Are People Who Aren't Christians Going to Hell? Is that Fair? | Tim Keller at Columbia University
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- Is it fair for people who are not Christians to go to hell? Prof. David Eisenbach (Columbia) asks Dr. Tim Keller his hardest questions against the Christian faith. | Columbia University, 2008 | View full forum at • Reason for God? Belief... . Explore more at www.veritas.org.
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For people that don't think he is answering the question, he is. He is making a similar point that C.S. Lewis is making in Mere Christianity: "We do know that no man can be saved
except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him. ...There are people...who are slowly ceasing to be Christians but who still call themselves by the name: some of them are clergymen. There are other people who are slowly becoming Christians thought they do not yet call themselves so. There are people who do not accept the full Christian doctrine about Christ but who are so strongly attracted by Him that they are His in a much deeper sense than they themselves understand. There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those
parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it. ... Many of the good Pagans long before Christ's birth may have been in this position. And always, of
course, there are a great many people who are just confused in mind and have a lot of inconsistent beliefs all jumbled up together. Consequently, it is not much use trying to make judgments about Christians and non-Christians in the mass." Mere Christianity, p. 64, 208-09.
As it turns out, God is reveals in many faces.
This is a beautiful way of thinking about it and very subtle. Not many subscribe to beautiful or subtle unfortunately. Most people like the hammer simplistic approach.
Then Why preach the Christianity gospel if one can be Christian without it...
@@evansamuk5240 two reasons. 1) as the quote says, “we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him.” I myself believe that all people, either in this life or the next, will recognize Jesus as the only begotten (meaning of the exact same quality) Son of God and therefore enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Many early church fathers also believed that the lake of fire is used to burn all of that is not of God away so that all that remains of god can enter into His kingdom. That being said, we don’t know that for sure. So I don’t want to risk it.
2) I have lived life with Christ and life without. I can tell you that for my experience, a genuine life WITH Christ is far more fulfilling and enriching than anything else because at its core it is a life of self-sacrifice and service. I truly want all to experience that freedom and fulfillment that I have had.
Again, that’s just my opinion.
Sometimes, I don't know what to think anymore. It's like I'm in a crowded room where everyone is yelling at me to believe in something..... I know that's just a metaphor, but that's what it feels like..... I have had experiences that DEFINITELY point to something beyond the grave, but the idea of Hell just sickens me..... I already became "saved", but now..... It's just up to people who believe in "once saved, always saved", and those who don''t..... Not only that, but I've got to contend with other people who would say I'm going to Hell..... Islam, Christianity, and Judaism..... Imagine people from all three trying to witness to one person.... What a mess.......
It’s easy to get caught up in all the mess of people telling you what to believe, I say think what you want to think, if something about God troubles you, then reconsider if the belief causing your troubles is true. In my case it is the belief that Hell is a burning pit of fire where atheists go and are tortured for eternity, and I’ve seen a lot of people try to explain this, but the answer for me is simply that atheists don’t suffer eternally and that saying that they do and just being ok with that is immoral and highly questionable. I have another idea of hell and I personally subscribe to the belief of Christian Universalism. It may not be what my parents believe or what my pastor believes, but it’s good enough for me. I suggest that you discard other’s opinions and see what you personally think. If you don’t agree with my position on Hell then that is perfectly fine by me, I’m not trying to be an evangelist here.
Its stupid how Christians want to be kind and helpful to everyone but are happy with God shoving anyone else into hell.
The gospel is not the news that you can receive Jesus into your life, it is that Jesus has accepted us into his life. You were saved before the foundation of the world. Hallelujah!
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JESUS said...My sheep hear my voice and follow me. SHUT out the other voices and listen to the Lord's voice. There will ALWAYS be voices but Christ's voice is distinct.
Question: Is it fair that most people are going to Hell?
Answer: Everyone is narrow-minded.
@Rodrick Evans I'm not saying that's my answer. I'm saying it's Keller's answer. He jumped around and avoided the question.
1st john 4:8 & (2nd corethians 1:3-5) God is Love he does not torture thats like when your child is bad you whoop them you dont place thier hands over Fire. God is not Cruel hellfire originates with (Satan) (1st john 5:19)
Ecclesiastes 9:5) when we die we
cease to exist.
(Genesis 2:7;. 3:19) All others who (die) return to dust.
(Romans 6:7) No punishment for sin after a person (Dies) you are set free from Sin
(John 11:11-14) Jesus own Words Lazarus has Died he is (Asleep) Jesus compared death to a sleep state.
(Job 14:13-15) Die then Awaken from (Sleep) not Eternal Hell Suffering
(Pslams 146:4) His Spirit(Breathe) goes out back to the ground; in that day his thoughts & thinking do perish
(Genesis 3:4) Eat from the fruit you will (Die) Adam & Eve
God never said Hell or eternal suffering
(Mark 5:39) Jesus Raised a 12 year old girl from the (Dead) and Jesus stated she was sleeping.
(Acts 2:25) Jesus Went to Hell so it means the common grave of mankind because jesus never sinned he was (Perfect).
(Genesis 2:7) your soul is your whole vessel you are a walking breathing Soul. God didn't put a soul into your body like a letter into a Envelope.
(Ezikiel 18:4) The Soul who Sins Will (Die)
The (Soul) is not immortal or survives after Death it Dies
(Revelation 20:13) Death & Hell will be casted into the Lake of Fire .
Hell in (Hebrew, Greek, means Sheol & Hades)
Hell & the Lake of Fire are not the Same Place
So whenever people get confused lake of fire and things like that have (Symbolic meanings). The (Bible) is in Harmony all together it never Contradicts.
@@tiffanywright6653 The bible never contradicts? Oh fuckin' give me a break, it's the biggest contradiction known to man.
Shawn Sweeney God gives Every person Every opportunity they need to make their Own decision.
Many would rather mock Him for eternity.
I have heard it for myself on you tube -- so many.
Jesus was exclusive: "I am the way..the truth and the life..no one comes to the Father except through me!"
Do you “come” through your belief? Or through Christ? My state, my effort, my thoughts and beliefs, are all insufficient.
@@Rsvohi We must be born again, our thoughts are not God’s thoughts, our ways are not His.
He IS not was
He didn't answer the question.
+Darcy Houston You are completely correct.He knew that he could not say that over 60% of the World's population is going to Hell according to the Bible.They, christians just don't want to go there.
+rick padgett He should have just said the bible says Jesus is the only way and we don't know how God will deal with those people. But he made humanity in his image that is why we are all moral beings so if we see some of these things as wrong how much more would a being of greater morally see it. The question is can we trust that such a being can make such decisions justly till the day we'll understand.
+Darcy Houston in the first 30 seconds he does answer YES
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Open up your ears
+rick padgett in the first 30 seconds he does answer YES
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Open up your ears
+WaterspoutsOfTheDeep in the first 30 seconds he does answer YES
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Open up your ears
I've really been struggling with this problem for a long time. For many people, it's not a matter of simply rejecting the invitation Jesus extended everyone; it's a matter of not even KNOWING the invitation was delivered!!
I live in japan...My wife is Japanese...She is a product of her culture and her environment....Jesus and Christianity is simply not something that Japanese society revolves around like in our western cultures. My wife is a beautiful, loving, caring, and very moral person...Her parents are the same. They live by a moral code that exceeds mine and they are good people in my eyes...
Her grandmother died at age 102 years old. She spent her entire life-giving to others, working the fields, growing vegetables, and just being a simple, wonderful human being who never treated anyone with unkindness...The way Christians say, "No one comes to the Father but through Jesus" and then qualify that by saying, you must confess that you believe Jesus is Lord, repent sincerely of your sins, accept him and then live according to his example....If you don't you're going to go to hell...
That makes me feel incredibly sad and I resent that message Because of all the beautiful people all over the world who live in alternative cultures. It makes me struggle to feel that God is just...Surely all the circumstances of where we are born, our religious environment, and our ability to even comprehend the implications of our actions, regardless of religion, MUST play a very important part in our final salvation prospects because life is just so unevenly spread and there are so many factors involved in this life we are all trying to make sense of...If Jesus is the only way to salvation, why doesn't God make sure that every person on earth RECEIVES and understands it at least once in their life so that they have a chance to exercise their free will in relation to it? This ISN'T the case...Little children all over this planet die in complete isolation from this message...it's not right!
It hurts me to hear Christians preaching..." God gave us all this one life to either accept or reject his love and be saved through Jesus Christ! Our choice will affect us for eternity!" and yet when you hear the testimonies of people who have come to Christ the stories are so varied and there are so many uneven factors involved that it seems to make God out to be cruel if their black and white biblical narrative is so literal...For example...say we have a guy in America who has lived his entire life prior to being saved, taking drugs, and being a hedonistic selfish person who hurts others, and then one night he has a personal encounter with Jesus which transformed his life and he is born again...And then you have another guy doing the same things in another place but Jesus DOESN'T come and reveal himself to him...he dies of a drug overdose and that's his eternity decided...Or The man in India who grew up in a remote Hindu village. Lived as good a life as he could according to his understanding of life...died having never known of Jesus' promise and HE goes to hell too...where's the fairness and justice in this?
Although it is great to hear of people being saved, many never get that personal encounter with Jesus even when they're wanting it. Many never get the depth of understanding to ever fully know the actual gravity of their actions and the consequences for them and it seems cruel that some ARE given enlightenment from within a position of sin, while others are not extended the same opportunity to understand and be saved..Like for example, you might have a loving, caring, moral Muslim, who never hurt others and who always tried to treat others with grace and kindness. Born into Islam, they die in an accident or as 'collateral damage' in a drone strike, but according to the uncompromising version of salvation preached by MANY Christians, they miss that window to salvation, while the one with the joystick that killed him gets saved...There are literally hundreds of factors that they seem to refuse to acknowledge because of their literal interpretation of scripture and this makes me incredibly sad for all the wonderful non-Christians I have seen out in the world who are living often to a higher moral standard than many of the Christians preaching this message...The message they're pushing seems to be a hard sell, sales pitch for Jesus that lacks a depth of compassionate understanding for the reality of life for MANY on this planet...
If accepting Christ's offer of salvation is the only way for any of us to be saved from Hell, then why have so many died without even knowing about that offer??? This seems cruel beyond comprehension! How about Moses and Adam and all the old testament saints like Abraham etc who are said to have made it to heaven BEFORE Jesus came to earth? Jesus said "NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME" because living a moral life according to the law alone is said to be not enough to cleanse one enough to be with GOD...How then is this not applicable to all the countless saints who are in heaven without Jesus??
I'm not trying to be provocative or offend GOD...I'm just being honest about what I feel in my heart...
I appreciate the honesty, and have similar thoughts.
It must be that God's perspective is completely above ours, and I'm not using that as a means of saying "your problems with my interpretation of scripture are due to your limited perspective". I think our limited perspective could also cause our interpretations to be wrong. I get so distraught with confusion that I think my only option is to live as Jesus did, giving myself for others, and praying in Gethsemane that God forgive our mistakes when sharing our interpretation of the Bible.
I read articles like this www.desiringgod.org/interviews/why-do-you-believe-that-infants-who-die-go-to-heaven , and to an extent apply it to people who have never heard Jesus' name. It's hard for me to avoid the pride of thinking I have it figured out while also avoiding the pride that says no one else has it figured out. So I submit imperfectly to the wisest most Christlike (but still imperfect) teachers like Piper and the sort. Sometimes even stuff he says seems to fly in the face of logic.
@@B10401 Thank you for taking the time to respond. The humility of your answer is admirable. You're right. In the end our confusion and limited understanding will inevitably lead to a tangle of contradiction and misinterpretation...This is beyond us...Best submit it to the creator and trust that his love and grace have it covered...
@@psydwaindahI’m a new believer in China. My journey began on a random day when a voice talked to me and asked me to take a look at Bible. Then I learned so much and I believed. Also there are a huge number of Muslim dreaming of Jesus nowadays. Hope this information helps your belief. God is fair and almighty, but he does work on order. I personally think from Israeli to gentiles(western) to the third world.
this dude has a PhD in "avoiding the question"
No, you simply have a masters in Impatience.
You are exactly, right! The question was simple.. do people who don't believe in the God of the Bible go to hell? Especially if they never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel. It's an easy question. You either say yes it's fair or don't _and_ if you have a reason to expand, then do so. He totally avoided the question. I don't know Keller's heart but from his answer, it seems like he doesn't truly think God is going to send people who don't believe in the Gospel to be sent to hell.
@@fraserdaniel3999 And if he chooses not to send people to the hell of your imagination, then what?
@@mensetens6391, I don't think God sends anyone to hell. If there's a place like hell, it would be a corrective place from a loving Father to purge our sins and take us to his glory.
@@fraserdaniel3999 I was influenced quite a bit in that direction by CS Lewis's _The Great Divorce._ Then I looked more closely at the wording of the New Testament and found that the idea of an eternal hell of the medieval thought-system for sinners had surprisingly little support. The Bible seems to say otherwise than the fundamentalist belief of a simple static fiery container for the sinful. But then, God surprises everyone in the Bible, why not everyone today, too, including those quite certain of something called 'hell'?
If we're going to hell and GOD knew about it,then why did HE allow us to be born in the first place knowing that an eternal hell is waiting...now that's really unfair..!
True same in islam allah will test you how of a good person you will die and only follow him or else all non muslims going to hell the real god knows and is merciful we will follow what we were told with all my heart i am gonna die a muslim but idk what will happen
And if we find Deuteronomy 21 and Exodus 21 a bit anomalous?
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@@chrissonofpear1384 put 2 Peter 3:10 with acts 1:11 then John 6:40 where does it all fit in? JESUS is coming back to a non existent planet.as in 2 Peter 3:10😞 no wonder the bible baffles me and many others
@@chrissonofpear1384 i know..Hebrew slavery and one found in a field slain then measure that area😞 mad isn't it
Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”. Nuf said
So you are basically saying that every other religion doesn't proclaim itself to be the truth. That is absolutely ridiculous logic by theists and I will never understand how the only evidence you have for your religion is your exclusive book claiming to be the true one, while every single other book does the same. So at best, they are all on the same even playing field when it comes to what is "true"
Why would I believe in a God who would choose to create that particular world, where people have no choice whether or not they’re going to be born, but then when they are born, if they don’t adopt the correct understanding of God he will punish them forever, why believe in that God if I don’t have to? If I don’t have to believe that anyone who doesn’t have a relationship with Jesus, i.e. the majority of people who have ever lived, are going to spend eternity being literally tortured in a fire, experiencing never ending pain and suffering, then why would I believe that?
@@BonurChamp God is just and fair. When judgement day comes, it’s based on what you knew on Earth. Basically God will give you many chances to accept him as your lord and savior but if you don’t then you’re punished.
@LOL POP I think you're confused.
Jesus does not pay our sins by serving in Hell.
Jesus saves us from eternal death to eternal life. Romans 6:23 says, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.” Jesus said, “He who believes in Me will never die” (John 11:26).
@@cadenolmstead1759 There are lot of paths ..if jesus was the only way he could have STOPPED when man created other path.. everypath preaches love and way of life.. its very difficult to choose just one.. Being an Indian I like the freedom given to us..There is no eternal hell and our path teaches us to focus the mind towards spiritual life just like how ur using ur mind to focus on jesus but we do it out of love not being threatened by eternal hell.. Remember god has the power to manifest and not punish for what he has allowed to happen.
Boy, did he dance around that question.. If you really love the lost, you will tell them truth. The ONLY WAY is JESUS CHRIST - period...
Yes, but how and when? God leads us as we need and are willing to go. that will be a bit different for each person. Remember what Jesus said to Peter, 'What is that [Jesus's will for another disciple] to you? You follow me.'
@@mensetens6391 That's the point most do not like to accept. Namely, that God calls people to himself. It sounds too exclusive and it irritates people.
@Lord Cobra There are Coptic Christians in Egypt, Maronite Christians in Lebanon, Armenian and Assyrian Christians in Iran and Turkey, and even Catholics in Saudi Arabia (an estimated 1.5 to 2 million) even though it is illegal to be one. That one is born into a culture means nothing as long as one seeks the True, the Good, and the Beautiful. Do that, and one will find Christ.
_what reason would you have to convert to Islam if a Muslim tells you to read the Quran?_
I have given the Qur'an the same opportunity as I did the Bible, for I read both. It had nothing to do with where I was born, for my family was not religious. My father's only 'religion' was the US Marine Corps. I have had Muslim friends and coworkers, I have discussed the Qur'an with them.
The differences between the Qur'an and the Bible are stark. The Bible is far deeper, stronger, and interesting, much more alive, than is the Qur'an. That the Bible was written over many centuries by about forty different authors in different empires and yet has a single narrative, a single message easy enough for a child to live and deep enough for adults to learn from all their lives and which betters those lives the longer they study and live it, seems to be a consideration most atheists do not think about.
@Lord Cobra _not really the Bible is filled with scientific errors it says the earth is only 6,000 years old_
This is actually beside the point, which is that I would probably have been a Muslim had I been born in a Muslim country. That there are millions of Christians in Muslim countries shows that this blanket speculation is probably wrong. But about your assertions which you do not support:
1. Would you quote the Bible on the age of the earth, please? I think you will find it rather difficult to point to any passage of the Bible that does that. Bishop Ussher did, in the seventeenth century, but my understanding is that his writings are not the Bible.
2. 'Scientific errors' in the Bible arises from the false idea that the Bible says anything 'scientific' as we know 'science' today. It does not nor does it even intend to do so. As a result, this assertion is wrong.
3. _was created in 6 days_
No, and we've said this for a long time. This is from Origen of Alexandria (AD 184-253):
_For who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? And that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? And who is so foolish as to suppose that God, after the manner of a husbandman, planted a paradise in Eden, towards the east, and placed in it a tree of life, visible and palpable, so that one tasting of the fruit by the bodily teeth obtained life? And again, that one was a partaker of good and evil by masticating what was taken from the tree? And if God is said to walk in the paradise in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under a tree, I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally_
He is supported by Augustine of Hippo and by quite a few theologians and Christian thinkers since.
_that plants were created before the sun, that birds were created before land animals and so on_
And still it is there in Genesis. Shouldn't that tell you that we've known how to really read it for two thousand years? Shouldn't that tell you to pay attention to what the Bible really says (instead of reading atheist websites and just repeating what they've told you? How is parroting a secular preacher any different from parroting a religious one?)
@Lord Cobra _the Bible is not gods word it was written by man_ Not exactly:
'The word of the Lord came to me...' (a common prophetic description)
_All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching...and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work_ (2 Timothy 3)
_For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit_ (2 Peter 1)
So why can't it be both? Your assertion sounds like a False Dilemma fallacy.
_the people who wrote the Bible thought the earth was flat_
That does not matter, for the Bible was never intended to be science. I believe that we've had this part of the conversation before.
_we know Adam and Eve mythical people there was no first human_
Back in 2001, Brian Sykes wrote _The Seven Daughters of Eve,_ in which he showed that mitochondrial DNA analysis says that all people in Europe descend from seven women. If seven, then why not one? I think that you simply don't trace your history back quite far enough.
_It also is true that if you add up the whole timeline in the Bible you will basically get a 6,000 year old_
the bible doesn't have a 'timeline,' nor did you show one. It has 'generations,' but these are not literal, merely showing family lineages, which were important (as they were to, say, Socrates, who mentions them several times in the platonic dialogues). It was the family that was important, not the actual people. They were members, not the totality.
_There was also never a global flood either Noah’s flood is anything and it was also plagiarized from older stories_
Of course not. Read what I quoted about early Genesis (of which the Flood is a part). The point of the Flood story is not the Flood. It's not even the ark. The Flood story is Mesopotamian. What Genesis says with it to the Mesopotamians is, 'It's not the way that you think. You think that it was an act of capricious gods' [which was their belief, actually]. 'God took that flood and gave you the rainbow, showing you that it will never happen again. So be at peace and do what is right.' The point of the Flood story is the rainbow. The rest of the Bible follows from that.
The Bible has a single narrative that culminates in Jesus and his proclamation and example of the Love of God. All through the Bible God works in and through his world and his people. Augustine said, 'Without us, God won't.' You are made in 'his image.' This is what that means. The Bible says, 'Get to bringing God's order into the world's disorder.' Or as someone said in secular tones, 'Be the change you wish to see.'
What’s this have to do with hell? He just talked around the question.
"All that my Father has given me will come to me and I will raise them up on the last day"
Bingo. It’s called Sovereign Grace. There will be no children of God in hell.
Yes but they make him look like a tyrant. Did you know 80 percent of church goers do not love God. They only want because of fear of him burning and torturing them forever. Thats not love at all. Its terrorism. I say it like it is.
I wish I could explain the gospel to this man. The Bible has an answer to everyone of this mans questions. Every single question.
Of course it will, that's why it was written to answer any question none believers have, try using something other than the bible to dispute none believers though, instead of using the thing in question to prove the thing in question. Its like asking a serial killer if he committed the crime, you don't need 2 guesses to know what he'll say.
@@chokeonthis2932 when it comes to morality, but as I don’t fully understand your point Christians try and point to things that happened in history and link it to the bible such as Jesus resurrection, there are a lot of critical scholars that agree with key points about the event
Why the Salvation is religiously intolerant? Why Christianism think it is better than the others? Good people which didn't follow directly Jesus' teachings are still going to perish eternally after the Doomsday?
@@davidsmith1139
the resurrection was not an event in history linked to the bible.
it was a claim made in the bible, by paul, unverified by history.
there is no reliable eyewitness testimony to the resurrection. pauls claim of 500 witnesses is entirely without corroboration.
You explain it better than Tim Keller?
No wonder God says the knowledge of man is foolishness to God. God wants us to follow Him in spirit and truth and He tells us He will give us understanding if we simply ask for it.
I was raised Christian. I am not one anymore. I got to know God when I quit religion and just said hello. He answered me. How easy and beautiful is that.
No one comes to the father except through jesus
@@gooser1981 Yeah, if you read the Bible accurately God calls you and you respond. You NEVER call God first and He responds. It is God's sovereignty and God's providence. This was directed at Penny.
good for you
@@gooser1981 Jesus was a con man. There is heaven or hell just a new planet and a new life form.
@@gooser1981 true, but people will reject it...only wait for the rapture brother
God writes on their hearts the ones that are his.... There are millions of people who have a relationship with God and have never stepped foot in a church
The answer is that Jesus died for all mankind. All people have been forgiven.
@@noahwaters2707 only if they repent of their sins and ask to come into their life as Lord and Savior.
@@janetdavidson8798 is that verbatim from scripture?..which one?
@@noahwaters2707 yes from scripture. John:14:6 , Acts 4:12 , Eph 2:8, Rom: 11:6 People trusting their good works or good life for salvation , even partly are not trusting Christ alone. Not trusting Christ 100 percent means they are not saved.
@@janetdavidson8798 "all Israel will be saved".... They obviously do not trust Christ 100%. Right? Us depending on the measure of our "trust" doesn't cut it at all. What we can only depend on is the righteousness of Christ. The taking away of the sin of the world! "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".... per John the Baptist in the Gospel of the apostle John.
The entire answer is a huge fail.
What about people like trump who are wicked but profess a belief but continue to be wicked. ????
Michael Pondo -- oh, so you are God and you decide who goes to hell?
Hillary is much more wicked.
Only God knows if Trump is saved from hell or not.
Apostle Paul was very wicked before he turned to truth. He killed Christians. Did God save him from hell?
Of course -- he repented.
When you die, the Only person you answer for is YOURSELF.
Have YOU Repented?
Did you turn to Jesus?
If you die rejecting Jesus, you Cannot enter heaven.
If you trample under foot the Son of God, you go to hell.
What do you want for All Eternity -- heaven or hell?
He was considering his audience well I think. I see lots of people in these comments suggesting he should have said "yes sinners go to hell duh" but I think he's being more patient and loving, trying to help them see the full picture rather than leaving them with a stark reality. People come here to reason and debate. And as we know, many times God sends men to deliver his word knowing they will fail to convert, but he sends them anyway.
@Please Complete All Fields
when jesus died on the cross , he took the punishment for our sins.
Bible says that everybody has sinned and fallen short of glory..a murderer would end up in hell same as a liar or an adulterer or a thief..
God never lets any sin unpunished..But when a murderer like paul repents and put his faith in christ, his penalty(punishment for sin) is paid by Jesus (as he was crucified for our sins)...
When a murderer rejects christ, he has no saviour.As I said, God would not let sin unpunished. In this case,the murderer will pay the penalty by himself.
@Please Complete All Fields But, without a saviour ,all would end up in hell
U may say that u hv helped a lot of people.But if God judged u by the10 commandments, u would be accountable for even a lie that u've told.
Somebody who has helped others is still a sinner in God's standard.
He did an EXCELLENT job.... of avoiding the question entirely smh
😀😀😀😀I thought I,m the only one who realised he dodged the question.
I'm still not clear why God would WANT Satan to reach Earth, for thbat matter...
Nor how Jews choose, given their upbringing.
Jacob quit being a soy boy and live up to your name
:'(
He did answer the question. He said the whole idea of exclusivity of belief is an unavoidable product of humanity. No person can weigh in the topic without claiming to hold the highest revelation. Just because he didnt answer the question the way you wanted, doesn't mean he didnt answer it.
wow. The camera operator needs to do a course!
Im laughing by what you said but lets keep it spiritual. God bless you
Lol. Yea I just went to the comment section to look for the comment on the camera operator.
@@darrencaruana1350 get over yourself were having fun
I read this comment as it started to move😂😂😂
@@darrencaruana1350 “but let’s keep it spiritual” 😂😂😂
This guy isn't very good he seems scared to offend
He is like that in every video
Or maybe he’s in tune with how sensitive everyone actually is
I wouldn't knock his gracious approach unless you've tried it. Tim has proven to be highly effective.
So why you don't go there and help him to offend?
I recently tried to become a Christian but I stepped back when I heard the pastor preaching about everybody who’s not a Christian burning in hell for eternity. I am a 33-year-old girl.. I watched both my parents die neither of which where Christian. I chose not to become a Christian because I didn’t want to believe that the people I love the most in the world are burning in hell for eternity. I wasn’t raised with the believe and nobody I know has those beliefs. I don’t want to believe everybody I love is going to hell. I wanted to honor Jesus and loved the idea of being a Christian.. I love everything about it but I totally disagree with that. I would never believe that my beautiful mom and dad who where the most kind hearted loving people in the world are down burning in hell burning for eternity. Honestly such a manipulative religion. Makes people who are not Christian feel completely judged for their own personal spiritual path. It’s our own personal relationship with our creator and we should never feel judged for what we choose to believe in.
Tuff pill to swallow but its true
You seem like a good, thoughtful person. Cool!
trotsky88 Thank u.. If I’m going to be a Christian I’m just going believe that God will save everybody that’s worthy of heaven the moment before they die if they haven’t already been saved. Gods so powerful anything is possible.. I know that good people go to a good place. I just feel it in my heart
God can intervene with all of our lives at any moment and it’s a personal relationship so nobody can say what happens to any individual soul
@@joshuaharris243 Might be, but you are a prick. swallow that!
@@Rainbow-love-hope-shine I sincerely hope that you are right. There are Christians who share your view.
How is no one talking about the terrible camera work? Theology is important but the CAMERA WORK!
Trevor Robinson lol
Clearly you’re a tech guy. Lol
Accepting jesus christ as our Lord and savior within our hearts we shall be saved simple as that.
Jesus is not a religion it's a relationship.
AMEN
Thank you , I have been saying that Christianity isn't a religion for a very long time, but couldn't think of a way to express what it is. You nailed for me, thank you.
Rather than accepting, it is God's Grace the moment we have belief/faith/trust in Jesus' Blood Atonement for our sins that Saves us, instantly and permanently.
Then, we are automatically Baptized in the Holy Spirit, who seals Himself into our soul until the moment we receive our Glorified new body upon 'Rapture'.
That moment we believe is usually not deliberate. It is more of an AHA moment. Accepting or believing may seem arbitrary, but it is important to take our human gruntings out of the equation.
Jesus plainly stated that "Those who believe will be saved, but those that believe not are condemned already because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God". THAT statement from our Lord pretty well sums it all up. You either accept Him and do your best to obey his commandments, or you don't. It's really that simple. As to arguing what way is the right way, again I quote Jesus: " I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO man can come to the Father except by ME". That sums it all up, NO exceptions. There is no other way to God except by Christ Jesus. All other religions want you to earn your way to God, no man can ever do that. We are saved by Grace, not deeds. Jesus paid the price for yours and my sins on the cross. Jesus said you have only to believe, and you will be saved by his Grace.
@@billa.2450 So he's a cunt with massive identity issues? Some fuckin' saviour that asshole.
Wow! He is great at taking you on a merry go round!
He should have been a Lawyer!
Where were the scriptures?
Confusion...at it's best!
It's not 'confusion.' It's 'thinking.' Recognize it, for you'll need it one day.
The simple answer is, the hell doctrine is a false teaching that is not even a Bible teaching, rather it is of pagan origin. So, no one is going to hell. Check out these facts: www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2009802&srcid=share
It's a clip. If you object to his answer, take it up with the poster.
Our translators messed up big time here. It is not about going to hell or heaven. It's about becomming Christlike.
They translated:
"zoe" to "eternal life" in stead of "godlife".
"Sozo/soteria" in to "saved" in stead of "made whole/complete".
"Orge" in to "wrath" in stead of "passion".
"Jesus coming on a cloud" actually reads : "perceiving Jesus from a heavenly perspective".
Etc, etc ,etc. These terrible errors make the new testament contradicting itself on nummerous points. Leaving people messed up and causes all thise different denominations.
99.9% of christians do not walk out the godlife that is given by Jesus blood and indwelling Spirit. So churchattendance becomes the only visible aspect of their being a christian. How different can it be:
www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
His answer is “yes I believe you are going to hell”. But with his answer he is also implying that his definition of hell is consequences in the afterlife/eternity and not necessarily what others believe it to be, and that his belief in this happening or God structuring reality to be this way can in no objective way be framed as more or less moral than another thing happening in the afterlife/eternity. He’s basically making the “atheists can’t say Christianity is immoral because they don’t believe in immorality” argument
I have some genuine questions I’d like to those who practice Christianity/ are Christians. Please answer them truthfully because I want to better understand you and your faith!
1.) have you read the Bible completely? 100% completely front to back?
2.) do you believe that if you don’t follow your religion for believe in Jesus Christ that you are going to hell?
3.) What exactly is hell?
4.) Without the concept of hell, would you still believe and follow your faith whole heartedly?
5.) do you believe in reincarnation?
6.) do you believe there is life outside of this planet earth? Other living beings on different planets or a galaxies?
This is not mean to offend anyone, I just am genuinely curious. Thank you!
Most religions will not be interested in them....because it can complicate things...
No reincarnation. The Bible says it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement. The devil will give people dreams that makes them feel they lived a past life. Believe God's word only.
Good day and thanks for the question
The Answer is Yes for #1 New testament finished.
Christ
# 2 Jesus said John 14:6
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
So yes
This really is the great problem for Christianity. I like Tim Keller a lot. But he bobs and weaves all over the place when faced with a pretty straight-forward question: "is it fair...." Etc.
For many of us, the traditional view of the gospel makes the statement, "God is love" meaningless.
He didn't answer the question. He danced around the answer.
You're damn right he did.
Yeah if u ask a Christian any question about science.
I don't understand a word he's saying!! Why can't he just answer the question!!!!!!
I like his answer (and he does answer) more the more I listen to it. His subtextual approach takes a few listens to sink in.
He's saying you can be gay and a christian and that's not true at all
@@joeybyington9305 why? you can be every kind of sinner and a christian.
@@joeybyington9305 Having certain sexual urges/feelings is much different from acting them out pridefully and unrepentantly.
@HIghland So did you throw him and all of his outstanding work out because of that one unbiblical belief?
@HIghland How judgmental of you. Can you provide scripture to support it? I’m open to listening to you.
Faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. You cannot honour the Father without honouring the Son!!!
he changed the subject he didnt answer shit
We have Roman’s 2:12 where it talks about people who never heard the gospel:
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
Such crap
But the father is, shall we say, hard to like? Given Numbers 11 and Deuteronomy 20? Plus, unclear if he wanted Satan to reach Eden?
What a god . A god has a son . Fuck off mate
So a person who steals a sandwich to feed himself goes to hell like the child abuser and if that child abuser repents gets to go to Heaven? Makes no sense what so ever.
I am an ex Christian and now an agnostic atheist. One problem with Christianity is the unclear path to salvation from hell. Most Christians claim salvation is by faith in Christ but that ignores many Bible passages where salvation is by works. Elaborate theories have sprung up to consolidate these but in the end, it’s just an interpretation. There’s no guarantee of salvation from hell.
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.” When you are born again, your heart is changed to do the good works that God wants you to do. The reason why I’m replying to you now. Please reconsider and trust in Christ again. You were made for a reason, to love others, to love your creator and to learn for what’s next in your eternal life. God Bless you.
Yes, but did you read what he said? There is also verses in the Bible that support works. That's what the problem is. Just look them up. There are lots of the.
That's my problem too
So I'm going to be tortured for eternity because I either didn't read a book or a book didn't convince me that it was true? Seems fair.
Yup, that's the problem with Christianity it cant answer basic problems. The Quran says in Chapter 33: we will not punish anyone unless they have been sent a messenger who showed them clear signs. There are 3 hadith(sayings of the prophet Muhammad) who said: the people who did not have access and the message wasnt made clear to will not be punished but God will test them in the afterlife.
Fortunately Islam has an answer for u dilemma
@@AbdulH97 It's not really a dilemma. I don't believe in the supernatural so I have no fear of hell. I'm simply noting that the opinion of this individual based on his interpretation of his holy book seems morally unjustifiable.
@@BingleFlimp Fair enough, all I would say is take an objective look at anything. There has to be something supernatural that created this world. How do we have DNA so perfect that one nucleotide changed in a position could render us immobile. Books at the library with maybe 10k words dont come by chance but have an author behind it and how come our DNA where 1 strand has 3.2 billion base pairs can come randomly without an author?
Anyway something to ponder about.....
@@AbdulH97 DNA isn't perfect, it's just good enough. There are numerous conditions humans suffer as a result of errors in DNA. DNA is extremely complicated however complexity is not indicative of design, in fact, one could argue that a hallmark of good design is simplicity. In addition, recent studies suggest that most of the information within our DNA is "useless junk" that can negatively affect us. We also identify design by contrasting it with what is naturally occurring. We know that books are designed and created because we can demonstrate that the only way books are created that we know of is by human interaction.
It's not the book that matters, it's what the book says. If you want to go to the place where negativity doesn't exist after you die then you should figure out how to remove negativity from your life and the life of others. The guys who run Heaven are strict on the no negativity policy, a policy that doesn't apply on Earth.
Huge respect to the atheist in the video I could listen to these debates all the time they’re fascinating, instead of the online mockery atheists that have no substance
Lee Strobel did an excellent job addressing this in The Case for Faith... Heaven is the complete presence of God and Hell the complete absence. Throughout your time in Earth, you use your God given free will to seek God and build a relationship with Him...or you dont. And when you die, God resoects your choice to be with Him or not. As far as those who haven't heard the Gospel... Romans 1 talks about how God is revealed to all through his creation, and 2 Peter and Rev. 3 :20 talk about how God is willing that all should know him. I believe he seeks those who won love with access to the Bible and persues them with love.
And gets in a plug for his book in amongst the deep pondering of theology.
It is always hell to be around Christians. - George Bernard Shaw.
Basically what he wasn't quite saying: Yes and Yes that's fair if God says it is. That's what the Bible says. If you don't like that, you have to take that issue up with God and read the bible yourself. Don't take issue with Christians to deflect the issue, humbly examine it yourself. Remember, if the Bible is true and God is God, then he CREATED you and me. Either Jesus Christ and the God of the Bible is real, or He's not. The author of life has good reason and judgement to do as he sees most fit and just with his creation.
Might does not make right. Torturing people simply for thinking the wrong thing is immoral, even if you are god. And regardless of whether or not there is a god believing that it is just is itself an issue that we should take up with christians and muslims and any other people that believe in this fascist ideology.
+Patternicity SURPRISE! In fact God tortures people for his glory and that is perfectly morally right because God is God and we are his creatures. On the other hand God rewards and consoles people for their suffering. He has his reasons and we simply can't comprehend God's wisdom and why he does what he does, but he promised in his word that he will explain it to us and we will realise that what he did was necessary in order to save us from ourselves.
Jan Aike Well at least you're honest about being a fascist.
Patternicity In fact your reply doesn't make sense.
Jan Aike You believe that just because an authority figure is powerful they have the moral right to torture people for their beliefs, if that's not extreme enough to be fascism, then what is?
How unique is this analytical mind, that he can use illustrations that can sound, at one point illogical, but also convince others that they are only just beginning to see the whole picture. The world needs more Kellers.
I didn't understand this guy's answer, pls tell me if you did (also I think it's not fair, cause if you ask someone who's an unbeliever he can have good reasons not to believe in the bible)
I like how he shows that religious pluralism is itself a very particular religious view which excludes everyone who doesn't agree with it. A truly inclusive person would not reject those views that disagree with the "all religions are true"philosophy.
I suspect a truly inclusive person cannot exist since it involves including exclusion.
But it doesn't exclude other views. It just disagrees with them. You're chasing your own tail, just like the lost man talking throughout this video.
Hell is the ultimate fairness really. If God is all that is good and right and light in the world then hell would be an absence of all of that. You can see it here in our world in placed where you can just see evil and the first thing people wonder is "where is God in all this".
You spend your life rejecting God and telling him that you don't want or need him. At the end of your life you go to hell (a place with an absence of God's goodness and light). You get your wish, you spent your life wanting nothing to do with Him and as such he has enough respect for your choices that he allows you to spend the rest of eternity without him. If he forced you to go to heaven and spend eternity with Him, would God not be violating your freewill? Wouldn't that be a kind of hell for you even then, being in the presence of a God you spent your life rejecting?
You may have choices, but there are consequences to some choices that you can't avoid.
Free will and fairness huh. How does someone make a decision to reject Jesus without knowing ALL the facts; say i reject Jesus because I think He is going to burn non believers in hell forever but He's not going to do that, then i have not rejected Jesus rather only an illusion or caricature of Him. So unless one knows correctly all there is to Know about Jesus He can not be freely rejected.Do i know why Jesus who created everything created evil (Isaiah 45:7) and allows suffering, which of course He also created, do you, does anyone. Preachers get the "common hell" story from their translation/interpretation of the bible whereas some scholars offer serious exegesis of the bible proving that "hell" is something entirely different to that which is commonly perceived go relatively unnoticed. Check out www tentmaker to see what i mean. For me "hell" must be fairly empty in light of these two scriptures: ANYONE who confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord will be saved Romans 10:9 EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father Philippians 2:10 Yippee now that's good news (GOSPEL) Be kind to yourself and check it out yahoo
Luigi Turiano doing good or been successful or been kind or been loving won't take you to heaven all that useless if you don't believe in Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. NO matter how much good things you do if you believe in Jesus Christ you'll go to hell
Luigi Turiano also what is the point if you believe in God Only and not Jesus
That's an interesting take on it Kiel Hawkins. Very Scientific really and unbiasedly Philosophical. Kind of reminds me of the scene from Devil's Advocate, with Al Pacino, where he talks about God and his own role as the Devil.
Kevin Lomax: "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven", is that it?
John Milton: Why not? I'm here on the ground with my nose in it since the whole thing began. I've nurtured every sensation man's been inspired to have. I cared about what he wanted and I never judged him. Why? Because I never rejected him. In spite of all his imperfections, I'm a fan of man! I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist.
There are a few rebel interpretations like this, that take a completely different approach to the whole "God vs. The Devil" and Satan's actual role in the grand scheme of things. Christians and Muslims and most religious types have one single interpretation of how things went and how they are now. They categorically refuse to look at ANY other option, but the one that fits their bias. If you actually read the Bible or religious texts, with no bias or preconceived notions, you can see a different picture. These fools, can't even read between the lines, or even look at how other cultures, who were never exposed to this nonsense have a completely different view of things.
I certainly cannot disagree with your approach here, because unlike these cognitively dissonant types, you are willing to look at alternate approaches and the reason I liked you comment and said it was more Scientific, was because of the darkness vs. light thing. What is darkness? Absence of light, that's all. It brings about fear and unknowing, cause we can't see anything, but does that mean darkness is inherently evil? No, not at all, it is merely unknown. You can view religion the same way. Fear of the unknown, so we reinforce what we "think" we do know. It doesn't mean it's right, it just means we lack further understanding.
Really man, it is fairness? What is wrong wit you. Even god would be like wtf is wrong with you. Fine if it is you guys who really want to go to then let's go together and see.
It scares me to death thinking my atheist dad is in Hell currently. He died recently. He was an atheist. It's been bothering me so bad. I want him to be happy where he's at. I prayed when he was alive to follow Christ. He never did. But he was still a great person. Is there ANY way he's in heaven? I literally prayed before he died many times to believe in God. I don't think God answered my prayers soon enough and now I'm freaking worried. Someone give me closure. I can't live like this worrying about my dad having eternal suffering.
Sorry to hear that. I don't have a definite answer, but I believe our actions matter more. If we were a loving and kind person, or a horrible cold blooded person.
If your dad made a definite decision being an atheist , he has decided on if all the Christian teachings are true ,” I’m in hell when I die “ and only you ( his son ) will know on your death whether Christianity is true , we all live by FAITH ,,,,, nothing more nothing less , by FAITH I know I’m going to Heaven .By faith you know you are going too , may we continue our beliefs by FAITH in Heaven on that glorious day .
He's not in hell. The bible is just a collection of fictional stories just plagiarising other religions. If there is an afterlife, I think he'd be in heaven. Hell, or at least an eternal hell, probably isn't real. I wouldn't worry too much.
@@funoryx1169 The bible is bs. He's not in hell.
There’s an orthodox Christian teacher I’d like to recommend who I think would give you a great peace of mind over this. His name is Brad Jersak. The orthodox view of hell is one of restoration, rather than punishment. The Orthodox Church is the oldest church in the entire Christian faith and claim to hold to the original teachings and traditions of Christ. I really think watching him would help put your mind at rest about your dad. I’m sorry for your loss by the way.
"Not everyone who says Lord, Lord to me will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who obeys the will of my father".
I want to know the will of God failed many times with loss. Then started learning slowly. I'm happy if you Please help me in that .. God bless you.
@@garlapatibannu2375 The answer to what the father's will is, lies in John 6:40.
"For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
He wants you to believe on his son Jesus Christ so that you will be saved through him and receive God's gift of eternal life.
Jesus is the only way into the kingdom of God.
@@Zonkens god doesn't need someone.
@@weirdmusic2860 God wants man's heart and fellowship with him. God did not create robots.
@@victordickens9564 you can't go to heaven by just believing the death of man you have to work for it,
If you want the truth use your brain and read the Quran, my Allah guide you
Guy gives one of the best explanations of religious strife in the world...."I get it, I disagree, but I get it"🤣🤣🤣
right - like what does he disagree about?
@@drewseaver4531 it's been awhile so I had to watch it again... The interviewer is disagreeing with the guest.. right?... So the guest, using simple logic.. explains why everyone's (all seven and a half billion of them) opinions, however they arrived at them, are exclusive... And once that opinion is voiced... That exclusivity is readily apparent and evident... And the interviewer remarks ,"I don't get it?"...🤣🤣 That's hilarious to me! 🤣🤣...
@@jimhughes1070 yes! He goes “i get it but i disagree!” Like what does he mean he disagrees 😂😂. I have to believe he just didn’t understand him
@@drewseaver4531 that is very kind of you Mr Siever 🥰.. but the interviewer had a slightly adversarial posture during this short clip.. and the gas was making "one" point... And I don't think the conversation got above junior high grade English... And that level of denial, in the face of common Sense and simple facts it's just hilarious to me... Because everybody in the conversation knows you me them... Them 🤣🤣🤣🙏 sorry that last part was The blues Brothers I apologies
@@jimhughes1070 Isn't it just nice when one person can talk in the name of 8 billion people, or even more than that, clearly affirm that all of them do this exact one thing he says in the exact way he thinks they do. How curious human beings are in their ignorant certainties...
The thought of going to hell makes me shiver at death time
You won't. Religion only uses hell to scare and control people. Trust me, I'm a former Christian and it never did anything good for me. I doubt he'll even exists because I couldn't imagine anyone suffering for eternity, but even if it does, just be a good person and be kind to people. You've got this.
Thankfully all of their ideas of hell are taken from Dante or from Buddhism introduced by Mani - it's not even original!
The answer to the first question in regards to those who never heard the Gospel is found in the book of Revelation chapter 20:12-13
I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
You may want to considet also 1 Pet 3 :19-20. Jesus went in hades and preached to those who never had the gospel, and allow me believe too, that God is not limited by time.
Talk of " time travel" and let me know why even those who die after the cross don't "back time travel" to listen to Jesus.
Aftet all, it is ONLY through Jesus that ALL HUMANITY will be saved.
Conclusion: by divine plan every human being will be given opportunity to hear about Jesus and eithet accept or reject Him.
samugote Yea from Adam to Jesus, those spirits in prison heard, but the unborn (those born after Christ) did not have souls yet. When God allows a person to travel back in time, they can only view events that had taken place, they are not actually reliving the past.
if you have nothing to do with god while you are alive, then you cant enter his kingdom after you die. its just simple. The whole purpose of jesus was to take our sins away because we are born in sin.
Philippians 3 : 19 " Their end is their destruction : their god is their belly ; that in which they glory is their shame. Men whose whole minds are earthbound."
Jesus is the only way to the father !! Simple as that!!
Any actual evidence?
Filip laskovski (YAWN)
+Filip laskovski, I agree.
Filip laskovski
You're already have a father, you must be confused
Filip laskovski Fine, if you believe everything written in some ancient book.
I don't think all religions are equal but if one says you must believe in it or you'll go to Hell and another says that you must believe in it or you'll go to Hell then does that mean you go to Hell for choosing wrong? Perhaps, but I hope not. If God is indeed merciful he surely wouldn't send people to Hell for picking the option they hoped would save them from Hell. You will most likely be the religion that your parents are or the main religion of your country and different religions have different ideas. If you were sure that your religion is true but picked another one anyway then that would be wrong but if you're just trying to avoid going to Hell by sticking to the religion you're sure is true, and that religion turned out to not be the true one then surely you wouldn't be punished for that? It's easy to say "People not of my religion go to Hell" but better to say "Please Lord save everyone no matter which religion is true". All things are possible for God.
Religions are definitely WRONG.they are not equal.
Read the Holy Bible
Jesus is the risen Son of the Living God.
Revelations 1:18
I am He that liveth,and was dead and behold I am alive forevermore
Amen and have the keys of Hell and of death.
Revelations 20:10
And the developer that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
John 4:1-26
Satan is of death Jesus is of life.
Choose who you will follow.
Luke 16:23-25
The laws of Moses of Love thy God with all thy strength and do not worship false gods or idols.
Our Heavenly Father wrote the commandments with his own hands and delivered Moses out of Eygpt.
And foisted the Book of Numbers on generations to come. Don't forget to buy slaves?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Hundreds of Bibles been written.The old TESTAMENT is where Christ created a Covenant for mankind and only Christ can make changes to his Covenant.
Hatred towards those you perceive as close-minded is close-minded. Boom! Nailed it. This is the problem with any radical political views. Left or right. If you say the only thing I don't tolerate is intolerance you are close-minded and intolerant. Nailed it on the head
I am woven into the periodic table!
God centered and other centered vs. self centered ... a billion years from now.
Tim just nailed the Truth
Listen to these guys and you'll never have a sound mind the word of God is where we find our answer
Tip toe,tap,dance,squirm. The answer is Jesus.
And the Bible take a thousand pages to get there. Let Tim take an hour.
Amen bro
What about the omissions?
Like whether God INTEND Satan to reach Earth and sabotage it? What Adam and Eve DID have knowledge of, if they did NOT have knowledge of good and evil? Whether they even KNEW at the time if they could have children? And might affect their free will?
If the Nephilim were REAL or not, and why they would be able to exist at all. What impact they had on tribes scattered since Babel, added to fact that thanks to Eve, humans seem UNABLE to see disguised fallen angels, or God HIMSELF. And how much of nature Satan is permitted to control?
Some of these things may well have been touched on, but it seems very delayed before they are actually detailed, far from the original events.
He didn't do that at all. He's trying to answer, on the spot, a difficult question based on false premises. And the questioner says he got it! Go back and listen again.
I think a better question to ask Christians is “Is it fair that only believers in Ahura Mazda go to heaven?” Asking Christians if they believe it is fair that only Christians go to heaven assumes that Christianity is true and that they are going to heaven.
If Christians found out they when they died they were in the Zoroastrian hell would they calmly assert “oh well I guess I spent my life willfully denying a relationship with the one true God who I knew existed, I guess I deserve hell” or would they say, “wait, what? I never heard of Ahura Mazda, Zoroastrianism is an obscure religion why didn’t you make it more obvious?”
H R38 There have been billions of people in the last 2000 years who have never heard of Jesus or the Gospel. There were billions more who heard the names but never had a defense of the Gospel or reason to believe presented to them. There was a time when Christianity was new and barely known by anyone. According to you that doesn’t make Christianity any less true and all those people are still going to hell. So how popular a religion is is completely irrelevant to my question.
But if it is the numbers that bother you chose a more popular religion. You have heard of Allah and Mohammed. If you does and woke up in the Muslim hell would you accept that you had willfully denied a relationship with the one true God if the universe, or that circumstances in your life had led you to follow a false religion?
H R38 Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways. Either Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven, in which case your God has condemned billions of people to an eternity in hell without ever having given them a chance to escape it, which means his neither omniscient nor omnibenevolent; or Jesus is not the only way to heaven in which case the entire pretense your religion and belief is based on goes up on smoke as well as your desire to believe you have a special relationship with the creator of the universe. You have to pick one. Most Christians I have talked to seem just fine with the former view as at least it assures them a place in paradise.
Tim is right, they ALL can't be right. They can all, however, be wrong.
+UrukEngineer
Including him.
As a 57 year old, Lifelong Christian I cringe when I hear people say that Christianity is "Right" and Islam is "Wrong". To make such an arrogant statement implies that it is POSSIBLE that Islam is the one that is Right and Christianity could be Wrong. Anyone who makes claims that they are "Right" are admitting that they could be Wrong. We'd better respect one another and in the end we will all find out the Truth (whether we "believe" it or not won't matter when facing TRUTH, whatever that Truth is...)
I lived in both worlds. no, they are NOT the same. i don't believe in anything. respect?. i challenge you. bring an imam to the US or Europe. let him preach islam. the worst that could happen probably is some jokes or arguments. but nothing so serious. get a priest and go to Pakistan. Iran. Saudi arabia. Egypt. and let him preach or try to convert people to christianity. you will be lucky if both of you guys get out from there alive.look up the story of Mark Gabriel and other countless stories please.
I have never met a Christian that truly forgives. It’s not in their nature.
Eternal torment doesn't come from Judaism rather it comes from paganism. The question is why the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision were combined.
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but Tim how do i stay sane believing ANYONE goes to hell
+glen allen preaching the gospel of the death of the Son of God for sinful people like us before a Holy God creator of all things for our good and His glory
+glen allen Hell Doesn't Exist. It's not eternal, but it's effects are eternal as a passage in Malachi says. Jesus spent 3 days in the belly of the earth, not hell-the Bible didn't say he goes to hell. God's own testimony on himself says that he wouldn't do anything that wasn't just or righteous? Is Eternal Hell Just? When comparing hell to heaven, Jesus didn't use the word 'eternal' for both, but 'everlasting' for hell, and 'eternal' for heaven. Don't they both mean the same? No, otherwise Jesus would of said the same. Jonah wrote, after spending 3 nights in the belly of the whale(See the contrast to Jesus?), wrote about how it felt like an eternity that he was in there. Consider this as well, if the punishment for sin is Eternal, then Christ(who spent 3 days in the belly of the earth-unspecified location), hadn't paid the price to it's fullest, and therefore, we would all be doomed. There are many more scriptures going against hell, and those that go for it can easily be resolved and do not contradict. -Jude said "the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Is the Eternal Fire still burning Sodom and Gomorrah today? Obviously not, so what then is meant? It means that the effects are eternal. I have more scripture if necessary
+glen allen Thank you.
If you cannot believe that you are not the highest authority that exists, then you can never except the terms that God has laid out for your surrender. If there is no surrender then you cannot enter into His kingdom. Everything outside of His kingdom in eternity is hell, the complete absence of light/good/love.
This is what I believe, you may never understand or agree with my view of things, but I refuse to hate you, unfortunately I get feeling that you will not afford me the same courtesy. You will likely label me a close minded, bigoted, primitive, whose superstition forces me to be intolerant. I may be a fool, but a content, loving fool is much safer than an angry, crusading intellectual.
Actually I do extend that same courtesy. I used to would have thought that. There is uneducated and ignorant people on all sides of the fence. You do have a point about being " a content, loving fool is much safer than an angry, crusading intellectual.
The analogy he's giving left me wondering why it would be better for a man holding part of the elephant to stay in his belief that the elephant is like a tree stump, a snake etc...
It would be much wiser to encourage them to investigate it further and not just rely on immediate impressions and faith alone.
SirWasedOne That is why I am an agnostic
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Is it fair for anyone to go to hell? Why should someone be actually tortured for eternity for a finite amount of sins
That is a great point and a reasonable question. So for one, I'm not so sure some of the things we do to each other are finite. Some evil things people have done leave life lasting (and perhaps afterlife lasting) effects. If someone was to murder a person, the family of the victim would be damaged for generations. If a child is molested, then it scars that child for life, and nothing the molester could EVER Do could make that right. Nothing. the pain and damage is too deep. If a gay person is persecuted as a teenager it leaves life lasting pain and suffering. There are many people through out history who have done much much worse than these things. It's honestly hard to imagine how much pain has been done by people like Hitler and Genghis Khan to people. So....What is God to DO? (half a rhetorical question, half a real one) My second point is that I would assume God is the best and most good a being could be. (If he isn't, Then really he isn't a God worth believing in and if he is real and not the best then the devil is right, and we are all doomed anyway) SOO if God is the most good, then it would be unreasonable to believe that any person could be more merciful than he is. Therefore, what ever hell is, it has to be more merciful than what you could imagine. I hope this was helpful. if not no worries, I hope you have a good one
You choose - and you are responsible for your
choices: That is fair.
You have - absolutely - a point here and
The Bible covers it .. with the words:
"Where there are no laws, there are no sins."
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It was not this category of people, I was
thinking of - in my answer to you.
I was thinking of those who where presented
to the truth - and didn't take it, because it
resulted in that they had to change the way
to live - more than what they were willing
to do.
I.E. People who understand that there must be
something here, but find it too inconvenient
to follow it up.
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If we look at creation, we must see - that
there must be an inteligence behind it.
..Dna/Rna
..purpose of blood (carrying oxygen and
watching for attack of viruses)
..purpose of glands (keeping the balance in
the body through their production).
etc.
To mention a little (read: tiny) bit...
@@Aage152 bullshit. Plenty of good people do not believe in biblical bull and plenty of bad people do. That's not even going into hell being a mistranslation.
@Mimi is backback well the Bible is contradictory and there is no real proof Jesus was ever the son of God. But other than that, yes, there are plenty of Biblical mistranslations.
I believe even CHRISTIANS can go to hell. I started a ministry for children in a small town. The important woman of the town was someone whose blessings I asked for support. The woman treated me very badly and slandered me regularly. She was over many charatible accounts but would not give me a dime for crayons, paper, books although the money was donated to help poor children. Not only that- the woman ASKED for donations from people who met at my business just to discuss events! I had no idea what she was doing with the money. The trouble she put me through brings tears to my eyes now- ten years after! I closed the program after 4 years because of lack of fund and help. The woman asked me to help her campaign for mayor. The wealthy people paid her money to run and divide the vote. I helped her because I didn't understand what was going on. After she lost that night I was crying when a voice told her to give me $30,000! I could not believe it and sat staring at the ceiling. I looked at her and she was also staring at the ceiling! She had heard the same thing. It was strange and scary. One my way home I asked God why had he asked the woman to give me money when she did not even want to buy my students who had helped her a pizza! I prayd for her for years because I believd she was not going to died in peace. The day the woman died I heard strange things like utter confusion and alarm around me, like people arguing and fussing. I knew it was her. Later I heard a woman screaming that she wanted water! Water! Water! I truly believe that the woman did not repent or change her ways and that her soul is in a torment chamber somewhere in Hell. I am one of those weird people who often see angels and have visions since I was very young. It is important to live in a state of repentance, and to love God and not money.
Hell will be FULL of right wingnut "christians". Many false and fatal doctrines in the right wing protestant churches
Revelation 22:12-13
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Romans 10:9
If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Very Simple)
Can the camera person try to keep still next time?
I’m scared that I might go to hell but I can’t push my self to believe or worship Idk what to do help
Maybe look and try to study religions and follow which ever u feel is right but most of all follow the one that seems right I know how hard it can be but that's how I found out orthodox Christianity is right
baby ololololololoo ok plz explain what orthodox Christianity is
@@jsnicks7189 it's the right path of Christian like there are Catholics, protestants and more but the orthodox Christian just means the right path we believe in jesus christ that he came here to teach us and die on a cross for our sins and he came out of virgin Mary, we love Mary we always pray to her as well and she listens to us and we believe jesus is the son of the father that came her to save us he is god he came here as a human to teach us from right and wrong there is more but we are different than other Christians because they barely talk about mary and saints and Angel's but we love them and bring them up as well but we all must know god is number 1. If you search more about it it makes sense. When I became orthodox Christian my life went to the right path I became happier and a better person for good and never look back at my past.
@@jsnicks7189 what about Islam
The last religion sent By God
Did you Read Quran(God words)??
@@xmuhmd have not tried it I will thank u friend
Yes! John 14:6 acts 4:12
People who don't have the gospel or never read the bible will be judged to what they know.God created us with a conscience,that way we can distinguish between right and wrong.Those people also live by some type of rules and anyone overstep those rules will be punished.So God judge you by light that you have received when you were created
NCEBA SOYA. So lets say i have had acces to christianity and the bible but chose to not accept it. But i have a good conciounce and lead a good righteous life, how wud i be judged now?
@@navilsiripala1037 you would go to hell if Jesus was coming tomorrow. Sorry to be blunt but although you are a good person and have a good conscience you have still regected God. If you were actually speaking about yourself then Jesus isn't here yet but if you were being hypothetical then thats your answer. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. Without Him you can't be sealed into heaven
Hope Lovegood. So a person who is in a scenario where he has not heard the bible will be judged by his deeds, by his cosnciounce. But me on the other hand, even tho im a good person etc etc, but because ive heard of the bible but did not accept jesus, im going to hell. Hmmm ok. Tells me a lot about the kind and compassionate god.
@@navilsiripala1037 everyone will hear of God before Jesus comes. That is why christians are sent out to the world to spread His word. God put people in peoples lives to bring the to God. Anyone who regects it refuses to go to heaven. God is asking you Heaven or Hell. Life to death. And by regecting Him people are saying "i choose death". And God has given us free will to decide so how is He going to go back on His word and FORCE you into heaven.
What I KNOW is that it LOOKS like chaos. Schisms occur, Blood Libel endured for centuries. Curse of Ham was used as justification for slavery, and we don't even know why angels would rebel, or listen to Satan. Or why they'd get to retain powers to corrupt UNBORN humans, after Eve made a choice - for them?
Folks, he does answer the question. During the question he straight up says "yes," but he takes time to explain the answer because it's much more complicated than that. I know you want a straight and direct answer but there is a lot to go through.
Romans 1 gives the answer
God is not a God of confusion
Doesn’t take a Bible degree to find the truth. God has put it right in front of us
"It is not the way of the compassionate maker to create rational beings in order to hand them over mercilessly to unending affliction and punishment for things of which he knew even before they were fashioned aware of how they would turn out when he created them and whom nonetheless he created." -- St Isaac of Nineveh
Since so many commenters think he didn't answer the question, he literally said yes almost immediately. 27 seconds in.
Then he explained why people who might want to criticise that answer are hypocritical.
He also says he doesn't know about people who don't have access too but I'm sure he does know that God who IS truth and love will be fair about it.
Do you like Tom Petty?
@@kylekullin2520 Haven't heard him in ages actually but yes. Might put on some songs later. Why do you ask though?
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 he's a prolific writer; there are so many songs! 😂 Check him out.
Dr. Keller answers this tough question well. William Lane Craig's explanation is also excellent on this question, as are Frank Turek and Ravi Zaccharias' explanations.
No he didn’t he never explained why Jesus is The Way the Truth and Life and that God has elected people for salvation before the foundation of the World .
Ephesians 1:1-13 KJV
[1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: [2] Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. [3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: [4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, [6] To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. [7] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; [8] Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; [9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: [10] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: [11] In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: [12] That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. [13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 5:21 KJV
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them ; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 6:65 KJV
[65] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 6:35-40 KJV
[35] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. [36] But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. [37] All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. [38] For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. [39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:16 KJV
[16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John 1:12-13 KJV
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 17:1-2 KJV
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: [2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
2 Timothy 1:8-9 KJV
[8] Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; [9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
John 17:6-9 KJV
[6] I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. [7] Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. [8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. [9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Romans 8:28-30 KJV
[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Right after 9/11, I saw an interview on tv. It featured about a dozen religious leaders from various world faiths. The message was 'we need to come together as one people, love one another, embrace tolerance and forgiveness'. Except for representatives of two particular factions of the Christian faith, who bluntly declared 'There is no way to Heaven but through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.' Besides me being gobsmacked, what I remember most was the sound of crickets.
And those same people went in and destroyed millions of muslim's lives with their arrogance.
And people wonder why christianity is hated...
Christians should never embrace false religion simply to be accepted. We should never embrace false love either. The love of the world and the pleasures of the flesh and the pride of life are not of the Father but of the world. A true Christian stands for truth, and will not comprise on truth regardless of what the world thinks, or whether or not it might offend someone. I would never be pressured into accepting or promoting coming together with the world in harmony at the expense of giving people the truth. A Christian should always be willing to stand for truth whether that means persecution or not. People don’t like hearing the truth, they would rather hear an empty meaningless message of compassion and false humility, as it tickles their ears, and appeases their sinful nature, this is an easy thing to do as it goes along with the status quo. However telling people the truth, that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and through Him you can be free of sin, and live in communion with God in peace joy and love for humanity is the most loving caring and kind and compassionate thing you can do, but it’s hard to hear and is not a popular message in today’s world which tells everyone they can do whatever they like. Telling people that to do this you need to turn away from sin, crucify your flesh and turn to God, is not a message the world wants to hear, but it is the truth. If you turn to Christ he can heal your soul from the sickness that is our sinful nature, but the cost is everything. Our whole lives must be turned over to him, our whole being, but it is truly the only thing worth anything in this fallen world. Only once you’ve experienced this can you understand. Before God revealed himself to me, I always considered myself a Christian, however it was only when I experienced his incredible love and communion with him through the power of the Holy Spirit that I actually became a Christian and was born again. He loves us all so much, and wants us all to turn to Him, but he’s also just and cannot tolerate sin in his presence. To know him is to know the truth as He is the truth. I know this makes no sense to people who have not had their spiritual eyes opened, but I do hope that it reached someone who needs to hear this.
Jesus is the only way to heaven period
@@jasonahdjfhsdfg May you be released from ignorance and know true inner peace 🙏
Post modernism at its finest "it's not fair for God to send people to hell who don't believe." God doesn't send people to hell. People send themselves to hell, God gave us the opportunity to gain eternal life. What a gift.
Hi. Please put a link in each of the videos that links to the previous and next video.
Thanks
Just be kind. Don’t hurt people and watch your words I’m sure he will be happy to see u in heaven if u are a kind soul
Lainey O That is the most non judgemental comment in this debate.👍
I wish it was like that. But from my basic understanding, you can only get to heaven if you believe in God and repent. That’s a reason I personally don’t agree with Christianity. Someone could devote their whole lives being a good person and go burn for not worshipping a God with little to no real proof. While a rapist and serial killer can go to heaven if he apologizes.
@@coolerthanyou6040 well what you are picturing is that you can buy your way into an eternal heaven, why is that any better? by your own logic, that same serial k1ller can just do some good works that a perspective reli9ion demands and his m*rder is forgiven! just like that. At the end of the day, the person is still m*rdered!! That's not changed !
Jesus said 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me'. No matter how kind you try to be you can never enter heaven without Jesus. It's like buying your way to heaven. Yet remember you are still a sinner. Your fleshly righteousness is like filthy rags to God
Repent and believe in Christ. And you'll do good works works after being saved, instead of doing good works for salvation, which is just storing up wrath for yourself on the day of judgement
Why would you want to exist forever when in hell your soul will be destroyed as well as your body and awareness like a dreamless unaware sleep
This is a great question, and a natural one for both believers (Christians) and unbelievers. Tim Keller did not give a Biblical answer to this question. At first glance, this is a tough question, but when you read the Bible and find out who God is, that He is holy, holy, holy and that we are not, that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, then the question is quite simple. “Fair” would be for God to send every person who has ever lived to hell, because again, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. So the question is not is it unfair that some people do not go to heaven. Rather, the question is why don’t ALL people go to hell. Furthermore, as you will discover by reading the Bible, God is the one who gives faith and determines who will believe and who will not believe in Him (see Ephesians 1and 2, Romans 9, in particular). That He has mercy on some but not on others is entirely His prerogative, and He acts in the way that brings Him the most glory. As Romans 9 says, will the clay say to the potter why did you make me this way? God is sovereign, and can and does do as He pleases with His creation. To Him be the glory! Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
I am muslim and I am not qualified to say whether will go to hell
Jesus is qualified to say if you will go to heaven or hell. He died for you.
He is the way to the Father -- the Only way.
Please come to Him.
He loves you immensely.
@@danasmith1165 I thank you for your kind words but we as muslim believe that Jesus the messiah the son of the virgin Mary is the messenger of god
@@mogabriel5238 i know what you are taught but you were taught incorrectly. Jesus Christ Is God. He DIED for you to set you free from hell.
None of us deserve heaven. Jesus suffered so much in order to bring us to the Father.
Jesus claimed to be God. Are you calling Him a liar by not believing what He said?
Please pray for Him to show you. Please read the Bible. He loves you. I care about you too.
@@danasmith1165 thank you Dana but which Bible the old testament or new testament or Protestant or Catholic bible
At the end, when he says he disagrees - how so? is there a full link somewhere?
update - nope he does not argue.
"I, the Lord your God, is a jealous God.." Ex 20:5 how can all religions be equal? it cant and it wont.
By proving associated competence?
Anthony Palo i’m blessed to be a muslim
What is the hermeneutic by which Keller is certain of eternal damnation for some or many (or most)?
And to support his position he uses cs Lewis. Come on Tim. Council without scripture is nothing but opinion.
Can't we just agree that at the end of the day every religion believes in god?
Buddhism and many other religions do not believe in God.
@@gregorybezanson Yea, but my point was that you don't have to be Christian to believe in god. Who are you to tell someone they are going to hell just for not believing the same god as you do, you know? I think people should try to understand each other ridicule others and to push your opinions down someone's throat. That is bullshit.
Not really?
John 14:6
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
He dodged the question like the matrix
Yup
"Well my belief is too exclude everyone except those who accept my way of living and you exclude me from your belief of accepting everyone, so who's more exclusive" Hmmmm, yeah I like this guy and he says decent stuff sometimes, but that was real stupid.
Does anyone know the Newbigin quote Keller is referring to at 5:31?
I don't think I could sit there and listen to someone who thinks I.along with my mother and brother, are going to go to hell for eternity and then tries to make that view sound good. I'd call him a f-cking prick!
Exactly
If Christ just died for sinners we would still be in the Garden of Eden. The world is full of sinners some graduated to Servants.
Christ died for all those exercising faith in him who will live forever in the very soon future (John 3:16). And you're right, the point was for people to live in paradise on earth, conditions similar to the Garden of Eden. (Revelation 21:3, 4) While the wicked don't go to hell, but are instead destroyed forever, just wont exist anymore in any form or shape. There is no eternal torment (Psalms 37:9-11). Check out these facts: www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502018133&srcid=share
Christ came to fulfill the laws of Moses of the commandments.
Example
The commandment Love thy God with all thy strength and do not worship false gods or idols.
Christ told us that he and Our Heavenly Father when we pray.
Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy.
Christ prescribed Saturday to be the Sabbath Day before the Romans change it.
Thou shall not commit adultery
Christ added fornicators to the law and not to be filled with drunkness.
Thou shall not engraving image
Christ added symbolism to that law
Thou shall not covet
Christ added to that of not having strife without cause
Honor thy Mother and Father.
Christ added that of commanding the right and forbidden the wrong in discipline within children,we are Our Heavenly Father children,and our Heavenly Father blessed us with children to mold to obedience.
The laws are in the book of Mathew.
Datoteke C just think about if you didn't correct a terrible 2year old it would be chaos.But to discipline,you have to command the right and forbid the wrong to have order and obedience.
Datoteke C hundreds of Bibles been rewritten and the devil has been busy, Our Heavenly Father word or Book no one may claim it as his own,his Old Testament tells us that Christ came to fulfill the laws of Moses in the book of Mathew and to aheir to laws of commandments.
Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy.Christ prescribed Saturday to be the Sabbath Day in fulfilling that law.
Simple answers to difficult question may make you feel good but they are not necessarily the whole Truth. This is where TIm Keller shines, IMO; he recognizes the complexity of the issues and teaches what he attempts to live.... and invites others to live.
Dr. Keller has gotten it all wrong. Relativism is untenable and can easily be logically proven. Holding to a specific religious view can also be proven, though not so easily. It requires addressing that religion with respect to its own internal coherence and consistency. Then it requires evaluation of its message compared to the messages of other religions. It cannot be dealt with in an evening sitting with water and trying to entertain an audience.
He has not dealt with the underlying problem of this other Dr., since he says he gets it but still disagrees. That means it is not an intellectual problem, but an emotional one. For that, there would require some personal probing, which might be better done in private.
This guy doesn't know if "non-believers" are going to hell, no one really knows. The early church fathers struggled with the same question as other smart Theologians have in the past, so its nothing new. I believe this guy is a Calvinist, so according to that domination everyone is damned to burn in hell, including their believers. That said, look to your hearts to do what is right and show love and compassion to your fellow man. God will judge us based on this ultimately...
I am not a christian, but I appreciate your non judgemental comment
I don’t think you know anything about Calvinism, because that’s not what they believe. I’m not Calvinist but misrepresenting them and lying about what they believe is not fair. And the Bible does not teach that you’re judged by works. (Not concerning salvation, but you do get perks or rewards in heaven based upon them if you are a Christian)
You’re standing in front of a judge you’re not judged by comparing how much good and bad you’ve done. You are judged for the crime you committed. Sinning is committing a crime against God and your good works will be like filthy rags on judgment day. You either have Jesus to say he knows you and he’s paid your penalty for you already or you don’t and you go away from him to pay your own penalty.
We are perfectly capable of being good and loving people without being involved in any religion, it's a personal choice, I chose to believe a higher spirit exists but not believe that religion is connected to the higher spirit, I chose at a very young age to stay very far away from religion but will not try to stop you from believing in a religion unless that religion is very bad and destructive, it is very terrifying for a lot of people to just stop religion all together.
What is good though. I'm curious what you mean by this
@@katyar4883 ...... I never mentioned anything at all about what might be good.
@@vivian4949 so what do you consider to be "good"? What if someone else determines what you consider as good, as bad? What standards do you use?
I guess you all missed the word destructive.
@@vivian4949 I'm not talking about the last part in talking about the first Part of your post where you said "good and loving".
This is why JESUS said HE is the ONLY way to GOD John 14:6
he also said every knee shall bow...
Isaiah didn't say that
@@thedarkguy2315 Explain?
@@petewalsh2286 look people after 300 years in christ they changed the religion they didn't think this is wrong and they drawed isaiah we know isaiah is going to heaven cuz they changed it not him
@@thedarkguy2315 sorry, you'll need to explain some more as I'm not getting that.
If Jesus is the new Adam, and man was collectively punished for one man's sin, deprived of everlasting life, because God counts man as one unit, why can't salvation after Jesus' redemptive sacrifice be collective too. Imagine, had Adam not sinned we would all be in paradise.
I think one of the keys to understanding God is to really take as much time necessary to understand God in his Word amd with a desire to know Him on HIS TERMS. But we spend more time being on Facebook playing video games or watching TV. But today's people normally don't do that or make that kind of commitment. When you spend a lot of time looking for the most important things in life you will begin to understand them far more than five or six minute clips on RUclips.
Christians do NOT have a monopoly on honour, faith, morality, justice and wisdom.
I'm not a Christian. I'm an Asatruar. I dont believe I'm going to Hell, a term you took from us.
I believe that upholding certain virtues creates order in this world, ie. dont steal, dont murder, be faithful in your relationships, be honest in business, be strong and defend your people and principles, respect Nature.
God is seen/perceived in many ways.
Heaven and Hell are real. The way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. And other ways lead to Hell for sure. Make your choice today.
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It is called a belief for a reason. You are free to believe as you like.
Threats do not work on me. I didn't choose my pathway out of fear; I chose it because it made sense and I see divinity within creation. I also like the challenge of upholding certain virtues.
That being said, I would defend your right to and freedom of religion.
@@moonchild1758 Well, only God is perfectly good. Personal standards of goodness are inherently hypocritical. We can justify anything to ourselves.
Also you're welcome to have hell back, it's foreign to the Bible and just endemic pagan heresy for those who perversely think that it's good news that God allegedly loves you at the barrel of a gun.
True Light Gospel Mission you say for sure yet you have no evidence to back up or believe in this claim. Countless other religions say the exact same thing about their beliefs. How do you know your religion is right and the others are wrong. And don’t start talking about faith either because it’s common knowledge that faith is an excuse to believe in something without an actual reason or evidence. For example: I could say that unicorns exist in a book that I wrote and that I am the only human being who has ever seen one. I could say that this unicorn told me it’s rules for the universe and that anyone who disobeys them will be punished for eternity in agony. I could then say that you choose to be punished for eternity for “not believing in them”. When you ask me why I say this is true, I could say that you need to have faith that it is true, or else you will suffer
Moonchild 17 I too am not a christian ,although I do believe there is a source, a purpose and a destination. We are all on the lower rungs of a trillion rung ladder of knowledge and enlightenment, and the best we can do is to try to climb the ladder armed with the philosophy/theology that makes sense to us. Beliefs, doctrine and dogma are not important; the only thing that matters is how we live our lives, doing as much good and least harm as we can .
It cant be any clearer...jesus said i am the way, the truth and the light no one goes to the father except through me....end of story..
"It cant be any clearer...jesus said i am the way, the truth and the light no one goes to the father except through me....end of story.."
It can't be any clearer that a Jewish schmuck who got himself crucified caused a new religion that got so big it's leaders built a vastly powerful institution that survived for thousands of years that to this day is grappling with a vast
conspiracy of silence to keep a lid on the fact that countless children were victims of institutionalized pederasty on a worldwide and global scale that makes anything described in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah sound like a visar's tea party.
It can't be any clearer that this conspiracy of silence was kept so that the "faithful" could continue believing in their Jesus as the one, true savior.
Enjoy your condescending, self-righteous and intratractable faith.
Like Jesus, all those kids, and many, many, many more, suffered and died for you and your kind so you could have the luxory of you faith which has probably never really been challenged. Like so many in the Catholic Chuch, no one really and truly cares about any of the victims of Christianity through the ages.
You can write out lines of text on a discusion board but people dont' really care do they?
@@JohnPKING-nj8nc I'm impressed by all the evidence you gave to support your conspiracy theory, but you don't really care, do you?
A BOOK SAYS THAT...OK??...SHOULDN'T RELY ON A BOOK BUT MORE ON EXPERIENCE
@@liliesandtulips2000 _SHOULDN'T RELY ON A BOOK BUT MORE ON EXPERIENCE_
False Dilemma. These are not opposed, and no Christian relies only on 'a book' but also on experience. The book just happens to be the experiences of those who have gone before. you know, like other history?
@@mensetens6391 "I'm impressed by all the evidence you gave to support your conspiracy theory, but you don't really care, do you?"
I'm not sure what you think it is that I don't really care about but I'll take a shot at it.
I was raised as a Catholic and went to Catholic school for about 6 years.
The Pope, the Cardinals, the Bishop and Arch Bishop generally go to Catholic Mass and receive Holy Communion every day. They also go to Confession frequently, many go every day the way the Pope does.
Since knowledge of what was happening to kids in Catholic schools was known at the highest levels and that known predatory priests were simply transferred to different parishes where they knew unsuspecting kids would almost certainly be abused I can't help but wonder what in the world those Cardinals and Bishops and Priests actually were confessing to.
How could they be praying at their humble bedsides with a crucifix and holy pictures on the wall when at the very moment they are praying kids were being molested?
People do care. Although it is still mind boggling that an entire country like Ireland ( a significant number of our priests in the US were Irish ), has turned away from the Catholic Church. Laws regarding abortion, gay rights including gay marriage ( Ireland was the first country to vote yes ) and even voting married gay Prime Minister in a country like Ireland is astonishing and mind boggling.
In fact, the Irish priests didn't even have Irish brogues, they had Gaelic accents that people from the "Gaeltach" - the Irish language speaking western parts of Ireland have.
The Irish built and dominated the Catholic Church in practically every major US industrial city - Chicago - Philadelphia - Boston - Pittsburgh - Baltimore - St Louis - Milwaukee - Cleveland - Buffalo - Detroit and countless other smaller but equally industrial cities that made the US into
the most powerful industrial country in world until China and other countries started to overtake us.
I knew and heard about "de-pantsing" in the Catholic school schoolyard sometime around 6th grade and I heard some jokes about priests but I had no idea how bad it was.
An incredible amount of evidence ( that supports my "conspiracy" theories ) was locked up and sealed in Boston and Massachusetts legal testimony. The legally entered evidence was the basis for significant amounts of money paid using non-disclosure terms so that this evidence would not be made public and future abuse could not be prevented.
Why do you thing people don't care or do not get outraged?
That just covers the child predators. I had no idea what "the word of God" had to say about slavery. Catholicism is built around the authority of the Pope who is a living representative of God.
The concept of the Bible as the "word of God" is lacking in Catholicism. We don't read the Bible and like most Catholics I never knew what the Bible said about slavery, even in passing references until a few years ago.
I didn't know there were passages like there are in Timothy where slaves and slave masters are spoken to directly. When I read those passages the Bible that I was holding almost dropped from my hands.
I don't really care???? I was speachless then when I read those passages and I am still stunned and outraged. I don't even know if I want a Bible in my hotel room when I travel. Maybe I should take it out of the hotel dresser and leave it in the bathroom. I don't think kids should read this book as the Word of God. It should be read with strong disclaimers. It was used to justify slavey in my country and countless others. I suppose you could say the Bible comes off smelling better than Mein Kampf or even Das Capital but the fact that it was used to justify 350 years of brutal slavery in North America and even longer in the Spanish Empire and that slaves could be literally worked to death ( as long as they weren't beaten or whipped to death ) is practically perpetually shocking to me.
But you say I don't really care.
actually i have similar question with David before i become a Christian. i disturbed by my friend keep telling me to receive Jesus to be saved. i think if that's the answer to be saved then i will let my family first go, then i maybe only after everyone saved, i will be the last to go. isnt it? why should be hurry? i think what kind of selfish religion is Christian. i dont want to be one. then one day i read the bible a lot, find that Jesus died for people who should be taken the punishment, He has no guilt but love us so He gave his life on the cross for the guilt. that moment i said to myself that Jesus must be God.. maybe i dont want that kind of selfish religion but i cannot resist this kind of unselfish God. then i pray receive Him into my heart. then God make everything for me to grow in the knowledge of Him in the church He lead me to. and now i can see more about Christianity that i used to see as selfish religion. its not selfish anymore i see it is more to love by grace. im still learning a lot but i do believe that Jesus Christ is God. my Savior. and i dont want to let go, *with His help in everything. Praise the Lord.
but now im wondering where is my concern for others that have not saved yet. this concern is not as strong as when im not believer. maybe because im already saved. i watch this youtube remind me maybe at that time i resist Christianity strongly is because all i care is also myself only. and now is still care for myself after i got saved i didnt do much for other unbeliever. i thanks God revealed to me about this n pray God will help this
I'm not going to or want to start a long philosophical debate about this topic, I just want to give one-word answer to both of the questions in the video's title: No and no.
its always entertaining to see a video like this with a very intelligent and philosophically brilliant guy lay out some very rational and pressing subject matter and have the only responses be something on the lines of: "I don't believe in unicorns or flying spaghetti monsters so why should any of this rational and profound logic have any validity, or for that matter why should I even attempt to address it, further than saying I disagree"
It's entertaining to see people like yourself imaging this guy is brilliant. He literally equivocated like a total coward the whole time. The Bible doesn't even present eternal conscious torment as an option. Only lying preachers and their foolish audiences who NEVER read their own book believe that.