Good luck with that. ATS is the only brand transmission I will not sell or install at my shop. They will probably build you a quality trans since its a highly publicized build though. One of my many dealings with them is I had one customer drive all the way there from the east coast twice, once to have the transmission installed and once again for warranty. After it got back here, we tried to warranty a couple times, ended up putting a suncoast in and no problems 6 years later. I sold him the suncoast at my cost and installed it for free because I felt so sorry for this old man, he turned into a great customer. That is one of 8 stories I personally know of. I really try not bash a company, we all have off days but they seem to go out of there way not to help you.
Great customer service on your part if you don’t do that pretty soon word gets around and you don’t have any customers left as in some comments here about ATS.
I love gale banks videos…. Although I looked at ats for my 2020 68rfe that went at only 8k miles. Everybody told me the warranty is horrible and the 5 year isn’t worth it because it rarely gets backed. Ended up getting it overhauled with all suncoast parts everything so far is perfect and all warranty costs covered. ( no labor and shipping charges if something goes wrong)
It sounds like these guys are taking everything I love about my Allison transmission and making it better! I'd love to drive this truck when it's finished!!!
I got a quote once,from ATS, to put an auto in place of my nv4500. I did not go through with it, but they were very helpful, knowing I probably wouldn’t do it.
We have thousands and thousands of satisfied customers but can assure you that we take our seldom failures very seriously. All we can do is invest in cutting edge machines to make billet parts, top of the line testing equipment to test solenoids; valve body's and three dyno's, to run each trans before ship, and most of all, in the people to assemble them properly and build in quality. Did you have an issue with a product you purchased from ATS?
@@ATSDieselPerformance I decided to not purchase from ATS from the many stories I’ve heard on multiple forums or pages. I have no personal experience with them so I did not make any negative comments or talk poorly of them. Just hoping that they have better luck that people complain about the Purple trans.
@@timmelton4358 never heard that one. Just people going they multiple transmission before one works. Or issues with warranty or parts warranty’s. I have no experience with these transmission so I can’t speak poorly about them. Just have seen a lot of negative
This whole series has disappointed me. Gale has suddenly turned his channel into just another infomercial for overpriced crap that can be found cheaper and of better quality elsewhere.
@@rb89509 that’s literally what Banks is 😂😂 The only thing of banks that I kept was the complete intake,tubes and intercooler for my 5.9 when I pushed it over 1000hp. Toners, “pedal monster” 😂 99% of everything else is just trash with a brand name stuck on it.
I have never used ATS but heard a lot of stories. I am sure this particular transmission will be assembled with extra care if it is being handed over to a high profile customer.
Good moring, this is Richard back at ya, today we've got Gale's Alison, it's got all the goodies and a paint job so maybe it really does. ...... We'll get this thing all straightened up, y'all have a great day.
ATS of course is gunna build a good one for the Banks crew BUT for the rest of us they’re trash USED be good but quality went down a lot in the past years. Hate to bash them but it’s necessary so maybe they’ll get back on track.
The drivability of a clutch that's going to hold back 1,200hp is beyond terrible. The stronger the clutch the bigger pain they are to drive and that's going to hurt sales. Its why the manual Cummins is detuned with 200+ less torque than the automatics and was canceled a few year back.
Mr. Banks, I enjoyed the video, but must confess, I had to watch it a couple times, my eyes would glaze over from all the technical jargon. This is why I had to watch a second time, to make sure I didn't miss anything....
ATS does not have a good reputation in the industry, so I’m very surprised by Banks willingness to partner with them. Although I do not have experience with ATS, I’m certainly willing to keep an open mind, but their reputation does not bode well for a successful build.
You think the square tab patent is the reason Gale is partnering with them? I know a few guys who think like Gale and ATS having an ace(s?) up their sleeve is the only reason that makes sense given the circumstance.
Banks, would have liked to see you use someone local and a true pioneer to the Allison trans aftermarket build. Inglewood transmission would’ve been my vote for you. Mike Lovrich knows this trans better. Good luck though with your choice
ATS is watching the comments. They are asking negative commenters about their experience and reach out and try to solve what they were unhappy about. That's really badas-. Good for you... I really enjoyed this video.
Fuck them, they've screwed people over so damn hard it's not even funny. Actually deal with them and see how much smoke they can blow up your ass. In the end it's not there fault even tho they don't know how to properly build a transmission because they know very little about what makes it better and what makes it worse. They just think billet and more is better and in the end it is not
@@OGskunkMASTA I have never used ATS or had any experience with them. I was only making an observation. The banks team will certainly push their transmission and they will be honest about it's capabilities.
@@OGskunkMASTA we have actively been putting people in place to improve our customers service and our quality overall. With certain transmissions billet parts are the only way to fix hydraulic issues and billet shafts are the only way to keep a shaft from breaking under higher power levels. Not sure what you're referring to there. Have you personally had an issue with one of our products?
As a Millwright; You know a guy knows his equipment and metallurgy when he can explain the failure modes in order of power and use case... If I ever build something like this I'll be getting an ATS..
All the people trashing ATS- what’s your actual experience with ATS? I’m in the middle of a build and want to know why Gale Banks went ATS but you wouldn’t.
Look up precision transmissions ats teardown, it aligns perfectly with the experiences my friends have had with their products. I'm putting an ATS pan on my tranny, I'm not bashing the company as a whole, just know what you are getting is my advice.
Poor build quality, lesser parts then what your STOCK transmission has, modifying the wrong parts of transmissions (adding clutches where they don't need to be, taking wave rings out for solid rings and causing the transmission to beat itself to death), the warranty is "good" but that's because they're broken all the time and half the time they WILL not cover the transmission since you did it yourself of they don't like the transmission shops you dealt with and say they're "lying". Sad all 3 dodge guys I know had the SAME problem with there transmissions from ATS and none of them lasted a fucking year. 5r110w behind our built 6.4 cruiser/hauler. Stock trans lasted 178k miles.....ATS......less than 7k.... Waste your money if you want, cheaper isn't better. There's a reason there transmissions are so cheap, don't make the same mistake me and many others have.
They don’t back there warranty it’s a lot of fine print. I’m on my 3rd throttle Body and 5th throttle position sensor and they haven’t covered any labor costs from my mechanic and also haven’t took responsibility for the TPS going bad
Not using an engine driven dry sump pump and a super skinny transmission pan is a missed opportunity to make a world´s first bad a$$ Allison IMO. You could so make it happen. Be a trend-setter. Be the first :D
@@ATSDieselPerformance I had to sell the truck , It was undrivable, stage 4 dodge ram 2500 , the worst experience , transmission wouldn't stay in gear , going down hill with a load and it would go to neutral. Then the torque converter wouldn't let go and stall the truck, I ended up buy a 2019 Ram 3500 , and going to stay with stock transmission , they seem to do the job better than any after market built one, it stays in gear on the downhills, 100,000 mile warranty, I make sure I tell everyone that after market stuff doesn't last and never works correctly.
@@AmarilloHorseSports not all aftermarket is junk. People tend to go aftermarket to hold higher power levels, with higher power levels you will naturally get more wear and tear.
Putting a ATS transmission in my truck was the biggest mistake I have ever made. They are junk and they don’t back there Warranty. Rough shifting, can’t figure it what gear it needs to be in it down shifts randomly. Junk Junk Junk
From my understanding, get rid of the GM programing and get Allison's stand alone controller. The difference, again from everything I've seen, is a few 100k miles of longevity.
Years of stuff that is trashed. That 5 star torque converter I still have setting in the shop didn't have 40k miles on it with a 450hp bone stock LB7, no lift pump even. Towed maybe twice that was heavier than a zero turn lawn mower. Everyone that had Suncoast converters with Alto clutches the trans would last longer than the engines in front of them.
@@duramaxtothemax we will still honor your warranty if you bought the converter, even if the time period has past. Please email me and I will see what all I can do. Blake@atsdiesel.com
@@ATSDieselPerformance I have no experience with ATS, but while doing my research and deciding where to drop 15k in parts I never read stories like I did with Mike L from inglewood transmission. Mike L was known to be available for diy guys and known to come through in a clutch. His work always is 💯. FOR EVERYONE. You don't have to be Banks to get special treatment.
An alleged 48RE out of a 2007 Cummins powered Dodge Ram. As we see, using sub standard parts won't last in this application. It is a pretty pan though. ruclips.net/video/27cSE5e9JTw/видео.html
Good luck with that. ATS is the only brand transmission I will not sell or install at my shop. They will probably build you a quality trans since its a highly publicized build though. One of my many dealings with them is I had one customer drive all the way there from the east coast twice, once to have the transmission installed and once again for warranty. After it got back here, we tried to warranty a couple times, ended up putting a suncoast in and no problems 6 years later. I sold him the suncoast at my cost and installed it for free because I felt so sorry for this old man, he turned into a great customer. That is one of 8 stories I personally know of. I really try not bash a company, we all have off days but they seem to go out of there way not to help you.
Great customer service on your part if you don’t do that pretty soon word gets around and you don’t have any customers left as in some comments here about ATS.
Hah go watch the most recent video of him building the transmission
I love gale banks videos…. Although I looked at ats for my 2020 68rfe that went at only 8k miles. Everybody told me the warranty is horrible and the 5 year isn’t worth it because it rarely gets backed. Ended up getting it overhauled with all suncoast parts everything so far is perfect and all warranty costs covered. ( no labor and shipping charges if something goes wrong)
Whats you think is a good transmission for a diesel if not a ats
@@braveheart2785 If you want an off the shelf trans, Revmax. Personally I'd find a performance trans builder and have one build for your needs.
Great video on the ATS product and build for this project.
It sounds like these guys are taking everything I love about my Allison transmission and making it better! I'd love to drive this truck when it's finished!!!
Id like to either have 1 of these or a 10L90 on my 4.8 LS
precision transmissions...anyone eles get here from there
Seen their video on a broken ats
I got a quote once,from ATS, to put an auto in place of my nv4500. I did not go through with it, but they were very helpful, knowing I probably wouldn’t do it.
6👍's up Mr Power thanks again for taking us all along with you for the great build
Sure hope you have better luck with that ATS than most that runs them do. Excited to see if it will hold.
He is kind of a scammer I hear. Parts designed and not paid for...etc.
BANKS WILL GET HIS VERY BEST OF COURSE FOR THE EXPOSURE HE IS GETTING......
We have thousands and thousands of satisfied customers but can assure you that we take our seldom failures very seriously. All we can do is invest in cutting edge machines to make billet parts, top of the line testing equipment to test solenoids; valve body's and three dyno's, to run each trans before ship, and most of all, in the people to assemble them properly and build in quality. Did you have an issue with a product you purchased from ATS?
@@timmelton4358 We design our parts in house. Not sure what you're referring to, first time hearing of this...
@@ATSDieselPerformance I decided to not purchase from ATS from the many stories I’ve heard on multiple forums or pages. I have no personal experience with them so I did not make any negative comments or talk poorly of them. Just hoping that they have better luck that people complain about the Purple trans.
@@timmelton4358 never heard that one. Just people going they multiple transmission before one works. Or issues with warranty or parts warranty’s. I have no experience with these transmission so I can’t speak poorly about them. Just have seen a lot of negative
Kid at 2:03 is owning that mullet!
I’ve never clicked on a banks video and not learned something!
I laughed soooooo hard when he said he likes driveability and longevity because it's the TOTAL opposite of what you get from ATS🤣🤣🤣
This whole series has disappointed me. Gale has suddenly turned his channel into just another infomercial for overpriced crap that can be found cheaper and of better quality elsewhere.
😂😂😂 Neither of you could be more wrong.
@@coreymacqueen4802 says the nut swinger lmao🤣
@@rb89509 that’s literally what Banks is 😂😂 The only thing of banks that I kept was the complete intake,tubes and intercooler for my 5.9 when I pushed it over 1000hp. Toners, “pedal monster” 😂 99% of everything else is just trash with a brand name stuck on it.
@waterishdrake8693 99% of Banks is intake, coolers, and tubes, which is what you have.😂 But the stuff you can't afford is junk...I get it.
It's nice to look at renders and plans and the finished product, but this is the nerdy stuff I subscribed for.
Purple paint of death.
I have never used ATS but heard a lot of stories. I am sure this particular transmission will be assembled with extra care if it is being handed over to a high profile customer.
I learn so much from Banks (and friends)
Good moring, this is Richard back at ya, today we've got Gale's Alison, it's got all the goodies and a paint job so maybe it really does.
......
We'll get this thing all straightened up, y'all have a great day.
ATS of course is gunna build a good one for the Banks crew BUT for the rest of us they’re trash USED be good but quality went down a lot in the past years. Hate to bash them but it’s necessary so maybe they’ll get back on track.
Prolly not
Why no manual love? Nothing beats that third pedal and grabbing a gear for sheer smiles.
The drivability of a clutch that's going to hold back 1,200hp is beyond terrible. The stronger the clutch the bigger pain they are to drive and that's going to hurt sales. Its why the manual Cummins is detuned with 200+ less torque than the automatics and was canceled a few year back.
Mr. Banks, I enjoyed the video, but must confess, I had to watch it a couple times, my eyes would glaze over from all the technical jargon. This is why I had to watch a second time, to make sure I didn't miss anything....
The ATS guy did an excellent job explaining things!
ATS does not have a good reputation in the industry, so I’m very surprised by Banks willingness to partner with them. Although I do not have experience with ATS, I’m certainly willing to keep an open mind, but their reputation does not bode well for a successful build.
You think the square tab patent is the reason Gale is partnering with them?
I know a few guys who think like Gale and ATS having an ace(s?) up their sleeve is the only reason that makes sense given the circumstance.
I've been waiting for this!
Much better on the announcing! That ATS guy talked as fast as Ben Shapiro! 😂
Good info on the Allison trans, great video.
Good info if you have no clue what you're talking about
Banks, would have liked to see you use someone local and a true pioneer to the Allison trans aftermarket build. Inglewood transmission would’ve been my vote for you. Mike Lovrich knows this trans better. Good luck though with your choice
Mike sold his shop and retired.
@@ColeTrickle_51 damn. I need to give him a call so we can catch up then
That dyno girl has huge eyelashes....
Thank you man...I went through 135 comments before someone mentioned the dyno's.
Another Transmission Soon
a.k.a. ANOTHER TRANSMISSION SWAP.
ATS has or had the worst torque converters and transmission clutches ever built. I wouldn't buy a dog house from them.
Who do you buy from then?
I had mine built locally with gmax, Suncoast stuff.
One Kool Dude. Love The Purple Color, Great 👍 Voice.
ATS at one time was king, but have fallen out of favor. I am curious with Banks giving them a boost will improve them back to the top.
What is a good transmission brand?
8:02 i see a 7.3 powerstroke with an allison behind it.
CAConversions has done it
Oh yeah let’s roll
Hi, great videos, great series. One thing that bothers me is why you put the dust effect on some of the b-roll stuff? Or did you get it pre-ruined?
ATS is watching the comments. They are asking negative commenters about their experience and reach out and try to solve what they were unhappy about. That's really badas-. Good for you... I really enjoyed this video.
Fuck them, they've screwed people over so damn hard it's not even funny. Actually deal with them and see how much smoke they can blow up your ass. In the end it's not there fault even tho they don't know how to properly build a transmission because they know very little about what makes it better and what makes it worse. They just think billet and more is better and in the end it is not
@@OGskunkMASTA I have never used ATS or had any experience with them. I was only making an observation. The banks team will certainly push their transmission and they will be honest about it's capabilities.
@@OGskunkMASTA we have actively been putting people in place to improve our customers service and our quality overall. With certain transmissions billet parts are the only way to fix hydraulic issues and billet shafts are the only way to keep a shaft from breaking under higher power levels. Not sure what you're referring to there. Have you personally had an issue with one of our products?
As a Millwright; You know a guy knows his equipment and metallurgy when he can explain the failure modes in order of power and use case... If I ever build something like this I'll be getting an ATS..
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Damn his shaft was HUGE
Great vid
Clint has alot of experience good video
Experience messing transmissions up for sure!
Would love to have a real NEED for an Allison Trans.....
What can ATS offer in the Alison 1000 that CA conversion cant
Off topic of the video somewhat... Banks Power SHOULD build a duramax 866T based sled pull truck! In a series of videos like these
Purple!
whats up with the old 7.3 at the 8:00 mark?
Is that a 10 speed I’m not familiar with Allison‘s
This is a 6-speed
Bullet Proof Power House Trans. Only Way To Go, Goliath Needs One.
education and entertainment indeed...
8:00 best light duty diesel engine.
Since these transmissions are purple… it’d be only fitting to also use royal purple transmission fluid!
I learned more from the comment section, wish I didn't watch the whole video now
What a great explanation of the Allison transmission from a very knowledgeable guy, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
@@bankspower stat away from ATS...trust me....I have one...
Jay looked like he was about to pass out when shaft was used like 20 times within 30 seconds
🤣
I hope you have discussed some sort of [Plan B] for the transmission.
Nice👍
Not that the 10 speed Allison branded tranny is needed here, I'm wondering if it is as well built as this 6 speed that allows for these modifications.
It's a good sized shaft. That's what she said.
go run
All the people trashing ATS- what’s your actual experience with ATS? I’m in the middle of a build and want to know why Gale Banks went ATS but you wouldn’t.
Because Gale Banks reps free stuff. When you buy it, go with Suncoast or Goerend, or Millard.
Look up precision transmissions ats teardown, it aligns perfectly with the experiences my friends have had with their products. I'm putting an ATS pan on my tranny, I'm not bashing the company as a whole, just know what you are getting is my advice.
Poor build quality, lesser parts then what your STOCK transmission has, modifying the wrong parts of transmissions (adding clutches where they don't need to be, taking wave rings out for solid rings and causing the transmission to beat itself to death), the warranty is "good" but that's because they're broken all the time and half the time they WILL not cover the transmission since you did it yourself of they don't like the transmission shops you dealt with and say they're "lying". Sad all 3 dodge guys I know had the SAME problem with there transmissions from ATS and none of them lasted a fucking year. 5r110w behind our built 6.4 cruiser/hauler. Stock trans lasted 178k miles.....ATS......less than 7k.... Waste your money if you want, cheaper isn't better. There's a reason there transmissions are so cheap, don't make the same mistake me and many others have.
I have a full billet Allison in my 03 LB7 dually for past 4+ years built by BD DIESEL. Zero problems.
They don’t back there warranty it’s a lot of fine print. I’m on my 3rd throttle Body and 5th throttle position sensor and they haven’t covered any labor costs from my mechanic and also haven’t took responsibility for the TPS going bad
Grandpappy Gale up to no good.
Not using an engine driven dry sump pump and a super skinny transmission pan is a missed opportunity to make a world´s first bad a$$ Allison IMO. You could so make it happen. Be a trend-setter. Be the first :D
We're looking into it.
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Heard alot of bad on these guys, nows your chance to step up.. make it happen
So maybe i missed it but what is it estimated that the stock trans can handle?
Jesus, this guy has forgotten more about the Allison 1000 than what I know about it! He is a wealth of knowledge.
To bad it's a ATS transmission, have fun with that.
Did you have a problem with one of our products? Please give us a chance to make it right if you did.
@@ATSDieselPerformance I had to sell the truck , It was undrivable, stage 4 dodge ram 2500 , the worst experience , transmission wouldn't stay in gear , going down hill with a load and it would go to neutral. Then the torque converter wouldn't let go and stall the truck, I ended up buy a 2019 Ram 3500 , and going to stay with stock transmission , they seem to do the job better than any after market built one, it stays in gear on the downhills, 100,000 mile warranty, I make sure I tell everyone that after market stuff doesn't last and never works correctly.
@@AmarilloHorseSports not all aftermarket is junk. People tend to go aftermarket to hold higher power levels, with higher power levels you will naturally get more wear and tear.
I've seen a lot of people have problems with their transmission.
I would like to see ATS take the GM & Ford, ten speed and make it better.
They'll make it worse
The only thing I got out of this video is "you know."
Bla bla bla.🤣
Suncoast Performance for life!💪🏻
Putting a ATS transmission in my truck was the biggest mistake I have ever made. They are junk and they don’t back there Warranty. Rough shifting, can’t figure it what gear it needs to be in it down shifts randomly. Junk Junk Junk
ATS (another transmission soon)
Awesome vid. I wished my 21 DirtyMax could have had the 6-speed auto. I got the 10-speed. I hope it lasts for me.
Id like to have a 10 speed for my 4.8 LS
From my understanding, get rid of the GM programing and get Allison's stand alone controller. The difference, again from everything I've seen, is a few 100k miles of longevity.
Hey thanks fella's
I can't wait until someone has as much passion for building CVTs as he has for the Alison.
Knows his stuff
It may seem like that if you know nothing
The voiceover is cheesy lol
Y'all trying carbon fiber clutches
👍👏👌
ATS sucks, I hope they have another one standing by when you trash the first one.
Did you have a problem with one of our products?
Years of stuff that is trashed. That 5 star torque converter I still have setting in the shop didn't have 40k miles on it with a 450hp bone stock LB7, no lift pump even. Towed maybe twice that was heavier than a zero turn lawn mower. Everyone that had Suncoast converters with Alto clutches the trans would last longer than the engines in front of them.
@@duramaxtothemax we will still honor your warranty if you bought the converter, even if the time period has past. Please email me and I will see what all I can do. Blake@atsdiesel.com
@@ATSDieselPerformance I have no experience with ATS, but while doing my research and deciding where to drop 15k in parts I never read stories like I did with Mike L from inglewood transmission. Mike L was known to be available for diy guys and known to come through in a clutch. His work always is 💯. FOR EVERYONE. You don't have to be Banks to get special treatment.
An alleged 48RE out of a 2007 Cummins powered Dodge Ram. As we see, using sub standard parts won't last in this application. It is a pretty pan though.
ruclips.net/video/27cSE5e9JTw/видео.html
1200hp. ?? I bet a stock Cummins would trash it. 😭
You're funny.
@@bankspower no....not funny. I'm going thru that now. ATS STAGE 5 behind 600hp Cummins....BASURA!
No one wants a broken or fatigued shaft.
broke an output shaft first
1000 hp seems low for this build...
Pretty doushey to *patent* a durability design. Hate how inventers are in the US. Gross man
The guy looks like hes a roider or taking something.
Very unnatural movements.
Junk
ATS= Trash..
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