I can’t comprehend the gnashing of teeth. Beyond my realm of what is horrific, and to be in an eternal state of no hope! There’s nothing more terrifying to me thinking about being apart from God! 😵💫😢
Weeping and gashing of teeth is hell when Jesus talk about it and the Book of Matthew whenever you hear gashing and weeping of teeth is talking about hell many would say to Jesus on that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thay name have we not cast out demons in Jesus would say depart for me I never knew you you workers of uniquity I cashed you into out of Darkness were there be gashing and weeping of teeth is talking about hell and God forgive me if I got your word if I misspell something or if I didn't get it correctly Forgive Me Lord
Great podcast. I tend to think about hell too much. I grew up under mostly hell fire and brimstone preaching. However, I definitely have a fear of the Lord. I'm well aware of the truth about eternal punishment. Nothing to take lightly at all. I'm praying more eyes are opened and hearts softened to hear the precious Holy Spirit.🙏
Good news.. there simply is no hell where any human will ever end up, also no punishment, as all punishment came on the Lamb of God, our SCAPEGOAT. IT IS FINISHED! Also the fear of the Lord is the awe of God! Read 'Song of Songs' in the Bible and come to know the truth that you háve become the Shulamite! Our Bridgegroom is in love with His Bride, our souls.. this is what Jesus came to save, our thoughts! Matt 18:11
@@eekay5710 Sorry that's not in scripture. No itching ears here. There is punishment to those who refuse Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. One way one man.. JESUS CHRIST
@@debriggall9459 Keep in mind Jesus was born under the law, before the cross. Old Test. The cross has made everything new and fresh! IT IS FINISHED! Both heaven and hell are not a geographic place, but a state of mind. A good example of someone who experienced hell, was Judas.. but whether people want to hear this or not, Judas was included in the cross-events of Jesus, as Christ is all in ALL. Rom 3:23 - OT Rom 3:24 - NT, good news!
Thank you, this Ministry is life saving ! Also, it has additional blessings (found in Proverbs) is that it does not intrude into it's neighbors house 'to often' or 'for to long', nor is it a book-studying 'burden' either.
The Lord is near, the season is now! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
What is worse for the damned in Hell? A total absence of the awareness of God, or an awareness of God, who is unreachable? I think the latter. For all of you suffering from anxiety, depression, and other sicknesses of the mind, Christ has chosen you to have a very sanitised glimpse of whats to come. Repent and ask Christ to enter into you and heal you. He will only save those who want to be saved. 🔥✝️❤️
‘He will only save those who want to be saved’ - this is so not true!! It’s grace that will save a sinner and hater of God. Never can I thank my King and Savior enough for entering into my heart with His calling when I ‘wanted’ absolutely nothing to do with God and was loving my sinful life. Was Paul asking Christ into his heart on his way to Damascus? Read what he writes in Romans 9 about those who ‘want’ 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. - I know God can also work His grace mysterious, slowly pulling us towards Him. But He is always the First, it wasn’t you. Without Him being first you don’t want to surrender your all to Him.
@@Lena.9 How can you say 'not true'? For the Satan worshippers and 'knowing' Lovers of Evil, who openly reject The Spirit and coax others to reject The Spirit, there is no saving. For the sickness of mind there IS saving, but for the evildoers, there is no saving.
@@paulustarsus I will focus on two different words in your phrase. 1. He will ONLY save those who want to be saved. Actually NOBODY wants to be saved. Because nobody seeks God (Psalm 14, Romans 3). Because of our sinful nature we don’t have a true desire for God, quiet the opposite we run away just like Adam and Eve. Nothing good dwells in us (Romans 7), wanting to be saved (not just to escape hell) is good and cannot arise from the sinful flesh. The true desire to seek and knowing God is worked by the Spirit. And He has ONLY sinful, unwilling haters of God to begin His work in. 2. He will only save those who WANT to be saved That’s clearly not true. Paul, the Samaritan woman, the demon possessed man at Gadara. They didn’t seek, want or came to Jesus. Jesus came to them and saved them. So again, “it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy”.
@@Lena.9 "Nobody wants to be saved?" Ridiculous statement. Everyone wants to be saved in their physical death throes, whether by drowning, burning, suffocation, etc. So you interpret us as descending into the great darkness and not wanting to be brought into the light? 'Not' wanting to be saved? Take a moment and reflect on what you're advocating, please. 🧐
@@paulustarsus I cited several Bible verses so I probably have taken more than a moment to think about this… Nobody wants to go to hell, but that doesn’t automatically mean we want to go to heaven. Especially not when that heaven is a place where it’s no longer about you and your desires, but God and God only. This desire to glorify God and sacrifice our lives unto him (Romans 12:1) is true salvation and is a gift of Gods grace and not something that originated in our sinful hearts or what we would ever want or wish for without grace.
I thank God for John Piper's ministry. God has blessed me through his ministry many times over many years. However, on this topic I think he misses a couple of important points, one being a technical point about the Greek, and another being a basic truth about the nature of hell and the final fate of the unrighteous: 1. Here is 2 Thessalonians 1:9 CSB17 2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from [Greek: apo] the Lord's presence and from his glorious strength The Greek word translated "away from" in some translations and just "from" in others is apo. In some contexts, it could mean something like "away from," but in this context it more likely means just "from" and refers to the source of the "penalty of eternal destruction." In other words, the Lord is the one who causes the eternal destruction of the unrighteous. 2, "eternal destruction" does not mean "eternal torment." The Bible teaches that unbelievers will perish (John 3:16), that God will destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28), and that they will be burned to ashes (2 Peter 2:6). This teaching is sometimes called conditional immortality. If you google either my name and "conditional immortality" or google "Rethinking Hell," you will find a lot of material showing that the Bible teaches conditional immortality and not eternal torment.
It just doesn’t make sense that temporal sin would be punished in an eternal way. And everlasting life is reserved for the saved, not the lost. Fear the one who can DESTROY body and soul in hell. Destroy means destroy. That makes sense. Rethinking Hell is a great resource.
@@landrybruder , yes, "conditional immortality" is another (and, imho, better) term for annihilationism. I explain conditional immortality and its biblical basis and its relationship to annihilationism in this 7-minute video: ruclips.net/video/O1myOJb7DGM/видео.html
@@MarkWCorbett1 Thank you! I wish John Piper would see Rev. 14:10 (tormented IN the presence of God in hell) and then reconcile that with 2 Thess. 1:9. I don't know why people simply assume the soul is immortal. Perhaps because Greek philosophy is so prevalent. Socrates said the soul is indestructible. The soul who sins shall die, not live forever in torment.
Let me save you 13 minutes: Rev 14: 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Psalm 139: 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. So yes, God is present in hell.
Gods word is spirit, therefore not literal. Hell is a myth . Think on this: Fire is used to refine gold ,silver etc, brimstone is used to heal wounds and is a disinfectant used in world war two on wounds. So the words are not literal but spiritual, as God is a consuming fire, but what does He consume? The carnal mind which is the enemy of God.The words in the whole bible are parables, and types and shadows of higher spiritual things. The natural ,carnal mind cannot receive the spiritual words that parables contain, for they are spiritually discerned, by the spirit of God within, if it has been given by God.
@@billygoat5091 what part of eternal destruction do you not understand? They shall have no rest, day or night? Their worm dieth not. Get out of here with your heresy.
@@billygoat5091 How many lies have you told, and what do you call someone who lies? Have you ever stolen something (even when you were small. Even from your parents. Even a sweet), and what do you call someone who steals? Have you ever taken God’s name in vain (very serious; in Old Testament times, the Jews wouldn’t even say the name of God for fear of blasphemy) - even ‘OMG’? Jesus said whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart; have you ever looked with lust? One more: Ever disrespected your parents? Well I’m not judging you - but if you’ve done these things then you’re a liar, thief, blasphemer, adulterer-at-heart and rebel, so you're not good enough to go to heaven; that’s how seriously God takes sin. He is Holy (perfectly good/righteous and separate from sin) which means that He is perfect in justice; that means that just like a just judge sentences criminals to pay for the wrong they caused, so does God sentence the payment of all sins. If a judge was in front of a guilty criminal and just said "I forgive you. Your crimes don't need to be paid for" that judge would be considered unjust. Justice means all wrong is punished - and if God were to judge you by the moral law (we’ve already looked at 5 commandments) would you be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The answer is hell - the wrath of God upon you for your sin. It is eternal fire, billy goat. Jesus isn't a liar. But fortunately, God’s will is not that you perish. He wants all men everywhere to be saved. But all sin must be paid for, because he us just. So do you know what He did for us guilty sinners? In self-giving mercy, He sent His Son Jesus Christ to take the punishment for our sins (and here is why - - ->). He lived the perfect life that we should have lived - tempted at all points and yet He NEVER sinned. Through His life, being in very nature God, He revealed God to men; but we in our hatred condemned Him to death. On that cross as Jesus suffered, He took on the sin of the world and was judged in our place; receiving God’s wrath. You and I broke God’s law, but Jesus paid the fine. God can justly forgive us. On that cross He died, then He was buried, but 3 days later He was raised from the dead - conquering death and Hell and ushering in The Kingdom of God. He then ascended to the right hand of God the Father (where He came from) now Lord of the living and the dead. God has fixed a date when He will judge the world in righteousness. What you need to do is repent (In humility, acknowledge your sin before God and turn to a relationship with Him) and trust ALONE in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross; and God will grant you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then be baptised. Jesus' perfect righteousness will be accredited to you and you can stand in a relationship with the God of the Universe, a Father. If you repent and believe the gospel. ROMANS 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
@@cjames9320please C James, I do agree with you, but temper your words with less aggressivness, especially on matters which do not concern salvation. whether or not non believers are 'burnt up' or 'eternally burnt', does not take away from the urgency for people to turn to Christ. Saying "Get out of here" seems a bit abrasive
@@troywright359 i will not temper my language for that's the language that Jesus used. If you have a problem with the way Jesus talked about hell, bring it up with him.
If only I had read much more Bible from a young age and knew what I knew today. Plus if only I thought more about hell. Not knowing about certain verses in the Bible is very, very, very dangerous. If only you could live your life over😢
"These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, AWAY from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might" 2 Thess. 1:9 How could Paul write this if God is omnipresent? Simple: They are tormented IN the presence of God and then completely consumed - eternal death/destruction/punishment AWAY from the presence of God. They never live again. It will be as if they never existed, as it is written in Obadiah. The wages of sin is death, not "the wages of sin is eternal life suffering." The punishment of hell is not accompanied by the gift of eternal life. Ps 37:10-20, John 3:16, Obadiah 16-18, Mal 4:1-3
Psalm 139:8 "If I ascend to the heavens, You are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, You are there." He is everywhere. Being in the presence of God while still having the guilt of all Your sins would literally burn you incomprehensibly-- meaning hell. Not to mention, our God is an all-consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29)
*"...If I make my bed in **--Sheol--** the grave, You are there."* And yes, God _is_ an all-consuming fire, leaving not a root or a branch. When all is said and done, nothing will be left of sinners but ashes. ✴ _“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. … Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty._ (Malachi 4: 1;3, NIV)
Jesus Christ went to the cross and now lives to set sinful you free from death and hell. Repent and turn your heart to Him before it’s too late. If He calls your heart, say yes!
Hi pastor john. Been listening almost a year. And I’ve asked you on your RUclips I’ve spread your RUclips but What am I meant to do with the hate in my heart, the anger The complete disregard for human life and the fact I’m self aware enough to know all it’s bringing me is despair and sorrow and loneliness because I myself can’t control it. Especially without stupid tablets. Tablets I wish I could throw away and know I would be okay enough that if I did and ended up harming someone then it was me all along and not nothing to do with doctors or anything along them lines. I’ve had enough pastor john. I’ve removed family from my life. I’ve only gotten worse as I’ve gotten older (now 27) In saying that I do get moments of joy I try to remember them when things are happening that involve anger of my heart but in saying that Life’s pretty good hallelujah. It’s the petty heart of hate that’s the problem. It leads to resenting so much and not blaming anyone or anything I truly believe it’s been the length of time I’ve spent in this pain. You’ve preached in Ireland you should know my race except I’m a Scottish traveler. Not Irish. I Know this’ll sound a bit left field but I knew this was going to happen. I knew I’d end up here. Once upon a time I used to want to settle down. Minister and be married. Now I know I couldn’t ever be that person. Not a lack of faith. Just it’s honestly too late that’s why I’m asking about the heart of hate and not finding a spouse to destroy two maybe more lives. Or to be a minister because I don’t think people should preach as I don’t take from the table unless I’ve felt I’ve settled whatever sin is in my heart and soul before I can accept the breaking of the bread. It’s long enough I’ll leave it at that Love in Christ Jesus Alec McPhee. Age 27, Scotland Sent from my iPhone Please help
Hi Alex, I know how you feel I want to get into ministry myself but I have alot of hate in my heart and I feel like sometimes God can't bless me because of my sin I also want to be married and have that life but I need to get rid of my anger and resentment. And I think I found a solution so to speak, proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding if you know anything about meditation which I'm sure you do, your told to enter a certain state of mind that's empty and it will bring you peace by focusing on your breath, as Christians we are told to trust God and lean not on our understanding in the same way we kind of parallel that state except ours is the way it should be. We should focus on God and empty our mind, fill it with scripture and meditate daily (which means to mutter and ponder on the things of God) don't worry about other people or their lives, God is in control always let God's love fill you and may the grace of our lord be with you always. Hope this helps bless you brother.
Hey man, I've struggled with anger a lot myself. My anger comes from a past of dealing with chronic pain, not trusting God fully, things people have said/done to me and being tormented by demons. I am a born again Christian who tries to do what good I can and help others and I am good at holding my anger around people unless someone had extreme violent intent towards me, in that situation I think I would lose control completely. I have suffered from extreme anger/sadness for years alone and people do not know this other side of me. I have a couple suggestions for you. 1st thing I would suggest is to place God at the highest possible place in your heart. Make Jesus Lord of your life and dedicate your life to the Lord completely. Pray continuously and ask God for help. God listens more readily to those who place him in a place of importance. 2nd thing I would say is to seek deliverance. Demons or unclean spirits, whatever you want to call them are real and although I know I have been saved, I have been absolutely tortured in many ways from the presence of these things. I hate them. We are dealing with a real enemy in satan and his servants which will always try to hit us at our weak points. We must have God who is unchanging and is infinitely strong as our rock. He gives us strength because we are completely powerless in ourselves. It has been an ongoing journey for me learning to live with all this. I am also unmarried and I admit sometimes that it can bring sadness, thinking of the love that could be in my life but I am dedicated to God and if I receive that love or not should not really matter in the long run. Find out your calling through Jesus and admit weaknesses/sin to God and seek his presence because the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23). We are not perfect and I am not free from this problem myself but if you get on the right path, in time things can get better and you will have a true God ordained purpose for your life.
@@willc539 God bless you. I’m sorry you are experiencing the pain as I am. Physically and mentally You nailed it. You understand it and I’m sorry for that. I know what it’s like too much. Being so young as people say I don’t want to go that road of being as you said that other side. But it’s born of lost love or a long time of suffering. Please know this is my own account the other one I’ll reply if you need me to but I use this one mostly My heart is broken. And I’m scared, truly scared of being overcame by evil and doing something unforgivable But I trust jesus as the head of my table. I trust Gods will more than mine. I am scum of the earth he is the salt I am a dark mess he is the light. I’m here for you brother don’t ever forget that please. Maybe this is the start to something amazing we can both grown as brothers in Christ jesus and maybe find enough love from jesus to fully heal and that will be sufficient. God bless. Your brother in Christ Alex McPhee from Scotland 🏴
@@alexmcphee6789 I know that God is sovereign and my pain can be used for good. Yours can be used for good also if you will work with the Lord completely and wholeheartedly. I have had so many moments though in the past where I could not see any greater good in my situation so I'm no stranger to feeling hopeless. I believe that God uses our pain to do something better for us and others in the long run. I feel going through all of this, I was an atheist for a large part of my life (I am 27 now) and through all of this horrible experience I can council or comfort others in the faith. Throughout my journey back to Christ, I came to understand concepts such as why forgiveness is so important, why talking behind the backs of others or acting in rude/negative ways towards others is so much more dangerous than we think, etc. The suffering is a catalyst for growth in ways that no other stimulus can be. If I was joyous and happy all these years, I would not have realized these things. I am very casual in the way that I speak with God and if he asked me would I return to do it all again or was it worth it, I would tell him I'd rather be in heaven hanging out honestly, this reality is difficult and painful and not what I would have wished. I believe I am currently entering a new season in life with new opportunities and hopefully things will start to look up, as things are changing. Even if we are not fully healed here, we will be in heaven. I had an experience with God a few weeks ago where the Holy Spirit was strong within me and I was able to pray in tongues. I was able to speak to God in my head and ask questions and he led me through the pages of the bible for answers. When I asked what I am supposed to do, I was taken to Numbers ch 6 about the law of the Nazarite and shown that I am to dedicate my life to God completely as a Nazarite would. When I asked for an answer on my business/purpose here I was shown Genesis ch 19 where Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. I focused in verses 12-13 which say: The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here-sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.” I understood that I am to be a messenger to warn people to get right with God because the times we are living in are serious and the judgment of God is coming. When I asked what time period we are in, I got Revelation chapter 8, the seventh seal being opened just before the trumpets are to sound. I just want to warn you/also encourage you to keep your eyes on the Lord in these times. Give your life to him completely and walk in the Spirit of God so that you don't stumble or fall. Repent of any and all sins and develop your relationship with him through Jesus Christ. I hope you find your Godly calling man and I wish you all the best. We will meet in heaven someday. God bless.
@@willc539 hallelujah. At least your trying. Pastor john has a video about how and when God the abba father increases our faith. It’s pretty good And it’s funny you brought up sodom and gamorrah. Truly, where I’m living right now I’ve never seen so many ‘disgusting’ people. Men dressed as women. Men and men. I find it so repulsive. Why I haven’t been arrested i have no idea yet. But maybe that’s my problem. I didn’t mind them when it was kept quiet. When it wasn’t taught in schools and forced down peoples throats but now? Lord please do another sodom and gamorrah because honestly I cannot physically take looking at them any longer I just turned 27 too. I’ll change the subject for us See if you Google ucb and navigate to the word for today ? Maybe that might help you too And there’s verse of the day as well And pastor john. And I’m always here It’s good your taking what the enemy has done and reverting it back to the will of God You can help others. I believe you can. You’ve helped me already just knowing I’m not alone. I pray you find peace comfort and prosperity. I pray you find a beautiful woman to call your wife. I pray you have beautiful, fit and healthy children and I pray to see you in heaven with all the blessings the lord jesus has given you
In relation to 2 Thess 1:9, I suppose the answer lays within what context the Greek word [apo/from] is being used. In the following example at Matt 7:23, [apo] is being used within the context of “sending away” from. Matt 7:23:- “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart [apo/from] me, ye that work iniquity”. The above, in relation to 2 Thess 1:9, would mean the subject suffers destruction by being sent “away from” the Lord's presence. However, the usage of [apo] could be understood within a differing context; as shown in Matt:12:38, 12:48. Matt 12:38:- “Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign [apo/from] thee. The above, in relation to 2 Thess 1:9, would mean the subject would suffer the destructive power coming “from” the presence of the Lord. In which case; it would correlate with Rev 14:10. Peace
As a believer, I grieve for the lost who are already there, and I always ask God to be merciful on those who are there. I really wish he would of chose to destroy the souls of the lost instead of allowing them to suffer for eternity. I feel it is completely unfair that mankind is punished eternally for choices made during a finite life. Is God really only giving us 100 years or so to determine our final destination.... I have many genuine questions that I honestly have to ask God face to face...like why even create Lucifer knowing full well he was going to cause such destruction....
The Bible does not teach an ever burning hell. God is just and I pray you will read His word and know there are different interpretations than this conclusion. The Spirit brings you to the truth of God’s word. Study the different views and ask God to show you the truth of His character. I think you will be satisfied with the real God in scripture, loving..fair…just.
Commandojenkings i have these questions also for a long time. I just dont understand it. But after 10 years i had to let it go. I have my own answer and thats enough for me. Hope you will find rest in these difficult subjects.
@@leeleedart1367 I believe most of the brethren have an inaccurate view/ interpretation of what “hell” is. Certainly including me!! Most rely mostly on tradition instead of hitting the Good Book hard and often.
@@leeleedart1367 "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelation 20:10 Seems pretty clear.
@@douglasmcnay644 - to the extent that Rev 20:10 is "clear" (and I think it's a vision, not intended to be taken literally but to be self-interpreted) it clearly and specifically says the 3 most wicked figures in all of human history will be tormented forever. It does NOT say, explicitly or implicitly, that all humans apart from the gift of salvation will also be tormented forever. In contrast, 2 Thess 1:9-10 clearly says of all of the persecutors of the Thessalonian believers, as well as all who disobey the gospel, that they "will pay the penalty of eternal destruction ... when He comes, on that day" (CSB, see also KJV and Greek). This matches Jesus's assertion that the fearsome thing about gehenna is God's power to destroy body and soul. Those are, I would claim, both "clear" and more significantly pertain to us. And they do not mention eternal torment; they are about being destroyed and hence not existing.
I think the best way to harmonise 2 Thess 1:9 and Rev 14:10 is simply to assume that when 2 Thess 1:9 says that the damned will suffer away from the Lord's presence, it just means away from the blessing-giving aspect of his presence. Hell doesn't have to mean the absence of God's presence in every respect, but as far as God's presence is a blessing, the damned miss out on this completely.
@@exaucemayunga22 Then where His presence is, that means His presence isn't absent like in other parts of the scripture on hell like when Jesus said the one's that didn't want Him as King would be slaughtered in His presence/before Him. There's no contradictions in the Bible so clearly there's a way that these two statements are a reality. It's not twisting the scriptures to try to seek an understanding of what is laid out
English not my 1st language. i translated this from a book in our language of someone who knows the Greek very well. The word 'hell' was never part of the Bible. It was brought in when the church decided to take more control of the people. The most general words are the Hebrew word Sheoul and the Greek words Gehenna, Tartaro and Hades. SHEOUL is not hell. It simply is a resting place where people go once they 'die'. (we are spirit, and spirit never dies). King David knew he was going to Sheoul: Ps 49:16 + 88:4; Jacob in Gen 37:35 and Hiskia in Isaiah 38:10 Those three people obviously would never ended up in 'hell', which is proof that Sheoul is not hell. HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. That's why Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 9 that they are blind. In Matt 11:23 + Luke 10:15 Jesus is referring to Capernaum who will be brought down to the debt of hell, because the people did not believe in the miracles he has performed. Its not the péople who will brought down to Hades, but a city! It was a symbolic way of Jesus to tell the people in those city that the were spiritual blind. The same in Matt 16:18 GEHENNA. This word is used 12x in the Bible, whereof 11x by Jesus himself. Matt 5:22 is referring to this word. Gehenna is a valley outside of Jerusalem with the name Gai Hinnon, or sometimes Gai Hinnom. It was a valley that belonged to the sons of Hinnon, and also years ago children were offered to idol Molloch. Later this place were used for the combustion of bodies etc and Gehenna end up with the association of death. Jesus never used the word Hell, but Gehenna. TARTAROSAS This word appears only once in the Bible: 2Pe 2:4 Petrus is using this word as a place where people are held captivity and not as a place in the dark underworld. This word also refers only to the demonic world and not a place where people will go for punishment once they 'died'. -Pierre Grigor Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 This is only a parable. The rich man represents the Israelites who reveived the law of God plus the prophets. The beggar represents the gentiles. In this parable Jesus is talking about 2 dispensations: the law and grace.
@@eekay5710 What Jesus called gehanna, is what we describe when we use the word hell. Jesus spoke of outer darkness, weeping, and gnashing of teeth. Jesus talked about a furnace. Jesus called it Gehenna, we use the word hell today but we're talking about the same place. It's just like how Jesus' name was Yeshua. The Jews and people of His time would've said "Yeshua," but we say "Jesus" today. Different words because of different languages but the same Person is being described. Same with Gehenna and hell. Also the Rich man and Lazarus can't be about Israelites and Gentiles because the rich man and Lazarus are both Jews and the rich man never is or can be saved, it was too late for him. The law also cant be the rich man because the law is good and holy and therefore, even symbolically couldn't be subject to destruction or torment. In that parable, Abraham makes it clear that the resulting afterlife of both the rich man and Lazarus was their final judgement for their lives on earth. The law cant be judged and Israel isn't cut off as a whole because the gospel was given to them first. No matter how we try to avoid it, hell or Gehenna as Jesus called it, is still a reality. He said souls would be judged, there would be a fire that isn't quenched, He warned people to repent and not perish, and said it lasts forever. So we can call it by any name but the reality of those circumstances in that place remains true.
sheol is the old testament word for "hell", and as The Eternal Believer says, it means the grave. hades is the greek word for "hell" but it also means the grave. you can confirm this by having scripture define scripture. hades is translated from sheol via the greek old testament, the septuagint. "hell" only means the grave. there is no "hell" as in an eternal subterranean torture chamber. that is never spoken of in scripture, but imposed by the reader. this is exactly why "hades" (the grave) has no victory - because of the resurrection. 1 Cor 15:55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?" read through this chapter in its context and its clearly talking all about the resurrection of the dead. this specific verse is a quote from Hosea 13:14 which makes it clear its talking about the grave. Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave, I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues. O Grave, I will be your destruction!" the grave has no victory because of the resurrection, which Christ is the firstborn of (Rev 1:5). it doesn't make sense that Hades means "hell", because if i were to ask you what is the "lake of fire"? you'd say, "hell". well Rev 20:14 says "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." few things wrong with this passage if most peoples interpretation of "hell" is correct. #1 hell being cast into hell to be destroyed, that doesn't make any sense. #2 second death? but people believe people are tormented in hell forever and not actually dead. so that makes no sense. i personally prefer to believe scripture over mans interpretation and presupposed beliefs. and if a mans interpretation of scripture doesn't align with other scriptures, then the interpretation is incorrect, not scripture.
God cannot be measured. There's nothing that can encompass Him. We cannot cover Him through created things. When David said where can I go from Your presence? He mentioned God being in Hades. God's presence is different in each place. In Hell, what's present is God's eternal judgment.
What does Omnipresent Spirit of Almighty Father God MEAN TO YOU? DOES AN ALLPRESENT SPIRIT OF ALMIGHTY GOD NOT EXIST ANYWHERE? HE WON'T EXIST IN A PLACE HE CREATED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS? WOE TO WHO? ARE HIRELINGS IN TROUBLE WITH KING OF KINGS SOON? WHO LEFT THEIR RICHES TO TRULY DESIRE GOD IN BETHLEHEM BAPTIST CHURCH??
God can be everywhere unlike Satan or any other created being but that does not mean that he can not choose to be where God wishes to be. God is Only a Sovereign as to his word. There are many things God can not do. Unfortunately humans can, this does not make God bless but rather more. God can not tell a lie.i can but that does not make me more powerful than God. Omni powerful, present etc. needs clarification as how John Piper explains this in his expose
Neither the rich man nor Lazarus was in heaven for that conversation. Prior to Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection all people went to Sheol (translated as Hades in the Septuagint). Sheol was divided by a great chasm. On one side of the chasm was Paradise/Abraham's bosom and the other side was the place of torment. It wasn't until after Jesus' death/burial/resurrection that believers went to heaven when they die. All of the people that were on the paradise/Abraham's bosom side of Sheol are now in heaven too. Most? scholars teach that Jesus went to Sheol to get the people on the Paradise side to take them to heaven (they say that is where he went when his body was in the tomb before he was resurrected). Jesus said the the thief on the cross next to Him "Today you will be with me in Paradise". There is nothing in the Bible that indicates someone in Sheol can communicate with someone in Heaven.
@@mailjamesthomas i think so too of your point. just like when king David said in Psalm 16:9-10 Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices; my flesh also dwells secure. For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.
is the rich man and lazarus teaching a literal teaching of what heaven/hell represent? obviously not, since it isn't what you believe heaven and hell to be exactly. that tale is a parable - best to look into what the parable represents, instead of presupposing your belief into it for confirmation bias
Hell is any place outside the kingdom of the LORD. The book of Revelation gives a description of the new heaven and earth (the New Jerusalem), it has walls with twelve gates. If you are within the walls you are with the LORD, if you are not you are in hell. Thats my interpretation.
Yes, in that sense God is present in hell. But when 2 Thess 1:9 talks about being away from the presence of the Lord, it means away from his presence insofar as his presence brings blessing. This kind of God's presence doesn't exist in hell.
@@maxaplin4204 I guess another good explanation of this is anyone who is in hell is completely away from God's grace while they will receive the full wrath of God in hell
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelation 20:10 If they are able to be tormented forever and ever, sounds like they would have to exist forever and ever...
@@douglasmcnay644 you first should go back to the orginal language and get a proper translation. you can know this one is slightly off by dozens upon dozens of other scriptures. what Mike says is correct. Hell is the grave. this is very easily confirmed by doing a scripture word study on the words translated "hell". Sheol for hebrew, and Hades for greek. if i asked you what the "lake of fire" was, you'd say hell, but alas Rev 20:14 says "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." #1 how can hell be cast into hell to be destroyed? that makes no sense. #2 second death? you don't believe anything dies in "hell", but it kept alive to torment forever and ever.
I'm struggling with the question of how could Jesus bear hell instead of me, if he doesn't was in hell, but "only" died on the cross? How does the mechanism of salvation works? I know that Christ's death has eternal value for me and it is testified und confirmed beyond any doubt by the Lords Resurrection. But I don't understand exactly WHY. Thank you for your answers and sorry for my bad English (German is my mother tongue).
Markus, several weeks ago I made a video where I address the exact question you ask. I hope it might be helpful: ruclips.net/video/OMk9mnp6nBc/видео.html
Hallo Markus, liebe Grüße aus Finnland! The death and resurrection of Christ as the way of obtaining salvation for men make the most sense in the framework of the doctrine called Conditional Immortality. In this view, (physical) life and death are important themes that run throughout the storyline of Scripture, from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. A lot could be said here, but the short version is that Adam sinned and brought death into the world, losing the possibility of immortality, but the sinless Christ died and through his resurrection, brought eternal life to those who are united with him through faith (see for instance Romans 5 and 6 and 1 Corinthians 15). Jesus had to take upon himself the judgment that our sins deserve, but as you pointed out, what Jesus did was not suffer eternal torment, but rather he died a painful and shameful death. There should not be anything "only" about that, but the way most people understand the doctrine of hell tends to make the actual death of Christ less meaningful. We have to understand that death is what justice looks like in the Bible, and as Paul said, the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). What is commonly called hell is the second death, when the wicked are raised to face judgment and are sentenced to death from which there is no return. Death is the eternal punishment of the wicked; immortal life belongs only to those who are "in Christ". So Jesus bore hell instead of you by dying on the cross because death is what your sins deserve. You would have deserved being sentenced to that kind of painful and shameful death on the Day of Judgment, and nothing in you would merit a resurrection, so your punishment would be eternal. But Jesus, being sinless, did not deserve to remain dead, and he was raised on the third day in immortal glory, never to die again, and this kind of resurrection you will also share in since you have placed your trust in Jesus and believe that he died on your behalf. To God be glory!
I believe Lord descended into hell and is Lord , even of hell . So knowing this , when I feel my turmoil , I can account even unto the Lord . Whether the judgement is hell or not , if it is the Lord’s - it is right
Let's get into some Greek. εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων means in the age of the ages. εἰς [in] τοὺς [the] αἰῶνας [age] τῶν [of the] αἰώνων [ages], but somehow got translated into forever and ever in Revelation 20:10. If you want more info watch some videos on the word aion or aionios.
you should be translating hades instead to get a better grasp what its talking about. have scripture define scripture. impart no presuppositional beliefs
it would beneficial if you did a word search through scripture for the word "hell" and let scripture define the term. "hell" is "sheol" in hebrew and "hades" in greek. look up every single instance its used throughout scripture and let the bible define the term. im confident you'll find it doesn't mean what you think it means, or want it to mean. you will conclude drastically different teachings in scripture about the term "hell" depending how you define it.
@@ZachFish- i believe what the bible says what does the bible say? this is what is up for debate, and i don't expect you to believe what i tell you the bible says. which is why the original comment encourages people to look for themselves what the bible says. if you want the spoiler alert version: "hell" is referring to the grave. when you die, you go to the grave until you're resurrected and made alive again. at this point you go to the kingdom, the promised restored creation, or you go to the lake of fire where you're killed, snuffed out of existence oh death, where is your sting? oh hades (hell) where is your victory? there isn't victory in the grave, because Jesus walked out of it. this is exactly what baptism symbolizes as well. dying, being buried, and being resurrected. there is no "heaven" and there is no "hell" in the tradition sense. they do not exist, and are never spoken of or taught throughout scripture at all. this boils down to the immortality of the soul. you do not have an immortal soul, and thus when your body dies there is no place it needs to go. but rather you are a soul, made up of the spirit (breath) of God and your body (fashioned from earth). together they make a living breathing soul. remove one or the other and you no longer are a living breathing soul. you're dead. "but what about, but what about" just read scripture for what it says. remove your bias, presupposed beliefs, and allow scripture to influence your beliefs rather than your belief influence what scripture says
@@junk3996 I was reading comments in a couple of videos for a few hours, and you summarized where I’ve been leaning, but I was wondering about those who hold to that view what their thoughts are on Lazarus and the Rich man. Usually people coincide that with the Old Testament “view of hell” / souls go to Sheol awaiting the judgment (the saved being united with Jesus in heaven after the cross). Idk about all of that, but that’s my main hesitancy, how that was seemingly an actual place where souls are (not the ECT divider of heaven and hell). So basically~ If it isn’t the heaven and hell after judgement, it can’t be non existent death, so what is it if not that Old Testament view of Sheol many hold to?
@@ZachFish- this is a good question allow me to flush this out a little bit, #1 as to why it can't be what they say so yes most people hold the idea that abrahams bosom is like a holding place (not heaven, cause Jesus didn't die on their behalf yet) for the old testament saints. and when Jesus died He allegedly went to abrahams bosom, gathered the saints, and took them up into heaven at that point again this is all presupposing the immortal soul, that something lives on after you die, which the old testament more than the new absolutely refutes to a crazy degree so why isn't this the case? well the same people that believe the above explanation, believe that Jesus told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day (today). but then in their belief they must believe that Jesus went to hell when He died to #1 pay the penalty for death, and #2 preach to the spirits in chains in prison, and #3 to conquer hell. they can't have it both ways. Jesus didn't go to "paradise" or bring the OT saints to heaven because Jesus Himself says after being resurrected, not to touch Him because He has not yet ascended to the Father. again can't have it both ways. as for the rich man and lazarus story specifically. this story is obviously not a depiction of heaven and hell, because that is not what they believe heaven and hell to be, not literally. so the story must not be a literal teaching of heaven and hell. again can't have it both ways. if its a literal story, then that is precisely what heaven and hell look like, as in you can see those in hell and communicate with them etc etc there are many other ways as to why this story cannot possibly be a literal teaching of heaven and hell, and i'll provide some links later which i believe touch on some more of those as well. so what is it then? its a parable. its the final parable in a string of parables. why do i think its a parable even though "it would be the only parable with a named person", because the named person is representing someone important to the story. its a parable because chapters before (Luke...5? 7? 9? i forget which) Jesus Himself promises to not speak to the scribes and pharisees plainly. in this parable in luke 16 it is a string of parables, the final one, in which He is addressing the scribes and pharisees, so He wouldn't be speaking to them in plain language but rather, a parable. Lazarus is named because that character represents Jesus. the meaning of the parable is essentially Jesus saying to the Pharisees, "look, you guys are our, me and my possy are in" (paraphrase). Jesus is kicking them out of authority, and the elders right to the birthright of Abraham, the inheritance. this no longer belongs to them, but belongs to Jesus the Christ the son of the living God. the cool thing is, is Jesus basically summed this up to the same audience before, accounted in John 5:46-47. very similar warning. for more specific in depth study and explanation of the details of this specific parable, you can view these teaching videos ruclips.net/video/Oo3cVc7X_F0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/VEznx8fZSp4/видео.html these are taken from this series, www.4windsfellowships.net/bbi_03.html (3rd module out of 12) now, while directly answering this objection/question may be helpful, the more helpful thing would be to go in depth through the OT as to why exactly immortality of the soul cannot possibly exist/be, thus that would instantly negate any such interpretation of luke 16s parable. so i encourage you to at least skim through the notes of the 4winds website BBI module 3, from the other prior teachings to the lazarus explanation. another thing to keep in mind is, the hebrews did not believe in an immortal soul at all, for the cultural and historical context, and wouldn't have understood Jesus words in that way either.
Hell isn’t a place. There’s no place of eternal torment. The opposite of eternal life is eternal non existence…Hell is God. God is the consuming fire. Hell is the presence of God that makes sin nonexistent. God is light an we go to dwell with Christ who’s in the light…read Shadraq meshaq an anednego..the guards died opening the doors…John wrote the same story in revelation.
*Is God Present or Absent in Hell?* The correct answer is: God is not in hell. That is because there is no such thing as hell. None of the four Greek and Hebrew words mis-translated as "hell" in the KJV (and others) represents a place of eternal conscious torment.
Jesus used two words for the fate of the wicked beyond this life - Hades and Gehenna. Both words have been translated 'hell.' This assumes that Hades and Gehenna are the same place. This assumption is questionable, at least. Look closely and what Jesus and the Bible say about Hades and Gehenna. You will see that people go to Hades after they die, after this life, and people go to Gehenna after Final Judgement. In Acts 2 Peter talks about Hades quoting Psalm 16. In the OT Psalm 16 has the Hebrew name Sheol where the NT has the Greek name Hades. Hades and Sheol are names for the same place. Hades / Sheol is the terrible remand prison for the unrepentant, unforgiven, before Final Judgement. Gehenna is the eternal lire, the lake of fire, after Final Judgement. Psalm 138 says that God is present even in Sheol. Therefore God is present even in Hades. Rev 14:9-11 is about Hades, in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. This part of Rev 14 comes before the Great Throne Judgement - just read on in the chapter.. The translations 'in the presence of...' are better than 'in the distant vision of...' At the Final Judgement Jesus says to the unrepentant 'Depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' Elsewhere, Jesus calls this fire Gehenna. Therefore Jesus is not present in Gehenna. Both the verses can be understood at face value, as long as we recognise that they are talking about 2 different places, to which Jesus gave the different names, Hades and Gehenna.
English not my 1st language. i translated this from a book in our language of someone who knows the Greek very well. The word 'hell' was never part of the Bible. It was brought in when the church decided to take more control of the people. The most general words are the Hebrew word Sheoul and the Greek words Gehenna, Tartaro and Hades. SHEOUL is not hell. It simply is a resting place where people go once they 'die'. (we are spirit, and spirit never dies). King David knew he was going to Sheoul: Ps 49:16 + 88:4; Jacob in Gen 37:35 and Hiskia in Isaiah 38:10 Those three people obviously would never ended up in 'hell', which is proof that Sheoul is not hell. HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. That's why Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 9 that they are blind. In Matt 11:23 + Luke 10:15 Jesus is referring to Capernaum who will be brought down to the debt of hell, because the people did not believe in the miracles he has performed. Its not the péople who will brought down to Hades, but a city! It was a symbolic way of Jesus to tell the people in those city that the were spiritual blind. The same in Matt 16:18 GEHENNA. This word is used 12x in the Bible, whereof 11x by Jesus himself. Matt 5:22 is referring to this word. Gehenna is a valley outside of Jerusalem with the name Gai Hinnon, or sometimes Gai Hinnom. It was a valley that belonged to the sons of Hinnon, and also years ago children were offered to idol Molloch. Later this place were used for the combustion of bodies etc and Gehenna end up with the association of death. Jesus never used the word Hell, but Gehenna. TARTAROSAS This word appears only once in the Bible: 2Pe 2:4 Petrus is using this word as a place where people are held captivity and not as a place in the dark underworld. This word also refers only to the demonic world and not a place where people will go for punishment once they 'died'. -Pierre Grigor Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19-31 This is only a parable. The rich man represents the Israelites who reveived the law of God plus the prophets. The beggar represents the gentiles. In this parable Jesus is talking about 2 dispensations: the law and grace.
I haven't watched the video, and I'm not going to, but the answer is neither, because there's no such place as 'hell' - it's not in the Bible, and it's a lot of medieval Catholic nonsense! I can't believe people would presume to teach, without first understanding God's wonderful word...
Do you love GOD out of what he will do to you that's not love , how could you truly believe that GOD would put you in a place of skin melting fire, for trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of years, that goes against his nature ,
1 Peter 1:15-16 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. John 8:11 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Romans 6:12 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 8:12-13 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. John 5:14 14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. Hebrews 12:14 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. Romans 11:21-22 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Matthew 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Ephesians 5:27 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ezekiel 18:26-27 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Why Jeffrey Dahmer is in Heaven. Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer who murdered and ate his victims, believed in Jesus as his Lord and savior in his jail cell before he died. John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Heaven is not a place for “good” people. Heaven is for whosoever believes in Jesus. This goes to show you that it doesn’t matter who you are or what you’ve done, the Power and Glory of God’s grace is sufficient to save anyone. And once you’re saved you’re always saved. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Just believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and you’re saved. No attending church, no getting religious, no pretending to be holier than thou. The Bible is clear. Just believe to be saved. Doing ANY kind of works to be saved is a slap in the face of God. You’re telling him that His free gift of salvation, Jesus dying on that cross, was not sufficient to save you. Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. John 6:47, KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 6:29 “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the will of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
heaven is not for whoever believes in Jesus, for even the devils believe - and tremble! James 2:19 Jesus says Himself, whoever hears my words and DOES them, I will liken him to a wise man who builds his house on the rock. but whoever hears my words and does not do them, I will liken him to a fool who builds his house on the sand. it will fall, and great was its fall. Matt 7:24-27 obedience is the determining factor. i know many get wrapped up in the whole "words vs grace" argument, but obedience is not a work, its a requirement by Jesus' own words
@@junk3996 Galatians 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. John 6:47, KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 6:29 “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the will of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
@@garrettstrong9606 yeah. "believing" and "belief" are conditional to if you're obeying or not. if i tell you your house is on fire, and you say "i believe you" but you don't leave...you clearly don't believe me. if you think "belief" is enough, without obedience, then you also believe that demons are saved by their belief - and that Jesus' own words are wrong. congradulations. now you're choosing your own doctrine and belief over clear plain teaching by scripture. even just a couple passages earlier than one of the key passages highlighted in this video, 2 Thess 1:8 states :in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do NOT OBEY the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." Jesus Himself will say "depart from me, you who practice lawlessness". if you're not obeying, and still practicing sin - you will be rejected. its time to get off the fluffy garbage "gospel" that makes obedience optional, when all throughout scripture its a commandment and requirement.
I'm afraid it is much worse than that. People who don't love God wouldn't want to be with him. Hell will be punishment even for those people who don't want to be with God, torturous is what the Bible says.
You have not uttered a single public word of thanksgiving regarding the biggest answer to prayer in 49 years. Are you afraid some credit may accrue to Donald Trump?
"Is God Present or Absent in Hell?" Kind Sir..I believe Jesus (who is the only true God)...is NOT in hell... Also; I believe the hell; where satan and all non Born Again's are going; does NOT exist now. And will not exist until "Judgment Day" when Jesus creates a hell; just before He creates the JD. When Jesus (in the Old Heaven); separates His "Sheep: (Born Again's) from satan's "Goats" (Non Born Again's). And Jesus' 600 million true Angels; moves us (Born Again's) to Jesus' Right hand. Then Jesus (with one powerful left hand) casts EVERY Goat into that hell. Where He had already cast satan (right after He created hell) into that "Burning Lake of Fire!" (hell). Where satan's "False prophet" and his "Beast" (which I believe is satan's 200 million "Fallen" Angels. Also called "Demons") were the first to go to hell. Revelation 20:10 And the devil (satan) that deceived them (ALL non Born Again's from creation) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And then, Jesus commands His Angels; to usher us into the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven. Supported by the New Earth and the New Temple; who IS Jesus. Then He gives us a New Body, New Name and a New Life forever! That will be "Everlasting Life". As Jesus promised to the Born Again's in... John 3:15 That whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) should not perish (in hell), but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish (in hell), but have Everlasting Life. Could I be Wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES! But ALL others could be Wrong too... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer “Yes And let me tell you why Find more free resources at: www.graceambassadors.com
I can’t comprehend the gnashing of teeth. Beyond my realm of what is horrific, and to be in an eternal state of no hope! There’s nothing more terrifying to me thinking about being apart from God! 😵💫😢
What is your interpretation of “gnashing of teeth”? Just curious…
@@Surfnaked277 It makes me scared and sick to my stomach because I believe no humans who are living can experience that kind of anguish and torment
Weeping and gashing of teeth is hell when Jesus talk about it and the Book of Matthew whenever you hear gashing and weeping of teeth is talking about hell many would say to Jesus on that day Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thay name have we not cast out demons in Jesus would say depart for me I never knew you you workers of uniquity I cashed you into out of Darkness were there be gashing and weeping of teeth is talking about hell and God forgive me if I got your word if I misspell something or if I didn't get it correctly Forgive Me Lord
Sounds like people who are angry but could be that of pain as well or both.
Great podcast. I tend to think about hell too much. I grew up under mostly hell fire and brimstone preaching. However, I definitely have a fear of the Lord. I'm well aware of the truth about eternal punishment. Nothing to take lightly at all. I'm praying more eyes are opened and hearts softened to hear the precious Holy Spirit.🙏
same
Good news.. there simply is no hell where any human will ever end up, also no punishment, as all punishment came on the Lamb of God, our SCAPEGOAT. IT IS FINISHED!
Also the fear of the Lord is the awe of God! Read 'Song of Songs' in the Bible and come to know the truth that you háve become the Shulamite!
Our Bridgegroom is in love with His Bride, our souls.. this is what Jesus came to save, our thoughts! Matt 18:11
@@eekay5710 so why did Jesus call judas the son of perdition if there is no hell
@@eekay5710 Sorry that's not in scripture. No itching ears here. There is punishment to those who refuse Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. One way one man.. JESUS CHRIST
@@debriggall9459 Keep in mind Jesus was born under the law, before the cross. Old Test.
The cross has made everything new and fresh!
IT IS FINISHED!
Both heaven and hell are not a geographic place, but a state of mind. A good example of someone who experienced hell, was Judas.. but whether people want to hear this or not, Judas was included in the cross-events of Jesus, as Christ is all in ALL.
Rom 3:23 - OT
Rom 3:24 - NT, good news!
Thank you, this Ministry is life saving !
Also, it has additional blessings (found in Proverbs) is that it does not intrude into it's neighbors house 'to often' or 'for to long', nor is it a book-studying 'burden' either.
The Lord is near, the season is now! Amen. God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
Which season is now?
Thank you Lord for this lesson. 😇🙏
a nuanced answer to a question that is tough to answer thank you Lord for your wisdom may we all seek to be as wise as our brother Piper
Amen!🙏🏾🙌🏾 appreciate you preaching the word of God 🥰
Imagine being in a place where you have no promises no hope EVER. Just eternity of regret and pain and HEAT no siiiirr
What is worse for the damned in Hell? A total absence of the awareness of God, or an awareness of God, who is unreachable? I think the latter. For all of you suffering from anxiety, depression, and other sicknesses of the mind, Christ has chosen you to have a very sanitised glimpse of whats to come. Repent and ask Christ to enter into you and heal you. He will only save those who want to be saved. 🔥✝️❤️
‘He will only save those who want to be saved’ - this is so not true!! It’s grace that will save a sinner and hater of God. Never can I thank my King and Savior enough for entering into my heart with His calling when I ‘wanted’ absolutely nothing to do with God and was loving my sinful life.
Was Paul asking Christ into his heart on his way to Damascus? Read what he writes in Romans 9 about those who ‘want’
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
- I know God can also work His grace mysterious, slowly pulling us towards Him. But He is always the First, it wasn’t you. Without Him being first you don’t want to surrender your all to Him.
@@Lena.9 How can you say 'not true'? For the Satan worshippers and 'knowing' Lovers of Evil, who openly reject The Spirit and coax others to reject The Spirit, there is no saving. For the sickness of mind there IS saving, but for the evildoers, there is no saving.
@@paulustarsus
I will focus on two different words in your phrase.
1. He will ONLY save those who want to be saved.
Actually NOBODY wants to be saved. Because nobody seeks God (Psalm 14, Romans 3). Because of our sinful nature we don’t have a true desire for God, quiet the opposite we run away just like Adam and Eve. Nothing good dwells in us (Romans 7), wanting to be saved (not just to escape hell) is good and cannot arise from the sinful flesh.
The true desire to seek and knowing God is worked by the Spirit. And He has ONLY sinful, unwilling haters of God to begin His work in.
2. He will only save those who WANT to be saved
That’s clearly not true. Paul, the Samaritan woman, the demon possessed man at Gadara. They didn’t seek, want or came to Jesus. Jesus came to them and saved them. So again, “it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy”.
@@Lena.9 "Nobody wants to be saved?" Ridiculous statement. Everyone wants to be saved in their physical death throes, whether by drowning, burning, suffocation, etc. So you interpret us as descending into the great darkness and not wanting to be brought into the light? 'Not' wanting to be saved? Take a moment and reflect on what you're advocating, please. 🧐
@@paulustarsus I cited several Bible verses so I probably have taken more than a moment to think about this…
Nobody wants to go to hell, but that doesn’t automatically mean we want to go to heaven. Especially not when that heaven is a place where it’s no longer about you and your desires, but God and God only. This desire to glorify God and sacrifice our lives unto him (Romans 12:1) is true salvation and is a gift of Gods grace and not something that originated in our sinful hearts or what we would ever want or wish for without grace.
I thank God for John Piper's ministry. God has blessed me through his ministry many times over many years. However, on this topic I think he misses a couple of important points, one being a technical point about the Greek, and another being a basic truth about the nature of hell and the final fate of the unrighteous:
1. Here is 2 Thessalonians 1:9
CSB17 2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from [Greek: apo] the Lord's presence and from his glorious strength
The Greek word translated "away from" in some translations and just "from" in others is apo. In some contexts, it could mean something like "away from," but in this context it more likely means just "from" and refers to the source of the "penalty of eternal destruction." In other words, the Lord is the one who causes the eternal destruction of the unrighteous.
2, "eternal destruction" does not mean "eternal torment." The Bible teaches that unbelievers will perish (John 3:16), that God will destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28), and that they will be burned to ashes (2 Peter 2:6). This teaching is sometimes called conditional immortality. If you google either my name and "conditional immortality" or google "Rethinking Hell," you will find a lot of material showing that the Bible teaches conditional immortality and not eternal torment.
Annihilationism?
It just doesn’t make sense that temporal sin would be punished in an eternal way. And everlasting life is reserved for the saved, not the lost. Fear the one who can DESTROY body and soul in hell. Destroy means destroy. That makes sense. Rethinking Hell is a great resource.
@@landrybruder , yes, "conditional immortality" is another (and, imho, better) term for annihilationism. I explain conditional immortality and its biblical basis and its relationship to annihilationism in this 7-minute video: ruclips.net/video/O1myOJb7DGM/видео.html
@@MarkWCorbett1 Thank you! I wish John Piper would see Rev. 14:10 (tormented IN the presence of God in hell) and then reconcile that with 2 Thess. 1:9. I don't know why people simply assume the soul is immortal. Perhaps because Greek philosophy is so prevalent. Socrates said the soul is indestructible. The soul who sins shall die, not live forever in torment.
Eschatology seems to divide some Christians but its something we should all think about. This was a helpful question to dig into.
Let me save you 13 minutes:
Rev 14:
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Psalm 139:
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
So yes, God is present in hell.
Gods word is spirit, therefore not literal. Hell is a myth . Think on this: Fire is used to refine gold ,silver etc, brimstone is used to heal wounds and is a disinfectant used in world war two on wounds. So the words are not literal but spiritual, as God is a consuming fire, but what does He consume? The carnal mind which is the enemy of God.The words in the whole bible are parables, and types and shadows of higher spiritual things. The natural ,carnal mind cannot receive the spiritual words that parables contain, for they are spiritually discerned, by the spirit of God within, if it has been given by God.
@@billygoat5091 what part of eternal destruction do you not understand? They shall have no rest, day or night? Their worm dieth not. Get out of here with your heresy.
@@billygoat5091 How many lies have you told, and what do you call someone who lies? Have you ever stolen something (even when you were small. Even from your parents. Even a sweet), and what do you call someone who steals? Have you ever taken God’s name in vain (very serious; in Old Testament times, the Jews wouldn’t even say the name of God for fear of blasphemy) - even ‘OMG’? Jesus said whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart; have you ever looked with lust? One more: Ever disrespected your parents?
Well I’m not judging you - but if you’ve done these things then you’re a liar, thief, blasphemer, adulterer-at-heart and rebel, so you're not good enough to go to heaven; that’s how seriously God takes sin. He is Holy (perfectly good/righteous and separate from sin) which means that He is perfect in justice; that means that just like a just judge sentences criminals to pay for the wrong they caused, so does God sentence the payment of all sins. If a judge was in front of a guilty criminal and just said "I forgive you. Your crimes don't need to be paid for" that judge would be considered unjust. Justice means all wrong is punished - and if God were to judge you by the moral law (we’ve already looked at 5 commandments) would you be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The answer is hell - the wrath of God upon you for your sin. It is eternal fire, billy goat. Jesus isn't a liar.
But fortunately, God’s will is not that you perish. He wants all men everywhere to be saved. But all sin must be paid for, because he us just. So do you know what He did for us guilty sinners? In self-giving mercy, He sent His Son Jesus Christ to take the punishment for our sins (and here is why - - ->). He lived the perfect life that we should have lived - tempted at all points and yet He NEVER sinned. Through His life, being in very nature God, He revealed God to men; but we in our hatred condemned Him to death. On that cross as Jesus suffered, He took on the sin of the world and was judged in our place; receiving God’s wrath. You and I broke God’s law, but Jesus paid the fine. God can justly forgive us.
On that cross He died, then He was buried, but 3 days later He was raised from the dead - conquering death and Hell and ushering in The Kingdom of God. He then ascended to the right hand of God the Father (where He came from) now Lord of the living and the dead. God has fixed a date when He will judge the world in righteousness. What you need to do is repent (In humility, acknowledge your sin before God and turn to a relationship with Him) and trust ALONE in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross; and God will grant you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then be baptised. Jesus' perfect righteousness will be accredited to you and you can stand in a relationship with the God of the Universe, a Father. If you repent and believe the gospel.
ROMANS 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
@@cjames9320please C James, I do agree with you, but temper your words with less aggressivness, especially on matters which do not concern salvation. whether or not non believers are 'burnt up' or 'eternally burnt', does not take away from the urgency for people to turn to Christ. Saying "Get out of here" seems a bit abrasive
@@troywright359 i will not temper my language for that's the language that Jesus used. If you have a problem with the way Jesus talked about hell, bring it up with him.
If only I had read much more Bible from a young age and knew what I knew today. Plus if only I thought more about hell. Not knowing about certain verses in the Bible is very, very, very dangerous. If only you could live your life over😢
God bless you so much
"These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, AWAY from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might" 2 Thess. 1:9
How could Paul write this if God is omnipresent? Simple:
They are tormented IN the presence of God and then completely consumed - eternal death/destruction/punishment AWAY from the presence of God. They never live again. It will be as if they never existed, as it is written in Obadiah. The wages of sin is death, not "the wages of sin is eternal life suffering."
The punishment of hell is not accompanied by the gift of eternal life. Ps 37:10-20, John 3:16, Obadiah 16-18, Mal 4:1-3
Psalm 139:8 "If I ascend to the heavens, You are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, You are there."
He is everywhere. Being in the presence of God while still having the guilt of all Your sins would literally burn you incomprehensibly-- meaning hell. Not to mention, our God is an all-consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29)
*"...If I make my bed in **--Sheol--** the grave, You are there."* And yes, God _is_ an all-consuming fire, leaving not a root or a branch. When all is said and done, nothing will be left of sinners but ashes.
✴ _“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. … Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty._ (Malachi 4: 1;3, NIV)
Amen thank you
Any brother and sister in the LORD JESUS CHRIST ARMY pray for me
Presence and awareness of what’s going on are different. Who really knows for sure what is going on?
God is omnipresent,
The only way to be away from the presence of an omnipresent God is to cease to exist. No contradiction prov 12:7
Jesus Christ went to the cross and now lives to set sinful you free from death and hell. Repent and turn your heart to Him before it’s too late. If He calls your heart, say yes!
Hi pastor john. Been listening almost a year. And I’ve asked you on your RUclips I’ve spread your RUclips but
What am I meant to do with the hate in my heart, the anger The complete disregard for human life and the fact I’m self aware enough to know all it’s bringing me is despair and sorrow and loneliness because I myself can’t control it. Especially without stupid tablets. Tablets I wish I could throw away and know I would be okay enough that if I did and ended up harming someone then it was me all along and not nothing to do with doctors or anything along them lines. I’ve had enough pastor john. I’ve removed family from my life. I’ve only gotten worse as I’ve gotten older (now 27)
In saying that I do get moments of joy I try to remember them when things are happening that involve anger of my heart but in saying that
Life’s pretty good hallelujah. It’s the petty heart of hate that’s the problem. It leads to resenting so much and not blaming anyone or anything I truly believe it’s been the length of time I’ve spent in this pain. You’ve preached in Ireland you should know my race except I’m a Scottish traveler. Not Irish. I Know this’ll sound a bit left field but I knew this was going to happen. I knew I’d end up here. Once upon a time I used to want to settle down. Minister and be married. Now I know I couldn’t ever be that person. Not a lack of faith. Just it’s honestly too late that’s why I’m asking about the heart of hate and not finding a spouse to destroy two maybe more lives. Or to be a minister because I don’t think people should preach as I don’t take from the table unless I’ve felt I’ve settled whatever sin is in my heart and soul before I can accept the breaking of the bread. It’s long enough I’ll leave it at that
Love in Christ Jesus
Alec McPhee. Age 27, Scotland
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Please help
Hi Alex, I know how you feel I want to get into ministry myself but I have alot of hate in my heart and I feel like sometimes God can't bless me because of my sin I also want to be married and have that life but I need to get rid of my anger and resentment. And I think I found a solution so to speak, proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding if you know anything about meditation which I'm sure you do, your told to enter a certain state of mind that's empty and it will bring you peace by focusing on your breath, as Christians we are told to trust God and lean not on our understanding in the same way we kind of parallel that state except ours is the way it should be. We should focus on God and empty our mind, fill it with scripture and meditate daily (which means to mutter and ponder on the things of God) don't worry about other people or their lives, God is in control always let God's love fill you and may the grace of our lord be with you always. Hope this helps bless you brother.
Hey man, I've struggled with anger a lot myself. My anger comes from a past of dealing with chronic pain, not trusting God fully, things people have said/done to me and being tormented by demons. I am a born again Christian who tries to do what good I can and help others and I am good at holding my anger around people unless someone had extreme violent intent towards me, in that situation I think I would lose control completely. I have suffered from extreme anger/sadness for years alone and people do not know this other side of me. I have a couple suggestions for you. 1st thing I would suggest is to place God at the highest possible place in your heart. Make Jesus Lord of your life and dedicate your life to the Lord completely. Pray continuously and ask God for help. God listens more readily to those who place him in a place of importance. 2nd thing I would say is to seek deliverance. Demons or unclean spirits, whatever you want to call them are real and although I know I have been saved, I have been absolutely tortured in many ways from the presence of these things. I hate them. We are dealing with a real enemy in satan and his servants which will always try to hit us at our weak points. We must have God who is unchanging and is infinitely strong as our rock. He gives us strength because we are completely powerless in ourselves. It has been an ongoing journey for me learning to live with all this. I am also unmarried and I admit sometimes that it can bring sadness, thinking of the love that could be in my life but I am dedicated to God and if I receive that love or not should not really matter in the long run. Find out your calling through Jesus and admit weaknesses/sin to God and seek his presence because the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23). We are not perfect and I am not free from this problem myself but if you get on the right path, in time things can get better and you will have a true God ordained purpose for your life.
@@willc539 God bless you. I’m sorry you are experiencing the pain as I am. Physically and mentally
You nailed it. You understand it and I’m sorry for that. I know what it’s like too much. Being so young as people say I don’t want to go that road of being as you said that other side. But it’s born of lost love or a long time of suffering. Please know this is my own account the other one I’ll reply if you need me to but I use this one mostly
My heart is broken. And I’m scared, truly scared of being overcame by evil and doing something unforgivable
But I trust jesus as the head of my table. I trust Gods will more than mine. I am scum of the earth he is the salt I am a dark mess he is the light.
I’m here for you brother don’t ever forget that please. Maybe this is the start to something amazing we can both grown as brothers in Christ jesus and maybe find enough love from jesus to fully heal and that will be sufficient.
God bless. Your brother in Christ
Alex McPhee from Scotland 🏴
@@alexmcphee6789 I know that God is sovereign and my pain can be used for good. Yours can be used for good also if you will work with the Lord completely and wholeheartedly. I have had so many moments though in the past where I could not see any greater good in my situation so I'm no stranger to feeling hopeless. I believe that God uses our pain to do something better for us and others in the long run. I feel going through all of this, I was an atheist for a large part of my life (I am 27 now) and through all of this horrible experience I can council or comfort others in the faith. Throughout my journey back to Christ, I came to understand concepts such as why forgiveness is so important, why talking behind the backs of others or acting in rude/negative ways towards others is so much more dangerous than we think, etc. The suffering is a catalyst for growth in ways that no other stimulus can be. If I was joyous and happy all these years, I would not have realized these things. I am very casual in the way that I speak with God and if he asked me would I return to do it all again or was it worth it, I would tell him I'd rather be in heaven hanging out honestly, this reality is difficult and painful and not what I would have wished.
I believe I am currently entering a new season in life with new opportunities and hopefully things will start to look up, as things are changing. Even if we are not fully healed here, we will be in heaven. I had an experience with God a few weeks ago where the Holy Spirit was strong within me and I was able to pray in tongues. I was able to speak to God in my head and ask questions and he led me through the pages of the bible for answers. When I asked what I am supposed to do, I was taken to Numbers ch 6 about the law of the Nazarite and shown that I am to dedicate my life to God completely as a Nazarite would. When I asked for an answer on my business/purpose here I was shown Genesis ch 19 where Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. I focused in verses 12-13 which say: The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here-sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
I understood that I am to be a messenger to warn people to get right with God because the times we are living in are serious and the judgment of God is coming. When I asked what time period we are in, I got Revelation chapter 8, the seventh seal being opened just before the trumpets are to sound. I just want to warn you/also encourage you to keep your eyes on the Lord in these times. Give your life to him completely and walk in the Spirit of God so that you don't stumble or fall. Repent of any and all sins and develop your relationship with him through Jesus Christ. I hope you find your Godly calling man and I wish you all the best. We will meet in heaven someday. God bless.
@@willc539 hallelujah. At least your trying. Pastor john has a video about how and when God the abba father increases our faith. It’s pretty good
And it’s funny you brought up sodom and gamorrah. Truly, where I’m living right now I’ve never seen so many ‘disgusting’ people. Men dressed as women. Men and men. I find it so repulsive. Why I haven’t been arrested i have no idea yet. But maybe that’s my problem. I didn’t mind them when it was kept quiet. When it wasn’t taught in schools and forced down peoples throats but now?
Lord please do another sodom and gamorrah because honestly I cannot physically take looking at them any longer
I just turned 27 too. I’ll change the subject for us
See if you Google ucb and navigate to the word for today ? Maybe that might help you too
And there’s verse of the day as well
And pastor john. And I’m always here
It’s good your taking what the enemy has done and reverting it back to the will of God
You can help others. I believe you can. You’ve helped me already just knowing I’m not alone. I pray you find peace comfort and prosperity. I pray you find a beautiful woman to call your wife. I pray you have beautiful, fit and healthy children and I pray to see you in heaven with all the blessings the lord jesus has given you
So far Hell is the Place where God's physical is absent but His Judgement and Wrath is present.
In relation to 2 Thess 1:9, I suppose the answer lays within what context the Greek word [apo/from] is being used. In the following example at Matt 7:23, [apo] is being used within the context of “sending away” from.
Matt 7:23:- “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart [apo/from] me, ye that work iniquity”.
The above, in relation to 2 Thess 1:9, would mean the subject suffers destruction by being sent “away from” the Lord's presence.
However, the usage of [apo] could be understood within a differing context; as shown in Matt:12:38, 12:48.
Matt 12:38:- “Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign [apo/from] thee.
The above, in relation to 2 Thess 1:9, would mean the subject would suffer the destructive power coming “from” the presence of the Lord. In which case; it would correlate with Rev 14:10.
Peace
Don't be troubled, be still
As a believer, I grieve for the lost who are already there, and I always ask God to be merciful on those who are there. I really wish he would of chose to destroy the souls of the lost instead of allowing them to suffer for eternity.
I feel it is completely unfair that mankind is punished eternally for choices made during a finite life. Is God really only giving us 100 years or so to determine our final destination....
I have many genuine questions that I honestly have to ask God face to face...like why even create Lucifer knowing full well he was going to cause such destruction....
The Bible does not teach an ever burning hell. God is just and I pray you will read His word and know there are different interpretations than this conclusion. The Spirit brings you to the truth of God’s word. Study the different views and ask God to show you the truth of His character. I think you will be satisfied with the real God in scripture, loving..fair…just.
Commandojenkings i have these questions also for a long time. I just dont understand it. But after 10 years i had to let it go. I have my own answer and thats enough for me. Hope you will find rest in these difficult subjects.
@@leeleedart1367 I believe most of the brethren have an inaccurate view/ interpretation of what “hell” is. Certainly including me!! Most rely mostly on tradition instead of hitting the Good Book hard and often.
@@leeleedart1367
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Revelation 20:10
Seems pretty clear.
@@douglasmcnay644 - to the extent that Rev 20:10 is "clear" (and I think it's a vision, not intended to be taken literally but to be self-interpreted) it clearly and specifically says the 3 most wicked figures in all of human history will be tormented forever. It does NOT say, explicitly or implicitly, that all humans apart from the gift of salvation will also be tormented forever.
In contrast, 2 Thess 1:9-10 clearly says of all of the persecutors of the Thessalonian believers, as well as all who disobey the gospel, that they "will pay the penalty of eternal destruction ... when He comes, on that day" (CSB, see also KJV and Greek). This matches Jesus's assertion that the fearsome thing about gehenna is God's power to destroy body and soul. Those are, I would claim, both "clear" and more significantly pertain to us. And they do not mention eternal torment; they are about being destroyed and hence not existing.
I think the best way to harmonise 2 Thess 1:9 and Rev 14:10 is simply to assume that when 2 Thess 1:9 says that the damned will suffer away from the Lord's presence, it just means away from the blessing-giving aspect of his presence.
Hell doesn't have to mean the absence of God's presence in every respect, but as far as God's presence is a blessing, the damned miss out on this completely.
This has always been my interpretation too
Where God's presence is absent, that means his presence is absent. Dont twist the scriptures
@@exaucemayunga22 Then where His presence is, that means His presence isn't absent like in other parts of the scripture on hell like when Jesus said the one's that didn't want Him as King would be slaughtered in His presence/before Him. There's no contradictions in the Bible so clearly there's a way that these two statements are a reality. It's not twisting the scriptures to try to seek an understanding of what is laid out
English not my 1st language. i translated this from a book in our language of someone who knows the Greek very well.
The word 'hell' was never part of the Bible. It was brought in when the church decided to take more control of the people.
The most general words are the Hebrew word Sheoul and the Greek words Gehenna, Tartaro and Hades.
SHEOUL is not hell. It simply is a resting place where people go once they 'die'. (we are spirit, and spirit never dies). King David knew he was going to Sheoul: Ps 49:16 + 88:4; Jacob in Gen 37:35 and Hiskia in Isaiah 38:10 Those three people obviously would never ended up in 'hell', which is proof that Sheoul is not hell.
HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. That's why Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 9 that they are blind.
In Matt 11:23 + Luke 10:15 Jesus is referring to Capernaum who will be brought down to the debt of hell, because the people did not believe in the miracles he has performed. Its not the péople who will brought down to Hades, but a city! It was a symbolic way of Jesus to tell the people in those city that the were spiritual blind. The same in Matt 16:18
GEHENNA. This word is used 12x in the Bible, whereof 11x by Jesus himself. Matt 5:22 is referring to this word. Gehenna is a valley outside of Jerusalem with the name Gai Hinnon, or sometimes Gai Hinnom. It was a valley that belonged to the sons of Hinnon, and also years ago children were offered to idol Molloch. Later this place were used for the combustion of bodies etc and Gehenna end up with the association of death. Jesus never used the word Hell, but Gehenna.
TARTAROSAS This word appears only once in the Bible: 2Pe 2:4 Petrus is using this word as a place where people are held captivity and not as a place in the dark underworld. This word also refers only to the demonic world and not a place where people will go for punishment once they 'died'.
-Pierre Grigor
Lazarus and the rich man in Luke
16:19-31 This is only a parable. The rich man represents the Israelites who reveived the law of God plus the prophets. The beggar represents the gentiles. In this parable Jesus is talking about 2 dispensations: the law and grace.
@@eekay5710 What Jesus called gehanna, is what we describe when we use the word hell. Jesus spoke of outer darkness, weeping, and gnashing of teeth. Jesus talked about a furnace. Jesus called it Gehenna, we use the word hell today but we're talking about the same place.
It's just like how Jesus' name was Yeshua. The Jews and people of His time would've said "Yeshua," but we say "Jesus" today. Different words because of different languages but the same Person is being described. Same with Gehenna and hell.
Also the Rich man and Lazarus can't be about Israelites and Gentiles because the rich man and Lazarus are both Jews and the rich man never is or can be saved, it was too late for him. The law also cant be the rich man because the law is good and holy and therefore, even symbolically couldn't be subject to destruction or torment. In that parable, Abraham makes it clear that the resulting afterlife of both the rich man and Lazarus was their final judgement for their lives on earth. The law cant be judged and Israel isn't cut off as a whole because the gospel was given to them first.
No matter how we try to avoid it, hell or Gehenna as Jesus called it, is still a reality. He said souls would be judged, there would be a fire that isn't quenched, He warned people to repent and not perish, and said it lasts forever. So we can call it by any name but the reality of those circumstances in that place remains true.
How come desiring God is quiet about the overturning of roe v wade?
Absent. Once you go there, it's game over. You never get out.
Nothing is impossible for God.
If you are going to take 7 minutes to get to the answer, you should put chapter markers in!!!
In the psalms David says if I go down to Sheol you are there .... Is Sheol the old testament word for hell?
"Sheol" = the grave. David was basically saying that even when he dies, God will be able to see him.
sheol is the old testament word for "hell", and as The Eternal Believer says, it means the grave.
hades is the greek word for "hell" but it also means the grave. you can confirm this by having scripture define scripture. hades is translated from sheol via the greek old testament, the septuagint.
"hell" only means the grave. there is no "hell" as in an eternal subterranean torture chamber. that is never spoken of in scripture, but imposed by the reader. this is exactly why "hades" (the grave) has no victory - because of the resurrection.
1 Cor 15:55 "O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?"
read through this chapter in its context and its clearly talking all about the resurrection of the dead. this specific verse is a quote from Hosea 13:14 which makes it clear its talking about the grave.
Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave, I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues. O Grave, I will be your destruction!"
the grave has no victory because of the resurrection, which Christ is the firstborn of (Rev 1:5).
it doesn't make sense that Hades means "hell", because if i were to ask you what is the "lake of fire"? you'd say, "hell". well Rev 20:14 says "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
few things wrong with this passage if most peoples interpretation of "hell" is correct. #1 hell being cast into hell to be destroyed, that doesn't make any sense. #2 second death? but people believe people are tormented in hell forever and not actually dead. so that makes no sense.
i personally prefer to believe scripture over mans interpretation and presupposed beliefs. and if a mans interpretation of scripture doesn't align with other scriptures, then the interpretation is incorrect, not scripture.
God cannot be measured. There's nothing that can encompass Him. We cannot cover Him through created things.
When David said where can I go from Your presence? He mentioned God being in Hades.
God's presence is different in each place. In Hell, what's present is God's eternal judgment.
define hades - biblically
@@junk3996 grave before the eternal judgment
@@LitoLochoss precisely. grave
What does Omnipresent Spirit of Almighty Father God MEAN TO YOU? DOES AN ALLPRESENT SPIRIT OF ALMIGHTY GOD NOT EXIST ANYWHERE? HE WON'T EXIST IN A PLACE HE CREATED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS? WOE TO WHO? ARE HIRELINGS IN TROUBLE WITH KING OF KINGS SOON? WHO LEFT THEIR RICHES TO TRULY DESIRE GOD IN BETHLEHEM BAPTIST CHURCH??
God can be everywhere unlike Satan or any other created being but that does not mean that he can not choose to be where God wishes to be.
God is Only a Sovereign as to his word.
There are many things God can not do.
Unfortunately humans can, this does not make God bless but rather more.
God can not tell a lie.i can but that does not make me more powerful than God.
Omni powerful, present etc. needs clarification as how John Piper explains this in his expose
I’m guessing it’s kind of like the rich man and Lazarus, and how the rich man was able to look up to heaven and see Lazarus and Abraham.
Neither the rich man nor Lazarus was in heaven for that conversation. Prior to Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection all people went to Sheol (translated as Hades in the Septuagint). Sheol was divided by a great chasm. On one side of the chasm was Paradise/Abraham's bosom and the other side was the place of torment. It wasn't until after Jesus' death/burial/resurrection that believers went to heaven when they die. All of the people that were on the paradise/Abraham's bosom side of Sheol are now in heaven too. Most? scholars teach that Jesus went to Sheol to get the people on the Paradise side to take them to heaven (they say that is where he went when his body was in the tomb before he was resurrected). Jesus said the the thief on the cross next to Him "Today you will be with me in Paradise". There is nothing in the Bible that indicates someone in Sheol can communicate with someone in Heaven.
@@mailjamesthomas i think so too of your point. just like when king David said in Psalm 16:9-10
Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices;
my flesh also dwells secure.
For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.
is the rich man and lazarus teaching a literal teaching of what heaven/hell represent? obviously not, since it isn't what you believe heaven and hell to be exactly.
that tale is a parable - best to look into what the parable represents, instead of presupposing your belief into it for confirmation bias
@@junk3996 ?
@@jordanpryor4771 ruclips.net/video/Oo3cVc7X_F0/видео.html
Hell is any place outside the kingdom of the LORD. The book of Revelation gives a description of the new heaven and earth (the New Jerusalem), it has walls with twelve gates. If you are within the walls you are with the LORD, if you are not you are in hell. Thats my interpretation.
Is God Omnipresent? If yes, then He should be present in Hell, right?
Yes, in that sense God is present in hell.
But when 2 Thess 1:9 talks about being away from the presence of the Lord, it means away from his presence insofar as his presence brings blessing. This kind of God's presence doesn't exist in hell.
@@maxaplin4204 I guess another good explanation of this is anyone who is in hell is completely away from God's grace while they will receive the full wrath of God in hell
@@bryanbernardo5808 Yes, the idea is about being away from his grace, his blessing, everything beneficial that God gives.
I don't want to go to hell
Hell is the grave. The wicked are burned up, never to exist again. John 3:16
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
Revelation 20:10
If they are able to be tormented forever and ever, sounds like they would have to exist forever and ever...
@@douglasmcnay644 you first should go back to the orginal language and get a proper translation. you can know this one is slightly off by dozens upon dozens of other scriptures.
what Mike says is correct. Hell is the grave. this is very easily confirmed by doing a scripture word study on the words translated "hell". Sheol for hebrew, and Hades for greek.
if i asked you what the "lake of fire" was, you'd say hell, but alas Rev 20:14 says "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
#1 how can hell be cast into hell to be destroyed? that makes no sense.
#2 second death? you don't believe anything dies in "hell", but it kept alive to torment forever and ever.
Gods the king of hell... he's the king of everything!
I'm struggling with the question of how could Jesus bear hell instead of me, if he doesn't was in hell, but "only" died on the cross? How does the mechanism of salvation works? I know that Christ's death has eternal value for me and it is testified und confirmed beyond any doubt by the Lords Resurrection. But I don't understand exactly WHY. Thank you for your answers and sorry for my bad English (German is my mother tongue).
He died for you because He loves you.
it doesn't make sense why, depending on your definition of hell
Markus, several weeks ago I made a video where I address the exact question you ask. I hope it might be helpful:
ruclips.net/video/OMk9mnp6nBc/видео.html
Hallo Markus, liebe Grüße aus Finnland! The death and resurrection of Christ as the way of obtaining salvation for men make the most sense in the framework of the doctrine called Conditional Immortality. In this view, (physical) life and death are important themes that run throughout the storyline of Scripture, from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. A lot could be said here, but the short version is that Adam sinned and brought death into the world, losing the possibility of immortality, but the sinless Christ died and through his resurrection, brought eternal life to those who are united with him through faith (see for instance Romans 5 and 6 and 1 Corinthians 15).
Jesus had to take upon himself the judgment that our sins deserve, but as you pointed out, what Jesus did was not suffer eternal torment, but rather he died a painful and shameful death. There should not be anything "only" about that, but the way most people understand the doctrine of hell tends to make the actual death of Christ less meaningful. We have to understand that death is what justice looks like in the Bible, and as Paul said, the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). What is commonly called hell is the second death, when the wicked are raised to face judgment and are sentenced to death from which there is no return. Death is the eternal punishment of the wicked; immortal life belongs only to those who are "in Christ".
So Jesus bore hell instead of you by dying on the cross because death is what your sins deserve. You would have deserved being sentenced to that kind of painful and shameful death on the Day of Judgment, and nothing in you would merit a resurrection, so your punishment would be eternal. But Jesus, being sinless, did not deserve to remain dead, and he was raised on the third day in immortal glory, never to die again, and this kind of resurrection you will also share in since you have placed your trust in Jesus and believe that he died on your behalf. To God be glory!
@@mattandelinprather2621 , great explanation!
Don’t know. In fact, don’t really know what exactly “hell” is. And.. neither does anyone else so this question is kinda “ the cart before the horse”.
exactly. they first need to define the term hell to get a proper understanding of what they're even talking about
I believe Lord descended into hell and is Lord , even of hell . So knowing this , when I feel my turmoil , I can account even unto the Lord . Whether the judgement is hell or not , if it is the Lord’s - it is right
I believe this too
Apokatastasis. Shalom.
Let's get into some Greek. εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων means in the age of the ages. εἰς [in] τοὺς [the] αἰῶνας [age] τῶν [of the] αἰώνων [ages], but somehow got translated into forever and ever in Revelation 20:10. If you want more info watch some videos on the word aion or aionios.
you should be translating hades instead to get a better grasp what its talking about. have scripture define scripture. impart no presuppositional beliefs
@@junk3996 I am aware of the mistranslation of Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, and Tartarus into hell.
@@popoffs5273 sweet!
yeah gotta love the translational biases.
What’s the difference?
Is God present or absent in Hell? Is that the same as asking do Leprechauns live at the bottom of volcanos? LOL
Is volcano real?
@@ng8544 LOL they may be.
it would beneficial if you did a word search through scripture for the word "hell" and let scripture define the term. "hell" is "sheol" in hebrew and "hades" in greek. look up every single instance its used throughout scripture and let the bible define the term. im confident you'll find it doesn't mean what you think it means, or want it to mean.
you will conclude drastically different teachings in scripture about the term "hell" depending how you define it.
Whachu believe?
@@ZachFish- i believe what the bible says
what does the bible say? this is what is up for debate, and i don't expect you to believe what i tell you the bible says. which is why the original comment encourages people to look for themselves what the bible says.
if you want the spoiler alert version: "hell" is referring to the grave. when you die, you go to the grave until you're resurrected and made alive again. at this point you go to the kingdom, the promised restored creation, or you go to the lake of fire where you're killed, snuffed out of existence
oh death, where is your sting? oh hades (hell) where is your victory?
there isn't victory in the grave, because Jesus walked out of it.
this is exactly what baptism symbolizes as well. dying, being buried, and being resurrected.
there is no "heaven" and there is no "hell" in the tradition sense. they do not exist, and are never spoken of or taught throughout scripture at all.
this boils down to the immortality of the soul. you do not have an immortal soul, and thus when your body dies there is no place it needs to go. but rather you are a soul, made up of the spirit (breath) of God and your body (fashioned from earth). together they make a living breathing soul. remove one or the other and you no longer are a living breathing soul. you're dead.
"but what about, but what about"
just read scripture for what it says. remove your bias, presupposed beliefs, and allow scripture to influence your beliefs rather than your belief influence what scripture says
@@junk3996 I was reading comments in a couple of videos for a few hours, and you summarized where I’ve been leaning, but I was wondering about those who hold to that view what their thoughts are on Lazarus and the Rich man.
Usually people coincide that with the Old Testament “view of hell” / souls go to Sheol awaiting the judgment (the saved being united with Jesus in heaven after the cross).
Idk about all of that, but that’s my main hesitancy, how that was seemingly an actual place where souls are (not the ECT divider of heaven and hell).
So basically~ If it isn’t the heaven and hell after judgement, it can’t be non existent death, so what is it if not that Old Testament view of Sheol many hold to?
@@ZachFish- this is a good question
allow me to flush this out a little bit, #1 as to why it can't be what they say
so yes most people hold the idea that abrahams bosom is like a holding place (not heaven, cause Jesus didn't die on their behalf yet) for the old testament saints. and when Jesus died He allegedly went to abrahams bosom, gathered the saints, and took them up into heaven at that point
again this is all presupposing the immortal soul, that something lives on after you die, which the old testament more than the new absolutely refutes to a crazy degree
so why isn't this the case? well the same people that believe the above explanation, believe that Jesus told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise that day (today). but then in their belief they must believe that Jesus went to hell when He died to #1 pay the penalty for death, and #2 preach to the spirits in chains in prison, and #3 to conquer hell. they can't have it both ways.
Jesus didn't go to "paradise" or bring the OT saints to heaven because Jesus Himself says after being resurrected, not to touch Him because He has not yet ascended to the Father. again can't have it both ways.
as for the rich man and lazarus story specifically. this story is obviously not a depiction of heaven and hell, because that is not what they believe heaven and hell to be, not literally. so the story must not be a literal teaching of heaven and hell. again can't have it both ways.
if its a literal story, then that is precisely what heaven and hell look like, as in you can see those in hell and communicate with them etc etc
there are many other ways as to why this story cannot possibly be a literal teaching of heaven and hell, and i'll provide some links later which i believe touch on some more of those as well.
so what is it then? its a parable. its the final parable in a string of parables. why do i think its a parable even though "it would be the only parable with a named person", because the named person is representing someone important to the story.
its a parable because chapters before (Luke...5? 7? 9? i forget which) Jesus Himself promises to not speak to the scribes and pharisees plainly. in this parable in luke 16 it is a string of parables, the final one, in which He is addressing the scribes and pharisees, so He wouldn't be speaking to them in plain language but rather, a parable.
Lazarus is named because that character represents Jesus. the meaning of the parable is essentially Jesus saying to the Pharisees, "look, you guys are our, me and my possy are in" (paraphrase). Jesus is kicking them out of authority, and the elders right to the birthright of Abraham, the inheritance. this no longer belongs to them, but belongs to Jesus the Christ the son of the living God.
the cool thing is, is Jesus basically summed this up to the same audience before, accounted in John 5:46-47. very similar warning.
for more specific in depth study and explanation of the details of this specific parable, you can view these teaching videos
ruclips.net/video/Oo3cVc7X_F0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/VEznx8fZSp4/видео.html
these are taken from this series,
www.4windsfellowships.net/bbi_03.html
(3rd module out of 12)
now, while directly answering this objection/question may be helpful, the more helpful thing would be to go in depth through the OT as to why exactly immortality of the soul cannot possibly exist/be, thus that would instantly negate any such interpretation of luke 16s parable.
so i encourage you to at least skim through the notes of the 4winds website BBI module 3, from the other prior teachings to the lazarus explanation.
another thing to keep in mind is, the hebrews did not believe in an immortal soul at all, for the cultural and historical context, and wouldn't have understood Jesus words in that way either.
@@junk3996 Ty, but I don’t see how the mainline Sheol view is discounted still (a lot of conditional immorality folks still believe in it).
Hell isn’t a place. There’s no place of eternal torment. The opposite of eternal life is eternal non existence…Hell is God. God is the consuming fire. Hell is the presence of God that makes sin nonexistent. God is light an we go to dwell with Christ who’s in the light…read Shadraq meshaq an anednego..the guards died opening the doors…John wrote the same story in revelation.
*Is God Present or Absent in Hell?* The correct answer is: God is not in hell. That is because there is no such thing as hell. None of the four Greek and Hebrew words mis-translated as "hell" in the KJV (and others) represents a place of eternal conscious torment.
Jesus used two words for the fate of the wicked beyond this life - Hades and Gehenna. Both words have been translated 'hell.' This assumes that Hades and Gehenna are the same place. This assumption is questionable, at least.
Look closely and what Jesus and the Bible say about Hades and Gehenna. You will see that people go to Hades after they die, after this life, and people go to Gehenna after Final Judgement. In Acts 2 Peter talks about Hades quoting Psalm 16. In the OT Psalm 16 has the Hebrew name Sheol where the NT has the Greek name Hades. Hades and Sheol are names for the same place. Hades / Sheol is the terrible remand prison for the unrepentant, unforgiven, before Final Judgement. Gehenna is the eternal lire, the lake of fire, after Final Judgement.
Psalm 138 says that God is present even in Sheol. Therefore God is present even in Hades. Rev 14:9-11 is about Hades, in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. This part of Rev 14 comes before the Great Throne Judgement - just read on in the chapter.. The translations 'in the presence of...' are better than 'in the distant vision of...'
At the Final Judgement Jesus says to the unrepentant 'Depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' Elsewhere, Jesus calls this fire Gehenna. Therefore Jesus is not present in Gehenna.
Both the verses can be understood at face value, as long as we recognise that they are talking about 2 different places, to which Jesus gave the different names, Hades and Gehenna.
English not my 1st language. i translated this from a book in our language of someone who knows the Greek very well.
The word 'hell' was never part of the Bible. It was brought in when the church decided to take more control of the people.
The most general words are the Hebrew word Sheoul and the Greek words Gehenna, Tartaro and Hades.
SHEOUL is not hell. It simply is a resting place where people go once they 'die'. (we are spirit, and spirit never dies). King David knew he was going to Sheoul: Ps 49:16 + 88:4; Jacob in Gen 37:35 and Hiskia in Isaiah 38:10 Those three people obviously would never ended up in 'hell', which is proof that Sheoul is not hell.
HADES simply means 'not to see'. Spiritual blindness. That's why Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 9 that they are blind.
In Matt 11:23 + Luke 10:15 Jesus is referring to Capernaum who will be brought down to the debt of hell, because the people did not believe in the miracles he has performed. Its not the péople who will brought down to Hades, but a city! It was a symbolic way of Jesus to tell the people in those city that the were spiritual blind. The same in Matt 16:18
GEHENNA. This word is used 12x in the Bible, whereof 11x by Jesus himself. Matt 5:22 is referring to this word. Gehenna is a valley outside of Jerusalem with the name Gai Hinnon, or sometimes Gai Hinnom. It was a valley that belonged to the sons of Hinnon, and also years ago children were offered to idol Molloch. Later this place were used for the combustion of bodies etc and Gehenna end up with the association of death. Jesus never used the word Hell, but Gehenna.
TARTAROSAS This word appears only once in the Bible: 2Pe 2:4 Petrus is using this word as a place where people are held captivity and not as a place in the dark underworld. This word also refers only to the demonic world and not a place where people will go for punishment once they 'died'.
-Pierre Grigor
Lazarus and the rich man in Luke
16:19-31 This is only a parable. The rich man represents the Israelites who reveived the law of God plus the prophets. The beggar represents the gentiles. In this parable Jesus is talking about 2 dispensations: the law and grace.
I haven't watched the video, and I'm not going to, but the answer is neither, because there's no such place as 'hell' - it's not in the Bible, and it's a lot of medieval Catholic nonsense!
I can't believe people would presume to teach, without first understanding God's wonderful word...
Please watch the video and look up the verses in context in your Bible because yes it does. I think you are confusing hell and purgatory.
Amen! I agree, Super J.
@@IsaacNussbaum God bless bro.
Do you love GOD out of what he will do to you that's not love , how could you truly believe that GOD would put you in a place of skin melting fire, for trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of years, that goes against his nature ,
God is just. Instead of us saying what He can or cannot be, let Him speak for Himself.
@@douglasmcnay644 he does daily through the HOLY SPIRIT
1 Peter 1:15-16
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
John 8:11
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Romans 6:12
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Romans 8:12-13
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
John 5:14
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Hebrews 12:14
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.
Romans 11:21-22
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Ephesians 5:27
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Ezekiel 18:26-27
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
God is absent in hell!! That's what makes hell so painful,miserable and lonely.
Why Jeffrey Dahmer is in Heaven.
Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer who murdered and ate his victims, believed in Jesus as his Lord and savior in his jail cell before he died.
John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Heaven is not a place for “good” people. Heaven is for whosoever believes in Jesus.
This goes to show you that it doesn’t matter who you are or what you’ve done, the Power and Glory of God’s grace is sufficient to save anyone. And once you’re saved you’re always saved.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Just believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and you’re saved. No attending church, no getting religious, no pretending to be holier than thou. The Bible is clear. Just believe to be saved.
Doing ANY kind of works to be saved is a slap in the face of God. You’re telling him that His free gift of salvation, Jesus dying on that cross, was not sufficient to save you.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
John 6:47, KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 6:29
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the will of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
heaven is not for whoever believes in Jesus, for even the devils believe - and tremble! James 2:19
Jesus says Himself, whoever hears my words and DOES them, I will liken him to a wise man who builds his house on the rock. but whoever hears my words and does not do them, I will liken him to a fool who builds his house on the sand. it will fall, and great was its fall. Matt 7:24-27
obedience is the determining factor. i know many get wrapped up in the whole "words vs grace" argument, but obedience is not a work, its a requirement by Jesus' own words
@@junk3996 Galatians 1:8
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
John 3:16 KJV: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
John 6:47, KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 3:36
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 6:29
“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the will of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
@@garrettstrong9606 yeah. "believing" and "belief" are conditional to if you're obeying or not.
if i tell you your house is on fire, and you say "i believe you" but you don't leave...you clearly don't believe me.
if you think "belief" is enough, without obedience, then you also believe that demons are saved by their belief - and that Jesus' own words are wrong. congradulations. now you're choosing your own doctrine and belief over clear plain teaching by scripture.
even just a couple passages earlier than one of the key passages highlighted in this video, 2 Thess 1:8 states :in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do NOT OBEY the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Jesus Himself will say "depart from me, you who practice lawlessness". if you're not obeying, and still practicing sin - you will be rejected. its time to get off the fluffy garbage "gospel" that makes obedience optional, when all throughout scripture its a commandment and requirement.
hell is Godless that's why it's terrible
I'm afraid it is much worse than that. People who don't love God wouldn't want to be with him. Hell will be punishment even for those people who don't want to be with God, torturous is what the Bible says.
You have not uttered a single public word of thanksgiving regarding the biggest answer to prayer in 49 years. Are you afraid some credit may accrue to Donald Trump?
"Is God Present or Absent in Hell?"
Kind Sir..I believe Jesus (who is the only true God)...is NOT in hell...
Also; I believe the hell; where satan and all non Born Again's are going; does NOT exist now. And will not exist until "Judgment Day" when Jesus creates a hell; just before He creates the JD.
When Jesus (in the Old Heaven); separates His "Sheep: (Born Again's) from satan's "Goats" (Non Born Again's). And Jesus' 600 million true Angels; moves us (Born Again's) to Jesus' Right hand.
Then Jesus (with one powerful left hand) casts EVERY Goat into that hell. Where He had already cast satan (right after He created hell) into that "Burning Lake of Fire!" (hell). Where satan's "False prophet" and his "Beast" (which I believe is satan's 200 million "Fallen" Angels. Also called "Demons") were the first to go to hell.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil (satan) that deceived them (ALL non Born Again's from creation) was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And then, Jesus commands His Angels; to usher us into the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven. Supported by the New Earth and the New Temple; who IS Jesus. Then He gives us a New Body, New Name and a New Life forever! That will be "Everlasting Life". As Jesus promised to the Born Again's in...
John 3:15 That whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) should not perish (in hell), but have eternal life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish (in hell), but have Everlasting Life.
Could I be Wrong? ABSOLUTELY YES! But ALL others could be Wrong too...
...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Neither, because none of it exists, obviously 🤡🤦🏻
sure
The Gospel:
Plain and
Simple
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3
Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been
baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good
and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually
knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
the gospel is and has left a devastating effect
of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in
the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross
2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath
and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial,
and resurrection on our behalf that we are
able to have peace with God and forgiveness
of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good
news is unto all but only those that believe in
it are made righteous in Christ (Romans
3:22).
It is then after we have heard this good
news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit
and we are now part of Christ’s body the
church (Eph 1:13)
There is nothing that we need to do, no
good works that are required, and no bad
works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).
Faith and belief in this information from
God’s word is the gospel.
The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your
heart. The gospel is not making him lord of
your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not
being baptized with water.
So next time someone asks you if you are
saved. Give them the clear assured answer
“Yes And let me tell you why
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