I was never a Theist. For some years, when i begun to think about this stuff (15 or 16) i claimed to be Atheist. It didn't stick with me for long and i came to the realization that i was Agnostic. Decades later i started to wonder again and i found Deism, which was much closer to my beliefs. But now i found one even closer, Pandeism (Deism + Pantheism). All in all, i believe in a Creator but i utterly reject religion(s) as a source of moral and/or spiritual authority. Reason alone and observation of the world is sufficient to determine the existence of a God/Creator. I also believe that God = Reality.
I don’t know that much ma’am I just know there’s a boundary up there We should all respect and obey it That’s the voice from our hearts Not our minds Thanks for your sharing 😂God bless
@@kenhoyer8601 Logic is languge. So what drive you to follow "logic"? Because "I follow logic" is the same as "I follow english"... yes you can ( not big deal ) but english is not source of your following. No emotion so... whats left? Because even if you say "will", your will to act I put into "emotion" category. It looks like you should start practicing logical thinking. Analyse your comment, find problem. Writeing comment is not logical thing to do. You just proved that you are driven by emotion ( or will or impulse... whatver you will call it, but its not logic, it cant be logic... logic is just langauge ).
Thank you for this video Dr Sahar Joakim. My reasoning is that "religion" is a human construct. As long as you believe in something paranormal or supernatural, you belong to a religion. As an apologist for Christianity, I prefer not to be called a Christian because of what people do under the mantle of Christianity. If the rumours about the Pope are true, is he a Christian? From your presentation I can argue that I am both a Deist and a Monotheist. However I cannot agree with the idea of non interference. I believe from personal experience that that what we call "coincidence" is God's way of letting us know he is present in our lives. The biggest mistake that so called Christians do is to expect God to be human. Once again thank you for enlightening us. I shall follow your videos in future.
It's because "God made man in his image" is drilled into people's minds. They don't realize that whoever made that statement was referring to our soul. The real us. God wouldn't take an earthly form, why would God ever do that?
The most interesting thing is that I was Deist before knowing what Deism was. I've borne in a Brazilian Catholic family, frequented a protestant Church in my 15's by one year or so .. but I think since my 17's I started to believe in a force that created everything but not all these revealed Gods that mirrors humans feelings and characteristics, because we are only a tiny grain of sand in the all beaches of the world... At the same time, I've always found it difficult to believe the universe just popped up from nothing in the big bang, nothing created it just happened hahaha This maintained this big question in my head by years, but slowly I've developed a belief very, very close to what Deism is... and YEARS later I've read about Deism .. and bingo, it matched everything I believe .. This is crazy. And for me, I think about death as just a passage and return to energy, molecules, atoms .. and in some billion of years when our sun explodes, we'll return to the universe to make part of another stars hahaha .. Crazy I know
Your views are very interesting! On my youtube channel, you will probably find more "...ism" 's that you already agree with (and disagree with) without knowing what the theory is called. :) Keep thinking!
The cause is the developer that developed this virtual reality (Maya). It set up the natural laws that run this universe. It usually does not interfere but reserves the right, as all developers do.
My view is that the universe is fine-tuned for Life. That fine-tuning precludes any interference by the Creator in the physical world. Hence all the suffering. but i believe a relationship in consciousness is possible.
@@briansmith3791Smith Fine tuning is evidence of interference. You are using reverse logic when you say that it precludes interference. Fine-tuning is impossible without interference. So-called suffering is not the creator’s problem. What makes you think that it is? It is just a subjective feeling and wishes. The creator created the rules of the game i.e., natural laws. If you comply you will thrive and win. If not, you will lose or suffer. You have free will and choice. Use it wisely. You are free to jump off the sixth floor. But you will also have to bear the consequences.
@@NavaidSyed Are you speaking of Religious Intelligent Design or Creationism? The Laws and Constants are the fine-tuning and they've been there since the Big Bang. There can be no interference after the Big Bang. And why do you say God is not concerned with our suffering? It may not be able to interfere but that doesn't mean it doesn't care.
@@briansmith3791, you are committing a logical fallacy. Intelligent design is not religious. It is logical and everyone is free to adopt or reject it. But what caused Big Ban? There is little or none, but what and who can stop the Cause from the intervention? Just like everyone else, I have zero clue about God. But logically speaking, I know that there is a Cause. Hence, I have no clue if it is concerned about our suffering or not? Your logic is upside down. The cause can absolutely interfere anytime, anywhere, any way it wants. But there is no evidence of its concern.
@@NavaidSyed We seem to be at cross-purposes here. The fine-tuning argument is this : We have observable evidence for one universe. We have observable evidence for the Physical Constants of Nature. That points to the universe being fine-tuned for Life.
I believe that an entity/energy/force/specific point of existence/god set the laws of physics and by proxy biology etc. trickling all the way down to a form of "return of like energy", or "karma" (used in it's most colloquial form for a lack of better descriptor). Would this, according to your understanding, be deism?
I teach online, but not classes that I compile myself. Feel free to go through this videos on my channel and leave any questions you have- I'll answer what I can. If you have a specific question, feel free to ask!
I'm wondering if the earlier Deists from the 18th and 19th centuries would have viewed it this way. Thomas Paine for example argues the only way to truly know God is by studying creation through science because all revelatory books fail to capture Deity, also often contradicts itself, and is internally inconsistent. Also, could it be said God is still creating, therefore isn't a being who created the Universe and walked away? God, as far as I can tell, doesn't intervene in human affairs, but why take the creative power of the Universe away from the hands of God? Why can't a Deist say God actively creates throuth natural means, and can be at least in part known through the study of the natural world. It's almost like a hybrid of theism and deism to say God is transcendent, and beyond space/time, and doesn't have anything at all to do with the Universe. Deists like Thomas Paine argues God can be know through the study of the natural world and by reasoning, so I can't imagine he thought of God as non-present and inactive.
@@kenhoyer8601 Since *Biblical meaning changes whenever it is quoted,* if you encounter someone bringing a God to you then be assured it will merely be THEIR God of THEIR Bible and nothing more, as they willfully torture the malleable text until the Bible says what they want it to say.
Personally, "some kind of god.." could be viewed as otherness outside of interstellar fabric or domain. Agency for observations and acquisition of datum/data belonging to cosmic deep structure, are signature tenets of deism (and the various lens of deistic individuals). Very good video.
Perhaps I'm not wording this the best but In my opinion is that Deism sort of seems complementary with Taoism in a way because in Taoism The Tao which is sort of ultimate reality and the natural laws which is kind of sort of equated with God but at the same time cannot really fully be explained or totally made sense of however in Taoism the Tao encompasses the natural laws and when it comes to how the Tao works it sort of makes it so that in order to live a good or decent life you've sort of got to act in harmony with the Tao which largely consist of the laws of nature and that of reality and if one choses not act harmoniously with the Tao the laws of nature and of reality then you really shouldn't be counting on any type of being to whom you might pray to help bail you out of any type of situation in which you don't want to be and because of the fact that the Tao is sort of an impersonal energy, force,entity or being without human emotions trying to pray to the Tao and feeling miserable about your situation is not going to persuade the Tao to try to get you out of that situation and in order to get out of the undesirable situation your best bet is to try to submit to the Tao and to try act in harmony with it's laws.According to Taoism the Taos only role is to maintain balance and harmony within the universe and it is not really concerned with any particular persons agenda or affairs.
I agree with you 99.9%. God doesn't interfere with the day to day things. We don't need a rabbi or priest or imam. Use reason and rationality yes. But we need a book, a revelation and a messenger lest we go astray. And that is Islam. Islam is not a religion as we understand it. Like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, zoroatism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. No. Islam is to; one) believe in One God and submitt willingly to His commands. Life heafter. And do good deeds. two. Live peacefully and share resources accordingly no one person or race is better than another. That is deism
What happens if you do not submit to his commands, does god punish you? If so then god is most definitely an interferer and this is not deism. Plus deism requires you to form your own opinions and beliefs based on the facts of life rather than a book that was supposedly written by god.
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🔴 Deism crashes when you realize God is IN everything. Because if God is IN everything, God is more than interferer. God is constantly our life and our actions. If God is not IN everything, God is not All-Present, and how can God be Soveriegn as well. ??? Moreover, who says God doesn't have guides to enlighten others of the truth of His existence? I am not saying you must accept an organized religion. But despite their irrational errors, you must not close your eyes to them either. God has used religions in a good way. I for one pray everyday. And I practice "present awareness," as I know that God is manifested in all things and we must learn to respond accordingly for the glory of God. The good is to bless us and the evil is to test us in this life - to prove if we are faithful to the moral laws until the day we die. After death is the judgement. So I strive always to live that way to please God. Regards ❤🙏🏽
Deists are usually sceptical about "God has used religions", commonly, they think people have used religions to study God. And they don't always believe in "God's ways", proposing that it's either red herring or as seeing thing.
And, another point is that deism isn't the only god belief that rejects religion, because theism was already the god belief without religion. There are plenty of "non-religious theists" who do believe in a personal god that does intervene, and perform miracles. But they are not classified as "deists", either.
@@americanliberal09 - No ... that title is not found in Encyclopedias. They are not call that. 🤔 I am thinking "Natural Theist," but that's not even found.
God has set in motion cause and effect. Every action has a karmic consequence, positive or negative, depending on the beholder. At the same time, God does answer prayers, the problem is most people don’t actually believe their prayers will be answered.
Deism is a nice fit for one of the people who believe everything looks like it's been created, but who also look around and think "Nothing can be in charge of this place now." It's a perfect way of answering the "Problem of Evil" argument for someone who believes a God exists, so far as I can tell. (The problem of Evil argument basically goes that, an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God cannot exist in a universe containing evil. Our universe contains evil, so therefore such a God cannot exist). Not a problem if the God created the universe and left it alone. In my younger days, my idea of God was a very agnostic, imaginative, perpetually-shifting view of God, and sometimes I'd envision God as this gentle alien being watching down upon us in curiosity, not bearing us any ill-will...just confused and curious and wanting to understand its creation - a deist God. I think that's a brand of God I could be quite comfortable with, and like too. I don't think I'd be bothered by the existence of an uncaring God...just kind of our curious neighbor up in the sky. That might even be kind of neat.
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@@iwkaoy8758 I look at it like, the definition of what a "God" is has always been very hazy. I could understand seeing a deist being as not being a god though, in that it's not a sort of parental figure. It's not a controlling figure. But, I think the basic meaning of "God" at minimum, is just "powerful, intelligent being." Actually, for some people (pantheists) it doesn't even have to be intelligent. It could be indistinguishable from the non-intelligent universe and they'd still call it God. Three traits of a traditional God tend to be omnibenevolence (being purely good) omnipotence (being all-powerful) and omniscience (knowing everything). The Problem of Evil argues that if a God is both omniscient and omnipotent, it can't be omnibenevolent in our world, because in our world there is evil, and an omnibenevolent God wouldn't allow that to happen, so it either must not be omniscient or not be omnipotent or not be omnibenevolent. The argument sometimes further goes on to say, "And if a God is not omniscient and omnipotent and omnibenevolent then why call it God?" (So, actually, it sounds like the authors of some versions of that argument would agree with you more than me, regarding your opinion that a deist being is not actually a God).
@@myhopefullyworld-savingphi2691 I fully agree with you on everything that you said, your arguments and perspective on the existence of a deistic God as an alien in observation of the universe are grounded and quite interesting. Deism definitely looks like the most perfect and reasonable belief system, since it is based on reason and actual science, not fairy tales and forged books written by illiterate madmen and charlatans in the desert (Bible, Quran, etc).
That's interesting. If the universe is fine-tuned for Life, as it seems to be, then that fine-tuning precludes any interference by the Creator in the physical universe. 'God' is not disinterested, it just cannot end the suffering on Earth. But i do believe there can be some form of contact with the Creator through consciousness.
So then why pray to God about anything if he doesn't care to get involve in our affairs? If he doesn't "Interfere" then he won't want to resolve our problems.
You don't have to let anyone define deism for you. Think for yourself sheeple! For example: whilst it seems that God has let the universe run its course in many ways, maybe God does and will sometimes intervene with miracles in worldly affairs. Who granted someone authority to decide that Deists don't believe God ever intervenes? This is the problem of dogma found in organised religion!. The individual decides what they believe and don't believe and how they define deism not someone else thinking for them!!!
I agree. We don't have to accept the extreme definition of deism. God sets up the natural order of creation, which includes free will. But it doesn't mean God is distant or uncaring or that God doesn't hold us accountable for our actions. There is a needless divide between the strict definitions of deism and theism. Thank you for the your insights.
Objective truth exists wether we know it or not. Stop by Efdawah, Scdawah, thought adventure podcast, Mohammed Hijab, Subboor Ahmad, Sapience Institute, Hamza's den, one message foundation, Muslim Skeptic, muslim metaphysician, muslim lantern, Abdullah Al Andalusi youtube channels live streams and have friendly fruitful discussions insya Allah.
Funny to me how the deists are so against religion but the world union of deists has done a pretty good job of turning a non religion into a religion. Now you need them to tell you what to believe. No thanks I'll forge my own path. Also interesting how some of rhe first deists were Christian deists following the teaching of Jesus. 🤔 seems completely opposed to today's deism. I'd like to see a history about how their beliefs progressed.
The universe is God. Whatever was, is and will be, is God. Did a separate God create the universe in the first place? I don't know. I do know that we exist as the outcome of evolution and the natural course of events, which is the universe in action. It is also God in action. By the outcome of history and evolution, God (being the universe) created us and everything around us. Just contemplate this thought while looking at the milky way on a dark night. It will do wonders for your thinking.
@@saharjoakima careless God? Why not just call it Energy and follow personal whims and desires? No difference to nihilism. Objective truth exists wether we know it or not. Stop by Hamza's den, Efdawah, Scdawah, thought adventure podcast, Mohammed Hijab, Subboor Ahmad, Sapience Institute, muslim metaphysician, muslim lantern, Abdullah Al Andalusi, muslim Skeptic youtube channels live streams and have friendly fruitful discussions insya Allah.
@@saharjoakim- ❤ But ... that's your views of Deism. What about those Deists that do believe in prayer? Like many of America's Founding fathers. So, you have some Deists that believe God does intervene SOME times. .. Curious to know, what do you call a person who bases his faith in God on reason (no scriptures), prays, and believes God interferes SOME times? What would you call him if he is not Deist to your definition? 🤔
@@mtalk828 this person sounds more like a theist of some kind as opposed to a deist... why would someone pray to a God if they thought God was not listening and willing to intervene on the basis of that prayer?.. thank you for thinking about these important topics!
I believe God is not a creator but an Ideal. God exists as a transcendental concept a known we can study like mathematics. It's like gender, you are supposed to resist it, before you submit to it, as the more you resist the stronger or higher you are, the more unattainable you are. In times of war it is a Patron. What does this make me?
God does interfere with human affairs but only through an abstract level, and according to laws, principles and mechanisms. We decide God's course. God reflects. Like the invisible hand of economics. Like the fact that potatoes are popular but not African mint potatoes.
@@Oysters176Okay, at this point I think you people are just saying things to sound deep philosophically. How can God be a interferer but not a creator? How do those things correlate together? God is just said to be authentic creator of everything no matter what religion with the concept of God you look into. So, how can you say he's not a creator when the only definition and concept of God is the all powerful creator of the everything?
@@RheemQ Because that is a claim, of existence that you cannot literally see with your eyes, that is a claim that you have to make up. God is simply the word we use for unforeseen ripples. He is not a literal entity, but an entity interposed. He is the word we use to try to more easily make sense of the insensible, which we can only have limited information about. Economics, War, Love, Politics, Culture, this is what I mean by God is an interferer and not a creator.
"Lady you need to read the bible my God is active in this world" *Christians have been dividing themselves since the Apostles.* With over 43,000 confusing, dissociated and non-aligned denominations scattered worldwide, *you are not the Christian you like to think you are.* You're not the only Christ-follower in the world, and neither are you the most committed. Too, your way of allegedly loving Jesus is neither the only way *nor for the best* and if you don't know that, YOUR Christian world is way too small. And now that brings us to- “how do you factually KNOW you are following the true Christ?” You may claim the Bible as your belief source, well then which “correct” Bible- the Slave Bible, the Catholic Bible, the Protestant Bible, the Hebrew Bible, the Mormon Bible, the Jehovah's Witness Bible, The Geneva Bible, the Gideon’s bible, the Ethiopian bible, or how about The Bishop's Bible from 1568? *Of course you still won't know the true motives of those anonymous authors,* their agenda, their access to the knowledge they 'claim' to have or their state of mental health. And so, if you can figure all that out first, *now your credibility problems have only just begun* since you must also PROVE to one and all your Bible choice is *the one that Jesus Himself would embrace, thereby damning all the others.* "Remember even Satan can quote any bible’s chapter and verse...."
hello Sahar I really suggest you refrain from using a pronoun since the God of deist is genderless, formless and nameless. It's basically unknown...that's why religion got created in the first place, men feared the unknown.
You got "atheism" wrong. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a *lack of belief* in gods.
@@saharjoakim An agnostic is a person who believes that nothing is *known or can be known* of the existence or nature of God. (There has been no good evidence that I know of). It has more to do with what we can know than what we believe. Seems as though people often believe in things that they don't really know by way of good evidence. Wikipedia says: Agnosticism is the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3] Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."[2]
@@TheToscanaManThanks for clarifying your view! I stick to my own understanding. Atheism and agnosticism are both "lacking belief in god/gods" but atheism is a stronger view, one that does, indeed, reject god/gods. If someone denies god/gods, they DO have a belief about supernatural things (and, their belief is that there is no such thing)
@TheToscanaMan Yeah, and she just said that you don't believe in any kind of God or God's supposedly. I say that because every time I go to videos to do with metaphysical ideologies or just plain ideologies in general supposed as people's beliefs about supernatural things I see atheists on there. It makes me wonder if you people are just putting on a front at this point about not believing.
If that’s the only think you can come up with when it comes to Deism then guess who has the problem, like being a Christian or a Muslim explains a lot lol
Science provides an explanation. We have observable evidence for only one universe. We have observable evidence for the fundamental Physical Constants. This looks very much like a universe fine-tuned for Life. A Creator cannot intervene in the physical universe due to the fine-tuning.
Deism is the most logical religion
It’s surely the easy way out. But reality is more complicated than that.
Deism by itself is not really a religion. It's just a personal viewpoint on god's existence. That's it.
@@yesnomaybeso5755quite the opposite. Having someone else tell you what to think is the easier path.
@@jimmyw7530 Our parents & teachers tell us what to think to we are able to think for our selves
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I thank you for the video. I just had a conversation with my old commander about our forefathers and the constitution, and he sent me on this trek.
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I was never a Theist. For some years, when i begun to think about this stuff (15 or 16) i claimed to be Atheist.
It didn't stick with me for long and i came to the realization that i was Agnostic.
Decades later i started to wonder again and i found Deism, which was much closer to my beliefs.
But now i found one even closer, Pandeism (Deism + Pantheism).
All in all, i believe in a Creator but i utterly reject religion(s) as a source of moral and/or spiritual authority. Reason alone and observation of the world is sufficient to determine the existence of a God/Creator.
I also believe that God = Reality.
I don’t know that much ma’am
I just know there’s a boundary up there
We should all respect and obey it
That’s the voice from our hearts
Not our minds
Thanks for your sharing
😂God bless
Anyone that follows their heart instead of logic is lost in emotion .
@@kenhoyer8601 Your following logic is dictated by emotions.
@@KruK666PLNot if I can help it.
@@kenhoyer8601 Logic is languge. So what drive you to follow "logic"?
Because "I follow logic" is the same as "I follow english"... yes you can ( not big deal ) but english is not source of your following.
No emotion so... whats left? Because even if you say "will", your will to act I put into "emotion" category.
It looks like you should start practicing logical thinking. Analyse your comment, find problem.
Writeing comment is not logical thing to do. You just proved that you are driven by emotion ( or will or impulse... whatver you will call it, but its not logic, it cant be logic... logic is just langauge ).
@@KruK666PL 2x2 will always equal 4.
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Thank you for this video Dr Sahar Joakim.
My reasoning is that "religion" is a human construct. As long as you believe in something paranormal or supernatural, you belong to a religion. As an apologist for Christianity, I prefer not to be called a Christian because of what people do under the mantle of Christianity. If the rumours about the Pope are true, is he a Christian?
From your presentation I can argue that I am both a Deist and a Monotheist. However I cannot agree with the idea of non interference. I believe from personal experience that that what we call "coincidence" is God's way of letting us know he is present in our lives.
The biggest mistake that so called Christians do is to expect God to be human.
Once again thank you for enlightening us. I shall follow your videos in future.
It's because "God made man in his image" is drilled into people's minds. They don't realize that whoever made that statement was referring to our soul. The real us. God wouldn't take an earthly form, why would God ever do that?
The most interesting thing is that I was Deist before knowing what Deism was.
I've borne in a Brazilian Catholic family, frequented a protestant Church in my 15's by one year or so .. but I think since my 17's I started to believe in a force that created everything but not all these revealed Gods that mirrors humans feelings and characteristics, because we are only a tiny grain of sand in the all beaches of the world... At the same time, I've always found it difficult to believe the universe just popped up from nothing in the big bang, nothing created it just happened hahaha
This maintained this big question in my head by years, but slowly I've developed a belief very, very close to what Deism is... and YEARS later I've read about Deism .. and bingo, it matched everything I believe .. This is crazy.
And for me, I think about death as just a passage and return to energy, molecules, atoms .. and in some billion of years when our sun explodes, we'll return to the universe to make part of another stars hahaha .. Crazy I know
Your views are very interesting! On my youtube channel, you will probably find more "...ism" 's that you already agree with (and disagree with) without knowing what the theory is called. :) Keep thinking!
Good exclamation of Deism.
Yep this is literally the one that makes the most sense it’s why most prayers don’t work and why so many bad things happen to every religion
The cause is the developer that developed this virtual reality (Maya). It set up the natural laws that run this universe. It usually does not interfere but reserves the right, as all developers do.
My view is that the universe is fine-tuned for Life. That fine-tuning precludes any interference by the Creator in the physical world.
Hence all the suffering. but i believe a relationship in consciousness is possible.
@@briansmith3791Smith Fine tuning is evidence of interference. You are using reverse logic when you say that it precludes interference. Fine-tuning is impossible without interference. So-called suffering is not the creator’s problem. What makes you think that it is? It is just a subjective feeling and wishes. The creator created the rules of the game i.e., natural laws. If you comply you will thrive and win. If not, you will lose or suffer. You have free will and choice. Use it wisely. You are free to jump off the sixth floor. But you will also have to bear the consequences.
@@NavaidSyed Are you speaking of Religious Intelligent Design or Creationism? The Laws and Constants are the fine-tuning and they've been there since the Big Bang. There can be no interference after the Big Bang. And why do you say God is not concerned with our suffering? It may not be able to interfere but that doesn't mean it doesn't care.
@@briansmith3791, you are committing a logical fallacy. Intelligent design is not religious. It is logical and everyone is free to adopt or reject it. But what caused Big Ban? There is little or none, but what and who can stop the Cause from the intervention? Just like everyone else, I have zero clue about God. But logically speaking, I know that there is a Cause. Hence, I have no clue if it is concerned about our suffering or not? Your logic is upside down. The cause can absolutely interfere anytime, anywhere, any way it wants. But there is no evidence of its concern.
@@NavaidSyed We seem to be at cross-purposes here.
The fine-tuning argument is this : We have observable evidence for one universe. We have observable evidence for the Physical Constants of Nature.
That points to the universe being fine-tuned for Life.
I believe that an entity/energy/force/specific point of existence/god set the laws of physics and by proxy biology etc. trickling all the way down to a form of "return of like energy", or "karma" (used in it's most colloquial form for a lack of better descriptor). Would this, according to your understanding, be deism?
I think what you are describing is not deism. Look more into karma, and look into animism!
A little late, but I have a question: Does deism preclude gnosis?
No, it just that there is a god, and god has better things to do than save your sorry ass.
Nicely summed up. But let's not forget about agnostics who are still thinking about it.
Where do you teach? Are your classes available online?
I teach online, but not classes that I compile myself. Feel free to go through this videos on my channel and leave any questions you have- I'll answer what I can. If you have a specific question, feel free to ask!
Where can I find deist men's jewerly?
At every jewelry store. Everywhere
I'm wondering if the earlier Deists from the 18th and 19th centuries would have viewed it this way. Thomas Paine for example argues the only way to truly know God is by studying creation through science because all revelatory books fail to capture Deity, also often contradicts itself, and is internally inconsistent.
Also, could it be said God is still creating, therefore isn't a being who created the Universe and walked away? God, as far as I can tell, doesn't intervene in human affairs, but why take the creative power of the Universe away from the hands of God? Why can't a Deist say God actively creates throuth natural means, and can be at least in part known through the study of the natural world. It's almost like a hybrid of theism and deism to say God is transcendent, and beyond space/time, and doesn't have anything at all to do with the Universe. Deists like Thomas Paine argues God can be know through the study of the natural world and by reasoning, so I can't imagine he thought of God as non-present and inactive.
I would think he also believed in prayer. That God intervenes SOME times. ...
But that would be like "Natural Theism" if there is ever a word for it 🤔
I think Paine's main point was that don't believe in the hearsay of others revelations. You can study what others say but beware of absolutes .
@@kenhoyer8601
Since *Biblical meaning changes whenever it is quoted,* if you encounter someone bringing a God to you then be assured it will merely be THEIR God of THEIR Bible and nothing more, as they willfully torture the malleable text until the Bible says what they want it to say.
Personally, "some kind of god.." could be viewed as otherness outside of interstellar fabric or domain. Agency for observations and acquisition of datum/data belonging to cosmic deep structure, are signature tenets of deism (and the various lens of deistic individuals). Very good video.
Perhaps I'm not wording this the best but In my opinion is that Deism sort of seems complementary with Taoism in a way because in Taoism The Tao which is sort of ultimate reality and the natural laws which is kind of sort of equated with God but at the same time cannot really fully be explained or totally made sense of however in Taoism the Tao encompasses the natural laws and when it comes to how the Tao works it sort of makes it so that in order to live a good or decent life you've sort of got to act in harmony with the Tao which largely consist of the laws of nature and that of reality and if one choses not act harmoniously with the Tao the laws of nature and of reality then you really shouldn't be counting on any type of being to whom you might pray to help bail you out of any type of situation in which you don't want to be and because of the fact that the Tao is sort of an impersonal energy, force,entity or being without human emotions trying to pray to the Tao and feeling miserable about your situation is not going to persuade the Tao to try to get you out of that situation and in order to get out of the undesirable situation your best bet is to try to submit to the Tao and to try act in harmony with it's laws.According to Taoism the Taos only role is to maintain balance and harmony within the universe and it is not really concerned with any particular persons agenda or affairs.
This is a nice theory!
History books snd current events clearly show he had no intervention in events when he supposedly could have given his "omni" superlatives.
I agree with you 99.9%.
God doesn't interfere with the day to day things. We don't need a rabbi or priest or imam. Use reason and rationality yes. But we need a book, a revelation and a messenger lest we go astray.
And that is Islam. Islam is not a religion as we understand it. Like Judaism, Christianity, Islam, zoroatism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. No. Islam is to; one) believe in One God and submitt willingly to His commands. Life heafter. And do good deeds. two. Live peacefully and share resources accordingly no one person or race is better than another.
That is deism
What happens if you do not submit to his commands, does god punish you? If so then god is most definitely an interferer and this is not deism. Plus deism requires you to form your own opinions and beliefs based on the facts of life rather than a book that was supposedly written by god.
What belief do you ascribe to Doctor Sahar Joakim?
Hi, I try to use this channel for distributing ideas in general (rather than my personal beliefs). You can find some of MY views on my personal website www.saharjoakim.net/
@@saharjoakim Fair enough, I can respect that
🔴 Deism crashes when you realize God is IN everything. Because if God is IN everything, God is more than interferer. God is constantly our life and our actions. If God is not IN everything, God is not All-Present, and how can God be Soveriegn as well. ??? Moreover, who says God doesn't have guides to enlighten others of the truth of His existence? I am not saying you must accept an organized religion. But despite their irrational errors, you must not close your eyes to them either. God has used religions in a good way.
I for one pray everyday. And I practice "present awareness," as I know that God is manifested in all things and we must learn to respond accordingly for the glory of God. The good is to bless us and the evil is to test us in this life - to prove if we are faithful to the moral laws until the day we die. After death is the judgement. So I strive always to live that way to please God.
Regards ❤🙏🏽
Deists are usually sceptical about "God has used religions", commonly, they think people have used religions to study God. And they don't always believe in "God's ways", proposing that it's either red herring or as seeing thing.
And, another point is that deism isn't the only god belief that rejects religion, because theism was already the god belief without religion.
There are plenty of "non-religious theists" who do believe in a personal god that does intervene, and perform miracles. But they are not classified as "deists", either.
So what do you call them? Nobody seems to have an answer.
@@mtalk828 Non-religious theists. 😏
@@americanliberal09 - No ... that title is not found in Encyclopedias. They are not call that. 🤔 I am thinking "Natural Theist," but that's not even found.
@@mtalk828 But are you talking about the people who believe in god without religion, right?
@@mtalk828 Hello?
Deism by itself is not really a religion. It's just a personal point of view on god's existence. That's it.
And, the same goes for theism as well.
You are right: Deism by itself is not a religion. Deism is a way to describe someone's religion (if their thoughts meet the qualification)
God has set in motion cause and effect. Every action has a karmic consequence, positive or negative, depending on the beholder. At the same time, God does answer prayers, the problem is most people don’t actually believe their prayers will be answered.
Deism is a nice fit for one of the people who believe everything looks like it's been created, but who also look around and think "Nothing can be in charge of this place now."
It's a perfect way of answering the "Problem of Evil" argument for someone who believes a God exists, so far as I can tell. (The problem of Evil argument basically goes that, an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God cannot exist in a universe containing evil. Our universe contains evil, so therefore such a God cannot exist).
Not a problem if the God created the universe and left it alone.
In my younger days, my idea of God was a very agnostic, imaginative, perpetually-shifting view of God, and sometimes I'd envision God as this gentle alien being watching down upon us in curiosity, not bearing us any ill-will...just confused and curious and wanting to understand its creation - a deist God. I think that's a brand of God I could be quite comfortable with, and like too. I don't think I'd be bothered by the existence of an uncaring God...just kind of our curious neighbor up in the sky. That might even be kind of neat.
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I look at it like, the definition of what a "God" is has always been very hazy. I could understand seeing a deist being as not being a god though, in that it's not a sort of parental figure. It's not a controlling figure.
But, I think the basic meaning of "God" at minimum, is just "powerful, intelligent being." Actually, for some people (pantheists) it doesn't even have to be intelligent. It could be indistinguishable from the non-intelligent universe and they'd still call it God.
Three traits of a traditional God tend to be omnibenevolence (being purely good) omnipotence (being all-powerful) and omniscience (knowing everything). The Problem of Evil argues that if a God is both omniscient and omnipotent, it can't be omnibenevolent in our world, because in our world there is evil, and an omnibenevolent God wouldn't allow that to happen, so it either must not be omniscient or not be omnipotent or not be omnibenevolent. The argument sometimes further goes on to say, "And if a God is not omniscient and omnipotent and omnibenevolent then why call it God?"
(So, actually, it sounds like the authors of some versions of that argument would agree with you more than me, regarding your opinion that a deist being is not actually a God).
@@myhopefullyworld-savingphi2691 I fully agree with you on everything that you said, your arguments and perspective on the existence of a deistic God as an alien in observation of the universe are grounded and quite interesting.
Deism definitely looks like the most perfect and reasonable belief system, since it is based on reason and actual science, not fairy tales and forged books written by illiterate madmen and charlatans in the desert (Bible, Quran, etc).
That's interesting. If the universe is fine-tuned for Life, as it seems to be, then that fine-tuning precludes any interference by the Creator in the physical universe. 'God' is not disinterested, it just cannot end the suffering on Earth. But i do believe there can be some form of contact with the Creator through consciousness.
So then why pray to God about anything if he doesn't care to get involve in our affairs? If he doesn't "Interfere" then he won't want to resolve our problems.
correct: if God is not listening or interfering, then there is no point to praying.
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Whatever you think about the most, that's your god.
You don't have to let anyone define deism for you. Think for yourself sheeple! For example: whilst it seems that God has let the universe run its course in many ways, maybe God does and will sometimes intervene with miracles in worldly affairs. Who granted someone authority to decide that Deists don't believe God ever intervenes? This is the problem of dogma found in organised religion!. The individual decides what they believe and don't believe and how they define deism not someone else thinking for them!!!
I agree. We don't have to accept the extreme definition of deism. God sets up the natural order of creation, which includes free will. But it doesn't mean God is distant or uncaring or that God doesn't hold us accountable for our actions. There is a needless divide between the strict definitions of deism and theism. Thank you for the your insights.
Objective truth exists wether we know it or not. Stop by Efdawah, Scdawah, thought adventure podcast, Mohammed Hijab, Subboor Ahmad, Sapience Institute, Hamza's den, one message foundation, Muslim Skeptic, muslim metaphysician, muslim lantern, Abdullah Al Andalusi youtube channels live streams and have friendly fruitful discussions insya Allah.
im sorry but this doesn’t remotely demonstrate how objective truth necessitates a personal interventionist god( yahweh jehovah allah etc. )
Funny to me how the deists are so against religion but the world union of deists has done a pretty good job of turning a non religion into a religion. Now you need them to tell you what to believe. No thanks I'll forge my own path. Also interesting how some of rhe first deists were Christian deists following the teaching of Jesus. 🤔 seems completely opposed to today's deism. I'd like to see a history about how their beliefs progressed.
Tell us more about the early Christian Deist.
The universe is God. Whatever was, is and will be, is God. Did a separate God create the universe in the first place? I don't know. I do know that we exist as the outcome of evolution and the natural course of events, which is the universe in action. It is also God in action. By the outcome of history and evolution, God (being the universe) created us and everything around us. Just contemplate this thought while looking at the milky way on a dark night. It will do wonders for your thinking.
This doesn't explain how so many prayers have been answered, so many lives have been changed.
Right! A deist would unlikely pray or believe in the power of prayer (as deists typically believe that God is not watching after his creation)
@@saharjoakima careless God? Why not just call it Energy and follow personal whims and desires? No difference to nihilism. Objective truth exists wether we know it or not. Stop by Hamza's den, Efdawah, Scdawah, thought adventure podcast, Mohammed Hijab, Subboor Ahmad, Sapience Institute, muslim metaphysician, muslim lantern, Abdullah Al Andalusi, muslim Skeptic youtube channels live streams and have friendly fruitful discussions insya Allah.
@@saharjoakim- ❤ But ... that's your views of Deism. What about those Deists that do believe in prayer? Like many of America's Founding fathers. So, you have some Deists that believe God does intervene SOME times. ..
Curious to know, what do you call a person who bases his faith in God on reason (no scriptures), prays, and believes God interferes SOME times?
What would you call him if he is not Deist to your definition? 🤔
@@mtalk828 this person sounds more like a theist of some kind as opposed to a deist... why would someone pray to a God if they thought God was not listening and willing to intervene on the basis of that prayer?.. thank you for thinking about these important topics!
Coincidence 🤷♂️
deism is not a religon per se
also think if you count as a religion "Buddhism" or "Taoism"
I believe God is not a creator but an Ideal. God exists as a transcendental concept a known we can study like mathematics. It's like gender, you are supposed to resist it, before you submit to it, as the more you resist the stronger or higher you are, the more unattainable you are. In times of war it is a Patron. What does this make me?
God does interfere with human affairs but only through an abstract level, and according to laws, principles and mechanisms. We decide God's course. God reflects. Like the invisible hand of economics. Like the fact that potatoes are popular but not African mint potatoes.
Basically to me. God is an interferer but not a creator, I suppose. What would you call this?
@@Oysters176 See this: Dr. Sahar Joakim, What is the Ontological Argument for God? What do you think about this one?
@@Oysters176Okay, at this point I think you people are just saying things to sound deep philosophically. How can God be a interferer but not a creator? How do those things correlate together? God is just said to be authentic creator of everything no matter what religion with the concept of God you look into. So, how can you say he's not a creator when the only definition and concept of God is the all powerful creator of the everything?
@@RheemQ Because that is a claim, of existence that you cannot literally see with your eyes, that is a claim that you have to make up. God is simply the word we use for unforeseen ripples. He is not a literal entity, but an entity interposed. He is the word we use to try to more easily make sense of the insensible, which we can only have limited information about. Economics, War, Love, Politics, Culture, this is what I mean by God is an interferer and not a creator.
wow acknowledging God and freeing yourself from all responsibility of that knowledge. Maybe that is why its a waste of time living in the ism's
PS there No Moses he a myth based on real person or mix of men in ancient times.
all religions are false God does take part in our lives but unfortunately we expect something that is not ordained by God so we say no such god exists
I'm deist I believe that God create whole the world but I don't faith in religions
god who?
Lady you need to read the bible my God is active in this world
I am not claiming that this idea is correct, I am teaching the idea. See the rest of my videos :)
@@saharjoakim also I see you are teaching general religious concepts not any one religious school of thought so peace
"Lady you need to read the bible my God is active in this world"
*Christians have been dividing themselves since the Apostles.* With over 43,000 confusing, dissociated and non-aligned denominations scattered worldwide, *you are not the Christian you like to think you are.* You're not the only Christ-follower in the world, and neither are you the most committed. Too, your way of allegedly loving Jesus is neither the only way *nor for the best* and if you don't know that, YOUR Christian world is way too small. And now that brings us to- “how do you factually KNOW you are following the true Christ?”
You may claim the Bible as your belief source, well then which “correct” Bible- the Slave Bible, the Catholic Bible, the Protestant Bible, the Hebrew Bible, the Mormon Bible, the Jehovah's Witness Bible, The Geneva Bible, the Gideon’s bible, the Ethiopian bible, or how about The Bishop's Bible from 1568? *Of course you still won't know the true motives of those anonymous authors,* their agenda, their access to the knowledge they 'claim' to have or their state of mental health.
And so, if you can figure all that out first, *now your credibility problems have only just begun* since you must also PROVE to one and all your Bible choice is *the one that Jesus Himself would embrace, thereby damning all the others.*
"Remember even Satan can quote any bible’s chapter and verse...."
Christianity also believes all have access to God.
God used Moses. Let my people go.
hello Sahar I really suggest you refrain from using a pronoun since the God of deist is genderless, formless and nameless. It's basically unknown...that's why religion got created in the first place, men feared the unknown.
Thank you for your idea!
You got "atheism" wrong. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a *lack of belief* in gods.
Hi, if you’re defining atheism in this way “a lack of belief” then how do you define agnosticism?
@@saharjoakim An agnostic is a person who believes that nothing is *known or can be known* of the existence or nature of God. (There has been no good evidence that I know of). It has more to do with what we can know than what we believe. Seems as though people often believe in things that they don't really know by way of good evidence.
Wikipedia says: Agnosticism is the view or belief that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3] Another definition provided is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."[2]
@@TheToscanaManThanks for clarifying your view! I stick to my own understanding. Atheism and agnosticism are both "lacking belief in god/gods" but atheism is a stronger view, one that does, indeed, reject god/gods. If someone denies god/gods, they DO have a belief about supernatural things (and, their belief is that there is no such thing)
@TheToscanaMan Yeah, and she just said that you don't believe in any kind of God or God's supposedly. I say that because every time I go to videos to do with metaphysical ideologies or just plain ideologies in general supposed as people's beliefs about supernatural things I see atheists on there. It makes me wonder if you people are just putting on a front at this point about not believing.
An a-theist rejects all religions, and likely has no beliefs in the supernatural.
What a BS!
Sounds like a poor excuse to believe in something while not having to explain anything
Thanks for your comment, I laughed!
If that’s the only think you can come up with when it comes to Deism then guess who has the problem, like being a Christian or a Muslim explains a lot lol
Science provides an explanation. We have observable evidence for only one universe. We have observable evidence for the fundamental Physical Constants. This looks very much like a universe fine-tuned for Life. A Creator cannot intervene in the physical universe due to the fine-tuning.
@@saharjoakim good response, I laughed.
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