When they said why are they still making this they mean it is out dated. He even said he is looking forward to the 400z. The 370z has pretty much been the same for 10+ years
Because 12 years is a long time for a car to be in production with very few changes from its release. Visually, the car looks the same. The 370 needed a replacement in 2016, but Nissan didn't put much money in to its low volume, low profit sports car. Instead, money went into their higher volume bread and butter cars AND the low volume high profit GT-R which is raced all over the world (except in the US). They (Nissan) also focused on expanding their Infiniti brand and in the end, the (370) Z got the short end of the stick. Sports cars aren't dead, but manufacturers would rather build/sell things that make more money. A US$60k Z car is not a good idea.
Thankfully, there are still a lot of nicely kept Z's owned by older people around for us to grab. The drift tax wont hit the 370z for a little while longer I'd say. Give it say, 5 more years
@@ahhh6201 maybe. They are buying up 350z now because cheaper but they will go up in price soon. I miss my 350z hopefully I can scoop up another one before prices get too high
@@ci6516 no, the value of the cars have to drop enough so that barrier to entry is lowered for the drift rats, when they destroy or blow the cars up, then the value goes up because of a scarcity of cars in the market...happens with engines too
the most dated part is the infotainment. I really like the exterior and interior but when I cross shop this car and MX5, the miata feels more superior and more like a proper sports car even it lacks power.
@@pikapika4558 ikr, I own a BRZ and I also feel everything is better on that other than the power. But it’s hard to deny the Zs big ass is unbelievably amazing to look at 😂 The infotainment is helpless I would just use a iPad instead
As a Z owner I agree with a lot of points! Really great review. Thought I'd add my 2 cents for anyone interested in an ownership experience for these cars: Price ------- I think the main appeal with these cars is that the base and sport editions can be had for very cheap -- the Nismo edition makes almost no sense price wise and has few stand-out features over the regular car and competitors in the market (even has some unique downsides like the fake engine noise!). For me, I picked up a base 6 speed manual car in Canada (for under 25K brand new with dealer incentives) with the goal of having a good street / track car to learn the basics on. At that price point the car is quite compelling - the BRZ / FRS are about as expensive and to get into a new 5.0 or SRT product you need to go $40k+ in Canada. Reliability -------- Contrary to Nissan's reputation these cars are easily serviceable and actually VERY reliable in almost all respects if treated correctly (this is key for any sports car though). The engine, transmission, and rest of the drivetrain are near bulletproof even with N/A power mods. If you stay ahead of fluid changes you will have no problems. Common problems have been quite well documented and include CSC failure, diff & rear subframe bushing degradation, weak paint, and poor chassis coverings leading to potential corrosion. I have driven mine 140k KM and have only encountered wear & tear issues (have been waiting for the infamous CSC failure but it has not occurred yet!) Maintenance costs are very reasonable and even more so if you do the work yourself. Mods & Aftermarket ------- With base bolt-ons and tune these cars can consistently approach 320-330 rwhp (270 stock) and still be very reliable. This isn't necessarily impressive by modern standards but it is more than enough power to have some fun on the street or track. Summary ------- Prices on these cars can be quite compelling and for the right price can really deliver a fun manual sports car experience. If you're looking for a straight line monster or the newest tech / features then this car will be a huge disappointment to you. If you're a fan of Japanese cars and are looking for a nicely balanced ride that takes well to mods and is easy to maintain the Z might be a good option for you. When compared to competitors though it has really fallen behind as a premium product.. Definitely excited for the 400z and what that has to offer! Love the show guys! Keep the content coming!
I used to own a 6th gen Camaro ss. Now I own a 370Z. When I tracked my Camaro it put a smile on my face. Now, When I drive a stock 370Z on the track it was a disaster.
There's a general hatred and blind eye for what Nissan is and does in automotive media. Toyota has been doing the same with its cars an every body cowtows to them. And Honda as well. And the problem with Japanese car companies is they listen to American people who have no clue what they want... Nissan would rather build a 4cyl turbos Silvia S16. But Americans are drunk with hp and don't care about performance as they don't drive those types of roads in general. IMO they should have let the Fairlady have is day and move onto the Silvia which would have been more relevant today since they've got the Q50s. This chassis with a tuned 1.6t with hybrid would be the same weight with better acceleration and balance. And give it an ohlins adjustable setup. I don't see a business case for another Z. Silvia needed to be next although I like the look of the new Z.
@@jareknowak8712 you can find them Easy. They are hard to sell now. I got my IPL G37, a rarer “nismo” in a suit, got mine a couple years back for 28k with 20k miles
Nissan is having a rough time. But you would never say that in the 90s, they made some of the worlds best cars back then, and they dominated in IMSA and touring car racing. Ask the Millen family if Nissan is great.
Regardless of the age, this is my dream car man. I currently own a 2017 Civic Si Coupe...but man on the occasion I see any 370z, I just can't help but want the car even more.
JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT HERE: If you're comparing the 370z to the Camaros and Mustangs from a performance perspective please also compare it from a reliability perspective. The american counterparts have a hard time reaching 100,000 miles without problems, while the 370z on numerous forums has gone past 200,000 miles. If you want a sports car for a long time, it's a great option.
Yeah I always found this funny. It’s only fair to compare every single aspect of a car when you’re considering buying one. As much as I am an American car guy it pains me to say that reliability can be a hit or miss. Japan stays king on that 100%
Coyote and ls and lt are pretty stout they make more hp and torque and have better performance figures considering the hp they make they are relatively reliable. They are basically just souped up truck engines
Well currently here in Las Vegas (as of 3/26/24) there are 4 350z and a G35 for sale on OfferUp with non-original motors since the original ones blew up….i have a 2004 C5 with 346k original motor miles and counting (though my balancer needs replacing since it’s at a death wobble). I see SO many Z cars on their second engines so you know….
The people who like this car REALLY like it. My neighbor has one that he’s modded within an inch of its life and it’s fast as hell. He told me he wants to be buried it in, and he won’t be buying the new one.
thats because he hasnt drove the new one. if its as good as it is on paper, thats going to be one hell of a car with the VR30 and the manual transmission. Both great cars IMO. I loved my nismo but parted ways with it for a redsport once I started working another job and I miss the nismo sometimes. cant go wrong with any of them though!
It's fine when you put it places you don't often touch, like a shift boot or a door card, or even a headliner. I absolutely do not get placing it on steering wheels or shift knobs.
i can't believe honda went with a fabric steering wheel on the type r. can you imagine picking up your car from service and there's dirt & grease caked into the fabric? at least with a leather wrapped wheel you can make it feel like new again with cleaning products (e.g., a magic erase). you are SOL with alcantara, suede, etc.
Id rather a z over an 86. I hate the 86’s engine literally the sore spot on a nearly perfect car otherwise. A vq(or any decent v6) swapped 86 would be perfect as it would still be NA.
@@filthyvibes4768 Drove both of them tuned with bolt ons...and thats why I bought a Z about 4 years ago... and it is still the fun weekend car in my garage.
@@filthyvibes4768 Yeah, if you have the money for either, spend the difference for a nice 370 on one of the twins + the UELs. Even the shitty stock setup feels good at high revs past the torque dip.
@@toddlehman1 Don't they both pipe in fake engine noise? Nissan was never the best sounding car but BMW used to be upper echelon. How the mighty have fallen.
Love my Nissan Tractor Z. I laugh every day when my friend has to bring in his 2020 M2 Beamer to the dealer on a bi weekly basis cause his shit breaks all the time and a 11 yr platform Z still runs all day long with no problems 😂
Hah the vq motors do have a bit of a truckish tone too them especially the vq35s but it's really not that bad unless your holding the Rpms above 6000 rpm.
As a long time SG watcher: this was one of the worst reviews you guys have made. - Jack would just interrupt and wouldn’t let anyone else speak and then go off on this huge tangent - As someone looking into a 370z, I don’t care how the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger drives.... I’m watching a 370Z video to hear about how the 370Z drives. Jack just went on and on about those cars. This is a 370z review NOT a comparison video. Ofcourse some comparison is inevitable (as evident in nearly all your videos which is 100% helpful) but this was way WAY too much. Jack, I don’t care what you PERSONALLY think I should get, I think you need to start being more objective in your reviews. When speaking about the engine, not once did you mention its fantastic reliability, you tried to up-play its minor issues, while in the Corvette video, you downplayed the issue of valve float (a considerably major issue compared to oil temps of the VQ). In the 2 hour live video, your biases were extremely obvious and strong. It’s totally okay to have biases and to show them, but it’s not okay to have them cloud and shape your objective judgement when you’re reviewing cars. A balance of objectivity and biases has not been achieved by you yet. Please recognize and learn from that. Also, let Mark talk and stop interrupting him. You said your point, let him say his perspective. It’s not about who’s right, it’s about giving us both perspectives and WE decide who’s right. You need to let him speak & you need to control your biases. Edit: I still liked this video along with all your videos... I still love this channel very much, which is why I care so much about Jack’s performance and why I wrote that long winded comment. I care about this channel & I WANT to see it blow up and succeed!
@@jacksparrow5281 Honestly, I WANTED to like Jack so much, me and my friends watch SG’s videos so much and they all talk shit on Jack and I’ve always defended him.... but I can’t it anymore he’s just getting worse I agree with you :( Edit: grammar
I dont disagree i did a piss poor job putting into words how i felt about this car and on expanding on why i dont like it versus just ranting about it. This is without a doubt one our poorer videos. Mark and i tried to force and argument in the drive segment because in truth neither of us like the car, so we tried to play both sides a bit and failed at it. We will try and do better. We did do a disservice to the people who love this car. I hope You enjoy our future videos. I genuinely appreciate your feedback. In regards to my direct opinion my issue with this car is it feels more like a Japanese muscle car than it does a dedicated sports car. You lack the feedback(connected front end and a reactive suspension) and The focus of the 86, miata and s2k in being connected drivers cars, but in exchange you get speed. But to me if you want speed and the muscle car experience get a real muscle car. The mustangs and camaros do the horsepower and noise thing far better. Thus i feel and always feel the 370z has always been in this weird spot of doing neither particularly well. It much like a stock mustang or camaro does not reward you for driving it hard on a backroad it's squishiness in front and rear end feel plus its not entirely direct inputs dont help either, so instead of rewarding you for pushing it harder in corners it punishes you. Chris harris did a much better video on explaining exactly this. m.ruclips.net/video/JUhLXvxlQR4/видео.html. m.ruclips.net/video/BXXqt3ehSAg/видео.html Again thank you for watching and I appreciate your input. When in the past we said we read every comment we really do try.
I own a v2 Nismo so maybe my opinion is biased. With that being said, I think this is a very unfair review and the dude driving obviously likes his long wheelbase v8s. Plus winter tires!! Common, how could you get steering feel with winters, and if you look closely the tread doesn’t match from backs to fronts. I’m very disappointed in this review. Some good points and yes it is over priced but it is truly an amazing car in so many ways. Reliability, fun/cool factor and in my opinion the perfect amount of speed for streets. Lastly, throw on any exhaust system “tomei” and you will have arguably one of the best sounding v6s
OK, I'll start..."Hi, my name is Steve, and I own this car (2018 Pearl White 370Z Nismo)". "But why?" you say? I love the real "sports car" looks; swoopy bodywork,, 6 speed MT, rear wheel drive, sharp looking wheels, meaty tires, super clean interior, and the HP premium over modern-day sports cars near the same price point (used, $30K). I loved the communication of the RX-8's handling, but it was underpowered. Same with the Porsche Cayman, though that one was a little too $$ for everyday life to me. Plus I have LOTS of great mountain twisties near where I live, which makes life SO much more entertaining than simple straight line HP. The infotainment unit is a bit dated and clunky, but that's only a secondary consideration for me. Should I apologize that I own this car? Nah...I'll be going to The Dragon (again) here shortly...that's the best part ;-)
I hear ya boys. My 2019 white nismo still draws way more looks than many other cars. Driving enjoyment is very subjective - I think the car is kool - and I don’t think it will take more than 5 years before people are looking for clean examples of these cars to buy.
@@rupptube that couldn't be more true, I've seen car and non-car people alike who couldn't stop staring at this car, it's a showstopper and very supercar-esque. No one wants to see a mustang, camaro, or 86 they've seen a million times already. They blend in like civcs and corollas nowadays
Enthusiasts have been complaining about this car for over 8 years now. What enthusiasts don't realize is that this is the last JDM car that has a naturally aspirated v6, a manual transmission and hydraulic steering. Good luck getting these ever again...which is why prices are only going up with these cars.
That's not the correct use of the term JDM. Enthusiasts do realize the points you listed, but they also realize it drives like shit compared to a Miata or S2K or any other car that can be had for the same price.
Sorry but it is a JDM car and one of the last ones made. The Miata is a great little car. Well balanced and drifts awesome, but it is not on the same scale as a Z. Not even by a long shot.
@@busterscrugs I've been at it since 2000. I know the correct use of JDM. Haha silly. Also I own a Miata, and a g37 and have driven plenty of 370z over the years and I lost you when you said the 370z drives like shit. Idiot
@@busterscrugs Any car of the same price? I disagree. This car with a clean title and in good used conditions can run you around 15-20k depending on the trim. That’s used s550 mustang territory. Having owned BOTH a 2014 Nissan 370Z sport and a 2016 s550(5.0 of course) I have to completely disagree. Performance wise my Z Isn’t too far behind my mustang, when it’s stock. Now, my Z has a couple of simple bolt on mods and a small tune which on a Dino I was able to measure around 327whp. That’s fast enough to give the mustang a very good run for its money. My s550 is a joy to drive and it’s fast but it does not feel sporty in the way a Z does. I can throw my Z around corners and swing it with ease, it’s a joy. I love the sound of the v6 as mine isn’t completely straight piped. You don’t own a Z for speed, they’re not FAST but they are quick nimble little cars. A slightly heavier but much more powerful 86 if you will.
@@leewarner9357 JDM means Japanese Domestic Market. As in, a vehicle sold IN JAPAN FOR THE JAPANESE MARKET. If this were JDM it'd be right hand drive and imported. You sound like a 12 year old who doesn't actually know anything about cars.
I bought a brand new 2009 370Z and sold it after a couple years but it still is the most fun car I've ever owned. I remember being able to push the car hard through corners and having a lot of confidence in the car. I have a 2009 Z06 and a 1996 Viper GTS and while both those cars are much quicker than my old 370, the 370 was just as much fun to drive. I can't wait to see how the 400Z benchmarks.
@@unfairsanic5089 I had too many cars and not enough storage so I needed to get rid of one. I had my Viper and a 72 240Z at the same time. The car was reliable and I didn’t have any oil consumption issues, oil temp was an issue but that was solved by running Redline oil. I believe they started to put oil coolers in the Nismo models at some point. The only other issue these cars have is the fuel system is suspect to starvation under hard cornering if it gets too low. I wouldn’t be against buying another one and I guess that’s why I’m eager to see the production version of the 400Z.
@@WheelmanMike but do you think is good for a daily driver/ roadtrips if you leave it on stock or just another weekend car? 🤔 the reason is thinking to buying one or getting a 2nd gen used is350
Nissan is like the Suzuki in motorcycle field, they had brilliant peak era and they stopped the innovation. Sitting on the same model/platform for decades, while other company keep pushing out new tech and models.
I don't care what anyone says, stock and modified these things look stunning. Add in all the aftermarket support and uniqueness of the mkIV supra-style interior, nice tach, and future cool-factor and you have one helluva car. Not 45k worth, but still great when you put the price aside.
I own a 370z myself... and I agree, it’s hard to make an argument for buying a new one in 2020. However, I bought my 2010 for 13k and that is where this car makes a ton of sense. If you’re a person who likes to modify their car while maintaining usability/reliability, it’s perfect. You fix the 2 or 3 issues with cooling, etc and then you have a bulletproof V6 that you can road trip and turn lap after lap on the track. Not to mention it’s the perfect classic sports car equation: RWD+manual+naturally aspirated. If you’re considering one used, don’t let this review turn you away. It’s a steal right now for the earlier model ones. I’d argue it’s the perfect first sports car for those trying to dip their feet in. Loved the review though ;)
Bingo, I’ve tracked a built up 350Z with my dad for a few years and just use heavy oil, have never once had oil issues even with double drivers for two day weekends. But Motul brake fluid and race pads on the Akebono are a must, Z1 two piece rotors helped a bit also.
@@air-headedaviator1805 you could always get a Infiniti G37 which has the same engine but it’s a 4 door sedan with back seats. Also can have a manual transmission too
That was a savage review. It definitely has it's flaws but it looks great and NISMO badges still get lots of respect. Could it be better? Yes of course. Is it terrible? Hell no.
For a car that is technically backwards it should at least have had the low-price appeal. I assume they jumped on the opportunity to minmax it. They really seem to be in trouble.
Fr I drove one and wasnt impressed the driving positions good but it's still on McPherson struts and personally for me that FA20 is just an absolute snore fest I'll take my dated 350z any day of the week.
Nathan Childress I think the Tomei has a good bass tone to it. Maybe a little too loud in the higher RPM’s for some people. Leaving the duals and doing a Borla catback system sounds good too. That gives it a deeper bass tone to it.
Ark, Motordyne, and Injen make great cbe for this car. it does sound trumpetish but its definetly a unique note. It kills me when people do a straight pipe w test pipes and they think their VQ sounds good.
I don't understand why they're hating on the sound either. Sure the stock exhaust isn't great, even on the Nismo, but with an aftermarket exhaust like Fast Intentions or Armytrix it sounds awesome.
Unless its good to drive and reliable to keep long term. It's a good old school sportscar with pedigree and nismo version too. It will probably appreciate in value in the long run. I wouldn't mind it as long as its engine is reliable and I'm rich enough haha.
@@timothycc711 it will be more collectible when most sport cars become electric in the future. There are always enthusiasts for old school proper sports cars.
Except Nissan actually has compelling products when they put the work in and invests in New technologies.... Oh they also actually sell cars. They've also been here before back in the late 90s so hardly their darkest days.
I see them at car meets n shit. But rarely just on the road alone especially compared to Camaros or Mustangs - granted looks aren't for everyone I've heard some say they look like UFOs. In my opinion I'd fucking whip around a UFO anyday.
It’s true, all Zs have lots of roll and bounce until you fix the bushings and swaybars. I spun my G35 chasing a Miata through an S curve. Made it out clean but I had to fix that right away.
Feel like Jack's opinion Flys in the face of his previous review but he was just starting to host so maybe he was pulling his punches. In any event up till 2015 at least I'd take the Z over an American any day of the week as it's flaws are few and the price very appealing.
Very true. But he makes some valid points here. As a 6 gen Camaro owner that test drove the mustang and the Zs, there is no reason to settle on this as a new car. The American offerings have grown so much better. And I am a Japanese Car enthusiast. Used, I can see the appeal. But for 45k? That's insane. Nissan should have dropped the price on these to keep them competitive. R&D on them is over a decade old.
@@Maelstrom8 Oh as a new car the nismo version makes no sense, the sport package trim for 33k is its sweet spot if you have to buy new. But buying used is the way to go, especially for those who like tinkering and I think Mr Geese was spot on in the summary, 10 years or so when these are gone is when people will truly approciate them.
@@Maelstrom8 The price is insane (though non-Nismo versions with the same engine start at $30K) but I can see the size argument for this over a Mustang or Camaro. I live in the city and parallel parking is a thing, having a shorter car without rear seats that you'll never use is a big deal. Being shorter and narrower also generally makes driving in traffic easier. I'd also reckon it has slightly better visibility than a Camaro, though i'm sure its nothing to write home about either.
When this car is no longer made, it will be highly sought after. This is especially true of the Nismo version. All the points you bring up could’ve been said for previous gen Supras, RX7’s, etc. Look at what’s happened to those cars. They’ve become highly collectible and a lot of people would give their right nut to own one. This car will be no different in the future.
you are right. the toyota supras especially are amazing. i always wanted one. never could afford it. 80k some of them fully done up and that was years ago when i was young
Thank you so much for bringing your passion for cars to RUclips, every other review channel feels like an advertisement to me now. I am so happy that you have managed to carve a space and find an audience that can support you spending so much time discussing engineering and design. These are the things that not only interest me as a car enthusiast, but also help average people make informed buying decisions. Never change, guys.
I owned a 2014 370z ( auto/convertible) for a year, it was my first sports car and I absolutely love it, I love the way it looks, love the way it handles, It was confidence inspiring for a new driver, so fun to drive, the auto even today is not that bad, definitely would buy a nismo in the future
I bought one new back in 2014 at a great discount and even THEN i was like "man, I'm getting a great deal cuz a year from now this thing will be out of production." Boy was i wrong...
They are the same age. The thing is though that the Journey is a cheap, entry level SUV so it's easier to excuse its age and quality issues. When you are paying $20k for a 3 row crossover you know it's probably not going to be a great vehicle.
I think these guys are used to driving the best of the best. The Z is a great car. I would not compare it to an 86, miata,, and camaro Like you can't even compare the 3 examples against each other. Lol
I'm not a Nissan fan, but this is beautifully designed car, although I hate that fake engine sound they pump into the cabin. If I were to buy it, I would buy it used, and I would buy it over an American muscle car because frankly, it's not always about power, as I watch my neighbors kid plunge his Mustang GT into my other neighbors wall
@@deborahdiperna2451 wtf do you mean "not in the corners" lmao. The base 370z obliterates those twin cars on track. Shit my HR 350z shits and giggles 86's.
Jonathan Pontel the 370 weights 3,232 lbs compared to the 2700 of the 86. It also has a lower center of gravity. It handles better than any z car. Who cares if it's not as fast as one.
@L W tf you laughing at the nurburgring as an example? Wtf!?! Canyon run it, track it, dig it, roll race, drift, you name it the twin cars are slow af. Continue to believe what you want those cars look great but are complete garbage. Shit even my old ass 98 prelude sh is faster lmao and they're heavy af.
It's been a great 6+ years with my 2009 370z. It's a real driving experience you just don't get anymore. Good power, fantastic handling and an amazing engine sound with a proper exhaust. The aftermarket support is pretty huge too.
Wait till they completely go away from the auto world. I bet he will be wrong.V8 rear drive will be and already is on the used car market highly sought after! Hes just your typical eco dork!!! They understand the whole V8 madness!😂
Whats hilarious is that my 370z, 2014, gets tons of looks, because it just stands out among the endless sea of "me too" suv/cuv/s and over styled newer vehicles. It's not worth putting any money into, and I'm not going to get much for it if I traded it in, so just going to keep it, daily it, and get the 400z when it's out... or go GTR with some basic bolt ons/tune perhaps.
Yep I have an Ultrasonic blue Lexus RCF but I think it's beautiful but I'm telling I used to get so many more compliments on my cherry black 370 Z. I will disagree with you though on modifications. Changing out the intake and exhaust with a pro tune on a dyno took that car from 7/10's to 9/10's. some days I wish I still had it.
Or even an s2k over a Z? Fuck no. Even the uprev 350z's are faster on track, drag and roll. I dont understand why Jack would say he'd rather get an s2k lol
@@jponz85 Ring times don't much in respect to your average race track. The S2000 has a better overall handling setup thanks to its suspension geometry when compared to the Z. The handling ceiling is much higher too, so when talking about modding the car, the S2000 will always be better than a heavier Z car. The BRZ/86 is lighter, but the FA20 has oil starvation issues which holds it back. If you've been to a track day before, or at a minimum watched any HotVersion shows, you would understand my point.
We could be cynical and theorize that they wanted to market this based on the games. Like, people know the sound from them and then they tried to recreate that 'iconic' experience with the real car.
People want what they can't have.... especially if you don't have that convenience of just "picking one up at the store". Influenced by unattainable dreams and materialistic values. I've collected Hot Wheels with that in mind, "how awesome would it be to have something no one else has"...
That last sentence on his final thoughts 👌 exactly. Thats why im planning to keep my 2013 370z for a long time. Maybe even til i die. Itll be a car i show my grandchildren & great grandchildren. Ill get newer cars as i grow older , but this one i won’t be able to let go..
I can't speak for the 370z but my daily driver is a 2013 G37 and it is a great car and has been totally reliable with 70k so far. Plus they are cheap and don't have forced induction or DI to worry about.
Agreed. My DD is a 2012 G37x. It’s a tank. Fast, reliable, great in all conditions and looks timeless. Gets the gas mileage of a truck but that’s worth it to me.
The thing is outside of the US, you can't just walk into a dealership and get an american muscle-car. I can however walk into the local Nissan dealership and walk out with a 370Z.
The thing is, you can. Just walk into a Ford dealership and get your 5.0 V8 Mustang the way you like it. Weither as a coupe, cabriolet, manual or automatic. I have no information on the competitors whatsoever
@@Febonicu That is true... but for the price of a good BMW M4 in most of the european countries (about 90k euros in Croatia) which defeats its purpose (I know its mostly because of the emission taxes) and the waiting period when you order one via your dealership is like importing the car yourself from the USA.
@@z1mke A Mustang costs 90k in your country? Here in Germany the V8 starts at around 46.000 MSRP. And you have to know that Ford dealerships tend to give huge sales (up to 31% on Transit f.e.), so maybe you can get it for 42.000 for a V8 Coupe, Manual with already plenty of options in base trim. Where did you get your price from, i'm curious?
@@Febonicu From the Ford dealership... even if I import one from Germany I need to pay about 30k euros of emission and value taxes. It's like that for a lot of EU countries...and it is widespread knowledge in Europe that cars in Germany are the cheapest. The Ford dealership I went to in 2017 had a fastback 5.0 listed for 85k without any additional options ... the so called "special tax" was 260k kunas (about 35k euros) mostly because of 299 g/km co2 emissions.
I always loved the 370Z Nismo. Don't care for that piped-in sound but I love this car. Is there even an option to turn that off? Classic styling, 6-speed manual, V6 rear-wheel drive, that is a recipe for fun. I also believe these cars are going to be more sought after when they are gone. A neighbor has one and every time it drives down the street it catches your attention.
I had a random Z craving today, so I'm happy to see this video uploaded to RUclips. I used to have a 350z without the money to modify it, and that's all I ever wanted to do. These cars are truly customizable and don't come perfect from the factory, but that is their certain appeal. You can really set these cars up to be sometime truly special, and I can't wait to own another Z in the future.
@@jackholmes8105 U didnt even mentioned the great feel of manual CD009 transmission, its well known for its great feel and handling big powers.. you also did not mention the carbon shaft. Also the Balance that Mustangs and Camaros lack! You just focused on the bad things. Deliver the information to people as per the Car it self not its reputation. Anyways.. all the best
And 'lightly' is true. I bolted on a cheap catback and am honestly amazed at the improvement in power down low. That makes me want to keep going with high-flow cats, intake and a tune to liven the car up to the way it should have been out of the factory. Suspension will come next - better damping and reduced body roll will improve handling to the level I need. So skocks or coilovers plus maybe sway bars. The brakes work well and haven't overheated on me. I'll upgrade the pads and fluid when they're due. If the CSC fails I'll deal with that then. A better diff would be nice but that may be where I draw the line.
@@dielaughing73 When I had mine, I did wheels, tires, break pads, cold air intake, REV 9 cat back and sprint booster. That car really came alive with those mods and sounded amazing
It was a very one sided review they even admitted somewhere in the comments. I have a 350z I love it and have no plans to get rid of it The way I see it as long as it's able to put a smile on your face everytime you take it out fuck what anyone else has to say about it🤙
@@veryrare7647 im on my 3rd because my first one was ended by another car. the second was purchased thru insurance and it was automatic. my brother has taken ownership of the second one my current z is manual with an lsd swap and fbo tuned i love driving it every single day
I think final thoughts were super accurate. I have a 370z and I still have random people when I'm out and about stop me to tell me they love the car. Both the younger gen and older gen love the Z. The other day I talked to a older guy who stopped me as I was driving through a parking lot and he was so happy to see the 370z. He said it was the best car in the whole parking lot and he hated that he had sold his 300zx back in the late 90s. I may bias but I think 350z and 370z will age very well after the stop producing them.
I bought a 2019 z a couple years ago. I had the mindset: nobody cares about an “old” car. It’s unbelievable… having a shiny new stock z… I get approached and compliments everywhere. Yes… all ages… drive through kids come to the window to tell me they love the car, little 8 yr olds have given me thumbs up multiple times driving past… old men have approached me at gas stations, at the park, so many drivers have given me a thumbs up and stares. After all these years, it’s still not that common, and normal people don’t think it’s old like savage geese elitest snobs trying to be laid back cool (and I like the geese). I actually hate the attention, but it’s there.
Top notch video as always!! I was recently shocked to see that the standard 370z was on sale here in Germany retailing at €30k (non-Nismo), and it was still 39k about a year ago. They’ve since removed it from the website, but that’s SO MUCH CAR for 30k!!
God, that side profile and quarter shots.... It just sucks that Nissan was in such political and financial troubles during this time, otherwise updates to the interior could have done the exterior some justice.
To me the interior is perfect the way it is. Fits the personality of the Z perfectly. I understand what people mean by it being dated. But why fix something that ain’t broke? These cars will be classic sport cars in the future for sure.
@@manveerghuman5276 alcantara isn’t an issue unless you are a dirty person. My Audi had just as much if not more and was never an issue. Just clean it. If you’re truly into cars then it wouldn’t be a problem unless you don’t personally like the material then it’s understandable.
Am I the only one who liked the unique sound of the VQ motors? I mean I know sound is a bit subjective, but it's a bit like the subie burble you can recognize it, it has character, sounds like it's tuned. It's not like a dumping V6 out of a 2000 Buick.
Yeah, I really like it too. Especially with a nice aftermarket exhaust like Fast Intentions or Armytrix. I haven't heard many people say that they dislike the sound of the VQ.
I don’t care what Jack says, this is a *great* car. But at the same time it’s also a huge missed opportunity for Nissan. As stated, it’s an excellent chassis, had Nissan taken an incremental approach to developing this car, making more changes year by year, maybe it could compete with the better products from Ford and Chevrolet at this price point.
The stuff jack was saying was pretty whack. Used models with 100k miles are 15k, thats a serious bargain. The long term reliability will be better than a camaro or mustang. And most importantly, these are tuner cars that people modify. Coilovers, tires, oil cooler, weight reduction, power mods, there's a mod to upgrade whatever you want.
Never had too much trouble with lsds on VQ cars just always wished nissan kinda pushed the 370z a little harder near the end. Honestly a factory supercharger thats not aiming super high would have been amazing. I think the perfectly modded Z’s are 4-500 supercharged or single turbo with good suspension. Would have been nice to see nissan do that on a special edition. Like the extremely rare G35 Stillen edition you could buy that no one remembers
there should be a goign away party for nissan not just the 370....there sales of nissans have plummeted to a all time low. you never hear anyone that isnt a teen say "i want a nissan!" they have become unreliable vehicles....i myself never liked nissans specially the z....nothign about these cars struck me as a sports car or hell even a fast car. Younger enthusiasts...you mean kids that have never been able to afford a good quality car and were forced to buy this crap?
@@paisis123 i always heard that nissans are purchased by people with either a low iq, low credit score or both. Im in Naples Florida and I can say that seems to be true.
That fake engine noise really is the worst, it ruined everything I expected out of the car. It's like you're cresting a hill in a rollercoaster, expecting the exhilaration from the drop, then it starts descending with the brakes on.
harshest review on the Z I've seen, full of hate and exaggeration, especially the dude driving, holy shit we get it you hate the car, subjective, but way over the top biased, how do you put a review out with these reviewers.... over exaggerated so many points, TLDR if you want a fair and accurate review, go watch straightpipes version. There's a reason owners who get these car fall in love its like a magical thing. The people who don't get it just don't get it, and these reviewers are in this group. I want to preface my review by saying I'm a seasoned track enthusiast, I own a BRZ and modded as a track car, and I collect and drive from sports cars to super cars as my hobby, yes from NA miatas to Mclarens and Porsches. I have a thing for track cars so take this review in whatever way you want, but I want to justify a few things after watching this so inaccurate review that I can't help it. Yes the Z is an old car, and has many flaws, it is in its age but doesn't mean it is a bad car to drive (even in the standard version without the Nismo tuning). Quite the opposite, when I picked up my Nismo I wasn't expecting much at all but the more I drove it I fall in love with it. It is a car that gives you a special analog feeling that you won't get in other modern cars or sports cars available on the market today. This pure characteristic of the Z will be missed once it goes out of production, and most owners know this and they cherish this feeling. As for the Nismo version, it is one of the best tuned cars I've picked up from the dealer. Yes you pay the Nismo tax but the car is setup very well despite being a heavier car on the sports car spectrum. Like in the video, the Z was originally purposed with some muscle, different ideas than a BRZ and miata. Speaking of BRZ/86, I don't know what you are talking about saying it drives worse... A nismo is setup to be a tighter car and has better characteristics than a stock BRZ any day of the month. The BRZ is lighter, turns well, of course, but that's given due to how the car is, everything else you need to mod to be a proper track car. The Nismo is waaay more direct and tight it is unbelievable. Have you note I also own a viper and a gt350r, I don't get the same feeling of the Z in these two cars known to be gold and old. It takes analog and pure to another level. So I don't know where you got the indirect, inprecise, and a wall of rubber blocking you from the road, but my Z in its stock form, with stock rubber mounts, is one of the best driving cars I've owned. It's hydraulic steering feels on par with Mclaren's hydraulic system, obviously not as quick and precise but that is a mid engine supercar and the Z is a front engine sports car. Now to the problems, yes the stock exhaust sounds bad, but the interior fake noise isn't annoying. It sounds pretty bad from factory but even with just a muffler delete this is one of the most unique tones you'll ever hear. Good or bad I leave to you which is subjective, to me, it sounds really iconic once opened up. Suspension is firm the way Nismo set up, some daily drivers find it too stiff and go with KW v3s, but with track, find a pair of track coilovers and this will transform the car. The stock bushings are good enough for a mix of daily and track, but if you go hardcore, get solid bushings and that will waken the beast to be even tighter in corners. Yes the main problem would be oil temperature, but easy fix, just get an oil cooler if you track seriously, its not even needed for mild tracking, most people just think its a big deal when half of them even actually overheats the oil. Diff is not that hard to overheat as told, but I suggest for way better driving characteristics get a 1.5/2 way lsd and with these all mild fixable problems gone, you'll have a car that you will absolutely love. Of course its not the fastest car (though it can be a fast car if you chase numbers and twin turbo the engine, which can definitely take it), the 370z is a car to love and appreciate. Those claiming about the old tech, yes its old but it doesn't affect the way you drive. If you want fancy tech its not for you, go get like a luxury car. I get into sports cars for the drive not for fancy tech, also the bose audio is actually not that bad, at least better than the brz system... To be fair I also think the price is high for a Nismo, a base 370z is pretty good find if you want to mod freely, but the Nismo is a very very very good car. Sorry for the long review but just too much things to say thanks to this review. Again the hate of these reviewers are unbelievable and clearly don't get the car. This is a timeless car. A standard mustang or camaro yes they are great car but I've driven them both, not coming close to the special feeling of the Z. Even the upcoming 400Z you'll lose alot of the analog and no one knows how good it'll be when you have the new supra and more sports cars on the market. If you take away the special in the Z, I don't know if it can be the Z anymore and it'll just lose itself in these other sports cars, then yes I'll agree getting a mustang gt or camaro would be better. I'm going to end it with this, I love the drive in the Z as much as I do in the GT350R, and the Shelby is one of the best driving and most rewarding cars I've driven on the road and track.
Watching these guys review cars they tend to like to nitpick. I love their reviews and have been addicted to their content lately, but the more I listen to them the more it starts to get old, but it is a huge change from others doing channels. I typically like to jump to the conclusion first and see what is said and decide if I want to listen to the rest after that. Sometimes you will listen to the rest of the video and wonder how they would have anything positive to say at the conclusion. This video is one of them. The 370Z is on my shortlist with Cayman, and F80 M3 to added as a summer car that I might track/autocross twice a year. (used to be a track and autocross a lot and do be an instructor)
I had a 13 magma red nismo. Back when they were actually a unique car, before they made it look like a slightly different sport model trim. Back in 09 this was a decent car, but by 2020 standards you would have to be a smoothbrain MORON to buy one.
Depends on the tires. I had winter tires that offers better dry grip than shitty summer tires. I also had winter tires that constantly feels like it's sliding.
Those are solid cars! Definitely under appreciated and sound a hell of a lot better. I got rid of mine because I got a killer deal on a STI and as of now it's the car I miss the most
I drive a “Z in a tuxedo” (G37x) with the same VQ engine. Best car I’ve owned. Fast, drive year around, built like a tank, fits the whole family (sedan). Only downside is the truck like gas mileage but I’ll take that for the power it has.
Your final thoughts were spot on.
"why are they still making this?"
They stop making it.
*why don't they make cars like this anymore?"
Yep. That's what always happens.
Then when they ask why they no longer make cars like this and automakers bring them back, people complain and trash the new ones.
When they said why are they still making this they mean it is out dated. He even said he is looking forward to the 400z. The 370z has pretty much been the same for 10+ years
Because 12 years is a long time for a car to be in production with very few changes from its release. Visually, the car looks the same. The 370 needed a replacement in 2016, but Nissan didn't put much money in to its low volume, low profit sports car. Instead, money went into their higher volume bread and butter cars AND the low volume high profit GT-R which is raced all over the world (except in the US). They (Nissan) also focused on expanding their Infiniti brand and in the end, the (370) Z got the short end of the stick. Sports cars aren't dead, but manufacturers would rather build/sell things that make more money. A US$60k Z car is not a good idea.
I feel like this about a lot of Nissan cars. Which is your favorite Nissan?
The trick with Alcantara is ACTUALLY CLEANING IT. Shocking I know.
I hate the feel of alcantara it makes my nerves tingle
@@ruskibruski
Same
Sonax Alcantara Cleaner
@@80s_Boombox_Collector YUP!
The Z is going to go up in value soon because of drift tax just wait.
hope not
Thankfully, there are still a lot of nicely kept Z's owned by older people around for us to grab. The drift tax wont hit the 370z for a little while longer I'd say. Give it say, 5 more years
@@ahhh6201 maybe. They are buying up 350z now because cheaper but they will go up in price soon. I miss my 350z hopefully I can scoop up another one before prices get too high
Why would it suddenly go up in value hasn’t drift tax always existed ?
@@ci6516 no, the value of the cars have to drop enough so that barrier to entry is lowered for the drift rats, when they destroy or blow the cars up, then the value goes up because of a scarcity of cars in the market...happens with engines too
I know it is dated.... but it is just sooooo good looking.
yet simple and reliable.
Connected to my mobile app just for this comment.
The exterior still looks GREAT.
@@stephangauthier911 it aged really well
the most dated part is the infotainment. I really like the exterior and interior but when I cross shop this car and MX5, the miata feels more superior and more like a proper sports car even it lacks power.
@@pikapika4558 ikr, I own a BRZ and I also feel everything is better on that other than the power. But it’s hard to deny the Zs big ass is unbelievably amazing to look at 😂 The infotainment is helpless I would just use a iPad instead
Bad exhaust notes? The worst exhaust note I've ever heard is the very kazoo like straight piped Ecoboost Mustang.
As a previous 370z owner and a current Mustang EcoBoost owner, I approve this message.
Don't know what are they talking about, vq engine has one of the better sounds with a proper exhaust
Mustang 5.0 is worse though, sounds like pretencious shit.
Even my 04 pathfinder (vq35de) sounded decent. Always enjoyed stepping on the loud/go pedal.
@@MymRockero I think it is an acquired taste. I do like the sound.
Shout out to Turbowski, wherever he is.
Whatever happened to him?
@@nickz4993 he failed NNN so he was forced to enter an endless void.
@@nickz4993 he morphed into an Asian guy
Working 6 1/2 days a week
I heard he's up in Stateville for joyriding in a gocart.
They are still using the same infotainment system before my son was born. He is 15 years old now.
But Your boy does not have 350hp :P
Wrong it's actually touch screen now which is far better than my 07 HR infotainment
@@jponz85 ooooo fancy its got a resistive touch screen that needs like 5 lbs of pressure to register anything
Yup, got the same infotainment in my 09 G37
@@boxr_4214 better than wtf I have which is the touch buttons
As a Z owner I agree with a lot of points! Really great review.
Thought I'd add my 2 cents for anyone interested in an ownership experience for these cars:
Price
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I think the main appeal with these cars is that the base and sport editions can be had for very cheap -- the Nismo edition makes almost no sense price wise and has few stand-out features over the regular car and competitors in the market (even has some unique downsides like the fake engine noise!).
For me, I picked up a base 6 speed manual car in Canada (for under 25K brand new with dealer incentives) with the goal of having a good street / track car to learn the basics on.
At that price point the car is quite compelling - the BRZ / FRS are about as expensive and to get into a new 5.0 or SRT product you need to go $40k+ in Canada.
Reliability
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Contrary to Nissan's reputation these cars are easily serviceable and actually VERY reliable in almost all respects if treated correctly (this is key for any sports car though).
The engine, transmission, and rest of the drivetrain are near bulletproof even with N/A power mods. If you stay ahead of fluid changes you will have no problems.
Common problems have been quite well documented and include CSC failure, diff & rear subframe bushing degradation, weak paint, and poor chassis coverings leading to potential corrosion.
I have driven mine 140k KM and have only encountered wear & tear issues (have been waiting for the infamous CSC failure but it has not occurred yet!)
Maintenance costs are very reasonable and even more so if you do the work yourself.
Mods & Aftermarket
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With base bolt-ons and tune these cars can consistently approach 320-330 rwhp (270 stock) and still be very reliable.
This isn't necessarily impressive by modern standards but it is more than enough power to have some fun on the street or track.
Summary
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Prices on these cars can be quite compelling and for the right price can really deliver a fun manual sports car experience.
If you're looking for a straight line monster or the newest tech / features then this car will be a huge disappointment to you.
If you're a fan of Japanese cars and are looking for a nicely balanced ride that takes well to mods and is easy to maintain the Z might be a good option for you.
When compared to competitors though it has really fallen behind as a premium product.. Definitely excited for the 400z and what that has to offer!
Love the show guys! Keep the content coming!
I used to own a 6th gen Camaro ss. Now I own a 370Z. When I tracked my Camaro it put a smile on my face. Now, When I drive a stock 370Z on the track it was a disaster.
There's a general hatred and blind eye for what Nissan is and does in automotive media. Toyota has been doing the same with its cars an every body cowtows to them. And Honda as well. And the problem with Japanese car companies is they listen to American people who have no clue what they want...
Nissan would rather build a 4cyl turbos Silvia S16. But Americans are drunk with hp and don't care about performance as they don't drive those types of roads in general.
IMO they should have let the Fairlady have is day and move onto the Silvia which would have been more relevant today since they've got the Q50s. This chassis with a tuned 1.6t with hybrid would be the same weight with better acceleration and balance. And give it an ohlins adjustable setup. I don't see a business case for another Z. Silvia needed to be next although I like the look of the new Z.
Great info!
25k for a new one?!?
Its hard to believe how cheap those are in America!
Thank you sir they don’t know the VQ trumpets that we got are reliable
@@jareknowak8712 you can find them Easy. They are hard to sell now. I got my IPL G37, a rarer “nismo” in a suit, got mine a couple years back for 28k with 20k miles
Nissan: "Innovation That Excites!™"
Also Nissan: Makes the same products for 10-15 years without major revisions
I don't have a problem with that in regards to the Z or fronteir. Nissan innovation=garbage
From the 1st Z in 1969 To the present all increase in value with time
Aftermarket customization.
@@wigletron2846 nissan is garbage.
Nissan is having a rough time. But you would never say that in the 90s, they made some of the worlds best cars back then, and they dominated in IMSA and touring car racing. Ask the Millen family if Nissan is great.
Regardless of the age, this is my dream car man. I currently own a 2017 Civic Si Coupe...but man on the occasion I see any 370z, I just can't help but want the car even more.
It's very attainable, even with low miles. Keep grinding!
That Si coupe is a future classic too. No more Civic coupes in 2022.
@@stevenr1354meh, I don’t think the 1.5t are ever gonna fetch decent prices
I got my 2013 370z for 20k with 74k miles.
I'll never understand why people say the VQ in this 370z sounds bad
Me either 🙁
ruclips.net/video/32sIW6hJxco/видео.html
JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT HERE: If you're comparing the 370z to the Camaros and Mustangs from a performance perspective please also compare it from a reliability perspective. The american counterparts have a hard time reaching 100,000 miles without problems, while the 370z on numerous forums has gone past 200,000 miles. If you want a sports car for a long time, it's a great option.
So true
Yeah I always found this funny. It’s only fair to compare every single aspect of a car when you’re considering buying one. As much as I am an American car guy it pains me to say that reliability can be a hit or miss. Japan stays king on that 100%
Coyote and ls and lt are pretty stout they make more hp and torque and have better performance figures considering the hp they make they are relatively reliable. They are basically just souped up truck engines
Well currently here in Las Vegas (as of 3/26/24) there are 4 350z and a G35 for sale on OfferUp with non-original motors since the original ones blew up….i have a 2004 C5 with 346k original motor miles and counting (though my balancer needs replacing since it’s at a death wobble). I see SO many Z cars on their second engines so you know….
@@2003SCTword, ls & coyote engines are way more bulletproof than vq’s!
The people who like this car REALLY like it. My neighbor has one that he’s modded within an inch of its life and it’s fast as hell. He told me he wants to be buried it in, and he won’t be buying the new one.
I really love mine!!
Love my Nismo Z. Won’t be parting with it at all. Love the old school analogy feel. Did not buy it for the nav unit.
thats because he hasnt drove the new one. if its as good as it is on paper, thats going to be one hell of a car with the VR30 and the manual transmission. Both great cars IMO. I loved my nismo but parted ways with it for a redsport once I started working another job and I miss the nismo sometimes. cant go wrong with any of them though!
I say the same thing about my 350Z, I love it!!! I had her since 2005 and I will be buried with her
Crushing Oreos into someone's hairy back? That is brilliant and disgusting at the same time. And I agree, I detest Alcântara
It's fine when you put it places you don't often touch, like a shift boot or a door card, or even a headliner. I absolutely do not get placing it on steering wheels or shift knobs.
Matthew Merkey Agree, great everywhere but steering wheel & gearknob. And it's 'alcantara' - it's an italian invention not spanish
@@MattNukem Because the Supercars that trend started in only drove 20 miles a year.
I had an Alcantara phone case for a while. It got pretty crappy after about 3 months. Though it was fun to say I had an "Al-can-terra" phone case.
i can't believe honda went with a fabric steering wheel on the type r. can you imagine picking up your car from service and there's dirt & grease caked into the fabric? at least with a leather wrapped wheel you can make it feel like new again with cleaning products (e.g., a magic erase). you are SOL with alcantara, suede, etc.
Id rather a z over an 86. I hate the 86’s engine literally the sore spot on a nearly perfect car otherwise. A vq(or any decent v6) swapped 86 would be perfect as it would still be NA.
The 86’s engine will feel “normal” if you spend a grand on headers and a tune. Then, it’ll feel better than the ancient 370z
the power and torque is there, but i never really liked how the vq sounds
@@filthyvibes4768 Drove both of them tuned with bolt ons...and thats why I bought a Z about 4 years ago... and it is still the fun weekend car in my garage.
@@filthyvibes4768 Yeah, if you have the money for either, spend the difference for a nice 370 on one of the twins + the UELs. Even the shitty stock setup feels good at high revs past the torque dip.
@@filthyvibes4768 not even. There is a huge power difference plus headers and a tune won’t get you gobs amount of power in this little 4 cylinder
"It sounds like a Japanese tractor." Legit spit take over here...
@@toddlehman1 Don't they both pipe in fake engine noise? Nissan was never the best sounding car but BMW used to be upper echelon. How the mighty have fallen.
Then a Japanese tractor must be pretty cool!
It does sound pretty awful though, especially with the fake engine noise.
Love my Nissan Tractor Z. I laugh every day when my friend has to bring in his 2020 M2 Beamer to the dealer on a bi weekly basis cause his shit breaks all the time and a 11 yr platform Z still runs all day long with no problems 😂
Hah the vq motors do have a bit of a truckish tone too them especially the vq35s but it's really not that bad unless your holding the Rpms above 6000 rpm.
I’m just happy we still have the Z, 86/BRZ, Miata, WRX, etc. A lot of fun for a decent amount of money.
Honestly I'm split between the 2022 brz and the 2022 Z
@@cyberneticxylem9614 brz/frs is fun but gets boring quickly they are pretty slow get the Z
@@EmiHZ2 Maintenance costs?
As a long time SG watcher: this was one of the worst reviews you guys have made.
- Jack would just interrupt and wouldn’t let anyone else speak and then go off on this huge tangent
- As someone looking into a 370z, I don’t care how the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger drives.... I’m watching a 370Z video to hear about how the 370Z drives. Jack just went on and on about those cars. This is a 370z review NOT a comparison video. Ofcourse some comparison is inevitable (as evident in nearly all your videos which is 100% helpful) but this was way WAY too much. Jack, I don’t care what you PERSONALLY think I should get, I think you need to start being more objective in your reviews. When speaking about the engine, not once did you mention its fantastic reliability, you tried to up-play its minor issues, while in the Corvette video, you downplayed the issue of valve float (a considerably major issue compared to oil temps of the VQ). In the 2 hour live video, your biases were extremely obvious and strong. It’s totally okay to have biases and to show them, but it’s not okay to have them cloud and shape your objective judgement when you’re reviewing cars. A balance of objectivity and biases has not been achieved by you yet. Please recognize and learn from that. Also, let Mark talk and stop interrupting him. You said your point, let him say his perspective. It’s not about who’s right, it’s about giving us both perspectives and WE decide who’s right. You need to let him speak & you need to control your biases.
Edit: I still liked this video along with all your videos... I still love this channel very much, which is why I care so much about Jack’s performance and why I wrote that long winded comment. I care about this channel & I WANT to see it blow up and succeed!
Let’s get a “get rid of Jack and bring back Todd” petition going.
@@jacksparrow5281 Honestly, I WANTED to like Jack so much, me and my friends watch SG’s videos so much and they all talk shit on Jack and I’ve always defended him.... but I can’t it anymore he’s just getting worse
I agree with you :(
Edit: grammar
Your comment needs to be at the top.
@@sleeksilver Dude/Dudette, I’m glad you agree, would really help out if you also wrote a comment like this so there are more chances of them seeing!
I dont disagree i did a piss poor job putting into words how i felt about this car and on expanding on why i dont like it versus just ranting about it. This is without a doubt one our poorer videos. Mark and i tried to force and argument in the drive segment because in truth neither of us like the car, so we tried to play both sides a bit and failed at it. We will try and do better. We did do a disservice to the people who love this car. I hope You enjoy our future videos. I genuinely appreciate your feedback.
In regards to my direct opinion my issue with this car is it feels more like a Japanese muscle car than it does a dedicated sports car. You lack the feedback(connected front end and a reactive suspension) and The focus of the 86, miata and s2k in being connected drivers cars, but in exchange you get speed. But to me if you want speed and the muscle car experience get a real muscle car. The mustangs and camaros do the horsepower and noise thing far better. Thus i feel and always feel the 370z has always been in this weird spot of doing neither particularly well. It much like a stock mustang or camaro does not reward you for driving it hard on a backroad it's squishiness in front and rear end feel plus its not entirely direct inputs dont help either, so instead of rewarding you for pushing it harder in corners it punishes you.
Chris harris did a much better video on explaining exactly this. m.ruclips.net/video/JUhLXvxlQR4/видео.html.
m.ruclips.net/video/BXXqt3ehSAg/видео.html
Again thank you for watching and I appreciate your input. When in the past we said we read every comment we really do try.
I own a v2 Nismo so maybe my opinion is biased. With that being said, I think this is a very unfair review and the dude driving obviously likes his long wheelbase v8s. Plus winter tires!! Common, how could you get steering feel with winters, and if you look closely the tread doesn’t match from backs to fronts. I’m very disappointed in this review. Some good points and yes it is over priced but it is truly an amazing car in so many ways. Reliability, fun/cool factor and in my opinion the perfect amount of speed for streets. Lastly, throw on any exhaust system “tomei” and you will have arguably one of the best sounding v6s
OK, I'll start..."Hi, my name is Steve, and I own this car (2018 Pearl White 370Z Nismo)". "But why?" you say? I love the real "sports car" looks; swoopy bodywork,, 6 speed MT, rear wheel drive, sharp looking wheels, meaty tires, super clean interior, and the HP premium over modern-day sports cars near the same price point (used, $30K). I loved the communication of the RX-8's handling, but it was underpowered. Same with the Porsche Cayman, though that one was a little too $$ for everyday life to me. Plus I have LOTS of great mountain twisties near where I live, which makes life SO much more entertaining than simple straight line HP. The infotainment unit is a bit dated and clunky, but that's only a secondary consideration for me. Should I apologize that I own this car? Nah...I'll be going to The Dragon (again) here shortly...that's the best part ;-)
Steve Hays , we are planning a trip to the Dragon as well, lol. Have a 2020 pearl white Nismo manual
I hear ya boys. My 2019 white nismo still draws way more looks than many other cars. Driving enjoyment is very subjective - I think the car is kool - and I don’t think it will take more than 5 years before people are looking for clean examples of these cars to buy.
I just spent a couple of days at the Dragon with a Mustang eco manual. Too much fun, I would love to play there with your nismo too. Enjoy.
@@rupptube that couldn't be more true, I've seen car and non-car people alike who couldn't stop staring at this car, it's a showstopper and very supercar-esque. No one wants to see a mustang, camaro, or 86 they've seen a million times already. They blend in like civcs and corollas nowadays
Just don't go into right hand corners or you'll starve the pump of fuel. That's the "innovative" NISMO engineering for ya.
Enthusiasts have been complaining about this car for over 8 years now. What enthusiasts don't realize is that this is the last JDM car that has a naturally aspirated v6, a manual transmission and hydraulic steering. Good luck getting these ever again...which is why prices are only going up with these cars.
That's not the correct use of the term JDM. Enthusiasts do realize the points you listed, but they also realize it drives like shit compared to a Miata or S2K or any other car that can be had for the same price.
Sorry but it is a JDM car and one of the last ones made. The Miata is a great little car. Well balanced and drifts awesome, but it is not on the same scale as a Z. Not even by a long shot.
@@busterscrugs I've been at it since 2000. I know the correct use of JDM. Haha silly. Also I own a Miata, and a g37 and have driven plenty of 370z over the years and I lost you when you said the 370z drives like shit. Idiot
@@busterscrugs Any car of the same price? I disagree. This car with a clean title and in good used conditions can run you around 15-20k depending on the trim. That’s used s550 mustang territory. Having owned BOTH a 2014 Nissan 370Z sport and a 2016 s550(5.0 of course) I have to completely disagree. Performance wise my Z Isn’t too far behind my mustang, when it’s stock. Now, my Z has a couple of simple bolt on mods and a small tune which on a Dino I was able to measure around 327whp. That’s fast enough to give the mustang a very good run for its money. My s550 is a joy to drive and it’s fast but it does not feel sporty in the way a Z does. I can throw my Z around corners and swing it with ease, it’s a joy. I love the sound of the v6 as mine isn’t completely straight piped. You don’t own a Z for speed, they’re not FAST but they are quick nimble little cars. A slightly heavier but much more powerful 86 if you will.
@@leewarner9357 JDM means Japanese Domestic Market. As in, a vehicle sold IN JAPAN FOR THE JAPANESE MARKET. If this were JDM it'd be right hand drive and imported. You sound like a 12 year old who doesn't actually know anything about cars.
I bought a brand new 2009 370Z and sold it after a couple years but it still is the most fun car I've ever owned. I remember being able to push the car hard through corners and having a lot of confidence in the car. I have a 2009 Z06 and a 1996 Viper GTS and while both those cars are much quicker than my old 370, the 370 was just as much fun to drive. I can't wait to see how the 400Z benchmarks.
Why did you sold it? How bout the reliability?
@@unfairsanic5089 I had too many cars and not enough storage so I needed to get rid of one. I had my Viper and a 72 240Z at the same time. The car was reliable and I didn’t have any oil consumption issues, oil temp was an issue but that was solved by running Redline oil. I believe they started to put oil coolers in the Nismo models at some point. The only other issue these cars have is the fuel system is suspect to starvation under hard cornering if it gets too low. I wouldn’t be against buying another one and I guess that’s why I’m eager to see the production version of the 400Z.
@@WheelmanMike but do you think is good for a daily driver/ roadtrips if you leave it on stock or just another weekend car? 🤔 the reason is thinking to buying one or getting a 2nd gen used is350
Nissan is like the Suzuki in motorcycle field, they had brilliant peak era and they stopped the innovation. Sitting on the same model/platform for decades, while other company keep pushing out new tech and models.
That definitely sounds like Nissan lol. High peaks! And then loooooong valley’s
Unfortunately they merged with Renault. End of a good Japanese brand. Put a fork in Nissan. And now don't buy this car thinking its a collectable 😆
@@timothycc711 you ever even owned a Renault?
@@air-headedaviator1805 a French pile? No thankfully not.
@@timothycc711 then where is your reference for their quality from?
I don't care what anyone says, stock and modified these things look stunning. Add in all the aftermarket support and uniqueness of the mkIV supra-style interior, nice tach, and future cool-factor and you have one helluva car. Not 45k worth, but still great when you put the price aside.
i agree. i love the look of these cars.
Got a clean Z for dumb cheap, LOVE the car..
I own a 370z myself... and I agree, it’s hard to make an argument for buying a new one in 2020. However, I bought my 2010 for 13k and that is where this car makes a ton of sense. If you’re a person who likes to modify their car while maintaining usability/reliability, it’s perfect. You fix the 2 or 3 issues with cooling, etc and then you have a bulletproof V6 that you can road trip and turn lap after lap on the track. Not to mention it’s the perfect classic sports car equation: RWD+manual+naturally aspirated. If you’re considering one used, don’t let this review turn you away. It’s a steal right now for the earlier model ones. I’d argue it’s the perfect first sports car for those trying to dip their feet in. Loved the review though ;)
Bingo, I’ve tracked a built up 350Z with my dad for a few years and just use heavy oil, have never once had oil issues even with double drivers for two day weekends. But Motul brake fluid and race pads on the Akebono are a must, Z1 two piece rotors helped a bit also.
If it wasn’t so small I would definitely buy a Z for my next car
@@air-headedaviator1805 you could always get a Infiniti G37 which has the same engine but it’s a 4 door sedan with back seats. Also can have a manual transmission too
@@DrivingDiegog37s aren’t sports cars by any means!!!! i own ond and they’re heavy boats
This video should get over 3000 likes for the fact that he didn't beep out the F- bomb.
Yes, I’ve got these magnificent lateral dampers in my CT200h. It makes a big difference handling the 134 wild horse power in the Walmart parking lot!
That was a savage review. It definitely has it's flaws but it looks great and NISMO badges still get lots of respect. Could it be better? Yes of course. Is it terrible? Hell no.
This will be a classic. Great looking car, Timeless design. If the selling price was reasonable I would have gotten one.
For a car that is technically backwards it should at least have had the low-price appeal. I assume they jumped on the opportunity to minmax it. They really seem to be in trouble.
Great engine, hydraulic steering, rear wheel drive, sexy looks, reliable, lots of aftermarket, what not to like?
@@andrewcaron1 people are just upset they can't afford it, so they bash it. Or don't have track skills, and therefore want an American car.
Future classic here. People never know what they have, until its gone.
First time in a while that I disagree with Jack. Who in their right mind would take an 86 over a 370z at the same price? I sure wouldn’t
Yup. It's crazy. 370z all the way over 86/BRZ. Heck I'd take a 2016 Genesis Coupe or 350z over a 2020 BRZ any day anytime
@@SaintMecha I understand the merits of the BRZ, but if I only had enough money to buy a BRZ I would just save my money for a better car
Fr I drove one and wasnt impressed the driving positions good but it's still on McPherson struts and personally for me that FA20 is just an absolute snore fest I'll take my dated 350z any day of the week.
This guy is absolutely insane....an 86 over any Z......LMAO. An unreliable boxer with no power. Bro with the glasses, have a snickers
I love the sound of the VQ with a good exhaust on it. It’s the kids that straight pipe them that give them a bad rep as sounding like💩💩
True I've heard amazing VQ's and the latter you mentioned.
Faramir leaving the stock cats and going with a single Tomei canister muffler produces the best sound out of the VQ in my opinion.
The Tomei hurts your ears IMO. I think VQs need bass to sound good.
Nathan Childress I think the Tomei has a good bass tone to it. Maybe a little too loud in the higher RPM’s for some people. Leaving the duals and doing a Borla catback system sounds good too. That gives it a deeper bass tone to it.
@@nathanchildress5596 check out aam exhaust with motordyne art pipes, sounds deep
Definitely would take this over an 86/frs. And I may be the only one who likes the sound. For sure sounds better than an ecoboost 🤷🏿♂️
Right? I find nothing wrong with this sound as it sounds awesome to me
Except with ecoboost you have twice the power.
Ark, Motordyne, and Injen make great cbe for this car. it does sound trumpetish but its definetly a unique note. It kills me when people do a straight pipe w test pipes and they think their VQ sounds good.
@@timothycc711 Na. Stock, the Z beats it on power and weight
I don't understand why they're hating on the sound either. Sure the stock exhaust isn't great, even on the Nismo, but with an aftermarket exhaust like Fast Intentions or Armytrix it sounds awesome.
Damn this guy really hates the Z. I am bamboozled
Are Z cars supposed to be anything other than a college boy racers dream cars? Not really surprised.
@@liamnissanS2K it’s not trying to be something it isn’t. It’s a fun sports car nothing else.
Imaging buying this car new with MSRP in 2020... That'd be dumbest decision one can make.
Yeah....nismo Z that can’t really be tracked stock and sounds like shite...or SS 1LE lol
Unless its good to drive and reliable to keep long term. It's a good old school sportscar with pedigree and nismo version too. It will probably appreciate in value in the long run. I wouldn't mind it as long as its engine is reliable and I'm rich enough haha.
@@cardude1992 appreciate in the long run...not in 100 years 😆
@@timothycc711 it will be more collectible when most sport cars become electric in the future. There are always enthusiasts for old school proper sports cars.
$47,000 for an auto-Z in 2020 is disgusting...
"You have to love Nissan"
WHO LOVES NISSAN in 2020. It's like the darkest days of Chrysler but in japanese
I happen to like all manufacturers cause its jobs for people building them.
Miss my 93 maxima. Nissan hasn’t been Nissan for a long time.
Except Nissan actually has compelling products when they put the work in and invests in New technologies.... Oh they also actually sell cars.
They've also been here before back in the late 90s so hardly their darkest days.
Me. They hopefully get their mojo back. Rough, hard-core, enthusiast cars. Enough said.
I honestly didn't know they were still manufacturing this car. Hardly ever see any on the road.
I see a several in central Texas where I’m at.
Theres a decent amount here in East Texas. 350's on the other hand are like relic's
I see them all the time North Texas
I see them at car meets n shit. But rarely just on the road alone especially compared to Camaros or Mustangs - granted looks aren't for everyone I've heard some say they look like UFOs.
In my opinion I'd fucking whip around a UFO anyday.
I see them regularly. Maybe not brand new ones though lol.
Solid bushings will give you the FEEL back. It does feel "rubbery" in general.
polyurethane is always the answer, from suspension to motor and transmission mounts.
yeah, they'll give you the feel back but the cabin will be noisy and rattling like a 90's Civic.
It’s true, all Zs have lots of roll and bounce until you fix the bushings and swaybars. I spun my G35 chasing a Miata through an S curve. Made it out clean but I had to fix that right away.
If this car was introduced today people would be falling over themselves to buy it
facts.
Yep and it’s made by Japanese people to, not by a German manufacturing plant with Japanese rebadging
@@leewarner9357 But apparently without the excellent reliability that people expect from Japanese brands.
This is definitely not the kind of PREMIUM Nissan that John Business would drive...
When are Chet and John gonna do a creamy GTR?
Maybe this winter
Why are the presenters hating so much? Besides the fake noise, which you can easily disable, it's a beautiful car to own. I don't like the review.
Feel like Jack's opinion Flys in the face of his previous review but he was just starting to host so maybe he was pulling his punches.
In any event up till 2015 at least I'd take the Z over an American any day of the week as it's flaws are few and the price very appealing.
Very true. But he makes some valid points here. As a 6 gen Camaro owner that test drove the mustang and the Zs, there is no reason to settle on this as a new car. The American offerings have grown so much better. And I am a Japanese Car enthusiast. Used, I can see the appeal. But for 45k? That's insane. Nissan should have dropped the price on these to keep them competitive. R&D on them is over a decade old.
@@Maelstrom8 Oh as a new car the nismo version makes no sense, the sport package trim for 33k is its sweet spot if you have to buy new.
But buying used is the way to go, especially for those who like tinkering and I think Mr Geese was spot on in the summary, 10 years or so when these are gone is when people will truly approciate them.
@@Maelstrom8 The price is insane (though non-Nismo versions with the same engine start at $30K) but I can see the size argument for this over a Mustang or Camaro. I live in the city and parallel parking is a thing, having a shorter car without rear seats that you'll never use is a big deal. Being shorter and narrower also generally makes driving in traffic easier. I'd also reckon it has slightly better visibility than a Camaro, though i'm sure its nothing to write home about either.
@@freedbeefpontoons Agreed. Size and weight are the real pros for the Z. Well said.
I feel like they switched opinions haha
When this car is no longer made, it will be highly sought after. This is especially true of the Nismo version. All the points you bring up could’ve been said for previous gen Supras, RX7’s, etc. Look at what’s happened to those cars. They’ve become highly collectible and a lot of people would give their right nut to own one. This car will be no different in the future.
Mario M , I totally agree
you are right. the toyota supras especially are amazing. i always wanted one. never could afford it. 80k some of them fully done up and that was years ago when i was young
LOL. No.
@@allthepizzainmybelly1302 regardless of what you sat look at the prices of these cars
All I will say is Mario is right. My Nismo Z has gone up in value 2 months in a row now according to KBB and NADA.
Thank you so much for bringing your passion for cars to RUclips, every other review channel feels like an advertisement to me now. I am so happy that you have managed to carve a space and find an audience that can support you spending so much time discussing engineering and design. These are the things that not only interest me as a car enthusiast, but also help average people make informed buying decisions. Never change, guys.
I owned a 2014 370z ( auto/convertible) for a year, it was my first sports car and I absolutely love it, I love the way it looks, love the way it handles, It was confidence inspiring for a new driver, so fun to drive, the auto even today is not that bad, definitely would buy a nismo in the future
This car (all 370z) will look better for enthusiasts in hindsight than the Audi TT from the same era. Love that the 370z is not a softer bigger 350z.
Interesting discussion. I’m curious to see the 400z.
Lol prepare to be disappointed. Its the same car minus the skin, engine and touchscreen infotainment
Wow Jack was really annoying in this video
This lady is still in my heart.
That's fair
Yup!
The crazy thing is that nissan is able sell these dinosaurs for 30k plus new, i thought the Dodge Journey was ancient lol
I bought one new back in 2014 at a great discount and even THEN i was like "man, I'm getting a great deal cuz a year from now this thing will be out of production." Boy was i wrong...
They are the same age. The thing is though that the Journey is a cheap, entry level SUV so it's easier to excuse its age and quality issues. When you are paying $20k for a 3 row crossover you know it's probably not going to be a great vehicle.
you can still buy 20 year old motorcycles new in 2020...
@@drj2039 That really is strange as so many bikes like the DRZ400 or the DR650 are over 20 years old with virtually no changes..
@@rickkern5785 yes indeed I was referring to the DR-Z400 as I've got one and am very happy with it 😁
I've had my 09Z since 2014. Never getting rid of it.
sold my 09 Z in 2014. did you buy mine, lol
@@satchels6451 Was it at a Cadillac dealership near Allentown PA?
@@c_dubbzz6127 oh, nvm lol. this was near seattle
@@satchels6451 Lots of Z’s out there lol.
I think these guys are used to driving the best of the best. The Z is a great car. I would not compare it to an 86, miata,, and camaro
Like you can't even compare the 3 examples against each other. Lol
I cannot wait to take delivery of my 370Z Nismo at the end of this month! Truly a special car.
Its one of those "never sell" cars. Thumbs up to you Sir
Nothing special about this car whatsoever.
I'm not a Nissan fan, but this is beautifully designed car, although I hate that fake engine sound they pump into the cabin. If I were to buy it, I would buy it used, and I would buy it over an American muscle car because frankly, it's not always about power, as I watch my neighbors kid plunge his Mustang GT into my other neighbors wall
Nismo would wipe the floor with the GT86
Ricky not in the corners.
@@deborahdiperna2451 wtf do you mean "not in the corners" lmao. The base 370z obliterates those twin cars on track. Shit my HR 350z shits and giggles 86's.
Jonathan Pontel the 370 weights 3,232 lbs compared to the 2700 of the 86. It also has a lower center of gravity. It handles better than any z car. Who cares if it's not as fast as one.
@@deborahdiperna2451 on track, especially in the nurburgring the Z anhiliates any 86 or s2k. The 86 is definitely lighter, doesnt mean itll be faster.
@L W tf you laughing at the nurburgring as an example? Wtf!?! Canyon run it, track it, dig it, roll race, drift, you name it the twin cars are slow af. Continue to believe what you want those cars look great but are complete garbage. Shit even my old ass 98 prelude sh is faster lmao and they're heavy af.
It's been a great 6+ years with my 2009 370z. It's a real driving experience you just don't get anymore. Good power, fantastic handling and an amazing engine sound with a proper exhaust. The aftermarket support is pretty huge too.
Couldn't agree more with the last point.
After 400z release: "I wish they still made this"
the 400z will be the same car/platform, just wearing a new suit and packing a different motor.
Damn...that is one good looking car...after all these years.
Think im gonna get a 370Z for my next car, when my 06 G35 coupe gets older
"" No one buys v8s"". *weeps* while perusing F type listings.
Also as Mark buys an LC 500
Wait till they completely go away from the auto world. I bet he will be wrong.V8 rear drive will be and already is on the used car market highly sought after! Hes just your typical eco dork!!! They understand the whole V8 madness!😂
Whats hilarious is that my 370z, 2014, gets tons of looks, because it just stands out among the endless sea of "me too" suv/cuv/s and over styled newer vehicles. It's not worth putting any money into, and I'm not going to get much for it if I traded it in, so just going to keep it, daily it, and get the 400z when it's out... or go GTR with some basic bolt ons/tune perhaps.
Yep I have an Ultrasonic blue Lexus RCF but I think it's beautiful but I'm telling I used to get so many more compliments on my cherry black 370 Z. I will disagree with you though on modifications. Changing out the intake and exhaust with a pro tune on a dyno took that car from 7/10's to 9/10's. some days I wish I still had it.
@@DebianDog yeah intake / exhaust/tune is fine... but putting $20k into it for forced induction... that's debateable
You’d rather have an 86 over a Z on the track?
Alright.
Or even an s2k over a Z? Fuck no. Even the uprev 350z's are faster on track, drag and roll. I dont understand why Jack would say he'd rather get an s2k lol
@@ruckuswithani4451 an 86 isnt faster than a Z on any decent track. Willow spring, nurburgring, you name it.
@@jponz85 I would actually take a S2k over a Z on the track. there are corners so drag/roll bs doesn't matter there.
@@z-ro34 a 350z has a much better nurburgring time than an s2k. Face it, stock vs stock, modded vs modded you ain't beating a Z with an s2k.
@@jponz85 Ring times don't much in respect to your average race track. The S2000 has a better overall handling setup thanks to its suspension geometry when compared to the Z. The handling ceiling is much higher too, so when talking about modding the car, the S2000 will always be better than a heavier Z car. The BRZ/86 is lighter, but the FA20 has oil starvation issues which holds it back. If you've been to a track day before, or at a minimum watched any HotVersion shows, you would understand my point.
I think I hear Jayztwocents throwing old video cards at his computer screen
Sterling Pilgrim, oh I am quite sure of this. He loves old school non aspirated cars. It’s real raw HP built in the motor, not a add on turbo to do it
That sound on acceleration is just like the horrible vacuum on gran turismo 1
We could be cynical and theorize that they wanted to market this based on the games. Like, people know the sound from them and then they tried to recreate that 'iconic' experience with the real car.
I agree! Every car that is discontinued, people say the same. Why was it discontinued...and then they become popular. SMH
People want what they can't have.... especially if you don't have that convenience of just "picking one up at the store". Influenced by unattainable dreams and materialistic values. I've collected Hot Wheels with that in mind, "how awesome would it be to have something no one else has"...
That last sentence on his final thoughts 👌 exactly. Thats why im planning to keep my 2013 370z for a long time. Maybe even til i die. Itll be a car i show my grandchildren & great grandchildren. Ill get newer cars as i grow older , but this one i won’t be able to let go..
I can't speak for the 370z but my daily driver is a 2013 G37 and it is a great car and has been totally reliable with 70k so far. Plus they are cheap and don't have forced induction or DI to worry about.
Agreed. My DD is a 2012 G37x. It’s a tank. Fast, reliable, great in all conditions and looks timeless. Gets the gas mileage of a truck but that’s worth it to me.
Doesn’t it take premium fuel?
@@deathofakitty It's recommended to use 91 octane but it will run on 87. You just lose some power and mpg.
The thing is outside of the US, you can't just walk into a dealership and get an american muscle-car. I can however walk into the local Nissan dealership and walk out with a 370Z.
Yeah
The thing is, you can. Just walk into a Ford dealership and get your 5.0 V8 Mustang the way you like it. Weither as a coupe, cabriolet, manual or automatic. I have no information on the competitors whatsoever
@@Febonicu That is true... but for the price of a good BMW M4 in most of the european countries (about 90k euros in Croatia) which defeats its purpose (I know its mostly because of the emission taxes) and the waiting period when you order one via your dealership is like importing the car yourself from the USA.
@@z1mke A Mustang costs 90k in your country? Here in Germany the V8 starts at around 46.000 MSRP. And you have to know that Ford dealerships tend to give huge sales (up to 31% on Transit f.e.), so maybe you can get it for 42.000 for a V8 Coupe, Manual with already plenty of options in base trim. Where did you get your price from, i'm curious?
@@Febonicu From the Ford dealership... even if I import one from Germany I need to pay about 30k euros of emission and value taxes. It's like that for a lot of EU countries...and it is widespread knowledge in Europe that cars in Germany are the cheapest. The Ford dealership I went to in 2017 had a fastback 5.0 listed for 85k without any additional options ... the so called "special tax" was 260k kunas (about 35k euros) mostly because of 299 g/km co2 emissions.
I always loved the 370Z Nismo. Don't care for that piped-in sound but I love this car. Is there even an option to turn that off? Classic styling, 6-speed manual, V6 rear-wheel drive, that is a recipe for fun. I also believe these cars are going to be more sought after when they are gone. A neighbor has one and every time it drives down the street it catches your attention.
lol 86 over this, gtfo. Even a 350z is a better car than that.
right, just hating on the 370z for no reason, and literally no one complains about the steering in these cars
I face palmed when he said that
Is that the same manual shift knob that's in the base versa? Interior is really underwhelming for the price. At least you get a CD player though, lol!
Cant wait for the 400z to come out so i can get one of these for dirt cheap
Yeah with every piece of new 400z news, the price gets cheaper.
Jack definitely got gapped by a z in his v8 lol
That fake engine noise is an absolute deal breaker (for me). It’s horrendous.
It is the worst indeed.
Fair
it sounds gross, but atleast it can be disabled if you ask the dealer
I had a random Z craving today, so I'm happy to see this video uploaded to RUclips. I used to have a 350z without the money to modify it, and that's all I ever wanted to do. These cars are truly customizable and don't come perfect from the factory, but that is their certain appeal. You can really set these cars up to be sometime truly special, and I can't wait to own another Z in the future.
u just done drive a car with winter tires and say steering feel is Bad!
I said the same thing in our original 370z video
@@jackholmes8105 U didnt even mentioned the great feel of manual CD009 transmission, its well known for its great feel and handling big powers.. you also did not mention the carbon shaft. Also the Balance that Mustangs and Camaros lack!
You just focused on the bad things.
Deliver the information to people as per the Car it self not its reputation.
Anyways.. all the best
Jack’s hate is REAL lol. This is the best used analog feeling sports car out there. Yes you DO have to mod it lightly.
And 'lightly' is true. I bolted on a cheap catback and am honestly amazed at the improvement in power down low. That makes me want to keep going with high-flow cats, intake and a tune to liven the car up to the way it should have been out of the factory.
Suspension will come next - better damping and reduced body roll will improve handling to the level I need. So skocks or coilovers plus maybe sway bars.
The brakes work well and haven't overheated on me. I'll upgrade the pads and fluid when they're due.
If the CSC fails I'll deal with that then.
A better diff would be nice but that may be where I draw the line.
@@dielaughing73 When I had mine, I did wheels, tires, break pads, cold air intake, REV 9 cat back and sprint booster. That car really came alive with those mods and sounded amazing
You guys are high on weed! Thats a great car, may be a little overpriced but at the end of the days is a simple fast car!
i love my z
It was a very one sided review they even admitted somewhere in the comments. I have a 350z I love it and have no plans to get rid of it The way I see it as long as it's able to put a smile on your face everytime you take it out fuck what anyone else has to say about it🤙
if its so great why have you had 3?
@@veryrare7647 im on my 3rd because my first one was ended by another car.
the second was purchased thru insurance and it was automatic.
my brother has taken ownership of the second one
my current z is manual with an lsd swap and fbo tuned i love driving it every single day
I think final thoughts were super accurate. I have a 370z and I still have random people when I'm out and about stop me to tell me they love the car. Both the younger gen and older gen love the Z. The other day I talked to a older guy who stopped me as I was driving through a parking lot and he was so happy to see the 370z. He said it was the best car in the whole parking lot and he hated that he had sold his 300zx back in the late 90s. I may bias but I think 350z and 370z will age very well after the stop producing them.
I bought a 2019 z a couple years ago. I had the mindset: nobody cares about an “old” car. It’s unbelievable… having a shiny new stock z… I get approached and compliments everywhere. Yes… all ages… drive through kids come to the window to tell me they love the car, little 8 yr olds have given me thumbs up multiple times driving past… old men have approached me at gas stations, at the park, so many drivers have given me a thumbs up and stares. After all these years, it’s still not that common, and normal people don’t think it’s old like savage geese elitest snobs trying to be laid back cool (and I like the geese). I actually hate the attention, but it’s there.
Top notch video as always!! I was recently shocked to see that the standard 370z was on sale here in Germany retailing at €30k (non-Nismo), and it was still 39k about a year ago. They’ve since removed it from the website, but that’s SO MUCH CAR for 30k!!
God, that side profile and quarter shots....
It just sucks that Nissan was in such political and financial troubles during this time, otherwise updates to the interior could have done the exterior some justice.
I'm amazed they're even building the 400z. Not sure how Nissan is going to build it right and not price it way above what the 370 is going for.
@@MyGoToUserName It might be a 370Z chassis
@@MyGoToUserName since its using an existing engine platform and building off the 370Z chasis, it won’t be a massive undertaking.
Air-headed Aviator , true. The majority is the interior update.
@@air-headedaviator1805 still will be quicker than BRZ, Miata, mustang you name it
To me the interior is perfect the way it is. Fits the personality of the Z perfectly. I understand what people mean by it being dated. But why fix something that ain’t broke? These cars will be classic sport cars in the future for sure.
Well, how many cars in it's used price range have that much Alcantara? You got the wheel, side inserts, knee rests and seats.
@@manveerghuman5276 alcantara isn’t an issue unless you are a dirty person. My Audi had just as much if not more and was never an issue. Just clean it. If you’re truly into cars then it wouldn’t be a problem unless you don’t personally like the material then it’s understandable.
@@zstxrzz I think you read it wrong, I love Alcantara!
@@manveerghuman5276 my bad ! Same here haha
@@zstxrzz I have it on my sim racing wheel l, but I haven't taken good care of it, but with the worn effect it looks more realistic.
Am I the only one who liked the unique sound of the VQ motors? I mean I know sound is a bit subjective, but it's a bit like the subie burble you can recognize it, it has character, sounds like it's tuned. It's not like a dumping V6 out of a 2000 Buick.
Yeah, I really like it too. Especially with a nice aftermarket exhaust like Fast Intentions or Armytrix. I haven't heard many people say that they dislike the sound of the VQ.
@@tibor29 I guess that's true, the only people that I hear actually say they don't like the VQ sound is certain YTubers
Not everyone are vibing to Camaros Jack
Maybe an unpopular opinion but, I think the 370Z styling is better than the new Z.
Lol I have the same shift knob in my 2007 Nissan Xterra.
This episode had me laughing like an idiot in my office, thanks guys! Lol
I don’t care what Jack says, this is a *great* car. But at the same time it’s also a huge missed opportunity for Nissan. As stated, it’s an excellent chassis, had Nissan taken an incremental approach to developing this car, making more changes year by year, maybe it could compete with the better products from Ford and Chevrolet at this price point.
The new one will be much better
The stuff jack was saying was pretty whack.
Used models with 100k miles are 15k, thats a serious bargain.
The long term reliability will be better than a camaro or mustang.
And most importantly, these are tuner cars that people modify. Coilovers, tires, oil cooler, weight reduction, power mods, there's a mod to upgrade whatever you want.
Sensing some hate
Never had too much trouble with lsds on VQ cars just always wished nissan kinda pushed the 370z a little harder near the end. Honestly a factory supercharger thats not aiming super high would have been amazing. I think the perfectly modded Z’s are 4-500 supercharged or single turbo with good suspension. Would have been nice to see nissan do that on a special edition. Like the extremely rare G35 Stillen edition you could buy that no one remembers
Its a clutch style lsd....so you get them hot they slip so inconsistency. Need a quaife or wavetec with a mechanical lsd for consistent lock up
there should be a goign away party for nissan not just the 370....there sales of nissans have plummeted to a all time low. you never hear anyone that isnt a teen say "i want a nissan!" they have become unreliable vehicles....i myself never liked nissans specially the z....nothign about these cars struck me as a sports car or hell even a fast car. Younger enthusiasts...you mean kids that have never been able to afford a good quality car and were forced to buy this crap?
Nissan is definitely the shit Japanese offering
Scypheroth Because Renault bought them.
Franlly the got the reputation to be cars for "Minorities" here in Atlanta GA. Source: Friend that is a dealer
@@paisis123 i always heard that nissans are purchased by people with either a low iq, low credit score or both. Im in Naples Florida and I can say that seems to be true.
LOL Nissan king of the CVT and putting flat bottom steering wheels in the Rogue/Sentra/Altima.
That fake engine noise really is the worst, it ruined everything I expected out of the car. It's like you're cresting a hill in a rollercoaster, expecting the exhilaration from the drop, then it starts descending with the brakes on.
The 350z and 370z have already become the new 240. A great platform to turn into a drift car, stance car, or just an enthusiast car.
harshest review on the Z I've seen, full of hate and exaggeration, especially the dude driving, holy shit we get it you hate the car, subjective, but way over the top biased, how do you put a review out with these reviewers.... over exaggerated so many points, TLDR if you want a fair and accurate review, go watch straightpipes version. There's a reason owners who get these car fall in love its like a magical thing. The people who don't get it just don't get it, and these reviewers are in this group.
I want to preface my review by saying I'm a seasoned track enthusiast, I own a BRZ and modded as a track car, and I collect and drive from sports cars to super cars as my hobby, yes from NA miatas to Mclarens and Porsches. I have a thing for track cars so take this review in whatever way you want, but I want to justify a few things after watching this so inaccurate review that I can't help it.
Yes the Z is an old car, and has many flaws, it is in its age but doesn't mean it is a bad car to drive (even in the standard version without the Nismo tuning). Quite the opposite, when I picked up my Nismo I wasn't expecting much at all but the more I drove it I fall in love with it. It is a car that gives you a special analog feeling that you won't get in other modern cars or sports cars available on the market today. This pure characteristic of the Z will be missed once it goes out of production, and most owners know this and they cherish this feeling. As for the Nismo version, it is one of the best tuned cars I've picked up from the dealer. Yes you pay the Nismo tax but the car is setup very well despite being a heavier car on the sports car spectrum. Like in the video, the Z was originally purposed with some muscle, different ideas than a BRZ and miata. Speaking of BRZ/86, I don't know what you are talking about saying it drives worse... A nismo is setup to be a tighter car and has better characteristics than a stock BRZ any day of the month. The BRZ is lighter, turns well, of course, but that's given due to how the car is, everything else you need to mod to be a proper track car. The Nismo is waaay more direct and tight it is unbelievable. Have you note I also own a viper and a gt350r, I don't get the same feeling of the Z in these two cars known to be gold and old. It takes analog and pure to another level. So I don't know where you got the indirect, inprecise, and a wall of rubber blocking you from the road, but my Z in its stock form, with stock rubber mounts, is one of the best driving cars I've owned. It's hydraulic steering feels on par with Mclaren's hydraulic system, obviously not as quick and precise but that is a mid engine supercar and the Z is a front engine sports car.
Now to the problems, yes the stock exhaust sounds bad, but the interior fake noise isn't annoying. It sounds pretty bad from factory but even with just a muffler delete this is one of the most unique tones you'll ever hear. Good or bad I leave to you which is subjective, to me, it sounds really iconic once opened up. Suspension is firm the way Nismo set up, some daily drivers find it too stiff and go with KW v3s, but with track, find a pair of track coilovers and this will transform the car. The stock bushings are good enough for a mix of daily and track, but if you go hardcore, get solid bushings and that will waken the beast to be even tighter in corners. Yes the main problem would be oil temperature, but easy fix, just get an oil cooler if you track seriously, its not even needed for mild tracking, most people just think its a big deal when half of them even actually overheats the oil. Diff is not that hard to overheat as told, but I suggest for way better driving characteristics get a 1.5/2 way lsd and with these all mild fixable problems gone, you'll have a car that you will absolutely love. Of course its not the fastest car (though it can be a fast car if you chase numbers and twin turbo the engine, which can definitely take it), the 370z is a car to love and appreciate. Those claiming about the old tech, yes its old but it doesn't affect the way you drive. If you want fancy tech its not for you, go get like a luxury car. I get into sports cars for the drive not for fancy tech, also the bose audio is actually not that bad, at least better than the brz system...
To be fair I also think the price is high for a Nismo, a base 370z is pretty good find if you want to mod freely, but the Nismo is a very very very good car. Sorry for the long review but just too much things to say thanks to this review. Again the hate of these reviewers are unbelievable and clearly don't get the car. This is a timeless car. A standard mustang or camaro yes they are great car but I've driven them both, not coming close to the special feeling of the Z. Even the upcoming 400Z you'll lose alot of the analog and no one knows how good it'll be when you have the new supra and more sports cars on the market. If you take away the special in the Z, I don't know if it can be the Z anymore and it'll just lose itself in these other sports cars, then yes I'll agree getting a mustang gt or camaro would be better. I'm going to end it with this, I love the drive in the Z as much as I do in the GT350R, and the Shelby is one of the best driving and most rewarding cars I've driven on the road and track.
Watching these guys review cars they tend to like to nitpick. I love their reviews and have been addicted to their content lately, but the more I listen to them the more it starts to get old, but it is a huge change from others doing channels. I typically like to jump to the conclusion first and see what is said and decide if I want to listen to the rest after that. Sometimes you will listen to the rest of the video and wonder how they would have anything positive to say at the conclusion. This video is one of them. The 370Z is on my shortlist with Cayman, and F80 M3 to added as a summer car that I might track/autocross twice a year. (used to be a track and autocross a lot and do be an instructor)
I had a 13 magma red nismo. Back when they were actually a unique car, before they made it look like a slightly different sport model trim. Back in 09 this was a decent car, but by 2020 standards you would have to be a smoothbrain MORON to buy one.
There are actually quite a few smoothbrain morons that actually bought brand 370z Nismos in 2020, and of course they trashing this review as expected.
Drives on winter tires, complains about feeling nothing through the wheels? Any car feels like it's on 50 ft of rubber on winters.
Depends on the tires. I had winter tires that offers better dry grip than shitty summer tires. I also had winter tires that constantly feels like it's sliding.
He can probably tell which component has which type of influence.
I wanted one, got a Genesis coupe for half the price
Those are solid cars! Definitely under appreciated and sound a hell of a lot better. I got rid of mine because I got a killer deal on a STI and as of now it's the car I miss the most
@@Vault13CanteenFNV They fly under the radar because "it's a hyundai" of course. Love mine in yellow
@@McGarf My 2013 2.0T 6MT was garbage compared to the 07 350Z I had before it and the G37S Coupe I traded it in for. It had a ton of issues.
@@kingpeasant5099 that's too bad, myself and everyone I know with one has a 3.8
@@Vault13CanteenFNV I traded my genesis coupe for a BMW 340i and sorely miss it
I drive a “Z in a tuxedo” (G37x) with the same VQ engine. Best car I’ve owned. Fast, drive year around, built like a tank, fits the whole family (sedan). Only downside is the truck like gas mileage but I’ll take that for the power it has.
Loved the final thoughts. Couldn't agree more with this car being a future classic, people WILL miss this simple formula of a sports car