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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2021
- Is God actively involved in the world, or did He wind up the universe like a clock and walk away? In this brief clip, R.C. Sproul examines how the Enlightenment produced the religion of deism, which remains influential today.
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In what ways did it impact life now? I've been a deist without knowing it for years now. It brings me a lot of peace with God. I blame him for nothing. I expect nothing from him. I'm just incredibly grateful for the opportunity to exist.
Wonderfully put to exist is freewill which is the ultimate purpose 👍
Me too. God has given us a great gift and it’s wonderful to appreciate that without the dogma of interventionist Theism.
❤
Deism is not really a religion. It's just a personal viewpoint on the existence of god. And, the same goes for theism as well. That's it.
It is a religion but it's not a organized religion. It will never have churches or set beliefs.
@@bigwillieb9953 Wrong. Deism by itself was never really a religion, to begin with. It's just a personal viewpoint on god's existence. That's it.
Here's the accurate definition of the term "religion".
Religion is a social institution that involves a unified system of beliefs, and practices that recognize the sacred.
So in other words. Deism is not really a religion.
You do even realize that there are non-theistic religions such as "jainism" that doesn't even focus on the concept of god within their belief systems, right?
And, besides. There are no such things as "organized religion", because religion by itself is an organized set of beliefs that are held by a group.
Belief in god=/=religion 🤨
It depends on how you define religion.
@@americanliberal09 you can’t say it’s an accurate definition of religion, there are literally thousands of definitions of religion, so to declare one as accurate is very subjective, I would say we should just avoid using the term altogether.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Of course you can, because not all definitions are 100% accurate all the time.
The authors who have written those definitions tend to be very biased towards religions such as "christianity".
And, another point that i wanna make is that religion has a different connotation than theism does, because it's a lot more complicated than just mere beliefs in the supernatural.
So are you gonna say that believing in ghosts makes you religious?
Thanks to the ministry for this message on Deism.
Thanks to Dr. R.C. sproul even though he is not with us.
Deism is important to note as observing natural event hood, cosmic force, and creator/ inventor as part of the universe. How things unfold , with the divine hand hovering above, is the way we deists affirm existence.
R. C sproul did an eloquent job on teaching this ☺️
Consequences? No, more like liberation and empowerment. A world based in accuracy is a better world for all of us.
Deism is not just a personal viewpoint..unless one has had the experience of Oneness..afterwards it cannot be described in the terms of duality.
Oh your grace so free
Washes over me
You have made me new now life begins
With you
It’s your endless love pouring down on us
You have made us new
Now life begins with you
Yes we’re free free forever amen
come join the song for the redeemed
WHEN DEATH WAS ARRESTED
and my life began
Amen
these RC's vids are simply treasures
I feel like some sort of practical deism is how it be... I mean, if we are here by some special thing then that's cool. But if not it's lile... idk man .. idk
If you believe that God intervines in your life or in anything, then your basically saying you dont believe in your belief of so called free will.
Hv u experiences mishaps. Hv u seen ppl age into death. Hv u seen disabled; car accidents; greed for money; misers etc.. God don't intervene. God s not a meddler
RC looked like a police detective, but he sure knew how to put those biblical clues together 🕵♂️☺
Lots of useful information inside 3 and a half minutes. That's awesome!
very interesting thanks! i hope to find one day a term that reflects my way of thinking. i've heard of deism before and i was like "maybe THAT's the philosophy name i've been searching for so long!" but sadly no, it's still not it-
What do you think?
I agree with compared to most other religions, Deism makes a lot of sense.
Are you then implying that "reason" which is the driving methodology of deism, cannot be used as a staple of measurement?
Deism is not religious. The basis of the meaning of the is belief without religion.
" ....we ought to obey God rather than men....for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing..
Acts 5:39✝️
Man does not dictate to God
God is who He says He is
God will be worshipped how He says He will be worshipped
God is a title. 😳
@@thewanderer6589 Young Preacher
Press towards the mark of the high calling of GOD
HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD GOD
A book written by men to control people.
God is invisible and unknowable.
Let's begin with what you don't know.
You know prove the existence of God
spirit of antichrist thrives
And UNDIVIDED and Indivisible... God is not a piece in this religion and a piece in some other religion. Man breaks God into fragments. God cannot be SEEN.. But man lies he Saw God
@@suraiyamansoor9740 who claimed to see God but the Son?
Deism also has many problematic questions: where did such a Being obtain his infinite knowledge and power? what did that Being do _before_ He decided to created the universe? where did that Being get the materials to construct the universe? _how_ did that Being assemble the universe? with His hands? his will? or...? Obviously there are no answers to these questions.
certainly not. but the the burden is on the Deist (or Theist) to be able to provide answers to those--or even speculate on the answers--since they're the ones who believe in a designing Diety who started it all. @Thomas-sx6mc
Even if we do assume there is a God, an all-powerful architect that created All, there's no reason at all to assume that Being is the one described in the Christian gospels. All we have for that is an ancient book written in the Bronze age by ignorant sheep-herders. God could be any one of the 3,000 Gods of human history, or a God humans are unaware of.@Thomas-sx6mc
Legend.
Neville Goddard was correct about Imagination being God in man, outside churches are made with hands for sons of man looking and waiting for what's in them Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Typical theology is with nothing new under the sun that's repeated.
A Creator. Call it a God as you wish.
Love RC SPROUL. YES HE KNEW. LUTHER THE AUGUSTINIANS THE 16th Century The Reformation .
I’m sure he was a nice man. However listening to him blow hot air is the reason why people want to abandon religion and have peace and love God- call that deism if you want. Doesn’t really matter what you call it- that’s not the point.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
"16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you."
Consistently Pray for forgiveness, guidance in a good (positive) direction, and for help against evil. Pray to be saved from hell (whatever that may be). Pray for your friends and your family too, it only takes a minute or so/less at a time to pray. Do it and your life will slowly get better, or maybe quickly. It probably just depends on you and the kind of person you are/have been. Don't wait until its too late and you have to suffer the consequences of built up bad karma from immoral acts/unrepented sins. Maybe together we can help make the world a better place by changing ourselves for the better, and changing things around us for the better.
And addressing/thanking the CREATOR, LORD GOD at the beginning and end of your prayers would be a good idea 😊
Or just be my friend if you don't want to say the prayer 😄
I'm trying to help you get right with the LORD 🙏
Amen.
I have worded a short prayer for you to say if you are not sure what words to use, it may not be the best but here it is 😊
'' CREATOR, LORD GOD,
Please forgive me and my friends and my family for our immoral acts, please help guide us in a positive direction and please help us against evil. Please save us from Hell and have mercy on our souls. Thank you CREATOR, LORD GOD. Amen. ''
Please say this at least once a day for at least a month, do it longer if you want to and can 😊🙏
You should prostrate yourself if you don't want to do spoken prayer, or do both ☺🙏 Please worship the LORD GOD and not any idol.
Say ' Om Namah Shivaya ' out loud or in your head 108 times, or try to do it 1008 times 😊 try to do it everyday if you want
What a shame he didn’t live to be 100
It's a shame for we on the Earth but he's happy now then he ever was here
I disregard any man who proclaims his God given senses are set up to oppose God.
Who says?
Fallacy of circular argument.
The problem is: once you move beyond deism (which can be hypothetically justified through argument) and start ascribing feelings, motivations and desires to your god, you have left deism - i.e. mere belief - and have entered affirmer territory i.e. the _claim_ (+ the belief) that a god or gods exist. This inherits a burden of _proof_ and arguments will no longer suffice. So, Xians, _prove your god or STHU!_
@Max Doubt Deism has a scientific basis. There is observable evidence for one universe. There is observable evidence for the cosmological constants. Fine-tuning is a good argument for a deistic Creator. It's an argument, not proof. There is no proof of God, it's a belief. If you would oppose the fine-tuning argument, why and what evidence do you offer?
They make fire and jump it and call it worship.
Ghandi said "I love your Christ. I fear your Christians. Your Christians are nothing like your Christ." I'm a Deist. I owe my Deism to the Christian church. I will never abide but such hatred and contempt for my fellow human beings as is displayed in the Christian churches
RC BAAAAAAAAAABY WOAH
Law trumps History. Cosmology is not the movements of Religion.
RCSproul...I dont think I'll see him at the Judgement seat!
Deism is true😊
Seem allot like druid belief
I don't know but this seems to be a bad-faith explanation of historical deism.
If original sin is a reasonable and correct position why does the law not hold the great-great grandson responsible for the great-great-grandfather's actions?
Because we know it is a travesty of justice and insane.
So.....your saying your God is unjust and insane?
I had nothing to do with Adam or Eve's decision and an omnipotent God knows that.
This is so irrational it bears no waste of rational thought.
The mental gymnastics necessary to uphold the view of original sin is the hallmark of the heroic Special Olympics of irrational insanity.
I love the true God but have distain for the gods of jealous insanity.
He’s absolutely inaccurate, what a Knave
The problem with deism is the same as with atheism, even if you can prove miracles are absolutely impossible and improbable, you're left with explaining away natural phenomenon as the basis for all coincidences and miracles ("which are just natural phenomenon, which have yet to be explained by science" ) you are throwing out thousands of testimonies, possibly even millions through out history as pure circumstantial even though they are attributed to a persons faith of choice. Now while there's no proof in studies and per reviewed articles that such praying has a drastic effect over the material world, you are dismissing over 6,000 years of history probably more, of alleged testimonies across the globe that some being, one or another intervened in the natural world to turn the course of events in someone's life that altered physical reality. Either they're all insane or once in a while supernatural events supersede the natural order which negates the entire premise of deism regardless of whether you believe it or not. Eventually you'll happen along a testimony that science will never explain from your pericope of a naturalized world view, and considering how many there are, you are vastly underestimating how much God intervenes in someone's life to bring about another end. The difference is, this does not prove that someone's religion or another is true, and it never can, a religious claim must be proven beyond its claims to be true, such as the inerrancy of the bible, Jesus' authoritative measure and standard of creation and his words and deeds must be historically accurate in order to prove Christianity is the number one and only true religion. But we are simply talking about people who prayed and had their prayers answered, that does not prove Christianity or even other religion true, it only proves God or the creator is not impersonal from it's creation. A religions testimony can only be true beyond a reasonable doubt if its texts lines up with the parameters its set about how to achieve miracles within the confines and regulations of the perceived faith, if however others from other faiths contradictory to another also have experienced supernatural phenomenon, then the original claim that only that religion is true is null and void, for its standards have been violated according to the texts affirmation, thus the affirmation and belief is wrong, but that doesn't mean belief in a higher power is wrong, but is rather confirmed by multiple testimony of conflicting origins
*you are throwing out thousands of testimonies, possibly even millions through out history as pure circumstantial*
The first problem with magic is to prove it you need a lot of evidence by the very nature of the claim and second is that the magical claims all contradict each other, for example Allah, Krishna and Jesus can't all do miracles nor can all those 3 religions none the less thousands be correct at the same time (its either 1 or the other unless it's all false). So when anyone who is a non Christian claims magic helped them like George Harrison claiming Krisha saved his life from a plane crash it does not help your cause at all.
*Now while there's no proof in studies and per reviewed articles*
That is a pretty good reason to not believe it right there.
*Either they're all insane or once in a while supernatural events*
The first one is way more likely then the second one, people are way more likely to liars, mistaken or wrong rather then magic being true.
*such as the inerrancy of the bible*
That's pretty funny considering the birth stories of Jesus contradict as one has king Harold killing little babies and the other one doesn't or the bloodlines of Jesus contradict. or that Jesus claimed he was returning in the lifetime of the followers etc.
*people who prayed and had their prayers answered*
Those prayers all get answered at the rate of random chance
6000 wrongs dont make a right.
praise the Lord and God bless you all glory be to the HOLY TRINITY forever and ever amen
Yes, we Christian deists are perhaps the main adversaries of Calvinists and we see them as some of the worst of heresies. You will see a resurgence of deism and an intellectual obliteration of Calvinism