@@emekaamerican863 and I think that’s so weird cuz basketball is a team game lol the NBA don’t give out 1 on 1 contracts … Steph effects winning more than KD does making him the better player
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -- There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements -- Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements -- At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements
This clown has Bron at 1. That alone disqualifies the list. 🤣🤣 Bron played with 5, Top 75 players ever compared to MJs 2, 5 seasons with 2 all star teammates compared to MJs 1, 21 top 5 draft pick teammates compared to 1 for MJ, losing finals record, 2011 biggest finals choke job in history with the super heat and finals MVP/ top 3 SG in history in Wade, no 3peats, no DPOY, way too little scoring titles, weaker accolades, less accomplishments in 20 year NBA span so far lol
@@FreedomFighter2112 I personally wouldn’t include scoring titles as one of the categories. That’s a statistical accolade that doesn’t mean much. You’d have to also include leading in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks (Duncan and Magic aren’t really scorers). So I’d do those first 5 because that’s what really matters for all-time greats. Maybe throw in DPOY.
@@FreedomFighter2112 this is the most stupidest ignorant things I have heard in a while According to ur dumb logic John havlicek,bob cousy,bob petitt,scottie pipin, Kevin garnet,Karl malone,Jerry west are all better than Steph curry According to ur logic, Dennis johnson(11) gary payton(12),chris paul(11) will be much much better than Dwayne wade(7) or dirk nowitzki(6) So U think nba titles, mvp and all nba first team, all defensive first team are all equivalent Bro they r miles difference it is much difficult to win titles mvp than first all nba team There is only one titles and mvp in a year but there is five nba first team and five defensive team It is ridiculous to put them in the same bracket I wonder where do u get these idea in ur peanut size brain
Steph beat the SAME defence that swept KD... And he did it averaging 30. Steph has 2rings WITHOUT the same KD that he "NeEdEd so MuCh." Steph beat KD. (GSW vs OKC). It's impossible to make this an intelligent debate.
What I feel like people be forgetting is the fact that curry put a lot of pressure on the defense to guard him and allowed kd do his iso ball. The best off ball offensive player of all time
That should also be another benefit to Currys case. That he is able to take a secondary role if necessary, even change his role a bit. No ego, just wants to win.
Agree, the last time i saw one are double teamed and guarded heavily even before crossing half court and still manage to score and put pressure. While the other one loses 1st round to the defense by the Celtics, let me remind you its the same Celtics team that Curry beat to earn His FMVP
Yes ppl fasho forgot about that but some ppl brought it out like Shannon sharpe. Without steph on the floor the team didn’t score well that included kd. When he’s on the floor everyone scores even if he’s not
I agree but maybe our reasons are different just because I think there's 2. Maybe yours is KD and Wiggins needed the Warriors to win a championship in KDs case I think maybe 1 of the 2 they won maybe true but I know Curry was great against the Celtics, Wiggins may not be the MVP but he was very valuable
KD got swept by the same team Curry beat in the finals. Curry beat KD in the western finals. It’s clear to see who’s the winner. Idk even know why anyone would care what tmac would says about basketball.
@@westbronco9066 no bs, I just don’t think the warriors team would beat that Cleveland team, draymond not as good, klay not as good iggy not as good, no s Livingston or barbosa and I think lebron Kyrie and love are clearly an upgrade opposed to what Boston showed
Many retired players and analysts don’t know how important Steph’s gravity and unselfishness is.. Steph’s mindset is to win all means necessary.. that’s either scoring more or being just the gravity.
steph beat kd when they both had healthy teams in 2016, although the media seems to forget that. kd got swept with a healthy kyrie on his team this year. steph averaged 31 in the finals and now has a fmvp. no way is kd above steph
@@kasimk4 well can make same statement with Cavs in 2015 finals when Kyrie and Love hurt all series. Curry wasn’t 100% in 2016 finals but he still played all 7 games. GSW was closer to being healthy in 2016 finals than Cavs were in 2015 finals
Even if you take away Steph's first ring, he still has more rings without KD than KD does without him. Put some respect on Steph's name. He's absolutely top 10.
@@kelvinwilkes1050 that's the only thing people said was "missing" from his resume and keeping him out of the top 10. Now he has one and he's STILL not top 10?? Wtf smh lol
There's no way you can have Durant over Curry, impossible argument to make as it stands. More Chips, more MVPs and by the numbers, should be even on FMVPs aswell. Perhaps that will change, but as it stands, Curry will go down as a better player.
Only problem is that when they played together one differed to the other one accepted and knew the other player was better. Steph could not beat Bron without KD!
@@Balil_Wrld Steph was 1 game away to beat Bron with Harrison Barnes putting up 9 points on 31% shooting lol.. He didn't need KD, he needed a solid wing.
@@Balil_Wrld I guarantee you they would've destroyed the Cavs if they did it again the following year without KD and without injuries and suspensions from either team.
@@Balil_Wrld Except he already did without KD.... he also BEAT KD after spotting him a 3-1 lead. Only reason why he "deferred" to KD was because all the defense was getting pulled towards Steph, allowing KD to go 1 on 1. Now go sit your ignorant self down and learn some ball.
Can't say that when a player wins a Fmvp, and even those rewards aren't the most accurate. It is easy to win a ring when you're warming the bench, but the pressure gets higher when you're required to play well to win.
Curry won with Harrison Barnes at SF, with KD at SF, and with Wiggins at Small Foward. You couldve put PJ Tucker at SF in 2017 and 2018 and Curry and the Warriors would have still won those rings. Curry never needed Durant it was a luxury and Wardell Stephen Curry gifted KD those 2 rings.
They weren’t winning 100 percent in 2017 and 2018 with PJ tucker being replaced with KD. They weren’t beating the 2017 cavs and in 2018 they would have lost to Houston. KD was an integral part of those team, stop discrediting him. He was the best player on those warriors. He isn’t the same guy anymore after the Achilles injury, he is still good but not prime kd.
@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392 not really. Shaq himself said that KD looked as good as he did, cause Curry distracted the defenders due to his unlimited range. That's why KD best performance has been at GSW. This is also why Wiggins who was nowhere near the top level performs second best in playoffs as well. People who have never played basketball professionally at the top level only look at the stats, it's only the top players who realise the impact the greatest 3p shooter ever has on the psyche of the opponents defenders. There are literally videos of celts double marking Curry while KD is doing a dunk. That matters. Don't mistake me. KD is very likely top 15 level. But some people do overrate him above Curry and that's just wrong. Even in 2018 finals Steph was averaging better than KD, and that's not including how much lanes he opens by distracting defenders off KD & the rest. Stephs shooting ability requires so much defensive resources, that it ends up elevating the play of his teammates. It may be KD or it can be Wiggins, same story. They perform better cause of Steph, and not just a little, by a lot. After all there is a reason why GSW with Curry remains the ruling dynasty, before with and after KD. KD's achievements without Steph just prove that. Like it or not, it was KD who needed Steph not otherwise.
@Blackest Vex skip believes what he says. I’m not giving you the “they are paid to be objective” cop out. Yes some things he may say he may just spew them but the man’s wife says the same thing about him as well as those that know him personally. Also I didn’t say they moved the goal post here. I was speaking generally. But in that being said. It’s something that we hear them especially skip “generally” do. It’s not about being sensitive it’s about making sense. The objectivity has to have a base of sense otherwise regulars would be hosting the show
KD is as skilled as it gets but when talking about all time ranking, skills alone do not cut it. Hence we have to take into account accomplishments (both individual and team). And at this point, right now, Steph is at least equally as skilled as KD, and at the same time he is much more accomplished than KD. As such, objectively speaking, Steph is without a doubt ahead of KD in all time rankings.
@@xavierb9061 again, the better player is not only a matter of skill. Curry is a better leader, makes those around him better much more than KD, more accomplished than KD and as skilled (if not more) than KD. In fact, if KD and Steph were the same height, Steph would be the better player no doubt.
@@elvarisanchez7089 better leader no, circumstance ..durant went to finals owner got rid of harden save money. Kyrie refuse take a needle.. curry jus more lucky..he coulda been drafted to timbrwolves they picked a pg..horrible organization instead sent best organization,.durant went there won fmvps
I just lost a whole lot of respect for Tracy McGrady! Give Steph his dues! Maybe KD is a bit better player and scorer than Steph, but Curry is the better winner and leader by far!
TMac is hurting my feelings so bad. I expect it from Wileys biased self, but not TMac. They are really still saying Steph needs KD to be a champion. You watched this man Steph do it again and they are still delusional.
Nba's top 13 is so close that anyone can interchange other.. that's exactly what's happening.. one put kd at top13, curry at 10.. another kd at top 10,curry at top13.. it's just individual perspective
Just good ol fashion hating. They well continue to raise the bar and move the goal post, but Steph will continue to rise above it. Keep hating my friends...
I can’t lie as a rockets fan hearing T-Mac talk more about basketball I understand why he never got pass the second round his basketball skill is off the charts but basketball knowledge is lacking tremendously
He’s between 8-10 already. In fact, the only players safe on the list are MJ, Lebron, Magic, and Kareem. Everyone else is at risk of getting passed by Steph during the next few seasons. (1) He’s undeniably the greatest shooter ever. He’s so absurdly good at shooting that, like Acho said, he is as dominant of a player as Shaq was (at least on offense). He’s a freak shooter in the way Giannis is a freak athlete in the way Magic had a freakish basketball IQ; it dictates the entire game. (2) He revolutionized the game ON THE COURT more than anyone in probably a half century. MJ and Lebron did more off the court, but they simply didn’t change the way the game was played on the court at the level Steph has. (3) Unanimous MVP; 2 total MVPs. (4) 4 rings. He was the leader for all 4 of them, he played the best on his team in at least 2 of them.
i agree with you on the 2 finals but the other two are not debatable that KD played better, so it’s not “atleast 2” because that implies that there’s more than 2
I agree he's better than Durant at this point but how is he over anyone else after Durant? MJ changed the game just as much as he did ! No team thought a gaurd would make a difference in a center driven Era ! I want to be like mike was no bs everyone emulated him in some degree afterwards. that's my first point . Even with another ring I don't see how you put him above kobe unless he puts in more work than just another ring . Kobe took more difficult deep mid range shots than anyone ever . First gaurd to really push distance out like that . I'm not saying curry ain't good but it's Mount Rushmore for a reason . To be fair kobe was too low on the second list and I do think curry is at 10 rn . I'm giving him 10 bc I know he has time left but I believe he stays at 10 but at best 9 . Which is honestly all people can ask for bc it's a tough list .
Curry surpassed KD in game 4 of the finals. Warriors was getting dismissed by everyone after game 3. And the fact that KD couldn't even win one game against the Celtics says it all.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -- There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements -- Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements -- At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements
The sport of basketball was created with the soul purpose of winning is to throw the ball and make it in the hoop and Steph is the greatest to do that…but he ain’t top 10 all time? Lol
@@ChenoodleSoup I get your point, all time great at making 3s but he ain't the greatest at overall scoring, look at all time leaders in points per game/total points.
Even Ty Lue who was coaching the Cavs said that the primary focus was to contain Steph over KD in those series. Durant will never be as efficient in the playoffs as he was playing with Steph and Klay because he'll never get that much single coverage ever again.
Thank you!! "Steph was a bad guy. He was a bad man. So we had to double team him every time he touched the ball, and he still averaged 27! ... he is the most dangerous player in the league." Just watch the series. Steph is doubled and tripled.
“KD went there and helped Steph get 2” Uhhhh Magic and Kareem are both top 5 players all time and did it TOGETHER too. Why does a super teammate hurt Steph but not anyone on showtime?
Also Kobe and Shaq played together. If they are willing to over look for Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq and Durant, why are they judging Steph for winning 2 with KD. Can't stand this no name host
i love Tmac but former players are to biased on KD . Steph has beat KD , KD never beat him Steph won without KD never did . Why does Steph get heat for the getting KD ,like yall know KD had to leave after he lost to them
Steph finally won without kd. Warriors wouldn’t have won their first if it weren’t for injuries. They got embarrassed by Lebron. Cried and begged Durant for their next two. Even this one the got lucky with ja missing.
KD over Kobe!!! Ain’t no way!!! Kobe has far more accolades earned by comparison. Not even close. KD to some has more talent individually but Kobe worked harder, had way better intangibles & that killer/alpha mentality.
I finally get Why KD is so loved by media and more so former players who didn't win a titles or those who won titles as bus riders instead of bus drivers... kD is their wet dream, the dude joined a 73-9 team that had a 3-1 lead over LeBron and got called the best player while facing little to no defense, KD the ultimate bus rider to be mistaken as a bus driver in the history of the sport
Well, boys and girls...b-ball is more than rings and mvp's. Rookie KD scored over 20ppg and it took Stephen 4 years to get over 20. Game IS played on the other end too. I got no skinn this game if you think Steph is better or KD....nice.
I think the reason is another one. KD just has their old-school style, while Steph has changed the way the game is played and has shortened many of those guys' careers. They are salty because a 6ft2 guy is colossally better than them in a big man's game.
Why do they keep saying Golden State is a superteam? They were drafted and we're assembled organically. Steph, Klay and Dray became All-stars because they were winning together.
Here's a simple take, when Steph and KD played together, the whole NBA feared Steph more over him. That's why the defense always gravitating over him so that KD can flourish more than any other teams he played with.
No boston tripple team Durant all games and fouled him and the referee never call foul. They wasn’t triple teaming curry that way because is team mates was backing him up.warrior just have a better team and a better coach.
Yes you're right, because he's the no. 1 scoring option for the nets. It doesn't really take away from KD he is still hard to guard. All I'm saying is when they played together, they focus more on Steph than him. Also, Steph is the leader on that team and not KD.
@@redmanjohnson4616 And they never Succeeded either lol. Steph averaged 28 6 5 while being the focal point of Cavs defense and Durant dominating the Iso's
Because Curry has always been more impactful. His shots are louder and it gets the rest of his team hyped. KD is a great player but he doesn’t create this gravity.
People who look for opportunities to undermine Kobe love to project his role in the first title run to all three. Also when evaluating 2000 Finals the same crowd loves to omit crucial facts such as Kobe playing 8 minutes in one of the games and leaving with an injury, missing a game completely, and that he essentially played injured for 3/4 games, in one of which he delivered a win while Shaq was fouled out. Kobe is top 2 for me. but thats just me.
Kobe in MVP Voting during the early shaq years: 1999-2000 he was 12th (as a 20 year old - unheard of in the NBA) 2000- 2001 he was 9th (at the age of 21 - unheard of in the NBA) 2001-2002 he was 5th (at the age of 22) 2002-2003 he was top 3 (ahead of Shaq) 2003-2004 he was 5th (ahead of Shaq) Also, arguably the best perimeter defender in the league during that period.
10 is pretty fair. I have him a few spots higher, but it's not hating or anything to have him at 10. There are a lot of legends that have played this game, and while Kobe has longevity and rings, his prime wasn't up there with some of the other top 10 players.
@@jsmooth4116 klay got hurt in game 6 where he had 30 by the 3rd quarter and then got hurt. They could of pulled those games off if he didn’t get hurt.
Steph doesn’t get enough credit for almost averaging a triple double first finals with KD. That one bad game where he dropped like 8 or 10 is what killed his MVP chances. People make it seem like KD was easily the best player for the Warriors, but it’s debatable
I love these selective criteria for validating an NBA championship. So LeBron's 4 rings are all 100, even though he left to go to Miami and join a top 5 and top 15 player, and then left when they got old to come back to Cleveland, but under the condition that he could team up with Kyrie and Love, and then he moves to LA and has to get AD in order to win a chip in the bubble. How many rings did MJ win without Pippen? Bottom line is that a top 10 list is all about personal preference, and Steph doesn't care what your list is as long as he keeps winning.
Steph does care. He's an NBA great, and all NBA greats care about their legacy. He wouldn't have reacted as emotionally as he did if he didn't care. He also wouldn't call himself the greatest shooter all time if he didn't care. Every other pantheon player had a fMVP, he's not stupid enough to think it doesn't matter to your legacy since you're judged by your peers.
From anyone who has a brain and isn’t a hater knows Bron and Jordan on the court in their prime was miles ahead of the next closets player. Defense and Offense are both important as well. People act like all you gotta do is score nowadays to be a top 5 player. For Curry I’d be happy he’s even close to top 10 players all time.. 0 and I mean 0 defensive accolades.
Did I really just see Kevin Durant over Kobe Bryant? “Best” and “greatest” are 2 different things. Rogers is arguably better than Brady… but he ain’t greater, that’s for sure.
100% ANYONE who puts KD over Kobe has brain damage. There is absolutely no reason any sane person would say KD is better/greater than Kobe, unless they measure “greatness” by who has more burner Twitter accounts.
Acho is on point! People gon' learn to put some respek on Chef Curry's name! Steph BEAT KD before he invited him to join him. Steph ALREADY had a ring. KD had ZERO. Now Steph has ANOTHER ring. KD has NOTHING without Curry. And great point... they wanna talk about LeBron not having Kyrie and Love, but they don't wanna talk about Steph losing Draymond! Acho thanks for talking some sense into theses dudes!
Steph losing draymond for what? A f cking game? How is that equivalent to missing kyrie and love for a series? Yet alone draymond coming back and being up 3-1. Gtfoh.
@@sportstalkonly1442 warriors were 4 points away from winning the chip with a draymond suspension steph injury iguodola injury and an Andrew bogut injury
@@ImTheBestNerd curry wasn't injured. Iggy wasn't injured. Draymond missed one game in which lebron dropped 41. He came back and lebron dropped 41 again. And bogut was and is a bum. Try again.
@@sportstalkonly1442 iggy was injured? Wym lol dawg 😂 did u watch the finals that year or you just got a foggy memory also bogut was one of the best defensive centers in the nba and was huge in protecting the paint kind of important when playing against lebron and kyrie lol they also added kd because of the cap space increase and curry being on a cheap contract it’s not like any team can add a max player whenever they want, they were gonna add him regardless
KD and the Warriors needed each other. People forget how hard the West was that the Warriors went through. And how big a rival the Rockets were to them around that time. So you can argue that the Warriors don't go back to back without KD. However you can also say that Steph has proven he can carry a team to a Championship both before KD and after KD. The same team that shut down KD and swept the Nets, and the slowed down Giannis and took away his efficiency when it mattered, had no answer for Curry who out up all time great numbers and efficiency against them. Acting like Steph still has to "prove" something anymore. Is just hate. Ya'll said he wouldn't get the same open looks without KD and Klay. He went and lead the NBA in scoring. Ya'll said he wouldn't ever win a championship after KD left? He did just that. Ya'll said he couldn't come up big when his team needed it the most in the Finals? He went and did that too. All the slights, Steph has personally disproven. They got nothing left. Which is why they sound like clowns.
Love Acho’s points here. He’s 100% correct. How have we gotten to the point that KD is now greater than Steph when everyone was trashing him originally for being the one to join him in order to win a championship?
Thats how KD "reverse engineer" his all-time greatness status. He won the rings first, and then his fanbase and media start to make it about KD more than the GS.
@Lamar Stewart Your argument is full of flaws. He needs to be all NBA 1st team, AND win the chip, AND be finals MVP all in the same year in order for him to be a top 10 player?? It’s not good enough that he’s accomplished all those things and more?? Does he also need to be the league MVP too that same year?? Some of the arguments people make to justify why they disrespect Curry is so insane 😂
I don’t get why some people don’t give Steph credit when is due, the guy literally revolutionize shooting, changed the game doing, has 4 ships several mvps come on man he’s the best shooter of all time even better than bird.
Every time I hear these old players talk like that, I remember Steph Curry saying "play the right way." That's something TMac never learned. It's a team effort, not an individual show.
Are you serous? Dr.J saved the ABA then saved the NBA. Bird and Magic took the NBA to another level. LeBron carried the pressure since he was 18. Man you need to watch basketball and put things in perspective.
This was Curry's season. Teams knew that he was GS only best player entire season and ALL opponents had to game plan on how to slow Curry down. Curry was still able to shine regardless. Let us be fair, Curry is a rare species and don't know what else he has to do to prove to these fools he belongs.
@@buckisz yea but that’s what you’d call a trivial solution. If all his teammates were trash, assuming, would curry be worse? Absolutely not. The opposite actually. This was also proved when Curry was going Ballistic every game in the covid season. He carried a team of “Steph and the rookies” to the play-ins.
You can just tell from this and a few other takes on other shows, people still can't process that Steph actually has two chips without Durant now, and they are slowly starting to realize that "DURANT HELPED HIM WIN 2!" counterpoint is becoming less potent. The one guy that said "Steph used Kevin as a trampoline to get into this conversation" , doesn't realize that same take can be used to counter his own list with Durant, if reversed (Since Durant is in HIS top 10, and doesn't have a single chip if we removed Steph from his legacy) and it really doesn't help that he lost to Steph in a pretty embarrassing way before he joined. T-mac comes off as a little biased, he could be seeing a lot of himself in Durant, so he probably doesn't want to put Steph over him because it would inherently imply Steph is greater than him as well. (Even though he obviously is) but y'know how competitive people are. Just a theory though with T Mac. I know some people will disagree and that's fine.
@@jrsmith1998 I used the word "Greater" Steph is greater than T-Mac. T-mac's career pales in comparison to Steph's, whether you think he's better or not is based on your opinion, which I'm not here to debate you on, I'm simply stating facts.
@@sevis770 right bro Steph is definitely better and t Mac wasn't no slouch this top 10 list is tough because most people are gonna base it off chips but who really can you take off besides Hakeem I agree with acho if curry wins again the whole top is shook up he may surpass LeBron
"You all have to stop holding Steph's greatest ability against him." If you want to put in KD, then you might as well put in Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving: they are all "skilled".
T-mac one of my favorite players, but recently hearing talk about these topics, him saying he should have gotten mvp just for carrying his bad team to the playoffs and now his 1v1 league and taking about how 1v1 is the purest form of ball to him. Kinda showing why he didn’t have much team success and why he looks at certain players differently.
Cracks me up watching people ignore Stephs greatness due to lack of finals MVP's. 2017 finals: 27 pts, 9 rebs, 8 assists. 2018 finals: 27.5 pts/6.8 assist, 6 rebounds. Those are world class finals performances, all time great stuff, and because he didn't win the MVP, people equate that with choking or not bringing it in the finals. Ridiculous, his numbers were far better, by a mile, than many winners of the finals MVP award in the past. He's cemented as a finals legend. You can look at his rings and his numbers. He's in a microscopic group of amazing performers with that many rings.
Tmac was so amazing, hard to believe that he never even won a playoff series. Granted he didn’t have the best teams but you would’ve thought he could have won a playoff series by himself.
@@xavierb9061 Luck or no luck is kinda 'what if' thing because the main point is... we don't know and it can't really measure. What we do know now, Steph has won another chip without him and fought against the team that beated him. That's the conclusion why Steph is better than KD at this point.
@@Saltyahole KD is a better rebounder and defender lol 😂 and KD better career average per game scorer and more efficient. Curry is only a better shooter and passer that’s it. KD is a great free throw shooter and one of best mid range scorers in nba history and a good or even borderline elite 3 point shooter not the best like curry though
it's impossible to see who's better between 2 players that are mvp calibers in the same team. however, we can see who's better between the two when they're matched up against each other on different teams. and last time they were against each other in the playoffs, curry showed who was the better player.
Yeah McGrady and Wiley are wrong. The back this Kevin Durant has not won a championship without curry. McGrady talking about Toronto but ignores the fact that to be able to have Kevin Durant on the team you had to sacrifice depth. Without having depth when you lose Kevin Durant and Thompson you didn’t have any besides the stars and that was only curry and green and they took it six games and could’ve won game six if Thompson does not tear his ACL. Curry was definitely the front runner if they would have won in 2019 let’s stop it. In 17 and 18 The defensive attention when they won the championships went to curry . They thought curry was the best player the Cavaliers coach has said as such since then I mean of course Kevin Durant would look Like the best player if he’s being single covered and wide open because they’re putting so much attention on Curry that’s not really a hard thing to figure out but so many people get wrong even former players. The fact is they had comparable stats even if Kevin Durant have slightly better stats in 17 and 18 but of course he should he was wide freaking open most of the time. I mean I’m just trying to figure it out . Curry beat Kevin Durant when they had comparable teams are he was the best player when they were on the same team and he doesn’t have a title outside of Curry but Curry‘s been to three finals and one two of them without him. If we are going to blast curry About 2016 I guess LeBron doesn’t get the excuse in 2015. We can’t have it both ways the Warriors the second half of those finals were injured. So if we are gonna talk like injuries what about Vocic games for he towards ACL he was the best rim defender and after that LeBron got what he wanted, Iggy had a bad back that Second half of the finals couldn’t guard LeBron, and Curry had a sprained MCL. Since no one wants to touch or disrupt that 2016 finals then I guess we need to have a conversation about giving credit to 2015. I have never seen one player get so much credit for being a bandwagon and bus rider. I love how we say curry recruited him when it was Draymond who wanted him and Kevin Durant wanted to go there for the easy championships. It’s not her he wanted him but Durant didn’t want to go it’s both Durrant wanted to go there and curry wasn’t gonna say no to such a great player. I find it funny that McGrady says it’s easy to win a championship in this era with another superstar but Kevin Durant had multiple superstars in the last couple years still no Championship. If it’s so easy how come Kevin Durant doesn’t have a title except with the Warriors because he’s played with Westbrook, harden ,kyrie , etc. in fact Kevin Durant has had probably the most talent he has played with of almost all time but yet he has no championship work he leads the team to a championship he had a very talented thunder team he couldn’t do it same thing with Brooklyn. It’s almost like he needed curry
@@cloudboy9431 OK if champions don’t make excuses and that means 2015 is not an Asterisk. My problem is if you say 2015 they didn’t prove it because Kevin lovin kyrie weren’t injured then you need to say that in 2016 the Warriors were injured and the championship does not fully count and if you’re not willing to do that for 2016 that you can’t say it in 2015
Something that Acho touched on, that I think should be in the conversation. All league MVPs are not the same. I think Unanimous MVPs should be ranked higher. We all know how the 2021/2022 MVP was a very close race. Jokic won Embid by a couple of votes. I think Steph having a Unanimous MVP should bring him up in the Top 10 All time. IMHO.
I think top 10 players should have defensive accolades. I understand we live in a time where offense is more flashy and fun, but all these top 10 players are known for being elite defenders (at the very least, very good).
@@LegitSav y’all forget steph led the league in steals in 2016. just bc he doesn’t have any All-NBA defensive selections does not mean he’s not a good defender, i actually think he does better than people give him credit for just bc his defense isn’t “elite”
People choose KD because they give so much weight to physical talent, size, speed, and not overall impact on the game. We´ll see over the next couple of years with the Nets if KD manages to be the leader of a championship team. Perhaps if Steph wins another one and KD continues to fail; perhaps Steph will receive more credit.
And its sad because it shouldnt get to that point, people should have realized that by now. So it has to take Steph winning 5 Rings compare to KD 2 for those dumb fans of KD to say that Steph was the greater player overall? Like how dumb could they get if that what it takes for them to see the truth.
bruhh, the media and analyst never agree or accepted curry , cuz this baby face assassin play b-ball when Bron era and KD era 🤦♂, plus this dude is 6'3"
Marcellus is absolutely right, you can tell Steph's story without kd but you can't tell kd's story without Steph, I like how they keep saying without kd Steph wouldn't have had 4 chips and yes that's true currently, but if we're going buy present times without any if, if kd didn't join Steph he'd be known more for blowing a 3-1 lead to steph and for getting swept buy the Boston Celtics in the first round a Boston Celtics team that Steph ends up beating in 6 games at their house to win his second ring and first finals MVP and at that point, kd would have no rings no finals MVPs and Steph would have 2 rings and 1 finals mvp
Y'all can't talk lebron without saying Anthony Davis. Or dwyande wade. People change stuff to suit they analyist but that personal. These analyst telling they personal truth. Not the truth.
Replace KD with Steph on this Warriors team and they don't even make the finals. Kd is not better than Steph. He just got destroyed by the same team Steph exploded on.
Lost some respect for Tmac. I can understand Steph not being in someone’s top ten but to have KD at 9 is just blasphemous. Steph is definitely ahead of Durant and it shouldn’t even be a discussion. These people are either stupid or just hating. T mac probably salty he has no rings so he’s looking at all nba selections as a way to put KD over Steph.
@@terrellevans9079 no man kd ain’t even close he’s never won a ring in his own system . A system built for him them warriors rings made curry look better and people don’t get that .
@@BonesDMS4life when you talk about 2010s era of basketball 3 names u have to mention is KD,Lebron and Steph. Off talent ability he may be the best ever with him 7ft with his talent ability and efficiency. He literally is smokin anybody in 1on1 because he gonna have some type of advantage against his opponent. Plus his resume is solidified. No need to name it because we all know. KD is literally one of the greatest players the world has ever seen and everybody know. KD is top 5 honestly if we going of talent and resume but that's the truth. The media might not say this but real basketball fans know what's up with KD. Also ask nba players about him they'll tell u. You can find it right on RUclips
Every other player played like someone else. Only few played the game like the way they played it and everyone else tried to copy them. Steph, MJ, Kareem, Pistol Pete, Larry Bird, Shaq, etc....These guys changed the Game. Kobe played like Mike even though he was amazing.
Putting kd over steph on any list is just hate. People blame Russ for them loosing a 3-1 lead to the warriors but if Russ was soo bad OKC would have never even gone up 3-1 or even gone to the finals the previous year. Some how people give kd a pass, they blame Russ for kd not having a championship in okc and blame kyrie for the nets.
i definitely think there are better individual skilled players than Curry, but the way he carried the warriors to a dynasty not just elevating his teammates on the court but elevating a whole franchise is why he deserves a top 10 spot
If Kyrie won 🏆 before his small forward Lebron, with Bron, and after Bron, that would impact Brons legacy. Now steph won a ring before his small forward KD, with KD, and after KD. Case closed.
I think the best way to tell who the best basketball players in terms of top 10 players are these: You need to look if he is the engine of the team, if he is the leader of the team and how much of an impact he has on the team's winning multiple championships.
Happy father's day. Just moved by Steph and his family. His father hugging him. Same thing with Klay and Gary. Jordan loved his dad. Noticed how most of the stable greats have great fathers to lean on. Some overcome without it. To all the fathers out there, bless you and your family.
@@amenx Tell me how's he above MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bill Russell and Bird, even Tim Duncan has an argument for being above Kobe (I have Kobe ahead of him tho)... I'm waiting.
@@angelaquino6755 kobe beat magic and bos who beat lechock's 60+ win teams in the finals. kobe has always played better than tim and won just as much. tim never 2 peated and had stacked super team every year. imagine if kobe had that instead of brown, luke, smush and starters. lmao
@@angelaquino6755 only players that have an argument are Jordan, Kareem and Russell. Lebron is completely overrated and doesn’t belong in the conversation yet he only has 4 titles. Magic had another top 5 player in Kareem. Kobe played in the toughest era has a three peat and a back to back. He’s offensively and defensively better than everyone on the list except jordan. Even magic said kobe is the greatest laker. The guy that throws the whole list off is bronze.
This is the first time I've ever agreed with Ocho, Tmac doesn't quite have the mind of a top 20 all-time NBA athlete, Shaq told him he should've never won the MVP over TD back in 03-04
I think put it this way, all the players have different reasons as well as the collection of hardware that get them in. KD is a better player one on one, but Curry has proven he's just better all around. First KDs thunder has been perennially beaten by both Lebron and Curry. Then, he failed horribly after leaving albeit coming back from injury. Maybe next year w Kyrie he can gain back his seat, but his track record is still deeply marred.
13:54 He literally said LeBron didn't have to say he needed another MVP to win. This guy forgot about the Big 3 team up in Miami when Wade was already considered the next MJ lol. Mind you Wade never won a league MVP but he did win a Finals MVP before the team up.
How can Wiley have KD over Kobe Kobe is now accomplished on defense by far and offensively I don't see KD breaking Kobes scoring records even tho he is arguably as good of a scorer and kobe have 5 rings to KD's 2 including a 3peat and a Repeat
@Nosbel Olivera Chauncey Rip Ben Raheem Tayshuan was rookie nobody was an all-star and nobody average over 18 points a game Payton and Malone was along for the ride 2 top 10 players and Phil Jackson and you wanna compare KD 3 yrs and Klay Thompson against Kobe and Shaq? Really
@@Storm-uo3wr Kobe was traded to that system and had to prove he could win without Shaq. He went the the finals 3 times in a row without him and won twice. Why you acting like that didn’t happen?
It makes 0 fn sense how the dude with the bald head says that curry needed kd for those extra 2 to be in the top 10 conversation but has kd in his top 10 when kd needed steph for those 2 that he has as well, plus curry has 2 more without kd💀so how is kd above steph in your list .I see why draymond hate the new media
If Kobe is on a team with any of them except Mj he is gunna be the one with the ball period. Acho if Kobe played with Magic he would be setting him up to score. Kobe over Magic and Magic even said so. Kobe is GOAT
▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️▫️ Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe ▫️ Rings Jordan 6✔️ Kobe 5 ▫️ Finals Mvps Jordan 6✔️ (most all time) Kobe 2 ▫️ League Mvps Jordan 5✔️ Kobe 1 ▫️ Total Mvps (league and finals) Jordan 11✔️ (most all time) Kobe 3 ▫️ Scoring titles Jordan 10✔️ (most all time) Kobe 2 ▫️ Steals leader Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993) Kobe 0 ▫️ All defensive first team selections Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️ Kobe 9 in 20 years 45% ▫️ Defensive player of year Jordan 1✔️ (1988) Kobe 0 ▫️ Career Steals Jordan 2,514✔️ Kobe 1,944 ▫️ Career blocks Jordan 893✔️ Kobe 640 ▫️ Seasons played Kobe 20 Jordan 15 ▫️ Points per game (regular season) Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 24.99 ▫️ Player efficiency rating Jordan 1st all time ✔️ Kobe 24th all time ▫️ Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career ▫️ Seasons average +30 ppg Jordan 8✔️ Kobe 3 ▫️ Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg Jordan 5✔️ Kobe 0 ▫️ 3point% (NBA finals) Jordan 36.8%✔️ Kobe 31.4% ▫️ Playoff game winning buzzer beaters Jordan 3✔️ Kobe 1 ▫️ Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️ Kobe 7-28 fg for 25% ▫️ Jordan way better player then Kobe ▫️ Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant ▫️ 1991 NBA finals Bulls 4 Lakers 1 First ring Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp ▫️ 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 First ring Kobe 15.6 pts and 36.7% fg an 20% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 pts and 61.1% fg an 16 rebs and finals mvp ▫️ Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option ▫️ Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times ▫️ 2004 NBA finals Pistons 4 Lakers 1 Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince ▫️ 2004 NBA finals Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
James Jackson you slecting stats that's pretty sad Kobe was the mvp in those spurs and kings series and everybody new that was the real nba finals shaq had the better mismatch in those finals Kobe dealing with you could play anywhere on defence it's not about the game it's all favoritism
Steph Curry is greater than Kevin Durant... Just like you said his most amazing skill is his unselfishness why can't people see that I don't understand
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Can we have TMac on again? I loved the passion of this debate!
Wilt Chamberlain not in the top 10 is the biggest joke i have ever seen.
@@flickshotgirl whoever said that Stilt isn't top 10 doesn't know NBA basketball
Steph resume is all most match kobe
Acho “you can tell Steph story with out the two they won with KD but you can’t tell KD story without Steph” was a mic drop moment.
Absolutely. Nothing said afterwards disproved this statement.
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no it wasn't a true statement steph has 4 only cuz of KD
Absolutely facts!!
@@LilianaSellsDallas Steph has 2 without KD. KD has none without Steph.
Putting KD over Steph is just pure hatred . He’s out done KD clearly
You are right for someone to put KD over Steph is just hatred towards Curry.
Facts
He has to atleast one without curry...
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 I think they be looking at it as a 1v1 match up but I feel you. Curry didn't go to KD, KD went to Steph.
@@emekaamerican863 and I think that’s so weird cuz basketball is a team game lol the NBA don’t give out 1 on 1 contracts … Steph effects winning more than KD does making him the better player
To have KD over Kobe🤦🏾♂️ man this list is already disqualified
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Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-- There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements
-- Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements
-- At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements
This clown has Bron at 1. That alone disqualifies the list. 🤣🤣 Bron played with 5, Top 75 players ever compared to MJs 2, 5 seasons with 2 all star teammates compared to MJs 1, 21 top 5 draft pick teammates compared to 1 for MJ, losing finals record, 2011 biggest finals choke job in history with the super heat and finals MVP/ top 3 SG in history in Wade, no 3peats, no DPOY, way too little scoring titles, weaker accolades, less accomplishments in 20 year NBA span so far lol
@@FreedomFighter2112 I personally wouldn’t include scoring titles as one of the categories. That’s a statistical accolade that doesn’t mean much. You’d have to also include leading in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks (Duncan and Magic aren’t really scorers). So I’d do those first 5 because that’s what really matters for all-time greats. Maybe throw in DPOY.
@@FreedomFighter2112 this is the most stupidest ignorant things I have heard in a while
According to ur dumb logic
John havlicek,bob cousy,bob petitt,scottie pipin, Kevin garnet,Karl malone,Jerry west are all better than Steph curry
According to ur logic, Dennis johnson(11) gary payton(12),chris paul(11) will be much much better than Dwayne wade(7) or dirk nowitzki(6)
So U think nba titles, mvp and all nba first team, all defensive first team are all equivalent
Bro they r miles difference it is much difficult to win titles mvp than first all nba team
There is only one titles and mvp in a year but there is five nba first team and five defensive team
It is ridiculous to put them in the same bracket
I wonder where do u get these idea in ur peanut size brain
To have freaking Kevin Durant in the top 10 is criminal. He's proved nothing.
It’s complete ignorance
Facts
Him and LeBron James are overrated
@@rocmcgee7784 no just KD
They idiots bro
Steph beat the SAME defence that swept KD... And he did it averaging 30.
Steph has 2rings WITHOUT the same KD that he "NeEdEd so MuCh."
Steph beat KD. (GSW vs OKC).
It's impossible to make this an intelligent debate.
Counting rings without context is trash
@@kingsleyl.9100 He added some context. Where is yours?
@@kingsleyl.9100 Take this L lol
@@kingsleyl.9100 L
@@kingsleyl.9100 you still have time to delete your comment 🤡
What I feel like people be forgetting is the fact that curry put a lot of pressure on the defense to guard him and allowed kd do his iso ball. The best off ball offensive player of all time
That should also be another benefit to Currys case. That he is able to take a secondary role if necessary, even change his role a bit. No ego, just wants to win.
@@LeapingRat agreed
Agree, the last time i saw one are double teamed and guarded heavily even before crossing half court and still manage to score and put pressure. While the other one loses 1st round to the defense by the Celtics, let me remind you its the same Celtics team that Curry beat to earn His FMVP
Facts
Yes ppl fasho forgot about that but some ppl brought it out like Shannon sharpe. Without steph on the floor the team didn’t score well that included kd. When he’s on the floor everyone scores even if he’s not
kd in the top 10 is crazy having him over kobe is insane!
For real
Those dude straight haters and know nothing lol
Media propaganda to sell products
Makes 0 sense
Kd over kobe is trash I don't care about the others. Kobe is a 5 time champ. Put some respect on kobe
They replaced KD with Andrew Wiggins and won a chip. Case closed
I agree but maybe our reasons are different just because I think there's 2. Maybe yours is KD and Wiggins needed the Warriors to win a championship in KDs case I think maybe 1 of the 2 they won maybe true but I know Curry was great against the Celtics, Wiggins may not be the MVP but he was very valuable
Yeah but this team wouldn’t have beaten lebron Kyrie and loves cavs team
@@jasonhodges6463 they were 4 points away from beating them with suspensions and injuries, stop spewing that bs narrative
KD got swept by the same team Curry beat in the finals. Curry beat KD in the western finals. It’s clear to see who’s the winner. Idk even know why anyone would care what tmac would says about basketball.
@@westbronco9066 no bs, I just don’t think the warriors team would beat that Cleveland team, draymond not as good, klay not as good iggy not as good, no s Livingston or barbosa and I think lebron Kyrie and love are clearly an upgrade opposed to what Boston showed
Many retired players and analysts don’t know how important Steph’s gravity and unselfishness is.. Steph’s mindset is to win all means necessary.. that’s either scoring more or being just the gravity.
They're just salty because a little lightskinned guy shook the yard they're supposed to stomp.
@@kismet1085 fr
@@kismet1085 the curry hate is insane
steph beat kd when they both had healthy teams in 2016, although the media seems to forget that. kd got swept with a healthy kyrie on his team this year. steph averaged 31 in the finals and now has a fmvp. no way is kd above steph
Steph curry wasn't healthy, hence being down 3-1 in the first place. He prematurrly came back from a mcl sprain.
@@kasimk4 makes it even better.
Steph just got recovering from an mcl sprain knee that OKC series wouldn't have gone to a seven game series if Steph is fully healthy
@@kasimk4 well can make same statement with Cavs in 2015 finals when Kyrie and Love hurt all series. Curry wasn’t 100% in 2016 finals but he still played all 7 games. GSW was closer to being healthy in 2016 finals than Cavs were in 2015 finals
@@dewman7477 lol, no you can't.
Even if you take away Steph's first ring, he still has more rings without KD than KD does without him. Put some respect on Steph's name. He's absolutely top 10.
Neither is top 10 stop the cap
@@jseay12487 you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Steph is in my top 10 after this chip
He's definitely not top 10. Close but he's not there with ONE FMVP, lol. Yall are trippin
@@kelvinwilkes1050 that's the only thing people said was "missing" from his resume and keeping him out of the top 10. Now he has one and he's STILL not top 10?? Wtf smh lol
@@macxavier168 Bro Iguadola has the same amount of rings and a FMVP. By your logic he needs to be top 10 also, lol
while playing together from2016-2019
Steph w/o KD: 27-4 (87.1%)
KD w/o Steph: 23-17 (57.7%)
Steph w KD: 131-37 (78%)
if I speak I am in trouble...
There's no way you can have Durant over Curry, impossible argument to make as it stands. More Chips, more MVPs and by the numbers, should be even on FMVPs aswell. Perhaps that will change, but as it stands, Curry will go down as a better player.
Only problem is that when they played together one differed to the other one accepted and knew the other player was better. Steph could not beat Bron without KD!
@@Balil_Wrld Steph was 1 game away to beat Bron with Harrison Barnes putting up 9 points on 31% shooting lol.. He didn't need KD, he needed a solid wing.
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@@Balil_Wrld I guarantee you they would've destroyed the Cavs if they did it again the following year without KD and without injuries and suspensions from either team.
@@Balil_Wrld Except he already did without KD.... he also BEAT KD after spotting him a 3-1 lead. Only reason why he "deferred" to KD was because all the defense was getting pulled towards Steph, allowing KD to go 1 on 1. Now go sit your ignorant self down and learn some ball.
Tmac: “it’s easy to win a ring”
Also Tmac: *Has no rings
LMAO it's always the losers and the bus riders who say winning is easy lol that's why they love KD so much
Can't say that when a player wins a Fmvp, and even those rewards aren't the most accurate. It is easy to win a ring when you're warming the bench, but the pressure gets higher when you're required to play well to win.
So you’re not going to include what he said? He said it’s easy when you have Steph and klay.. he said everyone knew when KD joined they would win
100% correct
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Curry won with Harrison Barnes at SF, with KD at SF, and with Wiggins at Small Foward. You couldve put PJ Tucker at SF in 2017 and 2018 and Curry and the Warriors would have still won those rings. Curry never needed Durant it was a luxury and Wardell Stephen Curry gifted KD those 2 rings.
They weren’t winning 100 percent in 2017 and 2018 with PJ tucker being replaced with KD. They weren’t beating the 2017 cavs and in 2018 they would have lost to Houston. KD was an integral part of those team, stop discrediting him. He was the best player on those warriors. He isn’t the same guy anymore after the Achilles injury, he is still good but not prime kd.
@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392 not really. Shaq himself said that KD looked as good as he did, cause Curry distracted the defenders due to his unlimited range. That's why KD best performance has been at GSW. This is also why Wiggins who was nowhere near the top level performs second best in playoffs as well. People who have never played basketball professionally at the top level only look at the stats, it's only the top players who realise the impact the greatest 3p shooter ever has on the psyche of the opponents defenders. There are literally videos of celts double marking Curry while KD is doing a dunk. That matters.
Don't mistake me. KD is very likely top 15 level. But some people do overrate him above Curry and that's just wrong. Even in 2018 finals Steph was averaging better than KD, and that's not including how much lanes he opens by distracting defenders off KD & the rest. Stephs shooting ability requires so much defensive resources, that it ends up elevating the play of his teammates. It may be KD or it can be Wiggins, same story. They perform better cause of Steph, and not just a little, by a lot.
After all there is a reason why GSW with Curry remains the ruling dynasty, before with and after KD. KD's achievements without Steph just prove that. Like it or not, it was KD who needed Steph not otherwise.
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@@kunalsingh4418 Could not have said it better.
@@kunalsingh4418 💯 agreed!
You cannot please everyone, God bless Steph curry!
Amen to that this guy Marcelous is not for Steph he act like Skip Bayless
Tracy acting like we remember his championships.
You got that right someone’s gonna find something wrong.
@Blackest Vex nah. Not really. Just feels that the goal post moves bac nd forth some times but they def aren’t doin what skip be doin
@Blackest Vex skip believes what he says. I’m not giving you the “they are paid to be objective” cop out. Yes some things he may say he may just spew them but the man’s wife says the same thing about him as well as those that know him personally.
Also I didn’t say they moved the goal post here. I was speaking generally. But in that being said. It’s something that we hear them especially skip “generally” do. It’s not about being sensitive it’s about making sense. The objectivity has to have a base of sense otherwise regulars would be hosting the show
KD is as skilled as it gets but when talking about all time ranking, skills alone do not cut it. Hence we have to take into account accomplishments (both individual and team). And at this point, right now, Steph is at least equally as skilled as KD, and at the same time he is much more accomplished than KD. As such, objectively speaking, Steph is without a doubt ahead of KD in all time rankings.
No..kd better player when on same team..ur jus sayin steph had better teammates
@@xavierb9061 again, the better player is not only a matter of skill. Curry is a better leader, makes those around him better much more than KD, more accomplished than KD and as skilled (if not more) than KD. In fact, if KD and Steph were the same height, Steph would be the better player no doubt.
@@elvarisanchez7089 better leader no, circumstance ..durant went to finals owner got rid of harden save money. Kyrie refuse take a needle.. curry jus more lucky..he coulda been drafted to timbrwolves they picked a pg..horrible organization instead sent best organization,.durant went there won fmvps
@@xavierb9061 stop it
@@Capb25 lol truth hit u huh...some1 broke down 4 me 2
I just lost a whole lot of respect for Tracy McGrady! Give Steph his dues! Maybe KD is a bit better player and scorer than Steph, but Curry is the better winner and leader by far!
KD is not a better player than Steph!!!!
Curry beat Durant with Harden and Westbrook and all these 3 are MVP, only Curry is the only MVP from the warriors so there's that
@@karltabby that was when they were younger. Not really a point of contention. I do believe he is better than all those player though.
@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392 same with curry klay and dray, they all young also at that point in time
@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392 its just that the warriors play the game the right way
TMac is hurting my feelings so bad. I expect it from Wileys biased self, but not TMac. They are really still saying Steph needs KD to be a champion. You watched this man Steph do it again and they are still delusional.
Nba's top 13 is so close that anyone can interchange other.. that's exactly what's happening.. one put kd at top13, curry at 10.. another kd at top 10,curry at top13.. it's just individual perspective
@@tanjiroushirogane690 In that case, you don't mind me putting Lebron outside the top 10, right? Just asking.
@@tanjiroushirogane690 it's just good Ole fashion hating
Just good ol fashion hating. They well continue to raise the bar and move the goal post, but Steph will continue to rise above it. Keep hating my friends...
TMac just turns into a hater since he had more views...
I can’t lie as a rockets fan hearing T-Mac talk more about basketball I understand why he never got pass the second round his basketball skill is off the charts but basketball knowledge is lacking tremendously
Exactly!!!
U mean 1st round and he my favorite player ever lol but u got a point
Yeah Tracy ain't got no basketball iq at all but I do remember his sneakers back in 2000🤣
I’m done with TMac pure hate
He salty
He’s between 8-10 already. In fact, the only players safe on the list are MJ, Lebron, Magic, and Kareem. Everyone else is at risk of getting passed by Steph during the next few seasons.
(1) He’s undeniably the greatest shooter ever. He’s so absurdly good at shooting that, like Acho said, he is as dominant of a player as Shaq was (at least on offense). He’s a freak shooter in the way Giannis is a freak athlete in the way Magic had a freakish basketball IQ; it dictates the entire game.
(2) He revolutionized the game ON THE COURT more than anyone in probably a half century. MJ and Lebron did more off the court, but they simply didn’t change the way the game was played on the court at the level Steph has.
(3) Unanimous MVP; 2 total MVPs.
(4) 4 rings. He was the leader for all 4 of them, he played the best on his team in at least 2 of them.
i agree with you on the 2 finals but the other two are not debatable that KD played better, so it’s not “atleast 2” because that implies that there’s more than 2
I agree he's better than Durant at this point but how is he over anyone else after Durant? MJ changed the game just as much as he did ! No team thought a gaurd would make a difference in a center driven Era ! I want to be like mike was no bs everyone emulated him in some degree afterwards. that's my first point . Even with another ring I don't see how you put him above kobe unless he puts in more work than just another ring . Kobe took more difficult deep mid range shots than anyone ever . First gaurd to really push distance out like that . I'm not saying curry ain't good but it's Mount Rushmore for a reason . To be fair kobe was too low on the second list and I do think curry is at 10 rn . I'm giving him 10 bc I know he has time left but I believe he stays at 10 but at best 9 . Which is honestly all people can ask for bc it's a tough list .
Magic isn’t safe either honestly
@@allcinionexplainsitall5869 LeBron either
@@ceionteperry4764 🤔 yeah you might be right about that
Curry surpassed KD in game 4 of the finals. Warriors was getting dismissed by everyone after game 3. And the fact that KD couldn't even win one game against the Celtics says it all.
This is all the argument you need, dude also had Kyrie Irving. KD aint nowhere on Curry level
@@sincerleyme8968 not only did he have him…kyrie literally outplayed him
@@patd2022 exactly
And he had the famous Kyrie lamarcus Seth and Blake still didn’t get nowhere!
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
-- There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements
-- Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements
-- At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements
I stopped watching after I saw KD ranked above Kobe....🤦♂️
That's straight disrespect. 5 time champ with 2 fmvp with a weaker team than Golden State
1. MJ Goat
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
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At this point in time you have (81) likes you guys please leave it like that just comment instead !
@@daverubin6031 that’s my top 5 too
Bruh this is the first time i'm listening to ACHO and he's got spot-on takes. He speaks with reason and confidence. I like it
KD can never be over Curry.💯
“Y’all need to stop holding Steph Curry’s greatest ability against him - BECAUSE Y’ALL SELFISH!!” 🧐
The sport of basketball was created with the soul purpose of winning is to throw the ball and make it in the hoop and Steph is the greatest to do that…but he ain’t top 10 all time? Lol
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@@ChenoodleSoup I get your point, all time great at making 3s but he ain't the greatest at overall scoring, look at all time leaders in points per game/total points.
Not having Wilt in ya Top 10 is crazy & having KD over Kobe is even crazier
Even Ty Lue who was coaching the Cavs said that the primary focus was to contain Steph over KD in those series. Durant will never be as efficient in the playoffs as he was playing with Steph and Klay because he'll never get that much single coverage ever again.
Thank you!! "Steph was a bad guy. He was a bad man. So we had to double team him every time he touched the ball, and he still averaged 27! ... he is the most dangerous player in the league." Just watch the series. Steph is doubled and tripled.
“KD went there and helped Steph get 2”
Uhhhh Magic and Kareem are both top 5 players all time and did it TOGETHER too. Why does a super teammate hurt Steph but not anyone on showtime?
And Kareem won without Magic, so that list by Wiley makes no sense.
Also Kobe and Shaq played together. If they are willing to over look for Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq and Durant, why are they judging Steph for winning 2 with KD. Can't stand this no name host
@@allenmk138 To be fair, Kareem won with Oscar Robertson and hadn't another until Magic showed up. I have Kareem lower than most people though.
@Lamar Stewart Wtf are you talking about the Lakers didn't draft Kobe, Shaq, Kareem, Lebron, AD... TF! Go learn some b-ball history.
@@eimajvl the lakers did draft in 1996 those other dudes are from free agency
I love how Tracy tries to change the argument when faced with the facts that Dray was suspended..lol
Tracy is jealous! Steph Curry is way more successful and beloved than T-Mac will every be! Even Grant Hill and Jason Kidd are more successful as well.
He said dray had 37 in the 2019 finals I’m still trying to figure out when that happened 😂😂
@@user-xi4ym4lp2q he actually did have like 30+ one game....lol
@@ephraimlatson I remember in the 2016 game 7 but 2019 ? Tracy trippin lol
@@user-xi4ym4lp2q lol... You right thats probably what im thinking about
i love Tmac but former players are to biased on KD . Steph has beat KD , KD never beat him Steph won without KD never did . Why does Steph get heat for the getting KD ,like yall know KD had to leave after he lost to them
Steph finally won without kd. Warriors wouldn’t have won their first if it weren’t for injuries. They got embarrassed by Lebron. Cried and begged Durant for their next two. Even this one the got lucky with ja missing.
@@hofx666 what if what if what if. Facts are what? Op has a solid take. Cope more.
@@hofx666 go back to there 1st chip what KD done
@@hofx666 that year they beat the Thunder in the playoffs, getting them to the Finals. Try again and keep crying over that
@@hofx666 btw. When cavs were injured how'd gs get to the finals? Op wasn't talking about them winning. Hmmmm. Okc choke under kd? Aka steph beat kd.
KD over Kobe!!!
Ain’t no way!!! Kobe has far more accolades earned by comparison. Not even close. KD to some has more talent individually but Kobe worked harder, had way better intangibles & that killer/alpha mentality.
Pure blasphemy
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Just crazy, I honestly feel like they try to sell the segment with bad takes on purpose
Wiley been Bronsexuals and Kobe hater for a long time man! Nothing new.
dude is clippers fan lmao
I like how dude wit the glasses explain himself good point steph most definitely a top 10 💯
I finally get Why KD is so loved by media and more so former players who didn't win a titles or those who won titles as bus riders instead of bus drivers... kD is their wet dream, the dude joined a 73-9 team that had a 3-1 lead over LeBron and got called the best player while facing little to no defense, KD the ultimate bus rider to be mistaken as a bus driver in the history of the sport
Without Kd the warriors don’t win back to back
So true
@@NwoFresh and without warriors kd has 0 rings
Well, boys and girls...b-ball is more than rings and mvp's. Rookie KD scored over 20ppg and it took Stephen 4 years to get over 20. Game IS played on the other end too. I got no skinn this game if you think Steph is better or KD....nice.
I think the reason is another one. KD just has their old-school style, while Steph has changed the way the game is played and has shortened many of those guys' careers. They are salty because a 6ft2 guy is colossally better than them in a big man's game.
Why do they keep saying Golden State is a superteam? They were drafted and we're assembled organically. Steph, Klay and Dray became All-stars because they were winning together.
When they added kd they were. Use your common sense.
I just dont see how they can heavily scrutinize steph but give kd a pass 😂 & the nerve to put kd over kobe
Here's a simple take, when Steph and KD played together, the whole NBA feared Steph more over him. That's why the defense always gravitating over him so that KD can flourish more than any other teams he played with.
No boston tripple team Durant all games and fouled him and the referee never call foul. They wasn’t triple teaming curry that way because is team mates was backing him up.warrior just have a better team and a better coach.
Yes you're right, because he's the no. 1 scoring option for the nets. It doesn't really take away from KD he is still hard to guard. All I'm saying is when they played together, they focus more on Steph than him. Also, Steph is the leader on that team and not KD.
It's easier to bully Steph then KD that's why teams would rather double Steph
@@redmanjohnson4616 And they never Succeeded either lol. Steph averaged 28 6 5 while being the focal point of Cavs defense and Durant dominating the Iso's
Because Curry has always been more impactful. His shots are louder and it gets the rest of his team hyped. KD is a great player but he doesn’t create this gravity.
Kobe is #10 on Wiley’s list…don’t need to look further at it to know it’s already flawed 🤣
People who look for opportunities to undermine Kobe love to project his role in the first title run to all three. Also when evaluating 2000 Finals the same crowd loves to omit crucial facts such as Kobe playing 8 minutes in one of the games and leaving with an injury, missing a game completely, and that he essentially played injured for 3/4 games, in one of which he delivered a win while Shaq was fouled out.
Kobe is top 2 for me. but thats just me.
Kobe 33.3/7.0/7.0 on 51/36/77 with elite defense against the Spurs.
Shaq had 27/13/3 and 1 block per game against Spurs (2001)
Kobe top 3 ever
Kobe in MVP Voting during the early shaq years:
1999-2000 he was 12th (as a 20 year old - unheard of in the NBA)
2000- 2001 he was 9th (at the age of 21 - unheard of in the NBA)
2001-2002 he was 5th (at the age of 22)
2002-2003 he was top 3 (ahead of Shaq)
2003-2004 he was 5th (ahead of Shaq)
Also, arguably the best perimeter defender in the league during that period.
10 is pretty fair. I have him a few spots higher, but it's not hating or anything to have him at 10. There are a lot of legends that have played this game, and while Kobe has longevity and rings, his prime wasn't up there with some of the other top 10 players.
Look at the show he did on February 23, 2022 he didn’t even have Kobe in top 10 he is very flawed
KD never lead the team in scoring in the regular season all 3 years he was with the warriors. The more you know
Acho DESTROYED Cel in this one. Props my man 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Facts
😂😂😂😂 they haters
Tmac got 2016 mixed with 2019. Curry averaged 30 in 2019 that would’ve been his mvp if they won and klay didn’t go down
Right lol Draymond best chance was 2016.
Even If Klay was there Raptors winning that chip. Klay played 4.5 games. Not like he missed a whole series
@@jsmooth4116 Doubt it. Had Klay not missed game 3 the series could've changed. It's not guaranteed that Raptors would still win
@@jsmooth4116 klay got hurt in game 6 where he had 30 by the 3rd quarter and then got hurt. They could of pulled those games off if he didn’t get hurt.
@@sandijusic they were up by 4 when he got hurt. You act like they were blowing them out. Anything could have happendc
Steph doesn’t get enough credit for almost averaging a triple double first finals with KD. That one bad game where he dropped like 8 or 10 is what killed his MVP chances. People make it seem like KD was easily the best player for the Warriors, but it’s debatable
Marcellus straight hating on Steph at this point, he also needs to get KD outta his mouth for once
I love these selective criteria for validating an NBA championship. So LeBron's 4 rings are all 100, even though he left to go to Miami and join a top 5 and top 15 player, and then left when they got old to come back to Cleveland, but under the condition that he could team up with Kyrie and Love, and then he moves to LA and has to get AD in order to win a chip in the bubble. How many rings did MJ win without Pippen? Bottom line is that a top 10 list is all about personal preference, and Steph doesn't care what your list is as long as he keeps winning.
Lebron’s rings are weak AF. Only worse are KDs
Steph does care. He's an NBA great, and all NBA greats care about their legacy. He wouldn't have reacted as emotionally as he did if he didn't care. He also wouldn't call himself the greatest shooter all time if he didn't care. Every other pantheon player had a fMVP, he's not stupid enough to think it doesn't matter to your legacy since you're judged by your peers.
truer words have never been spoken
DWade was top 5 in 2011?
From anyone who has a brain and isn’t a hater knows Bron and Jordan on the court in their prime was miles ahead of the next closets player. Defense and Offense are both important as well. People act like all you gotta do is score nowadays to be a top 5 player. For Curry I’d be happy he’s even close to top 10 players all time.. 0 and I mean 0 defensive accolades.
What Steph has that all of those 10 Players don't have
- The Greatest 3 Pointer ever.
- The First Unanimous MVP
Did I really just see Kevin Durant over Kobe Bryant? “Best” and “greatest” are 2 different things. Rogers is arguably better than Brady… but he ain’t greater, that’s for sure.
You are the only logical person at the table
These guys are idiots. Kobe > Durant
Both as a player and all time legacy. Kobe was a MONSTER in his prime. People FORGET.
True.. but Kevin Durant is neither greater nor better than Kob. Kobe is top 3.
That clown has LeBron over MJ. That alone is blasphemous.
100% ANYONE who puts KD over Kobe has brain damage. There is absolutely no reason any sane person would say KD is better/greater than Kobe, unless they measure “greatness” by who has more burner Twitter accounts.
Putting KD in top 10 already tells me you're absolutely delusional. KD needed Curry, Curry didn't need KD.
IKR the list is immediately voided.
Curry makes Looney Wiggins Porter jr and GP2 look like Allstars. He makes everyone better.
Acho is on point! People gon' learn to put some respek on Chef Curry's name!
Steph BEAT KD before he invited him to join him.
Steph ALREADY had a ring. KD had ZERO.
Now Steph has ANOTHER ring. KD has NOTHING without Curry.
And great point... they wanna talk about LeBron not having Kyrie and Love, but they don't wanna talk about Steph losing Draymond!
Acho thanks for talking some sense into theses dudes!
Steph losing draymond for what? A f cking game? How is that equivalent to missing kyrie and love for a series? Yet alone draymond coming back and being up 3-1. Gtfoh.
@@sportstalkonly1442 warriors were 4 points away from winning the chip with a draymond suspension steph injury iguodola injury and an Andrew bogut injury
@@ImTheBestNerd curry wasn't injured. Iggy wasn't injured. Draymond missed one game in which lebron dropped 41. He came back and lebron dropped 41 again. And bogut was and is a bum. Try again.
@@ImTheBestNerd an dif they really lost because of those things and that's what they truly felt they never would've added kd.
@@sportstalkonly1442 iggy was injured? Wym lol dawg 😂 did u watch the finals that year or you just got a foggy memory also bogut was one of the best defensive centers in the nba and was huge in protecting the paint kind of important when playing against lebron and kyrie lol they also added kd because of the cap space increase and curry being on a cheap contract it’s not like any team can add a max player whenever they want, they were gonna add him regardless
KD and the Warriors needed each other. People forget how hard the West was that the Warriors went through. And how big a rival the Rockets were to them around that time. So you can argue that the Warriors don't go back to back without KD. However you can also say that Steph has proven he can carry a team to a Championship both before KD and after KD. The same team that shut down KD and swept the Nets, and the slowed down Giannis and took away his efficiency when it mattered, had no answer for Curry who out up all time great numbers and efficiency against them.
Acting like Steph still has to "prove" something anymore. Is just hate. Ya'll said he wouldn't get the same open looks without KD and Klay. He went and lead the NBA in scoring. Ya'll said he wouldn't ever win a championship after KD left? He did just that. Ya'll said he couldn't come up big when his team needed it the most in the Finals? He went and did that too. All the slights, Steph has personally disproven. They got nothing left. Which is why they sound like clowns.
Facts 💯
facts. curry averaged 31 points with 63% true shooting against the best defense in the league.
Faaaaacts
They had 73 wins...how hard what? Momentum killed when they got draymond. Next season I believed dubs go back to finals without kd
"What are they gonna say now"
Finally, someone brings up Draymond in Game 5. They're still missing all the injuries though, if we're playing the "Ifs".
Love Acho’s points here. He’s 100% correct. How have we gotten to the point that KD is now greater than Steph when everyone was trashing him originally for being the one to join him in order to win a championship?
Thats how KD "reverse engineer" his all-time greatness status. He won the rings first, and then his fanbase and media start to make it about KD more than the GS.
@Lamar Stewart even if Curry win 2 more rings?
@Lamar Stewart clown take
@Lamar Stewart Your argument is full of flaws. He needs to be all NBA 1st team, AND win the chip, AND be finals MVP all in the same year in order for him to be a top 10 player?? It’s not good enough that he’s accomplished all those things and more?? Does he also need to be the league MVP too that same year?? Some of the arguments people make to justify why they disrespect Curry is so insane 😂
Bird does need an explanation less wins less chips less points with a better team
I’m with you on this Acho.
I don’t get why some people don’t give Steph credit when is due, the guy literally revolutionize shooting, changed the game doing, has 4 ships several mvps come on man he’s the best shooter of all time even better than bird.
How a dude who got swept with the greatest ball handler is in this conversation is beyond me
THANK YOU
Every time I hear these old players talk like that, I remember Steph Curry saying "play the right way." That's something TMac never learned. It's a team effort, not an individual show.
That's why tmac don't have ring
@@Bella-id3nb a lot of people don’t your point
So shooting from half court is “playing the right way” 🤣🤣🧢
@@cygriffin83 "playing the right way" means involving your team and that's what gsw had been doing for decade. A team play.
MJ and Steph are best players period, they have made more impact on the game than anyone else.
Are you serous? Dr.J saved the ABA then saved the NBA. Bird and Magic took the NBA to another level. LeBron carried the pressure since he was 18. Man you need to watch basketball and put things in perspective.
Absolutely agree along w wilt
This was Curry's season. Teams knew that he was GS only best player entire season and ALL opponents had to game plan on how to slow Curry down. Curry was still able to shine regardless. Let us be fair, Curry is a rare species and don't know what else he has to do to prove to these fools he belongs.
He is only able to shine is because his teammates got better. It’s never about one player.
@@buckisz yea but that’s what you’d call a trivial solution. If all his teammates were trash, assuming, would curry be worse? Absolutely not. The opposite actually. This was also proved when Curry was going Ballistic every game in the covid season. He carried a team of “Steph and the rookies” to the play-ins.
You can just tell from this and a few other takes on other shows, people still can't process that Steph actually has two chips without Durant now, and they are slowly starting to realize that "DURANT HELPED HIM WIN 2!" counterpoint is becoming less potent. The one guy that said "Steph used Kevin as a trampoline to get into this conversation" , doesn't realize that same take can be used to counter his own list with Durant, if reversed (Since Durant is in HIS top 10, and doesn't have a single chip if we removed Steph from his legacy) and it really doesn't help that he lost to Steph in a pretty embarrassing way before he joined.
T-mac comes off as a little biased, he could be seeing a lot of himself in Durant, so he probably doesn't want to put Steph over him because it would inherently imply Steph is greater than him as well. (Even though he obviously is) but y'know how competitive people are.
Just a theory though with T Mac.
I know some people will disagree and that's fine.
Steph Curry ain’t better than TMax sir.
I’m sorry for telling u the truth
@@jrsmith1998 I used the word "Greater" Steph is greater than T-Mac. T-mac's career pales in comparison to Steph's, whether you think he's better or not is based on your opinion, which I'm not here to debate you on, I'm simply stating facts.
@@jrsmith1998 Facts!!!
@@sevis770 right bro Steph is definitely better and t Mac wasn't no slouch this top 10 list is tough because most people are gonna base it off chips but who really can you take off besides Hakeem I agree with acho if curry wins again the whole top is shook up he may surpass LeBron
@@jrsmith1998 it’s T-Mac goofy and what you said was so ridiculous you don’t deserve to talk about hoops anymore
"You all have to stop holding Steph's greatest ability against him."
If you want to put in KD, then you might as well put in Allen Iverson and Kyrie Irving: they are all "skilled".
T-mac one of my favorite players, but recently hearing talk about these topics, him saying he should have gotten mvp just for carrying his bad team to the playoffs and now his 1v1 league and taking about how 1v1 is the purest form of ball to him. Kinda showing why he didn’t have much team success and why he looks at certain players differently.
I do agree , individualism mentality
hes just promoting his new league
I love t-mac as a players he had yae ming and couldn't get out the first Rd
💥 exactly what I was thinking. He’s an iso player so he favors ISO players
He right he should’ve got mvp during his 30 ppg days
You can’t put KD over Steph, it’s literally impossible now
Cracks me up watching people ignore Stephs greatness due to lack of finals MVP's. 2017 finals: 27 pts, 9 rebs, 8 assists. 2018 finals: 27.5 pts/6.8 assist, 6 rebounds. Those are world class finals performances, all time great stuff, and because he didn't win the MVP, people equate that with choking or not bringing it in the finals. Ridiculous, his numbers were far better, by a mile, than many winners of the finals MVP award in the past. He's cemented as a finals legend. You can look at his rings and his numbers. He's in a microscopic group of amazing performers with that many rings.
Wiley's point on Curry needed KD for the 2 chips to get in the top 10 is BS.
That's a bigger hit on KD, cause without Curry, KD got none. period.
Now KD has the same kyrie that Wiley said LeBron would have won in 2015 if he wasn't injured and what did that get KD. Swept in the first round
@@CoutureThug These two Kyrie's are so different lmao. At least Kyrie in Cleveland was playing and not a total nutcase.
@@LegitSav what are you talking about he was a flat earther in Cleveland, he's always been nutso
Exactly because kd is in his top 10 but kd needed curry for his 2 rings💀
If Tracy's argument about the Curry's and Durant's story is that Curry is not in top 10 without KD, then KD is not in the top 15 without Steph.
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Tmac was so amazing, hard to believe that he never even won a playoff series. Granted he didn’t have the best teams but you would’ve thought he could have won a playoff series by himself.
these guys are sorta bitter if you listen to their lame comments, they are jealous because of these cats success.
Choked
He was on the 2013 Spurs. He did win one.
@@vihaanmittal458 they didn’t win he don’t got a ring
I'm the biggest KD fan in the world, I had him above Steph but sorry after another chip and FMVP he is above KD. He has to be at this point.
Nah..kd jus as unlucky as steph is lucky. When luck takin out and on same team u could see who was better
The only advantage KD has is height. Literally nothing else.
@@xavierb9061 Luck or no luck is kinda 'what if' thing because the main point is... we don't know and it can't really measure. What we do know now, Steph has won another chip without him and fought against the team that beated him. That's the conclusion why Steph is better than KD at this point.
@@Saltyahole KD is a better rebounder and defender lol 😂 and KD better career average per game scorer and more efficient. Curry is only a better shooter and passer that’s it. KD is a great free throw shooter and one of best mid range scorers in nba history and a good or even borderline elite 3 point shooter not the best like curry though
@@RayZkung no what if..played same team durant fmvp twice...if pippen won title during mj retirement hes better lol loool
Y’all don’t understand the gravity curry has on a game. He has the same gravity Shaq generated as a 6’3 guard. KD doesn’t have that gravity
I actually believe that. Shaq changed the game on pure dominance, Curry is doing the same thing from the 3 point line
That’s nice but that don’t make him better. They played together & we saw who was better. Steph has a better resume tho
@@denimjeg lmao the only reason KD looked better than steph in Golden State is because nba teams rather double team Steph than KD. 💀💀💀
@@jakeavendano1362 nobody doubled steph in 2017 or 2018. Y’all lie so much
@@jakeavendano1362 thank you!!
it's impossible to see who's better between 2 players that are mvp calibers in the same team. however, we can see who's better between the two when they're matched up against each other on different teams. and last time they were against each other in the playoffs, curry showed who was the better player.
I'm a KD fan but how the heck do you put KD over Kobe? Marcellus's hate for Kobe is coming out for real.
Marcellus has LeBron #1, so he has to keep Kobe as far as possible from top-3.
Yeah McGrady and Wiley are wrong. The back this Kevin Durant has not won a championship without curry. McGrady talking about Toronto but ignores the fact that to be able to have Kevin Durant on the team you had to sacrifice depth. Without having depth when you lose Kevin Durant and Thompson you didn’t have any besides the stars and that was only curry and green and they took it six games and could’ve won game six if Thompson does not tear his ACL. Curry was definitely the front runner if they would have won in 2019 let’s stop it. In 17 and 18 The defensive attention when they won the championships went to curry . They thought curry was the best player the Cavaliers coach has said as such since then I mean of course Kevin Durant would look Like the best player if he’s being single covered and wide open because they’re putting so much attention on Curry that’s not really a hard thing to figure out but so many people get wrong even former players. The fact is they had comparable stats even if Kevin Durant have slightly better stats in 17 and 18 but of course he should he was wide freaking open most of the time. I mean I’m just trying to figure it out . Curry beat Kevin Durant when they had comparable teams are he was the best player when they were on the same team and he doesn’t have a title outside of Curry but Curry‘s been to three finals and one two of them without him. If we are going to blast curry About 2016 I guess LeBron doesn’t get the excuse in 2015. We can’t have it both ways the Warriors the second half of those finals were injured. So if we are gonna talk like injuries what about Vocic games for he towards ACL he was the best rim defender and after that LeBron got what he wanted, Iggy had a bad back that Second half of the finals couldn’t guard LeBron, and Curry had a sprained MCL. Since no one wants to touch or disrupt that 2016 finals then I guess we need to have a conversation about giving credit to 2015. I have never seen one player get so much credit for being a bandwagon and bus rider. I love how we say curry recruited him when it was Draymond who wanted him and Kevin Durant wanted to go there for the easy championships. It’s not her he wanted him but Durant didn’t want to go it’s both Durrant wanted to go there and curry wasn’t gonna say no to such a great player. I find it funny that McGrady says it’s easy to win a championship in this era with another superstar but Kevin Durant had multiple superstars in the last couple years still no Championship. If it’s so easy how come Kevin Durant doesn’t have a title except with the Warriors because he’s played with Westbrook, harden ,kyrie , etc. in fact Kevin Durant has had probably the most talent he has played with of almost all time but yet he has no championship work he leads the team to a championship he had a very talented thunder team he couldn’t do it same thing with Brooklyn. It’s almost like he needed curry
Preach
that marcelous list make curry #8 he put kd over kobe and reality curry is over kd..lol
Champions don’t make excuses bruh 😂
@@cloudboy9431 OK if champions don’t make excuses and that means 2015 is not an Asterisk. My problem is if you say 2015 they didn’t prove it because Kevin lovin kyrie weren’t injured then you need to say that in 2016 the Warriors were injured and the championship does not fully count and if you’re not willing to do that for 2016 that you can’t say it in 2015
You can see why Tmac never won anything his whole thing is one on one no who won more and better career if we go by Tmac argument Wilt would be #1
*Its been a week later and I still can't believe Wiley put KD at number 9... WTF!!*
Something that Acho touched on, that I think should be in the conversation. All league MVPs are not the same. I think Unanimous MVPs should be ranked higher. We all know how the 2021/2022 MVP was a very close race. Jokic won Embid by a couple of votes.
I think Steph having a Unanimous MVP should bring him up in the Top 10 All time. IMHO.
I think top 10 players should have defensive accolades. I understand we live in a time where offense is more flashy and fun, but all these top 10 players are known for being elite defenders (at the very least, very good).
@@LegitSav curry is 6’3 and a very good team defender
@@LegitSav magic was a bad defender
@@LegitSav y’all forget steph led the league in steals in 2016. just bc he doesn’t have any All-NBA defensive selections does not mean he’s not a good defender, i actually think he does better than people give him credit for just bc his defense isn’t “elite”
@@RegiioKid steals aren’t indicative of good defence, heck James Harden lead the league in steals so did AI. Curry has never been a plus defender.
People choose KD because they give so much weight to physical talent, size, speed, and not overall impact on the game. We´ll see over the next couple of years with the Nets if KD manages to be the leader of a championship team. Perhaps if Steph wins another one and KD continues to fail; perhaps Steph will receive more credit.
And its sad because it shouldnt get to that point, people should have realized that by now. So it has to take Steph winning 5 Rings compare to KD 2 for those dumb fans of KD to say that Steph was the greater player overall? Like how dumb could they get if that what it takes for them to see the truth.
@@tigera6 and curry would need another fmvp for them to even accept it lol
People pick Durant because he was cooking lebron, had lebron running from him.
They will hate him more lol
bruhh, the media and analyst never agree or accepted curry , cuz this baby face assassin play b-ball when Bron era and KD era 🤦♂, plus this dude is 6'3"
Marcellus is absolutely right, you can tell Steph's story without kd but you can't tell kd's story without Steph, I like how they keep saying without kd Steph wouldn't have had 4 chips and yes that's true currently, but if we're going buy present times without any if, if kd didn't join Steph he'd be known more for blowing a 3-1 lead to steph and for getting swept buy the Boston Celtics in the first round a Boston Celtics team that Steph ends up beating in 6 games at their house to win his second ring and first finals MVP and at that point, kd would have no rings no finals MVPs and Steph would have 2 rings and 1 finals mvp
Y'all can't talk lebron without saying Anthony Davis. Or dwyande wade. People change stuff to suit they analyist but that personal. These analyst telling they personal truth. Not the truth.
Replace KD with Steph on this Warriors team and they don't even make the finals. Kd is not better than Steph. He just got destroyed by the same team Steph exploded on.
You make it seem like KD a bum just because he had a bad series this season. KD definitely taking this warriors to the finals.
If we replace KD with Steph on nets team......will nets win.........don't think so.........bloody state has so many scorers......
@@shergill4301 They would definitely get out the 1st round. Dude is not a winner. Lebron is also his father
Lost some respect for Tmac. I can understand Steph not being in someone’s top ten but to have KD at 9 is just blasphemous. Steph is definitely ahead of Durant and it shouldn’t even be a discussion. These people are either stupid or just hating. T mac probably salty he has no rings so he’s looking at all nba selections as a way to put KD over Steph.
KD is top 10 just like Steph
Rings is team achievement so it makes sense to me.
@@akilanratnam1499 ALL stats are team achievements. Ugh.
@@terrellevans9079 no man kd ain’t even close he’s never won a ring in his own system . A system built for him them warriors rings made curry look better and people don’t get that .
@@BonesDMS4life when you talk about 2010s era of basketball 3 names u have to mention is KD,Lebron and Steph. Off talent ability he may be the best ever with him 7ft with his talent ability and efficiency. He literally is smokin anybody in 1on1 because he gonna have some type of advantage against his opponent. Plus his resume is solidified. No need to name it because we all know. KD is literally one of the greatest players the world has ever seen and everybody know. KD is top 5 honestly if we going of talent and resume but that's the truth. The media might not say this but real basketball fans know what's up with KD. Also ask nba players about him they'll tell u. You can find it right on RUclips
Every other player played like someone else. Only few played the game like the way they played it and everyone else tried to copy them. Steph, MJ, Kareem, Pistol Pete, Larry Bird, Shaq, etc....These guys changed the Game. Kobe played like Mike even though he was amazing.
Steph Curry is a top ten player, PERIOD!
Putting kd over steph on any list is just hate. People blame Russ for them loosing a 3-1 lead to the warriors but if Russ was soo bad OKC would have never even gone up 3-1 or even gone to the finals the previous year. Some how people give kd a pass, they blame Russ for kd not having a championship in okc and blame kyrie for the nets.
i definitely think there are better individual skilled players than Curry, but the way he carried the warriors to a dynasty not just elevating his teammates on the court but elevating a whole franchise is why he deserves a top 10 spot
“KD prove you it’s not” KD hasn’t won a championship since he left golden state 😂
KD hasn’t won a championship BEFORE Golden State Either! 😤
If Kyrie won 🏆 before his small forward Lebron, with Bron, and after Bron, that would impact Brons legacy. Now steph won a ring before his small forward KD, with KD, and after KD. Case closed.
I think the best way to tell who the best basketball players in terms of top 10 players are these: You need to look if he is the engine of the team, if he is the leader of the team and how much of an impact he has on the team's winning multiple championships.
Happy father's day. Just moved by Steph and his family. His father hugging him. Same thing with Klay and Gary. Jordan loved his dad. Noticed how most of the stable greats have great fathers to lean on. Some overcome without it. To all the fathers out there, bless you and your family.
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I was with Cel on this one until he showed his list… KD top 10…? Top 10..? and OVER Kobe…? No way Cel… no way
Steph has changed the game period.
TMac didn’t shut down Kobe at 10 and KD over Kobe??? Can’t believe TMac didn’t say a word about that
Kobe is around 10th. If you see it objectively he’s top 8-10. Now, the KD over Kobe part is blasphemy and disrespect
@@angelaquino6755 Kobe is higher than 10th bruh he’s top 5
@@amenx Tell me how's he above MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Bill Russell and Bird, even Tim Duncan has an argument for being above Kobe (I have Kobe ahead of him tho)... I'm waiting.
@@angelaquino6755 kobe beat magic and bos who beat lechock's 60+ win teams in the finals. kobe has always played better than tim and won just as much. tim never 2 peated and had stacked super team every year. imagine if kobe had that instead of brown, luke, smush and starters. lmao
@@angelaquino6755 only players that have an argument are Jordan, Kareem and Russell. Lebron is completely overrated and doesn’t belong in the conversation yet he only has 4 titles. Magic had another top 5 player in Kareem. Kobe played in the toughest era has a three peat and a back to back. He’s offensively and defensively better than everyone on the list except jordan. Even magic said kobe is the greatest laker. The guy that throws the whole list off is bronze.
i love wiley, but i cannot put KD over Kobe. so sir. kobe is the 2nd greatest SG of all time behind Jordan. then Wade is 3rd
i agree with this
This is the first time I've ever agreed with Ocho, Tmac doesn't quite have the mind of a top 20 all-time NBA athlete, Shaq told him he should've never won the MVP over TD back in 03-04
Tmac favors kd cuz kd favors him.... Players hate on steph because he's an anomaly a 1of1.
I think put it this way, all the players have different reasons as well as the collection of hardware that get them in. KD is a better player one on one, but Curry has proven he's just better all around. First KDs thunder has been perennially beaten by both Lebron and Curry. Then, he failed horribly after leaving albeit coming back from injury. Maybe next year w Kyrie he can gain back his seat, but his track record is still deeply marred.
13:54 He literally said LeBron didn't have to say he needed another MVP to win. This guy forgot about the Big 3 team up in Miami when Wade was already considered the next MJ lol. Mind you Wade never won a league MVP but he did win a Finals MVP before the team up.
How can Wiley have KD over Kobe
Kobe is now accomplished on defense by far and offensively I don't see KD breaking Kobes scoring records even tho he is arguably as good of a scorer and kobe have 5 rings to KD's 2 including a 3peat and a Repeat
Cause he a hater
Kobe
playoffs
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@Nosbel Olivera ppl talk about the 3 yrs with KD Kobe had 8 yrs with Shaq and still got busted by Detroit 4-1
@Nosbel Olivera Chauncey Rip Ben Raheem Tayshuan was rookie nobody was an all-star and nobody average over 18 points a game Payton and Malone was along for the ride 2 top 10 players and Phil Jackson and you wanna compare KD 3 yrs and Klay Thompson against Kobe and Shaq? Really
@@Storm-uo3wr Kobe was traded to that system and had to prove he could win without Shaq. He went the the finals 3 times in a row without him and won twice. Why you acting like that didn’t happen?
I love this argument…. I mean he a good analyst for that …. You can’t put Kd over Steph in an all time list … just can’t
It makes 0 fn sense how the dude with the bald head says that curry needed kd for those extra 2 to be in the top 10 conversation but has kd in his top 10 when kd needed steph for those 2 that he has as well, plus curry has 2 more without kd💀so how is kd above steph in your list .I see why draymond hate the new media
Kd got swept in the playoffs curry didn't
If Kobe is on a team with any of them except Mj he is gunna be the one with the ball period. Acho if Kobe played with Magic he would be setting him up to score. Kobe over Magic and Magic even said so. Kobe is GOAT
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Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe
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Rings
Jordan 6✔️
Kobe 5
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Finals Mvps
Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
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League Mvps
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 1
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Total Mvps (league and finals)
Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 3
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Scoring titles
Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)
Kobe 2
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Steals leader
Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)
Kobe 0
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All defensive first team selections
Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️
Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%
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Defensive player of year
Jordan 1✔️ (1988)
Kobe 0
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Career Steals
Jordan 2,514✔️
Kobe 1,944
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Career blocks
Jordan 893✔️
Kobe 640
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Seasons played
Kobe 20
Jordan 15
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Points per game (regular season)
Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)
Kobe 24.99
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Player efficiency rating
Jordan 1st all time ✔️
Kobe 24th all time
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Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career
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Seasons average +30 ppg
Jordan 8✔️
Kobe 3
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Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg
Jordan 5✔️
Kobe 0
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3point% (NBA finals)
Jordan 36.8%✔️
Kobe 31.4%
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Playoff game winning buzzer beaters
Jordan 3✔️
Kobe 1
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Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie
Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️
Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%
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Jordan way better player then Kobe
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Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
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1991 NBA finals
Bulls 4 Lakers 1
First ring
Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp
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2000 NBA finals
Lakers 4 Pacers 2
First ring
Kobe 15.6 pts and 36.7% fg an 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38.0 pts and 61.1% fg an 16 rebs and finals mvp
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Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option
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Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times
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2004 NBA finals
Pistons 4 Lakers 1
Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince
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2004 NBA finals
Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
Exactly!!
Kobe should be top 3
James Jackson you slecting stats that's pretty sad Kobe was the mvp in those spurs and kings series and everybody new that was the real nba finals shaq had the better mismatch in those finals Kobe dealing with you could play anywhere on defence it's not about the game it's all favoritism
@@JamesJackson-iq8jw Kobe played in the toughest era. Kobe’s greatness is beyond stats sir.
Steph Curry is greater than Kevin Durant... Just like you said his most amazing skill is his unselfishness why can't people see that I don't understand