I've heard this a lot Stephen, I'm researching for a .177 first PCP and I hear a lot of people say to use the heavier pellets for the best overall result.
Not in every type of airgun. For example in Zoraki hp01 0.177 air pistol 1 gram heavy pellet gave only about +1 J muzzle energy. The 0.22cal Zoraki is stronger with almost all range pellet weights than 0.177. I had both and tested.
The one advantage of .177 over .22 missed in this review is the cost benefit. .177 ammo is about 66% of the cost of comparable .22 ammo. For target shooting that is a great benefit. For pest control, if you are shooting at a fixed range .22 has its advantages. I think it has greater knock-down power and doesn't over penetrate, keeping most of its energy in the quarry. .177 tends to pass through at shortish ranges. If however you are walking up on quarry and shooting at various ranges the flatter trajectory of the .177 is a great aid to accuracy.
I can agree with that with sub 12ftp. or even lower in some countries. With full power air rifles the .22 or even .25 is the cal. to choose for rabbit hunting. .177 pellets will be unstable/not accurate with high speeds and is more effected by wind.
The rifle i shoot the most is my Ronnie's Limited Edition RM8 in .22..., my comp rifle is an HFT500 in .177. Love them both and both hit what I'm aiming at. I would be tempted to use the RM8 for a HFT Comp one day just to see what the difference is on coarse. Next time I go to the range, if the HFT coarse is laid out ill give it a pop with both. 😎
@@peterbaugh51 fair enough. I like the challenge. Most of my shots are 20-40 so I practice that on the hft course. I beat a load of 177 cp shooters last year with my bsa grt xl se.
No no. For the same airgun the .177 and the .22 will exit the muzzle with different amounts of kinetic energy. I believe the .22 wil have more kinetic energy at the muzzle. Also the .22 will retain more of its energy as it goes through its trajectory than the .177. But its more complicated than that. Because then the .177 has more pressure due to its smaller cross sectional area. So it might have a better chance at penetrating a small game skull down rage than the .22 despite having less kinetic energy! The accuracy is where the argument is clear, the .177 being inherently more accurate than the .22.
You over look a few things : with. 22 use a lighter pellet that cuts down trajectory being the pellet is lighter with. 177 most use 10.5gr to produce better hitting power and one other point 177 will penetrate quarry passing straight through not producing any kill power to dispatch
There is a very simple answer. A pcp that shoots jsb exact 8.44 s very accurately will be the best sub 12 airgun you can buy for hunting and target .the pellet provides a perfect blend of velocity v weight with a high bc .to retain energy and kill well .
That'll be why all the top target shots use .177 then will it, even at 50 yards all my .177's will be far more accurate than your .22 lobbing lead downrange.
1.77 with a heavy pellet is by far the best compromise in my experience.
Exactly 👍
I've heard this a lot Stephen, I'm researching for a .177 first PCP and I hear a lot of people say to use the heavier pellets for the best overall result.
Not in every type of airgun. For example in Zoraki hp01 0.177 air pistol 1 gram heavy pellet gave only about +1 J muzzle energy. The 0.22cal Zoraki is stronger with almost all range pellet weights than 0.177. I had both and tested.
Absolutely
. 22 .177 battle has been going for years
The one advantage of .177 over .22 missed in this review is the cost benefit. .177 ammo is about 66% of the cost of comparable .22 ammo. For target shooting that is a great benefit. For pest control, if you are shooting at a fixed range .22 has its advantages. I think it has greater knock-down power and doesn't over penetrate, keeping most of its energy in the quarry. .177 tends to pass through at shortish ranges. If however you are walking up on quarry and shooting at various ranges the flatter trajectory of the .177 is a great aid to accuracy.
I can agree with that with sub 12ftp. or even lower in some countries. With full power air rifles the .22 or even .25 is the cal. to choose for rabbit hunting. .177 pellets will be unstable/not accurate with high speeds and is more effected by wind.
The pronounced trajectory is only a problem if you are shooting at too long range and this applies to all rifles not just air rifles
Exactamundo.
Simple solution: buy a 177 and use a heavy pellet
And end up with the same trajectory has a . 22
... or a .22 and a light pellet.
Buy a .22 and use a very light pellet.
Yes
Spot on 👌👌
SOLD! my next rifle will be a .177
And so the debate continues.
its like every person has a different opinion on this one and have good arguments too but being easier to shoot is a very good argument
The rifle i shoot the most is my Ronnie's Limited Edition RM8 in .22..., my comp rifle is an HFT500 in .177. Love them both and both hit what I'm aiming at. I would be tempted to use the RM8 for a HFT Comp one day just to see what the difference is on coarse. Next time I go to the range, if the HFT coarse is laid out ill give it a pop with both. 😎
thats because you can shoot not so easy for most people to get consistant
The rifles are the same in power however as you said there is a greater power delivery at longer ranges and less wind drift on a 22
But 22 has way more drop at long range. It depends on the pellet type and velocity. 12" drop at 40 meters is not useable for me.
@@peterbaugh51 fair enough. I like the challenge. Most of my shots are 20-40 so I practice that on the hft course. I beat a load of 177 cp shooters last year with my bsa grt xl se.
Which do you recommend for longer distance break barrel shooting? Thanks.
No no. For the same airgun the .177 and the .22 will exit the muzzle with different amounts of kinetic energy. I believe the .22 wil have more kinetic energy at the muzzle. Also the .22 will retain more of its energy as it goes through its trajectory than the .177. But its more complicated than that. Because then the .177 has more pressure due to its smaller cross sectional area. So it might have a better chance at penetrating a small game skull down rage than the .22 despite having less kinetic energy!
The accuracy is where the argument is clear, the .177 being inherently more accurate than the .22.
I suggest .22 is the best rifle like GAMO and many more. 👍
You over look a few things : with. 22 use a lighter pellet that cuts down trajectory being the pellet is lighter with. 177 most use 10.5gr to produce better hitting power and one other point 177 will penetrate quarry passing straight through not producing any kill power to dispatch
What's the difference between a 13g 177 and a 13 g 22, and I am not sure how many rabbits or rats can live with a hole right throughout it's head
There is a very simple answer.
A pcp that shoots jsb exact 8.44 s very accurately will be the best sub 12 airgun you can buy for hunting and target .the pellet provides a perfect blend of velocity v weight with a high bc .to retain energy and kill well .
Higher velocity equals greater mass and flatter trogectery. Physics. I will take higher velocity every time if accuracy is a given.
22 is a heavyweight pellet so will hit harder
.177 is more precise cant be the same if .177 loses power at distance
How about .20?
In 22 an 177 you have a greater choice of pellets and slugs,
The .22 is way more accurate and better suitable for long range shooting, but im not shooting sub 12.
not if they are the same weight ,and you got he speed and twist right
That'll be why all the top target shots use .177 then will it, even at 50 yards all my .177's will be far more accurate than your .22 lobbing lead downrange.
so you are wrong then
yeah, if you are shooting 12ft/lb+ but here in UK where energy is limited; .177 travels much faster than .22
they are not the same
I was gonna comment but its 2 years old, so my face is shut
you might want to have your gender checked.