Hi Lesli, I would be amazed if either of these is as good as the Porphis PRD guns but we will see. I presume you are happy with the Porphis gun ?, cheers mate 👍
Hi Pete, once again an interesting initial look at your latest guns mate, they both look nice guns and as you said they look fairly well made for the price, when these sort of guns are released with different colour air caps which turn out to be the same I do wonder just how much R&D has gone into making them but I guess the proof will be in the spraying and how well it lays the paint🤔looking forward to seeing these in action mate👍 I would love to see some pics of your gun rack or cabinet Pete as it must be a sight to behold with all those guns lined up ready for action😲it must be hard to chose which one to use😁thanks buddy👍
Hi John, I would need a long rack mate that's for sure 😂, of these 2 the Dram looks the most interesting, it feels nice in the hand and I think will work well, time will tell, cheers mate 👍
YESSSSS! You surprised me as I thought it would be much longer before you were able to post a video on the Dram. I actually ordered one, and it is on the way as I couldn't resist 😂 The pattern doesn't seem overly big, but it is a 1.3 so that's not a bad thing as always for clear coat. I did notice the ad suggests something like 2.58 bar (37 psi). That does seem high (not by ANI standards comparatively), but it is also rated at 10.59 cfm, which I suppose is at that rated pressure. Very interesting. I do spray MS clears, so that means less is probably needed asssuming accuracy of its ratings. However, Im excited to get it in hand. By the way, after some studying, the 3 split nozzle and air cap appear closer to trying to copy a W400LV LV4 setup with the smaller holes, I think.
Hi Boss. I think the Dram will be a good clear coat gun. With the 3 split tip rather than the 4 and a smaller wetter pattern, I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do. I don't think you'll be disappointed with it, it seems quite well made, which is always a good start 😁 I would be very surprised if it needs 37 psi, but all these guns on Aliexpress and the like have very odd claims in terms of pressures and consumption, we will see, cheers buddy, keep us all posted on what you think when you have a chance to use it 👍
Excelente amigo Petes, yo pedí la draw justamente por qué me llamo mucho la atención su boquita dividida pero desgraciadamente no me llegó y me hicieron el reembolso y yo de necio que la vuelvo a pedir, y según me informaron ahora sí ya llegó, yo ahorita estoy incapacitado pero en cuanto pueda la voy a probar se ve excelente en tu video más aparte con la compatibilidad de las piezas con la wider 4 es de lujo saludos amigo Petes un sincero abrazo
Hi Mr Pete I'll be looking forward for the proper review of both guns. Just a couple months back I was thinking about buying one of these exact guns on AliExpress and I ended up getting the Avalon. I'm happy with it but I was curious about how the Dram performed. Cheers!
@@peteshobbies5383 no sir any problem, the gun works in a very soft way, I don't know if that makes sense but I like using it. But since the Avalon is more expensive than the Dram I want to know if I made the right choice 😂
@juanrivera8566 I guess if you're happy with it, you have made the right choice 😁, the Dram, as you say, is less money, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes, cheers buddy 👍
Hi Mate, I think I've covered that in my reviews. They make many different guns at varying prices. The Porphis top end guns are every bit as good or better than the top names, longevity was something I wasn't sure about but having had my original 3 Porphis gun's one and a half years now without problems I don't think that's in question, cheers 👍
Hi Mate, No, the SK2022 is in a copy of the Iwata Wider4 as far as I know. There are a few that are the same but just different names, same style as the Dram, but without the split tip
It seems to me me the larger companies need to up their game because these smaller outlets are getting good with these copies. I've got many exspensive guns ie Sata,Devilbiss , Walcom but i'm impressed with these cheaper guns if you can dial them in too perform like a £500/£700 gun . Gret video 👍
Hi Jimmy, they will certainly be rattled by the quality that is starting to come along for very little money, as you say, these things are performing as good as top quality gun's, good to hear you enjoyed the video, thanks buddy 👍
Hi Pete, what adapter do you use for the paint cup, also I have noticed when your mixing paint you always weigh it out, is there a method to this? I'm new to this 🙃
Hi Mate, these guns take a number 9 PPS adapter, I only weigh my clear out because the cups I use are unmarked, so it the only way to tell the mix I have, of course, if I am mixing paint from my scheme then you need to use it to measure the amount of the difference tinters to use 😀
Mr. Pete, is the Avalon WLS400 pistol original? There is a website selling it here in Brazil. The seller said it was made in Thailand. Is that right? The nozzle is sliced and sprays the paint evenly.
@@peteshobbies5383 ok friend thanks for your attention, I'm going to save some money to buy wls400, I saw a video of it and it's really good. I just subscribed to your channel a little while ago, hug
Hey Pete Avalon actually has another model which comes with the 2 caps it’s the wls400X has a green cap more for topcoats and the gold cap for basecoat. Trust me they both spray completely differently the green cap has more a tighter fan pattern, and the gold a very wide softer pattern for base. That model acts differently to the one you have here in its split nozzle is slightly different to the purple cap gun.
Hi Mate, OK, I haven't used the other caps, and from photos, they look the same but sounds like they are not, or maybe they are on some, it can be a bit like that sometimes 😉
HEY Pete, just received the Dram and have some interesting observations. After wondering what manufacturer was behind this gun, I noticed the pot lid is imprinted with Avalon. Quite suspect but not 100% proof. Also, the air horn holes are bigger than the W400 Bellaria & LV2, yet smaller than the LPH400 LVX & LV4/J2. I can't say it's exact, but in my opinion, it is an attempt to mimic a would-be updated Kiwami version of the lesser talked about W400LV-LV4 as it is configured similarly with the 3 split nozzle, 4 holes on the face, and relatively compared air horn holes. In the US, the W400LV-LV4 is a 20 psi rated gun. I have yet to spray with either, but look forward to see if it performs near the lower psi as the original. There is only one RUclips review of the Iwata version that I know of.
Hi Boss, Yes, I noticed the air holes in the air horns, and, the air consumption, we're somewhere in the middle of the existing Kiwami4 range. So far, using the Dram, I've been very impressed, especially considering the price. The cup looks exactly the same as the Avalon, so I suspect they are indeed made in the same factory, but obviously, I can't be sure, cheers mate 👍
Hey Pete do u have any experience with voylet spray guns? They have a w-400 gun that called my attention. But I have no experience with them so don’t take this as thumbs up from me. Let me know what u think. I honestly value your opinion.
Hi mate, I haven't seen or used one, I just looked it up, it will depend on price really but I wouldn't spend too much on one as there are some guns about that are ok in the lower price range
Hi buddy, 3 years ago I would have agreed, these days I wouldn't say that's the case. Some of the guns coming from China are good quality, and some form Taiwan not as good, so I think it really depends on what guns they are rather than where they are made, cheers mate 👍
@user-ow8gj3bp8l Hi mate, It's not as good as such low pressure as something like the LPH400 or Wider4L, I think base coat you could do of but not clear coat
Thanks for the video Pete. Looking forward to the true spray test
Hi David, thanks mate 👍
THANKS FOR THE NEW VIDEO, I DID LOOKED AT BOTH THOSE GUNS BEFORE I DECIDED ON THE PORPHIS PRD 717 VS❤
Hi Lesli, I would be amazed if either of these is as good as the Porphis PRD guns but we will see.
I presume you are happy with the Porphis gun ?, cheers mate 👍
Great review as always mate! Looking foward to see how Avalon compared to Porphis. 👍
Thanks mate, that's on my list to do, a side of side of a split tip Porphis and Avalon, cheers 👍
Hi Pete, once again an interesting initial look at your latest guns mate, they both look nice guns and as you said they look fairly well made for the price, when these sort of guns are released with different colour air caps which turn out to be the same I do wonder just how much R&D has gone into making them but I guess the proof will be in the spraying and how well it lays the paint🤔looking forward to seeing these in action mate👍
I would love to see some pics of your gun rack or cabinet Pete as it must be a sight to behold with all those guns lined up ready for action😲it must be hard to chose which one to use😁thanks buddy👍
Hi John, I would need a long rack mate that's for sure 😂, of these 2 the Dram looks the most interesting, it feels nice in the hand and I think will work well, time will tell, cheers mate 👍
YESSSSS! You surprised me as I thought it would be much longer before you were able to post a video on the Dram. I actually ordered one, and it is on the way as I couldn't resist 😂 The pattern doesn't seem overly big, but it is a 1.3 so that's not a bad thing as always for clear coat. I did notice the ad suggests something like 2.58 bar (37 psi). That does seem high (not by ANI standards comparatively), but it is also rated at 10.59 cfm, which I suppose is at that rated pressure. Very interesting. I do spray MS clears, so that means less is probably needed asssuming accuracy of its ratings. However, Im excited to get it in hand.
By the way, after some studying, the 3 split nozzle and air cap appear closer to trying to copy a W400LV LV4 setup with the smaller holes, I think.
Hi Boss. I think the Dram will be a good clear coat gun. With the 3 split tip rather than the 4 and a smaller wetter pattern, I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do.
I don't think you'll be disappointed with it, it seems quite well made, which is always a good start 😁
I would be very surprised if it needs 37 psi, but all these guns on Aliexpress and the like have very odd claims in terms of pressures and consumption, we will see, cheers buddy, keep us all posted on what you think when you have a chance to use it 👍
Excelente amigo Petes, yo pedí la draw justamente por qué me llamo mucho la atención su boquita dividida pero desgraciadamente no me llegó y me hicieron el reembolso y yo de necio que la vuelvo a pedir, y según me informaron ahora sí ya llegó, yo ahorita estoy incapacitado pero en cuanto pueda la voy a probar se ve excelente en tu video más aparte con la compatibilidad de las piezas con la wider 4 es de lujo saludos amigo Petes un sincero abrazo
Hi Mate, It sounds like you are not having much luck. Hopefully, you will get better soon. Let me know how you get on, take care, friend 👍
Hi Mr Pete I'll be looking forward for the proper review of both guns. Just a couple months back I was thinking about buying one of these exact guns on AliExpress and I ended up getting the Avalon. I'm happy with it but I was curious about how the Dram performed. Cheers!
Hi Mate, I think it will perform well, I presume you haven't had any problems with it?
@@peteshobbies5383 no sir any problem, the gun works in a very soft way, I don't know if that makes sense but I like using it. But since the Avalon is more expensive than the Dram I want to know if I made the right choice 😂
@juanrivera8566 I guess if you're happy with it, you have made the right choice 😁, the Dram, as you say, is less money, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes, cheers buddy 👍
Hi Pete, how good are those Porphis guns?
Hi Mate, I think I've covered that in my reviews. They make many different guns at varying prices.
The Porphis top end guns are every bit as good or better than the top names, longevity was something I wasn't sure about but having had my original 3 Porphis gun's one and a half years now without problems I don't think that's in question, cheers 👍
have you tested AirGreen SK 2020 or SK 2022 models?
Hi Mate, No, the SK2022 is in a copy of the Iwata Wider4 as far as I know.
There are a few that are the same but just different names, same style as the Dram, but without the split tip
It seems to me me the larger companies need to up their game because these smaller outlets are getting good with these copies. I've got many exspensive guns ie Sata,Devilbiss , Walcom but i'm impressed with these cheaper guns if you can dial them in too perform like a £500/£700 gun . Gret video 👍
Hi Jimmy, they will certainly be rattled by the quality that is starting to come along for very little money, as you say, these things are performing as good as top quality gun's, good to hear you enjoyed the video, thanks buddy 👍
Hi Pete, what adapter do you use for the paint cup, also I have noticed when your mixing paint you always weigh it out, is there a method to this? I'm new to this 🙃
Hi Mate, these guns take a number 9 PPS adapter, I only weigh my clear out because the cups I use are unmarked, so it the only way to tell the mix I have, of course, if I am mixing paint from my scheme then you need to use it to measure the amount of the difference tinters to use 😀
A lot of my friends keep bringing about the LPH 400 orange cap gun. Is it really that great?
Hi buddy, it's a good gun, but not the best. The silver cap is better for clearcoat. The Porphis PRD717 is much better, and half the price
You ever sprayed any spies hecker clear
Hi buddy, No, I haven't
Mr. Pete, is the Avalon WLS400 pistol original? There is a website selling it here in Brazil. The seller said it was made in Thailand. Is that right? The nozzle is sliced and sprays the paint evenly.
Hi mate, The Avalon guns are made in Taiwan, not Thailand
@@peteshobbies5383 ok friend thanks for your attention, I'm going to save some money to buy wls400, I saw a video of it and it's really good.
I just subscribed to your channel a little while ago, hug
@user-xh3tz5yz3j Thanks you buddy, much appreciated 👍 🙏
I drop my Wider4 and the nozzle got damage.. Do you know if the aircap and nozzle from dram will work with the wider4 needle?
Hi Mate, it should do. The taper on the needle looks the same, so I don't see why not 👍
It fits as its copied quite well, but be aware of what you're changing it to
@@peteshobbies5383Thanks for that! Also notice on the box it 3 aircaps named DF10 DF20HV DF30P that's a bit interesting
@jaystheone1 I haven't seen any choice, and the cap that's on there doesn't have a number. Maybe it's a generic box ?
Hey Pete Avalon actually has another model which comes with the 2 caps it’s the wls400X has a green cap more for topcoats and the gold cap for basecoat. Trust me they both spray completely differently the green cap has more a tighter fan pattern, and the gold a very wide softer pattern for base. That model acts differently to the one you have here in its split nozzle is slightly different to the purple cap gun.
Hi Mate, OK, I haven't used the other caps, and from photos, they look the same but sounds like they are not, or maybe they are on some, it can be a bit like that sometimes 😉
HEY Pete, just received the Dram and have some interesting observations. After wondering what manufacturer was behind this gun, I noticed the pot lid is imprinted with Avalon. Quite suspect but not 100% proof.
Also, the air horn holes are bigger than the W400 Bellaria & LV2, yet smaller than the LPH400 LVX & LV4/J2. I can't say it's exact, but in my opinion, it is an attempt to mimic a would-be updated Kiwami version of the lesser talked about W400LV-LV4 as it is configured similarly with the 3 split nozzle, 4 holes on the face, and relatively compared air horn holes. In the US, the W400LV-LV4 is a 20 psi rated gun. I have yet to spray with either, but look forward to see if it performs near the lower psi as the original. There is only one RUclips review of the Iwata version that I know of.
Hi Boss, Yes, I noticed the air holes in the air horns, and, the air consumption, we're somewhere in the middle of the existing Kiwami4 range.
So far, using the Dram, I've been very impressed, especially considering the price. The cup looks exactly the same as the Avalon, so I suspect they are indeed made in the same factory, but obviously, I can't be sure, cheers mate 👍
Hey Pete do u have any experience with voylet spray guns? They have a w-400 gun that called my attention. But I have no experience with them so don’t take this as thumbs up from me. Let me know what u think. I honestly value your opinion.
Hi mate, I haven't seen or used one, I just looked it up, it will depend on price really but I wouldn't spend too much on one as there are some guns about that are ok in the lower price range
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Thanks Walter 👍
For me between china and taiwan, taiwan is better product ..
Hi buddy, 3 years ago I would have agreed, these days I wouldn't say that's the case.
Some of the guns coming from China are good quality, and some form Taiwan not as good, so I think it really depends on what guns they are rather than where they are made, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 can u spray avalon at 1 bar pressure and the finish look like what for clear n base..
@user-ow8gj3bp8l Hi mate, It's not as good as such low pressure as something like the LPH400 or Wider4L, I think base coat you could do of but not clear coat