UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Draymond is the floor general, the passer, playmaker, the leader, he's the most important on that team, both defense and offensively.
Did you see the last 4 minutes of Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals? Because that's why Steph, Klay, Dray, Iggie, Kerr, Joe Lacob and Bob Myers were all in the Hamptons recruiting Kevin Durant...I'm Just Saying...
I feel bad for KD. He's in tough spot to where if he comes back and they lose everyone is gonna put the blame on him. I'm a Curry fan, but I know KD better and we cannot win the finals with the team we have currently without him
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest -Yeah the team flows better when he's not on the court. It's kinda like the clippers, on paper they look like the best team in the league but on the court it's a different story
Draymond Green is the key to beating the warriors. Take him out of the game and they'll lose. Best defensive player, guards the best wing on the other teams, best passer. Best decision maker. Emotional leader, Energy etc.
So Shannon sharpe is going to act like the warriors aren't the number one team in defense? The warriors can shoot badly and still clamp you up and beat you....the warriors are showing that they can beat teams in multiple ways. They can outscore you, they can go to the paint, they can clamp you down defensively, play you physically etc ..... I think they can shoot bad and still beat the cavs or spurs just off of their defense.
Man, this drives me crazy. Everybody is acting like the cavs are this huge defensive monstrosity..they have kyrie/lebron..thats it..you shut those guys down..what do they have?? Jr Smith/Richard Jefferson?? come on..Kevin Love is not a defensive stopper..just sayin
I am a huge gsw fan but the warriors are not better without KD because the margin of error is too small without KD. Everyone has to be perfect without KD.
Let's get something clear: the Warriors reeeeeeeally dnt need KD for the first two rounds in the Western Conference. Will they need him for the Spurs (maybe the rockets)?...very likely. They'll certain need KD for the NBA Finals. But my point is....either way the Warriors are unstoppable on all cylinders when they wanna be..
Again with this ? Make up ur damn mind one day they need him to make the finals the next they don't . Of course they are better with kd a top 2 player but without him the bench players step up because they had to smh it's common sense why do you think it's called "strength in numbers " .
Curry had a pretty bad game too he only had 19 with a bad shooting ,everyone played together. And skip they lost 9 with kd that wizards game he played like 2 mins smh they have a better winning percentage with him like come on .
Simple. Because GSW already has a potent offense in the original 72 win season. McGee is actually better than Bogut if he doesn't do boneheaded plays. This guy dunks, catches lobs, blocks shots and can do hook shots. Hence, golden states utility function is optimized by such a player. Durant is a great player, but GSW already had the top offense from last year. Durant gives them more offensive options, but every shot he takes there is 1 less for Curry who has a effective 60+% FG and Klay. Durant has good defense, but GSW needs center defense even more. See how many small guards attack Zaza as though he is not even there? They don't versus McGee.
Warriors are just zoned in more defensively when KD's not there b/c they know they're not gonna get his 30 points. That's why they blew Portland out. Warriors need KD to win a ring.
If Durant played, the blowout would be by an equal or greater margin. People just like to forget about the bench production of guys like McGee, West, Livingston, Clark, Iguodala, who have had their fair share of impactful games during KD's injury. The fact that he didn't play and they won doesn't mean the team plays better without him. You have to also look at the quality of your opponent. A 73-win team that lost by 1 basket in Game 7 still has more than enough to make it back to the finals without him.
No KD, Barnes and Livingston.. Curry and Klay both didnt shoot very well (35% & 33%), yet they won win 29 points? Shows how deep that team is and how that KD being a MVP candidate was a joke. Everyone on the Blazers besides Dame should be ashamed of themselves as well
I think the point that people seem to miss in this never ending debate is that a great team will always be better than a great player and a great player doesn't necessarily make a great team better. No matter how good a player is as an individual, in a team oriented sport such as basketball the team dynamic will always trump the greatness of an individual player and we've seen that in the past with match ups like the Sixers with AI against the Lakers. KD is a great individual player but the Warriors are a great team.
Better without, chemistry-wise, for sure. Only time together will solve that. I think Kerr and coaching staff have done an amazing job holding everyone together
As much as I agree with the statement that they're better without Kevin Durant, they NEED him. It doesn't matter how close the game is. When Steph and Klay are off, they NEED someone else. At least, when they're playing a better team than the Blazers. Another missed point is that CJ and Damian were cold this game. If they weren't cold, it would've been a whole different story. But let me get this straight: It does not matter who the Warriors have playing. It does not matter what their record is. It does not matter how close the games are. The bottom line is that with or without Durant, they are still by far the best team in the league. Last year I couldn't imagine how it would be possible for the Warriors to lose 4 games to teams that were worse than them. What did it take for the warriors to lose 4 games? Klay and Steph going cold for 3 straight games. If Durant was there in those 3 games, I GAURUNTEE YOU that the Warriors win the finals. The Warriors, no matter if they are better without him, NEED Kevin Durant on their team. PERIOD.
when Tristan Thompson had to sit out against the Celtics, skip said "of course the cavs were gonna win because when a player..." he isn't using the same argument now
when gsw played teams with bigger size like cleveland, u can see how valuable kd is to warriors. Last year gsw struggled with long arms against thunder and cleveland.
man this whole series, you could ask Skip a question about any warriors player, he'll just mention Nurkic, it's like when he brings up Ray Allen any time LeBron is mentioned
Final mins of the game , 4.6 sec who gets the ball for the clutch win , Durant, Draymond. Curry, Thompson. Who ever you decide is the leader of the Warriors
if you say warriors better without KD, ask 2016 Finals -_- LeBron and Cavs will win Chip without KD on GSW. They need him against Harder Teams (Spurs & Rockets), especially comes Finals (Cavs).
i havent watched many of their games with kd but they look scary af without kd. They get EVERYONE involved. They had david west, mcgee, clark, and mccaw looking like future hall of famers.
This is just silly and honestly a tiresome narrative. I remember Curry playing amazing in January including his best game all year against the Clippers, including winning player of the month with Durant. Are we seriously going to suggest that he will suddenly turn meek and forget how to play with KD? 1) Isn't it more likely that he's been saving himself this year for the back end and the playoffs (as compared to last season when they went all out all year?) 2) He's played a ton with KD now knows how to be aggressive when he's on the court? 3) Also will the chances of 50 point quarters go up or down with KD on the team? I mean seriously would you prefer Barnes, Clark, etc...taking shots or KD? FOOHWTS.......
oj oj true. If Kyrie & LeBron can both drop 40+ then so can curry & KD. A team that is so fast pace like them & locked in on defense- it's possible for them both to get good touches. Curry took a backseat & suffered from less touches & tryna make KD comfortable but when the offense ran through him warriors are at their best. This year also showed off Curry's amazing court vision & passing skills (which people don't give enough credit to, he not just a scoring point guard) Klay I feel suffers but he can go off for 30 so quickly on less touches. Warriors just click, they're light years ahead of every team.
Its games like this that makes KD's move to golden state look even more pathetic. This team doesnt need him at all, and as a superstar he's hopping on another teams bandwagon. The gsw without KD could honestly make it to the finals and its a coin toss on whether or not they win a 7 game series against the cavs.
its not that their better without kd, its just that they already had those guys with alot of chemistry and finals/playoff experience already before kd got there....I think they are better with kd out there.
The Warriors didn't need KD, but now that they do it's like having a cheat code. The most important thing they needed to do was discover chemistry with this years roll players of which incidentally, KD'S injury back in February afforded them that opportunity. One can argue that injury was a blessing in disguise. For, in the aftermath teams are left damaged psychologically knowing GS can beat them with or without KD.
okay the thing with having KD is that they are better in some areas, and without better in others. with KD, they got more firepower, an amazing shooter when you need him and a tall rebounder when you need him. without KD, they got less firepower, but that opens up klay and curry to go on fire, and they know whos gonna take the shots.
As soon as they said kevin durant was questionable for game2 everyone on these tv shows start saying "there's no chance of the warriors winning without kevin durant" and then game2 comes along, durant's out. And the dubs destroy the trailblazers, and now what do they say? "They're better without kevin durant"..... These shows should be made for woman, since they like to argue and never make up their mind with one topic. They like to make up a show
very true when you say he(Kevin) changes the entire court. To me, and I don't mean it in the exact context, I believe that James sort of does this as well like tonight's game. He gets not just the ball, but the attention and he changes the whole court and how the players play. At least I saw that, who knows.
I agree with Shannon here, they can pull off this series without Durant but there's no way they can make it to the finals without him. Draymond is great but he gets streaky when it matters.
Skip, finally someone that understand what is going on with the warriors, you don't need to be afraid of saying that they are better withou Kevin, because they are. I am always saying this and i will say it again, with durant they just very good players, withou him they are a "team". i agree that Kd is a very good player but he doesn't fit in golden state warrios. Shannon, whatttt ???? You can't argue saying that the gsw won't win the spurs with the stats of last night, because this happen sometimes, doesn't mean that they will shoot like that again
The very last game example of Warriors losing w/ KD is stupid because that's when the first seed was locked and none of the starters played 4th on purpose. That game didn't matter. It was a move from Kerr. This guy looks at spreadsheets, but not the actual game
the gameplan was to see what portland wanted too do because of their new team, even if their center is out..i see tht we finally knew what portland wanted too do, so we locked them up..the score would be no different when kd is there or not..GSW defense, changes everything..
for me they are definitely better with Durant BUT it SHOULD be curry's team.. warriors is better with Durant but it should be curry as the no.1 option.
Undisputed is way better than First Take, the discussions are more factual than First Take's rambling in my opinion. and surprisingly Shannon is really really good.. always on point
Durant was never needed to beat teams in the 1st or 2nd round. He's needed for SAS & CLE. Adding Durant takes away Cleveland's ace in the hole which is hounding Klay and Curry all game long to prevent them from ever getting in rhythm. Having Durant means that the Cavs defense can't just focus on those two and let everyone else beat them. It also means that LeBron can't roam and play free safety anymore. No one on the Cavs can stop Durant and only LeBron can slow him down. Having Durant also adds another rim protector whose length will make up for his lack of strength. Also, Durant missing time was the best thing to happen to the Warriors bench. It forced them to step up and as you saw in Games 1 & 2, the Warriors now have bench players that can do more than just keep up a lead. They are playing smart defense and incredible help defense. They also have a 1-2 punch in West and Clark that they sorely needed last year's Finals when Curry was in foul trouble and when Klay was ice cold.
Towards the end of the season the Warriors basically didn't play their starters in the fourth quarter against Utah...so they weren't "really trying". FYI
They "play" better without him because they never needed him in the first place. They know how to play and they know how to win "with each other". All KD is is a luxurious add-on. It's still year one and they don't have the chemistry with him that they have "with each other". It's as simple as that.
I knew this topic was coming when I saw the game. I don't want to say they are better without him. When they lost against Denver, they were hitting everything. When a team is that hot it doesn't matter who you have. In Game 1, CJ and Lillard were hot. You had to know CJ wasn't doing that again though. I just think that without Kevin they are more fluid right now. I think it's just going to take a bit more time for Durant to get used to playing how the Warriors play. As it is, I think Kerr is still allowing Kevin to pretty much do what he wants. When a guy like that can opt out in a year, you don't want to risk upsetting him and loosing him. Give him a year to mesh and sign a long term contract and maybe he's pushed to lay more differently.
Its only year 1 with KD on the dubs....of course it's a bit you shoot, i shoot kinda deal. They'll figure it out in year two when they defend their title.
I think all it proved is they can win without Durant. But Durant wasn't brought in to beat inferior teams, he was brought to compete with the other top teams. Durant adds a new dynamic against teams that are capable of matching up with last years Warriors.
Honestly the blazers don't have enough "fire power" to CONSISTENTLY play with the warriors nuff said if this were the spurs I feel that would be a valid point
This is such as stupid question. Why does Fox and ESPN keep asking this same question?????? I don't get it. It's stupid to say that the Warriors didn't lock down Lillard and McCollum in game 1 because Durant was on the court. That is just an asinine 9 asinine 10 asinine 11 statement. The Blazers back court just got hot that game. Period. But when the Warriors finally locked in on defense in the 4th quarter, all of that scoring by the Blazers back court stopped. They just don't get it. There will come a time in these playoffs where Steph and Klay will be off (like they were last night) and they're going to need buckets. That's when Durant will take over because who on ANY opposing team can stop him? No one.. Not even Lebron himself. So stop with this nonsense about they're better without him.
This is all meaningless talk. Just give them the damn trophy already. The Warriors have no legitimate contenders in a 7 game series. Still, instead of hating, why not enjoy greatness?
kingdrosilva94 Sure, the Spurs are great and Pops is a legend. But seriously, they have one A class player, a Kawhi, and a bunch of washed up B players like Aldridge and Gasol. Are you honestly expecting them to beat the team with four all-stars and a pretty deep bench in a 7 game series? I think not.
When Warriors fans don't even respect KD, it tells you something about how drastically his move altered his legacy. I see Warriors fans saying he should be 6th man.
i would have to agree with shannon with this one...steph is still haunted by finals game 7 and with bigger teams coming they need KD more than ever if they ever drop the temperature
they are placing the warriors in a box,believing that the team is just winning because they are making shots and take for granted that the warriors can clamp down on defense depending on the situations at any given night...
You can tell Skip doesn't actually watch the games, he blamed KD for the Warriors loss to Utah when Kerr sat out all starters and ran the offense through JaVale McGee for the last 6 minutes.
this is a dumb question. cj and dame were in the zone and hot hame 1, warriors would have lost game 1 without kd. cj and dame just got tired and gsw took advantage
Its as simple as this: For as good as he is, Durant is a ball stopper. Warriors operate on movement. I'd say his perceived "efficiency" all of a sudden is because of consistent passing and not a two-man game. Smart move for him, but they had the passing down already. So that why they can plug him in and take him out. Are they better without him? Yeah, because they know their "flow". Durant disrupts it a bit. Not a bad thing or good thing. Just ho-hum considering what Durant can be.
durant is the guy to shoot. but he aint the type to pass and move the ball fluidly with his team. its taking him awhile to adjust on giving it to open men. while without kevin...curry can control the tempo and create more shots as well as thompson which ends up being brutal for any teams once they get hot. add that with draymond also assisting equals game over.
Steph and klay didn't "shut out" anyone, they relied heavily on 2-3 ppl being in front of them when they got in the lane. If they did shut out Lillard and CJ they wouldn't have gotten in the lane as many times as they did.
Skip has to be trolling. Warriors were 51-9 with KD till he got injured, that last loss vs Utah the starters didn't even play the 4th. GS lost to bad teams cuz they don't care about regular season after last season, and they still won 67 games
Durant is obviously the most important player on the Warriors. Typically their best rebounder and their rim protector, Durant still manages to be their best scorer. He is without a doubt their most important player and should have him lead them in the later stages of the playoffs.
I think they better w/O but not long term.....they won't be the cavs without him but if they did it would be no surprise they just play good as a team.....but of course they better with him
we all noe steph klay Dre and Kev gona ball out!!! the most important player rite now is MCGEE(my favorite player) hes gona continue to bring positive energy rebounds points blocks etc Mcgee all day
Skiiiiuuup! The eye test is fooling you, when KD was before the injury they were killing teams by 30 EASY while still searching their chemistry! Without KD they switched to 2015 style (played harder defensively, Steph became more ball-dominant and Iguodala returned to a scoring). If they can fuse styles or at least switch within the game between "Warriors with KD style" and "Warriors 2015 style", they are unstoppable. And they showing us they can do that!
Exactly. This Warriors team would be scary next season if everyone could stay together. With Durant they were effortlessly blowing teams out by 20 and averaging damn near 40 assists. When he left, they tightened up their defense and Iggy started scoring more. Give them another series and they should be gravy again.
The difference in game 1 and 2 is NOT the scoring of Golden State, the difference in games 1 and 2 is that in game 1 CJ and Dame dropped 75 points and both were just playing on another level, in game 2 they combined for 23, KD improves this team it has nothing to do with offense of GS
Who is the most important player on the Warriors?
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curry
Green tbh
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 Draymond is the floor general, the passer, playmaker, the leader, he's the most important on that team, both defense and offensively.
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You know Shannon serious bout something when he cuts mid word to say "SKIIIP 😤😐" 😂
LordNaud Industry lol brah i know u aint got that dog snapchat filler dem bisshes be using? brahh
King Dolo good eye
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Imagine the Warriors winning the title without Durant, or with Durant on the bench. It would be hilarious.
That would really hurt his legacy and reputation.
koen prins That would be the perfect ending to his betrayal
I love how people still talk about betrayal like he had to stay in okc
He would leave
Did you see the last 4 minutes of Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals? Because that's why Steph, Klay, Dray, Iggie, Kerr, Joe Lacob and Bob Myers were all in the Hamptons recruiting Kevin Durant...I'm Just Saying...
I feel bad for KD. He's in tough spot to where if he comes back and they lose everyone is gonna put the blame on him. I'm a Curry fan, but I know KD better and we cannot win the finals with the team we have currently without him
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T W
Wow W I'm acc surprised
Did somebody hack your account? This is the first time I've seen you comment something that actually makes sense.
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T cry. larriors not getting past the 2nd round with or without cupcake. L
durchoke is trash btw
On paper, yeah he looks better
On the court, it's a completely different story
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest on paper, they are chokers. On the court, they are still chokers.
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest -Yeah the team flows better when he's not on the court. It's kinda like the clippers, on paper they look like the best team in the league but on the court it's a different story
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest I guess having 140+ in 3 different games this year with every scoring margin being a win by 30+ isnt flowing.... lol
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest in court looks better also
DJ KHALED SQUAD #WeDaBest exactly why I don't care about stats
Draymond Green is the key to beating the warriors. Take him out of the game and they'll lose. Best defensive player, guards the best wing on the other teams, best passer. Best decision maker. Emotional leader, Energy etc.
Trevel The Critic Best Passer lmao Curry is definitely better
Trevel The Critic and thats why they lost game 6 last year in the finals
Rik Porter Harrison Barnes is the reason they lost. He couldn't hit anything!
Warriors are still good no matter what even without green they would be hard to beat. Curry still the most important...
So Shannon sharpe is going to act like the warriors aren't the number one team in defense? The warriors can shoot badly and still clamp you up and beat you....the warriors are showing that they can beat teams in multiple ways. They can outscore you, they can go to the paint, they can clamp you down defensively, play you physically etc ..... I think they can shoot bad and still beat the cavs or spurs just off of their defense.
nellymacc91 exactly
nellymacc91 everyone acts like they don't play defense
nellymacc91 I agree man. Well said
Shannon had me💀😂😂 when he said " they were so cold, the sun came up with over coat on" 😂😂😂
why ask this again and again
Thank you. I wish they would stop.
Undisputed probably trying to get more viewers
hating on the warriors is good for business. brings flocks of sheepish nba fans so they can sell you more ads.
cj McCollum and Lillard weren't making those crazy shots that fell in game 1,that's the only difference really...they can't beat the cavs without him
Man, this drives me crazy. Everybody is acting like the cavs are this huge defensive monstrosity..they have kyrie/lebron..thats it..you shut those guys down..what do they have?? Jr Smith/Richard Jefferson?? come on..Kevin Love is not a defensive stopper..just sayin
raheem Cavs haven't done anything to make anyone think that they can beat the Warriors
I am a huge gsw fan but the warriors are not better without KD because the margin of error is too small without KD. Everyone has to be perfect without KD.
More proof they are a great team with or without KD.
i always said they were better without him. he just getting a free ring.
Let's get something clear: the Warriors reeeeeeeally dnt need KD for the first two rounds in the Western Conference. Will they need him for the Spurs (maybe the rockets)?...very likely. They'll certain need KD for the NBA Finals. But my point is....either way the Warriors are unstoppable on all cylinders when they wanna be..
Again with this ? Make up ur damn mind one day they need him to make the finals the next they don't . Of course they are better with kd a top 2 player but without him the bench players step up because they had to smh it's common sense why do you think it's called "strength in numbers " .
Curry had a pretty bad game too he only had 19 with a bad shooting ,everyone played together. And skip they lost 9 with kd that wizards game he played like 2 mins smh they have a better winning percentage with him like come on .
Commandosoap777 exactly
Commandosoap777 Thank you!!!!! They don't know what they wanna believe about the Warriors.
I've been saying this for months. McGee playing well is more important than Durant playing well for the Warriors.
No
Simple. Because GSW already has a potent offense in the original 72 win season. McGee is actually better than Bogut if he doesn't do boneheaded plays. This guy dunks, catches lobs, blocks shots and can do hook shots. Hence, golden states utility function is optimized by such a player. Durant is a great player, but GSW already had the top offense from last year. Durant gives them more offensive options, but every shot he takes there is 1 less for Curry who has a effective 60+% FG and Klay. Durant has good defense, but GSW needs center defense even more. See how many small guards attack Zaza as though he is not even there? They don't versus McGee.
exousia2002 He is actually pretty shifty on offense. Dude has decent handle and footwork. Just look at his euro step when he missed the layup.
Warriors are just zoned in more defensively when KD's not there b/c they know they're not gonna get his 30 points. That's why they blew Portland out. Warriors need KD to win a ring.
Jane B right
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2 games down 14 games to go #DUBSDETHRONEDAKING
N.O.P.E.
It's so stupid tbh
Commandosoap777 W
If Durant played, the blowout would be by an equal or greater margin. People just like to forget about the bench production of guys like McGee, West, Livingston, Clark, Iguodala, who have had their fair share of impactful games during KD's injury. The fact that he didn't play and they won doesn't mean the team plays better without him. You have to also look at the quality of your opponent. A 73-win team that lost by 1 basket in Game 7 still has more than enough to make it back to the finals without him.
No KD, Barnes and Livingston..
Curry and Klay both didnt shoot very well (35% & 33%), yet they won win 29 points? Shows how deep that team is and how that KD being a MVP candidate was a joke. Everyone on the Blazers besides Dame should be ashamed of themselves as well
There are two things in the NBA that will never get the respect they deserve:
LeBron and the Warriors.
Ester indi they will get their respect when the fans realize they can't watch them anymore. It happens all the time
Ester indi lol ikr
Ester indi Great point
K5 Great point
Abul waliuzzaman Then listen to Charles Barkley... just him...
Lol I love this tandem of Skip and Shannon. I miss Stephen and Skip, but man Shannon is so expressive, in a different way.
KD could win a ring by just sitting and cheering on the bench lol
I was so glad KD went to warriors and I'm from Oklahoma, any move that will, that will stop James from winning anymore I'm good with.
Yes they are... Never should of got rid of Barnes!!!
I think the point that people seem to miss in this never ending debate is that a great team will always be better than a great player and a great player doesn't necessarily make a great team better. No matter how good a player is as an individual, in a team oriented sport such as basketball the team dynamic will always trump the greatness of an individual player and we've seen that in the past with match ups like the Sixers with AI against the Lakers. KD is a great individual player but the Warriors are a great team.
Better without, chemistry-wise, for sure. Only time together will solve that. I think Kerr and coaching staff have done an amazing job holding everyone together
As much as I agree with the statement that they're better without Kevin Durant, they NEED him. It doesn't matter how close the game is. When Steph and Klay are off, they NEED someone else. At least, when they're playing a better team than the Blazers.
Another missed point is that CJ and Damian were cold this game. If they weren't cold, it would've been a whole different story. But let me get this straight:
It does not matter who the Warriors have playing. It does not matter what their record is. It does not matter how close the games are. The bottom line is that with or without Durant, they are still by far the best team in the league.
Last year I couldn't imagine how it would be possible for the Warriors to lose 4 games to teams that were worse than them. What did it take for the warriors to lose 4 games? Klay and Steph going cold for 3 straight games. If Durant was there in those 3 games, I GAURUNTEE YOU that the Warriors win the finals. The Warriors, no matter if they are better without him, NEED Kevin Durant on their team. PERIOD.
when Tristan Thompson had to sit out against the Celtics, skip said "of course the cavs were gonna win because when a player..." he isn't using the same argument now
he uses any argument against lebron when he wins
What else did u expect Damian Lilard to say?
warriors in 4?
admire this mans confidence in his team
when gsw played teams with bigger size like cleveland, u can see how valuable kd is to warriors. Last year gsw struggled with long arms against thunder and cleveland.
man this whole series, you could ask Skip a question about any warriors player, he'll just mention Nurkic, it's like when he brings up Ray Allen any time LeBron is mentioned
The last game they threw the game Durant and Curry didn't play in the 4th no team needs to go in playoff on 16 game winning streak
Warriors are elite defenders, even with a bad shooting night they blew out the trailblazers, and dont sleep on javale
Final mins of the game , 4.6 sec who gets the ball for the clutch win , Durant, Draymond. Curry, Thompson. Who ever you decide is the leader of the Warriors
if you say warriors better without KD, ask 2016 Finals -_- LeBron and Cavs will win Chip without KD on GSW. They need him against Harder Teams (Spurs & Rockets), especially comes Finals (Cavs).
i havent watched many of their games with kd but they look scary af without kd. They get EVERYONE involved. They had david west, mcgee, clark, and mccaw looking like future hall of famers.
Lmao SKEEEYUPPP!!!!! 😂😂 I watch this show just cuz of that. dude has me dying
Skip logic the warriors are better without the second best player in the NBA 😂😂!
This is just silly and honestly a tiresome narrative. I remember Curry playing amazing in January including his best game all year against the Clippers, including winning player of the month with Durant. Are we seriously going to suggest that he will suddenly turn meek and forget how to play with KD? 1) Isn't it more likely that he's been saving himself this year for the back end and the playoffs (as compared to last season when they went all out all year?) 2) He's played a ton with KD now knows how to be aggressive when he's on the court? 3) Also will the chances of 50 point quarters go up or down with KD on the team? I mean seriously would you prefer Barnes, Clark, etc...taking shots or KD? FOOHWTS.......
oj oj true. If Kyrie & LeBron can both drop 40+ then so can curry & KD. A team that is so fast pace like them & locked in on defense- it's possible for them both to get good touches. Curry took a backseat & suffered from less touches & tryna make KD comfortable but when the offense ran through him warriors are at their best. This year also showed off Curry's amazing court vision & passing skills (which people don't give enough credit to, he not just a scoring point guard) Klay I feel suffers but he can go off for 30 so quickly on less touches. Warriors just click, they're light years ahead of every team.
GSW is the most efficient scoring team ever assembled. At tip-off, teams have to worry about them, not the other way around.
Its games like this that makes KD's move to golden state look even more pathetic. This team doesnt need him at all, and as a superstar he's hopping on another teams bandwagon. The gsw without KD could honestly make it to the finals and its a coin toss on whether or not they win a 7 game series against the cavs.
"How cold were they? The sun rose with an overcoat!" *writing that down*
Skip totally misses the fact that Steve Kerr made adjustments for game two to slow down Lillard and McCollum
It would be interesting if Durant started coming off the bench. Iggy, Durant, West, Clark, and McGee would be an interesting 2nd five.
its not that their better without kd, its just that they already had those guys with alot of chemistry and finals/playoff experience already before kd got there....I think they are better with kd out there.
Skip will never forget when the Warriors beat the Spurs with that come back. He is still losing sleep about it
As long as they have Steph Curry, Klay and Draymond they are good. They don't need Kd
The Warriors didn't need KD, but now that they do it's like having a cheat code. The most important thing they needed to do was discover chemistry with this years roll players of which incidentally, KD'S injury back in February afforded them that opportunity. One can argue that injury was a blessing in disguise. For, in the aftermath teams are left damaged psychologically knowing GS can beat them with or without KD.
okay the thing with having KD is that they are better in some areas, and without better in others. with KD, they got more firepower, an amazing shooter when you need him and a tall rebounder when you need him. without KD, they got less firepower, but that opens up klay and curry to go on fire, and they know whos gonna take the shots.
to my eye they're better without kd on the court and on my tv screen lmaooo,skip is something else
As soon as they said kevin durant was questionable for game2 everyone on these tv shows start saying "there's no chance of the warriors winning without kevin durant" and then game2 comes along, durant's out. And the dubs destroy the trailblazers, and now what do they say? "They're better without kevin durant"..... These shows should be made for woman, since they like to argue and never make up their mind with one topic. They like to make up a show
very true when you say he(Kevin) changes the entire court. To me, and I don't mean it in the exact context, I believe that James sort of does this as well like tonight's game. He gets not just the ball, but the attention and he changes the whole court and how the players play. At least I saw that, who knows.
I agree with Shannon here, they can pull off this series without Durant but there's no way they can make it to the finals without him. Draymond is great but he gets streaky when it matters.
Skip, finally someone that understand what is going on with the warriors, you don't need to be afraid of saying that they are better withou Kevin, because they are. I am always saying this and i will say it again, with durant they just very good players, withou him they are a "team". i agree that Kd is a very good player but he doesn't fit in golden state warrios.
Shannon, whatttt ???? You can't argue saying that the gsw won't win the spurs with the stats of last night, because this happen sometimes, doesn't mean that they will shoot like that again
The very last game example of Warriors losing w/ KD is stupid because that's when the first seed was locked and none of the starters played 4th on purpose. That game didn't matter. It was a move from Kerr.
This guy looks at spreadsheets, but not the actual game
when he talks about the score being tied thats because Lillard and Mccollum couldnt miss. Thats not usually gonna happen
I have two things to say:1. Javale McGlee2. Warriors didn't sign kD to face blazers. They signed him up for the finals.
the gameplan was to see what portland wanted too do because of their new team, even if their center is out..i see tht we finally knew what portland wanted too do, so we locked them up..the score would be no different when kd is there or not..GSW defense, changes everything..
for me they are definitely better with Durant BUT it SHOULD be curry's team.. warriors is better with Durant but it should be curry as the no.1 option.
Undisputed is way better than First Take, the discussions are more factual than First Take's rambling in my opinion. and surprisingly Shannon is really really good.. always on point
they haven't quite figured out how to flow with kd but they are much better with him just incase steph or klay are cold.
Durant was never needed to beat teams in the 1st or 2nd round. He's needed for SAS & CLE. Adding Durant takes away Cleveland's ace in the hole which is hounding Klay and Curry all game long to prevent them from ever getting in rhythm. Having Durant means that the Cavs defense can't just focus on those two and let everyone else beat them. It also means that LeBron can't roam and play free safety anymore. No one on the Cavs can stop Durant and only LeBron can slow him down. Having Durant also adds another rim protector whose length will make up for his lack of strength. Also, Durant missing time was the best thing to happen to the Warriors bench. It forced them to step up and as you saw in Games 1 & 2, the Warriors now have bench players that can do more than just keep up a lead. They are playing smart defense and incredible help defense. They also have a 1-2 punch in West and Clark that they sorely needed last year's Finals when Curry was in foul trouble and when Klay was ice cold.
Towards the end of the season the Warriors basically didn't play their starters in the fourth quarter against Utah...so they weren't "really trying". FYI
They "play" better without him because they never needed him in the first place. They know how to play and they know how to win "with each other". All KD is is a luxurious add-on. It's still year one and they don't have the chemistry with him that they have "with each other". It's as simple as that.
I knew this topic was coming when I saw the game. I don't want to say they are better without him. When they lost against Denver, they were hitting everything. When a team is that hot it doesn't matter who you have. In Game 1, CJ and Lillard were hot. You had to know CJ wasn't doing that again though.
I just think that without Kevin they are more fluid right now. I think it's just going to take a bit more time for Durant to get used to playing how the Warriors play. As it is, I think Kerr is still allowing Kevin to pretty much do what he wants. When a guy like that can opt out in a year, you don't want to risk upsetting him and loosing him. Give him a year to mesh and sign a long term contract and maybe he's pushed to lay more differently.
Oh my goodness, that special flavor of Mountain Dew is SO good.
Its only year 1 with KD on the dubs....of course it's a bit you shoot, i shoot kinda deal. They'll figure it out in year two when they defend their title.
I think all it proved is they can win without Durant. But Durant wasn't brought in to beat inferior teams, he was brought to compete with the other top teams. Durant adds a new dynamic against teams that are capable of matching up with last years Warriors.
Honestly the blazers don't have enough "fire power" to CONSISTENTLY play with the warriors nuff said if this were the spurs I feel that would be a valid point
This is such as stupid question. Why does Fox and ESPN keep asking this same question?????? I don't get it. It's stupid to say that the Warriors didn't lock down Lillard and McCollum in game 1 because Durant was on the court. That is just an asinine 9 asinine 10 asinine 11 statement. The Blazers back court just got hot that game. Period. But when the Warriors finally locked in on defense in the 4th quarter, all of that scoring by the Blazers back court stopped.
They just don't get it. There will come a time in these playoffs where Steph and Klay will be off (like they were last night) and they're going to need buckets. That's when Durant will take over because who on ANY opposing team can stop him? No one.. Not even Lebron himself.
So stop with this nonsense about they're better without him.
I'm with Shannon on this. Portland are a bad measuring stick for how good you are without Durant.
it don't matter how many stars you have on a team. If there is no chemistry what's the point?
"I saw statues with coats on " LMAO - Shannon Sharpe
This is all meaningless talk. Just give them the damn trophy already. The Warriors have no legitimate contenders in a 7 game series. Still, instead of hating, why not enjoy greatness?
Sam Koo you're counting Spurs out?Youre a fool
kingdrosilva94 Sure, the Spurs are great and Pops is a legend. But seriously, they have one A class player, a Kawhi, and a bunch of washed up B players like Aldridge and Gasol. Are you honestly expecting them to beat the team with four all-stars and a pretty deep bench in a 7 game series? I think not.
Sam Koo that's what people said last year. Remember, anything can happen.
kingdrosilva94 really? spurs? right now, there are teams in the west that are playing better
Sam Koo LMAO
When Warriors fans don't even respect KD, it tells you something about how drastically his move altered his legacy. I see Warriors fans saying he should be 6th man.
Skip, you were born in 1951. The original MacGyver TV show started airing on TV in 1985. It was definitely not "before your time" lol.
i would have to agree with shannon with this one...steph is still haunted by finals game 7 and with bigger teams coming they need KD more than ever if they ever drop the temperature
they are placing the warriors in a box,believing that the team is just winning because they are making shots and take for granted that the warriors can clamp down on defense depending on the situations at any given night...
You can tell Skip doesn't actually watch the games, he blamed KD for the Warriors loss to Utah when Kerr sat out all starters and ran the offense through JaVale McGee for the last 6 minutes.
this is a dumb question. cj and dame were in the zone and hot hame 1, warriors would have lost game 1 without kd. cj and dame just got tired and gsw took advantage
Its as simple as this:
For as good as he is, Durant is a ball stopper. Warriors operate on movement. I'd say his perceived "efficiency" all of a sudden is because of consistent passing and not a two-man game.
Smart move for him, but they had the passing down already. So that why they can plug him in and take him out. Are they better without him? Yeah, because they know their "flow". Durant disrupts it a bit. Not a bad thing or good thing. Just ho-hum considering what Durant can be.
a team has one good game while missing a key player and everyone wonders if they're better without them. even if that guy is a former mvp
durant is the guy to shoot. but he aint the type to pass and move the ball fluidly with his team. its taking him awhile to adjust on giving it to open men. while without kevin...curry can control the tempo and create more shots as well as thompson which ends up being brutal for any teams once they get hot. add that with draymond also assisting equals game over.
every time i try to listen to this channel the sound doesn't work.
Steph and klay didn't "shut out" anyone, they relied heavily on 2-3 ppl being in front of them when they got in the lane. If they did shut out Lillard and CJ they wouldn't have gotten in the lane as many times as they did.
If "turning it into KD's team" means KD scores 30+ and Steph scores mid-20s and they play great team defense, why is that a bad thing, Skip?
Skip has to be trolling. Warriors were 51-9 with KD till he got injured, that last loss vs Utah the starters didn't even play the 4th. GS lost to bad teams cuz they don't care about regular season after last season, and they still won 67 games
Durant is obviously the most important player on the Warriors. Typically their best rebounder and their rim protector, Durant still manages to be their best scorer. He is without a doubt their most important player and should have him lead them in the later stages of the playoffs.
I think they better w/O but not long term.....they won't be the cavs without him but if they did it would be no surprise they just play good as a team.....but of course they better with him
we all noe steph klay Dre and Kev gona ball out!!! the most important player rite now is MCGEE(my favorite player) hes gona continue to bring positive energy rebounds points blocks etc Mcgee all day
Steph Curry and Klay shot HORRIBLY yesterday.
Mcccollum dropped 27 firs half against KD. He was hot
CJ was cold this game.
Skip your crazy the simple fact that you can run off the Warriors losses in a 3 minute span why would you be concerned?
Skiiiiuuup! The eye test is fooling you, when KD was before the injury they were killing teams by 30 EASY while still searching their chemistry! Without KD they switched to 2015 style (played harder defensively, Steph became more ball-dominant and Iguodala returned to a scoring).
If they can fuse styles or at least switch within the game between "Warriors with KD style" and "Warriors 2015 style", they are unstoppable. And they showing us they can do that!
Exactly. This Warriors team would be scary next season if everyone could stay together. With Durant they were effortlessly blowing teams out by 20 and averaging damn near 40 assists. When he left, they tightened up their defense and Iggy started scoring more. Give them another series and they should be gravy again.
The difference in game 1 and 2 is NOT the scoring of Golden State, the difference in games 1 and 2 is that in game 1 CJ and Dame dropped 75 points and both were just playing on another level, in game 2 they combined for 23, KD improves this team it has nothing to do with offense of GS
As a matter of fact Steph and Klay actually scored LESS in game 2!
"Statues had their coats on" --- Shannon .... HAHAHAHAHAH
sooooo...nobody is gunna bring up the video is 9:11...
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I would not mind the warriors if they didn't have kd that's just like having a 5 star full course meal then adding the best dessert out there wtf man
they need kd they score more with him on the floor .. and steph and klay just need to be FOCUSED