This man sounded so smart and intelligent until he said clippers would take the warriors to 6-7 games. I laughed so hard i was almost sent out of class
Watch john wall, Cp3, Harden, lebron, rondo, set up the offense and get their teammates involved, and then watch Westbrook gets his teammates involved and you tell me who makes their teammates better
deonta thomas this idiot is trying to say westbrook doesnt make his teamates better. Even though wall has beal and a solid gortat and morris, cp3 had prolly the best big men duo in griffin and jordan, harden has deadly shooters and a solid nene, lebron has kyrie and love with a good thompson, and rondo isnt even doing nothing this year but when he did have his team he had a prime paul pierce and a prime kevin garnett and a clutch ray allen. Westbrook is the reason why rating this year for okc went skyrocketing. To see a man do what he did this year with literally no second scoring option is what makes him the mvp.
Usman dude I can tell your part of the hype, Kyrie is a better scorer but John wall is a better passer and defender which gets overlooked so John wall is better
KD left because the organization showed more affection towards Westbrook... Look what KD is doing over twitter and stuff, he's not criticizing Westbrook anywhere, anyhow, I think he actually wants to be his friend. Durant actually seems like he still has alot of respect towards Russell, which is no surprise because he is the only player in the entire NBA who gives 200% every single game throughout the season. All his ill-feelings and tweets are towards the head coach and the front office of OKC.
Did doug just call Damian Lillard overrated? The same Lillard that was absolutely snubbed from the last two all star games? The guy who has carried portland (alongside a shooting guard in a point guard's body; cj mccollum) to the playoffs the past two years? How can anyone think dame is overrated?
what about him is overrated though? the dude is rarely talked about on espn/tnt, he was snubbed from the all star game even though he put up crazy stats the past two years. he's underrated.
Jay Jay Talent wise yes, but all these rules and lack of competition kind of does ruin it. I'm tired of seeing a player being barely touched and it's automatically a foul, and then there's no freedom of speech, you automatically get fined for anything you say.
Brendan O'Kane - It was a list off the top of his head. He almost forgot Chris Paul. sheesh. But Parker is still one of the best doing it. And that is that he has lost a step. He plays smarter, organizes the offense, and just doing it differently. Respect the rings!
They weren't talking about all-time they're talking about point guards at the current moment, and rn Lowry is obviously better than Parker. Tony easily has the best career compared to any active point guard in the league expect for maybe CP3. But Lowry is the better player at this time being easily
The fact that these guys can sit here and pick apart a guy averaging triple doubles AMAZES ME... its no other word other than AMAZING! What Westbrook is doing is historic and won't be done again for a very very long time, give the man the Mvp he truly deserves it
Well it does matter have you seen there record when he drops a triple double vs when he doesn't... You take Westbrook off the team Okc is in the lottery! He needs a couple pieces and he will be fine. Definitely a mvp worthy season tho
And you saying it's not really historic is laughable, i agree with your point on the rule changing and all that but it will be a long long long time before another player averages a tripe-double through the regular season.. which makes it historic bro
I always said the quality of NBA basketball is much higher today. The average all star in this generation would have been a superstar in previous generations. As much I love iverson, he is not on the same level as the top guards today.
Wtf Truu Iverson was not as athletic as Rose (was) or fast as wall. he can't finish like Kyrie or shoot with today's guards. also not the greatest defender. he would be the 5th best PG today maybe
3 guys in the league average 10+ assists....Wall, Westbrook and Harden. Out of the 3 guys I named only ONE is a creator, it's John Wall. Harden dribbles in one spot and passes to his teammates who are going to jack up a 3 regardless. Westbrook doesn't create easy shots for his teammates at all. I watch OKC and all I see is Westbrook forcing the ball onto his teammates and hoping they make a shot. John Wall is arguably the best pick-n-roll creator in th league. He always finds the open guy on the floor and stats prove that when guys play with him their shooting %'s go up.
Westbrook: goes 4-18 in the fourth Westbrook fans : his team is trash OKC :takes a L cause of Russ shooting Westbrook fans : but he got a triple double. Can't spell Choke without OKC
Makuochi Igwe wait are you gonna add that the Okc bench was -61 and houstons bench was +43, or add that okc was up 12 in the 3rd quarter as soon as Westbrook sat down Houston went on a 9-0 run and it became a 3point game
That part about this era is a mixed bag for me. The pg position is more loaded than ever, that's true. So is the 3. But there is not one center in the league who is better than David Robinson, Hakeem, or Shaq. Anthony Davis is probably the only 4 right now who will end up as a top 10 power forward of all time.
Talk about lebron getting his assist by passing to three point shooters.. stop hating on Westbrook, lebron has been passing to good shooters to get his assists for years and no one complained
I love this argument! I've been saying this for awhile. the level of talent is insane now. this is why i discredit Jordan. he didn't really have any comp yet they call him the greatest. he never had to go against players like lebron, kd or even curry.
the talent maybe better than it ever was but...the the nba league is a lot younger.Everyone used to to go to college for 4 years so it was grown men in the league instead of 18 and 19 year olds.
okc should get a decent pg and let westbrook play his natural position. i'd hope that to be successful and inspire a turning point with this scoring guard bs.
He really said Lillard is overrated? I mean literally no one talks about him on espn or fox, he dropped 59 and wasn't talked about on any mainstream sports show, but if curry, lbj, russ, harden, klay, kd dropped that they would be slobbering all over themselves talking about that game. Yeah maybe his fans overrate him but that's with anybody, Kyrie fans think Kyrie is better than wall, curry, etc. I just don't see how anyone can say he's overrated when he has carried the blazers to the playoffs even after 4 out of their 5 starters left 2 seasons ago. If anything he's underrated as a leader.
talent wise the nba is at a all time high. the players mental makeup is a all time low. talent means nothing if you're lacking in competitive drive, iq, n heart. to many talented guys are front runners now n can't handle any kind of struggle.
if westbrook's assists are bloated then what are harden's?? honestly Colin needs to drop this narrative. Westbrook is not as great as Lebron. But you need to recognise that he has had an incredible regular season and is deserving of the MVP.
exactly KDs value wont come into play until they play the better teams. this narrative that GSW is better without contradicts why they got him in the first place, which was they werent good enough. Igoudala himself said it, OKC was the best team last year and by okc i mean KD, klay got hot at the right time and saved GSW.
So now his rebounds, points, and assists are empty (rebounds he gets are easy, assists are catchers making tough shots, and points are pointless). These guys just erased Westbrook to zero value (he does nothing well?).
1. Wall 2. Rondo 3. IT 4. Lowry Obviously IT had better season than rondo but Rondo is outplaying IT right now and I'd simply rather have him than anyone else but wall in east. Also I didn't rank Kyrie because I don't consider him a point guard because he's basically just an Iso scorer. LeBron is the facilitator on that team.
Hey colin, huge fan. i'd really appreciate your feedback and opinions on a segment about the compare/contrast between chris paul and steve nash/john stockton. i'm a firm believer in his ball dominance often crippling his teams. also this weird theory of him potentially going to the spurs (which i'd believe he'd completely have to change his game for cause pop is all about ball movement and chris is kind of a ball hog) i know you're not big on social media but you're really the only sports analyst whose opinion i take serious. you're the perfect blend of logic and entertainment. those other guys more so the latter. thank you for your time.
Wow I have to say my opinion of Gottlieb has completely changed since his CBB days. I'm legitimately a fan now. Seems like he's trying to be more of himself now
How is Lillard overrated? Hasn't been an all star for two years. I think he's under rated if anything, much like John wall and others by the super star guards
Colin on Westbrook: "The efficiency is awful." Westbrook leading the league in PER this season by 3 points at 30. The players that rank 2-10 in PER all have a PER between 26-27. This stat litteraly calculates how efficient you are, how can his effiency be "awful". Also, how can you give Lebron the MVP because he "wins" more? His team finished 2nd in the much weaker eastern conference with by far the most talent in the east. I've been listening to his show for months now and if the MVP should be based on his logic, it still wouldn't be Lebron. If anyone it should be Kawhi Leonard. KL is 3rd in PER, Lebron is 6th. The Spurs are second In the much tougher west with the 2nd best record in the entire league. I like your show Colin don't get me wrong, but you're just wrong here. Lebron is the best player in the league nobody is questioning that, but the MVP is a regular season award. Lebron has simply not had the best season out of all players. You need to take Lebron's nuts out of your mouth bro and stop hating on the greatness that Russell Westbrook has shown this season. I didn't mind at first but you're just being disrespecting a man who goes out there and gives his all every game. Lebron is great, arguably a top 5 player of all time but that doesn't mean Russ deserves this much flack. Your show gets a lot of views and you're using your platform to hate and put down a great man. I understand criticism but you've turned into a hater. You didn't used to be this way. :(
Colin should apply his own point about great vs valuable to his theory on Lebron always being MVP. Lebron on the Cavs is great but not as valuable as Westbrook or Harden are to their team because he has Kyrie, Kevin Love, etc.
Wait... so now his rebounds and assists are bloated? S are we just going to discount some of his stats? Besides, this argument can apply to everyone in the league, if you want to use it on Westbrook. On top of that, Westbrook's assists that would be attributed to his teammates skills are less than a lot of the other pgs with high assists, considering that Okc is very inconsistent in how they shoot. Some nights the shooters on okc hit some shots... most nights tho they arent very good.
Why do you say that? Their stats are very similar but Harden is a much better leader and team player than Westbrook is. Also both of them are bad defenders, although defense doesn't matter at all in the MVP award.
"Noah Rogers" Harden has a chance to win it all Westbrook about to get swept he is no MVP and if he wins it he will be the worst MVP in NBA history that's for sure he overrated and this series with the rockets is proving why he is overrated.
Noah Rogers you trying to pretend Westbrook plays with being 3rd last in contesting 3 pointers? Atleast harden has led his team 50 plus wins and has gotten past the first round by himself. Westbrick has yet to do that
Yo Shoutiut to my guy Gottlieb, Tony Elite PG Parker had 0 points and 0 assists in 18 minutes. Also shoutout to all the Raptor fans claiming Lowry is Elite as Raptors get blown out of Milwaukee.
Okc is a very good team and there athletic but they many shooters, outside of Sabonins and Doug M, and there back up point guard. They have a bunch of complementary pieces. The rockets on the other hand are stacked offensively. Gordan, Anderson, Lou Williams off the bench and Harden. W/o harden houston could win 30 games.
I wonder if Doug's wife works and if she doesn't how is she able to tell him if he can or cant get what he wants. If she did contribute financially he would probably be able to get that car he likes. Thank God I don't have that issue on another note I rather listen Doug talk about basketball than Colin or Nick (aka Lebron Nuthugers)
Because she's probably the one who handles the budget. Also if you just want to be able to buy whatever you want and not have to worry about what other people think then don't get married.
Harry Garris nah it's more like I went to school and learned how to balance my check book so I don't need someone to give me the ok to buy what I want. Furthermore why do people talk aloud about there spouse in a manner in which that paints them as a dictator who will not allow them to do things that they want to do. I'm in the Army and this rational is ramped. Soldiers call there spouses household 6 and it's always in a negative tone and they complain about why they cant do because of household 6. Last time I checked I'm an adult and if you can't trust your partner to take care of there responsibilities why be with them. My household would look like this both adults work both adults take care of there responsibilities both have separate accounts plus an account that's for the household.
Doug sounds like he hasn't actually watched any warriors clippers games the last 3 years. The warriors own the clippers so much they kind of just toy with them at this point. Haven't they won 11 straight? There was a game last season or the year before down the stretch where the warriors were at the end of a road trip, had already locked up the number 1 seed and the clippers really needed a win against them at home. The game meant nothing to the warriors and they got down by about 18-22 after the first quarter. ....then they decided it was the clippers and came back and won by 10. I can't remember the last time they even won a game that wasn't by a comfortable Margin. There might have been one or two last year in garbage time the clippers made a run to make it cosmetically better.
I almost feel bad for The Clippers. Almost. You can see it on court and in pre and postgame interviews. They mentally know they can't sniff beating them. When you watch The Warriors against basically any other team, (outside of Green and his trash talking) they look like they are in the flow of the game, just trying to play how they want to play. When they play the Clippers, you can see an extra gear there. Like they want to really stick it to them.
Sounds a lot like Harden then, doesn't it Colin? Don't even create anything, just give to it Lou, Anderson or Gordon and let them chuck it from 30 feet. Dude claims he doesn't hate Westbrook but he clearly doesn't like him.
Patrick Beverly AKA Westbrooks Daddy lie , Houston was projected to make the playoffs by everyone just like how they made the playoffs the past 4 years , also look up his team net ratings when he's on the court , they barely get any better , now look at okc's net ratings they are all negative and when Westbrooks on the court they are +5.0 each okc last night was -15 without Westbrook and +18 with him , the bench was -61 houstons bench +43
ctfu westbrook fans in they feelings Harden better than Westbrook and is the true MVP and the rockets going to sweep the thunder as well they can't handle all these facts so they trying to throw shade on Harden it just goes to show you how pathetic Westbrook fans really are.
NBA assists is joke....i saw many episodes that dudes gets assist ,he pass to dude in the corner that dudes buts his defenders and goes to the paint and scores and their give assists to the player...like wtf?
God, American networks always forget the raptors. Lowry is better than Kyrie it's just that Kyrie has a MASSIVE brand in comparison... if Kyrie played defence once and awhile he could be the best guard in the league but until he does I don't know if he'll ever get there
again colin misses the point. yes today's game has a bunch of great pgs. but what about the center position? back then you could name 10 centers all time. today you can't even name 10 that are legit.
KD is soft he's not Alfa that's why he went to golden state they are soft too, KD is ring chasing but in actually this is hurting his legacy because golden state is just as good without him, they went to 2 finals without him; he adds nothing to them, Magee is more important for GS than KD is because of their lack of size
yaboidub The play-offs is in its infancy, bit too early to be writing Durant off. Javale has been immense, but in no way, shape or form is he more valuable than Durant. They were playing the Trail Blazers...pump the brakes.
Wayne when had KD ever beat lebron, lebron owns KD and Kyrie and steph cancels each other out, shump and jr on Thompson, lebron on KD love on green but Cleveland don't have a big; so if McGee can play decent he would be the X factor not KD
Yaboidub, Just because Lebron's team beat KD's team, doesn't mean that KD hasn't gotten his v. Lebron. A classic example is the 2012 NBA Finals. Miami beat OKC 4-1, but KD averaged 30p and 6r on 54% shooting.....Lebron can't guard KD...
I agree with most of the things he said, but Doug´s off on the Clippers and Raptors. Even tho he´s right that the Playoffs get more physical, I don´t give those teams any chance whatsoever. Finally somebody said that the talent in the NBA right now is as high as ever. All this nonsense by old veteran, retired players talking bout the league is in a worse state, etc. I can´t hear it anymore. Yes it´s true if you talk about teaching the foundations of the game, understanding it in all facets - Players like Ginobili, KG, Tim Duncan, Gasol or Parker, Nowitzki rarely get into the league these days, but in terms of basketball talent, it´s higher than ever. What you´ll complaining about...srsly! And stop hatin on the Warriors, just enjoy how the game has developed and start appreciatin´, don´t take it for crenit.
That´s exactly my issue with this topic. I know all these facts, I watched the NBA 20 years ago aswell, it´s nothing new to me. There´s no doubt that the game has gotten softer, but players just couldn´t shoot like they shoot these days. Of course it was more of a 2point, post up game. Kereem, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan. etc. all these players dominated under the boards, today you don´t see players dominating like that anymore, because they just spread the floor, cause of all these 3 point shooters. Im talkin bout pure talent here. I never said I like it that Centers or Pfowards such as Cousins, AD, Towns are jacking up 3s these days, or Blake shootin 3s and elbow jumpers - in fact it drives me crazy at times, cause that´s not the way you should use these Big Men. Slow the Game down and dominate/play in the Post. I think they just change the game into shootin, cause they believe it´s mathematically better, cause 3s more than 2 obviously, and if you take more shots you can miss more. But that´s also nonsense to me. But all of that don´t mean we have less talent right now than we had in the old days. They could use all these Players to play the way you just desribed prior. Name me more than 5 elite guards in the 90s, today you can name nothing shorter than around 20.
Again, Im not denying that. But it doesnt take talent, it takes practice to play in the post. It feels like they just dont teach it anymore. Theres a reason why the game has developed in todays game, as i said they believe its more efficient. And even tho it was an unwritten rule, they couldnt shoot 3s like today. And the Pacers lost of plenty of reasons, one of them named Lebron James, no idea how you come up with that.
I see exactly 5 elite point guards in your list. Not more, not less. And your naming Pguards over the course of more years. Just this year I could name you more elite Pguards.
If you wanna tell me now that anybody could shoot like Steph Curry or handle the ball like Kyrie Irving, your trippin man. AI, White Chocolate, Isiah Thomas and other guards, they all could dribble the ball, break ankles and had sick crossovers,etc. but noone could handle the ball like Kyrie. Weve never seen athletic and explosive Pguards like Westbrook or Derrick Rose in his earlier career, even John Wall. I see you like your 90s and you like the flair and the nostalgie to it, I get it, but you just dont seem to aknowledge the beauty of todays game, not at all. Shootin 3s, handling the ball is not just practice, not everybody can do it, thats such nonsense. Maybe it takes talent to play in the post and it takes a certain person to do it, I agree, but there are so many talented players in this league right now, especially guards, because the game has developed in that direction. Who cares about what if, what have you, what if they didnt change it and on and on - They did! It IS CHANGED, it HAS CHANGED, get over it. When Kareem came into this league, they had to change the rules aswell, just for him. I dont use that as an aquivalent for your argumentation aswell, it is what it is bro!
I didnt even get to the point that weve never seen a scorer like KD, that does it so effortless offensively. Oh and by the way, did we ever see a player more gifted and complete than Lebron James? He will surpass players in like every category. Was there ever a guy like Kawhai Leonard, 2´8 that could defend, the way he is defending the best player on the opponent team every night? Was there ever a better catch n shooter than Klay Thompson? Was there ever a better highfligher and contestdunker than Zach Lavine (Vince, Mike, Jay Rich, Nique, they all were great, yes)? I could go on and on and on bro.....
Doug Gottlieb spoke at a camp I went to in high school, he was very cocky to the point it made me laugh. He was not encouraging and was late... he down talked everyone including the coaches.. but he does know basketball.. him and Collin are a little arrogant and it kinda is annoying to watch..
Lol this "making your teammates better" is an over used phrase. So you make your teammates better when they are already good shooters?? Hmmm but if you pass and they don't make it they don't make the basket, it's your fault huh not making them better
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Is John Wall the best PG in the East?
He is, there's no debate about it.
Colin Cowherd yes
Colin Cowherd no debate 🙏
Colin Cowherd duh
Noah Rogers L
Colin best facial expressions in the business
About36GREEKS Shannon and Stephen A. have some good ones too
I like this new guy
Tod Wilkinson - Doug Gottlieb is nothing of what you just mentioned. You're full blown stupid.
This man sounded so smart and intelligent until he said clippers would take the warriors to 6-7 games. I laughed so hard i was almost sent out of class
Watch john wall, Cp3, Harden, lebron, rondo, set up the offense and get their teammates involved, and then watch Westbrook gets his teammates involved and you tell me who makes their teammates better
deonta thomas wait who do you think does? You worded this weird
deonta thomas this idiot is trying to say westbrook doesnt make his teamates better. Even though wall has beal and a solid gortat and morris, cp3 had prolly the best big men duo in griffin and jordan, harden has deadly shooters and a solid nene, lebron has kyrie and love with a good thompson, and rondo isnt even doing nothing this year but when he did have his team he had a prime paul pierce and a prime kevin garnett and a clutch ray allen. Westbrook is the reason why rating this year for okc went skyrocketing. To see a man do what he did this year with literally no second scoring option is what makes him the mvp.
deonta thomas thank you
John Wall is a better pg than Kyrie, this dude is averaging 23 and 10 for the regular season
Devyn Corvington agreed and I'm a Cavs fan.
When John Wall does what Kyrie did against GSW then we'll talk!!!
+Usman that doesn't determine talent and being better L
Usman dude I can tell your part of the hype, Kyrie is a better scorer but John wall is a better passer and defender which gets overlooked so John wall is better
Usman The Wizards beat the Warriors an The Cavs (almost twice) this year.
I love DG he gives the best round ball analysis when he talks hoop I listen
This video basically explains why KD left
KD left because the organization showed more affection towards Westbrook... Look what KD is doing over twitter and stuff, he's not criticizing Westbrook anywhere, anyhow, I think he actually wants to be his friend. Durant actually seems like he still has alot of respect towards Russell, which is no surprise because he is the only player in the entire NBA who gives 200% every single game throughout the season. All his ill-feelings and tweets are towards the head coach and the front office of OKC.
Excellent clip, Doug is awesome glad he's at FS1. Bring him in the show more, great discussion.
Did doug just call Damian Lillard overrated? The same Lillard that was absolutely snubbed from the last two all star games? The guy who has carried portland (alongside a shooting guard in a point guard's body; cj mccollum) to the playoffs the past two years? How can anyone think dame is overrated?
lebrawnjames23 fr if anything he's underrated
He's really good but is kinda overrated.
what about him is overrated though? the dude is rarely talked about on espn/tnt, he was snubbed from the all star game even though he put up crazy stats the past two years. he's underrated.
lebrawnjames23 he's one of the worst defenders in the league. He doesn't even try
if he's snubbed, which guards are you removing for his spot?
The Westbrook hate on this show out of control
Finally somebody saying the truth about todays game, it's better than it ever was and it ain't even close.
agree and I love 80s 90s & early 2000s ball but the skill level today of these players are amazing
Jay Jay Talent wise yes, but all these rules and lack of competition kind of does ruin it. I'm tired of seeing a player being barely touched and it's automatically a foul, and then there's no freedom of speech, you automatically get fined for anything you say.
+Tod Wilkinson huh ??? lmao
Did this man just call Tony Parker elite? And doesn't even mention Lowry?
Brendan O'Kane unfortunately for Lowry he plays for Toronto so gets overlooked
2017 Parker is trash compared to lowry.
Parker is a pathetic shell of himself
Brendan O'Kane - It was a list off the top of his head. He almost forgot Chris Paul. sheesh. But Parker is still one of the best doing it. And that is that he has lost a step. He plays smarter, organizes the offense, and just doing it differently. Respect the rings!
They weren't talking about all-time they're talking about point guards at the current moment, and rn Lowry is obviously better than Parker. Tony easily has the best career compared to any active point guard in the league expect for maybe CP3. But Lowry is the better player at this time being easily
FS1 now has the two best basketball analysts in the bizz with Broussard and Gottlieb
The fact that these guys can sit here and pick apart a guy averaging triple doubles AMAZES ME... its no other word other than AMAZING! What Westbrook is doing is historic and won't be done again for a very very long time, give the man the Mvp he truly deserves it
Well it does matter have you seen there record when he drops a triple double vs when he doesn't... You take Westbrook off the team Okc is in the lottery! He needs a couple pieces and he will be fine. Definitely a mvp worthy season tho
And you saying it's not really historic is laughable, i agree with your point on the rule changing and all that but it will be a long long long time before another player averages a tripe-double through the regular season.. which makes it historic bro
The guards and perimeter game is much better but the 90's bigs would be averaging ridiculous numbers in the league right now.
John Wall might be emerging as the best PG in the NBA tbh...
No
Yes
Cliff Paul yeah
Yes
Cliff Paul someone with common sense! 💪🏾💯 DCRising
takeaway:Skip ridin in a corvette
Am I the only one who really loves how FS1 lets its employees come on set in a T-Shirt and Jeans and just hang out and talk basketball?
this new guy knows what hes talking about
I always said the quality of NBA basketball is much higher today. The average all star in this generation would have been a superstar in previous generations. As much I love iverson, he is not on the same level as the top guards today.
Yes I watched iverson and Kobe play. Iverson is a pioneer no doubt, but he wasn't focused enough
Wtf Truu Iverson was not as athletic as Rose (was) or fast as wall. he can't finish like Kyrie or shoot with today's guards. also not the greatest defender. he would be the 5th best PG today maybe
3 guys in the league average 10+ assists....Wall, Westbrook and Harden. Out of the 3 guys I named only ONE is a creator, it's John Wall. Harden dribbles in one spot and passes to his teammates who are going to jack up a 3 regardless. Westbrook doesn't create easy shots for his teammates at all. I watch OKC and all I see is Westbrook forcing the ball onto his teammates and hoping they make a shot. John Wall is arguably the best pick-n-roll creator in th league. He always finds the open guy on the floor and stats prove that when guys play with him their shooting %'s go up.
Westbrook: goes 4-18 in the fourth
Westbrook fans : his team is trash
OKC :takes a L cause of Russ shooting
Westbrook fans : but he got a triple double.
Can't spell Choke without OKC
Chokc?
Makuochi Igwe wait are you gonna add that the Okc bench was -61 and houstons bench was +43, or add that okc was up 12 in the 3rd quarter as soon as Westbrook sat down Houston went on a 9-0 run and it became a 3point game
Harry Garris W it's official cho.k.c. it is. copyright infringement is punishable by law
Makuochi Igwe
the rest of the team gave him the ball every time, stop blaming Russ for the fact that the team can't score
Nobody on Westbrook's team wants the ball.
Yes John Wall is the best pointguard in the east.
Am I the only one that thinks Milwaukee is the toughest challenge to Cleveland?
Cowherd seemed a little salty when skip's corvette was brought up hahah
Dame Dolla OVERRATED?!?! THAT'S BLASPHEMOUS! BTW, I'm a Hornets fan.
That part about this era is a mixed bag for me. The pg position is more loaded than ever, that's true. So is the 3. But there is not one center in the league who is better than David Robinson, Hakeem, or Shaq. Anthony Davis is probably the only 4 right now who will end up as a top 10 power forward of all time.
xbefri23 I think AD will be top 5 PF's
That's a great comment. Don't even bother to explain why Blake and LA are better than Anthony Davis. You nailed it!
That was sarcasm, by the way.
They forgot to mention Kyle Lowry
If everyone is so much better now why aren't there any bigs that have a single post move?
Talk about lebron getting his assist by passing to three point shooters.. stop hating on Westbrook, lebron has been passing to good shooters to get his assists for years and no one complained
I'm telling you that the Thunder can have better success if they moved Westbrook to the SG position and got a damn decent PG.
Portland need like a Paul George
Wall is a top 3 pg in the NBA
Westbrook would he be better if he had a better shot selection
Every player could be better if they had better shot selection.....
THANK YOU. Players now are wayyyyyy better. Y'all need to get over it, and let go of the past.
I love this argument! I've been saying this for awhile. the level of talent is insane now. this is why i discredit Jordan. he didn't really have any comp yet they call him the greatest. he never had to go against players like lebron, kd or even curry.
the talent maybe better than it ever was but...the the nba league is a lot younger.Everyone used to to go to college for 4 years so it was grown men in the league instead of 18 and 19 year olds.
okc should get a decent pg and let westbrook play his natural position. i'd hope that to be successful and inspire a turning point with this scoring guard bs.
I was distracted by Doug Gottlieb's hairline.
He really said Lillard is overrated? I mean literally no one talks about him on espn or fox, he dropped 59 and wasn't talked about on any mainstream sports show, but if curry, lbj, russ, harden, klay, kd dropped that they would be slobbering all over themselves talking about that game. Yeah maybe his fans overrate him but that's with anybody, Kyrie fans think Kyrie is better than wall, curry, etc. I just don't see how anyone can say he's overrated when he has carried the blazers to the playoffs even after 4 out of their 5 starters left 2 seasons ago. If anything he's underrated as a leader.
Andrew2296 because his defense is horrible
Gottlieb knows his stuff. Let's replace Colin with Gottlieb.
game is water down how many top 2 guard or big man that's elite
talent wise the nba is at a all time high. the players mental makeup is a all time low. talent means nothing if you're lacking in competitive drive, iq, n heart. to many talented guys are front runners now n can't handle any kind of struggle.
Did he just say Dragic and Tony Parker are top PGs?
Kyrie best pg in the league
if westbrook's assists are bloated then what are harden's?? honestly Colin needs to drop this narrative. Westbrook is not as great as Lebron. But you need to recognise that he has had an incredible regular season and is deserving of the MVP.
exactly KDs value wont come into play until they play the better teams. this narrative that GSW is better without contradicts why they got him in the first place, which was they werent good enough. Igoudala himself said it, OKC was the best team last year and by okc i mean KD, klay got hot at the right time and saved GSW.
So now his rebounds, points, and assists are empty (rebounds he gets are easy, assists are catchers making tough shots, and points are pointless). These guys just erased Westbrook to zero value (he does nothing well?).
this dude looks like my boy lary Nance jr
How is this 'Westbrook's assists to Durant are overrated' discussion relevant since KD's long gone?
1. Wall 2. Rondo 3. IT 4. Lowry
Obviously IT had better season than rondo but Rondo is outplaying IT right now and I'd simply rather have him than anyone else but wall in east.
Also I didn't rank Kyrie because I don't consider him a point guard because he's basically just an Iso scorer. LeBron is the facilitator on that team.
111illmatic I'm a bulls fan but Rondo is not #2, he knows there playbook
Acoustics this isn't football bro
111illmatic Dude rondo is killing it right now
"...bsck when they used to pick people up at the free throw line" hahaha. Tell it like it is Doug
Hey colin, huge fan. i'd really appreciate your feedback and opinions on a segment about the compare/contrast between chris paul and steve nash/john stockton. i'm a firm believer in his ball dominance often crippling his teams. also this weird theory of him potentially going to the spurs (which i'd believe he'd completely have to change his game for cause pop is all about ball movement and chris is kind of a ball hog) i know you're not big on social media but you're really the only sports analyst whose opinion i take serious. you're the perfect blend of logic and entertainment. those other guys more so the latter. thank you for your time.
I'm convinced, Herd is a hater. Damn man, he's not a typical player, let that man live!
Doug really needs to wake up. The Clippers are no threat to the Warriors.
Wow I have to say my opinion of Gottlieb has completely changed since his CBB days. I'm legitimately a fan now. Seems like he's trying to be more of himself now
The PG and SF are better now, but the PF and C and bench aren't as good as before.
They're better athletes not better players.
he just called Damian Lillard overrated?
How is Lillard overrated? Hasn't been an all star for two years. I think he's under rated if anything, much like John wall and others by the super star guards
marion and amare would have been elite players no matter who their point guard was
Colin on Westbrook: "The efficiency is awful."
Westbrook leading the league in PER this season by 3 points at 30. The players that rank 2-10 in PER all have a PER between 26-27. This stat litteraly calculates how efficient you are, how can his effiency be "awful". Also, how can you give Lebron the MVP because he "wins" more? His team finished 2nd in the much weaker eastern conference with by far the most talent in the east. I've been listening to his show for months now and if the MVP should be based on his logic, it still wouldn't be Lebron. If anyone it should be Kawhi Leonard. KL is 3rd in PER, Lebron is 6th. The Spurs are second In the much tougher west with the 2nd best record in the entire league. I like your show Colin don't get me wrong, but you're just wrong here. Lebron is the best player in the league nobody is questioning that, but the MVP is a regular season award. Lebron has simply not had the best season out of all players. You need to take Lebron's nuts out of your mouth bro and stop hating on the greatness that Russell Westbrook has shown this season. I didn't mind at first but you're just being disrespecting a man who goes out there and gives his all every game. Lebron is great, arguably a top 5 player of all time but that doesn't mean Russ deserves this much flack. Your show gets a lot of views and you're using your platform to hate and put down a great man. I understand criticism but you've turned into a hater. You didn't used to be this way. :(
He brings up good points about russ but still.. i feel like colin be hatinggg on russ like you cannott take away that he is a monsterrr.
Clippers challenge the warriors... this guy has no idea what he's talking about
Colin should apply his own point about great vs valuable to his theory on Lebron always being MVP. Lebron on the Cavs is great but not as valuable as Westbrook or Harden are to their team because he has Kyrie, Kevin Love, etc.
Clippers haven't beaten the Warriors in over 10+ games. lmao.
u realizes he gives more air time to people who argue with him
Westbrook had 22 assists in a game
Not everything is better such as music
Wall is the 2nd best player in the east lol
ovityy kk over giannis ?
Harold G Well yeah
Harold G I would actually put Butler over Giannis too
ovityy kk Giannis is to valuable
wizards Milwaukee challenge Cavaliers
This guy could've said any team, but he chose the Clippers to challenge the Dubs -_____- *cuts off video*
Lillard is overrated!? I'm done with this dude...
So with that argument about players being better.. would Jordan be as dominate?!
Wait... so now his rebounds and assists are bloated? S are we just going to discount some of his stats? Besides, this argument can apply to everyone in the league, if you want to use it on Westbrook. On top of that, Westbrook's assists that would be attributed to his teammates skills are less than a lot of the other pgs with high assists, considering that Okc is very inconsistent in how they shoot. Some nights the shooters on okc hit some shots... most nights tho they arent very good.
Westbrook coming home with a trophy even when he loses this series. Har_en coming home empty handed
MVP award doesn't mean a thing if you get knocked out of the 1st round. No one has talked about the 2007 MVP in forever because, well, search it up.
Why do you say that? Their stats are very similar but Harden is a much better leader and team player than Westbrook is. Also both of them are bad defenders, although defense doesn't matter at all in the MVP award.
"Noah Rogers" Harden has a chance to win it all Westbrook about to get swept he is no MVP and if he wins it he will be the worst MVP in NBA history that's for sure he overrated and this series with the rockets is proving why he is overrated.
Noah Rogers you trying to pretend Westbrook plays with being 3rd last in contesting 3 pointers? Atleast harden has led his team 50 plus wins and has gotten past the first round by himself. Westbrick has yet to do that
Yo Shoutiut to my guy Gottlieb, Tony Elite PG Parker had 0 points and 0 assists in 18 minutes. Also shoutout to all the Raptor fans claiming Lowry is Elite as Raptors get blown out of Milwaukee.
Okc is a very good team and there athletic but they many shooters, outside of Sabonins and Doug M, and there back up point guard. They have a bunch of complementary pieces. The rockets on the other hand are stacked offensively. Gordan, Anderson, Lou Williams off the bench and Harden. W/o harden houston could win 30 games.
lillard 4 best guard
Dude! He comparing his basketball IQ from when he was a child to now smh.
Lillard is overrated? The guy who always gets snubbed from the all-star?
I wonder if Doug's wife works and if she doesn't how is she able to tell him if he can or cant get what he wants. If she did contribute financially he would probably be able to get that car he likes. Thank God I don't have that issue on another note I rather listen Doug talk about basketball than Colin or Nick (aka Lebron Nuthugers)
Because she's probably the one who handles the budget. Also if you just want to be able to buy whatever you want and not have to worry about what other people think then don't get married.
Harry Garris nah it's more like I went to school and learned how to balance my check book so I don't need someone to give me the ok to buy what I want. Furthermore why do people talk aloud about there spouse in a manner in which that paints them as a dictator who will not allow them to do things that they want to do. I'm in the Army and this rational is ramped. Soldiers call there spouses household 6 and it's always in a negative tone and they complain about why they cant do because of household 6. Last time I checked I'm an adult and if you can't trust your partner to take care of there responsibilities why be with them. My household would look like this both adults work both adults take care of there responsibilities both have separate accounts plus an account that's for the household.
Doug sounds like he hasn't actually watched any warriors clippers games the last 3 years. The warriors own the clippers so much they kind of just toy with them at this point. Haven't they won 11 straight? There was a game last season or the year before down the stretch where the warriors were at the end of a road trip, had already locked up the number 1 seed and the clippers really needed a win against them at home. The game meant nothing to the warriors and they got down by about 18-22 after the first quarter. ....then they decided it was the clippers and came back and won by 10. I can't remember the last time they even won a game that wasn't by a comfortable Margin. There might have been one or two last year in garbage time the clippers made a run to make it cosmetically better.
I almost feel bad for The Clippers. Almost. You can see it on court and in pre and postgame interviews. They mentally know they can't sniff beating them. When you watch The Warriors against basically any other team, (outside of Green and his trash talking) they look like they are in the flow of the game, just trying to play how they want to play. When they play the Clippers, you can see an extra gear there. Like they want to really stick it to them.
Sounds a lot like Harden then, doesn't it Colin? Don't even create anything, just give to it Lou, Anderson or Gordon and let them chuck it from 30 feet. Dude claims he doesn't hate Westbrook but he clearly doesn't like him.
Alex Kroll salt
Alex Kroll Houston was projected not to make the playoffs unlike Westbrook, Harden makes teamates better. Harden is actually a playmaker.
Alex Kroll that's how harden played until this year
Patrick Beverly AKA Westbrooks Daddy lie , Houston was projected to make the playoffs by everyone just like how they made the playoffs the past 4 years , also look up his team net ratings when he's on the court , they barely get any better , now look at okc's net ratings they are all negative and when Westbrooks on the court they are +5.0 each okc last night was -15 without Westbrook and +18 with him , the bench was -61 houstons bench +43
ctfu westbrook fans in they feelings Harden better than Westbrook and is the true MVP and the rockets going to sweep the thunder as well they can't handle all these facts so they trying to throw shade on Harden it just goes to show you how pathetic Westbrook fans really are.
It's a triple double. cmon. Hate how they tryna diminish greatness. If it's so overrated why is him and the big O the only one to do it for a season?
NBA assists is joke....i saw many episodes that dudes gets assist ,he pass to dude in the corner that dudes buts his defenders and goes to the paint and scores and their give assists to the player...like wtf?
Colin and his Westbrook hate is getting boring. it's fun at times but it's getting tedious
Who is this Doug guy?
Tod Wilkinson he's like you then WAY OFF , up there with Brady and Rodgers . Please don't reply to me again. I blacked out in what you said.
+Tod Wilkinson He really said that? Lmaoooooo
God, American networks always forget the raptors. Lowry is better than Kyrie it's just that Kyrie has a MASSIVE brand in comparison... if Kyrie played defence once and awhile he could be the best guard in the league but until he does I don't know if he'll ever get there
James Mac have you ever seen Lowry in the playoffs?
Imagine a failed prospect insulting Westbrook - the best PG in the country hahaha - doug gottlieb - stay in your lane bro
again colin misses the point. yes today's game has a bunch of great pgs. but what about the center position? back then you could name 10 centers all time. today you can't even name 10 that are legit.
KD is soft he's not Alfa that's why he went to golden state they are soft too, KD is ring chasing but in actually this is hurting his legacy because golden state is just as good without him, they went to 2 finals without him; he adds nothing to them, Magee is more important for GS than KD is because of their lack of size
yaboidub The play-offs is in its infancy, bit too early to be writing Durant off. Javale has been immense, but in no way, shape or form is he more valuable than Durant. They were playing the Trail Blazers...pump the brakes.
Oh but I thought Lebron was the king and he was going to get his 4th ring this year yet we don't need KD now huh?
Wayne when had KD ever beat lebron, lebron owns KD and Kyrie and steph cancels each other out, shump and jr on Thompson, lebron on KD love on green but Cleveland don't have a big; so if McGee can play decent he would be the X factor not KD
Wayne last year was an aberration
Yaboidub, Just because Lebron's team beat KD's team, doesn't mean that KD hasn't gotten his v. Lebron. A classic example is the 2012 NBA Finals. Miami beat OKC 4-1, but KD averaged 30p and 6r on 54% shooting.....Lebron can't guard KD...
I agree with most of the things he said, but Doug´s off on the Clippers and Raptors. Even tho he´s right that the Playoffs get more physical, I don´t give those teams any chance whatsoever.
Finally somebody said that the talent in the NBA right now is as high as ever. All this nonsense by old veteran, retired players talking bout the league is in a worse state, etc. I can´t hear it anymore. Yes it´s true if you talk about teaching the foundations of the game, understanding it in all facets - Players like Ginobili, KG, Tim Duncan, Gasol or Parker, Nowitzki rarely get into the league these days, but in terms of basketball talent, it´s higher than ever. What you´ll complaining about...srsly!
And stop hatin on the Warriors, just enjoy how the game has developed and start appreciatin´, don´t take it for crenit.
That´s exactly my issue with this topic. I know all these facts, I watched the NBA 20 years ago aswell, it´s nothing new to me. There´s no doubt that the game has gotten softer, but players just couldn´t shoot like they shoot these days. Of course it was more of a 2point, post up game. Kereem, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan. etc. all these players dominated under the boards, today you don´t see players dominating like that anymore, because they just spread the floor, cause of all these 3 point shooters. Im talkin bout pure talent here. I never said I like it that Centers or Pfowards such as Cousins, AD, Towns are jacking up 3s these days, or Blake shootin 3s and elbow jumpers - in fact it drives me crazy at times, cause that´s not the way you should use these Big Men. Slow the Game down and dominate/play in the Post. I think they just change the game into shootin, cause they believe it´s mathematically better, cause 3s more than 2 obviously, and if you take more shots you can miss more. But that´s also nonsense to me. But all of that don´t mean we have less talent right now than we had in the old days. They could use all these Players to play the way you just desribed prior. Name me more than 5 elite guards in the 90s, today you can name nothing shorter than around 20.
Again, Im not denying that. But it doesnt take talent, it takes practice to play in the post. It feels like they just dont teach it anymore. Theres a reason why the game has developed in todays game, as i said they believe its more efficient. And even tho it was an unwritten rule, they couldnt shoot 3s like today. And the Pacers lost of plenty of reasons, one of them named Lebron James, no idea how you come up with that.
I see exactly 5 elite point guards in your list. Not more, not less. And your naming Pguards over the course of more years. Just this year I could name you more elite Pguards.
If you wanna tell me now that anybody could shoot like Steph Curry or handle the ball like Kyrie Irving, your trippin man. AI, White Chocolate, Isiah Thomas and other guards, they all could dribble the ball, break ankles and had sick crossovers,etc. but noone could handle the ball like Kyrie. Weve never seen athletic and explosive Pguards like Westbrook or Derrick Rose in his earlier career, even John Wall. I see you like your 90s and you like the flair and the nostalgie to it, I get it, but you just dont seem to aknowledge the beauty of todays game, not at all. Shootin 3s, handling the ball is not just practice, not everybody can do it, thats such nonsense. Maybe it takes talent to play in the post and it takes a certain person to do it, I agree, but there are so many talented players in this league right now, especially guards, because the game has developed in that direction. Who cares about what if, what have you, what if they didnt change it and on and on - They did! It IS CHANGED, it HAS CHANGED, get over it. When Kareem came into this league, they had to change the rules aswell, just for him. I dont use that as an aquivalent for your argumentation aswell, it is what it is bro!
I didnt even get to the point that weve never seen a scorer like KD, that does it so effortless offensively. Oh and by the way, did we ever see a player more gifted and complete than Lebron James? He will surpass players in like every category. Was there ever a guy like Kawhai Leonard, 2´8 that could defend, the way he is defending the best player on the opponent team every night? Was there ever a better catch n shooter than Klay Thompson? Was there ever a better highfligher and contestdunker than Zach Lavine (Vince, Mike, Jay Rich, Nique, they all were great, yes)? I could go on and on and on bro.....
Doug Gottlieb spoke at a camp I went to in high school, he was very cocky to the point it made me laugh. He was not encouraging and was late... he down talked everyone including the coaches.. but he does know basketball.. him and Collin are a little arrogant and it kinda is annoying to watch..
the clippers warriors beat 10 in a row?
gsw might go 16-0 this year
Lol this "making your teammates better" is an over used phrase. So you make your teammates better when they are already good shooters?? Hmmm but if you pass and they don't make it they don't make the basket, it's your fault huh not making them better
Russel Westbrook should learn from Lebron's game 3 vs PACERS...how to properly get a triple double and win the game. he just stat padding man!
lillard overrated how?????