I bought the RX100 IV. I'm upgrading from the old Sony Cybershot DSC-W80 that I had nearly 10 years ago. It has lasted me a long time. I'm a musician. Rocksubculture and other musician websites recommended the RX100 IV in their best cameras lists. I'm so excited to take use of it to record gigs and some music videos. Thank you for this wonderful review!
Jordan has grown so confident and professional as a presenter. I always liked the guy and the video input was always great, but he really used to need Chris to balance him out. Now he totally holds his own! Still, looking forward to an a7r II review with both these guys.
Nice review Jordan, the RX100 IV looks like a beast. One thing you didn't mention was the 5 mins max recording time at 4K and overheating. A lot of users have been complaining about recording in 4K and how the camera shuts down to cool off. Was this an issue for you?
SuperSaf TV 5 minutes 4K limit is there for a reason, it is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 4K video. You can't expect it to just push record after 5 minutes, it needs to cool off. For 29 minutes check out RX 10.2, or AX100 if you need camcorder.
Tony Yes 5 min limit should be mentioned, but all complaints I have seen so far are from people who expect to run camera in 5 min. increments without any stops between
See that's the thing, some users that aren't using it continually for 5 mins but in segments are still facing heating issues. That was the basis of the question (e.g. how many 1 min 4K clips can you do till it heats up)
SuperSaf TV that would depend on the cooling down time between the shots. If you want 4k recording for longer periods it's simple. For now get a larger body like the RX10-2. This way you will also get solid external audio. The RX-100 is a pocket camera that packs the punch of a hollywood grade cinema camera. Some compromises had to be made to make this exceptional product possible.
Nice review. Two quick things: (1) you can put Picture Profile into the function menu, so you can access S-Log2 without having to go into the main menu, and (2) Memory Recall is quite effective at remembering a lot of the settings, so I use it to quickly change between stills and different video modes. That said, I agree with your overall point that more features means even more burden on the limited buttons/dials/ergonomics. I'd prefer if the dials were more customizable (per shooting mode, e.g.), if different video modes/frame rates could be placed in the Fn menu, and other UI improvements as well (why does Center Lock-on AF work in video, but not Lock-on AF: Center, e.g.?). Cheers.
OKay, so I am in big trouble here. I saw the Panasonic FZ1000 review and the image quality with all the features in it, 4K video, 5 axis stabilization, 120 FPS slow mo in 1080, it just blew me away, then I found this. Now here are my requirements: 1. Lots of handheld video vlogging or product review cinematics. (FZ1000 I loved) don't know if this has the same 5 axis stabilization 2. Slow mo shots because I do a lot of action filming. (1080- 240 on this camera is Gold but 2 seconds is not enough for me) The 960 frames per second believe it or not is actually useful for people like me! There 2 seconds is enough. 3. I hate that this is a compact camera, I am more in love with the Bulkier FZ1000 4. No external mic output in this vs the the FZ1000 which can mount a rode on it and take the input. 5. Which has better video quality? in 1080 60 and 4k mode?
Great review. I just picked this camera up 2 days ago. Being a rookie in terms of photography, I found the features and menus to be overwhelming. With that said, practice makes perfect and I have been blown away by the quality of stills and videos that others have taken using this beast.
Dee Jimenez Best thing to do is customize the quick menu once you get a feel for most of the features. With all the settings, it can be difficult to choose what goes where. It even perplexed me a bit , coming from a Sony A6000 which has the same interface (though 1 extra button and dial). I even had to use the Memory Recalls for things like standard and HFR video, and I never use memory presets on my cameras (never had the need).
Christian Fiore Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that. It'll take a while for me to adjust since I'm such a novice. I'll get better with time. Thanks again.
I haven't been watching for a while, but where did Jordan and Chris go?? Their reviews and field tests were awesome and I liked their dynamic. Come back!!
Thank you for your nice reviews on the RX100-series! I really liked watching them. Could you please help me decide between the RX100 M3 or M4? I don't care about filming in 4K, I will just use 1080p. Is the filming quality in 1080p and photo quality of the M3 the same as the M4? And as there a difference between the internal audio quality and focus speed? Thank you in advance.
Finally finally finally finally Finally finally finally finally the video we've beeb waiting for. Well at least 1/3 because I want the a7rii and RX10 review also.
This was a great review Jordan. Well done! I loved your honesty with the viewfinder. Totally makes sense and glad someone is being realistic about it instead of just claiming how amazing it is without actually using it. Cheers!
After buying the RX100 IV for the 4K video I've been disappointed that on the 4K setting you are restricted to the Standard Steadyshot setting whereas if you select 1080p you get Intelligent Steadyshot which is much better. Consequently my 4K video has been so shaky and hardly usable. I hope there's a firmware update coming to fix that. For the price I paid I expected more from the 4K.
S787iFly I'm guessing it's either a processor limitation, or the high level stabilization uses sensor-based stabilization as well as body/lens stabilization.
I own the Leica D Lux Type 109 and first of all not mentioned in your review is that the Sony is limited to 5 mnts video recording due to overheating issues. The Leica can record up to 15 mnts plus it has a bigger sensor and low light performance bokeh is better.
The amount of technology packed into this little camera is just insane, Sony is charging a premium price for it because they did an outstanding job in R&D and today there is simply nothing like it in the market.
Loved the change in anchor and clearly Chris is not happy being behind the camera :D. Just look at the camera more while presenting and also pause to make a few faces and breathers :)
The Camera Store Jordan, two questions: 1. Doesn`t the the Sony RX100IV (as other Sony RX100 and Sony more recent cameras) have MR - Memory Recall? I mention this because of the usability issue you mention about being able to quickly switch between different Video and Stills mode settings (something I have to deal with having a Sony Nex 7 which is frustrating and extremely limiting to use for photo and video work at the same time because there is no way to store video and stills settings or recall them). I haven`t used MR in any Sony camera but I would think it would allow to do this, say set stills settings on one bank and on the next video settings so one can switch quickly between them? 2. Is 1080p video (internal) as good or better in this camera as Sony RX100 III? Thanx for review
i know x100 iv might be the best pocket-size cam in the market, but Jordan, not all people shot in raw or v-log as u guys, the majority of population would choose jpeg direct output all the time, so in this way, does rx100 iv still the best jpeg output cam in the market?
Jordan you're getting better and better in front of the camera my friend. As long as you don't lose ALL of your goofy awkwardness I think we'll still love you :)
You said phase detect auto focus, sorry your wrong the lV has contrast detect with 25 auto focus points, it wasn't until the release of the V that phase detect was introduced along with 315 focus points
One correction needed here. The RX100 IV doesn't have phase detect focusing. The feature didn't arrive until the Mark V. This is not to say that the Mark IV struggles with autofocus; it's good enough to make Jordan believe it does have phase detect.
Awesome review as always! A bit disappointed there was no mention of the 5 minute record limit on 4K (and reported overheating issues making subsequent recordings after the first 5 mins even shorter).
Jared you mention using VLog on the GH4 while shooting this. As fas I can see the VLog update is still not available. Great that Panasonic gives it to reviewers but I wonder why they still haven't released it to the public?
Okay, now THIS is the review we've been waiting for. Aaaand, of course, someone will chime in and say, "Nah, we're REALLY waiting for the A7ii review." :p
Will B With what the A7S and A7R II can do, I can honestly say the A7S II is almost certainly going to be a camera we can safely buy without reading any reviews.
Mild gargle 4k footage in 5 mins and 960p in horrid resolution? I am sorry, the only 'neat' feature in this camera is the S-Log2 and 2 second of 1080p240 Other than that you pay a price for this camera you can spend on other that does these things better but in a bigger package. Fuck, at least the NX500 has 4k in 15 minutes and an APS-C sensor...
As far as I know, there's no phase detection on it, at least they didn't advertise it. And can you tell us the settings for both images where you compared the still image dynamic range?
Great review, but: No mentioning of the price?! This camera costs 1000$, and you're not taking that into consideration? It's a great camera for sure. But I seriously have some concerns about spending that much money on a compact camera. It's specs are amazing, but the two problems (for me) are the small sensor, the fact that sensor and lens are combined forever and battery life.
Great videography Chris! Maybe you guys should delve into the video side of this RX100 a bit more, it looked great. BTW, do you guys go to -5 on sharpness and NR on the GH4 photo style?
Although it's not pocket-sized, the new Sony RX10 III may be the perfect solution for someone wanting great stills and 4K video in one relatively compact package. It has the same sensor as the RX100 IV and an amazing 24-600mm (35mm equivalent) f2.4-4 super zoom. For me, it may be the perfect travel "bush" camera. It comes out in about 2 1/2 weeks and can be had for $1498 from B & H Photo, for example. I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys think of it.
What a fantastic review, the best one for sure, on point. I cannot decide betwen mIV and mIII, is there any difference in picture quality? I am more into still photography?
You can pick up the LX100 brand new for up to $300 less compared to the RX100 IV. That's a big gap. Plus it has a bigger sensor, slightly longer max focal length, can do a shallower depth of field, and doesn't overheat in 4k mode. Plus I've heard a lot of horror stories on the internet and from friends who've owned it about the camera just breaking randomly and Sony not being of any help with the problem. While you would be hard pressed to find many cases of Panasonic camera owners having any of the same problems.
Good review, I learned some stuff. Being a still photographer with limited video experience, I have to look into S-Log or was it V-Log, argh! Now have to watch again and take notes.
Excellent review. A new camera from Sony is always an exciting time, even if I've got no plans to upgrade... just great to see Sony pushing the boundaries yet again. Looking forward to the RX10 Mk2 review!
igodua guvenc This is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 5 min. of 4K, not a camcorder. You can't expect it to record consecutive 5 minutes clips without overheating. Sony RX10 II will give you 29 min. 4K clips without overheating, and Sony AX100 (camcorder) will shoot 4K till your card is full or battery dead.
@TCS On your great website "All videos are filmed and edited by Jordan Drake, our resident videographer and video specialist." Give Levi some credit too. Especially since he was made fun by forced shooting the XC-10.
Probably fair to mention the 16fps is in "locked AF" mode - might be fine for a burst of someone swinging a golf club, but it's only 5fps with continuous AF. Many of us shoot objects moving in all sorts of directions...
Did you notice any overheating on the sensor? Other reviewers have noticed that after a few 5 minute clips of recording 4k, the camera overheats and locks up.
SenoreQueso This is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 5 min. of 4K, not a camcorder. You can't expect it to record consecutive 5 minutes clips without overheating. Sony RX10 II will give you 29:59 4K clips without overheating, and Sony AX100 (camcorder) will shoot 4K till your card is full or battery dead.
Dynamic range: Thanks a lot for the review!! I was particularly struck by your comparison to the predecessor regarding the noise in the recovered shadows! After looking for raw files from both cameras on the internet and bringing up the shadows I was not able to see this effect. The amount of noise looked about the same to me. That's why I would like to ask you, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind sharing the pictures you presented in the video? Thank you ever so much!
I'm debating whether I should take the RX-100 IV or the LX-100. I'm looking at the LX-100 because of the larger sensor and the higher amount of control dials. You would expect some shallower depth of field while using the LX-100. Why do you think the RX-100 is the better camera? Is it just for video (I'm not very interested in video) or for still photography also?
Jordan I agree with Jean, Great review. The best I've seen from any information source I've looked at. By coming at the camera from the point of view of practical use - I thought was stellar.
Nice solo vid man, well done. Really great to get a hands on experience review. I like you am often video focussed and on paper these guys do seem to have it all, so I was quite interested in the switching between modes rigmarole there. Thanks for the heads up! (From New Zealand!)
Great review Jordan - getting better and better. Sound was excellent - would love to know what you use for equipment and workflow. I can never get sound that sounds that good.
MoCoRealEstate I used a Sony UWP-D11 wireless system run directly into the Panasonic GH4. I use a Rode Invisilav to hide the mic. Simple, and it works great! Jordan @ TCSTV
Great review! Very in-depth review on this camera, answers every question I had. Movie mistake: 5:13 - "I didn't touch anything" 0:53 - "It's ashamed to see great art treated this way" 1:00 - sitting on an old TV :)
I've seen lots of vids with cam overheating in 4k mode at about the 8-10min mark (run 5, hit record again) and with continues HFR shooting... How hot to the touch does this cam get overtime, did you find the heat warnings cut into your usage?
The Sony menu system can be a bit frustrating sometimes... not that the menus are very complex but it's just that there's a lot of stuff and you have to go through them quite often, especially if you shoot both stills and video. And some of the menu items are only available when you are in the mode they apply to. Like for example (at least in my A7) you can't adjust the audio setting unless you are in video mode. So you can't prepare for shooting video while shooting stills... no big deal some might say but... whatever...
I have one...Actually on my 2nd. The 1st one ran HOT in standard HD an shut down for cooling. This 2nd one runs much better and hasn't shut down on me in real life situations. It will if I try 3 (5min) 4k clips in a row. But better than the 1st one I had. Very Happy with mine....
Great Review Jordan! Thanks for bringing up so many practical points for the targeted user. You also brought to my attention the UI... I enjoy shooting both Video and stills, bouncing back and forth does seem like a bit of pain, but I still agree with your opinion that the pros outweigh the cons and this is the best pocket camera option, currently on the market.
What media does it record on? Is there any limit to the video recording time? 29 minutes (this kills it for me) What kind of battery does it use? 1x NP-BX1 Rechargeable Lithium-Ion Battery Pack, 3.6 VDC, 1240 mAh Is the battery removable?
Thanks Jordan @ TheCameraStore. I often record events with my GH4 that records 4K until the card is full, about 1.5 hours on a 64GB card. Also records 3.5 hours on one battery charge. I'd love to get a second angle, so that's what I'm looking for. ObelixCMM, I'd love a camcorder, just haven't found the right one at the right price. GH4 is hard to beat for $1600. Sony A7s would do too, but costs more. Thanks all for responding.
The notes said this was shot with a GH4. Does anyone else notice the moire on his shirt? When he slowly moves, you can clearly see the rounded moire band pattern. I read that the GH4 has a 1:1 sensor crop in 4k. I just ordered a G7 and I hope 4k is really controlled even though it isn't a 1:1 crop. Hmmmm. I'm a little concerned and hope I didn't make a mistake. That's why I love the GH2 that I still use because it has almost moire-less clean 1080p. I am very surprised that Jordan didn't even mention the 5 minute 4k time limit and overheating issues with the RX100 Mark IV in that mode. And the 30 minute 1080p time limit. For filmers, those limitations are deal killers right off the bat. A no go. Nadda.
Hey Jordan, thanks for the review. You said, however, there´s "no crop", and that doesn´t seem to be true, according to the graph you can find on this page: www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100-iv/9 Even more important (to me) the 4K mode doesn´t allow us to shoot in full Steady-shot active mode, but OS only, which means the 4K mode on this cam is both cropped AND "poorly" stabilized when shooting hanheld (compared to the 1080p mode), which is the way the vast majority of people will be shooting video with a portable camera. Another thing that I´d like to know is if there´s any improvement regarding video-AF (The Mark III was OK, but still clearly worse than my A6000). Thanks mate.
1650million Yeah, I read that after we shot. The crop was so minimal (.91X) in 4K though that I didn't even notice it. Stabilization was still quite good with just the optical system. Video AF is OK, but still not nearly as effective as in stills mode. It's an improvement over the RX100 3, but not that dramatic. I'd still say the A6000 is a bit more consistent.In my opinion, Canon's Dual Pixel AF is still the only truly usable video AF with a larger sensor size. Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV Thanks for the comment. That crop makes a theoretical 24mm lens more than 26mm when shooting 4K, and more than 28mm when you´re shooting 1080p in Active mode, so I guess the concept of a "minimal" crop is debatable. What is not is the difference between active mode and OS only, which a makes a huge difference when shooting handheld in every other Sony cam I´ve had so far: from almost steady-cam to simply "not good enough". I think you´re being quite benevolent here... About Dual Pixel being the only "truly usable"... well, you have much more experience than I do, but I can shoot my a6000 with a 35mm (52.5mm eq.) at f/1.8 and don´t recall ever having something out of focus, and yet I´ve seen a 70D "missing" with the 17-55mm at f/2.8. Dual Pixel is better on the more expensive cams, though...
I know it's probably a dumb question, but since you can't connect external audio, exactly how good is the built in Mic? by that I mean even though it may not be great is it significantly better than say the recording mic of your standard Iphone?
Another great review. Thanks! I love the performance of that thing, but honestly, it looked like you were gonna drop it all the time LOL! I hate such small form factors. But that's just my personal opinion. Those menu issues would drive me mad.
Witch one is better to make daily Vlog this spesific sony in you hand or the Canon 70d I am trying to make up my mind in between both cams, I travel a lot please any advices?
Grate review. You guys are doing the best camera reviews on RUclips. Keep up the great work. I'll keep watching.
I bought the RX100 IV. I'm upgrading from the old Sony Cybershot DSC-W80 that I had nearly 10 years ago. It has lasted me a long time. I'm a musician. Rocksubculture and other musician websites recommended the RX100 IV in their best cameras lists. I'm so excited to take use of it to record gigs and some music videos. Thank you for this wonderful review!
Jordan has grown so confident and professional as a presenter. I always liked the guy and the video input was always great, but he really used to need Chris to balance him out. Now he totally holds his own!
Still, looking forward to an a7r II review with both these guys.
Great review, Jordan! TCS' reviews are getting better and better :)
one of the best channel around. Very informative especially the description at the bottom of every video and photos.
Nice review Jordan, the RX100 IV looks like a beast. One thing you didn't mention was the 5 mins max recording time at 4K and overheating. A lot of users have been complaining about recording in 4K and how the camera shuts down to cool off. Was this an issue for you?
SuperSaf TV 5 minutes 4K limit is there for a reason, it is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 4K video. You can't expect it to just push record after 5 minutes, it needs to cool off. For 29 minutes check out RX 10.2, or AX100 if you need camcorder.
ObelixCMM We all agree on the technical reasons, but still, it's something that should be mentioned.
Tony Yes 5 min limit should be mentioned, but all complaints I have seen so far are from people who expect to run camera in 5 min. increments without any stops between
See that's the thing, some users that aren't using it continually for 5 mins but in segments are still facing heating issues. That was the basis of the question (e.g. how many 1 min 4K clips can you do till it heats up)
SuperSaf TV
that would depend on the cooling down time between the shots.
If you want 4k recording for longer periods it's simple. For now get a larger body like the RX10-2. This way you will also get solid external audio.
The RX-100 is a pocket camera that packs the punch of a hollywood grade cinema camera. Some compromises had to be made to make this exceptional product possible.
Nice review. Two quick things: (1) you can put Picture Profile into the function menu, so you can access S-Log2 without having to go into the main menu, and (2) Memory Recall is quite effective at remembering a lot of the settings, so I use it to quickly change between stills and different video modes. That said, I agree with your overall point that more features means even more burden on the limited buttons/dials/ergonomics. I'd prefer if the dials were more customizable (per shooting mode, e.g.), if different video modes/frame rates could be placed in the Fn menu, and other UI improvements as well (why does Center Lock-on AF work in video, but not Lock-on AF: Center, e.g.?). Cheers.
OKay, so I am in big trouble here.
I saw the Panasonic FZ1000 review and the image quality with all the features in it, 4K video, 5 axis stabilization, 120 FPS slow mo in 1080, it just blew me away, then I found this.
Now here are my requirements:
1. Lots of handheld video vlogging or product review cinematics. (FZ1000 I loved) don't know if this has the same 5 axis stabilization
2. Slow mo shots because I do a lot of action filming. (1080- 240 on this camera is Gold but 2 seconds is not enough for me)
The 960 frames per second believe it or not is actually useful for people like me! There 2 seconds is enough.
3. I hate that this is a compact camera, I am more in love with the Bulkier FZ1000
4. No external mic output in this vs the the FZ1000 which can mount a rode on it and take the input.
5. Which has better video quality? in 1080 60 and 4k mode?
Really well done!
Great review. I just picked this camera up 2 days ago. Being a rookie in terms of photography, I found the features and menus to be overwhelming. With that said, practice makes perfect and I have been blown away by the quality of stills and videos that others have taken using this beast.
Dee Jimenez Best thing to do is customize the quick menu once you get a feel for most of the features. With all the settings, it can be difficult to choose what goes where. It even perplexed me a bit , coming from a Sony A6000 which has the same interface (though 1 extra button and dial). I even had to use the Memory Recalls for things like standard and HFR video, and I never use memory presets on my cameras (never had the need).
Christian Fiore Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that. It'll take a while for me to adjust since I'm such a novice. I'll get better with time. Thanks again.
I haven't been watching for a while, but where did Jordan and Chris go?? Their reviews and field tests were awesome and I liked their dynamic. Come back!!
They’re producing episodes for DPReview’s RUclips channel now.
@@TheCameraStoreTV Thanks!!
Thanks for sharing this. I saw your video on Canon G7X M2. Can you please let me know which you find better among the 2?
Thank you for your nice reviews on the RX100-series! I really liked watching them.
Could you please help me decide between the RX100 M3 or M4? I don't care about filming in 4K, I will just use 1080p. Is the filming quality in 1080p and photo quality of the M3 the same as the M4? And as there a difference between the internal audio quality and focus speed? Thank you in advance.
Finally finally finally finally Finally finally finally finally the video we've beeb waiting for. Well at least 1/3 because I want the a7rii and RX10 review also.
Mild gargle Shooting RX10 II tomorrow, A7RII next weekend. Stay tuned!
Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV Can't wait ^^
TheCameraStoreTV Holy crap can't wait for your guys' A7R II review!
TheCameraStoreTV Can't wait for the A7R mark ii review.
TheCameraStoreTV Great!
You guys do killer reviews. You're honest and review the cameras as it would be used accordingly. Thanks as always.
This was a great review Jordan. Well done! I loved your honesty with the viewfinder. Totally makes sense and glad someone is being realistic about it instead of just claiming how amazing it is without actually using it. Cheers!
After buying the RX100 IV for the 4K video I've been disappointed that on the 4K setting you are restricted to the Standard Steadyshot setting whereas if you select 1080p you get Intelligent Steadyshot which is much better. Consequently my 4K video has been so shaky and hardly usable. I hope there's a firmware update coming to fix that. For the price I paid I expected more from the 4K.
S787iFly thanks for that info.
Thanks for this. I was wondering why my 4k was so shaky
S787iFly I'm guessing it's either a processor limitation, or the high level stabilization uses sensor-based stabilization as well as body/lens stabilization.
Either way you would think that they would address that before releasing the feature.
+S787iFly Get a camera stabilizer.
Nice review, and it's pretty awesome too that some stranger didn't lick the camera this time.
I own the Leica D Lux Type 109 and first of all not mentioned in your review is that the Sony is limited to 5 mnts video recording due to overheating issues. The Leica can record up to 15 mnts plus it has a bigger sensor and low light performance bokeh is better.
***** RX 100.4 is much smaller camera, Leica 118mm X 66mm X 55mm vs Sony 102mm X 58mm X 41MM
***** 5mins in 4k only 4k it over heats
The amount of technology packed into this little camera is just insane, Sony is charging a premium price for it because they did an outstanding job in R&D and today there is simply nothing like it in the market.
Best review on the rx100m4 yet, thanks!
Loved the change in anchor and clearly Chris is not happy being behind the camera :D. Just look at the camera more while presenting and also pause to make a few faces and breathers :)
SUPERB review, guys! Also, hat tip to Jordan. Well done!
I enjoy your honest reviews. I'm thinking of picking one up. the iii and IV comparison helped with the deciding factor. keep up the good work!
Interested in how the RX100IV stacks up against the new Fuji x70? Any plans on a comparison video review in regards?
The Camera Store Jordan, two questions:
1. Doesn`t the the Sony RX100IV (as other Sony RX100 and Sony more recent cameras) have MR - Memory Recall? I mention this because of the usability issue you mention about being able to quickly switch between different Video and Stills mode settings (something I have to deal with having a Sony Nex 7 which is frustrating and extremely limiting to use for photo and video work at the same time because there is no way to store video and stills settings or recall them). I haven`t used MR in any Sony camera but I would think it would allow to do this, say set stills settings on one bank and on the next video settings so one can switch quickly between them?
2. Is 1080p video (internal) as good or better in this camera as Sony RX100 III?
Thanx for review
just subbed. great channel. what camera to you recommend for a still and video compact camera for quality
Hello TCSTV, will the Mark V come out very soon?
Thanks for the RX100 IV video!!
i know x100 iv might be the best pocket-size cam in the market, but Jordan, not all people shot in raw or v-log as u guys, the majority of population would choose jpeg direct output all the time, so in this way, does rx100 iv still the best jpeg output cam in the market?
Jordan you're getting better and better in front of the camera my friend. As long as you don't lose ALL of your goofy awkwardness I think we'll still love you :)
You said phase detect auto focus, sorry your wrong the lV has contrast detect with 25 auto focus points, it wasn't until the release of the V that phase detect was introduced along with 315 focus points
I wasas nearly sold on the Rx100iv until I saw the new Lumix TZ101 specs. Would love to see Jordan and Chris review that.............(fingers crossed)
One correction needed here. The RX100 IV doesn't have phase detect focusing. The feature didn't arrive until the Mark V. This is not to say that the Mark IV struggles with autofocus; it's good enough to make Jordan believe it does have phase detect.
Awesome review as always! A bit disappointed there was no mention of the 5 minute record limit on 4K (and reported overheating issues making subsequent recordings after the first 5 mins even shorter).
Jared you mention using VLog on the GH4 while shooting this. As fas I can see the VLog update is still not available. Great that Panasonic gives it to reviewers but I wonder why they still haven't released it to the public?
And this should be the gold standard for camera reviews. Jordan should have dropped a mic at the end
Okay, now THIS is the review we've been waiting for.
Aaaand, of course, someone will chime in and say, "Nah, we're REALLY waiting for the A7ii review." :p
mcrazza Nah, we're REALLY waiting for the A7ii review.
mcrazza Nah, we're REALLY waiting for the A7Sii review (When they announce that camera)
mcrazza "Nah, we're REALLY waiting for the A7ii review."
No we are waiting for A7RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR II review ;)
Will B With what the A7S and A7R II can do, I can honestly say the A7S II is almost certainly going to be a camera we can safely buy without reading any reviews.
genjii931 Yer I agree, but I'd like to see what they have to say about it as the Sony A is maturing nicely. Sony taking a page from Fujifilm.
Can't wait for the RX10 II review. Prices in Europe are through the roof tho :-(
TheMaydayFlyers It's because it's features are out of this world.
TheMaydayFlyers I'm waiting for that review too !! :)
Mild gargle No they are not.
***** Yeah Uh
Mild gargle 4k footage in 5 mins and 960p in horrid resolution? I am sorry, the only 'neat' feature in this camera is the S-Log2 and 2 second of 1080p240
Other than that you pay a price for this camera you can spend on other that does these things better but in a bigger package.
Fuck, at least the NX500 has 4k in 15 minutes and an APS-C sensor...
I know there is mark 5 and 6. IT is worth paying for 5? Is 250 dollars more.
Best pocket camera hands down.
use memory-recall to switch back and forward between preset.
As far as I know, there's no phase detection on it, at least they didn't advertise it.
And can you tell us the settings for both images where you compared the still image dynamic range?
Great review TheCameraStoreTV Jordan!
Looking forward to RX10 II and A7R II
Great review, but: No mentioning of the price?! This camera costs 1000$, and you're not taking that into consideration? It's a great camera for sure. But I seriously have some concerns about spending that much money on a compact camera. It's specs are amazing, but the two problems (for me) are the small sensor, the fact that sensor and lens are combined forever and battery life.
Why not hotshoe like the mark ii??? They have good accessories for it and able to put external flash. Needs a hotshoe and would be perfect!
Really nice complete video, good one Jordan.
Great videography Chris!
Maybe you guys should delve into the video side of this RX100 a bit more, it looked great.
BTW, do you guys go to -5 on sharpness and NR on the GH4 photo style?
Although it's not pocket-sized, the new Sony RX10 III may be the perfect solution for someone wanting great stills and 4K video in one relatively compact package. It has the same sensor as the RX100 IV and an amazing 24-600mm (35mm equivalent) f2.4-4 super zoom.
For me, it may be the perfect travel "bush" camera. It comes out in about 2 1/2 weeks and can be had for $1498 from B & H Photo, for example.
I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys think of it.
That little pocket rocket is sweet!
We want A7R Mark II review, Please...
Thanks for the review, been waiting to see this... RX100 IV ordered...
What a fantastic review, the best one for sure, on point. I cannot decide betwen mIV and mIII, is there any difference in picture quality? I am more into still photography?
You can pick up the LX100 brand new for up to $300 less compared to the RX100 IV. That's a big gap. Plus it has a bigger sensor, slightly longer max focal length, can do a shallower depth of field, and doesn't overheat in 4k mode.
Plus I've heard a lot of horror stories on the internet and from friends who've owned it about the camera just breaking randomly and Sony not being of any help with the problem. While you would be hard pressed to find many cases of Panasonic camera owners having any of the same problems.
Good review, I learned some stuff. Being a still photographer with limited video experience, I have to look into S-Log or was it V-Log, argh! Now have to watch again and take notes.
Ron Paulk
Sony = S-Log
Panasonic = V-Log
BSI didn't bring fast fps, is the D RAM build in in the cmos. The BSI allow this have a better high ISO
Excellent review. A new camera from Sony is always an exciting time, even if I've got no plans to upgrade... just great to see Sony pushing the boundaries yet again. Looking forward to the RX10 Mk2 review!
I love your reviews but its strange that you havent spent any word on heating problems on 4K
igodua guvenc This is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 5 min. of 4K, not a camcorder. You can't expect it to record consecutive 5 minutes clips without overheating. Sony RX10 II will give you 29 min. 4K clips without overheating, and Sony AX100 (camcorder) will shoot 4K till your card is full or battery dead.
@TCS
On your great website
"All videos are filmed and edited by Jordan Drake, our resident videographer and video specialist."
Give Levi some credit too. Especially since he was made fun by forced shooting the XC-10.
Probably fair to mention the 16fps is in "locked AF" mode - might be fine for a burst of someone swinging a golf club, but it's only 5fps with continuous AF. Many of us shoot objects moving in all sorts of directions...
Did you notice any overheating on the sensor? Other reviewers have noticed that after a few 5 minute clips of recording 4k, the camera overheats and locks up.
SenoreQueso This is small pocket sized stills camera that shoots 5 min. of 4K, not a camcorder. You can't expect it to record consecutive 5 minutes clips without overheating. Sony RX10 II will give you 29:59 4K clips without overheating, and Sony AX100 (camcorder) will shoot 4K till your card is full or battery dead.
Dynamic range:
Thanks a lot for the review!! I was particularly struck by your comparison to the predecessor regarding the noise in the recovered shadows! After looking for raw files from both cameras on the internet and bringing up the shadows I was not able to see this effect. The amount of noise looked about the same to me. That's why I would like to ask you, if it's not too much trouble, would you mind sharing the pictures you presented in the video? Thank you ever so much!
I'm debating whether I should take the RX-100 IV or the LX-100. I'm looking at the LX-100 because of the larger sensor and the higher amount of control dials. You would expect some shallower depth of field while using the LX-100. Why do you think the RX-100 is the better camera? Is it just for video (I'm not very interested in video) or for still photography also?
BaronVince LX-100 sensor is not that much bigger, it is 4/3 sensor but it is never used in its full size
Jordan
I agree with Jean, Great review. The best I've seen from any information source I've looked at. By coming at the camera from the point of view of practical use - I thought was stellar.
For vlogging, would you recommend this camera over the Canon 80D?
It's being said over the Internet that this camera overheats when shot in 4K. Did you come across with any of this issue?
Very helpful review Jordan.
Nice solo vid man, well done.
Really great to get a hands on experience review. I like you am often video focussed and on paper these guys do seem to have it all, so I was quite interested in the switching between modes rigmarole there. Thanks for the heads up!
(From New Zealand!)
Richand Fleur Jackson Not solo, Chris was recording ;)
The Right guy for this review
Great review Jordan - getting better and better. Sound was excellent - would love to know what you use for equipment and workflow. I can never get sound that sounds that good.
MoCoRealEstate I used a Sony UWP-D11 wireless system run directly into the Panasonic GH4. I use a Rode Invisilav to hide the mic. Simple, and it works great!
Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV That's awesome - thanks for the info Jordan.
Great review! Very in-depth review on this camera, answers every question I had. Movie mistake:
5:13 - "I didn't touch anything"
0:53 - "It's ashamed to see great art treated this way"
1:00 - sitting on an old TV
:)
I've seen lots of vids with cam overheating in 4k mode at about the 8-10min mark (run 5, hit record again) and with continues HFR shooting... How hot to the touch does this cam get overtime, did you find the heat warnings cut into your usage?
At long last! I hope you'll soon have hands on review on RX10II and A7RII
XtrAMassivE Shooting the RX10 II video tomorrow! Follow us on Instagram (thecamerastoretv) to see some BTS images.
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TheCameraStoreTV
awesome, following already!
TheCameraStoreTV Shooting tomorrow, so we can expect it posted early Tuesday morning ;)
The Sony menu system can be a bit frustrating sometimes... not that the menus are very complex but it's just that there's a lot of stuff and you have to go through them quite often, especially if you shoot both stills and video. And some of the menu items are only available when you are in the mode they apply to. Like for example (at least in my A7) you can't adjust the audio setting unless you are in video mode. So you can't prepare for shooting video while shooting stills... no big deal some might say but... whatever...
Should I get this camera? I don't know if I should because of the wierd slo motion and horrible menus :/
I have one...Actually on my 2nd. The 1st one ran HOT in standard HD an shut down for cooling. This 2nd one runs much better and hasn't shut down on me in real life situations. It will if I try 3 (5min) 4k clips in a row. But better than the 1st one I had. Very Happy with mine....
Great Review Jordan! Thanks for bringing up so many practical points for the targeted user. You also brought to my attention the UI... I enjoy shooting both Video and stills, bouncing back and forth does seem like a bit of pain, but I still agree with your opinion that the pros outweigh the cons and this is the best pocket camera option, currently on the market.
What media does it record on?
Is there any limit to the video recording time? 29 minutes (this kills it for me)
What kind of battery does it use? 1x NP-BX1 Rechargeable Lithium-Ion Battery Pack, 3.6 VDC, 1240 mAh
Is the battery removable?
Robert Shaver SD Cards, SDXC required for XAVC recording.
5 minute record time in 4K, 29 min in 1080P.
Removable BX1 battery.
Jordan @ TCSTV
Robert Shaver Looks like you need camcorder, not pocket sized stills camera that shoots video.
Thanks Jordan @ TheCameraStore. I often record events with my GH4 that records 4K until the card is full, about 1.5 hours on a 64GB card. Also records 3.5 hours on one battery charge. I'd love to get a second angle, so that's what I'm looking for. ObelixCMM, I'd love a camcorder, just haven't found the right one at the right price. GH4 is hard to beat for $1600. Sony A7s would do too, but costs more.
Thanks all for responding.
Robert Shaver Sony AX100 is camcorder with 4K 1" type sensor and it sells for $1,698.00
ObelixCMM That's a good suggestion. The lower cost AX33 might be worth looking at for that second angle shot too.
Hey guys!
How does the rx100 iv compared to the Panasonic lx100 in terms of low light video?
Thanks Jordan. Loads of info! Amazing little camera.
Great review - thanks!
1:40. I'm pretty sure the IV has contrast detect not phase.
Doesn't the IV have contrast detection for auto focus....you said phase detection. I thought the V introduced PT.
The notes said this was shot with a GH4. Does anyone else notice the moire on his shirt? When he slowly moves, you can clearly see the rounded moire band pattern. I read that the GH4 has a 1:1 sensor crop in 4k. I just ordered a G7 and I hope 4k is really controlled even though it isn't a 1:1 crop. Hmmmm. I'm a little concerned and hope I didn't make a mistake. That's why I love the GH2 that I still use because it has almost moire-less clean 1080p. I am very surprised that Jordan didn't even mention the 5 minute 4k time limit and overheating issues with the RX100 Mark IV in that mode. And the 30 minute 1080p time limit. For filmers, those limitations are deal killers right off the bat. A no go. Nadda.
Does this burn through the battery just as bad at 240-960 or does it last longer at the lower framerates? 20min ain't much
Hey Jordan, thanks for the review. You said, however, there´s "no crop", and that doesn´t seem to be true, according to the graph you can find on this page: www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100-iv/9
Even more important (to me) the 4K mode doesn´t allow us to shoot in full Steady-shot active mode, but OS only, which means the 4K mode on this cam is both cropped AND "poorly" stabilized when shooting hanheld (compared to the 1080p mode), which is the way the vast majority of people will be shooting video with a portable camera.
Another thing that I´d like to know is if there´s any improvement regarding video-AF (The Mark III was OK, but still clearly worse than my A6000).
Thanks mate.
1650million Yeah, I read that after we shot. The crop was so minimal (.91X) in 4K though that I didn't even notice it. Stabilization was still quite good with just the optical system.
Video AF is OK, but still not nearly as effective as in stills mode. It's an improvement over the RX100 3, but not that dramatic. I'd still say the A6000 is a bit more consistent.In my opinion, Canon's Dual Pixel AF is still the only truly usable video AF with a larger sensor size.
Jordan @ TCSTV
TheCameraStoreTV Thanks for the comment.
That crop makes a theoretical 24mm lens more than 26mm when shooting 4K, and more than 28mm when you´re shooting 1080p in Active mode, so I guess the concept of a "minimal" crop is debatable. What is not is the difference between active mode and OS only, which a makes a huge difference when shooting handheld in every other Sony cam I´ve had so far: from almost steady-cam to simply "not good enough". I think you´re being quite benevolent here...
About Dual Pixel being the only "truly usable"... well, you have much more experience than I do, but I can shoot my a6000 with a 35mm (52.5mm eq.) at f/1.8 and don´t recall ever having something out of focus, and yet I´ve seen a 70D "missing" with the 17-55mm at f/2.8. Dual Pixel is better on the more expensive cams, though...
I know it's probably a dumb question, but since you can't connect external audio, exactly how good is the built in Mic? by that I mean even though it may not be great is it significantly better than say the recording mic of your standard Iphone?
Maybe I missed it, but how is the in-camera mic compared to the G7X Mk2?
Another great review. Thanks!
I love the performance of that thing, but honestly, it looked like you were gonna drop it all the time LOL! I hate such small form factors. But that's just my personal opinion. Those menu issues would drive me mad.
Batteries are part of the reason I use a camcorder, I can cheaply replace the small standard battery with a large entended one.
Witch one is better to make daily Vlog this spesific sony in you hand or the Canon 70d I am trying to make up my mind in between both cams, I travel a lot please any advices?
where the heck is the rx10 ii and the a7r ii review???
yesterday you said tomorrow
Excellent job in the video! Thanks.
Couldn't you use the memory recall function to switch between shooting modes?
Feels nice to see a long, detailed review without the phrase "That being said", being said. Oh wait, spoke too soon. 10:22
Omar Carrasquillo Dammit!
Jordan @ TCSTV
Jordan; did you forget to talk about 4k record time limit?
Very good review thx... can't wait for the R10 II Review. I wish those Sony Cameras had a swivel screen rather than an only the tilt option.
this camera is a beast of technology !!! congrat sony
it is good camera for point and shoot camera??btw how about auto image quality?
great job Jordon