I love how he fell for Alpharius' trick of making people think they turned traitor, when in reality they turned traitor, like the good traitorous loyalist that they are
The reason for orks not being a faction in 30k is because the imperium had almost wiped them out completely during the great crusades, thats how powerful the imperium was, that they almost had made the orks extinct, but where the heresy fucked up the imperium so much it basically gave the orks 10,000 years to regather their strength, so if Horus never got tempted and corrupted by some Erebussy, its a safe bet to say Orks wouldn't be a thing anymore.
See that's a bit of bullsh××t, when you kill an ork you basicly create 100 new orks through the spores he expells in his dieing moment, although: Datt puni humies can't krump uz boyz, we krump demm instead, whaaaaaaaaaaaagh!🤣
didn't the Orks almost take Terra in the War of The Beast? and wasn't that in M32? Sounds like they needed a lot less time than 10,000 years for a good, proppa WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH to form.
@@zohantorrero3203 he did it once and hated it ever since. He had to to free the city too. It was either nuke a city, or cause billions of deaths in a planet invasion
Angron really turned when he got saved by the emperor whilst his friends died in Nuceria without Angron able to help out. Well that was the first thing that started to make him angry. Then learning how his fellow brothers were saved he thought that he was treated very unfairly. People often overlook how much honour is weaved into Angron, Khorne and the people who follow them. If the emperor helped Angron out and saved the others in need on Nuceria, I'm sure he'd be loyal. There is after all a whole lot of Xenos in dire need of some close encounters with chainsword and chainaxe!
@@CaptinCrofty Play stupid games, win stupid prices (The Emperor). No need for the loyalists to cry about the war hounds turning against them then :D. After embracing Chaos Angron wasted no time to plunge straight down so. I'm an Ork/Catachan player for what that's worth but if there would have been any other world eaters models besides the really ugly berserkers when I started playing back in the day then I probably would have gone that route :p. (Let's not discuss my huge pile of monkey-ratmen, they are so ugly it's endearing)
@@stubley3432 Yeah well, that might be the case but his actions runs a bit contrary to his endgoal of securing the future of humanity. But as they say about gods (imperial creed vs what the emperor wanted but whatever) work in mysterious ways. (I think that things has been changed and expanded by several writers over time and they did not always read each others works to keep stuff canon).
@@QuitLifeTV The 40k universe is a mes of unreliable narrators and contradictory lore, and tbh i never take it more seriously than just being interesting. The Horus Heresy series is basically the only series that ive seen that's objectively canon, even the codices are littered with in universe propaganda
Legions summed up in one sentence: Dark Angels - Paranoid Illuminati knights Emperor's Children - Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll perfectionists Iron Warriors - Salty gamers with big guns and hazard stripes White Scars - Biker Mongols Space Wolves - Furry, drunken Vikings Imperial Fists - Literal construction workers Night Lords - Skin cape Batman wannabes Blood Angels - Artsy vampires in space Iron Hands - Edgy cyborgs with trust issues World Eaters - Mentally unstable berserkers Ultramarines - Roman poster boys Death Guard - Stinky war criminals Thousand Sons - Either handsome nerds or literally just dust Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion - Chaos sellouts Word Bearers - Creepy, kiddy fiddling cultists Salamanders - Cuddly arsonists Raven Guard - Stealthy Gerard Way and his black parade Alpha Legion - ???
“Meanwhile, the thousand sons were just ransacking the civilian sectors, doing donuts in the parking lot, more hookers and blow” 😂😂😂😂😂 that literally just made me laugh so hard thank you
The orks were at heavily reduced strength after the defeat of an incredibly strong ork empire during the ullanor campaign, that's why a lot of orks aren't in heresy
And it's basically focused on the rift between the primarchs and events concerned with it. What the Xenos are up to at the same time is of course interesting but the main drama is the Astartes eating each other, mainly metaphorically.
as a newcomer to this universe, the videos made by absolute pros like Luetin09 are great but can be confusing, this video is awesome as an introduction to this part of the lore, thank you !
Luetin's style is like an essay or history book. Not sure if that is accurate but that is my first reaction. I think its good to have a variety in ways to expose yourself to the lore. I like hearing it from different people. Luetin, EoB, and Arbitor Ian are my favorites.
Poor angron… he was exactly what the legion needed, he was supposed to be the emperor’s empathy, and calmed and soothed people just by his presence. The butcher’s nails erased all that. For all intents and purposes, he would have been better than sanguinius if only he didn’t have such a bad history.
4:00 their armour was black, not green. You mention in the beginning that many legions wore black armour, yet fail to get that right for the very first legion.
change from Luna Wolves to SoH wasn´t at the start of the heresy, it was shortly before that, after the Ullanor campaign, where was Horus titled the Warmaster. There was still a brief window of them being SoH and still absolutely loyal. Also... 100% of the legion was behind Horus? Loken, Tarik and multiple squads if not companies would beg to differ, they were hand picked for the first wave on Istvaan III to die during the bombardment or in the aftermath cleanup.
@@TheSimpleMan454 In the Horus Heresy books, they had 1000 Astartes. This was prior to the flesh change. I belive the Emperor kept them at 1000 because he knew how powerful each marine could be. Each Thousand son was selected for that chapter due to their hidden psychic ability, that was they each discovered in time. Much like Grey Knights are all selected for the same reasons.
@@commmarine9547 was there also not a mention of a thousand getting teleported from prospero? i think ahriman said something like that in 'a thousand sons', considering he's a corvidae and trying to understand the future was a big theme of the book
Been some things that don’t cover(like Istvaan 3,history of Mortarion and Perturabo,loyalists in traitor legions or traitors in loyal legions) and mistakes(Horus was tricked to join Chaos,Luna wolfs don’t turn into Sons of Horus after betrayal). But not bad
They not only built fortresses but built much of the defenses and oversaw most of the logistics and construction of said defenses such as mining warp lanes denying the enemy access or slowing them down enough for either long range weapons or ambushes that can destroy their opponents or slow them down enough to allow for allied forces to retreat to safer positions or planets.
So, in the contest with Vulcan, no one noticed that the guy next to Vulcan was 14 feet tall? Maybe it's me, but if I ever saw a 14' tall guy, I'd probably just assume "Oh, that guy's probably an Emperor, or something."...
2 Red (Blood Angels/TSons), 3 Black-ish (RGuard, DAngels, Iron Hands[metallic black], 3 blue-ish (Umarines, NLords, AlphaL [dark aqua]), 2 White (WScars, WorldE), 4 Grey-ish (SWolves, DGuard, WBearers [Gal Vorbek were Crimson], IronW [Metallic/Iron]), 2 Greenish (Salamanders, SonsOH [were bluish grey as the Luna Wolves]), 1 Yellow (ImpFists), 1 Purple (Emp Children) So actually Grey was the most common color
i feel like luthar striking lion down doesnt give him justice in this video u should have included that the lion hesitated so he got struck down but great video i didnt know the lion recruited the calliban knights!No hate and much love.
For the Dark Angels, it’s a little inaccurate. They didn’t purposefully betray the Lion. They were tricked by a bitter and corrupted Luthor* into attacking the Lion because they thought the Lion was a traitor. Leman also didn’t convince Emps to kill Magnus, Horus intercepted and changed part of the order and ordered the execution of Magnus, not the return of Magnus. Curze not only hated his legion when he arrived with them, his new recruits came from the lawless Nostramo and made him despise the legion even more. He claimed he couldn’t purge any loyalist marines because he didn’t know if there were any. While the Iron Hands did hate the flesh, and mimicked Ferrus’s iron hands, Ferrus tried to change this up until his death. Also, the Iron Hands were so shattered by the Massacre literally couldn’t reforge their legions. Only a few hundred were left. They did reforge, but made themselves weaker through it. Almost…** For Death Guard, they weren’t super special for having 1/3 of the legion being loyal to Emps. All of the traitor legions at Istvaan 3 had around 1/3 of their legions purged. I’m pretty sure it was always clear that the T-Sons were psykers, and that their mutations happened right after they left to Crusade… idk though. Not entirely sure. However, Magnus had to sell part of his soul to Tzeentch for the cure, which was the start of his fall. And his message to Emps was turned away by the psykic barriers that protected the Golden Throne, and Tzeentch tricked Magnus into breaking it by going through the Webway. That’s why the wolves were set upon Prospero Sons of Horus weren’t exactly cut the head off the snake. While they did do this, they were shock troops meant to crush the enemy in one battle, and one swift strike. Corvus was the primarch who cut the head off the snake in a quick stroke. They were also quite diplomatic, not just warlike. The Luna Wolves became the Sons of Horus after Emps suggested Horus change the name in honour of Horus being Warmaster. Horus didn’t betray the loyalist at Istvaan 5. He purged his legion at Istvaan 3, and then fought the loyalists at Istvaan 5. It was WB, IW, NL, AL who betrayed the RG, IH, and Salamanders at drop site. Salamanders were reckless, especially when Vulkan joined them because the Promethean Cult preaches self-sacrifice. Salamanders would join the battle wherever citizens were in the most danger, and that would oftentimes lead to their deaths. Raven Guard got to name the Mark 6 after their Primarch; the mark 6 Corvus pattern. Luna Wolves used the Ravens as an extension of his legion. Corvus, was somewhat against this, but it came to a head at the battle of Gate 42 where Horus used his legion in the wrong way, contrary to Corvus’s advice, caused Corvus to never fight with Horus again. *who was regretful in 41k but was freed by Chaos and who knows what they’ll do with him. **they started to hide their emotions, which caused them to be manipulated by Slaanesh (or Tzeentch, don’t remember exactly) through the use of technology. Eventually they realised they needed to accept emotions and won the day.
Awesome video as most all of EoB's are. But Angron's guys Haaaated him. They wanted to rebel against him even before the heresy, they were outright ashamed of him. The HH novel 'Betrayer' deals with this, to the point that the title 'Betrayer' can be applied to not only Angron, Kharn, but to pretty much most anyone who met Angron (including his brothers, as everyone pretty much saw him as a crazed liability) ...not hot (except Kharn.... and Lothara)
Angron killed Thousands of his sons when he first arrived with his legion. The World eaters would walk into the room where he was kept (imprisoned for their safety) and have fight him to prove they were his sons. Only Karn was able to sate Angron. Angron then accepted those remaining.
He’s actually called “Lion”, with the last name “El’jonson”. Supposedly in the language of Caliban (his adopted home planet), it means “Lion, Son Of The Forest”. Games Workshop originally named him after a British poet named Lionel Johnson, who wrote the poem “Dark Angel”- which is a pretty cool idea. (In the earliest mention of Lion, GW actually spelled his name “Lyyn Elgonsen”.)
I think ascetic is important when it comes to picking out a army. But with 10th edition just dropping, it really expands it for painters who like to play
They didn't re-organise as The Sons of Horus at the turn of Heresy - they were renamed whilst Horus was still very much loyal to the Emperor. Horus was reluctant to change their name, because he felt it was self-serving and too prideful to rename his legion "The Sons of Horus", after him. I mean... he renamed them in the first book, before any seeds of heresy had even been sewn, and he did so because others had - basically - insisted that he did, and he pretty much only did it to stop them harassing him to do so. Interested to see whether you call the Alpha Legion loyal or heretical, haha.
it must be stressful to not only be conquered, but to worry about which legion is coming down on you. things are either gonna get really good or really bad
Not buying that huge box for HH. Gonna wait for a small box or something. Blood Angels for sure. I want a Sanguinius. What kind of things are they releasing? Are they just going to make me buy the big box and paint them as Blood Angels? :(
Vulkan and big E were equally matched in the trials i think During the trials the people watching either decided it would take too long (holding a anvil over head) or what they did was completely equal (forging the best weapon they can)
It was the opposite, the world eaters hated Angron and had the most loyalist marines in their legion. They were purged at Istvan, So many World Eaters died trying to make the nails work. Khan was the only real one who stood by Angron and could weather his churlish outbursts. He went on a quest to find a cure for the nails...... He was a real nice person.
I have to ask. If a miniature painter paints Space Marines (or any of the 40k) in original paint schemes. Would their paint scheme be used by a 40k gamer? Same for the Warhammer (fantasy) miniatures. I used to paint for profit, but had no problems with custom and original paint schemes for units, as long as I kept the unit's symbols within the various factions. Like I had an order for Blood Angels in hot pink and neon orange with glow eyes and mechanical lights for a blacklighted game. The same person asked for Glowing Skeletons and undead army troops. I had custom flags, banners, and kit bashes as well in the same order. Now, this was just an example (one of the more extreme) of some of the orders I painted. Really hope I can get back into painting for profit again. I really miss the work and fun making cohesive units and armies that were unique, but still fit into the gamer's visions of the universe.
The lion may not be a match for his brother robootsy as an auditor but I imagine he could out audit most of his brothers I think where he was really lacking was in his oratory ability and I always felt like that was more due to not always realizing that men need more inspiration than say a lion who knows his purpose and not necessarily that he lacked the rhetorical capacity.
Me seeing video pop up in feed.: Oh this should be a great video, Jay talking about all the SM legions, why not. Me 4 minutes into the video: Oh crap...stop..stop...Spoilers!!! ....in retrospect, I really should have known better XD.
How about a Lost Rogue Trader and his legions, owing fealty to none and Enemies of chaos but neutral to the empire.... Lost in the depths of time and galactic distances, Returning and finding their way back. Fun. Thanks for the Lore....rail lines of warp dust indeed.
To understand the 8th you have to understand the hypocrisy of the emperor, the night haunter found vindication through death by not only exposure of that hypocrisy but also because he knew he had to pay for his own crimes. Honestly I hate when people compare the lord's to batman, they are nothing like Batman who's whole stick is he is better than criminals because there are lines he does not cross, the lords of the night have no such qualms. They are a combination of Vlad the impaler and Kurtz from Joseph Conrad's heart of darkness. Nostramo was another work of Conrad's as well
even Ultramarines.......Cmon man they are cool, getting their own video game this winter Space Marine 2!!! Featuring Captain Titus!!! Ultramarines are cool! Way cool!
Both probably, last known Luther was kept in stasis but finally escaped around the time of the Dark Imperium, and no one has ever found Lion's body and so it is suspected the Watchers in the Dark have him locked away in stasis
interesting tidbits of info, the two missing legions were originally meant to be the legions that the players would create and add to the players own worldbuilding, also there was the Rainbow warriors, one of the original rogue trader space marine chapters, maybe they were the remaining loyal Emperors Children space marines.
@@jc7997aj but then you just have another chapter with the silliest name. There's gotta be a group with the silliest name and we might as well have it be one that most people will agree on 🤣
Each legion was designed to deal with each facet of war and diplomacy The White scars were meant for mobile and fast paced combat Imperial fists were the builders and defenders The iron warriors were the siege specialist The night lords were for those that needed little in the ways of combat and fear The thousand sons were the phycers meant to deal with warp based enemies Death guard were the hammer used for the hardest and longest of battles Ultramarines were for diplomacy as well as Integrating new worlds into the imperium Dark angels were the test bed Emperors children were the voice of the emperor to spread their beliefs in the emperor Iron warriors and salamanders were technicians and engineers where the iron warriors worked with vehicles the salamanders worked with weapons Alpha legions were the covert and special ops of the imperium Raven guard were the vanguard and path finders whilst also being intelligence.
Close on the lore. Follows is some spoilers of the books. Magnus didn't accept Chaos until he was at the emperors side during the siege of Terra and only after receiving a final, impossible option that Magnus couldn't accept did he turn fully. Additionally, obviously not all of the Luna Wolves accepted Horus's betrayal. Not one single legion turned in its entirety. All had some who remained loyal, and those found would all become part or founders of the Grey Knights. Horus killed almost 1/3 of his legion at the dropsite massacre sending those who may possible remain loyal to the emperor ahead of the main strike force. Garviel Loken, Iacton Cruze (The half-heard) and Torgaddon are a few of the named characters that resisted.
I just noticed the I Pad has been upside down..... also I bought the Horus Heresy Pre Order w/ Loyalist Book, and upgrades 409.00 out the door with tax and discounts. gonna go back and grab the assault tank and rhino.... cus im an idiot
I love how he fell for Alpharius' trick of making people think they turned traitor, when in reality they turned traitor, like the good traitorous loyalist that they are
Well spoken Alpharius.
I agree alpharious
Or omegon
Omegon would disagree, or would he???
yes
no
I'm confused
The reason for orks not being a faction in 30k is because the imperium had almost wiped them out completely during the great crusades, thats how powerful the imperium was, that they almost had made the orks extinct, but where the heresy fucked up the imperium so much it basically gave the orks 10,000 years to regather their strength, so if Horus never got tempted and corrupted by some Erebussy, its a safe bet to say Orks wouldn't be a thing anymore.
See that's a bit of bullsh××t, when you kill an ork you basicly create 100 new orks through the spores he expells in his dieing moment, although: Datt puni humies can't krump uz boyz, we krump demm instead, whaaaaaaaaaaaagh!🤣
@@dr.sommercamp3435not when you just obliterate tainted planets. They were not worried about politics during the great crusade
Erebus is such a bitch. Love him sm
didn't the Orks almost take Terra in the War of The Beast? and wasn't that in M32? Sounds like they needed a lot less time than 10,000 years for a good, proppa WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH to form.
You needed a “but that’s heresy” counter
Cool nice take even if some of hot or not is wrong
Corax needs more love. He has Vulkan levels of care for civilians
Right on. 100% agree 👍🏻
Вулкан запрещал своим воинам использовать экстерминатус, а вот Коракс сбрасывал атомные бомбы на города. Так что Кораксу далеко до уровня Вулкана
YES
@@zohantorrero3203 he did it once and hated it ever since. He had to to free the city too. It was either nuke a city, or cause billions of deaths in a planet invasion
Kayvaan Shrike wouldn't dissapoint him then, the Master of Shadows being known as a saviour amkng Imperial civilians.
Angron really turned when he got saved by the emperor whilst his friends died in Nuceria without Angron able to help out. Well that was the first thing that started to make him angry. Then learning how his fellow brothers were saved he thought that he was treated very unfairly.
People often overlook how much honour is weaved into Angron, Khorne and the people who follow them. If the emperor helped Angron out and saved the others in need on Nuceria, I'm sure he'd be loyal. There is after all a whole lot of Xenos in dire need of some close encounters with chainsword and chainaxe!
Its almost like he did it on purpose....
@@CaptinCrofty Play stupid games, win stupid prices (The Emperor). No need for the loyalists to cry about the war hounds turning against them then :D. After embracing Chaos Angron wasted no time to plunge straight down so.
I'm an Ork/Catachan player for what that's worth but if there would have been any other world eaters models besides the really ugly berserkers when I started playing back in the day then I probably would have gone that route :p. (Let's not discuss my huge pile of monkey-ratmen, they are so ugly it's endearing)
@@QuitLifeTV I believe Crofty is alluding to the idea that the Emperor not only knew of, but enabled the heresy
@@stubley3432 Yeah well, that might be the case but his actions runs a bit contrary to his endgoal of securing the future of humanity.
But as they say about gods (imperial creed vs what the emperor wanted but whatever) work in mysterious ways.
(I think that things has been changed and expanded by several writers over time and they did not always read each others works to keep stuff canon).
@@QuitLifeTV The 40k universe is a mes of unreliable narrators and contradictory lore, and tbh i never take it more seriously than just being interesting. The Horus Heresy series is basically the only series that ive seen that's objectively canon, even the codices are littered with in universe propaganda
There's nothing better than waking up to an hour long EonsOfBattle video!
Legions summed up in one sentence:
Dark Angels - Paranoid Illuminati knights
Emperor's Children - Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll perfectionists
Iron Warriors - Salty gamers with big guns and hazard stripes
White Scars - Biker Mongols
Space Wolves - Furry, drunken Vikings
Imperial Fists - Literal construction workers
Night Lords - Skin cape Batman wannabes
Blood Angels - Artsy vampires in space
Iron Hands - Edgy cyborgs with trust issues
World Eaters - Mentally unstable berserkers
Ultramarines - Roman poster boys
Death Guard - Stinky war criminals
Thousand Sons - Either handsome nerds or literally just dust
Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion - Chaos sellouts
Word Bearers - Creepy, kiddy fiddling cultists
Salamanders - Cuddly arsonists
Raven Guard - Stealthy Gerard Way and his black parade
Alpha Legion - ???
Raven guard description had me in stiches 😂😂
Night lords are nothing like Batman I hate when people say that
I like the Space Wolves.
@@josephskiles I'd argue the night lords are more effective. There's no arch enemy if you kill them the first time
Now that you called the space wolves drunk furries I want an entire legion of them
How dare you attribute the atrocities of the Emperor's Children on Terra to the Thousand Sons! The Thousand Sons did nothing wrong!
Hard to do anything at all when you're made of sawdust
@@DickWindu WHOA! That is racist!!!! :p
It's all Magnuses fault is all I'm sayin
Yes they did
@@DickWindu The Rubric came about post-Siege of Terra.
My thinking is that HH is the Fall of Rome, but 40k is the chaos which happened in the centuries after.
Good analogy
Horus Heresey is the story about the emperor being a bad dad
Especially with Space Marines being analogous to medieval knights, yeah, it makes sense!
Love this recap. It does bother me more than it should that the tablet is held upside down.
Describing the Death Guards transformation as "pretty sad and pretty gross" is my favorite part of this video.
8:23 That's heresy!
But overall I highly support your proclivity towards the Traitor Legions. Well done.
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@@charlesericson6934 Okay
“Meanwhile, the thousand sons were just ransacking the civilian sectors, doing donuts in the parking lot, more hookers and blow” 😂😂😂😂😂 that literally just made me laugh so hard thank you
Emperor's Children actually
The orks were at heavily reduced strength after the defeat of an incredibly strong ork empire during the ullanor campaign, that's why a lot of orks aren't in heresy
And it's basically focused on the rift between the primarchs and events concerned with it. What the Xenos are up to at the same time is of course interesting but the main drama is the Astartes eating each other, mainly metaphorically.
as a newcomer to this universe, the videos made by absolute pros like Luetin09 are great but can be confusing, this video is awesome as an introduction to this part of the lore, thank you !
Luetin's style is like an essay or history book. Not sure if that is accurate but that is my first reaction. I think its good to have a variety in ways to expose yourself to the lore. I like hearing it from different people. Luetin, EoB, and Arbitor Ian are my favorites.
Poor angron… he was exactly what the legion needed, he was supposed to be the emperor’s empathy, and calmed and soothed people just by his presence. The butcher’s nails erased all that.
For all intents and purposes, he would have been better than sanguinius if only he didn’t have such a bad history.
I loved the foreshadowing in today's stream about this video
4:00 their armour was black, not green. You mention in the beginning that many legions wore black armour, yet fail to get that right for the very first legion.
change from Luna Wolves to SoH wasn´t at the start of the heresy, it was shortly before that, after the Ullanor campaign, where was Horus titled the Warmaster. There was still a brief window of them being SoH and still absolutely loyal.
Also... 100% of the legion was behind Horus? Loken, Tarik and multiple squads if not companies would beg to differ, they were hand picked for the first wave on Istvaan III to die during the bombardment or in the aftermath cleanup.
The editing and production on this video was top-notch. Good job, dudes!
And of course, the Alpha Legion turned out to be traitors, or were they?
The Hydra betrays everyone. They only do what is best for them.
Of course, they betrayed the Imperium, or did they
Jay singing the lion sleeps tonight is so wholesome
I thought they were called the “1000 sons” because only 1000 survived the flesh change when Magnus showed up
It's a case of "depends on the author" whether there were only a thousand at first, or only a thousand left. End result is the same though.
@@TheSimpleMan454 In the Horus Heresy books, they had 1000 Astartes. This was prior to the flesh change. I belive the Emperor kept them at 1000 because he knew how powerful each marine could be. Each Thousand son was selected for that chapter due to their hidden psychic ability, that was they each discovered in time. Much like Grey Knights are all selected for the same reasons.
@@commmarine9547 was there also not a mention of a thousand getting teleported from prospero? i think ahriman said something like that in 'a thousand sons', considering he's a corvidae and trying to understand the future was a big theme of the book
Thanks for the fun lore video.
Been some things that don’t cover(like Istvaan 3,history of Mortarion and Perturabo,loyalists in traitor legions or traitors in loyal legions) and mistakes(Horus was tricked to join Chaos,Luna wolfs don’t turn into Sons of Horus after betrayal). But not bad
It's an overview of the Legions, not a full history of the Heresy.
They not only built fortresses but built much of the defenses and oversaw most of the logistics and construction of said defenses such as mining warp lanes denying the enemy access or slowing them down enough for either long range weapons or ambushes that can destroy their opponents or slow them down enough to allow for allied forces to retreat to safer positions or planets.
love your videos! my favorite legion is pre-heresy EC for ever
So, in the contest with Vulcan, no one noticed that the guy next to Vulcan was 14 feet tall? Maybe it's me, but if I ever saw a 14' tall guy, I'd probably just assume "Oh, that guy's probably an Emperor, or something."...
"Imperial Fists were what marines should be"
I rather be dead than like the Imperial Fists.
Totally agree with you Dark Angels are the pinicle of what a space marine should aspire to.
Totally agree, Night Lords are the pinnacle of what a Spa- **REDACTED**
Totally agree, The World Eaters are the pinnacle of what RAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEE.... should be
I love how there is like 3 red legions, and like 4 black legions, they just ran out of colours
2 Red (Blood Angels/TSons), 3 Black-ish (RGuard, DAngels, Iron Hands[metallic black], 3 blue-ish (Umarines, NLords, AlphaL [dark aqua]), 2 White (WScars, WorldE), 4 Grey-ish (SWolves, DGuard, WBearers [Gal Vorbek were Crimson], IronW [Metallic/Iron]), 2 Greenish (Salamanders, SonsOH [were bluish grey as the Luna Wolves]), 1 Yellow (ImpFists), 1 Purple (Emp Children)
So actually Grey was the most common color
Also, there are a lot of chapters within the legions that have their own colors. And you can always paint them exactly as you like them!
@@FYAjibber000 I wouldn't consider deathguard grey, and also when they turned traitor, World Eaters and World Bearers went the old Mephitson Red way
i feel like luthar striking lion down doesnt give him justice in this video u should have included that the lion hesitated so he got struck down but great video i didnt know the lion recruited the calliban knights!No hate and much love.
Thank you for making this video! I needed this.
I love that you kept saying World Bearers because I did the same for years.
Love the longer videos thanks for the amazing content! Blood for the blood god!
2:56 but did they dance whenever they're able?
I hear that they ate ham, and jam, and Spam. A LOT.
This is so much better than how One Mind Syndicate would do it.
Lunar wolves became Sons of Horus and painted their armour before Horus turned
The sons of Horus was not 100% onboard with Horus' treachery. remember the battle of isstvan III where basicly one third of the legion stayed loyal!
😂So glad I watched til the very end. Hilarious!
For the Dark Angels, it’s a little inaccurate. They didn’t purposefully betray the Lion. They were tricked by a bitter and corrupted Luthor* into attacking the Lion because they thought the Lion was a traitor.
Leman also didn’t convince Emps to kill Magnus, Horus intercepted and changed part of the order and ordered the execution of Magnus, not the return of Magnus.
Curze not only hated his legion when he arrived with them, his new recruits came from the lawless Nostramo and made him despise the legion even more. He claimed he couldn’t purge any loyalist marines because he didn’t know if there were any.
While the Iron Hands did hate the flesh, and mimicked Ferrus’s iron hands, Ferrus tried to change this up until his death. Also, the Iron Hands were so shattered by the Massacre literally couldn’t reforge their legions. Only a few hundred were left. They did reforge, but made themselves weaker through it. Almost…**
For Death Guard, they weren’t super special for having 1/3 of the legion being loyal to Emps. All of the traitor legions at Istvaan 3 had around 1/3 of their legions purged.
I’m pretty sure it was always clear that the T-Sons were psykers, and that their mutations happened right after they left to Crusade… idk though. Not entirely sure. However, Magnus had to sell part of his soul to Tzeentch for the cure, which was the start of his fall. And his message to Emps was turned away by the psykic barriers that protected the Golden Throne, and Tzeentch tricked Magnus into breaking it by going through the Webway. That’s why the wolves were set upon Prospero
Sons of Horus weren’t exactly cut the head off the snake. While they did do this, they were shock troops meant to crush the enemy in one battle, and one swift strike. Corvus was the primarch who cut the head off the snake in a quick stroke. They were also quite diplomatic, not just warlike. The Luna Wolves became the Sons of Horus after Emps suggested Horus change the name in honour of Horus being Warmaster. Horus didn’t betray the loyalist at Istvaan 5. He purged his legion at Istvaan 3, and then fought the loyalists at Istvaan 5. It was WB, IW, NL, AL who betrayed the RG, IH, and Salamanders at drop site.
Salamanders were reckless, especially when Vulkan joined them because the Promethean Cult preaches self-sacrifice. Salamanders would join the battle wherever citizens were in the most danger, and that would oftentimes lead to their deaths.
Raven Guard got to name the Mark 6 after their Primarch; the mark 6 Corvus pattern. Luna Wolves used the Ravens as an extension of his legion. Corvus, was somewhat against this, but it came to a head at the battle of Gate 42 where Horus used his legion in the wrong way, contrary to Corvus’s advice, caused Corvus to never fight with Horus again.
*who was regretful in 41k but was freed by Chaos and who knows what they’ll do with him.
**they started to hide their emotions, which caused them to be manipulated by Slaanesh (or Tzeentch, don’t remember exactly) through the use of technology. Eventually they realised they needed to accept emotions and won the day.
NGL, I do love the 30k fluff and you make a great summary of the Legions 👍
Awesome video as most all of EoB's are. But Angron's guys Haaaated him. They wanted to rebel against him even before the heresy, they were outright ashamed of him. The HH novel 'Betrayer' deals with this, to the point that the title 'Betrayer' can be applied to not only Angron, Kharn, but to pretty much most anyone who met Angron (including his brothers, as everyone pretty much saw him as a crazed liability) ...not hot (except Kharn.... and Lothara)
Angron killed Thousands of his sons when he first arrived with his legion. The World eaters would walk into the room where he was kept (imprisoned for their safety) and have fight him to prove they were his sons. Only Karn was able to sate Angron. Angron then accepted those remaining.
I used to think the Dark Angels were cool but then I discovered their primarch is called Lionel.
He’s actually called “Lion”, with the last name “El’jonson”. Supposedly in the language of Caliban (his adopted home planet), it means “Lion, Son Of The Forest”. Games Workshop originally named him after a British poet named Lionel Johnson, who wrote the poem “Dark Angel”- which is a pretty cool idea. (In the earliest mention of Lion, GW actually spelled his name “Lyyn Elgonsen”.)
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 That's interesting about the poet. And I guess it's still a better name than Robot Girlyman.
@@pigbinjosh8466 😆Yeah, totally! Row, row, row your boat-ay…
I think ascetic is important when it comes to picking out a army. But with 10th edition just dropping, it really expands it for painters who like to play
Where did you get some of this info? Cause it's wrong
He probably took some hearsay?
I don't know 30k, which stuff was wrong?
@@kangaroogopoo1320 a lot of stuff about Magnus was wrong. He wasn't a weak or bad psycher, he just isnt stronger than the emperor
@@franciscoesparza8691 it was his arrogance which made him fuck up, not his strength (im agreeing with you). also no mention of tzeentch shenanigans
Great effort and fun watching it all 😁
@EonsOfBattle I know nothing of Space Marines, I know much more now. Do the Raven Guard and Night Lords have the same Primarch? @46:10
The Emperor's Children had so much pride that they eventually betrayed the Emperor and staged a Pride Parade on Terra.
A horrifying act of great heresy!!
They didn't re-organise as The Sons of Horus at the turn of Heresy - they were renamed whilst Horus was still very much loyal to the Emperor. Horus was reluctant to change their name, because he felt it was self-serving and too prideful to rename his legion "The Sons of Horus", after him. I mean... he renamed them in the first book, before any seeds of heresy had even been sewn, and he did so because others had - basically - insisted that he did, and he pretty much only did it to stop them harassing him to do so.
Interested to see whether you call the Alpha Legion loyal or heretical, haha.
Great video! Thanks.
it must be stressful to not only be conquered, but to worry about which legion is coming down on you. things are either gonna get really good or really bad
Breaks into your house
Says ‘Sons of Horus are the best’
Doesn’t elaborate further
Leaves
Imagine being Magnus being betrayed by your brother, your father is dissapointed in you and your other brother breaks your back and tries to kill you.
Not buying that huge box for HH. Gonna wait for a small box or something. Blood Angels for sure. I want a Sanguinius. What kind of things are they releasing? Are they just going to make me buy the big box and paint them as Blood Angels? :(
I needed this video!!!
Vulkan and big E were equally matched in the trials i think
During the trials the people watching either decided it would take too long (holding a anvil over head) or what they did was completely equal (forging the best weapon they can)
but big E caught the bigger salamander though,
Hi jay, I really enjoy your videos :)
It was the opposite, the world eaters hated Angron and had the most loyalist marines in their legion. They were purged at Istvan, So many World Eaters died trying to make the nails work. Khan was the only real one who stood by Angron and could weather his churlish outbursts. He went on a quest to find a cure for the nails...... He was a real nice person.
I have to ask. If a miniature painter paints Space Marines (or any of the 40k) in original paint schemes. Would their paint scheme be used by a 40k gamer? Same for the Warhammer (fantasy) miniatures. I used to paint for profit, but had no problems with custom and original paint schemes for units, as long as I kept the unit's symbols within the various factions. Like I had an order for Blood Angels in hot pink and neon orange with glow eyes and mechanical lights for a blacklighted game. The same person asked for Glowing Skeletons and undead army troops. I had custom flags, banners, and kit bashes as well in the same order. Now, this was just an example (one of the more extreme) of some of the orders I painted.
Really hope I can get back into painting for profit again. I really miss the work and fun making cohesive units and armies that were unique, but still fit into the gamer's visions of the universe.
The lion may not be a match for his brother robootsy as an auditor but I imagine he could out audit most of his brothers I think where he was really lacking was in his oratory ability and I always felt like that was more due to not always realizing that men need more inspiration than say a lion who knows his purpose and not necessarily that he lacked the rhetorical capacity.
I love that the story of the Imperium is basically sci-fi-fantasy East Enders.
I will not accept this slander against the warmaster
Me seeing video pop up in feed.: Oh this should be a great video, Jay talking about all the SM legions, why not.
Me 4 minutes into the video: Oh crap...stop..stop...Spoilers!!!
....in retrospect, I really should have known better XD.
Perhaps the missing legion was the Firehawks supposedly they became the Legion of the Damned.
Well, supposedly they're successors of the Ultramarines.
@@ashtonanolte I misworded that I meant maybe the missing Fire Hawks chapter are the origins of the Legion of the Damned.
Wasn’t the dark angels armor occasionally black?
Horus luprical does a little trolling. That’s what I call the Horus heresy
How about a Lost Rogue Trader and his legions, owing fealty to none and Enemies of chaos but neutral to the empire.... Lost in the depths of time and galactic distances, Returning and finding their way back. Fun. Thanks for the Lore....rail lines of warp dust indeed.
To understand the 8th you have to understand the hypocrisy of the emperor, the night haunter found vindication through death by not only exposure of that hypocrisy but also because he knew he had to pay for his own crimes.
Honestly I hate when people compare the lord's to batman, they are nothing like Batman who's whole stick is he is better than criminals because there are lines he does not cross, the lords of the night have no such qualms. They are a combination of Vlad the impaler and Kurtz from Joseph Conrad's heart of darkness. Nostramo was another work of Conrad's as well
Why is your ipad upsidedown?
Rails of Warpdust
That's the new album by the Fulgrim Fluffers.
And here I am, still thinking about that huge box and if I should buy it xD
A 3d printer and resin would be a better buy.
Dark angels was black during horus heresy, they changed to green after the conflict and only ravenwing keep the black colour scheme in 40k.
Now make a video on The Dorian Heresy
even Ultramarines.......Cmon man they are cool, getting their own video game this winter Space Marine 2!!! Featuring Captain Titus!!! Ultramarines are cool! Way cool!
Was it Luther or The Lion that was thrown into a stasis tube?
Both probably, last known Luther was kept in stasis but finally escaped around the time of the Dark Imperium, and no one has ever found Lion's body and so it is suspected the Watchers in the Dark have him locked away in stasis
Just curious Jay what brushes do you use? Maybe I missed it in one of your earlier videos. Thanks
interesting tidbits of info, the two missing legions were originally meant to be the legions that the players would create and add to the players own worldbuilding, also there was the Rainbow warriors, one of the original rogue trader space marine chapters, maybe they were the remaining loyal Emperors Children space marines.
Can we just forget about the rainbow warriors. They have to have the silliest name out of a group of silly named transhumans.
@@jc7997aj but then you just have another chapter with the silliest name. There's gotta be a group with the silliest name and we might as well have it be one that most people will agree on 🤣
@@Nostrodromedary 🤔 i see your point.
Yeah the first legion is totally loyal
Perterabo literally said the beatings would continue until morale improved...
Did you forget to talk about Roboute Guilliman?
ROBOUTE was too busy with IMPERIUM SECUNDUS, to show up on TERRA, on time.
"New beak helmet, who dis?"
Each legion was designed to deal with each facet of war and diplomacy
The
White scars were meant for mobile and fast paced combat
Imperial fists were the builders and defenders
The iron warriors were the siege specialist
The night lords were for those that needed little in the ways of combat and fear
The thousand sons were the phycers meant to deal with warp based enemies
Death guard were the hammer used for the hardest and longest of battles
Ultramarines were for diplomacy as well as Integrating new worlds into the imperium
Dark angels were the test bed
Emperors children were the voice of the emperor to spread their beliefs in the emperor
Iron warriors and salamanders were technicians and engineers where the iron warriors worked with vehicles the salamanders worked with weapons
Alpha legions were the covert and special ops of the imperium
Raven guard were the vanguard and path finders whilst also being intelligence.
Close on the lore. Follows is some spoilers of the books. Magnus didn't accept Chaos until he was at the emperors side during the siege of Terra and only after receiving a final, impossible option that Magnus couldn't accept did he turn fully. Additionally, obviously not all of the Luna Wolves accepted Horus's betrayal. Not one single legion turned in its entirety. All had some who remained loyal, and those found would all become part or founders of the Grey Knights. Horus killed almost 1/3 of his legion at the dropsite massacre sending those who may possible remain loyal to the emperor ahead of the main strike force. Garviel Loken, Iacton Cruze (The half-heard) and Torgaddon are a few of the named characters that resisted.
I wish I knew about 30k before I spent 1k (1.3k before discounts) on 40k, 30k is the stuff I REALLY wanted
We need Drunk Warhammer Lore with Jay.
Trying to talk to an imperial fist is like trying to talks to someone with the personality of a calculator eg cold, precise and practical
Is this all the 30K races/factions?
Ingo Pech still chilling in his armour a mile below the Palace trying not to move…
40:58 Brian, obviously.
I just noticed the I Pad has been upside down..... also I bought the Horus Heresy Pre Order w/ Loyalist Book, and upgrades 409.00 out the door with tax and discounts. gonna go back and grab the assault tank and rhino.... cus im an idiot
I think you missed the laer blade, aka the most important thing in the corruption and fall of the emperors children to slaanesh...
Sir your iPad is upside down
I was gonna say that the Hot-Not ratio was kinda sus, but then you said the Salamanders were hot and everything is forgiven
He held his iPad upside down the whole time. My rage. My hatred. I can’t handle it
Of couse the salamanders are hot! Have you seen the amount of flamers?
Love me some World Bearers
Black sheilds have 3 books in the black library. So they can be trator from any legion. So they can use any rules.
got wayyy too invested in your hot or not pronouncements...
any chance we can get the official EOB tier list next? :D
Erm Hours killed off a load of his legion in the drop site massacre at istvan III.
A lore video.. with out reading the lore lol 🤣 did you make some of this up? Love you jay xxxx