I believe the alcohol was used to make Christy (and possibly even Kelly) look like a “drunk” and a bad mother. They kept pushing the narrative that her outbursts were due to her drinking. She was also portrayed as a horrible mother that didn’t take care of her kids and raised them in an abusive home.
@@TeddiCruise-wj6jd Kendall , Sarah ( Christy’s daughter, remember the blowout between Christy and Jess), the og girls when Abby would fuss at them for losing, jojo (the incident when all the girls had made fun of jojo excluding Nia +maddie? and Jess confronted them), anytime there were a fight she would always get the girls out the room, grabbed Kelly’s items and made sure that she got Brooke and Paige out of the competition,(she didn’t say anything this time but her actions) she never would started anything per say but she definitely would assist in the end. Holly and Mackenzie the only ones comforting Brynn (before Ashlee) after that Ashlee and Jill blowout.
I can’t get over Abbey dragging all of these women still. She’s been to jail, she’s lost everything, even Maddie turned against her because of the abuse. She needs to just leave them alone.
@@marvincorre4783 I don’t usually like to compare people’s different experiences with abuse but she definitely abused all of the girls. I merely meant it says a lot that Maddie even cut her out
@@xocnlx3 literally if I would be up for school, at school all day and then dancing till midnight I would like shake and shiver from tiredness. I would probably get hurt from that even if I was maddie
They probably use the parents ignorance against them. They don't live there so how would they know at that moment? It's crazy how the show got away with breaking so many laws and abuse but the moms had problems getting out and with the lawsuits against the show.
I'm not surprised. You could see those kids were tired. Maddie had dark circles under her eyes that make up didn't cover. They cried because they were exhausted then got yelled at for crying.
This video proves one thing and one thing only. Please read and reread you contract before signing it. Because stuff like this can happen. I understand that the original cast was kind of cornered into this mess because of the series being picked up. However after Season 2 there is no excuse for the new cast to not read much more carefully to divert a lot of issues (which is why we only saw the OG moms plus Jill and Kira talk about it IMO). Overall I feel bad that these people were threatened at every corner to do things that they didn’t really want to. I hope the cast is much better off today and hope everyone stays safe Good job on the video like always And as always be good people
I agree. I understand that they were cornered because of the contract, but them signing something without reading it very well and making sure they understand what they're signing up for doesn't make much sense to me. If i didn't have time to read a contract, I'd never sign it... So yes, they we're lied to, but at the same time, they're also at fault.
Abby is such a Karen she can do whatever she wants to you physically and verbally but when someone returns that same energy she calls the cops & files police reports & exaggerates the situation. 🙄🙄
Self defense or not, no physical contact should be allowed in front of children so it’s Kelly’s fault for not bringing it outside of the dressing rooms
@@marvincorre4783 it is half Kelly's fault, and half Abby's. Abby shouldn't have provoked her like that in the first place. Putting your face so close to someone and pretending to bite off their finger isn't something that should be done in front of children either.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 Eh, Kelly and Christi deserved it, Abby abused Chloe but that doesn't justify what Christi did, Christi bullied Kendall, Paige, Maddie and Leslie. She also rarely yelled at Kelly, Kelly disobeyed Abby by not giving her the stocks for the chair.
good looking, rich, business men know how to take advantage of people. it’s ego and terrible morals, especially since everything about this show is abusing children
I feel bad about the sequence of events Abby has gone through, but she still never takes blame for anything. It wasn't her fault she went to prison but the people working for her, blaming the moms for producer tactics and for valuing money while being grossly underpaid, etc. She can never include everyone's struggles, it's only about hers.
And acts like she doesn't know/remember people in the industry if they didn't kiss her tail, telling four and five different versions of same events. Abby is a manipulator plain and simple.
ya like she blames the kids for not speaking to her instead of like... of course they would still talk to her if she didnt cross the line so often with them. thats insane.
Even the guy from Jersey Shore who was convicted of the same thing as Abby was able to admit his mistake, did his time and grew up. Abby won't and can't. She's a narcissist and not capable of taking responsibility for anything. She is the hero or the victim, never the villain.
I could never wrap my mind around the fact that she’d complain about the moms not dropping off the kids and leaving. Then turn around and punish a CHILD because they couldn’t control their parent and force them to be there.
many of the moms, Kira, Jill, Christi, Ashlee, and Holly, were very strict with their kids schooling. Everyone needs a good base education to fall back on if dancing didn't work out. and Notice how those four girls in particular either went back to public school and some went on to college.
If anything good comes out of shows like Dance Moms and Teen Mom and family RUclipsrs, it's that we're finally looking at how children are impacted by reality TV and a forced social media presence. I bet in 5-10 years so many kids are going to come out with horrific behind the scenes stories and be a catalyst to protect future children.
Yes! Yes we are. Thanks to these shows they are shedding a light on child abuse and exploitation within reality television. This is what reality television really is.
Unfortunately, knowledge of this type of company isn't enough. Some parents are so fame hungry that this news may not scare them. Or, some may believe that nothing this bad could ever happen to them. Or, the company is too powerful, with enough money to silence the little people.
Wow I knew the producers were bad but I didn’t think they were THAT bad. Jeff Collins and co are truly disgusting. They saw some mums who had no experience in show business and no idea of the legalities involved, that they could control and a bunch of talented little girls they could exploit. I thought they’d at least care about the children a bit.. like, they’re just little kids ffs and they were pretty much abusing their power over them, making them work 10 hours a day.
Exactly I bet if the moms knew their rights things would have been different. Because in reality no one can force you to do anything, because it's a free country.
when melissa said in the podcast that jeff told her "I own you, I own your car, your house, your KIDS" I got sick to my stomach, who in the hell does he thinks he is to say "I own your kids" disgusting man
@@chichi3183 Melissa or any of the moms at the time didn’t know anything about legalities. They were all too scared to fight back in fear of what producers might do
It doesn’t surprise me that alcohol was offered on set, alcohol loosens up a person and effects their thinking, obviously the crew would want the moms to be intoxicated and not thinking properly to cause drama and fights
After listening to the moms podcast I think I misjudged them quite a bit, especially Melissa. I’m glad they are all friends now and their kids are on good terms.
My overarching takeaway from the podcast is the moms were all good friends and were proud of their kids and the others’ kids… you can really tell they all care not only about their kids but the other kids on the team. It’s actually really sweet.
Ikr she ALWAYS plays the victim even though it’s her fault she did something. Like when the Dance Moms girls don’t talk to her anymore, she acts like she was the sweetest teacher ever and the kids didn’t appreciate her when in reality, she would scream at the girls and made them lose self-confidence and wonders why they no longer talk to her lol.
Depends on contract wording. Reality show contracts pretty much absolve them of responsibility for anything even deaths while pretty much owning the participants. Several people from various reality shows including producers have stated over the years how the contracts have so many loopholes for the producers.
@@nicolecopeland5504 I refuse to believe that producers could sue people for not causing drama. I think the moms weren't educated on legal terms and stuff
@@chichi3183 they probably wouldn't but they could withhold money like the bonuses mentioned. You can bet the producers had everything worded to their advantage.
@@chichi3183 agree!! Watching it back now vs first time and you just see so much and all I think is those poor kids. I dealt with plenty of dance mamas back in the day but we protected the kids.
a video idea i would like to see is about the original cast before dance moms. what was abby like before the show? did the moms still show jealousy before the show? was brooke actually the favorite before the show?
I have a feeling that Abby was fair before the show but that the fame ruined her. I don’t know if she was nice because she literally gave children disgusting things for Christmas, but she was a lot more fair and she didn’t demean anyone to bring anyone else up
If producers are making your life hell and your kids are exhausted, that they are not following child labor laws and it can't exactly be hard to prove, why not all get together and hire a lawyer to sue them ? The moms complain a lot but what did they actually do to try & fight it ? The only one who did anything was Jessalyn Siwa. She digged a little, did her homework, and got out of their worthless contract.
Exactly - they can complain all they want but none of them would have the opportunities they had would it not be for the show. The moms and their podcast - what a farce - they are making money off of fans to try and stay relevant. They say a lot but where is the proof? And Mack Z here is making $$$$ off of all you people who watch these. They have to continue to make up content or blow it out of proportion so they keep getting $$$$$ from youtube.
IKR? They should've done something and actually stood up for themselves and their daughters to stop this illegal shit. But at the same time they where threatened with horrifying shit. Melissa was threatened by that Jeff guy that her kdis, house and car where going to be taken away. So that obviously silenced them from fear.
The other mother didn’t have the same resources . Jessalyn already had a decent amount of money and had a lawyer . The others didn’t . And the Lawyers as the mom said we’re often time paid off or threaten themselves.
I understand why Abby would be upset because the moms were drinking wine in the studio but honestly if I signed something that was only supposed to last 6 days and find out it’s going to last for 6 YEARS I would drink once in a while too
Lawsuits: I feel like the lawsuits went too far on the show, and double ditching with Cathy, paying people to go against the mother's. Alcohol around children: disgusting, if the children, especially younger kids, us absurd. Abide by the rules. Police: I agree with how the police would think it was a thing for the show as that is what dance moms was about. Money matters: I don't understand how reality can be a News thing. I don't change Abby for not wanting to go back to energy, they should have been professional about it. I'm wondering if she only agreed to do dance moms to try and pay off get debt only to never do it. Illegal hours: the produces shouldn't have lied. The mother's w could have even done something about it. I get that dance moms was a reality show but not letting the kids leave until the mother's fought is not right, the show was ment to be about the kids not about the mother's fighting.
I agree with you on everything except the last line. The show is called Dance _Moms_ for reason, and it focuses on the moms fighting about their daughters, it’s not really a show about kids dancing at all
What rules where alcohol can be in same place as kids? Then places like Applebees, Long Horn, outback and etc would not serve alcohol. As long as no one was getting drunk/acting crazy from the alcohol and the kids know no to take it or give the kids a sip then it's fine. The producers only been about the mothers fighting and not dancing. That's why they picked Abby to do a show with
@@annacash6674 You didn't watch the video did you, the rule isn't "alcohol can't be in the same place as kids" but that kids are not allowed to work around alcohol in Pennsylvania (e.g., they cannot work at a bar or around a bar). Also, the producers would purposely feed the moms alcohol to get them more riled up and emotional, that's the point the video was trying to make.
For some reason, I randomly thought « I haven’t seen a MackZ boss video in a while, she must have posted one and I wasn’t aware », so I search for your channel and see that you posted a video 3 hours ago. Apparently I have a 6th sense
Oh my gosh. Did that guy Jeff whatever really threatened to take away Melissa's car, house and goddamn children? Did he really go there? How the hell aren't these producers and directors not arrested and charged? They where abusing and exploiting and tormenting those girls and their mothers. This is flat out abuse. How are they getting away with it. Looks like they are the real villains of the show.
They were just kids. How any production company could overlook the needs of children because tending to their needs doesn't make them a profit....they should all be in jail for child abuse.
I love how deep you look into the stuff! It's so amazing, and yea this show is basically a crime lol, could you do a video on every main scene which was edited to look worse like Brynn has had a better season than Kendall etc etc
And so many people say “why didn’t they just leave” legalities. They were treated awfully and were trapped. Unless they had an extra $100k laying around.
@@SassyCactus86exactly and what people don’t know is every og had a title so if they left the show they would be stripped of their title and fined $100,000 + being sued …
8:04 Abby faking compassion yet again; claims she boycotted a competition because someone called Nia or Kendall a liar, yet all it takes is one YT search to find "YOUR DAUGHTER'S A LITTLE SNEAK!!" "Well maybe [Chloe's] sneaking out to meet a boy." "I could say whatever I wanted and they [Chloe and Christi] couldn't leave!" Honey, stop acting like you cared for those girls. Whatever reason you had for not going to that competition, it had nothing to do with how one of your students was treated...unless it was Maddie, Brynn, Kamryn, or Sophia.
Christi deserved it anyway 🤷♂️, Abby abused Chloe but that doesn’t give Christi excuses and rights to feel hatred towards Maddie, she yelled at Kendall in season7, she talked about Melissa’s affair, made Paige cry, accused Kelly of something she didn’t do and made fun of leslie
@@marvincorre4783 but what did Chloe do to deserve that abuse? don’t forget she made fun of her eye too. in the end Chloe was the one being hurt the most Abby hurt Chloe to hurt Christi. no child deserves that. & no mother deserves to have to stand by & watch there child be verbally abused
Love your channel 💜 Would you do an vid about where the boys dancers from Candy Apples are now, I’ve always wondered if they’ve kept dancing, Lucas was my fav, his best performance was in their chandelier nationals I couldn’t stop watching him he rocked that dance 💜😊🇦🇺
@@laurascott6150 yeah but your bus accidents are super common regardless of the drivers skill level or experience and they were often out driving overnight on slippery Pennsylvania Winter roads
@@laurascott6150 a normal bus is not doing 60+ miles an hour on black ice in the dark on the highway... It's driving on well salted city streets at city speed limits . Even without inclement whether, the odds of getting in a tour bus accident are statistically high and even higher when you are doing it 104 times a year or more.
I have two questions about season two. One is about Kendall's performance during a mid time of a basketball match. It was planned, did the producers arranged it? And in one chapter a competition got cancel. It was the chapter when all the girls had solos. You have said in many videos that they had to register many months before, but they just called another competitons and went there. What about that?
If a producer said that to me I would take up with national media, my congress person, and probably a 20 million dollar lawsuit. It’s a little unbelievable.
Hello I have a video idea: I was wondering if you could do one on the New Orleans fight between Christi and Leslie? I wanna know more about it because it was so edited and so mysterious. Maybe you could uncover it?
Christi and Peyton both talked about it on RUclips. The fight was mostly staged so Christi and the family could go on vacation yet no one told Leslie so she was going 100.
@@prettypatrece yeah but I just wanted to know what they said because you can hear Christi say “sorry I’m a real- DANCE MOM and I’ll stand here” like something between real and dance mom sounds so edited I just wanted to know. Kinda wish they had production notes for season 3.
@@editsoftheday7917 The production told Christi she had to do something big in order to go on vacation. The fight happened without no one telling Leslie. Why Christi is mainly standing there and Leslie is all riled up. You can search Peyton video talking about it and dance moms. I forgot which video Christi mentioned it in since she has so many.
None of this shocks me, what shocks me is the mom's allowed this to go on. The moms signed a contract without taking it to a real lawyer, then they whine about not having time read it, really? Then they stand around and watch as their children are abused, they whine because the producers say they are going to sue, I'd say bring it on, pathetic.
That's what I don't get as well, like it's obvious contract for tv will be strict and have many unpleasant things in it not to mention that it was obvious they will manipulate what they say ,cut out things and put together totally unconnected pieces to create some drama and make them look bad , I am kinda shocked they didn't pay more attention to that cuz Holly was stuck in this hella long , signing something for such a long period of time wasn't smart and I assume they were told what are the consequences of breaking the contract or trying to get out of it,the fact that Cathy said it was clearly stated that they aren't responsible for any accident or even death is a huge red flag itself
Waking up at 4, staying overnight on a bus, working 10 to 12 hours a day that they don’t have time to shower, missing days of school, lying about the time and not letting kids leave until they finished practice but the adults got to leave!?? How is this legal!??
See what I don't understand is, when their contracts expired, why would the mums come back? Like surely Holly and Melissa's contracts from season 1 couldn't last until season 7, they had to have signed back on again.
Abby needs to stop blaming others for why she went to jail. She went to jail because of her own actions, point blank period. The woman has a history of being an absolute idiot when it comes to money. She did something wrong, she got caught, she went to jail. A mature person would just own up and say "yeah, I made a mistake. That was wrong." But she's STILL pushing this narrative that it wasn't her fault. She has such a victim complex it's insane.
The one thing I really hate about Abby is that she never takes responsibility for her actions she blames everyone else but herself . It's just like Holly said the Abby never own up and Holly was right.
I think Melissa still a liar. On the phone in the episode she tells Greg to call their lawyer. She’s a liar. And even in that podcast Kelly and Holly had that “oh, ok girl…” thing that implied they knew she was lying 10 years later.
there could have been number of reasons for Melissa to say call lawyer to Greg given how complicated things where at time it was out of context they took advantage of that. though Melissa does lie here not really.
It’s horrifying that Jeff told a MOTHER that he’d take away her kids… absolutely sickening.
right?! that’s not something u should say to a mother with problems of her own.
Disgusting! honestly I lost so much respect for that man after hearing that
ikr, i heard melissa say that on the mom’s podcast and i was like 😬
Who’s Jeff?
@@Lana-ne8bd the executive producer
I believe the alcohol was used to make Christy (and possibly even Kelly) look like a “drunk” and a bad mother. They kept pushing the narrative that her outbursts were due to her drinking. She was also portrayed as a horrible mother that didn’t take care of her kids and raised them in an abusive home.
@Emily Betliskey she would also do that for the other kids as well. Also Holly and Kelly defended the other kids as well
i think she has a whole video on this
What girl did Holly defend?Never seen her defend Chloe or anyone else😊
@@TeddiCruise-wj6jd Kendall , Sarah ( Christy’s daughter, remember the blowout between Christy and Jess), the og girls when Abby would fuss at them for losing, jojo (the incident when all the girls had made fun of jojo excluding Nia +maddie? and Jess confronted them), anytime there were a fight she would always get the girls out the room, grabbed Kelly’s items and made sure that she got Brooke and Paige out of the competition,(she didn’t say anything this time but her actions) she never would started anything per say but she definitely would assist in the end. Holly and Mackenzie the only ones comforting Brynn (before Ashlee) after that Ashlee and Jill blowout.
I can’t get over Abbey dragging all of these women still. She’s been to jail, she’s lost everything, even Maddie turned against her because of the abuse. She needs to just leave them alone.
exactly !!
Shes just a bitter person
@@marvincorre4783 I don’t usually like to compare people’s different experiences with abuse but she definitely abused all of the girls. I merely meant it says a lot that Maddie even cut her out
@@marvincorre4783 what Maddie went through was abuse just a different type then the other girls
Agree abby was total rude disrespectful and abuse them for her own fame. I hate abby for that and will never forgive her.
I can’t believe there was a time when Maddie was learning her solo at midnight?! Like r u kidding me?! That’s so ridiculous!
Also seems unsafe. I imagine she was exhausted but being told to do aerials and stuff 😒
@@xocnlx3 exactly
Also making kids learn a solo minutes before a competition then getting mad when they lose.
@@prettypatrece Yea, Brooke said she was learning one dance on the bus to the comp.
@@xocnlx3 literally if I would be up for school, at school all day and then dancing till midnight I would like shake and shiver from tiredness. I would probably get hurt from that even if I was maddie
The last one is insane. Australian child labour laws are stricter then US.
They probably use the parents ignorance against them. They don't live there so how would they know at that moment? It's crazy how the show got away with breaking so many laws and abuse but the moms had problems getting out and with the lawsuits against the show.
Not hard to believe since America is so money hungry and heavily capitalist
@@ressesdave2250 As an American myself, I can confirm this
yes but they dont apply to US Citizens
@@hipfilms so then production’s argument doesn’t make any sense
I SEE WHY MELISSA ALWAYS HAD HER ATTORNEY ON SPEEDIAL!!
I’m dead 😂😂🙏
"CALL THE ATTORNEY! THESE FUCKING BITCHES ARE AT IT AGAIN GREG!"
@@livheartsmatt 🤣🤣🤣
@@livheartsmatt bruh 😂😂😂
@@livheartsmatt HELP LMAOOOO
I'm not surprised. You could see those kids were tired. Maddie had dark circles under her eyes that make up didn't cover. They cried because they were exhausted then got yelled at for crying.
This video proves one thing and one thing only. Please read and reread you contract before signing it. Because stuff like this can happen. I understand that the original cast was kind of cornered into this mess because of the series being picked up. However after Season 2 there is no excuse for the new cast to not read much more carefully to divert a lot of issues (which is why we only saw the OG moms plus Jill and Kira talk about it IMO). Overall I feel bad that these people were threatened at every corner to do things that they didn’t really want to. I hope the cast is much better off today and hope everyone stays safe
Good job on the video like always
And as always be good people
And have a personal lawyer to help you understand contracts and labour laws
I agree. I understand that they were cornered because of the contract, but them signing something without reading it very well and making sure they understand what they're signing up for doesn't make much sense to me. If i didn't have time to read a contract, I'd never sign it... So yes, they we're lied to, but at the same time, they're also at fault.
@@momomomo__ i agree but Abby also admitted they made it seem like a press release form and tricked them into thinking it was contract.
the contract lasted for 4 seasons with a 4 extra-season option.
I don’t judge the moms at all for wine at 9am... they had to deal with Abby for the next 15 hours
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the beautiful editing and dedication she puts into her videos ❤️❤️
YESSS THANK YOU FOR SAYING THISSS
@@mary.jan3. YASSSSSSS
Yes! She’s a reel queen
Right, these episodes definitely show a fairer side of what happened in the show. The editing is very good.
Right! Imagine the amount of research for each one
Abby is such a Karen she can do whatever she wants to you physically and verbally but when someone returns that same energy she calls the cops & files police reports & exaggerates the situation. 🙄🙄
that's because abby is a narcissist. she will always do that and DARVO.
I was thinking the exact same thing
Self defense or not, no physical contact should be allowed in front of children so it’s Kelly’s fault for not bringing it outside of the dressing rooms
@@marvincorre4783 it is half Kelly's fault, and half Abby's. Abby shouldn't have provoked her like that in the first place. Putting your face so close to someone and pretending to bite off their finger isn't something that should be done in front of children either.
@@fortheloveofcats2462 Eh, Kelly and Christi deserved it, Abby abused Chloe but that doesn't justify what Christi did, Christi bullied Kendall, Paige, Maddie and Leslie. She also rarely yelled at Kelly, Kelly disobeyed Abby by not giving her the stocks for the chair.
I had no idea Jeff was so nasty, he pretends to be so sweet and charming.
My thoughts exactly. Who threatens a mother saying they’re gonna own her kids?! Sick in the head
welcome to hollywood
Maybe that’s why there was a different host ? Yk when Mackenzie and Maddie left
Well there you go. The most sickest and evil of psychos put on a pleasant angelic face to mask themselves.
good looking, rich, business men know how to take advantage of people. it’s ego and terrible morals, especially since everything about this show is abusing children
I feel bad about the sequence of events Abby has gone through, but she still never takes blame for anything. It wasn't her fault she went to prison but the people working for her, blaming the moms for producer tactics and for valuing money while being grossly underpaid, etc. She can never include everyone's struggles, it's only about hers.
And acts like she doesn't know/remember people in the industry if they didn't kiss her tail, telling four and five different versions of same events. Abby is a manipulator plain and simple.
Abby is 100% a narcissist and I feel for anyone who has ever been affected by her
ya like she blames the kids for not speaking to her instead of like... of course they would still talk to her if she didnt cross the line so often with them. thats insane.
Even the guy from Jersey Shore who was convicted of the same thing as Abby was able to admit his mistake, did his time and grew up. Abby won't and can't. She's a narcissist and not capable of taking responsibility for anything. She is the hero or the victim, never the villain.
it was her fault she went to prison LMAO, did something illegal and got caught for it
A 6 episode docuseries sounds a lot better then whatever 8 season bullshit they try to feed.
I can't get over the fact that Abby used her own students to smuggle money from a foreign country
I mean it doesn’t surprise me
Abby keeps bashing the OG moms, in her RUclips video's, why can't she let it go
Because by dishing out more dirt on cast members, she stays relevant.
literally. she can’t swallow the fact that she was the problem. lmao it’s embarrassing how she can’t admit her mistakes after all of these years 💀
I could never wrap my mind around the fact that she’d complain about the moms not dropping off the kids and leaving. Then turn around and punish a CHILD because they couldn’t control their parent and force them to be there.
Hiding assets on a bankruptcy petition is instant jail. I’m not surprised she went to jail at all. She absolutely deserved it.
@Tiny Princess my apologies, I was conflating the two colloquially. Yes, she went to prison.
Hey would you ever do a deep dive on Kelly and Abby’s history from before the show? I always thought their story was really interesting
That’s actually a really good idea. I’ve always wondered how their relationship got so toxic after so long.
I was wondering what happened during their Australia trip. Kira's exit seemed very abrupt.
many of the moms, Kira, Jill, Christi, Ashlee, and Holly, were very strict with their kids schooling. Everyone needs a good base education to fall back on if dancing didn't work out. and Notice how those four girls in particular either went back to public school and some went on to college.
If anything good comes out of shows like Dance Moms and Teen Mom and family RUclipsrs, it's that we're finally looking at how children are impacted by reality TV and a forced social media presence. I bet in 5-10 years so many kids are going to come out with horrific behind the scenes stories and be a catalyst to protect future children.
Yes! Yes we are. Thanks to these shows they are shedding a light on child abuse and exploitation within reality television. This is what reality television really is.
Of course Abby knows what she’s doing. She’ll always be the victim. She’s narcissistic we’ve been known
Anyone familiar with narc abuse can see the patterns
Melissa did say “she doesn’t wanna mess with me, I know so much stuff👆”
With everything that has come out, how has this production company not been blacklisted by the industry yet? Who would touch them after this?
Unfortunately, knowledge of this type of company isn't enough. Some parents are so fame hungry that this news may not scare them. Or, some may believe that nothing this bad could ever happen to them. Or, the company is too powerful, with enough money to silence the little people.
The production company is owned by lifetime and they have a lot of money
The industry is probably full of companies like this.
Wow I knew the producers were bad but I didn’t think they were THAT bad. Jeff Collins and co are truly disgusting. They saw some mums who had no experience in show business and no idea of the legalities involved, that they could control and a bunch of talented little girls they could exploit. I thought they’d at least care about the children a bit.. like, they’re just little kids ffs and they were pretty much abusing their power over them, making them work 10 hours a day.
They really are evil, like they literally couldn't find anything better to do with themselves, just play god over some moms and children.😒
Exactly I bet if the moms knew their rights things would have been different. Because in reality no one can force you to do anything, because it's a free country.
when melissa said in the podcast that jeff told her "I own you, I own your car, your house, your KIDS" I got sick to my stomach, who in the hell does he thinks he is to say "I own your kids" disgusting man
@@alissonchaves1933 he was able to scare her, but what he was saying made no sense. How can he own her
@@chichi3183
Melissa or any of the moms at the time didn’t know anything about legalities. They were all too scared to fight back in fear of what producers might do
It doesn’t surprise me that alcohol was offered on set, alcohol loosens up a person and effects their thinking, obviously the crew would want the moms to be intoxicated and not thinking properly to cause drama and fights
After listening to the moms podcast I think I misjudged them quite a bit, especially Melissa. I’m glad they are all friends now and their kids are on good terms.
Which podcast?
@@Emper0rH0rde the moms have a podcast called Because Mom Said So- it really shows them in a new light from the show
My overarching takeaway from the podcast is the moms were all good friends and were proud of their kids and the others’ kids… you can really tell they all care not only about their kids but the other kids on the team. It’s actually really sweet.
Amen 🙏🙏
Abbys legal issues are her fault, she really needs to own up to her mistakes
Yeah, she’s always blaming someone else. Her ass had money. She was on TV.
Ikr she ALWAYS plays the victim even though it’s her fault she did something. Like when the Dance Moms girls don’t talk to her anymore, she acts like she was the sweetest teacher ever and the kids didn’t appreciate her when in reality, she would scream at the girls and made them lose self-confidence and wonders why they no longer talk to her lol.
Honestly I’d never EVER sign anything without reading thoroughly first or having a lawyer look it over. That is absolutely wild.
Lawyers being paid to fight against you... Similar to what happened to Britney Spears. Women are treated terribly in these industries
I'm BEWILDERED by this episode. Those kids had WAY harsher, longer hours and lack of sleep and self care than any of us assumed.
the fact that abby used her sick mother's bank account to keep her out of trouble is absolutely disgusting
Always read a contract in full. Always get what is promised to you, in writing.
You know that alcohol thing really got to me. The show made it seem like Christi was the only crazy alcoholic. Smfh.
The producers were evil, but I think with everything they did they could be sued for what they did
Depends on contract wording. Reality show contracts pretty much absolve them of responsibility for anything even deaths while pretty much owning the participants. Several people from various reality shows including producers have stated over the years how the contracts have so many loopholes for the producers.
@@nicolecopeland5504 I refuse to believe that producers could sue people for not causing drama. I think the moms weren't educated on legal terms and stuff
@@chichi3183 they probably wouldn't but they could withhold money like the bonuses mentioned. You can bet the producers had everything worded to their advantage.
@@nicolecopeland5504 The producers are filth
@@chichi3183 agree!! Watching it back now vs first time and you just see so much and all I think is those poor kids. I dealt with plenty of dance mamas back in the day but we protected the kids.
Abby could have done A LOT to stay out of jail. And the moms and the girls have nothing to do with that.
Jeff Collins isn’t going to see the pearly gates.
I’d sure hope not, he’s disgusting
I feel bad for the dance moms and their kids
a video idea i would like to see is about the original cast before dance moms. what was abby like before the show? did the moms still show jealousy before the show? was brooke actually the favorite before the show?
there's no way abby wasn't a piece of shit before the show happened.
I have a feeling that Abby was fair before the show but that the fame ruined her. I don’t know if she was nice because she literally gave children disgusting things for Christmas, but she was a lot more fair and she didn’t demean anyone to bring anyone else up
Fame and money changes people
Yeah!!!
If producers are making your life hell and your kids are exhausted, that they are not following child labor laws and it can't exactly be hard to prove, why not all get together and hire a lawyer to sue them ? The moms complain a lot but what did they actually do to try & fight it ? The only one who did anything was Jessalyn Siwa. She digged a little, did her homework, and got out of their worthless contract.
Exactly - they can complain all they want but none of them would have the opportunities they had would it not be for the show. The moms and their podcast - what a farce - they are making money off of fans to try and stay relevant. They say a lot but where is the proof? And Mack Z here is making $$$$ off of all you people who watch these. They have to continue to make up content or blow it out of proportion so they keep getting $$$$$ from youtube.
Exactly. The only victims here are the children, every adult on that showed exploited them one way or another.
IKR? They should've done something and actually stood up for themselves and their daughters to stop this illegal shit.
But at the same time they where threatened with horrifying shit. Melissa was threatened by that Jeff guy that her kdis, house and car where going to be taken away. So that obviously silenced them from fear.
The other mother didn’t have the same resources . Jessalyn already had a decent amount of money and had a lawyer . The others didn’t . And the Lawyers as the mom said we’re often time paid off or threaten themselves.
I understand why Abby would be upset because the moms were drinking wine in the studio but honestly if I signed something that was only supposed to last 6 days and find out it’s going to last for 6 YEARS I would drink once in a while too
The fact that they don’t get residuals is messed up in so many ways
Lawsuits: I feel like the lawsuits went too far on the show, and double ditching with Cathy, paying people to go against the mother's.
Alcohol around children: disgusting, if the children, especially younger kids, us absurd. Abide by the rules.
Police: I agree with how the police would think it was a thing for the show as that is what dance moms was about.
Money matters: I don't understand how reality can be a News thing. I don't change Abby for not wanting to go back to energy, they should have been professional about it. I'm wondering if she only agreed to do dance moms to try and pay off get debt only to never do it.
Illegal hours: the produces shouldn't have lied. The mother's w could have even done something about it. I get that dance moms was a reality show but not letting the kids leave until the mother's fought is not right, the show was ment to be about the kids not about the mother's fighting.
I agree with you on everything except the last line. The show is called Dance _Moms_ for reason, and it focuses on the moms fighting about their daughters, it’s not really a show about kids dancing at all
I definitely agree
What rules where alcohol can be in same place as kids? Then places like Applebees, Long Horn, outback and etc would not serve alcohol. As long as no one was getting drunk/acting crazy from the alcohol and the kids know no to take it or give the kids a sip then it's fine. The producers only been about the mothers fighting and not dancing. That's why they picked Abby to do a show with
@@annacash6674 You didn't watch the video did you, the rule isn't "alcohol can't be in the same place as kids" but that kids are not allowed to work around alcohol in Pennsylvania (e.g., they cannot work at a bar or around a bar). Also, the producers would purposely feed the moms alcohol to get them more riled up and emotional, that's the point the video was trying to make.
For some reason, I randomly thought « I haven’t seen a MackZ boss video in a while, she must have posted one and I wasn’t aware », so I search for your channel and see that you posted a video 3 hours ago. Apparently I have a 6th sense
I can’t believe as smart as Holly was,,, she signed it without reading it!!
Prime example as to why you always need to have a lawyer look over a contract before you sign it
Sadly, it doesn't shock me at all. These poor kids. No wonder most of them are in therapy
They cast did lawsuits to try and leave the show and did things just to get sued just to leave
Oh my gosh. Did that guy Jeff whatever really threatened to take away Melissa's car, house and goddamn children? Did he really go there?
How the hell aren't these producers and directors not arrested and charged?
They where abusing and exploiting and tormenting those girls and their mothers. This is flat out abuse. How are they getting away with it.
Looks like they are the real villains of the show.
Mellisa should have not allowed Maddie to stay at the dance studio till 12 am so crazy
DEAR, MACKZBOSS YOUR DANCE MOMS UNCOVERED SEASONS ARE SOOOO GOOD AND ENTERTAINING I OVE THESE KEEP MAKING THESE FOREVER ❤❤
i wish you talked about how chloe and christy got out of their contract
They were just kids. How any production company could overlook the needs of children because tending to their needs doesn't make them a profit....they should all be in jail for child abuse.
Abby trying to communicate what the producers are doing was low key scary😦
I love how deep you look into the stuff! It's so amazing, and yea this show is basically a crime lol, could you do a video on every main scene which was edited to look worse like Brynn has had a better season than Kendall etc etc
Do you think you could make a video about guest choreographers? Like Laureiann Gibson and Erin Babbs and them?
I feel like Jeff Collins needs to be investigated tbh
i was stalking your page waiting for you too post 😂😂
I feel bad for all that the girls and the moms went thru its so sad
And so many people say “why didn’t they just leave” legalities. They were treated awfully and were trapped. Unless they had an extra $100k laying around.
@@SassyCactus86exactly and what people don’t know is every og had a title so if they left the show they would be stripped of their title and fined $100,000 + being sued …
These videos are so well researched and incredible. Great job!
8:04 Abby faking compassion yet again; claims she boycotted a competition because someone called Nia or Kendall a liar, yet all it takes is one YT search to find "YOUR DAUGHTER'S A LITTLE SNEAK!!" "Well maybe [Chloe's] sneaking out to meet a boy." "I could say whatever I wanted and they [Chloe and Christi] couldn't leave!"
Honey, stop acting like you cared for those girls. Whatever reason you had for not going to that competition, it had nothing to do with how one of your students was treated...unless it was Maddie, Brynn, Kamryn, or Sophia.
Christi deserved it anyway 🤷♂️, Abby abused Chloe but that doesn’t give Christi excuses and rights to feel hatred towards Maddie, she yelled at Kendall in season7, she talked about Melissa’s affair, made Paige cry, accused Kelly of something she didn’t do and made fun of leslie
@@marvincorre4783 but what did Chloe do to
deserve that abuse? don’t forget she made fun of her eye too. in the end Chloe was the one being hurt the most Abby hurt Chloe to hurt Christi. no child deserves that. & no mother deserves to have to stand by & watch there child be verbally abused
@@cityofangels9951 I didn’t say that Chloe “deserved it”. I said that Christi deserved it because of her awful moments
I love these, even though I don’t watch Dance Moms anymore they still interest me
Love your channel 💜
Would you do an vid about where the boys dancers from Candy Apples are now, I’ve always wondered if they’ve kept dancing, Lucas was my fav, his best performance was in their chandelier nationals I couldn’t stop watching him he rocked that dance 💜😊🇦🇺
I think she did once before
Everytime I watch your videos they get better and better! Love this detail and how you put the video together. Amazing work 💞
Thanks for putting so much work into this series
Wow this actually might be my favorite D.M uncovered yet
Not only are these super interesting & insightful, but I find your voice extremely soothing :) thank you for the fantastic videos!
I'm so glad with all that bus travelling that they never had any accidents!
The bus driver would’ve been properly qualified and probably didn’t work the same insane hours the cast did
@@laurascott6150 yeah but your bus accidents are super common regardless of the drivers skill level or experience and they were often out driving overnight on slippery Pennsylvania Winter roads
@@laurascott6150 tour bus *
@@JordanJSparks I’m sure it’s no different than getting a normal bus
@@laurascott6150 a normal bus is not doing 60+ miles an hour on black ice in the dark on the highway... It's driving on well salted city streets at city speed limits . Even without inclement whether, the odds of getting in a tour bus accident are statistically high and even higher when you are doing it 104 times a year or more.
I have two questions about season two. One is about Kendall's performance during a mid time of a basketball match. It was planned, did the producers arranged it? And in one chapter a competition got cancel. It was the chapter when all the girls had solos. You have said in many videos that they had to register many months before, but they just called another competitons and went there. What about that?
This, this is the highlight of my month
This show should have never been made. Thank you for sharing this information.
I feel like they took advantage of the cast and even abby because they didn't know that much about how Hollywood worked
The Dance Moms producers are psychos!
I'm glad they are out of this bs
you never disappoint😌 i wish more dance moms fans saw your videos
If a producer said that to me I would take up with national media, my congress person, and probably a 20 million dollar lawsuit. It’s a little unbelievable.
i literally love cathy so much
fr she deserved better!!!! the true protagonist
I think this is the wildest episode yet!
Hello I have a video idea: I was wondering if you could do one on the New Orleans fight between Christi and Leslie? I wanna know more about it because it was so edited and so mysterious. Maybe you could uncover it?
Christi and Peyton both talked about it on RUclips. The fight was mostly staged so Christi and the family could go on vacation yet no one told Leslie so she was going 100.
@@prettypatrece yeah but I just wanted to know what they said because you can hear Christi say “sorry I’m a real- DANCE MOM and I’ll stand here” like something between real and dance mom sounds so edited I just wanted to know. Kinda wish they had production notes for season 3.
@@editsoftheday7917 The production told Christi she had to do something big in order to go on vacation. The fight happened without no one telling Leslie. Why Christi is mainly standing there and Leslie is all riled up. You can search Peyton video talking about it and dance moms. I forgot which video Christi mentioned it in since she has so many.
@@prettypatrece The fight was also staged because Chloe had an audition the day of Nationals.
Thankyou for all you do ❤️❤️
Thos producers are disgusting!!! No wonder why the girls hate the show :(
Oh yeah, the dance moms like Kelly, Holly, Christi, Melissa are not following Abby on instagram.
I cannot express how much dedication you have!! I love your channel smmm ❤❤❤
The producers were all seemingly evil monsters. Cruel, heartless, and psychotic.
None of this shocks me, what shocks me is the mom's allowed this to go on. The moms signed a contract without taking it to a real lawyer, then they whine about not having time read it, really? Then they stand around and watch as their children are abused, they whine because the producers say they are going to sue, I'd say bring it on, pathetic.
That's what I don't get as well, like it's obvious contract for tv will be strict and have many unpleasant things in it not to mention that it was obvious they will manipulate what they say ,cut out things and put together totally unconnected pieces to create some drama and make them look bad , I am kinda shocked they didn't pay more attention to that cuz Holly was stuck in this hella long , signing something for such a long period of time wasn't smart and I assume they were told what are the consequences of breaking the contract or trying to get out of it,the fact that Cathy said it was clearly stated that they aren't responsible for any accident or even death is a huge red flag itself
love your channel! it’s been a favorite for years now❤️
These series are sooo good
😊😊this girl really does her research
i just love these videos soo much.
Lots of greetings from germany
Waking up at 4, staying overnight on a bus, working 10 to 12 hours a day that they don’t have time to shower, missing days of school, lying about the time and not letting kids leave until they finished practice but the adults got to leave!?? How is this legal!??
So early there’s no comments or facts 🥲🥲🥲 so excited fo this
please upload next two unedited episodes without an uncovered episode in between !! we are all eager to see the nationals episode !!
Thank you for taking time to edit your vids ❤️❤️
I needed this early tea 🫖☺️
See what I don't understand is, when their contracts expired, why would the mums come back? Like surely Holly and Melissa's contracts from season 1 couldn't last until season 7, they had to have signed back on again.
Abby needs to stop blaming others for why she went to jail. She went to jail because of her own actions, point blank period. The woman has a history of being an absolute idiot when it comes to money. She did something wrong, she got caught, she went to jail. A mature person would just own up and say "yeah, I made a mistake. That was wrong." But she's STILL pushing this narrative that it wasn't her fault. She has such a victim complex it's insane.
never stop making videos like this❤️
The one thing I really hate about Abby is that she never takes responsibility for her actions she blames everyone else but herself . It's just like Holly said the Abby never own up and Holly was right.
I think Melissa still a liar. On the phone in the episode she tells Greg to call their lawyer. She’s a liar. And even in that podcast Kelly and Holly had that “oh, ok girl…” thing that implied they knew she was lying 10 years later.
The other moms seemed to confirm it though
It's also possible she said it and never intended to go through with it and the producers jumped on it, or the clip was out of context
there could have been number of reasons for Melissa to say call lawyer to Greg given how complicated things where at time it was out of context they took advantage of that. though Melissa does lie here not really.
it couldve been a lawsuit against the producers for bringing up her personal life when she didnt want to
Sounds like sleazy reality TV manipulation
i knew it was bad but i can’t believe it was THIS bad
I've been waiting for this video! So excited!
Does anyone else remember when kalani drove all the girls without a license when she first got her car?