Steph Curry is not a Top 20 all-time greatest player - Skip Bayless | NBA | UNDISPUTED

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  • @TheFacilityonFS1
    @TheFacilityonFS1  3 года назад +2123

    Is Steph Curry a Top 20 all-time greatest player?

  • @iamjaako
    @iamjaako 3 года назад +7172

    Skip is the only person to ever use 2016 to minimize BOTH steph AND lebron

    • @mitchellty
      @mitchellty 3 года назад +680

      Skip has a real gift

    • @LordStark0
      @LordStark0 3 года назад +381

      2016 is actually the only decent point he made! Skip's either delusional or trolling for views but he's right regarding those finals. Lebron should've never been down 3-1 to begin with but once it happens there's absolutely no way Steph should've lost that lead.

    • @Solz_Reaper
      @Solz_Reaper 3 года назад +118

      @@LordStark0 Bro really, your just going to act like It's not possible for them to come back 3-1. Steph was average after that 3-1 lead and your saying they shouldn't of lost that lead, bet you won't say that about Kevin Durant in 2016 but no with LeBron Steph was just too good.

    • @iamjaako
      @iamjaako 3 года назад +16

      @@LordStark0 no that’s you that’s making sense. Your point is valid but he uses it differently. For example he talks as if the ring doesn’t count because they “didn’t have draymond” for one game. He got caught when he criticized steph cause he had him in game 7, but never says “they had him in game 7” when talking about LBJ

    • @jdelgado216
      @jdelgado216 3 года назад +10

      @@iamjaako draymond only missed 1 game..

  • @andrewchristensen6828
    @andrewchristensen6828 3 года назад +4312

    Bill Walton being ranked higher than Steph is WAY outta pocket Skip. That 4/20 pack hittin different rn

    • @Kawhiburnergaming
      @Kawhiburnergaming 3 года назад +50

      Lol

    • @Max_Chainz
      @Max_Chainz 3 года назад +211

      lmaooo he on that steve urkel

    • @d.alexander4229
      @d.alexander4229 3 года назад +142

      He smokin wit wayne yo... Crazy lol

    • @michaeladams6847
      @michaeladams6847 3 года назад +93

      Drip Bayless dabbing all over the place 🤣

    • @COMOESIS
      @COMOESIS 3 года назад +55

      All yall funny many 😂🤣😭 I'm weak right now I want some of his 420 pack

  • @swaggy6122
    @swaggy6122 3 года назад +808

    Steph: scores 100 points, has 30 rebounds and 50 assists in a game
    Skip: but 2016...

    • @chickenrico5974
      @chickenrico5974 3 года назад +4

      Steph never had 100 tho, imagine saying CURRY is top 10

    • @vluufr
      @vluufr 3 года назад +64

      @@chickenrico5974 he was joking damn 💀

    • @MW-ze7dt
      @MW-ze7dt 3 года назад +51

      @@vluufr Can't expect much from a guy who named his account chicken rico

    • @lostkid6693
      @lostkid6693 3 года назад +9

      @@vluufr 😂😂😂 bruh

    • @terrellthomas5095
      @terrellthomas5095 3 года назад

      Wilt scored 100 and they said steph better than wilt no fking way!!

  • @traceatwell5950
    @traceatwell5950 2 года назад +597

    Skip: “I got Bill Walton” Shannon:” NOOOOOOOO” 😭😭

    • @kingad8869
      @kingad8869 2 года назад +3

      @@houseoftravson3162 You're wrong

    • @mannysapp4089
      @mannysapp4089 2 года назад +21

      this video aged really well for unc

    • @willjohnwick6911
      @willjohnwick6911 Год назад +9

      Lmaooo that was hilarious 😂😂

    • @donaldanderson6408
      @donaldanderson6408 11 месяцев назад +4

      Skip try to slide that in🤦🤣

    • @jakobcarson1781
      @jakobcarson1781 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@mannysapp4089no way you said Unc 2 years

  • @perezjaa
    @perezjaa 3 года назад +2089

    Shout out to Shannon for staying in his chair cause idk how he don’t throw the whole table at this man with the things he says Smfh

    • @prezidentjeff
      @prezidentjeff 3 года назад +32

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @FastLane12345
      @FastLane12345 3 года назад +26

      Steph is trash in the playoffs. I’ll take a clutch shooter like Miller and Allen any day

    • @magnificent7083
      @magnificent7083 3 года назад +179

      @@FastLane12345 i don’t like Curry but this is nonsense

    • @Randomblackguy32
      @Randomblackguy32 3 года назад +68

      @@FastLane12345 prove it and don't say 2016 finals

    • @agwu2
      @agwu2 3 года назад +98

      @@FastLane12345 You and skip and max act like he don't get triple team literally.

  • @diegoschembri1244
    @diegoschembri1244 3 года назад +1583

    "Curry has no finals mvps, he's not top 20"
    Puts Malone and harden in front of him... He's just trolling

    • @jasondesroches3553
      @jasondesroches3553 3 года назад +155

      When he said David Robinson, I had a seizure...

    • @omarmiller6038
      @omarmiller6038 3 года назад +159

      @@jasondesroches3553 he killed me on Bill Walton

    • @MichaelThompson-ux6nn
      @MichaelThompson-ux6nn 3 года назад +44

      no reason for any star that doesn't have a ring to even be in the conversation with Stephs greatness

    • @christopherasiedu9769
      @christopherasiedu9769 3 года назад +11

      James harden is a better all round player than steph how can this be a argument steph alone gets his teams top 8 in the west james harden gets top 4 in the west. I think he did it like 3 to 4 times

    • @omarmiller6038
      @omarmiller6038 3 года назад +71

      @@christopherasiedu9769 name one thing James harden is better than Steph at that isn’t over dribbling and turnovers 🤣

  • @maccula3353
    @maccula3353 3 года назад +3290

    Skip Bayless is definitely one of the top 10 haters of all time.

  • @macxavier168
    @macxavier168 2 года назад +102

    Skip Bayless: "Steph hasn't performed well in the postseason"
    Also Skip Bayless: *puts James Harden in the top 20 all-time*

  • @trvspvrk
    @trvspvrk 3 года назад +618

    Skip is such a troll that he literally contradicted himself by diminishing Steph’s greatness for “playoff failures” that he completely exaggerated but in that same breath ranks Harden ahead of him who is NOTORIOUS for multiple playoff flameouts. Skip has NO consistency with his arguments

    • @iamjaako
      @iamjaako 3 года назад +48

      You must be new here

    • @slamandjam2
      @slamandjam2 3 года назад +44

      He's just a professional troll. Watch him to laugh not learn

    • @camdonking1919
      @camdonking1919 3 года назад +34

      Skip never mentions steph out played kd in game 7

    • @marcellushall6971
      @marcellushall6971 3 года назад +2

      thought i was only person to notice that

    • @camdonking1919
      @camdonking1919 3 года назад +38

      @Jordan Sharpe kd had to join curry just to get those rings because he couldn't beat him. Curry out played him in game 7 dropped 35, Kyrie ain't never LED his team to the finals. Steph Curry led his team to five, three of those without Kd

  • @justinjoiner7226
    @justinjoiner7226 3 года назад +643

    Shannon’s reaction to Skip this whole video is priceless.

    • @ChenoodleSoup
      @ChenoodleSoup 3 года назад +8

      Shannon’s “nooo” to bill Walton was hilarious lol

    • @deziboy5150
      @deziboy5150 3 года назад +4

      Cuz he know Skip on that bull jive! (sharpe voice) lol

    • @neishastarr8174
      @neishastarr8174 3 года назад

      I could not stop laughing especially at the end because Shannon was so annoyed st Skip!

  • @jourdantv4817
    @jourdantv4817 3 года назад +760

    “They scream out my failures and whisper my accomplishments”

    • @ilovesports5468
      @ilovesports5468 3 года назад +17

      Like he screamed out that fake quote from KD on national tv and wanted to “apologize” in private....

    • @malikgordon5230
      @malikgordon5230 3 года назад +9

      @@ilovesports5468that’s fake news

    • @agwu2
      @agwu2 3 года назад +26

      "People only remember you by your worse mistakes"

    • @srivatsavyaddanapudi7772
      @srivatsavyaddanapudi7772 3 года назад +12

      Fr tho like he just forgets everything he's done and then this season he's had clutch playoff moments that shot in New Orleans, when he basically held his own on a Box-and-1 like cmon they was playing him 4 to 1

    • @Jaywilly24
      @Jaywilly24 3 года назад

      Regular season means absolutely nothing. Greatness is established in the playoffs and finals.

  • @derrick5380
    @derrick5380 2 года назад +202

    He lost me with James Harden. His whole argument was Steph chokes in the finals James chokes in the entire playoffs and does it worse

    • @marcuscarpenter7230
      @marcuscarpenter7230 2 года назад +6

      Yea idk why he legitimately I believe hates Steph and lebron like actually why does he hate them they’re legends. Correct if I’m wrong I don’t think I’ve ever seen him say anything negative about mj ever

  • @ArjunDoney
    @ArjunDoney 3 года назад +2312

    Harden over Steph?? Who are you kidding Skip. 🤦‍♂️

    • @Tech-cy9yo
      @Tech-cy9yo 3 года назад +78

      harden is better than steph though. Steph has had more luxury than harden 😂

    • @malcolmhayes9201
      @malcolmhayes9201 3 года назад +189

      @Trell Watz76 lol thats a cool opinion. Let’s be real it’s a team game not one on one. By that logic lebron is legit the greatest of all time because oh maaaan he would spank anyone 1 on 1 🤡

    • @malcolmhayes9201
      @malcolmhayes9201 3 года назад +111

      @@Tech-cy9yo at what going 0 for 20 in the playoffs? Not winning championships?

    • @Tech-cy9yo
      @Tech-cy9yo 3 года назад +15

      @@malcolmhayes9201 steph had a team that knew how to build around him

    • @malcolmhayes9201
      @malcolmhayes9201 3 года назад +100

      @@Tech-cy9yo lol Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook? How much more did this man honestly need? His team literally had the best record in the league 2018 and still lost 😂 yep but it was the rockets fault for not building more around the rockets. Stop it

  • @grantleysnipes1
    @grantleysnipes1 3 года назад +3716

    This is easy to figure out: Skip hates Steph Curry because he holds a grudge against Steph for letting Lebron come back from 3-1 to enhance Lebron's legacy.

  • @brandoobando
    @brandoobando 3 года назад +1355

    I like how Skip brings up Stephs bad shooting nights but forgets when Harden went 0-16 from three

    • @hinjurock70
      @hinjurock70 3 года назад +94

      And Harden's career FG% is significantly lower than Curry's.

    • @tobaliciousholland12
      @tobaliciousholland12 3 года назад +18

      Harden also gets way more rebounds, assists and draws more fouls than Steph. There's more to the game than simply FG%.
      Harden was definitely too ball dominant in Houston but this season he's been an absolute beast.

    • @hinjurock70
      @hinjurock70 3 года назад +91

      @@tobaliciousholland12
      Harden doesn't get "way more" rebounds and assists at all. His career averages are 5 rebounds and 6 assists - Steph's are 4 and 6. So Steph averages about the same numbers as Harden in those categories even though he's two inches shorter and has a smaller build. Check the stats before commenting next time.

    • @An3thing
      @An3thing 3 года назад +7

      @@hinjurock70 harden was a bench player at the start. Count his Houston numbers

    • @hinjurock70
      @hinjurock70 3 года назад +32

      @@An3thing
      He averaged 31 mpg in his final season in OKC, and 4 rpg and 4 apg. Then in his next two seasons in Houston, he averaged 5 rpg and 6 apg. So not much different numbers than Curry. And during his 8 seasons in Houston, he only shot better than 44% from the field in one . So overall, Curry is a more accurate shooter and his rebounding and assist numbers aren't much lower than Harden's. Also, he's won 3 championships. If I was a GM or coach,. I'd take Curry over Harden on my team any day.

  • @AK-xp9ii
    @AK-xp9ii 3 года назад +244

    By skip’s logic, if you’re trash the whole season but play well in the finals, then you’re the best player on the team. Those who got you there don’t matter

    • @mistersunshine1330
      @mistersunshine1330 3 года назад +6

      You don't get paid for coming in 2nd place

    • @tramac9033
      @tramac9033 2 года назад +8

      Bruh💆🏾‍♂️ Skip is delusional

    • @Nazoto
      @Nazoto 2 года назад

      what about harden

    • @somregularguy
      @somregularguy Год назад

      I mean you’re winning when it matters most

    • @moisesvirgen7711
      @moisesvirgen7711 10 месяцев назад

      @@somregularguyI mean take the group stage Champions league in futbol. A lot of players get away with doing good in the round of 16 to the final. But in those group stages you Need to win to get out and qualify to the knockout stages. So that means many great players in basketball also had support in the regular season to catapult them to the playoffs.. the ENTIRE SEASON should count. Maybe if you already qualified and you can play bench players those LAST GAMES it won’t matter but for the most part, you have to keep winning before the playoffs to be in a good spot.. just my opinion tbh

  • @Lhansmeyer33
    @Lhansmeyer33 3 года назад +851

    Skip is an MVP for being able to make these takes and keep a straight face. Unbelievable

    • @88GURP
      @88GURP 3 года назад +12

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @joelfredericks8217
      @joelfredericks8217 3 года назад +9

      😂😂😂 MVP and the 🐐

    • @mrgardner2461
      @mrgardner2461 3 года назад +6

      Kevin Hart told us 🤣🤣

    • @skillethead15
      @skillethead15 3 года назад +34

      Skip is correct though how Curry folds in the playoffs. But he’s a hypocrite for putting Harden ahead of Curry. Harden is the ultimate regular season player and folds in the playoffs harder than anyone.

    • @masoneightch3962
      @masoneightch3962 3 года назад +5

      Skip is on something, he tripping on this one

  • @christophergoyette692
    @christophergoyette692 3 года назад +708

    anyone else love when Shannon just looks at Skip and can’t imagine how someone could be that stupid

    • @creshondasmith4448
      @creshondasmith4448 3 года назад

      😅😅

    • @Armenian_King
      @Armenian_King 3 года назад +10

      they are both stupid shannon thinks bron is the goat

    • @KG-jw4jg
      @KG-jw4jg 3 года назад +7

      @@Armenian_King Shannon called lebron the goat but also said that meeting Jordan is like meeting a “God”

    • @imsmarterthanyou5558
      @imsmarterthanyou5558 3 года назад

      Dude thinks hardens better but with no kd game 6 steph beat him

    • @Marlowe10100
      @Marlowe10100 3 года назад +1

      Top 30 overall, he is not a 2 way player.

  • @Splooje
    @Splooje 3 года назад +549

    Haven't seen a top 10 worst skip bayless take in quite a while. It's almost refreshing

    • @StupidestBot
      @StupidestBot 3 года назад +15

      for someone that’s actually watched as much basketball as skip bayless, he does have the hottest takes of all time every once in a while

    • @elitesniper3527
      @elitesniper3527 3 года назад

      Lmao

    • @black-popfilms9355
      @black-popfilms9355 3 года назад +2

      He was due. This will go viral

    • @sareaper69
      @sareaper69 3 года назад +4

      This is almost as bad as his Luca Doncic takes. *Luca bad player, look at me not being racist, hate on good white guy player, am Skip*

    • @mike.cdn7212
      @mike.cdn7212 3 года назад +2

      Skip is a the ultimate troll

  • @ethlynfrancis6560
    @ethlynfrancis6560 3 года назад +107

    10:13 shows how inconsistent Skip is. A few years ago he barely had Dirk in his top 50, now he's top 20.

    • @hiddenjocelyn1088
      @hiddenjocelyn1088 Год назад +6

      You must be a Mavericks fan who's been waiting for this moment 😅, I can relate as a Jokic fan, you kept the receipts 😂

    • @orwppi9278
      @orwppi9278 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@hiddenjocelyn1088😂

  • @troyford100
    @troyford100 3 года назад +762

    Skip is the most loyal hater I've ever seen 😂😂😂 once Skip got a grudge it's over

    • @awsomesprinkles
      @awsomesprinkles 3 года назад +32

      If his grudge make him money so be it

    • @RT-qz5ci
      @RT-qz5ci 3 года назад +30

      @@awsomesprinkles facts hes an actor. Hes good at it too

    • @Barak-Ts
      @Barak-Ts 3 года назад +1

      but did u listen to all of his facts ?
      curry stinks in clutch

    • @stinger5127
      @stinger5127 3 года назад +7

      @@Barak-Ts but that's the problem. It can't just be how clutch you are the last 10 seconds because a b ball game is 48 minutes long. If you suck and play bad and are getting blown out the first 47 minutes then what does it matter if you played good the last minute

    • @maher.k22
      @maher.k22 3 года назад +3

      He seems to love "number 2" now.
      He only hate Lebron and the players that lost to him, in order to diminish Lebron's accolades.

  • @kaushaldave9936
    @kaushaldave9936 3 года назад +555

    When Skip said Bill Walton Shannon should have flipped the table

  • @shaynencube355
    @shaynencube355 3 года назад +604

    Skip Bayless: Steph Curry isn’t in a top 20 player because he doesn’t have any FMVPs
    Also Skip Bayless: James Harden is top 20
    I CANT 😭😭😭

    • @andrebundles1037
      @andrebundles1037 3 года назад +59

      Word wtf he’s smoking

    • @MW-ze7dt
      @MW-ze7dt 3 года назад +70

      Skip wants to always bring up curry choking in 2016 & thats why he says he's not top 20 but then to say HARDEN is better??? Has he not watch Hardens multiple playoffs meltdowns🤔the amount of hate skip has in his hearts for players is worrying sometimes.

    • @MazdaRX734
      @MazdaRX734 3 года назад +31

      @@MW-ze7dt he says hes a spurs fan and forgot the meltdown harden had against them in game 6 without kawhi leonard. Houston lost by 39

    • @tbjb009
      @tbjb009 3 года назад +15

      Harden is a better overall player than Steph. Steph is more accomplished

    • @ZeeChamberlain
      @ZeeChamberlain 3 года назад

      😂😂😂😂

  • @owenjones795
    @owenjones795 2 года назад +170

    Shannon’s take aged like wine, skips aged like milk

    • @dcap79
      @dcap79 2 года назад +7

      Room temperature milk at that.

    • @stryleyung3891
      @stryleyung3891 2 года назад +2

      Skip won’t admit that Steph was hobbled against Bron and Cleveland and Steph was getting a box in one defense against Raptors

    • @yaseh9162
      @yaseh9162 Год назад

      9:01 Not agreeing with skip, but he just wasn't convinced yet. Honestly can't blame him for it even though I've always thought Steph was that guy personally.

    • @hiddenjocelyn1088
      @hiddenjocelyn1088 Год назад +1

      ​@@yaseh9162 If you're not convinced about Steph at that given point, you just a lost cause there's no other reason why somebody can justify them not being sold yet

    • @somregularguy
      @somregularguy Год назад

      @@stryleyung3891 so he wasn’t hobbled when they had a 3-1 lead but hobbled to win 1 game 😂… 🥩🚴 is crazy

  • @lukeross2227
    @lukeross2227 3 года назад +393

    Skip: "Steph Curry has no finals MVPs so he's not top 20"
    Skip also: "James Harden is top 20"

    • @kevfrm5622
      @kevfrm5622 3 года назад +72

      Fr bro , everybody knows that Curry was robbed from Fmvp in 2015 only casuals say otherwise

    • @skytyrone6
      @skytyrone6 3 года назад +3

      @@kevfrm5622 that’s fax lmao.

    • @Slow-Rolling
      @Slow-Rolling 3 года назад +16

      @@kevfrm5622 .. he lost a 3-1 lead in the NBA FINALS.. the biggest choke of all time

    • @sharpshooter2430
      @sharpshooter2430 3 года назад +38

      @@Slow-Rolling that would be LeBron in 2011 actually

    • @jeevandalip1082
      @jeevandalip1082 3 года назад +20

      @@Slow-Rolling you clearly didn't watch the Clippers last season.

  • @marcusgetsbuckets8798
    @marcusgetsbuckets8798 3 года назад +791

    The title alone is already an L

    • @deshawnsimms8625
      @deshawnsimms8625 3 года назад

      Explain?

    • @thsu8
      @thsu8 3 года назад +6

      Steph had a shot at immortal goat status in 2016. He choked HARD in Game 7 at Oracle. He basically said, "Here, LeBron, you take the chip" in that 4th quarter. The ship sailed on top 10. I'd put Steph between 15-20. He's the best shooter ever with top 5 handles and maybe the most underrated passer ever, but he's a choke artist when it matters and a mediocre defender. Kyrie is better than Steph when it matters.

    • @IrvingDL506
      @IrvingDL506 3 года назад +34

      Saying that Steph ain't top 20 is an L all by itself cause is nonsense, I think that's where he's coming from

    • @joecreations3737
      @joecreations3737 3 года назад +4

      @@thsu8 I wouldn't say now though every since that mental shutdown in 2016 he's been ok in the clutch and when it matters most. Of course he has his mishaps, but he's been doing well in the playoffs. We'll just see this year if they can make the play in tournament

    • @kame99023
      @kame99023 3 года назад

      Or a W because u are looking.

  • @samcrossland5325
    @samcrossland5325 3 года назад +988

    “I can’t have Steph in my top 20, he hasn’t done it in the finals”
    Puts James harden at 19 😵😵😵😵😵

    • @zerokool-2058
      @zerokool-2058 3 года назад +85

      LmaO 😂. Who wasn’t even there but once!

    • @ChrisUnbias1of1
      @ChrisUnbias1of1 3 года назад +9

      Lmaoooo

    • @gholguin88
      @gholguin88 3 года назад +32

      Not even that. Walton very small sample size, then Robinson (wasn’t even best on his team. They had Duncan), or who else did he say Harden (again wasn’t even best on his team in Okc, not even second best).

    • @GTBgeo
      @GTBgeo 3 года назад +4

      harden hasn’t had finals teams in the past. curry has had the second best 3 point shooter and kd on his team. i think kyrie better than curry. curry just had better teams. that’s all it is. and the rockets would’ve won the year that cp3 got injured if cp3 was healthy.

    • @GTBgeo
      @GTBgeo 3 года назад

      wouldn’t have won it all but would’ve gotten to the finals

  • @toddstamos89
    @toddstamos89 3 года назад +362

    Steph is absolutely a top 20 all-time great.
    - He has led the league in steals
    -Greatest shooter in league history
    -Almost single-handedly revolutionized the game
    -2 time scoring champ
    -3 time champ
    -7 all-NBA selections
    In the playoffs: 26.5 ppg, 45% shooting, 40% from three, 91% ft, 5.5 assists and 1.5 steals. Those number are completely on par with, or better than, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James, but Skip isn’t impressed.
    Even more ridiculous Skip talks about Steph’s struggles in 2016, and holds it against him, without doing the same with Lebron’s 2011 finals performance. How about Magic Johnson’s “Tragic Johnson” performance in 1984? Kobe’s stinker in 2004?

    • @bilindameen6302
      @bilindameen6302 2 года назад +23

      @Lukas Massey Yeah he tripping

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 2 года назад +30

      The Chosen One became the Frozen One lol

    • @calebharman7661
      @calebharman7661 2 года назад +2

      He revolutionized shot chucking, and he just recently became the best 3 point shooter

    • @jeremiah_7
      @jeremiah_7 2 года назад +32

      @@calebharman7661 Pls stop talking about basketball 🙏🏽

    • @calebharman7661
      @calebharman7661 2 года назад +2

      @@jeremiah_7 hrs shooting worse than Russell Westbrook still

  • @Keyz4949
    @Keyz4949 3 года назад +883

    Skip calling steph a “hot/cold shooter”. Steph has one of the highest career 3pt% ever 😂

    • @jamahalHill-is-A-BUM
      @jamahalHill-is-A-BUM 3 года назад +33

      In the clutch he’s been a bit underwhelming

    • @devontaelafleur3841
      @devontaelafleur3841 3 года назад +8

      @@jamahalHill-is-A-BUM in 5 games

    • @KG-jw4jg
      @KG-jw4jg 3 года назад +181

      @@jamahalHill-is-A-BUM he has the 2nd highest % in the last 24 seconds to tie or go ahead shot and only behind Jordan 😐

    • @dclomg5
      @dclomg5 3 года назад +5

      You can be hot and cold and still be the best. I don't agree that Curry is that, but hot/ cold vs best isn't mutually exclusive.

    • @sellouths1433
      @sellouths1433 3 года назад +2

      Klay does

  • @miamiheat3865
    @miamiheat3865 3 года назад +751

    “ Steph folds in the biggest moments” Names James harden*

    • @princekazhila2003
      @princekazhila2003 3 года назад +20

      ☠☠☠😂😂😂

    • @richricey2481
      @richricey2481 3 года назад +30

      Crazy from skip

    • @mjboy6409
      @mjboy6409 3 года назад

      Fax💀😭😂

    • @Rkizz.
      @Rkizz. 3 года назад +22

      James harden is better in clutch moments than Steph

    • @stepbroliam
      @stepbroliam 3 года назад +95

      @@Rkizz. this is cap... Steph has sent Harden home in the playoffs way too many times 😭

  • @trystanbalderston5198
    @trystanbalderston5198 3 года назад +283

    I love how skip pulled the “we don’t have the time to get into the stats” then proceeded to rant lmao

    • @twizzy585ots
      @twizzy585ots 3 года назад +5

      💯😭

    • @charlieakateddy
      @charlieakateddy 3 года назад +2

      Dropped BS about 3 games in one Finals when he got injured twice during the playoffs. Skip is a wasteman journalist - hates on LeBron, Steph, Luka etc.

  • @FinanceFundamentals7
    @FinanceFundamentals7 2 года назад +30

    This dude Skip really said Bill Walton is better than Steph just stop it

  • @ChenoodleSoup
    @ChenoodleSoup 3 года назад +492

    Shanons “noooo” to bill Walton was hilarious lol

    • @joee921
      @joee921 3 года назад +14

      Just saw it 😂

    • @Judosato
      @Judosato 3 года назад +12

      Fr 😂😂😂had me rolling

    • @mr.selfmade9830
      @mr.selfmade9830 3 года назад +3

      😆😆😆😂😂😂☠💀☠💀☠

    • @blanelynch4576
      @blanelynch4576 3 года назад +4

      Man bouta. “For two years”💀😂💀💀

    • @mela3889
      @mela3889 3 года назад +7

      Look up “Shannon Sharpe vs Skip Bayless STEPH CURRY SLANDER” they already clipped it 😂😂

  • @robertflemingjr.9659
    @robertflemingjr.9659 3 года назад +294

    “You’re acting like Steph lost to a bum in Lebron.” - Unc Shay *CASE CLOSED

    • @Des_M3
      @Des_M3 3 года назад +8

      Bron Lose chips all the time

    • @Augustgetmoney
      @Augustgetmoney 3 года назад +4

      THEY HAD KD!!!

    • @douglasbryant2556
      @douglasbryant2556 3 года назад +20

      @@Des_M3 Lebron's won 4 Rings. Not bad for a guy who "loses chips all the time".
      I'll bet there's been plenty of times Barkley wishes he had just ONE Chip, so he wouldn't have to put up with Shaq throwing his Rings in his face.

    • @Des_M3
      @Des_M3 3 года назад +2

      @@douglasbryant2556 he should win, he hand picks his teams and switches teams every four years, he’s also an all time great

    • @C-A-R-D-O
      @C-A-R-D-O 3 года назад

      @@douglasbryant2556 p

  • @robg8203
    @robg8203 3 года назад +1602

    “Iggy stopped lebron, he only averaged 36-13-9” 😂

    • @23inthapatha63
      @23inthapatha63 3 года назад +52

      😂 he a 🤡

    • @braunnigod134
      @braunnigod134 3 года назад +188

      @Kember Walkin you a 🤡

    • @Darbskj
      @Darbskj 3 года назад +35

      I was like how did he stop him

    • @Release-Topic-b4d
      @Release-Topic-b4d 3 года назад +6

      Lmao , somebody tell him the definition of stopping...

    • @tbjalen
      @tbjalen 3 года назад +87

      @@Release-Topic-b4d he was being sarcastic.

  • @Legendary_Twan
    @Legendary_Twan 2 года назад +45

    Skip's logic..
    Steph: Not top 20 because no finales mvp
    James Harden: top 20 with no finals appearances
    🤔 How Sway ????

  • @kendellosabukle6657
    @kendellosabukle6657 3 года назад +456

    I’ve never clicked on a video with such a ludicrous title before

    • @velimirjuradin8764
      @velimirjuradin8764 3 года назад +18

      At the end of his career he's gonna end up top 10.

    • @amrokhalil6476
      @amrokhalil6476 3 года назад +2

      You see he said he handed lebron the championship but if it was mj that won it he would say mj won it steph is number 11 on my list if he wins mvp and another ring he is in the top 10 don’t tell me he doesn’t play defense I don’t care also he lead the nba in steals twice soooo skip is the same man that said Scottie pippin isn’t a top 50 all time pippin is one of the most complete defensive players in history

    • @pengriffey9994
      @pengriffey9994 3 года назад +1

      I saw the title and clicked so fast just to hear how it can be justified

    • @jacobfaltine7687
      @jacobfaltine7687 3 года назад

      @@velimirjuradin8764 that’s a stretch

    • @velimirjuradin8764
      @velimirjuradin8764 3 года назад +5

      If you don't have steph in your top 20 rn, we cannot talk basketball. He's number 12 on my list.

  • @lubabalomengu1845
    @lubabalomengu1845 3 года назад +718

    Steph at 40% from 3, is the worst of his career.... For everyone, that's an amazing stat - top tier shooters 😂

    • @dynamiteSANTA
      @dynamiteSANTA 3 года назад +34

      He shot above 40 percent every season in his career except last year when he broke his hand

    • @tigera6
      @tigera6 3 года назад +22

      Dame and Harden would take 30 3s a game if they can shoot 40%.

    • @whomeyhate219
      @whomeyhate219 3 года назад +2

      Bro...

    • @georgelamountain1485
      @georgelamountain1485 3 года назад +1

      That’s not the question tho

    • @lubabalomengu1845
      @lubabalomengu1845 3 года назад +1

      @@georgelamountain1485 so perceptive 🙄

  • @tobiasblack1749
    @tobiasblack1749 3 года назад +128

    KD: “Skip doesn’t know basketball.”
    Me: “I don’t know. Some of his opinions are ok.”
    Skip: “Steph Curry is not top 20! I have James Harden over him!”
    Me: “KD ended that debate.”

    • @Chris56076
      @Chris56076 3 года назад

      Nah curry has no finals mvps! He choked

    • @oscarr8597
      @oscarr8597 3 года назад +9

      @@Chris56076 and what has Harden done in the playoffs??

    • @ikhayes1
      @ikhayes1 3 года назад +3

      @@Chris56076 Harden 💩 his pants in 2012 finals

    • @chucky8819
      @chucky8819 3 года назад

      @@Chris56076 harden hasn’t played in the finals you goose

    • @gregoates1203
      @gregoates1203 3 года назад +1

      @@chucky8819 he has lol

  • @Von.NorthEnd
    @Von.NorthEnd 2 года назад +36

    The funniest part of this segment was that Skip was dead serious. There's ppl who you can clearly tell that they are trolling but Skip actually believes what he's saying which makes it all the more entertaining

  • @KingAdebiyi
    @KingAdebiyi 3 года назад +120

    *Skip criticises Currys playoff downfalls as a reason for him not being top 20*
    Also Skip: *Skip puts Harden ahead of Curry
    How does he not burst out laughing saying this stuff

    • @MW-ze7dt
      @MW-ze7dt 3 года назад +18

      Skip wants to always bring up curry choking in 2016 & thats why he says he's not top 20 but then to say HARDEN is better??? Has he not watch Hardens multiple playoffs meltdowns🤔the amount of hate skip has in his hearts for players is worrying sometimes
      Edit: & yes I commented the same thing in another comment thead

    • @Thegoldenchild415
      @Thegoldenchild415 3 года назад +1

      @@MW-ze7dt facts 💯💯💯💯

    • @chalnervassor9430
      @chalnervassor9430 3 года назад

      @@MW-ze7dt if he says curry is good he would be giving bron credit. thats why he doing this

    • @jubei187
      @jubei187 3 года назад +2

      I can't take Skip seriously....he sucks

    • @YaBoiReezy
      @YaBoiReezy 3 года назад

      @@MW-ze7dt who had the better team harden or Steph???

  • @VetPvtSmoke
    @VetPvtSmoke 3 года назад +202

    even bill walton was surprised by skip's take

    • @emanuelmorais8449
      @emanuelmorais8449 3 года назад +4

      This is an underrated comment 😅

    • @luv2ruck770
      @luv2ruck770 3 года назад +2

      Thats very ignorant of you to say.

    • @superwong6601
      @superwong6601 3 года назад +2

      you don't know what you're talking about. bill walton had one of the most dominant runs in nba history before getting hurt.

    • @VetPvtSmoke
      @VetPvtSmoke 3 года назад +8

      @@superwong6601 so why isnt yao ming top 20?

    • @KKOOLSKOOL
      @KKOOLSKOOL 3 года назад +4

      @@superwong6601 coo and so did drose he not top 20

  • @bary3kolor
    @bary3kolor 3 года назад +350

    *I remember Skip saying that Dirk is not the top 50 all time player, now he says he is in the top 20*

    • @royalty23
      @royalty23 3 года назад +26

      THANK YOU

    • @KeefChief_
      @KeefChief_ 3 года назад +20

      Because if people admit how much better today’s players are then other players they would HAVE to admit lebron is better

    • @ethanh23838
      @ethanh23838 3 года назад +23

      He just hates on whoever is popular at the time for views

    • @mr.benjamin2478
      @mr.benjamin2478 3 года назад

      Cause he is not

    • @alvincook8970
      @alvincook8970 3 года назад +2

      Hes a clown 🤡

  • @RushDawgSXM
    @RushDawgSXM 2 года назад +42

    Shannon's reaction killed me. Did not expect that at all!🤣🤣I had to replay it. I know this is old but I'm so accustom to Skip right now that I expect just about anything from him at this point lol

  • @xamsefarah8353
    @xamsefarah8353 3 года назад +299

    he called curry a hot cold shooter and he made it seem like shooting 40% from three is bad 😂

    • @gash_box
      @gash_box 3 года назад +32

      while taking 11 attempts per game. PER GAME

    • @xamsefarah8353
      @xamsefarah8353 3 года назад +31

      @@gash_box exactly my point. steph is undeniably a top 20 player of all time for sure. he’s in my top 15

    • @VickHushpuppy215
      @VickHushpuppy215 3 года назад +2

      @@xamsefarah8353 ‼️ I agree

    • @asterisk911
      @asterisk911 3 года назад +9

      Skip knows better. Curry will always hit 40-45% of his 3s in a 1000-shot sample, and he'll always be either 0% or 100% in a 1-shot sample, and will be between 60% and 20% in a 40-shot sample. 3-point shots aren't like, say, turning a door knob or chopping wood. EVERY player is going to hit his long-term average over the long-term, but vary wildly over the short term. That's just the nature of it, and, heck, it's precisely WHY Sir Charles initially said that jump shooting teams were unlikely to win championships: jump shots USUALLY miss.
      Just to be clear: what it means to be the greatest shooter of all time-- and it doesn't even matter whether you think it's Steph or someone else-- is that you're going to miss more 3-pointers than you make. That's just the way it is.

    • @wardellstephencurryii7382
      @wardellstephencurryii7382 3 года назад +1

      @@asterisk911 tbh understood nothing from this but skip was at wrong bro he’s got no spacing and is the most efficient season ever for a player averaging over 30 ppg a game he is playing with g league players and is triple teamed on daily basis no one ever got this treatment for me he’s the best basketball player rn and top 12 all time

  • @jacobfaltine7687
    @jacobfaltine7687 3 года назад +201

    The moment I clicked this video I went straight to the comments to look at how people are gonna destroy skip for this one💀💀oh no

  • @FindingTom
    @FindingTom 3 года назад +1731

    2:23 - 5 year old me when Mom denied my Mcdonald's request.

  • @Pizzaguy-jg7so
    @Pizzaguy-jg7so 2 года назад +24

    Skiup: He’s stunk in the postseason!
    Me: He’s gone to five straight Finals in a row and won three of them. 🤨
    Also I’m been a Rockets fan for years and even I have to admit Steph Curry>James Harden.

  • @rickymarlowe4962
    @rickymarlowe4962 3 года назад +292

    Man I really just watched someone take Bill Walton over Steph Curry. 2021 is a trip.

    • @lowellwilliams2909
      @lowellwilliams2909 3 года назад +24

      Credibility lost on that .
      Skip can just shut his trap...

    • @nsonabel
      @nsonabel 3 года назад +13

      Even Bill can't place himself above him ..its ..asinine as Stephen A says 🤣🤣🥺

    • @jakeharrison207
      @jakeharrison207 3 года назад +2

      Trip and a half

    • @YuniqueKelsey
      @YuniqueKelsey 3 года назад +2

      Facts 😂 😂

    • @fucuszullanti7877
      @fucuszullanti7877 3 года назад +2

      When do y’all realize this is tv?

  • @mitchellhale1065
    @mitchellhale1065 3 года назад +262

    He had bill walton, 1-8 finals record jerry west, Dirk, no ring Karl Malone, talks abt stephs meltdowns but never talks abt hardens playoff meltdowns including him scoring 10 points 6 TOS and having a -28+/- in an elimination game at home without kawhi including having no ring. Skip is an old head who lives in the past

    • @taibou44
      @taibou44 3 года назад +26

      steph beat harden so bad in the playoff that he decided to leave houston and chase a ring in brooklyn

    • @ongogablogian
      @ongogablogian 3 года назад +20

      Or his 2-11, 12 turnover performance vs the Warriors in G5 of the WCF

    • @brian6441
      @brian6441 3 года назад +3

      Ok but Jerry made it to the finals 9 times. Curry was just on a super team. He's literally the logo. Don't disrespect Jerry West lol. Bill walton though is dumb

    • @salvatoresultana4058
      @salvatoresultana4058 3 года назад +12

      Didn’t he say Manu was top 20 all time over Dirk?

    • @Max_Chainz
      @Max_Chainz 3 года назад +5

      @@brian6441 jerry west isn't better than steph come on now lmao

  • @Deep2401-r2e
    @Deep2401-r2e 3 года назад +645

    According to skip
    LeBron vs gsw : Kd showed him who is the boss
    Harden vs gsw : Curry had better teammates so it doesn't count

    • @js0426
      @js0426 3 года назад +69

      Lmao double standard at its finest

    • @tshegofatsomatlala1623
      @tshegofatsomatlala1623 3 года назад +32

      😂 Is a walking contradiction

    • @Jorozco3708
      @Jorozco3708 3 года назад +28

      Psh you can keep going with those he kills steph for not having a Fmvp but puts harden above him who's never lead a team to the finals at all

    • @nc288
      @nc288 3 года назад

      Well

    • @olivercarney8382
      @olivercarney8382 2 года назад +6

      @@Jorozco3708 to be fair once harden got an Allstar teammate the rockets put up just as much of a fight as Bron and the cavs. According to Draymond no other team would of beat the rockets besides the warriors

  • @nnamdiede1180
    @nnamdiede1180 2 года назад +67

    Who’s here after Steph won finals mvp?

    • @DJrIII
      @DJrIII 2 года назад +1

      I'm from Venezuela

    • @FaridAhmed_1
      @FaridAhmed_1 2 года назад +1

      We here from 🇳🇬😂

    • @thatguy1763
      @thatguy1763 2 года назад +3

      Still not in my top 10

    • @nnamdiede1180
      @nnamdiede1180 2 года назад +3

      @@thatguy1763 The question was top 20 which he’s been for years now but Skip said he would put him in on his list if he won a FMVO which he did. If he wins a MVP or FMVP again… he’s immediately on that top 10 .

    • @absoluteclutch4585
      @absoluteclutch4585 2 года назад

      @@nnamdiede1180 He ain't top 10. Top 15 yes, but no way top 10.

  • @lukemaher7898
    @lukemaher7898 3 года назад +480

    When he said harden is better than steph he lost all validation in his arguement 😂😂

    • @devanteembreybanks424
      @devanteembreybanks424 3 года назад +10

      Honestly 2 me as a player (talent wise) it's up for debate, but once accolades come into the convoy steph is better.

    • @sergerivers1812
      @sergerivers1812 3 года назад +6

      Let’s not act like harden is trash

    • @Abdul-pz8xc
      @Abdul-pz8xc 3 года назад +27

      @@devanteembreybanks424 but skip makes no sense bc he said when it’s clutch time Steph has under performed but so has harden

    • @blahblah-oi6fl
      @blahblah-oi6fl 3 года назад +11

      harden is miles better than steph, 0 finals MVPs

    • @grantadams7563
      @grantadams7563 3 года назад +28

      @@blahblah-oi6fl 0 chips 0 series wins vs curry only 1 mvp, but hey miles better i guess...

  • @Zuri_SM
    @Zuri_SM 3 года назад +415

    lmao skip is really one of those "curry has zero finals MVPs" trolls on twitter

    • @anthonyrocco5208
      @anthonyrocco5208 3 года назад +11

      It’s fact though. Durant was clearly the superior player, and Curry is not good enough to carry his team by himself.
      Unless their opponent is injured like 2015 and 2018 lol.

    • @Zuri_SM
      @Zuri_SM 3 года назад +58

      @@anthonyrocco5208 "It’s fact though" i mean, yes. but anyone with a working set of eyes thought that curry would win finals MVP in 2015. and i gotta ask, do yall think before you type this stuff? "Curry is not good enough to carry his team by himself" Neither is Kevin Durant. Without Curry, Klay, and Draymond on his team, Kevin Durant has 1 finals appearance. He blew a 3-1 lead to Curry. When they have to match up with arguably the greatest player of all time in the finals with Lebron, it's gonna take a stacked team to beat him (or injury). Curry without KD has lead the warriors to 67 wins and 73 wins in b2b seasons in a tough conference (with regular season MVPs to show for it), 2 finals appearances, and a championship. Injuries were a huge part of that 2015 championship, but lets not act like getting through the western conference is just a cake walk. Plus, in the 2019 playoffs when KD was injured, Curry finished off the Rockets and swept the Blazers for another finals appearance. You notice how the first thing KD does after leaving Curry is team up with another MVP in James Harden with another generation talent in Kyrie Irving backing them. He knows as well as anyone that making the finals and winning a Championship is more than a one man job.

    • @lucacacc8337
      @lucacacc8337 3 года назад +5

      @@anthonyrocco5208 shut up maaan

    • @justtheon5903
      @justtheon5903 3 года назад +5

      The way I see it. Steph curry is good enough to carry his team. His team is not quality enough to truly take advantage of being carried

    • @Zuri_SM
      @Zuri_SM 3 года назад

      @@justtheon5903 For this season, yes you'd be absolutely correct.

  • @kaz7690
    @kaz7690 3 года назад +803

    Shannon is really everyone's voice of reason in this show lmfaoo

    • @kb4231
      @kb4231 3 года назад +13

      Not really some of the guys Skip has in front of Curry are debatable, but Shannon dismissed everyone of them. That said Bill Walton and Paul Pierce are insane.

    • @dionwatson3445
      @dionwatson3445 3 года назад +7

      There’s two sides to every coin. I mean everybody can’t be able to have the same opinions...especially if they push the narrative in our face.

    • @peterlord7682
      @peterlord7682 3 года назад +1

      Frfr

    • @graywolf2107
      @graywolf2107 3 года назад +1

      ABSOLUTELY

    • @saralkhare1999
      @saralkhare1999 3 года назад +6

      Except when he talks about lebron and Brady

  • @kurtmccalister1009
    @kurtmccalister1009 2 года назад +16

    the "WHATTTTTT..." catches me everytime🤣🤣

  • @ThankyouJesus-WWJD
    @ThankyouJesus-WWJD 3 года назад +1128

    Steph is 100% a top 15 player ever. He could play in any era and be spectacular

    • @luclarbi4739
      @luclarbi4739 3 года назад +62

      Any era past 1980 conisdering there was no 3 point line before that he would be really good before that tho but not spectacular

    • @mypasswordisredcarrot
      @mypasswordisredcarrot 3 года назад +11

      No he's not

    • @Phori859
      @Phori859 3 года назад +78

      @@luclarbi4739 he would still have a lethal midrange

    • @notyoungkid4653
      @notyoungkid4653 3 года назад +51

      @@luclarbi4739 no it doesn’t matter no one knew how to guard the perimeter at the time to be honest he might be at an advantage

    • @luckydust7059
      @luckydust7059 3 года назад +3

      unless it’s the finals

  • @northside4767
    @northside4767 3 года назад +306

    Skips whole argument to throw away Steph’s entire legacy is three games, unbelievable, yet believable.

    • @jasonmyer3615
      @jasonmyer3615 3 года назад +2

      It’s difficult to digest a bitter pill.

    • @maxiqums1549
      @maxiqums1549 3 года назад +3

      well, sometimes it’s one game, ask Harden about that

    • @lovehate8286
      @lovehate8286 3 года назад +14

      @@maxiqums1549
      It’s several for harden.
      😂😂😂😂

    • @alikader909
      @alikader909 3 года назад +4

      Steph only has the rings because of KD.

    • @henrystory4703
      @henrystory4703 3 года назад +16

      @@alikader909 you still have time to delete this, Steph had a ring before KD had one

  • @zekiaherfe4234
    @zekiaherfe4234 3 года назад +356

    the way Shannon said WHUTTT had me crying 😭😭😂

    • @zekiaherfe4234
      @zekiaherfe4234 3 года назад +25

      Even though Shannon be over the top when talking bout bron this video shows that he recognizes greatness from others as well. I gained so much respect from Shannon the way he analyzed Steph and what he’s done over his career. Mad props to Sharpe and for dealing with this clown that he works with😭😭😭.

    • @marcusfarmer7249
      @marcusfarmer7249 3 года назад +1

      🤣😂🤣😂

    • @bigdrizzy2068
      @bigdrizzy2068 3 года назад

      On god cuz I said it at the same time lmfaooo skip losing his marbles

    • @_ThatboyIan
      @_ThatboyIan 3 года назад +2

      @@zekiaherfe4234 Shannon always been that way you’re late bud

  • @daquanbeamon2635
    @daquanbeamon2635 2 года назад +21

    Skip “I’m going by intangibles”
    Then continues to pick harden over curry. There are multiple videos of skip violating harden over his lack of intangibles

    • @askask2721
      @askask2721 2 года назад +3

      IKR. How can you base this on playoffs and put guys without championships ahead of him and guys who had multiple playoff collapses.

  • @stancegang7334
    @stancegang7334 3 года назад +429

    “Iguadola stopped lebron...he averaged 36”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀

    • @reginaldhenderson9
      @reginaldhenderson9 3 года назад +27

      Yeah on 30% shooting from the field but you only see the 36 point average 🤣🤣🤣

    • @demarcus-1945
      @demarcus-1945 3 года назад +60

      @@reginaldhenderson9 39%

    • @reginaldhenderson9
      @reginaldhenderson9 3 года назад +17

      U still don’t get it? Its called efficiency. any good player can average 36 points if they are taking over 40 shot attempts.

    • @doc8013
      @doc8013 3 года назад +35

      @@reginaldhenderson9 my god, what a humiliating comment from you lmao

    • @reginaldhenderson9
      @reginaldhenderson9 3 года назад +1

      Lol I wouldn’t call it humiliating, just stating what really happened and why iggy was awarded finals MVP

  • @kaushaldave9936
    @kaushaldave9936 3 года назад +152

    Skip has a bogus argument. Steph dont got a finals mvp so he not top 20?? David Robinson dont got a finals mvp and Karl Malone dont got a ring but they’re in skip’s top 15 lol

    • @haydennyagah706
      @haydennyagah706 3 года назад +25

      and everyone and their mother knows Steph deserved that 2015 FMVP over Iggy.....people say Iggy locked up Lebron but Bron damn near averaged a triple double still. Skip thinks he's not hating but he clearly is

    • @Ali-vk6jm
      @Ali-vk6jm 3 года назад +15

      @@haydennyagah706 35.8 ppg, 13.3 Trb, 8.8 ast.
      Steph should’ve had that mvp no matter what lebrons fg% was. He was the only good player on the other side. Iggy didn’t deserve the fmvp for the “lockdown d” that he played

    • @vidarye5859
      @vidarye5859 3 года назад +3

      @@Ali-vk6jm fr, steph deserved that. iggy didn’t even lock down bron lmao

    • @cdai216
      @cdai216 3 года назад

      Rings are a team accomplishment once you get to the finals getting that mvp is about what you individually do on the court

    • @stopplzs
      @stopplzs 3 года назад

      @@haydennyagah706 LeBron deserved the finals mvp. He was objectively the best player in that series

  • @unlitdragon6931
    @unlitdragon6931 3 года назад +140

    Skip acting like "his career-low 40" from 3 is some scrub numbers lmaoo

  • @BearlyTim
    @BearlyTim 3 года назад +17

    In the 2018-2019 Finals - Which the Warriors lost to the Raptors, Steph Curry averaged more than 30 points per game. The only point guard to average more points in the Finals is Jerry West. That's it. West owns the top 4 spots and then it's Curry. Skip is just a hater.

  • @tayomiakinrolabu1316
    @tayomiakinrolabu1316 3 года назад +160

    I would’ve just walked out the studio after that Bill Walton take

    • @leebron514
      @leebron514 3 года назад +16

      Man i almost deleted my youtube app after hearing that

    • @Bklynstndup
      @Bklynstndup 3 года назад +2

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @thebeatnumber
      @thebeatnumber 3 года назад +1

      Was he wrong about Walton? Do some homework. Read a history book.

    • @jerrybutler4460
      @jerrybutler4460 3 года назад +11

      @@thebeatnumber Walton doesn't belong in the same sentence with Curry. YOU go do your homework

    • @raimonjr8098
      @raimonjr8098 3 года назад +7

      @@thebeatnumber walton only had 2 elite nba seasons. And as far as i know college careers arent counted towards all time lists. People like you need to realise player from the past doesnt equal underrated and better

  • @nomurakenta2980
    @nomurakenta2980 3 года назад +257

    9:46 “I got Bill Walton”
    “NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!” 😂

    • @Youngerick1990
      @Youngerick1990 3 года назад +21

      Oohhhh STOPP IT!!!!!

    • @kennethgriffin7921
      @kennethgriffin7921 3 года назад +5

      peak wise he might be top 5 all time. Walton was basically Kareem level for 2 years

    • @gooby2065
      @gooby2065 3 года назад +3

      thats an all-time moment for this show lmao

    • @adrielchapa7545
      @adrielchapa7545 3 года назад +9

      Bill Walton not even top 25

    • @justinwade1381
      @justinwade1381 3 года назад +3

      I had to go lookup who "Bill Walton" was!

  • @emmanuelnwokobia
    @emmanuelnwokobia 3 года назад +62

    How on earth did Shannon stay so calm? I would've lost my mind with all that nonsense that Skip was saying!!!

    • @isaacdebeila8085
      @isaacdebeila8085 3 года назад +1

      cause Shannon doesnt rock with Curry like that, he just couldnt take this time is all

  • @shadyyscrazy
    @shadyyscrazy 2 года назад +7

    2:21 I’m dead at shannons “WhaAaT” 🤣🤣

  • @jayb341
    @jayb341 3 года назад +190

    40% 3 pt percentage is the worst of his career??? That’s amazing! That’s insane. Skip is insane!!

    • @michaeljenkins8679
      @michaeljenkins8679 3 года назад +24

      Skip is the most delusional sports analyst on ESPN

    • @isaiah1646
      @isaiah1646 3 года назад

      @@michaeljenkins8679 Espn ?

    • @AnthonyJones409
      @AnthonyJones409 3 года назад +4

      Facts. 40 percent is crazy

    • @xtuck4513
      @xtuck4513 3 года назад +1

      And he gets doubled all game everygamw

    • @freegucci4380
      @freegucci4380 3 года назад +7

      He’s shooting 43.1% while shooting 12-13 threes off and the dribble with the smallest spacing. Joe ingles shoots 5 and is a catch and shoot player🤣🤣🤣

  • @TalkTopicscity29
    @TalkTopicscity29 3 года назад +318

    Skip: I got Bill Walton
    Shannon: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!😂😂😂

    • @dez5104
      @dez5104 3 года назад +1

      Ong😂😂

    • @upfront2375
      @upfront2375 3 года назад +2

      Yeah😂😂 black folk hate that name soooooo much... Like it was the poor guy's choice to get hurt like that SMH!!!!!!!!

    • @b_ray2942
      @b_ray2942 3 года назад

      Bill Walton?.......And besides skip who has a top 10 15 r 20 with him in their?

    • @b_ray2942
      @b_ray2942 3 года назад +2

      Bill Walton???

    • @nicholasmorris7784
      @nicholasmorris7784 3 года назад +4

      "OH stop it, you have no idea what you're talking about"😂

  • @benjaminkrake4211
    @benjaminkrake4211 3 года назад +193

    Skip: “Steph isn’t good enough because he doesn’t have a finals MVP”
    Also Skip: “JaMeS hArDeN iS bEtTeR”

    • @NoMask23
      @NoMask23 3 года назад +16

      I don’t even listen to skip no more after what he said when the clippers lost he just be talking nonsense

    • @doop408
      @doop408 3 года назад +3

      That did it for me 😂

    • @Chessbox09
      @Chessbox09 3 года назад +13

      I don’t get the fascination with Harden, never will.

    • @mikecrip
      @mikecrip 3 года назад +9

      This man said 40% from 3 is horrible 😂😂😂😂

    • @benjaminkrake4211
      @benjaminkrake4211 3 года назад +7

      @@Chessbox09 The dude is nuts, but according to Skip's logic, the man doesn't even have a chip not to even mention a finals MVP. Skip is just talking out of both sides of his mouth. Steph's accolades dwarf Harden's, regardless of how good you think Harden is.

  • @jamesgarolds8922
    @jamesgarolds8922 2 года назад +20

    And a little bit over a year later look where we are at now 4 titles 2 Mvps Greatest shooter of all time and now a finals Mvp 🙆🙆

  • @asaplodog6923
    @asaplodog6923 3 года назад +483

    This man really said Bill Walton over Steph Curry ya I’m never taking anything Skip says serious ever again 😂 😂 😂

    • @ZelRel
      @ZelRel 3 года назад +2

      😭

    • @Computerdude87
      @Computerdude87 3 года назад +23

      Did anyone ever really took him seriously? He’s contributed nothing to sports media with the notable exception of trolling. Makes a living from making sensationalist claims and hating on LeBron

    • @OneAndOnlyRoRo
      @OneAndOnlyRoRo 3 года назад +3

      Hes been trolling for a long time

    • @ebenezerindi1766
      @ebenezerindi1766 3 года назад +5

      I mean the only way to enjoy Skip is by not taking him seriously. At least that's what I did.

    • @solfleur
      @solfleur 3 года назад +2

      I recommend watchig Bill Walton - Greatest Peaks by Thinking Basketlball

  • @thadawg6169
    @thadawg6169 3 года назад +104

    How skip gone say Steph need a finals mvp just to get into the top 20, but then proceeds to say James harden is a top 20 with no finals and only 1 regular season mvp

    • @Phat-rj3jo
      @Phat-rj3jo 3 года назад +18

      Skip diss Steph cuz he has no FMVP, but then have Karl Malone and Harden in top 20, they don’t even have a ring.

    • @miketaylor1824
      @miketaylor1824 3 года назад +8

      Cause he is an idiot.

    • @lewisjones3345
      @lewisjones3345 3 года назад +10

      Harden got beat by Steph so many times he changed coasts!

    • @TriquetraDs
      @TriquetraDs 3 года назад +1

      @@lewisjones3345 dude the way skip explained it may be wrong but Harden still is the better player.

    • @nickv3740
      @nickv3740 3 года назад

      Skip is a clown, straw man and a absolute hypocrite when it comes to critiquing Steph Curry and even LeBron. He’s nothing more than that.

  • @meboxeo2076
    @meboxeo2076 3 года назад +281

    “i don’t have him in my top 20”
    shannon as the voice of reason
    “WHAT⁉️⁉️⁉️”
    😭😭💀💀

    • @chalnervassor9430
      @chalnervassor9430 3 года назад +5

      he hating bc he know if he gives curry props he gives lebron props

    • @goatstatusj5112
      @goatstatusj5112 3 года назад +5

      @@chalnervassor9430 trust me he is not hating. He is just trolling same goes to Stephen a and ESPN. These type of stuff get ratings which is funny

    • @chalnervassor9430
      @chalnervassor9430 3 года назад +2

      @@goatstatusj5112 u right

  • @lewisjones3345
    @lewisjones3345 2 года назад +4

    James Harden IS NOT better than Steph Curry! That is flat out disrespectful and dumb from Skip!

  • @FadedWill_97
    @FadedWill_97 3 года назад +210

    Already know skip gonna bring up 3-1 and use it to devalue Steph's entire career of achievements.

    • @spideysg1163
      @spideysg1163 3 года назад +42

      What’s ironic is that he’s hating on Curry for blowing a 3-1 lead yet he doesn’t trash Kawhi blowing a 3-1 lead

    • @FadedWill_97
      @FadedWill_97 3 года назад +35

      @@spideysg1163 what's even more weird is the fact that he talks about "Steph not showing up in big moments" and then proceeds to put JAMES HARDEN OF ALL PEOPLE in the front of him like ?????

    • @GIO77ification
      @GIO77ification 3 года назад +1

      Yea same guy to forget any Play off series MJ did win the chip.

    • @Terror832
      @Terror832 3 года назад +9

      Kobe blew a 3-1 lead

    • @reactking7093
      @reactking7093 3 года назад

      Steph has always played worse in the post season honestly. Not knocking his legacy though.

  • @yslxo_
    @yslxo_ 3 года назад +293

    This guy said Curry has underperformed in a handful of final games yet has Harden who’s lost to a Warriors side w/o Curry, a Warriors side w/o KD and a Spurs side w/o Kawhi over him 😂😂

    • @tking1348
      @tking1348 3 года назад +28

      CRAZY lol.... harden has barely sniffed a finals court

    • @daevonthesavage7483
      @daevonthesavage7483 3 года назад +34

      I’m still trying to find a finals series where Steph underperformed WITHOUT getting hoed by refs....🧐🧐

    • @510Sweets
      @510Sweets 3 года назад +9

      @@daevonthesavage7483 or injuries

    • @Lavont4848
      @Lavont4848 3 года назад +5

      Not to mention bro only touched the finals from the bench and UNDERPERFORMED from the BENCH

    • @tking1348
      @tking1348 3 года назад

      @CoolTrey Reacts wasn’t even a leader. He was coming off the bench too

  • @badbunny2107
    @badbunny2107 3 года назад +161

    He needs another regular season MVP
    The man is the only Unanimous MVP in the history of the game
    Put some respect on his name

    • @lightsidemaster8004
      @lightsidemaster8004 3 года назад +12

      He needs another one but Guys like Dame and Kyrie don’t even have 1 he has 2 Back to back it just shows the bar is set so high for curry it’s getting ridiculous now this man has nothing else to prove

    • @badbunny2107
      @badbunny2107 3 года назад +2

      @@lightsidemaster8004 facts even durant just have one they just praise him cause of the finals mvps

    • @willychipao2780
      @willychipao2780 3 года назад +6

      Shaq would have had one too if one out of the 150 wasn’t a shaq hater 💀

    • @emmanueltafari8809
      @emmanueltafari8809 3 года назад +8

      @@willychipao2780 lebron too

    • @MindsetMastery-j1u
      @MindsetMastery-j1u 3 года назад +6

      No, what he needs is a Finals MVP.

  • @ryannovotney1720
    @ryannovotney1720 10 месяцев назад +4

    Bill Walton had 13 games in his entire career with 30+ points , curry has 284.

    • @Jcon4002
      @Jcon4002 10 месяцев назад +1

      Bill Walton could've been top 30 all time but injuries ruined that man he was Nikola Jokic before Jokic

  • @3perry356
    @3perry356 3 года назад +1577

    its still mindblowing that iggy won fmvp for "holding" lebron to 36, 13, 9 😂

    • @Rex-mj1qb
      @Rex-mj1qb 3 года назад +142

      Imagine getting a finals mvp for “holding” someone in the goat argument to their greatest finals ever lol

    • @testing_something
      @testing_something 3 года назад +142

      Iggy didn't lock him up/shut him down or anything, but iggy did force lebron to take tough shots a fair amount of times, hints to why he shot 39% from the field.

    • @moe_c6316
      @moe_c6316 3 года назад +74

      @@testing_something exactly, people see the numbers put didn’t watch him brickin midrange jumpers left and right

    • @bklyngoonnewyork9620
      @bklyngoonnewyork9620 3 года назад +4

      as he was voted MVP of the NBA

    • @bklyngoonnewyork9620
      @bklyngoonnewyork9620 3 года назад +51

      The same way Marc Gasol won defensive player of the year over Lebron James while MARC GASOL was only 3rd team all-defense that year and LEBRON JAMES was first team all-defense the same year

  • @DAKIDK
    @DAKIDK 3 года назад +139

    “Bill Walton”
    *Shannon: “NOOOOOOOO!!!!”

  • @paradisedream1901
    @paradisedream1901 3 года назад +94

    Skip: I don’t have Steph in my top 20 because he hasn’t shown up in the big moments in the post season.
    Also Skip: *Puts James Harden no.19*

    • @leslieloudermilk3876
      @leslieloudermilk3876 3 года назад +8

      Skip just be talking lol

    • @andresoljah
      @andresoljah 3 года назад +14

      And don't forget he put Carl Malone ahead of Steph as well. Blatant hypocrisy.
      P.s. Mentioned how Steph was "Bad" for shooting 36% from 3 point range in a game 7 finals match.... when Harden went 1-20 from 3 point range in a game 7

    • @jamalwalker04
      @jamalwalker04 3 года назад

      @@andresoljah well Karl might be ahead of Steph if he wasn't for Jordan he has 2 rings

    • @andresoljah
      @andresoljah 3 года назад +2

      @@jamalwalker04 If it weren't for Lebron, Curry would have 4 so I don't see your point.

    • @jamalwalker04
      @jamalwalker04 3 года назад

      @@andresoljah I mean in a sense of being the best player Karl would have 2 while being best and so would curry they would be somewhat equal in that regard

  • @Adam-fb5nt
    @Adam-fb5nt 3 года назад +23

    Lots of great players shooting percentages go way down on the Finals. For instance, kobe was usually around 40%. It's like an entirely different sport the way it is called with players playing very physical and refs holding back. Steph still a big factor in every championship because teams have to worry about him so much and he tires out defenders.

    • @futbol4981
      @futbol4981 2 года назад +2

      Kobe is just inefficient in general

    • @MrBubblecake
      @MrBubblecake Год назад

      You just used the player who has more missed shots (bricks) than any other player in NBA history to justify horrible shooting in the playoffs. You’re biased, pathetic and delusional.

  • @bigflanks294
    @bigflanks294 3 года назад +326

    Shannon : “skip he only dominated the league for two years!”
    Skip : “well I haven’t seen that from steph”
    Ummm what

    • @00mike91
      @00mike91 3 года назад +27

      Fr right????? Skip is a 🤡, but we all know it’s for them tv ratings lol

    • @dreadxplayzs7849
      @dreadxplayzs7849 3 года назад

      He's right,Steph never lead the team in scoring on a regular basis in important games which is why he got KD cuz Steph's not that guy.

    • @jarvisbutler8254
      @jarvisbutler8254 2 года назад

      in all fairness in the years steph won back to back mvps he kinda choakednin the finals

    • @darrellmitchell5400
      @darrellmitchell5400 2 года назад

      I don't think Steph ever dominated the league!!!

    • @felipecouto1102
      @felipecouto1102 2 года назад +2

      @@jarvisbutler8254 yeah, no
      he actually upped his scoring numbers from the regular in 2015, and in 2016 he played injuried
      People need to stop saying things just for saying lmao

  • @troublefollows9986
    @troublefollows9986 3 года назад +103

    If skip don't like you...... he'll build a time machine just to find a reason to hate ...... traveling to past or future for evidence.

    • @Abbad1579
      @Abbad1579 3 года назад +1

      Fr

    • @darrickeaster
      @darrickeaster 3 года назад

      Yep... Skip will bring that one game from Steph’s high school sophomore year when he went for like 3 of 10 from free throw line.,.wtf? Just a sad sad hater you are skip!

    • @tevincoley7970
      @tevincoley7970 3 года назад

      Never know skip would hate a man more than LeBron

  • @lordneilyt8976
    @lordneilyt8976 3 года назад +97

    Legends have it that Skip smoked about 30 blunts this morning before the show as he stated that Harden is top 20 and Steph is not

    • @stopcampin4097
      @stopcampin4097 3 года назад +1

      Steph isn’t better than any of the 10 MAYBE 15

    • @KG-jw4jg
      @KG-jw4jg 3 года назад +2

      @@stopcampin4097 that’s what Shannon said 😂 but u gotta realize that Steph is still in his prime

    • @stopcampin4097
      @stopcampin4097 3 года назад +1

      @@KG-jw4jg he’s not in the top 10 regardless until he gets a finals mvp till then he’s 15-20

    • @Conway_Twitty1984
      @Conway_Twitty1984 3 года назад +3

      @@stopcampin4097 yes he is dude. There are not 15 people that have ever walked this planet that are better at basketball.

    • @henrykikoyo2651
      @henrykikoyo2651 3 года назад +1

      @@Conway_Twitty1984 ummm they are tho? but i think u just worded it wrong

  • @RobertMichael
    @RobertMichael 2 года назад +5

    Hits different now that he has 4 rings and a FMVP

  • @savplayzx
    @savplayzx 3 года назад +119

    The way Shannon said no after skip said bill walton 💀💀

    • @StoriesandEdits
      @StoriesandEdits 3 года назад +11

      I mean that's the way you react for such a bad take

  • @Nocing
    @Nocing 3 года назад +186

    Unc shay 0:50 “he stopped Lebron” *Looks around smiles and says* “he just averaged 36”🤣🤣 he funny asl That 4/20 pack hittin

    • @KanekiNightmares
      @KanekiNightmares 3 года назад +8

      Yeah steph was robbed for fmvp by voters

    • @Harryberkowtz
      @Harryberkowtz 3 года назад +2

      @TheVolourn nah lmao you high

    • @justmattd4745
      @justmattd4745 3 года назад +1

      @@Harryberkowtz so iggy played better than Lebron that series you’re saying?

    • @luvuyojim526
      @luvuyojim526 3 года назад

      @@justmattd4745 if only that notion of a winning team guarantees a winner of FMVP would change. Bron had insane numbers... still it should've went to Steph

    • @luvuyojim526
      @luvuyojim526 3 года назад

      @CUBAthaGOAT okay thanks. After him was there any other player(s) to achieve the same feat

  • @treysavage4570
    @treysavage4570 3 года назад +266

    Steph gott average 50, sweep the playoffs, win finals and regular season mvp and lead the league in every stat category for skip to give him top 20 player

    • @jeroenwapenaar6428
      @jeroenwapenaar6428 3 года назад +1

      Still not better than Manu ;)

    • @relly9877
      @relly9877 3 года назад +4

      @Lambo Love didn't Steph just have a game with 6 steals??

    • @antoniojohnson104
      @antoniojohnson104 3 года назад +1

      @@relly9877 I bet he feels like an idiot now

    • @ms.frizzle137
      @ms.frizzle137 3 года назад +3

      @Lambo Love he has the best defensive rating of all point guards

    • @Abbad1579
      @Abbad1579 3 года назад +1

      @Lambo Love I guess Magic isn’t top 20.

  • @ValWillKay
    @ValWillKay 3 года назад +15

    2:21 Skip prepares himself to speak blasphemy. He's just raising headlines and creating controversy and he knows it :p

  • @MooseHuncho
    @MooseHuncho 3 года назад +443

    When he said bill walton, I started dying 😂

    • @darrynthompson5961
      @darrynthompson5961 3 года назад +7

      Bruh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @ronaldtarvin2974
      @ronaldtarvin2974 3 года назад +47

      Shannon’s “nooooooooOOOOO” was everyone’s reaction hearing that nonsense 😂

    • @yvonnewillis1193
      @yvonnewillis1193 3 года назад +1

      Facts

    • @r1ow202
      @r1ow202 3 года назад +1

      Fr

    • @brax0210
      @brax0210 3 года назад +2

      I think Bill Walton maybe had one really good season

  • @sorryidgaf.6043
    @sorryidgaf.6043 3 года назад +152

    7:00
    Skip: “And you shoot that kind of Sh-“
    “Drip” almost forgot he was on television 😂🤣

  • @AlfBsure
    @AlfBsure 3 года назад +250

    “....He stopped LeBron; LeBron just averaged 36 [points], 13 [rebounds] & 9 [assist].”

    • @Yoaneemmanuel
      @Yoaneemmanuel 3 года назад +25

      On like 39% shooting

    • @BLUE-wg8lp
      @BLUE-wg8lp 3 года назад +40

      @@Yoaneemmanuel with Delly being the 2nd best player on the floor ,I would say thats pretty good.

    • @Yoaneemmanuel
      @Yoaneemmanuel 3 года назад +10

      @@BLUE-wg8lp oh it is, I’m not trynna hate 😂 , just pointing it out

    • @DoubleONo7
      @DoubleONo7 3 года назад +3

      @@BLUE-wg8lp i might be confused but i thought in 2015 when iggy got mvp, that lebron had kyrie and kevin love?

    • @Yoaneemmanuel
      @Yoaneemmanuel 3 года назад +27

      @@DoubleONo7 nah they were injured

  • @johnclark5879
    @johnclark5879 3 года назад +19

    Lol I like how skip say "he's had a much better team than James....."
    I wanna hear him say that in the GOAT conversation 👀

    • @robdawson5835
      @robdawson5835 3 года назад

      Skip keeps it 💯

    • @Bungycb
      @Bungycb 3 года назад +2

      @@robdawson5835 no he’s an idlot

    • @FranciscoSilva-xk4hg
      @FranciscoSilva-xk4hg 3 года назад

      He said most of the times.... Lebron has had better teams than Michael Jordan too

    • @NGBjman
      @NGBjman 2 года назад +1

      @@FranciscoSilva-xk4hg Jordan team has been favored in all 6 of his NBA finals. lebron has been favored in 3 of his 10 NBA finals

  • @kingruee7469
    @kingruee7469 3 года назад +150

    Nah Skip fell on his head this morning 😫

    • @daevonthesavage7483
      @daevonthesavage7483 3 года назад +3

      He got in Shannon stash🤣🤣🤣

    • @evansbashuru1660
      @evansbashuru1660 3 года назад +2

      It’s the 4/20 hitting differently

    • @Sadoodi
      @Sadoodi 3 года назад +3

      nah he was dropped on his head as a baby. This has been going on for a while

    • @buschg7106
      @buschg7106 3 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @EGarrett01
    @EGarrett01 3 года назад +374

    Steph won unanimous league MVP, led a team to 73-wins, and made over 400 threes in a single season. No other player has done any of those. Ever. He also has 3 championships. Of course he's on the list.

    • @JPB242hgc2
      @JPB242hgc2 3 года назад +10

      Hey wise guy did that 73 win team win the chip being up 3-1. Steph played like a bum most of that series

    • @comparehealthcare
      @comparehealthcare 3 года назад +25

      @@JPB242hgc2 true, but it was due to the grueling OKC series he had to go through and was hobbling while Lebron coasted in a vaginal eastern conf and got totally lucky when stephs behind the back passes went out of bounds, that and Kyrie lighting it up for 40 point games and JR Smith shooting 50 percent from 3, and Kevin love / Tristan Thompson pulling down monster double doubles. Lebron got a cheap title like usual.

    • @rudy1999
      @rudy1999 3 года назад

      @@comparehealthcare Yep, Lebron is overrated just like Steph =]]

    • @comparehealthcare
      @comparehealthcare 3 года назад

      @@rudy1999 Yep I agree, Steph has done more with less because Draymond aint no all star. Probably no one has revolutionized the game like Steph in NBA history. Thats not saying he's the GOAT, but hes definitely top ten and definitely ahead of Lebron, the turnover king his only record.

    • @comparehealthcare
      @comparehealthcare 3 года назад +3

      And Steph didn't need KD to win he had alrady done it, KD just made it a sweep against Lebron , without KD Steph still wins in 5 or 6 games as long as he dont do those silly behind the back passes, which he learned after failing in 2016 and just pissing it away and handing Lebron a cheap title. And of course 40 points Kyrie gets no credit for that win either lol. or double double Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson. or JR Smith shooting 50 percent from three in that Finals.

  • @Rex-mj1qb
    @Rex-mj1qb 3 года назад +471

    Before watching this, curry wasn’t in my top 20. After listening to skip argue against it, he’s in my top 15. That’s how bad skip is at arguing.
    edit: I also have to give credit to Shannon for making such a convincing argument.

    • @Jcon4002
      @Jcon4002 3 года назад +39

      I'm not a warriors or curry fan but I think curry is 11th all time ,if he can win 1 more ring and a finals mvp I will put him top 10

    • @emelem6858
      @emelem6858 3 года назад +53

      you're as stupid as him for thinking he wasnt top 20 in the first place

    • @brianbrianz6755
      @brianbrianz6755 3 года назад +2

      Panda, nobody cares man

    • @Rex-mj1qb
      @Rex-mj1qb 3 года назад +15

      @@emelem6858 lol I mean I never really realized the numbers before. Shannon really had a great argument and changed my mind. Sorry if having an opinion offended u.

    • @Rex-mj1qb
      @Rex-mj1qb 3 года назад

      @@brianbrianz6755 is it so hard to scroll down and not commenting?