You also have to realize characters like Shaggy, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc have armor moves. Meaning if this gets added you have to deal with both their shield AND armor, effectively making them untouchable.
Needs to be shield stun. To me the biggest problem from day 1 of beta till now is the fact that no matter how low or late you do an aerial, the full attack will go out and have you hover above the ground. That and just the general flatness of once you initiate an aerial, it just makes you float relatively in space, and minimizes gravity and previous momentum
I myself feel like the complaints about shield are overblown. It is not a "I use this and I win the game option". Staying in shield uses dodge meter, which is your defense and mobility. There is literally a universal shield break which comes out fast and will be implemented better since they've already shown off shorthopping and fastfalling making movement a lot faster and smoother. In the hour or 2 I played with Shields I always felt that when I got hit by a shield breaker it was my own fault and it was a mindgame. Not to mention some aerials are just inherintly less safe (IG Nair) and should be used more sparingly which shields definitely do allow for. There's enough counterplay, people are just not wanting to adapt (HardcoreFox I'm looking at you)
Yeah I think people just aren't used to the shield breaker and don't use it leading them to believe that shields are unbeatable. I also think that some movesmoves that do really well against shirld like Taz tornado that just eats your shield if you try to block it.
This is a problem in the whole genre. It all stems from Smash Brawl that made 99.99% of moves minus, even in Ultimate and Rivals 2 95% of moves are minus on shield. If come from 2D fighters, you can notice this easily. You are the only one to notice this in over 5 years.
I hope this game doesn’t die again It’s a really cool idea but the game design at its core is so awkward. Weird hitboxes the input delay they have in between moves make the game feel so slow. The game has so much potential but it’s being limited 🙏🏾
Listen I understand playing aggressively and I used to hate shields because of how aggressive I was. But in this game you need them sometimes because some characters are broken and defensive options would make that better to play against.
I would argue many of the games core issues are because of the lack of a universal block mechanic. The reason why characters like Morty or Shaggy are so frustrating to play against is because of a lack of good options against their kits. For example, when Shaggy is about to kick you, you have two options: A. Jump over him, or B. Try to dodge it. Well, in case A you will generally be too slow so most players would go for option B. In option B's case, even if you time the dodge properly you still are generally not going to have enough time to punish Shaggy due to the distance of the kick. Because you are unable to punish said kick, Shaggy will continue to spam it. Shields solves this by giving the player extra options to deal with annoying moves such as Shaggy's kick. Now instead of having to time a dodge against a predictable move, I am now able to block said option and punish with my own option. One of the biggest complaints about current Multiversus how frustrating it can be and a big reason for that is the lack of options the game has when you are against predictable, spammable options like Shaggy's kick (Morty's dirt and Taz tornado are also applicable). Giving the player more options in combat is a good thing.
dudes looked at rivals and thought "damn this games amazing!! i wonder what made it good. is it the well designed characters? the speed? the accesibility? the lack of predatory marketing teqniques? the good netcode? the transparent roadmap? characters being free and unlocked? no no!! its the shields!!!"
@@Mewzuw fucking obviously they have to add grabs, any kind of blocking/shielding mechanic in a fighting game needs a way to get through it, and grabbing has universally been that since street fighter 2
@@MorbyLol they did add some kind of shield breaking mechanic but it's not that great. the funny part is that only some characters have grabs on their kit so the mechanic is much less universal, idk what they were thinking honestly
I don't think shields will fix this game, but I do think it's a step in the right direction. Granted, they need about 30 more steps in order for this game to be actually good, but hey, a start is a start.
Good points. ❤ There’s still hit boxes and I hate the auto tech. Just gives us a button. I almost forgot about those problems, that you for addressing them.
Biggest issue imo about adding shields is what makes Steven universe unique to play then? Why was it not a design from the start? I like MVS but the dev team is uncertain if it wants to be casual party game or comp platform fighter. Not willing to stick around to find out. Too many other actually well designed games to spend my time on. Best of luck to those of you who actually wanna stick it out.
Idk man, everytime i play this it just feel sooooo sluggish Anytime i play any other game and come back to this game it makes Multiversus feel so slow. It just feels like u move slow and every move u do come out slow. I just dont know how they had a game that felt so smooth and responsive in the beta and changed the whole game bruh. I know they say its for the viewing experience but most fighting games and platform fighters move pretty fast so i dont even understand that. I used to like this game a lot, it gave a lot of freedom when it came too your combo routes and method of play, for example i used the balloons and bombs Harley has as field control and combo extensions. But if try to play that same way the balloon flies up, i pull out the bomb really slowly and detonate it slowly, its way harder to follow up if they actually get hit but the balloon since i move slower, i try to use dair and harley slowly moves down. TLDR; game feeling like your trudging through mud everytime i try to play game
Thank you! Ive been trying so hard to tell the devs and the people that play this game that shields are terrible and should not be added! Im relieved that at least some people arenet happy with them, and hopefully they just scrap the idea because its so controversial.
Let's say shields like made multiversus better but that still doesn't solve the horrible match making,horrible balance,the fact that buying 3 legendary skins is enough for a triple A game or the stages being boring
You also have to realize characters like Shaggy, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc have armor moves. Meaning if this gets added you have to deal with both their shield AND armor, effectively making them untouchable.
There is a literal universal shield break mechanic for every character
Another idea I'm not shocked this incompetent development team didn't add was grabs. That could have been a good counter for shield spammers
oh so all the talk about testing it and getting people's feedbacks aren't considered. I see
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Needs to be shield stun. To me the biggest problem from day 1 of beta till now is the fact that no matter how low or late you do an aerial, the full attack will go out and have you hover above the ground. That and just the general flatness of once you initiate an aerial, it just makes you float relatively in space, and minimizes gravity and previous momentum
I myself feel like the complaints about shield are overblown. It is not a "I use this and I win the game option". Staying in shield uses dodge meter, which is your defense and mobility. There is literally a universal shield break which comes out fast and will be implemented better since they've already shown off shorthopping and fastfalling making movement a lot faster and smoother. In the hour or 2 I played with Shields I always felt that when I got hit by a shield breaker it was my own fault and it was a mindgame. Not to mention some aerials are just inherintly less safe (IG Nair) and should be used more sparingly which shields definitely do allow for. There's enough counterplay, people are just not wanting to adapt (HardcoreFox I'm looking at you)
Yeah I think people just aren't used to the shield breaker and don't use it leading them to believe that shields are unbeatable. I also think that some movesmoves that do really well against shirld like Taz tornado that just eats your shield if you try to block it.
This is a problem in the whole genre. It all stems from Smash Brawl that made 99.99% of moves minus, even in Ultimate and Rivals 2 95% of moves are minus on shield. If come from 2D fighters, you can notice this easily.
You are the only one to notice this in over 5 years.
I hope this game doesn’t die again It’s a really cool idea but the game design at its core is so awkward. Weird hitboxes the input delay they have in between moves make the game feel so slow. The game has so much potential but it’s being limited 🙏🏾
Listen I understand playing aggressively and I used to hate shields because of how aggressive I was. But in this game you need them sometimes because some characters are broken and defensive options would make that better to play against.
Shields should 100 percent be added not even debatable
I would argue many of the games core issues are because of the lack of a universal block mechanic. The reason why characters like Morty or Shaggy are so frustrating to play against is because of a lack of good options against their kits.
For example, when Shaggy is about to kick you, you have two options: A. Jump over him, or B. Try to dodge it. Well, in case A you will generally be too slow so most players would go for option B. In option B's case, even if you time the dodge properly you still are generally not going to have enough time to punish Shaggy due to the distance of the kick. Because you are unable to punish said kick, Shaggy will continue to spam it.
Shields solves this by giving the player extra options to deal with annoying moves such as Shaggy's kick. Now instead of having to time a dodge against a predictable move, I am now able to block said option and punish with my own option.
One of the biggest complaints about current Multiversus how frustrating it can be and a big reason for that is the lack of options the game has when you are against predictable, spammable options like Shaggy's kick (Morty's dirt and Taz tornado are also applicable). Giving the player more options in combat is a good thing.
Yeah always being plus is a problem, having to learn which attacks can be punished on shield is a part of the skill factor
good vid, just gotta get a new mic, it sounds alittle rough
Yea something happened with my audio once I rendered video. 😭😭
It will too, any OP move and attack will be mostly be countered by shields while they fix It, plus bad characters will have a better fighting chance
dudes looked at rivals and thought "damn this games amazing!! i wonder what made it good. is it the well designed characters? the speed? the accesibility? the lack of predatory marketing teqniques? the good netcode? the transparent roadmap? characters being free and unlocked? no no!! its the shields!!!"
Loool, imagine if they add grabs next update
@@Mewzuw fucking obviously they have to add grabs, any kind of blocking/shielding mechanic in a fighting game needs a way to get through it, and grabbing has universally been that since street fighter 2
@@MorbyLol they did add some kind of shield breaking mechanic but it's not that great. the funny part is that only some characters have grabs on their kit so the mechanic is much less universal, idk what they were thinking honestly
@@Mewzuw not to mention multihit moves like black adams lightning blast right through it
I don't think shields will fix this game, but I do think it's a step in the right direction. Granted, they need about 30 more steps in order for this game to be actually good, but hey, a start is a start.
Good points. ❤ There’s still hit boxes and I hate the auto tech. Just gives us a button. I almost forgot about those problems, that you for addressing them.
if they add shields i'm actually going to be so sad.
Yall so silly b, shields is 100% needed in this game
nothing will fix the game. It is an awful floatie brawlhalla mess
Biggest issue imo about adding shields is what makes Steven universe unique to play then? Why was it not a design from the start? I like MVS but the dev team is uncertain if it wants to be casual party game or comp platform fighter. Not willing to stick around to find out. Too many other actually well designed games to spend my time on. Best of luck to those of you who actually wanna stick it out.
...The fact that you can also shield in the air, I suppose?
Great video
Idk man, everytime i play this it just feel sooooo sluggish
Anytime i play any other game and come back to this game it makes Multiversus feel so slow. It just feels like u move slow and every move u do come out slow.
I just dont know how they had a game that felt so smooth and responsive in the beta and changed the whole game bruh. I know they say its for the viewing experience but most fighting games and platform fighters move pretty fast so i dont even understand that.
I used to like this game a lot, it gave a lot of freedom when it came too your combo routes and method of play, for example i used the balloons and bombs Harley has as field control and combo extensions. But if try to play that same way the balloon flies up, i pull out the bomb really slowly and detonate it slowly, its way harder to follow up if they actually get hit but the balloon since i move slower, i try to use dair and harley slowly moves down.
TLDR; game feeling like your trudging through mud everytime i try to play game
Wawawa just get good at the game bro 😂
Ew
I stop playing multiversus since they nerf t&j to the ground. Rn I’m at the rival 2 wagon
With the release of rivals 2, multiversus is officially dead.
Thank you! Ive been trying so hard to tell the devs and the people that play this game that shields are terrible and should not be added! Im relieved that at least some people arenet happy with them, and hopefully they just scrap the idea because its so controversial.
Let's say shields like made multiversus better but that still doesn't solve the horrible match making,horrible balance,the fact that buying 3 legendary skins is enough for a triple A game or the stages being boring
Yea game pretty ass but the skins doesn’t matter since the game is free
rivals 2 is out this game is cooked