This has been a good demonstration for why we need to use the barrel length, the bullet weight and the bullet speed to calculate the foot lbs. of force from a cartridge.
@@MrCobb-rq8ivSure it will, just add a 5 mph cross wind. Both have their uses, when times got tight during the ammo shortage, could always find 17 HMR, have put a bunch through my Savage.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv check the ballistic table or ask a hunter. 22WMR is more versatile round and has more bullet weight options. comparing the hornady 17gr vs the Remington 33gr accutip, at no point is the energy of the hornady even close to the Remington. energy at the muzzle hornady 245 ft pounds remington 293 ft pounds at 150 yards hornady 99 ft pounds Remington 122 ft pounds at 150 yards the bullet drop is an extra 2 inches on the 22wmr if you learn how to shoot instead of shoot off your mouth you might be surprised
Great fun, I also have a 17, an LR and my new Savage 22 mag. They are all so much fun at the range, loved to to see the underestimated power of these three rounds going through Stainless.Enjoying the videos from British Columbia Canada
Growing up in the hills of the Appalachian mountains, a 12 gauge and .22lr were the only two long guns needed. Oh, and did I mention that everywhere had those two for sale? To hillbillies everything else is just a "niche" round. 😆
Yep, Country boys learn young that you can take a heck of a lot more food home with a little bullet placed properly than with a big bullet placed poorly.
Hell yeah!! Appalachian and Allegheny Mountain raised!! Hunted with both ,a Marlin 22WMR bolt action,and a 12 gauge Remington 870. (Had a Marlin 36 30-30 in the gun rack) For what we hunted that's all the gun we ever needed
I agree but now you get a combo gun. 30-60/12 gauge for deer/quail or the ultimate squirrel gun 22 mag/410 over unders. Yrs ago you could get a "drilling" but their not made anymore and stupid expensive. Side by side shotgun with a rifle between/top of the shotgun. Now. If you can find one? 10-15 thou $$ is on the cheap side.
@kennethlocke4213 I had one of those 30 plus years ago. Didn't know what I had then 😞 .22lr on top .410 on bottom. Can't remember who it was made by as I got it in a trade for a 70s Buick Centurion. $45, a.22lr, and the over under. That was just before I left for the Army in 85. Not sure where it is now. Nostalgia took over and bought me a Pardner .410 3inch last year. I bought a 9mm sleeve for it due to hard to find slugs and my grandson (14) loves shooting it 🙂. Not to much longer it'll be his 😊. Hope he hangs on to it better than me.
.22LR subsonic is my all time favourite. Not as deadly as the others, but still deadly on small game and almost silent when suppressed. For everything else, there is centrefire.
22 MAG has always been a favorite of mine. First rifle I bought at 7 years old was a 22 MAG and let me tell you what. I still have it to this day. People jaw drop when they see me shooting iron sights at 200 yards with quarter size groups.
I know when I was a kid I seen my dad shoot a red fox at about 100 yards with a 22 magnum and it took its lower jaw off and I know this because I seen it first hand, i have never shot a 17 hmr so i will not knock that round at all.
I'd agree. However if I was in the field and I'd only be carrying one it'd be the .17 HMR due to that flatter trejectory and ability to reach further out and touch the varmits. The only downside IMHO is if you've got a bit of wind the mass of the 22 mag would have less drift. The compromise would be to have one with swapable barrels, however that would not be ideal to do in the field.
17 HMR does have a flatter trajectory way past 100 yards but it loses energy must faster than the 22 mag. If your shooting rabbits it won't matter. If your shooting tougher game like Coyotes it will.
Even the lowly 22 short will kill. I set up a similar test to yours with white pine 2x4's (nominal) with .22 short, .22Long Rifle, and .22 mag out of a North American Arms revolver (short barrel) and the short protruded just out of the first board and the 22 LR and .22 Mag were about the same through 4 boards. A brain or heart shot with any of these and "game over". Thanks for the test !
100 % correct ! I use 22 subsonic for deer control. They are quiet......and accurate ! No need to " kill " shoot not to kill.......they go off.......never to be seen again ! Accurate out to 150 yards ! They do the job !
Most excellent comparison demonstration. All three rounds have definitive uses. .22lr = targets 25# or less @ 100m. 22mag = targets 100# or less @ 100m. .17mag = targets 75# or less @ 200m. Just a basic rule of thumb...
I often wondered which was more powerful so now we have a pretty good idea, Thanks to you! And stainless is very tough! Ruining a few drill bits in my day drilling the stuff. Of course I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of any of those rounds! Kind Thanks and Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
@@patrickgriffitt6551 its a rimfire cartridge adapted from a .27 cal nail gun cartridge using 15, 20 or 25 gr .17 projectiles. It is currently the fastest rimfire in the world and the trajectory is absolutely amazing on it!
In the case of the cal.17, hollow-point type ammunition should not have been used, because when it hits a hard surface, it ensures the smallest possible penetration in addition to releasing all its kinetic energy to the surface! For punching through stainless steel sheets, not an optimal projectile type! Compared to the other projectiles in this test, the cal. 17, started at a disadvantage! Nevertheless, it ranks well because the impact surface of the 17 caliber is ~33% smaller than that of the 22.
The 22 mag was at a slight disadvantage because it was just above the plate support which would cause a little more flex and absorb some of the shock. I believe if the shot were as low as the first two the mag would have made it through the fifth plate.
I think that the 17 did the best. It basically matched the result of the 22 mag at half the weight. I do see the point of the place even with that. Half the weight.
Hi Larry here I have them both, my personal belief is that little 17 HMR is a wicked round, have used it a lot, KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDEOS I LOVE WATCHING THEM
I was always a 22LR and Mag fan from the time I was a kid learning to shoot. From squirrel to rabbit, it was my go-to. A few years ago, someone asked me to take a look at a a rifle he had "found." It was covered in mud and even had a dirt dauber's nest in the barrel. He also handed me a bag of parts that he removed and didn't know where they went. It was so nasty that you couldn't even tell what caliber it was unless you looked at the breech and saw the size of it. Just removing the dirt, I saw it was a Marlin 917. I spent well over a week cleaning and soaking it to get the rust removed. Then, I had to look up a schematic to see where all those little parts in the bag went to. I picked up a couple magazines for cheap on eBay, some Slick 2000 lube, and a cheap $30-$40 scope. I was unsure of how it would fire, so I actually tied a string to the trigger and stood about 5 feet away. It fired fine, so I aligned and zeroed the scope and it shot like a champ. When it was all finished, with my time and a few parts I had to buy, I told the guy I would have to charge him around $150. He didn't have the money, so he asked me if I'd give him $40 for the rifle and call it even. Of course I did it. Over the years, this has been my go to for longer range small caliber. I've taken out a few beavers that dammed up the lakes I live on, a few coyotes, and just to see if I could, a couple rabbits at 100+ yards. I guess I need to show some love to my 22 rifles before they think I no longer love them!
Dude, you are mine and my boys favorite bull lots feller😂 Got 2 boys and we always put your videos in our top 5 and enjoy. Congrats on having a crap ton of subscribers and staying real brother.
Rim fire fan here WhoTee so i enjoyed this one a lot ! I love the MacGyver metal sheet stand !!! All three rounds pack a lot more punch than most folks realize !
I think that the 22 mag was compromised by hitting center of plate . Center of plate has more flex give . I think that if you shot the 22mag again near the side of plate it would go thru one more plate
@@neilmoreland5476 probably a neat idea , but as of now 32h&r mag is very hard to find and favor seems to be falling from 327 as I type . In my opinion 327 is a very practical round as interchangeable with 32 long and 32h&r mag.Also 32 calibre bullets are renowned for accuracy. I don’t know what’s going on with ammo manufacturing but many calibers seem to be non existent.I always wanted to see an N Frame 8 shot in 22 hornet
@@randyblackburn9765 Randy ,,Thanks for your response and imput on the 32 cals..I'm aware of the current 32 cal centerfire cartridges which are pretty available here in SW OHIO where I reside. I'm bout 20 miles SW of Dayton Ohio. What I was really talking about is the 32 cal Rimfire ammo which has been obsolete since the early 1900s. There use to be many different Rimfire calibers available until the centerline rounds started dominating and the 22 cal long rifle rimfire hit the market and it too dominated the market. If my memory serves me right,, 32 and 44 calibers Rimfires date back to use in the Civil War even. I've shot some 32 cal long, Rimfire in my old Stevens rifle that my Dad had bought and was very impressed with it,,so I'm hoping some manufacturer of both guns and ammo might jump on the bandwagon and bring it back,,,and maybe make a rimfire, Long Rifle and Magnum round also both in rimfire.. I have 3 boxes of 32 caliber rimfire I bought early 2000 that's made in Brazil,,,Last run of 32 cal rimfire that I'm aware of. It was $41.00 a box of 50 then, round 2005.. Guess what it's going for now? Might as well be a box of GOLD now.. Wish I'd bought more,,guy said he had a pallet of it,,buy all I want..Duh,,I bought 3 boxes then.. But I wasn't aware the Brazilian company was shutting down production of their 32 cal rimfire long ammo then either...
WTW, very good and informative video. Thank you! Everyone should own at least 2, 22lr, a hand gun and a rifle! Cheap ammo, fun to shoot. A friend staying with me had a Ruger lever in 17, Turkey running, fired, at 15 yds. went through a pine trim board on my garage, and still at about 60 yds. hit and killed the turkey. Impressive. But, cleaning that 17 is harder than a 22 cal. Many cleaning kits don't include rod's or tips for 17 cal. Also ammo availability and cost. As I stated before, 22 lr first, 2nd of the three, 22mag. Ammo in my area is more available than 17. I like to stick with ammo that has passed the test of time. I don't hear much about the Ruger 204 today, will the 17 or the 5.7 stick around? Performance wise, GREAT calibers! I will stick with my Ruger 10/22 for squirrels and wood chucks up to ?75 + yds. After that distance I pull out my Grandfather's Rem. 722 in 222 cal. Yes more recoil and retort, but I reload the ammo. myself with much less cost than cost than 17 or 22mag. OK guys and gals, above, I mentioned ammo passing the test of time, I digress, the 222 has rightly been replaced by the 556/223. I also own the following firearms I have inherited in calibers which have passed the test of time, but their time has unfortunately passed! A Sav. 99 in 358 cal. Win. 53 in 44-40, a nd a Win. 1895 in 405 cal. I have purchased reloading components for all to allow their legacy to continue! But I would love to be able to afford to own all of the three cal. of this video! ! Can't have too many guns right?
I still like the 17 HMR because it has an edge on accuracy over the 22 Mag. For another test try the 20gr FMJ in the 17 HMR vs the 40 FMJ in the 22 Mag and lets see how they compare .
It was also a hollow point that was designed to break up. It is my assumption that if they all three had jacketed solid lead bullets the .17HMR would have gone through more plates.
I bought a .17 HMR for the ballistics. It shoots a lot flatter than the .22mag. If you are dealing with pests in an area with clear view out to 400 feet the .17 does not require you to make adjustment whether that gopher is at 50 feet or 400. I can aim the scope straight at the center.
I shoot a fair amount of .22LR out of either a Ruger 1022, or an M&P 1522. Love both. Great on small game and pests. But for range, accuracy and flat trajectory, you would be hard pressed to beat the .17HMR. I love my CZ and it has been an incredibly accurate and long reaching little rifle. I have never shot a .22WMR, so have no personal experience, but looking at your results, it seems clear it has excellent stopping power, but possibly at the cost of quite a drop off in trajectory at anything much over 75 to 100 yards. My .17 has been amazing out to 200 yards on occasion and my longest measured rabbit, was out at a ridiculous 275 yards one very still summer evening. A small hold over did the trick and the devastation from that wonderful little round was 'convincing'! Fun video here; thanks for the effort in making it.😊
22mag here. I missed the 50grain game shock These were great on sml hog, coyotes, and NA River Otters. Hard to find. these but they do travel slower but the penetration is great.
The .22 mag wins hands down. Not only did it give more damage at the final plate it also gave a larger hole from begining to end. The .22mag is a very under rated cartridge in times past would be the only caliber rifle a household would have due to its versatility. Small game, predators, deer and even used for a slaughter gun for livestock. If anything more was needed the household usually had a shotgun of some type. Another .22 cal. I would like to see you spend some time on is the .22 hornet. Many backwoodsmen here in my area loved this caliber as a go to for everything. Nowdays its kinda considered a novelty caliber but i still believe it hard to beat in the predator hunting game. Unbelievably Its also legal for deer in my home state.
22 mag. is a very well designed cartridge. It put several small centerfire rounds out of the varmint business. such as the 25-20 and 32-20 because the ammo and rifles are cheaper but still get the job done at short ranges.
The 22 hornet is an old cartridge, I think it dates back to the 1880's also it's a center fire so it would out perform just about any rimfire. For being an old round it's very expensive. I knew a rancher in Oregon who like it, he said is good flat shooting round up to 200 yards, used mainly for coyotes, small game and non-game varmints on his land. Always kept the rifle in his ranch truck.
@@michaelmurphy6869 - that is the problem with the Hornet - cost and availability. That's why the 22 mag. put the small varmint centerfires out if business. Ammo and rifles are cheap, and it is good up to 150 yards for varmints which is plenty for most farmers, hunters, etc. Compare the cost of a 22 mag. rifle to a 22 Hornet, no contest.
I’ve shot several groundhogs at 165 and 135 yards with my Savage 17 HMR with bull barrel. On the other hand I like my Savage 22 mag for fox and coyote at closer rages or when breezy conditions. Both are good tools for the right job. Thanks, I enjoyed your comparison!
That .17 has some “boogie”. I’d love to see PCC’s or Henry’s shooting pistol rounds and the same test. 9mm, 45ACP, 38 spl, .357 mag, .44 spl, .44 mag, …….whatever you can “round” up. Some of us would love to get a rifle with the same ammo as a pistol. Maybe one rifle round at the end for comparison. Thanks WTW.
This was a test of penetration where a smaller pointed projectile at higher velocity has a distinct advantage. The 22 WMR is much more versatile and with well placed shots can take down a hog or a deer at up to 100yds.
I thought that the mag moved the entire assembly the most. Though I went back and looked at the 17 and they appeared comparable. I'll bet they both may go through one more plate if the assembly was secured to the table. A lot of energy was lost just moving the assembly. I'm a 22 mag guy myself. Great video!
I was falling a sleep the first and second times watching this ( not video's fault ). I had the same thoughts as some of the other commenters. After I woke up I went back and rewatched a third time ( hope in some way it help with the analytics ). Saw that both the 17 HMR and the 22 mag were JHP's I've always wondered about 22 mag. Awesome idea on this comparison was going to suggest FMJ's compared but if memory serves me correctly no one makes a 17 FMJ in fact the 1 shot here is the closest to that....
So why didnt you use China plates & 5w30 while standing on your left foot & include a .375 H&H because I have a Chevy & would like to see a 12 gauge pumpkin ball on a Tuesday but had a .30-30 & think that this test should've been done in a swimming pool because my cousin can swim if he has spare ammo for his .220 Swift? ALL seriousness aside: We DO appreciate your time, your expenses incurred, your efforts & your family's understanding! Thank you. Never stop. Never let the naysayers get you down. Never slow down. We love you Brother. We appreciate your hard work. And we appreciate your efforts to keep it real & interesting! Yet another good video man.😉👍
Thanks Who for another great video! Love your down to earth tests! Just a suggestion if possible, why not try small caliber center fire rounds (e.g 17 Remington, 204 Ruger, 220 Swift all those rounds are pushing the 4000fps relm) and shoot from a 100 yards or less at that same target set up. That would cool to see the results and after do the clay tests to make some modern art. Thanks again brother looking forward to the next videos. Keep up the great work!! God bless ya!
I’m a big fan of the li’l ole .17HMR. Only have 1 gun chambered in/for it though and it’s a Taurus revolver and it’s a 6” barrel and the model 617 I believe it is? But then I also like the .22 Win Mag. And who doesn’t like the .22LR?! Great video and demonstration Hoot.
I'm a huge .17HMR fan since we got them here in Australia around late 02 early 03. 17 has worked on every thing I've shot at. It would be interesting to see the damage on the 20gr hollow points from the .17HMR as the 17gr are polimer tip that helps the bullet dump more energy and breaks up. Love your work big fella
basically the 17 and 22 mag have double the powder charge of the 22lr… and a .223 has double the powder again. i wonder if a 223/556 would of gone through them all…i’m thinking no problem, but…. haha. great video! cheers
Before you get into rimfire, take a look at the latest modern pellet guns or known as air rifles out nowadays, close to as powerful as a rimfire 22 LR, cheaper to shoot and quiet, it is all that a person needs, with a scope.
Great video. I’m bookmarking it to share. WMR’s “.22” nomenclature belies its power to many. This also is gonna help me when I get into conversations with folks who remain steadfastly against the possibility that softer aircraft aluminum couldn’t damage the steel of the towers on 9/11. Velocity’s tangible effect was illustrated quite aptly in this presentation. Lead is considerably softer than SS.
Great video Hootey. How far was the muzzle from the first plate? It would be interesting to see how the three performed at rimfire ranges at say 50 - 70 yards. Thanks for sharing.
If you use a 17 fmj then it will win. If not then either the 22 or 22 mag will win. If that 22 lr is a round nose fmj then it will go through the most plates
@@ABSilverback Small correction threre. jhp in 17 hmr is not soft point but fragmenting bullet. Same as v-max bullets but whitout plastic tip. In video can see that effect quite clearly when it made two holes in plate number 3. Overally nice perfomance against 22wmr which weighted two times more while being normal lead hp bullet. I think with fmj bullets 17hmr will go deeper because that round is really punching holes way above its weight class. Edit: Generally 17hmr 17 grain bullets are fragmenting and 20 grains are either soft points or fmj.
I have been comparing 22mag and 17HMR for along time on multiple distances and targets. Kill power is about the same. I think it is speed vs power in making the bullet expand that equals out the kill power. Accuracy out to 100-110 yards is pretty much the same... after that the 17 continues on a flatter trajectory with speed.and the 22 mag keeps more energy. I have found that the 20gr 17HMR is a better round out of my Savage bolt action, heavy barrel. Thanks for the cool video. Always enjoy them.
Glad you did this comparison between 17hmr and 22 wmr I was looking for next rifle guess I gonna go with 22wmr just because of price ammo cheaper than the 17hmr
I own, and shoot, both 22 Mag and the 17.... When using both with V-Max type bullets, at practical ranges, in my experience, the .22 Mag wins hands down... Bigger hole going in.....MUCH bigger hole going out....Your results may vary.....but I DOUBT IT....
.22 mag for punch .17 for the long range accuracy .22 for the all around economic bullet .22 mag for this win on this test but , all those calibers are great calibers .
Thanks for an interesting and informative video. The .22 magnum in 40 grain plastic nose hollow point is a very nasty rimfire cartridge from a carbine or rifle. It is much underrated.
Interesting video, I’ve always been impressed with the 22 mag cartridge, there great in a rifle, but especially in my colt peacemaker, in the evening it shoots a foot and a half long flame out the barrel pretty cool feels quite powerful as well. I purchased a marlin 917 a few years ago, I didn’t expect much, because of the small bullet, but it is very impressive, some .17 shells get up into the low 3000 fps range, when you hear that .17 round go off you know it’s fast.
Great video! Showing my age. I used phone books back in the day. Love all the data. Always wondered more about the shot besides shooting through paper.
@Logan-py8we not true. Ammoseek website always has it. I have a healthy supply I can locate from suppliers around the country. You have to willing to look further/try harder than the local gun shop.
2648 fps is more than double 1252fps so yes MORE than twice as fast. People try to be negative about anything and can't even do basic math before they comment.
I have the heavy barrel Marlin bolt rifle bolt rifle and the Taurus revolver in .17HMR. Absolutely love how they shoot, but they are a pain to clean. The revolver gets clogged up with powder residue, due to the shorter barrel. You also have to be very careful with the smaller diameter bores when cleaning.
I think that your test showed that a guy really needs one of each. It's good to see that we can still have summer picnics cuz you're not shooting up our paper plates anymore.
12ga and 22lr were the main guns people owned when I was a kid. I was the "fancy" gun owner with my .22 mag. We called in the "big guns" with my uncles Rem .270 !Nothing in TX couldn't be dropped with those rifles.
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Always had a soft spot for thw 22 Mag. Can't shake it
This has been a good demonstration for why we need to use the barrel length, the bullet weight and the bullet speed to calculate the foot lbs. of force from a cartridge.
For the price, why not just go 5.56 military surplus ammo?
Same. Especially with a hornady vmax
Idk why I have the same feeling man, can relate 100%
Yep, same here. Got a rifle and a Smith model 48. Great stuff.
Awesome video! I myself am a 17HMR guy and have a good buddy who shoots 22mag and we find them very comparable in most real world applications.
No they are not comparable, the 22 mag will never shoot with a 17 HMR
@@MrCobb-rq8ivSure it will, just add a 5 mph cross wind. Both have their uses, when times got tight during the ammo shortage, could always find 17 HMR, have put a bunch through my Savage.
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Would be interested in what the 5mm mag rimfire would do
@@MrCobb-rq8iv
check the ballistic table or ask a hunter. 22WMR is more versatile round and has more bullet weight options.
comparing the hornady 17gr vs the
Remington 33gr accutip,
at no point is the energy of the hornady even close to the Remington.
energy at the muzzle
hornady 245 ft pounds
remington 293 ft pounds
at 150 yards
hornady 99 ft pounds
Remington 122 ft pounds
at 150 yards the bullet drop is an extra 2 inches on the 22wmr
if you learn how to shoot instead of shoot off your mouth you might be surprised
Great fun, I also have a 17, an LR and my new Savage 22 mag. They are all so much fun at the range, loved to to see the underestimated power of these three rounds going through Stainless.Enjoying the videos from British Columbia Canada
Growing up in the hills of the Appalachian mountains, a 12 gauge and .22lr were the only two long guns needed. Oh, and did I mention that everywhere had those two for sale?
To hillbillies everything else is just a "niche" round. 😆
Yep, Country boys learn young that you can take a heck of a lot more food home with a little bullet placed properly than with a big bullet placed poorly.
Hell yeah!! Appalachian and Allegheny Mountain raised!! Hunted with both ,a Marlin 22WMR bolt action,and a 12 gauge Remington 870. (Had a Marlin 36 30-30 in the gun rack) For what we hunted that's all the gun we ever needed
I agree but now you get a combo gun. 30-60/12 gauge for deer/quail or the ultimate squirrel gun 22 mag/410 over unders. Yrs ago you could get a "drilling" but their not made anymore and stupid expensive. Side by side shotgun with a rifle between/top of the shotgun. Now. If you can find one? 10-15 thou $$ is on the cheap side.
@kennethlocke4213 I had one of those 30 plus years ago. Didn't know what I had then 😞 .22lr on top .410 on bottom. Can't remember who it was made by as I got it in a trade for a 70s Buick Centurion. $45, a.22lr, and the over under. That was just before I left for the Army in 85. Not sure where it is now.
Nostalgia took over and bought me a Pardner .410 3inch last year. I bought a 9mm sleeve for it due to hard to find slugs and my grandson (14) loves shooting it 🙂. Not to much longer it'll be his 😊. Hope he hangs on to it better than me.
@@kennethlocke4213 do you remember who mfg the 22/410?
.22LR subsonic is my all time favourite. Not as deadly as the others, but still deadly on small game and almost silent when suppressed. For everything else, there is centrefire.
Seems you can put a Lamb's Nipple on the barrel
22 60 grain aguila is my favorite pistol and rifle round for 22
And feeding it is very cheap . $60 Canadian for 500 brick of 22 lr
22 MAG has always been a favorite of mine. First rifle I bought at 7 years old was a 22 MAG and let me tell you what. I still have it to this day. People jaw drop when they see me shooting iron sights at 200 yards with quarter size groups.
22mag is my favorite since as young age, love the round
200 yds... Sorry. NOPE
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Smoking crack🤣 bro you need to go shoot at the Olympics if you can shoot like that
He must have meant 200 feet, which is roughly 66 yards. Otherwise, complete BS.
Truly a really fun video. 22 mag for shorter distances. 17 for longer. Bit flatter trajectory.
I know when I was a kid I seen my dad shoot a red fox at about 100 yards with a 22 magnum and it took its lower jaw off and I know this because I seen it first hand, i have never shot a 17 hmr so i will not knock that round at all.
I'd agree. However if I was in the field and I'd only be carrying one it'd be the .17 HMR due to that flatter trejectory and ability to reach further out and touch the varmits. The only downside IMHO is if you've got a bit of wind the mass of the 22 mag would have less drift. The compromise would be to have one with swapable barrels, however that would not be ideal to do in the field.
Exactly spot on.
@@PaulAtreidesMuadDib Agree 100%. The .17 will be affected more by crosswind.
17 HMR does have a flatter trajectory way past 100 yards but it loses energy must faster than the 22 mag. If your shooting rabbits it won't matter. If your shooting tougher game like Coyotes it will.
Even the lowly 22 short will kill. I set up a similar test to yours with white pine 2x4's (nominal) with .22 short, .22Long Rifle, and .22 mag out of a North American Arms revolver (short barrel) and the short protruded just out of the first board and the 22 LR and .22 Mag were about the same through 4 boards. A brain or heart shot with any of these and "game over". Thanks for the test !
@@LeaverAction Also as quiet as a pellet gun.🤔
100 % correct ! I use 22 subsonic for deer control. They are quiet......and accurate ! No need to " kill " shoot not to kill.......they go off.......never to be seen again ! Accurate out to 150 yards ! They do the job !
I sold off my Ruger 77/17 years ago but was impressed with the damage that 17HMR did at the level of noise that it produced.
They are surprisingly loud for sure.
They have a higher pitch ( and louder) then the .22 mag
I have always been a 22 WMR fan. Thank you for the comparison!
I do not think the plates are 3mm..
Excellent Comparison of the 3 Calibers Adam 👍. Thanks for the Video 👌. Cheers 🍻🙏🍁.
Most excellent comparison demonstration. All three rounds have definitive uses. .22lr = targets 25# or less @ 100m. 22mag = targets 100# or less @ 100m. .17mag = targets 75# or less @ 200m.
Just a basic rule of thumb...
Just for bullet weight and speed combo, ill take 22 mag all day long. Nice vid.
It started with the Automag II for me and now I'm using the PMR 30 for my EDC.
Got em both, hate the mag, 17 HMR all day long, or night.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv your choice, mag doesnt break up as much, speed and bullet weight combo always wins for my needs. enjoy
@@MrCobb-rq8iv Haven't had a chance to play with 17 HMR yet so can't say - what's wrong with WMR that you HATE it versus simply preferring HMR?
but if you hit a rabbit or pigeon they'll be smashed.
I often wondered which was more powerful so now we have a pretty good idea, Thanks to you! And stainless is very tough! Ruining a few drill bits in my day drilling the stuff. Of course I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of any of those rounds! Kind Thanks and Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Stainless is hard on drill bits but as far as steel is concerned, it is relatively soft
Great video. The next time I would like to see the 17 HMR switched out to the 17 WSM. Thanks again.
Love my 17 WSM. Nasty little round
@@UserFormelyKnownAs_hjkhisn't that a centerfire cartridge? I'm not familiar with it.
@@patrickgriffitt6551 its a rimfire cartridge adapted from a .27 cal nail gun cartridge using 15, 20 or 25 gr .17 projectiles. It is currently the fastest rimfire in the world and the trajectory is absolutely amazing on it!
Yes me too…. ! ✨🇫🇷✨🫡
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Love to see a video featuring the ballistics of that round.
In the case of the cal.17, hollow-point type ammunition should not have been used, because when it hits a hard surface, it ensures the smallest possible penetration in addition to releasing all its kinetic energy to the surface! For punching through stainless steel sheets, not an optimal projectile type! Compared to the other projectiles in this test, the cal. 17, started at a disadvantage! Nevertheless, it ranks well because the impact surface of the 17 caliber is ~33% smaller than that of the 22.
everybody loves a "how many does it go through" video of any calibre!
The 22 mag was at a slight disadvantage because it was just above the plate support which would cause a little more flex and absorb some of the shock. I believe if the shot were as low as the first two the mag would have made it through the fifth plate.
I agree if the shot placement of the 22mag was lower it would have gone through 5
Should have simply inverted the plates before shooting the 22 Mag.
@@glennrishton5679 Or new plates, nothing about this test was correct, pure BS.
I think that the 17 did the best. It basically matched the result of the 22 mag at half the weight. I do see the point of the place even with that. Half the weight.
I agree. The flex in the center of the plates ate up more of the punch.
Hi Larry here I have them both, my personal belief is that little 17 HMR is a wicked round, have used it a lot, KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDEOS I LOVE WATCHING THEM
My experience, 17 is the pool for small critters, long range! It just doesn't seem to have enough penetration for raccoons or larger animals.
I was always a 22LR and Mag fan from the time I was a kid learning to shoot. From squirrel to rabbit, it was my go-to. A few years ago, someone asked me to take a look at a a rifle he had "found." It was covered in mud and even had a dirt dauber's nest in the barrel. He also handed me a bag of parts that he removed and didn't know where they went. It was so nasty that you couldn't even tell what caliber it was unless you looked at the breech and saw the size of it. Just removing the dirt, I saw it was a Marlin 917. I spent well over a week cleaning and soaking it to get the rust removed. Then, I had to look up a schematic to see where all those little parts in the bag went to. I picked up a couple magazines for cheap on eBay, some Slick 2000 lube, and a cheap $30-$40 scope. I was unsure of how it would fire, so I actually tied a string to the trigger and stood about 5 feet away. It fired fine, so I aligned and zeroed the scope and it shot like a champ. When it was all finished, with my time and a few parts I had to buy, I told the guy I would have to charge him around $150. He didn't have the money, so he asked me if I'd give him $40 for the rifle and call it even. Of course I did it. Over the years, this has been my go to for longer range small caliber. I've taken out a few beavers that dammed up the lakes I live on, a few coyotes, and just to see if I could, a couple rabbits at 100+ yards. I guess I need to show some love to my 22 rifles before they think I no longer love them!
Dude, you are mine and my boys favorite bull lots feller😂 Got 2 boys and we always put your videos in our top 5 and enjoy. Congrats on having a crap ton of subscribers and staying real brother.
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Rim fire fan here WhoTee so i enjoyed this one a lot ! I love the MacGyver metal sheet stand !!! All three rounds pack a lot more punch than most folks realize !
So true
I think that the 22 mag was compromised by hitting center of plate . Center of plate has more flex give . I think that if you shot the 22mag again near the side of plate it would go thru one more plate
I was thinking the same. But I just like the 22 mag alot more. Great rimfire cartridge
Looks like a lot of people have their own opinion 's,no one has made another video to prove or disprove what was illustrated...... show me
@@paulpetty3331 maybe who tee who will show us
@@neilmoreland5476 probably a neat idea , but as of now 32h&r mag is very hard to find and favor seems to be falling from 327 as I type . In my opinion 327 is a very practical round as interchangeable with 32 long and 32h&r mag.Also 32 calibre bullets are renowned for accuracy. I don’t know what’s going on with ammo manufacturing but many calibers seem to be non existent.I always wanted to see an N Frame 8 shot in 22 hornet
@@randyblackburn9765 Randy ,,Thanks for your response and imput on the 32 cals..I'm aware of the current 32 cal centerfire cartridges which are pretty available here in SW OHIO where I reside. I'm bout 20 miles SW of Dayton Ohio.
What I was really talking about is the 32 cal Rimfire ammo which has been obsolete since the early 1900s. There use to be many different Rimfire calibers available until the centerline rounds started dominating and the 22 cal long rifle rimfire hit the market and it too dominated the market. If my memory serves me right,, 32 and 44 calibers Rimfires date back to use in the Civil War even.
I've shot some 32 cal long, Rimfire in my old Stevens rifle that my Dad had bought and was very impressed with it,,so I'm hoping some manufacturer of both guns and ammo might jump on the bandwagon and bring it back,,,and maybe make a rimfire, Long Rifle and Magnum round also both in rimfire.. I have 3 boxes of 32 caliber rimfire I bought early 2000 that's made in Brazil,,,Last run of 32 cal rimfire that I'm aware of. It was $41.00 a box of 50 then, round 2005.. Guess what it's going for now? Might as well be a box of GOLD now.. Wish I'd bought more,,guy said he had a pallet of it,,buy all I want..Duh,,I bought 3 boxes then.. But I wasn't aware the Brazilian company was shutting down production of their 32 cal rimfire long ammo then either...
WTW, very good and informative video. Thank you!
Everyone should own at least 2, 22lr, a hand gun and a rifle! Cheap ammo, fun to shoot. A friend staying with me had a Ruger lever in 17, Turkey running, fired, at 15 yds. went through a pine trim board on my garage, and still at about 60 yds. hit and killed the turkey. Impressive. But, cleaning that 17 is harder than a 22 cal. Many cleaning kits don't include rod's or tips for 17 cal. Also ammo availability and cost. As I stated before, 22 lr first, 2nd of the three, 22mag. Ammo in my area is more available than 17. I like to stick with ammo that has passed the test of time. I don't hear much about the Ruger 204 today, will the 17 or the 5.7 stick around? Performance wise, GREAT calibers! I will stick with my Ruger 10/22 for squirrels and wood chucks up to ?75 + yds. After that distance I pull out my Grandfather's Rem. 722 in 222 cal. Yes more recoil and retort, but I reload the ammo. myself with much less cost than cost than 17 or 22mag.
OK guys and gals, above, I mentioned ammo passing the test of time, I digress, the 222 has rightly been replaced by the 556/223. I also own the following firearms I have inherited in calibers which have passed the test of time, but their time has unfortunately passed! A Sav. 99 in 358 cal. Win. 53 in 44-40, a nd a Win. 1895 in 405 cal. I have purchased reloading components for all to allow their legacy to continue!
But I would love to be able to afford to own all of the three cal. of this video! ! Can't have too many guns right?
Interesting test. I like the .22 Mag myself. New sub here from Australia
I still like the 17 HMR because it has an edge on accuracy over the 22 Mag. For another test try the 20gr FMJ in the 17 HMR vs the 40 FMJ in the 22 Mag and lets see how they compare
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I would love to see same caliber different boo-lots, same plates. Just to see!!
Agreed.
They don't or ever won't compare, this XXXX tried to skew the test by shooting a hollow-point 17 against a FMJ, nice try but I call BullWinkle.
@@MrCobb-rq8iv 17 and 22mag were both JHP.
Thanks buddy ! You always seem to root out the answers to the average man’s curiosity. !!!!!!
I would say 22LR because you can get them anywhere. Great video.
Penetration was very close. But the way the .17 broke up would cause much more damage to tissue.
More little bits to pick out of your meat.
It was also a hollow point that was designed to break up. It is my assumption that if they all three had jacketed solid lead bullets the .17HMR would have gone through more plates.
Which would be better for pest control, but not so much for small game hunting.
But it hit a metal plate not flesh so you can't really tell.
That was stainless, tissue is worlds different. 22 MAG comes in hollow point.
Maxi-Mag hp+V 22 WMR 30 Grain are awesome performers in 22 mag , that’s all I use
I’m with you my friend 👍 that’s my #1 coyote round out to 150 yards.🤠
Don't forget hornady 45 gr critical defense, goes into 8" ballistic gel!!
.22 mag is my go to but all of my small game shots are under 100 yards. Anything past that I would definitely go with the .17. Great video!
Great video. The 17hmr is one of my favourite rimfire calibers.
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@@billrowan1957 He is. And stop calling him Shirley!
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I bought a .17 HMR for the ballistics.
It shoots a lot flatter than the .22mag. If you are dealing with pests in an area with clear view out to 400 feet the .17 does not require you to make adjustment whether that gopher is at 50 feet or 400. I can aim the scope straight at the center.
I shoot a fair amount of .22LR out of either a Ruger 1022, or an M&P 1522. Love both. Great on small game and pests. But for range, accuracy and flat trajectory, you would be hard pressed to beat the .17HMR. I love my CZ and it has been an incredibly accurate and long reaching little rifle. I have never shot a .22WMR, so have no personal experience, but looking at your results, it seems clear it has excellent stopping power, but possibly at the cost of quite a drop off in trajectory at anything much over 75 to 100 yards. My .17 has been amazing out to 200 yards on occasion and my longest measured rabbit, was out at a ridiculous 275 yards one very still summer evening. A small hold over did the trick and the devastation from that wonderful little round was 'convincing'!
Fun video here; thanks for the effort in making it.😊
I guessed the 17 hmr which is one of my favorites. Would like to see a 17 mach2 which is awesome. Great video, thanks for showing us!!
22mag here. I missed the 50grain game shock These were great on sml hog, coyotes, and NA River Otters. Hard to find. these but they do travel slower but the penetration is great.
Ammo seek will find it for you.
The .22 mag wins hands down. Not only did it give more damage at the final plate it also gave a larger hole from begining to end. The .22mag is a very under rated cartridge in times past would be the only caliber rifle a household would have due to its versatility. Small game, predators, deer and even used for a slaughter gun for livestock. If anything more was needed the household usually had a shotgun of some type.
Another .22 cal. I would like to see you spend some time on is the .22 hornet. Many backwoodsmen here in my area loved this caliber as a go to for everything. Nowdays its kinda considered a novelty caliber but i still believe it hard to beat in the predator hunting game. Unbelievably Its also legal for deer in my home state.
22 mag. is a very well designed cartridge. It put several small centerfire rounds out of the varmint business. such as the 25-20 and 32-20 because the ammo and rifles are cheaper but still get the job done at short ranges.
Most people don't need or want .22 mag. Return on cost isn't good.
The 22 hornet is an old cartridge, I think it dates back to the 1880's also it's a center fire so it would out perform just about any rimfire. For being an old round it's very expensive. I knew a rancher in Oregon who like it, he said is good flat shooting round up to 200 yards, used mainly for coyotes, small game and non-game varmints on his land. Always kept the rifle in his ranch truck.
@@michaelmurphy6869 - that is the problem with the Hornet - cost and availability. That's why the 22 mag. put the small varmint centerfires out if business. Ammo and rifles are cheap, and it is good up to 150 yards for varmints which is plenty for most farmers, hunters, etc. Compare the cost of a 22 mag. rifle to a 22 Hornet, no contest.
17 takes it. It was only 17grains and did the same as the mag lol. I bet the 20grain 17 will go threw 5 plates
Not surprised by the outcome. Next time maybe try a 30 or 32gr bullet in 22 mag and and a 25 gr in 17. Closer weights. Good video Mr., thank you.
I’ve shot several groundhogs at 165 and 135 yards with my Savage 17 HMR with bull barrel. On the other hand I like my Savage 22 mag for fox and coyote at closer rages or when breezy conditions. Both are good tools for the right job. Thanks, I enjoyed your comparison!
The live chat disappeared. Thank you for this video. I want a 17 or A 22 mag, so this will help me. I appreciate it.
Thanks for watching
I know what the .22 LR is about. But seeing the WMR and the Magnum tie? Wow. Makes you wonder about knock-down power.
That .17 has some “boogie”.
I’d love to see PCC’s or Henry’s shooting pistol rounds and the same test. 9mm, 45ACP, 38 spl, .357 mag, .44 spl, .44 mag, …….whatever you can “round” up. Some of us would love to get a rifle with the same ammo as a pistol. Maybe one rifle round at the end for comparison. Thanks WTW.
This was a test of penetration where a smaller pointed projectile at higher velocity has a distinct advantage. The 22 WMR is much more versatile and with well placed shots can take down a hog or a deer at up to 100yds.
I'll stick with the 17HMR with a 20g fmj. Great video!
Yeah, and not Hollow point 17 hmr like 2 other 22 cal
People always underestimate the 17hmr it’s a devastating little round!
I wasn’t gonna guess cause I had no clue! Lol. I have and hmr and a 17wsm. I like them both. Don’t have a 22 mag yet. Great video! 👍🏻👍🏻
The .17 hmr is my varmit cal . I use all 3 calibers a lot 😊
Me too crazy for rimfire
I thought that the mag moved the entire assembly the most. Though I went back and looked at the 17 and they appeared comparable. I'll bet they both may go through one more plate if the assembly was secured to the table. A lot of energy was lost just moving the assembly.
I'm a 22 mag guy myself.
Great video!
Cool video, I was leaning toward the 17HMR.
I was falling a sleep the first and second times watching this ( not video's fault ).
I had the same thoughts as some of the other commenters.
After I woke up I went back and rewatched a third time ( hope in some way it help with the analytics ).
Saw that both the 17 HMR and the 22 mag were JHP's I've always wondered about 22 mag.
Awesome idea on this comparison was going to suggest FMJ's compared but if memory serves me correctly no one makes a 17 FMJ in fact the 1 shot here is the closest to that....
CCI makes fmj.
I bought the 22 magnum and never looked back
So why didnt you use China plates & 5w30 while standing on your left foot & include a
.375 H&H because I have a Chevy & would like to see a 12 gauge pumpkin ball on a Tuesday but had a
.30-30 & think that this test should've been done in a swimming pool because my cousin can swim if he has spare ammo for his .220 Swift?
ALL seriousness aside: We DO appreciate your time, your expenses incurred, your efforts & your family's understanding! Thank you. Never stop. Never let the naysayers get you down. Never slow down. We love you Brother. We appreciate your hard work. And we appreciate your efforts to keep it real & interesting! Yet another good video man.😉👍
Thanks Who for another great video! Love your down to earth tests! Just a suggestion if possible, why not try small caliber center fire rounds (e.g 17 Remington, 204 Ruger, 220 Swift all those rounds are pushing the 4000fps relm) and shoot from a 100 yards or less at that same target set up. That would cool to see the results and after do the clay tests to make some modern art. Thanks again brother looking forward to the next videos. Keep up the great work!! God bless ya!
Still like your "How many water jugs" the best but the plates are really cool.
I love this! If you get the opportunity, could you do 17 hmr vs 17 wsm tests?
I’m a big fan of the li’l ole .17HMR. Only have 1 gun chambered in/for it though and it’s a Taurus revolver and it’s a 6” barrel and the model 617 I believe it is?
But then I also like the .22 Win Mag. And who doesn’t like the .22LR?!
Great video and demonstration Hoot.
Lets go. Love me sum rimfire showdown
I'm a huge .17HMR fan since we got them here in Australia around late 02 early 03. 17 has worked on every thing I've shot at. It would be interesting to see the damage on the 20gr hollow points from the .17HMR as the 17gr are polimer tip that helps the bullet dump more energy and breaks up.
Love your work big fella
Love your tutorials. this demonstration was well executed and helpful thank you . Keep up the good work.!
Appreciate you watching!
basically the 17 and 22 mag have double the powder charge of the 22lr… and a .223 has double the powder again. i wonder if a 223/556 would of gone through them all…i’m thinking no problem, but…. haha. great video! cheers
The 17 HMR would have won if you use full metal jackets for metal
I picked up a Ruger 10/22M years ago at a pawn shop. Best used firearm purchase I've ever made.
I've never felt outgunned with a 22Mag.
I have been wanting to get a rimfire for a while. I think you talked me into it!
Before you get into rimfire, take a look at the latest modern pellet guns or known as air rifles out nowadays, close to as powerful as a rimfire 22 LR, cheaper to shoot and quiet, it is all that a person needs, with a scope.
Great video. I’m bookmarking it to share. WMR’s “.22” nomenclature belies its power to many. This also is gonna help me when I get into conversations with folks who remain steadfastly against the possibility that softer aircraft aluminum couldn’t damage the steel of the towers on 9/11. Velocity’s tangible effect was illustrated quite aptly in this presentation. Lead is considerably softer than SS.
So entertaining!! Your the best!!
Thanks for watching!
Darn good test! One of the fairest I've seen. (Had my 40 grainer RN Golden Bullets in there👍) I would have to give it to the WMR but just by a nose!
22 mag fmj vs 17 hmr fmj next❤ 😎👍
Nice. Continue with these tests with pistol calibers. Metal sheets are more reliable than paper plates
Great video Hootey. How far was the muzzle from the first plate? It would be interesting to see how the three performed at rimfire ranges at say 50 - 70 yards. Thanks for sharing.
Like 5 yards
Any gunsmith would tell you every shooter who owns the HMR absolutly love the round and many are surprised by how accurate and flat shooting they are
If you use a 17 fmj then it will win. If not then either the 22 or 22 mag will win. If that 22 lr is a round nose fmj then it will go through the most plates
If he used FMJ for 22 Mag and 17 HMR it would be interesting, the 17 was a HP and the 22 Mag was a PSP so both designed to expand.
@@ABSilverback Small correction threre. jhp in 17 hmr is not soft point but fragmenting bullet.
Same as v-max bullets but whitout plastic tip.
In video can see that effect quite clearly when it made two holes in plate number 3.
Overally nice perfomance against 22wmr which weighted two times more while
being normal lead hp bullet.
I think with fmj bullets 17hmr will go deeper because that round is really punching
holes way above its weight class.
Edit: Generally 17hmr 17 grain bullets are fragmenting and 20 grains are either soft points or fmj.
I did a personal test at home using paper plates it was the 22lr then 17hmr then 22mag went through most, I used ballistic tip on both 17hmr n 22mag
I have been comparing 22mag and 17HMR for along time on multiple distances and targets.
Kill power is about the same. I think it is speed vs power in making the bullet expand that equals out the kill power. Accuracy out to 100-110 yards is pretty much the same... after that the 17 continues on a flatter trajectory with speed.and the 22 mag keeps more energy.
I have found that the 20gr 17HMR is a better round out of my Savage bolt action, heavy barrel.
Thanks for the cool video. Always enjoy them.
But what if you had used the 20grain game point solid in 17hmr.
Glad you did this comparison between 17hmr and 22 wmr I was looking for next rifle guess I gonna go with 22wmr just because of price ammo cheaper than the 17hmr
That was a good video! Thanks!
I own, and shoot, both 22 Mag and the 17.... When using both with V-Max type bullets, at practical ranges, in my experience, the .22 Mag wins hands down...
Bigger hole going in.....MUCH bigger hole going out....Your results may vary.....but I DOUBT IT....
.22 mag for punch
.17 for the long range accuracy
.22 for the all around economic bullet
.22 mag for this win on this test but , all those calibers are great calibers .
Thanks for an interesting and informative video.
The .22 magnum in 40 grain plastic nose hollow point is a very nasty rimfire cartridge from a carbine or rifle. It is much underrated.
Thanks for watching
great job! thank you.
I'd like to see these compared to 17. WSM..
From what I've seen, it blows the other three away. No pun intended😅
Loved my Remington 22mag semi auto. Dropped some fallow with it
I’m a rimfire man 👍🏻👍🏻 This test was GREAT !!! Thank you so very much!! All the best from Alabama ✌️
Thanks for watching!
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I guessed the 22 mag would win because I love my Henry 22 Mag lever action and it's actually my favorite rifle
Gotta love rimfire.
.22 mag is my favorite! Great video thank you!
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Great comparison video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.!
Thanks for watching
Interesting video, I’ve always been impressed with the 22 mag cartridge, there great in a rifle, but especially in my colt peacemaker, in the evening it shoots a foot and a half long flame out the barrel pretty cool feels quite powerful as well. I purchased a marlin 917 a few years ago, I didn’t expect much, because of the small bullet, but it is very impressive, some .17 shells get up into the low 3000 fps range, when you hear that .17 round go off you know it’s fast.
Great video!
Showing my age. I used phone books back in the day. Love all the data.
Always wondered more about the shot besides shooting through paper.
good video mate 👍
Thanks for watching!
I wish you had also tested 17WSM, faster than the 17HMR. Thanks for the vid!
@Logan-py8we not true. Ammoseek website always has it. I have a healthy supply I can locate from suppliers around the country. You have to willing to look further/try harder than the local gun shop.
@Logan-py8we easy to find and would have outperformed the others.
Almost twice as fast, not over twice as fast. Love the vids, hooty hoo
Thanks for watching!
2648 fps is more than double 1252fps so yes MORE than twice as fast. People try to be negative about anything and can't even do basic math before they comment.
@@User-gs1dk cute, watch again. Kinda early for Debbie downers.
I have the heavy barrel Marlin bolt rifle bolt rifle and the Taurus revolver in .17HMR. Absolutely love how they shoot, but they are a pain to clean. The revolver gets clogged up with powder residue, due to the shorter barrel. You also have to be very careful with the smaller diameter bores when cleaning.
I'd enjoy seeing a re-match but this time with solid ball/FMJ boolats rather than HPs.
I think that your test showed that a guy really needs one of each. It's good to see that we can still have summer picnics cuz you're not shooting up our paper plates anymore.
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It would be nice to see those same tests at 100 yards and 200 yards. Should be easy with those rifles. Excellent video. Thank you.
Velocity matters. Fragmentation can make wounds much worse if penetration depth is sufficient.
12ga and 22lr were the main guns people owned when I was a kid. I was the "fancy" gun owner with my .22 mag. We called in the "big guns" with my uncles Rem .270 !Nothing in TX couldn't be dropped with those rifles.