The Problem of Hell: Ultimately with R.C. Sproul
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- Why do some of us struggle so much with the Bible’s teaching about hell? Today, R.C. Sproul explains that it’s not because we have a higher view of justice than God does.
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The possibility of God sending me to hell, is utterly terrifying. I often worry about it sometimes laying in my bed at night. I also worry about anyone being there as well, but I know we are all deserving of hell. I throw myself at God's mercy, and fall at his feet and ask for forgiveness. I really do.
My mom believed it was "just" separation from God, but even if it is, I never want to be separated from Him, not for one minute.
All thing good is from God. If you are separating from all things good, you get things that are completely opposite, very bad. No peace, no foods/water, no light, no oxygen, no health, etc... it's going to be tormentful.
Considering what Jesus said about hell in Lazarus and the rich man, I would take it literally, not symbolic. This is one of the few things I would disagree with RC on.
How can we be separate from that of which created us and breathed life into us. There are people being tortured and killed daily on earth.
The word hell is a four letter word. 4 earth is a 5 letter word. In the beginning God created heaven and earth. People need Love and people need peace. People don't need fear. People need compassion and understanding.
You can't because of omnipresence. If the writers of the bible didn't even understand the entity they claimed to have been divinely inspired by, then it begs the question why they'd assert such a no-brainer in imposing limitations on him.
So the doctrine of Hell fails, what is more accurate, is god just outright destroys people he doesn't love and who don't love him. One thing both sides can agree upon - they never wanted to be with each other.
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Hell is in the spiritual realm… outer darkness. Completely different than lake of fire.
Lake of fire is an earthly event.
But that’s the 2nd literal death
It’s described in Revelations 20:10
They only died 2nd time because they were just resurrected right before
It’s called the resurrection of damnation found in Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29
The best place, but without Jesus, is Hell. I don’t want to be anywhere that Jesus is not.
If Jesus was in the pit of Hell I want to be there with Him.
Thank you Jesus for Saving Grace.
The lake of fire in hell is a very real place... where the fire is not quenched. It's not symbolic. May God have mercy on our souls🕊
It’s symbolic
He does have mercy, in the most incredible way imaginable: He sent His only Son to live a life tempted as we are but without sin so that whoever believes in Him would have eternal life even life as an adopted son of God!! (Note: belief being more than just "agreement" but rather an actual relationship)
@@ed0078 Based on.....?
@@rlyle5804 On the fact that what the symbol stands for is more effective, more painful, more miserable and devastating than any real fire.
It’s literally fire it’s in the bible
As for all the warnings in Scripture, this is by far the scariest of them all....to take this warning with disregard or disbelief is at your own peril because God is not a liar.....this is as serious as it gets! Our Savior was sent to save us from this inescapable judgment....believe and be saved from it.
It's important to note eternal separation from God is not a complete absence of God. People in Hell no longer experience God's grace and mercy, but definitely experience God's wrath for all eternity. No one should breathe a sigh of relief at that. Difficulty with the concept of Hell stems from a low view of God and a high view of self. We don't rightly view the seriousness of sin but instead trivialize it. Because of our sin natures we are constantly fighting against our bent to make everything about ourselves and our own desires and wills. We tend to be "inward" instead of "outward" toward God. It makes the reality of Hell hard to accept.
@ Marjie Young Great analysis!!! 👍🏽
Well said.
I do believe it says in Rev. that the devil and the beast and false prophet will be torment day and night in the present of God and His Holy Angels
@@katherinepoindexter4380 I know of where it says they will be tormented day and night forever and ever, but I am not aware of a place that adds they will be tormented in the presence of God and the angels. Revelation 20:10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Though to be fair, Satan, his cohorts, and his followers would certainly consider it to be a torment just to be in the presence of God, let alone be cast into the Lake of Fire for all eternity, but that's a tangent. :-)
I don't think difficulty of hell is necessary a low view of Sin or God. I affirm everything the bible says about hell and have no problem with hell, but yes it's difficult to think people will be there for eternity, especially when the difference between them and me is election, grace, God.
Hell will always be hell as long as God is God. "Depart from me, you cursed into everlasting fire." Hell is forever, just as heaven is.
Yes hell is fire .
More will be in hell along with paster's that teach fake word of GOD.👺😢😭
Nicely said!
God does whatever he wants on a whim. He's warned enough times he can make the intelligence of the wise look foolish because its fun to him. That makes him VERY dangerous and VERY untrustworthy, he can decide tomorrow good is evil and evil is good, and woe to those pottery who argue back to the maker sculpting them.
@@abloogywoogywoo Do you think that truth can change?
@@andrewt.2850 Truth is whatever he says it is. Sin isn't even evil, its doing anything contrary to God's explicit instructions. If God orders you to murder a sinner in a violent fashion, and you show mercy instead, you have sinned against God and he'll strike you down in a violent fashion.
Hard sayings that must be said, a faithful man who wrestled with the tough issues of life.
I just praise the Lord when I hear Dr. Sproul teaching me the marveless things of the Bible. As it's written: "The justified one, even been dead, still testify".
Fortunately, and contrary to Christian popular opinion, ...
"I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made." (Isaiah 57:16)
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I'm no scholar. But, hell is literally the lake of fire, darkness forever. So it is written in the Bible, so it is. May God grant us a heart to reach the lost, in Jesus' name, amen.
Doesn’t fire give off light? How then is it dark. Unless, of course, darkness is not to be taken literally
I agree! I think we risk misinterpreting scripture when we decide that something is “just symbolic” simply because we struggle with it or don’t understand it.
@@jjjjjjjjj323 Fire is probably a metaphor for something far far worse. And if you don't accept that but demand natural explanation, a pure alcohol fire emits no light. Regardless, it is separation for God and all that He offerers us in this life that we either don't or can't understand fully.
@@leefury7 Lee, maybe. Cheers, brother
I'm afraid that I'm not going to heaven...
Glory to God. RC has shown me my problem as I've been struggling with the concept of hell this week. I think at some point I found myself too excited about the prospect of sinners burning in hell, then I became compassionate towards trying to point them to the one who saves, Jesus
YHWH knows I need to be more convicted. My view of self is getting in the way. Holy Spirit lead us to the truth, and protect us from our heart's own bent to deception. God bless and Shalom
Holy narcissist Batman this lunatic thinks the whole world is here to serve and revolve around him! What crazy cult is he in?
@@iacoponefurio1915 True, only Jesus saves. Acts 4:12
Sproul was a hypocrite and was seen in an interview practically foaming at the mouth about people going to hell for “going against” God. We’re all born into sin and guilty by default, so the concept of eternal conscious torment is automatically against the nature of God for multiple reasons. It’s also unbiblical and purely idiotic to believe that God predestined people for heaven and hell. If that were the case God would be pure evil for creating those people in the first place just to ultimately make them suffer. Eternal conscious torment had been debunked so many times it’s not even funny, yet idiots like this guy continue to push it because they’re entire ministries, tithings, and lifestyles would crumble apart. Either investigate the truth about hell or continue living the lie.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Predestination and election are Biblical (Romans 9).
That is the doctrine of total depravity, of which Psalms 14:1 is the clearest passage on (Paul references it in Romans 3:12). David in Psalms 51:5 laments being born in sin
@@kvsartist8245 predestination to hell is not biblical and you’re low IQ if you believe it.
What is the chief end of man ?
Man's chief end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.
Seek Christ Jesus the Redeemer
This is the only time when being narrow minded is a good thing.
Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.
Matthew 7:13
With a high view of God.and a high view of scripture, we see our sin as it is.
I have been reading and studying the Bible for nearly fifty years, and this is the most succinct summary explanation of "hell" that I have ever come across. I am thankful for R.C. Sproul's ministry.
1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
Eternity in Hell is one of the oldest satanic lies. Do you really think Satan is gonna get the majority of humanity away from God?
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Matthew 7:13,14
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Obviously you are not a Greek reader nor having any theological training. "All" is always defined by the context. For instance, in Rom where "all Israel will be saved" is in reference to those Jews at the end the "Time of Jacob's trouble" acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah, i.e. the believing remnant. But also, fully 2/3rds of Israel will die in their rebellion. Know your scripture and endeavor not to "exceed the written word."
@@leefury7 the Israelites were following a false God. Why do you think the prophets continued to tell them so? Jesus literally says in Matthew 12:7 that if they had listened then they wouldn’t have condemned the blameless, or sacrificed innocent animals to “forgive their sins.” You can’t hear this because you’re still stuck in your unbelief.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Both the OT and NT teach that there is always a believing remnant. The promise given to many of the OT prophets and as foretold by Daniel in his 70 weeks, is that there will be a remnant of believing Jews who will proceed on into the kingdom. Ps 2, Rev 20, etc. A 1000 yr reign of Christ on earth will follow Daniel's 70th wk. You seem to have difficulty in acknowledging and understand the context into which various statements are made.
Brutally honest and valid.
Dunno why anyone would say Hell is not a lake of fire. Technically it's not, its just a fire and the smell of sulphur (ugh) and the Lake of Fire, the eternal hell, is a literal lake of fire. I love RC. He seems to be saying hell isnt real at first, but keep listening, he nails it completely, just let him make his point.
No. RC was admitting that describing eternal damnation as "Lake of Fire" maybe figurative. That does not dismiss the reality. It is simply that the reality is incomparable to anything we now experience while fire being as close an approximation/descriptive that we have on this side of eternity. As RC stated, the reality is far worse than the figure.
Eternal separation from my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, for all eternity, is a far greater agony, for me, to imagine than burning in the lake of fire for eternity. Nothing I can do myself can prevent me from going to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, no works, no matter how great they are, and no matter how well I keep the law, none of it is good enough in God’s eyes to grant me the sinless, perfect righteousness that I need to go to eternal life in Heaven. But God, because He loves us, sent His Son, the exact image and nature of YHVH manifest in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, to fulfill the law for us, and the wrath our sins earned us, was poured out on our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on the cross, so that everyone who believes they have been justified on the cross of Christ, who know their sins have all been washed away by the bl00d of the Lamb, and who believe that God raised Jesus from the dead the 3rd day, they will all go to Heaven for eternity, given the sinless righteousness of Christ by the grace of YHVH, because they believe that Jesus Christ was the propitiation for their sins, as a gift from Abba YHVH.
I will never end up in HeII, because God’s Word has promised me eternal life, and He has sealed me with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Jesus took my sins, and He clothed me in His righteousness, and I have been reconciled to my Heavenly Father forever, because the Holy Spirit baptized me into death with Christ on the cross, and made me spiritually alive in Christ, and I am dead to sin, and dead to the law, and it’s no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me. I’m justified by the shed bl00d of Jesus Christ, I’m being sanctified daily by the Holy Spirit, and on the day of redemption I will be glorified, and this corruption will put on incorruption, in the twinkling of an eye. Praise and glory to YHVH, who manifest Himself visibly through our Lord Jesus Christ. He gets all the glory, and all the praise, for all eternity. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES”, Romans 10:4. Do you believe you have been justified already, by the bl00d of Christ? Or are you still trying to justify yourself by the law? You can’t mix law and grace, because if you believe you have to do something other than trusting the gospel of Christ, in order to ensure your salvation, then you don’t understand the gospel, and you’re trying to justify yourself by your own works. You can’t do that, because if salvation comes by the law, then Christ died in vain, Galatians 2:21.
It’s either grace, or works, and if it’s works, then it’s no longer grace. I see far too many people who are frustrating God’s grace, and telling people they have to keep the law to be saved, even the dietary laws. That’s why Jesus Christ told the Pharisees that they couldn’t avoid HeII, because they actually thought they were sinless in keeping the law, and they completely ignored the huge sin of their UNBELIEF in the grace and mercy of YHVH. Not believing completely on the shed bl00d of Christ for your justification, apart from any works of the law, is a sin. “What must we do to do the work of God” the people asked Peter in the book of Acts, and Peter replied “This is the work of God, THAT YOU BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, whom YHVH sent”. That’s the work we must do for salvation, believe on Christ. And YHVH even gives us the faith to believe.
Justification IS salvation, and we’re justified by FAITH ALONE on the redemptive work of Christ on the cross, and His resurrection the 3rd day. That’s the gospel of Christ. The just shall live by FAITH. Justification by trusting on the finished work of Christ for our redemption must precede the sanctification by the Holy Spirit. We have to first be saved and born again through faith, before Christ can produce works through us. He is the vine, and we are the branches, and apart from being in Christ, we can do nothing. People get that completely backwards, and believe that they are doing works, that if they keep the law, and if they keep the feast days, and if they tell others to keep the law too, they will be qualified for salvation, and all of it is DEAD WORKS, because it’s apart from Christ. Anyone who says that you can’t be saved if you don’t keep a 7th day Sabbath, or if you don’t keep the 10 commandments you can’t be saved, is believing in their own works for salvation, and they will be condemned by the law they’re trusting in for salvation.
Everyone who is under the law is under the curse of the law. The whole purpose of the law was to show us our sins, and how we can never be good enough to receive salvation by keeping the law, because no human has ever been able to keep the law as perfectly as God demands, because we’re all fallen. That’s why NO FLESH will be justified by the deeds of the law. We are so far from the sinless, holy, perfect righteousness of God, because everything we do, no matter how perfect we think it is, is nothing but filthy rags to YHVH. This is why the Pharisees couldn’t avoid HeII, because they underestimated the sinless righteousness of YHVH, and they overestimated their own righteousness, actually believing that they had the same sinless righteousness of YHVH by their own works of the law. Our flesh will never be righteous. And our soul is only made sinless and righteous through faith on the finished work of Christ and being born again of the Holy Spirit. Once we’re born again, we have 2 natures, the sinful nature of the flesh, the “old man”, and the sinless nature of the soul that has been quickened by the Spirit of Christ and given His righteousness, the “new man”. And these 2 war against each other.
Let me tell you what you must do to be saved. You must believe that Jesus Christ took all your sins upon Himself on the cross, and the wrath of Abba YHVH against your sins was taken out on the body of Christ on the cross as the propitiation for your sins, and by the grace of YHVH, He gave you the righteousness of Christ because you believe the shed bl00d of Christ justified you and took away all your sins, and you believe you will be resurrected to eternal life, because God resurrected Jesus Christ from the dead the 3rd day, and this is all a gift YHVH has given you, and when Jesus Christ said “Tetelestai”, PAID IN FULL, “It is finished”, that’s exactly what He meant. It’s the faithfulness of Christ all the way to the cross, and our trusting in HIS FINISHED WORK for our redemption that justifies us. You cannot add ANYTHING to the perfect shed bl00d of Christ.
AMEN!!! And thank you so much for these words of our Lord and Saviour. All Glory to God for he saved me from myself 😌🙏
Couldn’t have said it better RC
Hell is not separation from God. Hell is the experience of being in the presence of God without being one with Him.
I don't have a problem with hell when I see the evil in the world.
God is Holy
Thankful for His Son who saved me
Amen.
I think that it is literal fire..and more
In Rev. hell is cast into the lake of fire!
Separation from God is PURE EVIL. Without God all you have is EVIL.
Different levels
Christ said the pharisees
Would receive the greater damnation
Also christ said to pilate
He who delivered me unto you
Has the greater sin
Also few stripes
Many stripes!
Symbolic place just separated from God, what about Luke chapter 12 Luke chapter 16 Isaiah chapter 66 the Bible speaks of hell everywhere I don't believe it's symbolic where the worn die not and the fire is not quenched , I believe it's literal not figurative!!
Our God is a consuming fire ... it is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hell is the unmediated presence of God, without Christ and without hope.
Lamentations3:31 for no one is cast off by God forever.
You didn't read the rest of the chapter obviously. He is talking about Israel first off, and Only the individual who cries out for deliverance from YHVH is restored.
You are a totally dishonest fake liar.
Hell is the grave, not some ever burning fiery pit.
He hates those who hate Him. He repays them to their face what they deserve, and destroys them.
I believe that it is a horrible place and there is fire. In Luk 16 the rich man in Hell, said that he was tormented in this flame. Do you want to bet your eternal life on "just separation from God?" You will "live" for eternity some where either with God or weeping and gnashing your teeth in hell. Your choice. I want to spend my eternity with the one who has demonstrated His love and commitment to me having done all that He can to save me and give me a life with Him.
I disagree with Rc as I do believe the lake of fire is literal and the Lord spoke of the lake of fire where the fire is not quenched.
Exactly
How then do we explain this? Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
I’m not going to find out and I hope you don’t either. The rich man in the parable was sure in fire asking for water from Abraham. Just one drop. To be separated from God is to be separated from all good.
Agreed, from my studies I believe it's both separation from God and a literal lake of fire. People who say they are not afraid of hell and think it'll be a big party will not be there 4 seconds before realizing their mistake.
@@LC-jq7vn That was a parable. Jesus used the gehenna not hell. Hell in Hebrew is sheol and in Greek it is Hades.
Note: we are not debating but trying to enlighten the family of our GOD and Father.
But "hell" is just the grave, and we all go there!
Is a loving God going to keep others alive just so they can suffer?
Humans dont have immortality. Its given as a gift to the righteous. The un-righteous will die. Only the righteous have access to the tree of life.
The christian threat of eternal hell is unbearable. That creates a constant torment in us. That even blames us for others. I dont know who christians bear that horrible message. It seems impossible to find peace knowing that
They are disconnected from their humanity and appeal to wrath, vindication and punishment, which are not Godly qualities nor qualities we are taught to emulate. They're Godly because the "good book" said so, but by that unintuitive standard anything may be Godly and it's just back to subjectivism
I agree also read your bible
What about the near death experiences of those who see people burning in literal fire?
The late Oliver B.Greene gave testimonies of dying sinners, one of whom was screaming, "My FEET ARE ON FIRE!"
Most NDEs are surprising. In Western countries, the majority see themselves in Light (heaven in Europe), in Far Eastern countries, the majority see themselves in a field of flowers (heaven in Japan), very few have negative experiences. This isn't supported by the Bible, so it proves people believe whatever they want in the end.
@@abloogywoogywoo To me it shows the brain is dying, and is grasping on whatever it can hold on to to try to not believe it is going out of existence. BAM! Darkness. Oblivion, The end. Nighty-nighty. Forever.
@@abloogywoogywoo To me it shows the brain is dying, and is grasping on whatever it can hold on to to try to not believe it is going out of existence. BAM! Darkness. Oblivion, The end. Nighty-night. Forever.
@@PresidentChristopher That is the scientific stance on the biology of brain chemistry terminating, yes. The good news is no one will be sad or miserable being dead, as they're too busy _being dead_ to notice. I wonder if God is jealous man can go to oblivion and he can't?
@@abloogywoogywoo Keep thinking that way and you'll awaken too late to the true reality. Death is only separation from the physical body. It isn't cessation of consciousness. ALL sentient creatures know they are eternal. You may rationally deny that but you can't and don't live that way. You live in such a way that you know their is something beyond the grave and that you will have to give an account in the hereafter for what you did in the here.
RC explained this very well. All too often scripture is taken literal rather than symbolic .
Why some parts are taken literal when they arent im not sure but sometimes people want things simple plain without any need to think and read into it which has caused untold error and false teaching.
You don't understand what is meant by literal. It is an unfortunate term as perhaps a better one would be "normative." For literal allows for all the "normative" figures of speech with include, among many other things, symbolism. Jesus Himself used the "literal" form of interpreting what we today refer to as the Old Testament.
@@leefury7when Jesus said if thy right eye causes you to sin pluck it out and cast it from you , did he mean literally or normative ? Not literally which is obvious . Ive never heard normative ever used . Neither do i see your point in correcting the term or misuse of literal when most people know what is ment by literal or not literal with scriptural reading.
Its pointless nitpicking
@@atroutflycrazy8057 No, most people do not know what literal means. They presume they do but go too far when it comes to the science of biblical interpretation, i.e. hermeneutics. There are a vast amount that has been written on the figures of speech used with scripture. Also, one accounts for culture including the differences between Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek. There are a great many nuances that don't get transferred over into English, sad to say. Hebrew is largely a pictorial language whereas Greek is chiefly a technical language.
@@atroutflycrazy8057 Normative as in reading and interpreting scripture the way you normally read the paper. Within an article may be many figures of speech which often you so quickly realize as such that you don't even recognize that you are making an interpretive distinction from one figure of speech to another. You should look at Bullinger's "Figure of Speech used in the Bible."
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God is the God of all Comfort (2 Corinthians ch1) absolutely NO comfort, No common grace. You ever smell a large dead animal? Some will TASTE DEATH for all eternity.
“Did God say . . .” Devil to Eve.
Yes, God did say. That is where we must stop.
Whatever the terminology used, it is meant to point to an unimaginable reality. So you have the lake of fire but also the outer darkness, both seemingly contradictory (fire generates light), and both incomprehensible.
In the world of physics we have an incomprehensible conundrum too: quantum physics existing at the same time with the standard model. One apparently cannot exist without the other. In the same way, could it be that heaven could not exist without a hell? How could heaven be understood as heaven unless it was compared to something that wasn’t heaven? And what would something that is not heaven be understood to be?
Albert Barnes an American Theologin regarding outer darkness wrote in his commentary "The image expresses the fact that the wicked who are lost will be shut out from the light of heaven, and from peace, and joy, and hope; will weep in hopeless grief,
@@jackbrechwald8344 The following thoughts come to mind with your reply. The book of Genesis is clear on the creation timeline. Prior to that, time did not exist. Some refer to anything before Genesis 1:1 as eternity past. With that in mind, one of God's attributes is that He has a wrath. Another attribute is that He is all knowing. Rev. 13:8 says Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Therefore before there was a sinner in humanity (Adam) there was a Savior. God being all knowing was not caught by surprise by Satan's rebellion nor by Adams transgression. Jesus said of the Pharisees you are of your father the devil. Fallen humanity and the devil have a commonality in that they rebel against God. Heaven, earth and hell exist because it serves the holy purpose of enabling God to demonstrate His grace and mercy as well as His power and wrath. Hell is a horrible place that should bring the fear of God to us and drive us to seek Him and Jesus Christ.
and to be saved :: believe the gospel personal applied : christ died for our sins, was buried adn roseagain on the 3rd day. believe he did it for u and that his cross has saved u
God the Father is "absolutely perfect", a concept I cannot begin to comprehend. God's power is so great he can bring a universe into existence. God the Father then sent his own Son, whom the Universe was created through, to be a human being. This point stops me in my tracks. A infinitely powerful, infinitely holy being becomes a Human Being!!! How do we grasp this??? Jesus is God in the flesh. None of us will realise what this means until we see Jesus as he really is, infinite in all his perfections. A concept I cannot begin to comprehend. We are all desperately evil before our perfect heavenly Father, but I genuinely pray for forgiveness of my sins. The thought of Hell fills me with so much terror, I can't face the reality of it. I thought to myself the other day, if I had spent 1,000,000,000 (Billion) years in hell, my time there hasn't even begun!! That chills me to the bone. To lose Gos's love for eternity. That's why I post these messages in the hope it helps somebody. We all need to put our faith in Jesus, to save us from this horrific place. God bless everybody!!!
We would “rejoice to see the death of the wicked?” This sounds a bit like Tertullian to me. A little of Rev 6:10. I thought God desires that none should perish, 2 Pe 3:9. Does God really rejoice when people are cast into hell?
You never read the bible
1 verse out of context yawn typical cult wacko
I hate those who hate you
His garments are dressed in blood
4:30 Doesn't the Bible say God doesn't rejoice in the death of the wicked?
If it were just separation from God that would make a lot of atheists happy. I don’t agree with Sproul on this
It seems you don’t truly understand what separation from God really means.
God is the creator and sustainer of all things. The abscence of his grace would be terrifying. Men curse him with the breathe he grants them and the ability he gave them. One day thay will all be gone and his wrath is all that will there for them. All people need to repent and believe the gospel while they have this grace they take for granted.
@@Greiciunas1 and truly you don’t understand the hatred for God by Others do you?
Same idea came to me. But I think when they then realize what is ultimate separation is they will feel the pain. As RC said, God is daily giving grace to everybody, belivers and non. So i imagine when someone seperates completly from God, one will loose all the gifts that had been taken for granted.
We know that every good thing is from God, and He shines on the good and evil.
Atheists are getting gifts now that they deny its source, but when everything is revealed they will know.
I also dont wish that anybody would have to go through hell, but thats is just a human mind.
I have wondered before what is the difference between me and the most evil man lived. My answer to myself was, given the same circumstances I most likely will do the same.
@@andyyagoub9429 Well said Andy!
How come Death and hades are thrown into the lake of fire 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
because death and hades will cease to exist... hmmmm
I don't understand: if GOD can do EVERYTHING, why can't and doesn't He provide a way of Salvation for the damned? I can think of a way.
He already has through his son Jesus Christ!
@@edwardkeller1372 You did not understnad me. Yes! Why can't He, through His SOn's Atonement. DECLARE (in the Divine reckoning) everybody in Christ - righteous and dead to sin, and resurrected - even the damned in hell (before they die, of course)? THAT WAY, all they need is the Holy Ghost to effect the Dicine reckoning in their spirits, souls, bodies, and lives.
This Atonement, however, can not effect Salvation in the fallen angels, but if God is all-knowing, and All-powerful, why can't He think up a way?
well .. there are some people .. who really deserve hell imo. BUT im not to judge .. which is ofcourse better! because i guess if i be the judge .. i would have to put myself into hell!
God Bless!!
We ALL deserve it.
We ALL deserve to go to Hell.
Theologically people don't go to Hell forever. Rev 20.14 says Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. Its the lake of fire that's forever.
The Bible says more about Hell than Heaven. It states specifically that it’s more than “just separation from God” with “symbols of torture”….
Amazing, in this complex reality where god may or may not be the universe, mankind found a will and a way to make religions that result in the deaths of millions, wars, hateful dogma, and the confusing doctrine of hell all to frighten people into blind obedience of the church and state.
If there's a god, man doesn't know him at all, not one verse in the scriptures was right, which I believe a guy called Jesus was trying to tell us and we crucified him for it.
Touchstone is in the Bible.
And then God predestined many to there by His own will?
Strawman fallacy
You are clueless as to what the bible or Jean Calvin says lol
Fool.
Our only hope of being saved from God's Wrath =
Romans 5:9 = "9 Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be SAVED from God's Wrath through Him!"
1 Thessalonians 5:9 = "9 For God did not appoint us to Suffer Wrath, but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ
(Yeshua/Messiah)."
Not because of anything righteous within us or works of ours-- NO! By His Righteousness Alone =
"21 God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that In Him we might become the Righteousness of God." 2 Cor 5:21
Thank you for this hope in your very Great and Precious Promises, O Great Triune God !!!
-Love because He first Loved us, 1 John 4:19,
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Contrary to this evil loving generation, Love is keeping the lawless away from the law loving.
When men who here refuse to pray
On rocks and hills and mountains call
The Love of God so sure shall still endure:
The saints and angels song.
I believe the only reason Jesus spoke about it, was to tell people about it.
so they would avoid it and not want to be there.
I don't think that he would do it symbolically because it's the most horrific place you could go.
It's the complete wrath of God.
There is nothing symbolic about that
First... there is more than 1 possibility to explain “hell”. Examine the scriptures and arguments can be made for more than just “eternal damnation”. And when considering the character of God... how much He loves us.... does that all change the moment our heart stops beating and now he wants us tortured.... forever.?? We are told/ taught to love our enemies to become more like Him yet in reality He is far more compassionate and loving and forgiving than I could ever be. Why would a person who ignored God purposefully for 80 years in this life serve 4345664333 years of torment and still not taken any time off their sentence?? Cruel & unusual??? I know many traditional interpretations of scripture get skewed ( thus all the different denominations) but some day we will all see His judgments will be fair and just no matter how it may seem now. And... let’s just dedicate ourselves to Christ with full and complete surrender and trust and we really won’t need to worry about such things.
Yes hell is the outer dark, no fire
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC You are welcome
Hell is very real. Thanks for sharing.
You are correct. We are living in it right now.
I just don't get RC he claim NO can come to the father unless they were chosen before the foundations of the earth and are irresistibly called otherwise no chance they come
So IF this is true what's he doing here tormenting the poor sap who cannot change his fate?? I mean is he so full of himself that he need to taint the dead who cannot come to God apart from God regenerating them with new life and would not need warning because they would be irresistible being called out of there grave So clearly this is only aimed to taunt
Have your sins been forgiven today and forever? Think about this. The God of the bible, the One True God made us to worship him, obey him, and enjoy him forever. We break His laws daily by not putting Him first, not thanking Him like we should, we lie, we lust, we have sex before marriage, we dishonor our parents, we covet things other people have, we take God's name and use it in vain, we use it in a low manner, sometimes as a cuss word, (God is holy and even His name is holy), we don't love like we should, etc. In doing so we're saying He's not a good provider, He's a liar, He's untrustworthy, He's not worthy of praise. All these things and more are counted against us. The bible says God is the just judge of the world and one day He will settle the score for all the wrong we've done. God is holy meaning He is righteous (morally perfect in thought, word, and deed) It also means He is set apart and higher than us. God being good, must punish all sin or wrong doing in the world. This means that if you sin one time God will cast you in hell for eternity. Because He is good and He doesn't turn a blind eye to sin. But there is good news. 2000 years ago Jesus the Son of God came into this world and lived a perfect life ( He never sinned once) and He died on the cross taking the wrath that we deserve and paid the penalty for the sins we committed. The bible says that if you will repent (confess and forsake your sins) and trust in what Christ did on the cross (He took the wrath of God that was meant for you and I) then all your sins will be forgiven and when you die you will be in heaven with God and all who believe for eternity. Jesus died and on the third day He rose from the grave. Get right with God today don't wait. Once you die after that comes the judgement. Hebrews 9:27 It's the most important thing you can do. You must be born again John 3:7 If you repent and trust in what Christ did on the cross it shows that you've been born again or born spiritually. Right now you're dead in your sins and you can't see the beauty of Jesus Christ but after you trust in Christ all the things you hate about God like obeying him, serving Him, loving Him and others, reading the bible, praying and going to church you will love to do those things because God changes your heart. That's how you know you have been born again and forgiven. Please think long about this and ask me any questions you have as this is the most important thing you can ever think of in your life. An eternity in hell (darkness and a lake of fire the bible describes it, with weeping and gnashing of teeth) or an eternity out of that place and into the loving arms of God who is infinitely glorious, has infinite knowledge and has infinite power to do all that He pleases. You decide. Have a great day!
hilarious title
Why do you struggle with hell? Maybe because it’s not real.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC You are right. I'm actually kinda scared about life sometimes. What is the evidence for hell? Perhaps I will look into it.
I just had a thought. You know, when they put men in total sensory-deprivation tanks, and deprive a person of all sense of sight, sound, feel, the person starts hallucinating. What if it the same in hell. The person is thrown into outer darkness. Nothing but thick blackness and no sound, light, and nothing to feel? The person goes crazy, and his mind, his conscience, now fully aware of his sin, starts creating such strong hallucinations that the person can actually feel as if fire is burning him, and hear screams of tormented, voices of demons - but it is all illusion, but A REAL illusion that seems realer than real?
I cant stand the Message of eternal hell neither . What an horrible Szenario.
How can christian live with that to know ?
You think I AM is cult belief when theology preaching secular history is false for centuries nothing new under the sun. You all were sons of God like allegory Jesus was teaching, Paul hinted it! Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
You can't believe it yet.
The problem with hell is that it is a pagan thing and that you have to put your trust in Odin to avoid the place.
Good luck.
Why is this fellow so intent on interpreting what Jesus and Scripture says symbolically?
Because he is not in first grade like you haha
God is saving people from Hell. Not from a place of eternal consious torment, but from the Roman Catholic teaching of it.
Hell is a fictional place
You’ll find out
@@aletheia8054 u will also find out that Allah is real
@@mukuluprince5893 We’ll see
@@aletheia8054 ofcourse that's how religion works
It's usually things like you will find out when u die , and always other religions are wrong
@@mukuluprince5893 We’ll see
Wow. He comes so close to the truth. But just can’t escape the ghost of his mentor John Gerstner. “Separation FROM GOD.” But continued, uninterrupted existence just the same? That’s absurd on its face.
So don’t worry, the Lake of FIRE is not literal. But the reality is MUCH WORSE. Such is the demented mind of John Gerstner, who imagined that this was the mind of CHRIST!! Not a snowball’s chance.
Weirdo
You found one out about Him but you know nothing at all. Clearly never read the bible youtube professor lol 😉😉😉😉
Assuming God is omnipotent, all-loving, and omniscient, there is absolutely zero reason to believe that hell exists and/or that people are sent there.
God knows exactly how everyone's life will play out and where they'll end up when they're created. Knowing this, an all-loving God would simply not create people that would wind up in hell.
Some objections might be, "Well, some hell-bound people are instrumental in getting other people into heaven." an all-powerful God could fabricate a universe where there are no hell-bound instrumental people, and an all-loving God wants to send as few people to hell as possible, so that defense fails.
"People choose to go to hell of their own free will." Again, God made the entire universe with the foreknowledge of where every person would end up after they died. If you say that we chose to go to hell, God knew what we would choose and still made us anyway, fully aware that we'd end up in hell. That's not what an all-loving God would do. If you say that God couldn't have made us any other way, then he's not omnipotent, since he lacked the ability to make a different universe or not create hell-bound people.
I'm curious how Christian theists tackle this idea, so if there are any defenses I missed that don't contradict God's tri-omni qualities, I'm very curious to hear them.
Maybe you struggle so much with the "biblical concept of hell" (i.e. eternal conscious torment) because in reality it is not biblical at all but rather contradicts every part of the character of God as described in the Bible.
In 2017 I came to the glorious knowledge that the message of the Bible, literally from Genesis to Revelation, is the salvation of _all_ people through Jesus Christ and the restoration of all things! You have no idea the intense, overflowing joy and freedom I have in knowing that Jesus reconciles _all_ people back to himself and totally and eternally eliminates all evil from his creation. I no longer "struggle" with anything in the Word of God. It is freedom, hope, and life for all people. This is the Amazing News to be shared with everyone in the world.
Eternal conscious torment is not biblical, but neither is universalism. Conditionalism is the truth.
@@AMessengerofTruth Well, I found about 80 Bible verses supporting the salvation of all, namely Titus 2:11 (from the original Greek): "For the grace of God has been revealed, saving all people."
Eternal damnation in the form of annihilation is in the Bible, but the funny thing is that the Bible never says that humans suffer it, it only uses pronouns "they," "them," "these." I believe that only the devil and his angels and the old, fallen nature of man is annihilated.
I don't believe in Hell. It sounds so silly if I'm being honest..
I am a born-again, evangelical Christian, and a student of the Bible and I don't believe in Hell, either.
Either sadly mistaken or blatantly a false prophet. Absolutely nothing scriptural to base upon calling it symbolic. Very common for the well learned to miss the knowledge of the truth. So sad.
Hell is real. And I know if I dont repent from porn I get there.
Keep fighting my friend!
God is not about justice. That is obsolete Old Testament thought. God is unconditional love. Jesus referred to God as Our Father. Would your father judge you and send you to a hell? You can never be separated from God because you are a child of God. God would be sending a part of himself to hell. You are part of God. You can have the experience of feeling that you are separated from God. It is really a state of amnesia. You are experiencing a veil in physical reality. With the veil, you then must make choices. That is what physical reality is all about. By feeling separate, you get to realize yourselves. You can choose to be positive and loving or negative and fearful. It is an opportunity for expansion and self-empowerment! It is like a young adult leaving his affluent and loving parents' home and striking it out on his own to realize himself. You are here to experience your power as a god. Physical reality is not for the faint hearted. You need to be courageous to do it.
Jesus was not perfect. Paul said: Jesus learned obedience from his suffering. So did the Prodigal Son.
Jesus came to earth to remind everyone that they too have a Jesus personality within them.
Jesus came to earth to remind everyone that they are made of the same fabric as him and that they can be like him. We are all one.
So let Jesus be your mentor. Stop following him. Focus on his message instead. It is universal and timeless. He taught unconditional love.
Psalm 82: "Ye are Gods, children of the most high."
The Bible tells us what hell is like using symbols such as the lake of fire 🔥, the worst aspect of hell is an eternity of conscious, guilty, shameful separation from God and all forms of goodness. In that sense, hell is far worse than a literal inferno; a purely physical hell is actually not as terrible as what the Bible describes. Whatever it is physically it’s far worse to be in a place of perpetual suffering and misery, a state of complete separation from God, never-ending and inescapable. More aligned to Hitler than Jesus 🙏 ouch
False teacher
Now provide a reason, or be Gone
The problem with hell is that it is a pagan doctrine, not a Biblical one. There is no mention of hell or eternal conscious torment anywhere in the Bible. Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna (mistranslated as "hell" in many Bibles) are not hell. They are not places of eternal conscious torment.