@@Hathur Brandon Lee was actually hit by a bullet, not a casing. A defective dummy round's bullet from a previous shoot was lodged in the barrel, and the explosive force of the blank shot the bullet into Lee. A dummy round, for clarification, is a full bullet and casing but with no primer or propellant. A blank is the opposite - It has no bullet, but has the normal amount of primer and propellant. Unfortunately, combining them in this way amounts to pretty much an actual real round. That said, blanks by themselves can still kill. More than a few people have pointed blank-loaded guns at their own heads thinking its perfectly safe, not knowing the explosive force of the blank, even without a bullet, can kill at close range.
Starship trooper comicly enough expanded 30,000 rounds of blank ammunition to make the film. I dont remember hearing anything about people dying on that set
The key difference being that they weren’t using live weapons and relying on an incompetent armorer to avoid live rounds on set. There should have been zero live rounds on the entire production premises (not just the set, but everywhere they’re working), and any dummy rounds under strict lock and key. As soon as you let any live rounds on site, you have to stop production.
@@edsutherland8266actually the guns were fully functional, they were just firing blanks only. There are a couple videos here on youtube of actual functional examples used in the movie, now owned by collectors and firing live ammo for fun.
And in the movie "Lord of War" they had 1,000's of real AK47's and had to alert surrounding countries about filming the scene with all the tanks lined up.
It’s crazy how the US Army can conduct wargames every year with 18-20yr olds with real rifles and blank fire adapters and not have any incidents like on the Rust set.
Well, they don't tend to hand carry their weapons to the event. And they are inspected multiple times with different safety officers even when they do.
Well technically there are occassional live rounds mixed in/fired from time to time. And I had some training stopped for opfor noticing a live round mixed in their supply. But it is extremely easy to tell the diffefence and it's complaceny/negligence for letting it happen.
@@stevenbehun7561 This. I was on my first live fire and we were switching between plugged barrel on and off. I happened to have the 203 as well, but that didn't matter related to this. We were about to go live and the NCO in my bunker firing position called stop when he noticed my plug was still on. I'm good at attention to detail, but this is why the military trains so much in it. Good learning lesson and stopped a bad day from happening. I was getting married 4 days later, too.
Seriously. Stupid fucking actors just waving guns around because they can. The cameras weren't even rolling when he shot that woman, he was just fucking around
@@lucsabourin1129 and actors are expected to point guns at others and in the direction of others and fire them, they are supposed to be blanks or fake rounds though.
The easiest way to avoid another Rust situation is by not hiring useless nepotism hires that are dumb enough to bring live ammunition onto a film set. Bonus Fact: Lowtiergod dated a 17 year old when he was 29.
And more importantly training people who handle firearms. There is no reason at all by ANYONE who handled that firearm for there to have been live rounds.
@@bobfg3130you can easily use real guns too and be perfectly safe as long as you don’t hire dumbass unqualified people to handle them. Like the first guy said, there’s no reason live ammunition should have ever been brought to a film set
a blank is a type of ammunition, but I understand what you mean. The problem is it requires many, many hours of gun use to be able to distinguish between blanks of different calibers for different guns, bullet firing rounds of various calibers for different guns, and other types of ammunition for different guns. People from anti-gun societies don't have this background and believe that a quick introduction class gives them the necessary experience to properly mange a guns and ammunition. If you put the wrong blank in the wrong gun, you can still have a deadly catastrophe.
Lol. You don't need hours upon hours to tell the difference between blanks of different calibers, they're all labeled like regular ammo. And if you somehow through pure luck get the wrong blank into a blank gun, or a real gun, it won't fire.
The fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your guns...and the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle .5 0"...written on the side of mine...
I actually liked the covenant. Yes in the end it was a tad over the top Hollywood, but the emotional drama and story actually was quite good. The movie didn't get the respect it deserved. Not saying that it would have dominated at the box office, but it has a strong storyline, great cast, and the tension was just enough to make it appeal to a broader audience. Not every film in that genre can pull that off. There's another film which I cannot remember the name of, but it was an English dubbed film with Iraqi actors portraying Iraqi forces against militants and they got ambushed. That was a good flick for a foreign film.
@@bobfg3130poor Bob here suffers from 'inanimate gun shaped objects are evil and kill people' syndrome. Seek help Bob. The guns themselves aren't the problem. They never are.
In fact: many films have been using real guns including long miniseries like Band of Brothers & The Pacific. Statistically, majority of movies use real guns. That's why hire an expert is important
Yes, especially revolvers are so easy to use with blanks. Semis or Autos have to be modified to a blow back or blank firing variant first. Fun fact, Goldeneye, the Bond movie from 95 uses live ammo in the movie. The shooting on the glass shield on the beginning was not FX. They used real AKs with live rounds to shred the glass shield.
Military technical adviser are hired by a studio production but it’s a director who makes artistic decisions on set and not many actors are Veterans. As for weapons, uniforms, equipment, etc… it depends who is hired to research for time period accuracy.
I literally was gonna comment this. They made a movie back in the day and the whole cast was navy seals, and that movie was spot on. Maybe if they made military movies with actual veterans or military trainers that have actually been and done it then they woukd have incidents
Why would it be Alec? There were 3 people who should have checked for safety before the gun was handed to him. Why would he think he was handed a loaded weapon on a movie set? The actors aren't in charge of safety but ignorant people like you wouldn't know that.
@@submetropolis He was one of them. Let's not let him off the hook and make excuses for him just because he's one of the pretty, famous people we've designated for the special privileges in society. Actors are on the hook for the same safety rules the rest of us have to live by, like, "TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE LOADED". Remember that one? Baldwin didn't. If he did what he did without being on set, or without being famous, what would you be saying? Baldwin gets to be the emblem of his own malfeasance, and that is the price that comes with being one of the pretty, famous people. When you fuck up, you get to be famous for that too. Someone hands you a loaded gun, you check it just like the rest of us, and you do not get to make shitty comments and fuck around with guns just because you can afford the PR consultants and the high-end lawyers after things go sideways. How's that for ignorance?
@@boonamai8926 Actors in action films point guns at people all the time and pull the trigger. Its harmless if the gun isn't loaded. Unfortunately , the armourer put live ammo in Alex's gun.
this movie is so weird. it looks like a cheap direct to video production they filmed somewhere in the hills behind los angeles but its also from guy richi and got some well known actors
Blank guns are real guns that have been modified to shoot blanks. Seeing a lot people saying to just use blank guns without knowing that they are real guns. ruclips.net/video/GnOUrRTf6jg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@vincentparra349in the movie Heat, the bank robbery scene alone was a real gunfire sequence. Blanks in real guns were central to the realistic shootout. Combined with the shoot and cover tactics used by the robbers, for years now actual law enforcement and the US military have shown that scene to train recruits, precisely because it is so realistic. It contains examples of proper technique when handling enemy engagements alongside friendlies. It’s also it’s hailed by actual bank robbers for its authenticity. So 🤷🏻♂️ some fake stories by professional filmmakers can make a difference, and impact the real world
@la213blanco Heat is the benchmark though and you can't compare the crappy modern era where they use Cgi for literally everything and BB guns as a stand in for military assault rifles. Michael Mann wanted all his sets to be real locations. It sucks to watch these movies as everything looks so synthetic compared to say Heat or Saving Private Ryan
Or don’t hire an armorer that uses the set guns to shoot live rounds for fun between takes and then forgets that there’s live ammo in them, not disregarding the fact that alec should’ve safety checked the gun he used before handling it. As well as followed through with basic gun safety rules. If a person dies on a movie set from a car accident it’s not like you use fake cars to prevent another accident from Happening.
@@duanebrady8446 It is. Because he didn't check if the gun was loaded. Pulling the trigger is fine if the gun is unloaded. It's called dry firing. It was accidental, because he wasn't practicing proper gun safety, deal with it instead of your weird conspiracy bullshit.
@@simoneidson21 I think he's saying it was Negligent Homicide, which is accurate (particularly under NM law). Calling it a "Negligent Discharge" rather misses the whole dead woman aspect.
The actors involved with firearm scenes should all be examining the firearm and have a competent firearms handler explain to them what to look for and how to look for it.
They’re all generally taught the basics. Some just choose to ignore even the most fundamental stuff like pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger without checking anything
That's a common rule on any film that has firearms. Maybe the real problem is diversity hires stepping into positions that SHOULD be held by QUALIFIED applicants/personnel. DEI fails again, and will continue to fail, just like communism.
@@TonyCox1351that’s nice and all but it’s a movie, they use blanks and point it at people. The armorer is supposed to have the very important job of checking each individual round.
@@Hathur You have a fundamental lack of understanding both of what happened to Brandon Lee and how bullets work and should not be trying to educate anyone. Lee was killed by a squib, an actual projectile lodged into a gun barrel that was then fired from a "blank" round. It might as well have been a live round and was preventable negligence. A bullet casing will never go through the barrel of a gun. All of the components of the prop ammo used in The Crow accident functioned exactly as they should have.
However, u can easily tell these weapons are fake，It completely resets the authenticity of the environment. I mean look at that Chinese knockoff Eotech OGL, it’s so obvious.Should just switch to no live ammo only blank rounds and real equipment, if it’s not a budget issue.
That's an L3 peq 15 dude. But yeah it looks fake as hell they could have at least gone with real equipment on a more real looking 416 especially with the main character. Like that ta31 is so clearly fake it's not funny
This movie was terrible. It wasn't the story that killed it, it was the fact they asked someone who never held a gun before to be their military advisor.
do you honestly think that 99% of viewers cared about technical innacuracies? the movie was great as a piece of art, it wasnt trying to be a documentary
How about just 0 live ammo? Oh & hire actual professionals who set-up along with other safety precautions a multi teared and weapon checks. They're obviously airsoft. I don't think they had a ton of mlok back then. Probably should have had a lot more quad rails. Love me a good quad. I still run a Troy quad rail on my Spikes 16" build
@@animal0mother it takes like 9 months to make an idiot though and most of the time they really aren't distinguishable before they reach about 12 years of age, you have almost 13 years to stop each one before it's too late so it's easier to ban idiots than to do prohibition.
Guy Richie is a twot, professionals have been using real guns and blanks since the beginning of movie making. Never point a gun at something you don't want to kill or unless it's been declared safe by the 1stAD, the armourer and both actors on a movie set.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba yet he used the gun as not while filming, he (after the cut) pulled out the gun pointed and shot it. Baldwin should have rendered or checked the gun safe himself. Its extremely easy and gun safety rules exactly describe that EVERYONE handling the gun must check it or treat it as loaded. Baldwin is a childish, immature, 'holier than thou', insufferable, know it all anti gunner, had he allowed himself to be taught how to safely handle a firearm and this would have been prevented. Oh, and baldwin was the one to hire her, so the blame is on him anyways. Had Alec not been an insufferable, immature and childish anti gunner he would have slloe
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba he was a producer and had plenty of onset experience handling these types of firearms to know better and what proper procedure is. That's where he is screwed. Hes not a novice and it was his show. The buck stops with him.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba If you are an adult, the legal system has ALWAYS held that, the SECOND the gun is in YOUR hands, YOU are responsible. Alex Baldwin violated BASIC firearms safety. There are only FOUR basic rules. Baldwin violated at LEAST two, and potentially all four.
As a filmmaker and student I genuinely don't understand why actors don't use airsoft guns more. Honestly just film them having an airsoft battle and there you go everyone has fun.
Mostly its about realism. A blank fired from a real gun, or a blank firing replica, both looks and feels more authentic than an airsoft gun ever really can. Its the same reason as why we use metal swords in films instead of plastic ones. They can look good enough, but never perfect.
@mattpeters7884 Because they do not "buck" like real arms. They lose out on realism by acting like laser guns guns with sounds and flashes added after production. They are fine for background characters but are useless for central shots.
Get in John wick they use real guns but they just have the blanks. And the actor plays John wick is actually trained on how to use guns safely. And that franchise is the best right now because we're getting more stuff from it.
Are you kidding? All the guns in John Wick are shitty airsoft models with the most horrendous muzzle flash VFX applied. Look up Corridor Digital's re-do of the John Wick VFX.
@@alohayoutube then you've never seen Brandon Herrera reacting to the movie he actually said when he was shooting the AR-15 in the first movie it was blank rounds. It's just a bullet casing and powder no bullets and that's what makes a blank gun.
@@Darth_Traitorous They also you a blank firing adapter which is basically a plug with a small hole in it instead of the normal flashhider. It ups the pressure of the system so the gun operates and prevents a real projectile from being fired.
@@jackc4421 It definitely effects the look of the film, though. Like ET getting the guns replaced with walkie-talkies really looks distracting and takes the tension out of the scene as the kids escape the Feds. Same goes for a production with obviously plastic and rubber guns, just destroys the tension and suspension of disbelief. And even if the fake guns do look similar to real ones, the lack of real recoil is impossible to hide, and CGI muzzle flash just looks awful in any film. Ritchie hasn't been on his game for a while now, though.
'Rust' production: *Hires idiots with lack of proper experience* Guy Ritchie: "AiRsOfT gUnS are SaFeR aNd LoOk ReAlIsTiC, nO NeEd To HiRe A cOmPeTeNt ArMoReR."
That’s exactly the one I have. They didn’t even bother to modify it, just slapped an optic and laser on. Unfortunately this makes the whole movie look like an airsoft tournament
That's actually super sad and pathetic since the Rust "accident" required a hammer cock AND a trigger pull to fire AND live ammo was found on set where only blanks should be
They can fire blanks because they are a real gun as blanks and live ammunition still work off the same firing mechanism. Only difference is Live rounds have a projectile and an amount of powder to actually launch it and blanks do not have a projectile and have (generally) significantly less powder amount. Warning, Blanks with powder CAN still kill people if shot close enough to a person's body.
It depends on the type of gun. Something like say an AK-47 would have to be modified to fire blanks because in order for it to cycle the next round gas has to travel up the gas tube from the barrel after a shot is fired and blanks to send enough up because it all goes straight out the barrel since there’s no bullet in the way. Something like the revolver that was used in Rust can fire blanks or live rounds because it doesn’t need anything but a thumb to cock the hammer for it to be able to fire
Blanks were invented for real guns. Modifying a real gun to fire blanks usually requires blocking the barrel. This barrel block not only ensures the weapon is able to cycle using the blank, the barrel block is also there as a safety to stop projectiles from exiting the barrel. In the case of revolvers, which don’t operate using the gas discharge of the cartridge, a barrel block jut keeps projectiles from flying. Blanks are real cartridges that don’t have a projectile inserted, but another projectile can be put in front of the blank's gas discharge. If you leave a cleaning rod in the barrel when firing the bank, that rod becomes a projectile when a blank goes off behind it. This is why anything that uses blanks are regulated by firearms laws including the non-weapons developed over the past ~50 years that also use blanks. Your local hardware stores probably sells nail guns that use blanks to launch nails through thick materials. One must also ensure they put the correct blank into the correct gun as the wrong blank in the wrong gun can still be deadly with or without a barrel block.
It all depends on the movie. Some use replicas, some use “green gas” guns, some use ones that can only fire a particular blank, some use real firearms, and some use a combo. Most movie sets have very strict safety guidelines around firearms. From everything we learned about Rust, that movie set did not..
"Starfall authorized. Knights on their way. Look to the heavens, we are coming." "They came to die with us. The least decency we could offer was to stay alive until they got there." I absolutely love those two quotes.
"negligent" that guy was arguing with her for weeks before the "accident" she was threatening to shut him down and then he just so happened to make 5 takes of shooting right "at" her... Right...
Negligent discharge? Are you serious? He point the gun at her and pulled the trigger. It has been proven multiple times that that revolver cannot fire the way he claimed.
I believe Alec Baldwin murdered the woman and got away with it. He had motive and nearly brought another person who thankfully survived. The whole thing is a big mess we should learn what and what not to do.
I go way back in Ritchie’s career, back when I thought geceas a poser hair stylist cinema wannabe. Either I misapprended him thrn, or he has become a much more deeply grounded buman with multiple talents. As well as above average intelligence and compassionate foresight. Well done. True evolution to a heightened awareness and compassion. -Dan
As an airsoft player I always find it fun to find airsoft replicas in movies. If you look at the barrel if the muzzle has the faint bit of gold or bright silver, it’s the brass or steel inner barrel the bb goes through. They usually forgot to take them out.
The entire leadership of Rust were criminally stupid for allowing live ammo on set. Including the armorer.
@Hathur what casing...? Blanks are crimped....
@@Hathur Brandon Lee was actually hit by a bullet, not a casing. A defective dummy round's bullet from a previous shoot was lodged in the barrel, and the explosive force of the blank shot the bullet into Lee.
A dummy round, for clarification, is a full bullet and casing but with no primer or propellant. A blank is the opposite - It has no bullet, but has the normal amount of primer and propellant. Unfortunately, combining them in this way amounts to pretty much an actual real round.
That said, blanks by themselves can still kill. More than a few people have pointed blank-loaded guns at their own heads thinking its perfectly safe, not knowing the explosive force of the blank, even without a bullet, can kill at close range.
@@Hathurcasing out of barrel?
@@rye9118I thought it was a piece of debris lodged in the barrel propelled out by a blank
yet again; just another Say-Tan-ic sacrifice in Hollywood. do you REALLY think that was all unplanned and random? open your eyes!
Starship trooper comicly enough expanded 30,000 rounds of blank ammunition to make the film. I dont remember hearing anything about people dying on that set
Weird, when they do not actively point their guns at staff members in anger. Or rely on incompetent staff...
I heard it was over 300,000
The key difference being that they weren’t using live weapons and relying on an incompetent armorer to avoid live rounds on set. There should have been zero live rounds on the entire production premises (not just the set, but everywhere they’re working), and any dummy rounds under strict lock and key. As soon as you let any live rounds on site, you have to stop production.
@@edsutherland8266actually the guns were fully functional, they were just firing blanks only. There are a couple videos here on youtube of actual functional examples used in the movie, now owned by collectors and firing live ammo for fun.
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How to avoid what happened on Rust, hire an armorer for your film who actually knows wtf they're doing.
For movies like this military backgrounds hires are the best, especially ex special forces
She did. Not her fault the producer. Her boss. Ignored her
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Not true, she's apparently had a history of being negligent. This is just the first time someone died as a result.
@@cytorakdemon I mean even if so. Still true. We know he ignored her lol that's a courtroom fact
Or just don’t use real guns problem solved
And in the movie "Lord of War" they had 1,000's of real AK47's and had to alert surrounding countries about filming the scene with all the tanks lined up.
When i was young watching movies i thought Hollywood had its own prop gun department like a factory producing show replicas for collectors.
Supposedly the production of the original Red Dawn drew the attention of the local Army garrisons for their Soviet vehicles and mocked up DShKs
They were VZ58s, not AK47s (watch brendon herrera's lord of war video)
I heard that they've used real guns, because it was cheaper than buy replicas. LOL.
@@veaceslavgoncharov It is, specially in bulk.
It’s crazy how the US Army can conduct wargames every year with 18-20yr olds with real rifles and blank fire adapters and not have any incidents like on the Rust set.
Well, they don't tend to hand carry their weapons to the event. And they are inspected multiple times with different safety officers even when they do.
Agreed. We should probably follow military gun regulations. They are, after all, significantly more stringent than public gun safety laws in the US.
Well technically there are occassional live rounds mixed in/fired from time to time. And I had some training stopped for opfor noticing a live round mixed in their supply.
But it is extremely easy to tell the diffefence and it's complaceny/negligence for letting it happen.
@@stevenbehun7561 This. I was on my first live fire and we were switching between plugged barrel on and off. I happened to have the 203 as well, but that didn't matter related to this. We were about to go live and the NCO in my bunker firing position called stop when he noticed my plug was still on. I'm good at attention to detail, but this is why the military trains so much in it. Good learning lesson and stopped a bad day from happening. I was getting married 4 days later, too.
This is why Rust's armorer is sitting in prison. She had ONE job.
The most important safety is between your ears
mine is between my legs
Seriously. Stupid fucking actors just waving guns around because they can. The cameras weren't even rolling when he shot that woman, he was just fucking around
actually what is between your ears cannt do anything about the stupidity of others
Muzzle control and trigger discipline are the most effective safeties, because the mechanical safeties of the firearm can fail.
@@lucsabourin1129 and actors are expected to point guns at others and in the direction of others and fire them, they are supposed to be blanks or fake rounds though.
The easiest way to avoid another Rust situation is by not hiring useless nepotism hires that are dumb enough to bring live ammunition onto a film set.
Bonus Fact: Lowtiergod dated a 17 year old when he was 29.
And more importantly training people who handle firearms. There is no reason at all by ANYONE who handled that firearm for there to have been live rounds.
@@themeddite2935 Well in Rust it was murder planned.
No. Just don't use real guns. Replicas can be easily made.
@@bobfg3130you can easily use real guns too and be perfectly safe as long as you don’t hire dumbass unqualified people to handle them. Like the first guy said, there’s no reason live ammunition should have ever been brought to a film set
@@bobfg3130just don't bring live rounds simple
Or just don’t bring ammo on set. A lot of prop guns are real and plugged to cycle the firearm
a blank is a type of ammunition, but I understand what you mean. The problem is it requires many, many hours of gun use to be able to distinguish between blanks of different calibers for different guns, bullet firing rounds of various calibers for different guns, and other types of ammunition for different guns. People from anti-gun societies don't have this background and believe that a quick introduction class gives them the necessary experience to properly mange a guns and ammunition. If you put the wrong blank in the wrong gun, you can still have a deadly catastrophe.
Or just don't bring real guns. Blanks kill at 1 metre/3 feet.
Leave it to a brit to fear guns so much he outright bans them
Lol. You don't need hours upon hours to tell the difference between blanks of different calibers, they're all labeled like regular ammo. And if you somehow through pure luck get the wrong blank into a blank gun, or a real gun, it won't fire.
@@userBZDZ blank guns are really guns just plugged so they can cycle.
The fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your guns...and the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle .5 0"...written on the side of mine...
And that movie looks like a plastic direct to DVD action piece they used to make in the early 2010s.
It's actually a really good movie.
The ending is bit over the top, but the message it's representing is pretty cool.
@@OnceUponReddit Eh The Covenant was a let down, and I love all of the actors in it. The story just wasn't there in my opinion
I actually liked the covenant. Yes in the end it was a tad over the top Hollywood, but the emotional drama and story actually was quite good. The movie didn't get the respect it deserved. Not saying that it would have dominated at the box office, but it has a strong storyline, great cast, and the tension was just enough to make it appeal to a broader audience. Not every film in that genre can pull that off.
There's another film which I cannot remember the name of, but it was an English dubbed film with Iraqi actors portraying Iraqi forces against militants and they got ambushed. That was a good flick for a foreign film.
@@OnceUponReddit THIS MOVIE WAS HOT TRASH, COPE HARDER
Exactly. I saw that PEQ15 and said, "oh wow." That's fake as shit. Along with all the firearms. They didn't even recoil. Lol
Yes I did know that.
A lot of them stand out and look like brand new airsoft guns.
Good. Take your realism and shove it somewhere.
@@bobfg3130 are you salty about realism? Lol
@@bobfg3130 like into a better movie? lol weird comment champ.
@@bobfg3130poor Bob here suffers from 'inanimate gun shaped objects are evil and kill people' syndrome. Seek help Bob. The guns themselves aren't the problem. They never are.
@@bobfg3130fear of freedom at unacceptable levels - brit or lib detected
That’s funny because in lord of war they could manage their sets with no problems maybe just step up or step out
In fact: many films have been using real guns including long miniseries like Band of Brothers & The Pacific. Statistically, majority of movies use real guns. That's why hire an expert is important
The Crow also had real guns.
Yes, especially revolvers are so easy to use with blanks. Semis or Autos have to be modified to a blow back or blank firing variant first.
Fun fact, Goldeneye, the Bond movie from 95 uses live ammo in the movie. The shooting on the glass shield on the beginning was not FX. They used real AKs with live rounds to shred the glass shield.
Yeah but that movie is mids
No one cares. Some movies use real, some movies use fake, doesn't matter.
How about using correct weapons for the period. Having directors and actors with military backgrounds or give training and naturaly no live ammo.
Military technical adviser are hired by a studio production but it’s a director who makes artistic decisions on set and not many actors are Veterans. As for weapons, uniforms, equipment, etc… it depends who is hired to research for time period accuracy.
Replicas.
I literally was gonna comment this. They made a movie back in the day and the whole cast was navy seals, and that movie was spot on. Maybe if they made military movies with actual veterans or military trainers that have actually been and done it then they woukd have incidents
Airsoft guns are great film props especially using gas blowback to simulate the function.
Nah, that would employ real veterans. California has an allergy to that.
Huh, didnt have this issue on the set of 'heat'.
Maybe the safety hazard was alec baldwin.
Arrogance kills.
Why would it be Alec? There were 3 people who should have checked for safety before the gun was handed to him. Why would he think he was handed a loaded weapon on a movie set? The actors aren't in charge of safety but ignorant people like you wouldn't know that.
@@submetropolis He was one of them. Let's not let him off the hook and make excuses for him just because he's one of the pretty, famous people we've designated for the special privileges in society. Actors are on the hook for the same safety rules the rest of us have to live by, like, "TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE LOADED".
Remember that one? Baldwin didn't. If he did what he did without being on set, or without being famous, what would you be saying?
Baldwin gets to be the emblem of his own malfeasance, and that is the price that comes with being one of the pretty, famous people. When you fuck up, you get to be famous for that too.
Someone hands you a loaded gun, you check it just like the rest of us, and you do not get to make shitty comments and fuck around with guns just because you can afford the PR consultants and the high-end lawyers after things go sideways.
How's that for ignorance?
@@submetropolis he pointed the gun at her and pulled the trigger. Armorer goes to jail for manslaughter, he goes for murder.
@@boonamai8926 Actors in action films point guns at people all the time and pull the trigger. Its harmless if the gun isn't loaded. Unfortunately , the armourer put live ammo in Alex's gun.
this movie is so weird.
it looks like a cheap direct to video production they filmed somewhere in the hills behind los angeles but its also from guy richi and got some well known actors
Yeah I dont get it. Though to be honest Guy Ritchie's filmmaking has declined. The Gentlemen was not very good.
you sound bitter little one.
have you produced anything better?
Blanked guns work pretty good as well. They cycle and go bang like the real thing, but can only take specific blanks
Blanks can still kill though, as Jon-Erik Hexum demonstrated.
Blank guns are real guns that have been modified to shoot blanks. Seeing a lot people saying to just use blank guns without knowing that they are real guns.
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Blank guns are real guns that have been modified to shoot blanks. ruclips.net/video/GnOUrRTf6jg/видео.htmlfeature=shared
@@animal0mother Only at point-bank range, and even then it's just a burn, not an actual bullet.
Brandon Lee died from a blank.
You can always tell when a firefight is cgi
It's a movie. It's all fake
@@vincentparra349in the movie Heat, the bank robbery scene alone was a real gunfire sequence. Blanks in real guns were central to the realistic shootout. Combined with the shoot and cover tactics used by the robbers, for years now actual law enforcement and the US military have shown that scene to train recruits, precisely because it is so realistic. It contains examples of proper technique when handling enemy engagements alongside friendlies. It’s also it’s hailed by actual bank robbers for its authenticity. So 🤷🏻♂️ some fake stories by professional filmmakers can make a difference, and impact the real world
@@la213blanco 🤓☝🏽
@@vincentparra349
You're mad you got corrected lol
@la213blanco Heat is the benchmark though and you can't compare the crappy modern era where they use Cgi for literally everything and BB guns as a stand in for military assault rifles. Michael Mann wanted all his sets to be real locations. It sucks to watch these movies as everything looks so synthetic compared to say Heat or Saving Private Ryan
Or crazy idea.... properly train the people responsible for handling them
She knew what a blank vs real round looked like it was negligence when she didn’t check the rounds before.
Or don’t hire an armorer that uses the set guns to shoot live rounds for fun between takes and then forgets that there’s live ammo in them, not disregarding the fact that alec should’ve safety checked the gun he used before handling it. As well as followed through with basic gun safety rules. If a person dies on a movie set from a car accident it’s not like you use fake cars to prevent another accident from
Happening.
"Negligent discharge" is one way to put it...
Stop with the conspiracy theory shoestring and thumb tack bullshit
@@simoneidson21 pretty sure pointing a gun at someones head and pulling the trigger isnt a "negligent discharge" anywhere, blank or live rounds
@@duanebrady8446 It is. Because he didn't check if the gun was loaded. Pulling the trigger is fine if the gun is unloaded. It's called dry firing. It was accidental, because he wasn't practicing proper gun safety, deal with it instead of your weird conspiracy bullshit.
@@simoneidson21 I think he's saying it was Negligent Homicide, which is accurate (particularly under NM law). Calling it a "Negligent Discharge" rather misses the whole dead woman aspect.
Alec did it on purpose and got away with it because he's famous just like OJ.
The actors involved with firearm scenes should all be examining the firearm and have a competent firearms handler explain to them what to look for and how to look for it.
Why should they examine it? The director, armorer and safety marshal should have done that. The actor is just there to use a prop and act.
@@submetropolis to avoid this. Since nobody can own up who's at fault, that is how it should be done.
@@submetropolis If you are holding a gun it is your responsibility to check if it is empty
They’re all generally taught the basics. Some just choose to ignore even the most fundamental stuff like pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger without checking anything
It’s not like Baldwin never been on a set, in a movie, handled weapons before. Total copout in his part here acting like just some dumb actor
@fngacademy this explains the lack of realism in how the weapons were interacted with in the film
Can you give an example?
@@OnceUponReddit Sure. Every frame of the movie.
Probably banning real bullets on a set makes more sense.
That's a common rule on any film that has firearms. Maybe the real problem is diversity hires stepping into positions that SHOULD be held by QUALIFIED applicants/personnel. DEI fails again, and will continue to fail, just like communism.
And don't hire arrogant old drunks at the end of their career.
And break one of the key rules of gun safety? Always treat it like it’s loaded with live ammo
They weren’t allowed. Nobody knows or is willing to know how they got there. Only a few rounds were found
@@TonyCox1351that’s nice and all but it’s a movie, they use blanks and point it at people. The armorer is supposed to have the very important job of checking each individual round.
The drastic measure would be banning "trigger-happy idiots who aim guns at innocent people just because they are angry at them" (aka A. Baldwin).
'Negligent discharge'
No buddy
'Deliberate discharge'.
Don't use live rounds? Simple
Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee died because they didn't qctuqlly use blanks. They used horrible wuality dummy rounds that they cut cost on @deadbread8446
@@Hathur You have a fundamental lack of understanding both of what happened to Brandon Lee and how bullets work and should not be trying to educate anyone. Lee was killed by a squib, an actual projectile lodged into a gun barrel that was then fired from a "blank" round. It might as well have been a live round and was preventable negligence. A bullet casing will never go through the barrel of a gun. All of the components of the prop ammo used in The Crow accident functioned exactly as they should have.
@@HathurThat happening has the same probability as an actor falling and breaking his neck. Hes it can and did happen, but its very, very unlikely
@@Hathurhe died by a live round, as pointed by someone else
However, u can easily tell these weapons are fake，It completely resets the authenticity of the environment. I mean look at that Chinese knockoff Eotech OGL, it’s so obvious.Should just switch to no live ammo only blank rounds and real equipment, if it’s not a budget issue.
that's not an eotech ogl clone, it's a peq 15 and it's visually indistinguishable from the real thing. quit talking out of your ass
Blanks may not cycle
@@luislongoria6621blanks will cycle as long as the muzzle is plugged to add gas back pressure.
@@luislongoria6621 There are modifications made specifically for movies that make real guns reliable blank firing guns.
That's an L3 peq 15 dude. But yeah it looks fake as hell they could have at least gone with real equipment on a more real looking 416 especially with the main character. Like that ta31 is so clearly fake it's not funny
It's like Asslic Baldwin was a bad producer or something.
Bad producer and a murderer that is.
The easiest way to avoid another Rust situation would probably have to be not pissing off Agent 47
I hate that I get this reference.
That's one of the things that threw the movie off. Everything was brand new out of the box (Gear, guns and accessories).
This movie was terrible. It wasn't the story that killed it, it was the fact they asked someone who never held a gun before to be their military advisor.
tbh, 99% of viewers wouldn't be able to tell.
nah the movie was a great character drama not so much a war film
do you honestly think that 99% of viewers cared about technical innacuracies? the movie was great as a piece of art, it wasnt trying to be a documentary
Well the plot was excellent, so I wouldn't call it terrible as a whole, but the gunplay was laughable.
Just FYI, they had an actual SF dude on set, who had a brief appearance in the film.
How about just 0 live ammo? Oh & hire actual professionals who set-up along with other safety precautions a multi teared and weapon checks. They're obviously airsoft. I don't think they had a ton of mlok back then. Probably should have had a lot more quad rails. Love me a good quad. I still run a Troy quad rail on my Spikes 16" build
How rust could have been avoided: no DEI
Don't commit murder and you won't kill people, crazy how that works
Sounds like you weren’t following the case at all.
Holy cow, someone who takes safety seriously.
"Negligent Discharge"? That fella shot them cause he could.
I hope the whole Rust situation doesn't imply that every past action film, military film, etc., used real guns instead of blank-firing props.
They should ban idiots instead 😅
That's like alcohol prohibition. Bans aren't effective when the thing is trivially easy to make.
@@animal0mother it takes like 9 months to make an idiot though and most of the time they really aren't distinguishable before they reach about 12 years of age, you have almost 13 years to stop each one before it's too late so it's easier to ban idiots than to do prohibition.
You're telling me.... that the set of the covenant... was a giant airsoft mil-sim match? AWESOME!!!!
When he draws the pistol from the holster you can see that it is an airsoft gun with a piece of tape over the gas fill port lol
He needs to go back to real weapons. Even with a quick glance you can tell those rifles are fake ash smh cmon now guy
Lmao we can tell by the fill valve on that pistol
Ughh. The cgi gun stuff sucks, real bad.
Definitely the worst part of this movie. Was pretty jarring the whole time
no the worst part is the people who think it looks ok… thats what upsets me the most…
Guy Richie is a twot, professionals have been using real guns and blanks since the beginning of movie making. Never point a gun at something you don't want to kill or unless it's been declared safe by the 1stAD, the armourer and both actors on a movie set.
I'd say not having adam Baldwin in the production already a major improvement in workplace safety.
The event of Rust occurred because an arrogant antigunner didnt want to learn gun safety rules.
Doubt
No doubt
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba yet he used the gun as not while filming, he (after the cut) pulled out the gun pointed and shot it. Baldwin should have rendered or checked the gun safe himself. Its extremely easy and gun safety rules exactly describe that EVERYONE handling the gun must check it or treat it as loaded.
Baldwin is a childish, immature, 'holier than thou', insufferable, know it all anti gunner, had he allowed himself to be taught how to safely handle a firearm and this would have been prevented.
Oh, and baldwin was the one to hire her, so the blame is on him anyways.
Had Alec not been an insufferable, immature and childish anti gunner he would have slloe
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba he was a producer and had plenty of onset experience handling these types of firearms to know better and what proper procedure is. That's where he is screwed. Hes not a novice and it was his show. The buck stops with him.
@@DaibhidhBhoAlba If you are an adult, the legal system has ALWAYS held that, the SECOND the gun is in YOUR hands, YOU are responsible. Alex Baldwin violated BASIC firearms safety. There are only FOUR basic rules. Baldwin violated at LEAST two, and potentially all four.
A weapon expert for safety and security would be better
No live ammo .... No deaths 🤷
Brandon Lee was killed by blank ammunition
@@la213blancoit was actually a bit more complicated than that and far more careless details
@la213blanco it wasn't actually blank ammo. It was remade live ammo that was converted into a dummy round, and it was horribly converted
@thehaus6998 plus it was the bits of previous blanks in the barel
@@thehaus6998Then it wasn't a dummy round.
I love how a SF soldier never used his sling yet the "Taliban" did.
As a filmmaker and student I genuinely don't understand why actors don't use airsoft guns more. Honestly just film them having an airsoft battle and there you go everyone has fun.
Mostly its about realism. A blank fired from a real gun, or a blank firing replica, both looks and feels more authentic than an airsoft gun ever really can.
Its the same reason as why we use metal swords in films instead of plastic ones. They can look good enough, but never perfect.
Just have real guns with the firing pin removed
What happens if someone forgets to remove a firing pin? Why not just use Airsoft guns so there is no chance at all.
@mattpeters7884 Because they do not "buck" like real arms. They lose out on realism by acting like laser guns guns with sounds and flashes added after production.
They are fine for background characters but are useless for central shots.
No, just have replicas. It's cheaper.
@@7hart2
Take your realism and shove it somewhere. You shouldn't fire real guns on set.
@@mattpeters7884
Ignore the guy that wants firearms on set. He's damaged.
Get in John wick they use real guns but they just have the blanks. And the actor plays John wick is actually trained on how to use guns safely. And that franchise is the best right now because we're getting more stuff from it.
Are you kidding? All the guns in John Wick are shitty airsoft models with the most horrendous muzzle flash VFX applied. Look up Corridor Digital's re-do of the John Wick VFX.
@@alohayoutube then you've never seen Brandon Herrera reacting to the movie he actually said when he was shooting the AR-15 in the first movie it was blank rounds. It's just a bullet casing and powder no bullets and that's what makes a blank gun.
@@Darth_Traitorous They also you a blank firing adapter which is basically a plug with a small hole in it instead of the normal flashhider. It ups the pressure of the system so the gun operates and prevents a real projectile from being fired.
Alec Baldwin went to prison for his negligent discharge, right?
Not yet, butt I really hope he does go.
@@benterbenter9281looking forward to it. 🙌
Lets hope not
@@MasterKief-fo20you misspelled “Let’s hope so”. 😉
He'll never see the inside of a jail
What happened in rust wasn't negligent discharged. It was deliberate. Baldwin aimed at the person and fired the one and only live round in the gun.
“neglegent discharge if a firearm” twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid saying “alec baldwin shot a woman in the face….”
That’s why it looked fake.
That's why gun scenes and gun themselves looked like shit.
Or just stop hiring Alec Baldwin
Underrated comment
Wasn’t a negligent discharge, he straight up shot someone
Future: "Ok, who swapped out the plastic one with the steel one? Oops 🤷♂️ "
So ritchie makes movies about tough violent men while secretly being a panzy. Shocking.
Well said! I bet that bren gun was real along with that bb gun too! (Lock, stock and 2 smoking barrels)
Having real guns or not in a movie doesn't make you tough or not.
@@jackc4421 It definitely effects the look of the film, though. Like ET getting the guns replaced with walkie-talkies really looks distracting and takes the tension out of the scene as the kids escape the Feds. Same goes for a production with obviously plastic and rubber guns, just destroys the tension and suspension of disbelief.
And even if the fake guns do look similar to real ones, the lack of real recoil is impossible to hide, and CGI muzzle flash just looks awful in any film.
Ritchie hasn't been on his game for a while now, though.
You have an unhinged ideology
'Rust' production: *Hires idiots with lack of proper experience*
Guy Ritchie: "AiRsOfT gUnS are SaFeR aNd LoOk ReAlIsTiC, nO NeEd To HiRe A cOmPeTeNt ArMoReR."
Looks like a VFC HK416A5 in the ral8000 color
That’s exactly the one I have. They didn’t even bother to modify it, just slapped an optic and laser on. Unfortunately this makes the whole movie look like an airsoft tournament
It was not an accidental discharge. It was a willful murder.
That's actually super sad and pathetic since the Rust "accident" required a hammer cock AND a trigger pull to fire AND live ammo was found on set where only blanks should be
WOW!!!!WHAT GENIUS FIGURED THAT ONE OUT.....
I always thought movie guns were fake replicas that only fired blanks to begin with. I never knew they were real until the Rust incident.
They can fire blanks because they are a real gun as blanks and live ammunition still work off the same firing mechanism. Only difference is Live rounds have a projectile and an amount of powder to actually launch it and blanks do not have a projectile and have (generally) significantly less powder amount. Warning, Blanks with powder CAN still kill people if shot close enough to a person's body.
It depends on the type of gun. Something like say an AK-47 would have to be modified to fire blanks because in order for it to cycle the next round gas has to travel up the gas tube from the barrel after a shot is fired and blanks to send enough up because it all goes straight out the barrel since there’s no bullet in the way. Something like the revolver that was used in Rust can fire blanks or live rounds because it doesn’t need anything but a thumb to cock the hammer for it to be able to fire
Blanks were invented for real guns. Modifying a real gun to fire blanks usually requires blocking the barrel. This barrel block not only ensures the weapon is able to cycle using the blank, the barrel block is also there as a safety to stop projectiles from exiting the barrel. In the case of revolvers, which don’t operate using the gas discharge of the cartridge, a barrel block jut keeps projectiles from flying. Blanks are real cartridges that don’t have a projectile inserted, but another projectile can be put in front of the blank's gas discharge. If you leave a cleaning rod in the barrel when firing the bank, that rod becomes a projectile when a blank goes off behind it. This is why anything that uses blanks are regulated by firearms laws including the non-weapons developed over the past ~50 years that also use blanks. Your local hardware stores probably sells nail guns that use blanks to launch nails through thick materials. One must also ensure they put the correct blank into the correct gun as the wrong blank in the wrong gun can still be deadly with or without a barrel block.
It all depends on the movie. Some use replicas, some use “green gas” guns, some use ones that can only fire a particular blank, some use real firearms, and some use a combo.
Most movie sets have very strict safety guidelines around firearms. From everything we learned about Rust, that movie set did not..
Your right , rust was Unprofessional
It's simple. Don't let anyone on set get involved with weapons, who has a personal feud with someone of the crew.
Animated gun shots will always take me out of the moment, the movie heat was so gritty because of its use of blanks
How to say you don't trust your armorer without saying you don't trust your armorer.
The novel and innovative idea of not having actors fucking shoot at each other with guns, wow
Pfffft the lack of recoil was obvious to anyone who has fired a firearm.
He literally said "Realistic visual effects" while they showed a scene of him holding what was clearly an airsoft gun
When you watch a movie and the guy fires his M-4 ,but his dust cover is still closed. 🤔😅🤣😂
It was a shooter problem not a gun problem.
"Starfall authorized. Knights on their way. Look to the heavens, we are coming."
"They came to die with us. The least decency we could offer was to stay alive until they got there."
I absolutely love those two quotes.
Alex Baldwin: Nah, Ima do my own thing...
After thousands of movies and nothing bad happened- it's like blaming the car for drunk drivers,
Act of Valor: take this Kevlar blanket and you’ll be fine.
To avoid what happened in Rust, just don't have Alec Baldwin in your movie.
I feel like most movies have a distinct safety advantage of not having Alec Baldwin on set
At least you understand how insane he is for always wanting to off himself in any battle 💀🤣😭
“The set of Rust, where Alec Baldwin murdered a cinematographer”. There, I fixed it for ya.
Another thing is, don't hire Alec Baldwin in your movie.
Just don't hire Alec Baldwin , then there won't be any fatalities on set........
All he had to do was not hire Alec Baldwin
Look- All I'm saying is that I stand behind Alec Baldwin.
.... Cause there's no way in hell I'm standing in front of him!
"negligent" that guy was arguing with her for weeks before the "accident" she was threatening to shut him down and then he just so happened to make 5 takes of shooting right "at" her... Right...
Just don't hire Alec Baldwin.
Negligent discharge? Are you serious? He point the gun at her and pulled the trigger. It has been proven multiple times that that revolver cannot fire the way he claimed.
It wasnt a negligent discharge of a firearm. It was a negligent loading of a weapon.
Alec Baldwin effect. Thanks dude, now no one can use a real weapon. Full L.A.R.P. Mode activated 🤣🔥
They still looked pretty good honestly. Good reasoning for it too.
EVERY DIRECTOR needs to do this.
that ac 130 mounted cannon and machine gun they brought out for the finale was a hell of an airsoft gun.
I believe Alec Baldwin murdered the woman and got away with it. He had motive and nearly brought another person who thankfully survived. The whole thing is a big mess we should learn what and what not to do.
Sounds like banning Alec Baldwin would have been easier.
I go way back in Ritchie’s career, back when I thought geceas a poser hair stylist cinema wannabe. Either I misapprended him thrn, or he has become a much more deeply grounded buman with multiple talents.
As well as above average intelligence and compassionate foresight.
Well done. True evolution to a heightened awareness and compassion.
-Dan
Maybe don't let Alec Baldwin point guns at people...
As an airsoft player I always find it fun to find airsoft replicas in movies. If you look at the barrel if the muzzle has the faint bit of gold or bright silver, it’s the brass or steel inner barrel the bb goes through. They usually forgot to take them out.