinthians 2:14. Which on the surface CONTRADICTS Romans 1:20's claims, about nature, and also, most humans had no CHOICE in being born/made natural men.
But all angels did. And they certainly didn't all believe the 'logic' in Romans 1:20, or at least, the rebel ones didn't.
But most humans are born not knowing which god is real, or how many, so the 'attitude of rebellion' cannot relate to that.
In short, yes, it is silly, somewhat.
God is to blame because he controls everything proverbs 20:24
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose,
even the wicked for the day of trouble.
He created them to glorifying himself as a righteous judge.
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Well he sees the future why did he have to create them?
He just want to enjoy watching them burning in hell
@@rehema2018 He wants to enjoy glory and worship
so they would interact with those who are to be saved to get them in a position so he can save them. and test them through the unsaved sinful behavior towards them..
The best way to explain the trinity is compare to water. It can be frozen and it is water, it can be heated and turns to steam, but still water, or it can be in liquid state.
he loves us so much that he gave us the freedom to love him or not, he didn’t want to force his love on us and that’s how much GOD really cares and loves for you
yes, cause creating people you know in advance will fail is loving
Gabe…Don’t make me gag. That’s pathetic. If that isn’t the most nonsensical comment I ever heard.
@@JustSaying1957u too old to be an athiest 😂
He answered it very bluntly. You just don’t like the answer. God created people for the specific purpose of spending eternity in torment, to magnify his own glory. What he danced around is the morality of such a god. If you can’t stomach such an act, then you will follow the evidence and become a maltheist, like I did. It’s a terrifying existence.
Rubbish! That is NOT what the bible says.
He did not create people to sin, but he did give a choice and allowed it to play out.
Deborous Patterson jr- God created evil before He created man & foreknew that man would sin. He also provided for the penalty for sin to redeem his creation before the foundation of the earth. (ALL) back to His family. ALL have sinned & come short of the glory of God. In Adam ALL die & Jesus died for ALL to be made alive again. It is ALL in the bible & revealed to believers by the Holy Spirit.
Fall short of what glory?
Numbers 11:19, say?
Deborous Patterson jr. Yes! But God foreknew that man would sin. & provided the means for redemption through Jesus His Son. The "LAMB (JESUS CHRIST) OF GOD WAS SLAIN FROM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD". Thank God for His salvation that is the good news (Gospel). 1 Timothy 4:10 & many others.
Good thing. As Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and Exodus 21 were all pretty rubbish.
Also, why does Romans 1:20 make so little sense?
Nature was not SOLELY controlled by God - so James 3:15 and other verses imply.
So why should it be an infallible guide to sceptics?
@@chrissonofpear1384 it is working in my life and is making it complete. Again it is about choice.
The actual direct answer to the question begins at 10:20. I would suppose that many viewers would not think this answer to be satisfactory as it is, essentially : "Because God wanted to...He is sovereign...no debate...like it or not...oh, and, from God's perspective, He gives the person millions, literally millions, of very easy opportunities, during that person's lifetime, to repent and accept the FREE gift of salvation through Jesus, but the person repeatedly refuses. Hence, from God's perspective, which is the only perspective that matters, God is blameless for that person's ultimate destiny in hell."
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Bruh this guy cant answer a simple question....First off god doesn't have the attribute of love, God IS love. In order for him to show his love (grace and mercy is the kind of love god has for us) he NEEDED to create sinners so he can show his grace and mercy. God wanted us to Love him and love by definition has to be freely given. He doesn't want robots worshipping him. The only way to achieve that is to also give ppl the ability to rebel against him. Also just because god knows your going to hell, it doesn't mean he forced you to sin. He only simply just knows. God is always knocking on the door of your heart with a free invitation for you to be with him in heaven. The question is, will you open the door and accept it? It would be unloving of god to force ppl to be with him in heaven against their free will. Also think about this.... Could he have logically made a universe where everybody would love him? Sure BUT that's not practical or reasonable with free creatures. Maybe he created a universe with the maximum amount of ppl saved and the minimal amount of ppl unsaved. Also I just want to say is that god has the absolute right to make this kind of universe just like we are able to make a lego set and destroy it anytime and in any fashion we want to. So he cant do anything wrong. God doesn't owe us anything. We are the ones who sin against him everyday. God made us in his IMAGE(soul and spirit) and LIKENESS(Our flesh) now its time to give the lord back what rightfully belongs to him.
Hi, I am struggling with this. So basically the answer is God does what he wants?
@@SuperDhollisum yes cus he's the creator
The beat answerrrrr❤❤❤❤❤
Depressing.
There is hope.
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”
-John 3:16-21
All you must do is repent(change your mind about trusting in whatever you're trusting to make you right with a holy God) and believe on the Son.
@@GerreLove For God so loved the world he drowned every man woman and child except for noah and his family That's not love or mercy!!!
Here is an interesting answer from the Bible.
Romans 9: 22-23
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction?
What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.
Well, it's rhetorical, isn't it, @Tom Park ? And didn't Paul refute, it later on?
And so much for free will, if not. Anyway, when have any angels had their very natures, be it as 'natural men', chosen for them, pre birth, too? And I mean chosen whether by Eve, or otherwise.
"I Thank God, that you are not my Teacher. I would be the most confused person in the world and the Truth about God Almighty I still would not know."