HOW TO: BUILD FORD 351W STROKER POWER: 590 HP, 650 HP & 755-HP 427 FORD STROKER COMBOS. FULL RESULTS
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2023
- HOW MUCH POWER CAN I MAKE WITH A FORD 351 WINDSOR? CAN I MAKE A 427 STROKER OUT OF A 351W? WHAT IS THE BORE AND STROKE OF A 427 STROKER 351? WHAT HEADS DO I NEED FOR MY 427 STROKER FORD? SHOULD I RUN A ROLLER CAM IN MY 427 STROKER. IS A 351W A GOOD ENGINE? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I RAN NOT 1 BUT 3 DIFFERENT 427 STROKER FORD (351W) COMBOS WITH DIFFERENT POWER LEVELS. THE COMBOS INCLUDED AN ALL-ALUMINUM 427 EQUIPPED WITH TFS HIGH PORT HEADS, AN IRON 427 RUN WITH AFR 225 HEADS AND A MAX EFFORT 427 BUILD USING TOTAL ENGINE AIRFLOW PORTED EDELBROCK VICTOR HEADS. CHECK OUT ALL THE 427 STROKER POWER.
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More SB Ford current builds please.
God I love 351w's
I love the Windsor small blocks. I like Chevy and Mopar as well. I think that Windsor small blocks are underappreciated.
Unfortunately, Ford has a tendency to be very conservative with their engines, erring towards reliability over power. I think this has led to people seeing Ford engines as dogs, or boat anchors.
Rather like the 70s cars… in most every measure, 70s cars are better-designed than 60s cars, but they lack power, so everyone thinks theyre crap. When you do a rebuild of that 40-50+yo engine, build some power into it, and suddenly that 1974 Grand Am, or 1978 LTD II, or 1976 Mustang Cobra II, or 1977 Charger is a seriously bad ass car!
Unless you have to rebuild a motor to stock specs, for insurance purposes, there should be no reason you cant add some power, and not lose much in hp, OR gas efficiency. I lost an average of 1hp, as long as its every day driving, when I added a 235hp Roush Supercharger to my 17 Mustang GT, and it was all done on the factory warranty.
@@buzzbomb67Man, I'm really glad I googled it before sending the reply I was about to, of "there was never a 1977 Dodge Charger!"
Well, Chargers have been my favorite car for about 25 years now, and I'll be damned...
@@the.living.man. ya I was surprised too, when I found out. Always thought it was just the Cordoba and the Magnum, at that time! Also surprising, was the 1973 GTO … thought they skipped 73 altogether.
@@buzzbomb67Fords always made power the 70’s epa choking engines slowed everyone down not just ford the 454 was absolute turd stock 351 Lightning beat it very easily stock.
@@CoyoteFTW oh yes … relatively speaking, Fords were no worse off than anyone else was, and often did more with less! Nonetheless, we can definitely improve of those poor 70s cars! Such good cars, but are always maligned for being heavier and no power. Both issues are easily remedied lol
One of my dream builds is a '70 mach 1 with an all alloy 427, a 6 speed, big brakes, and IRS out the back. That way it will be quick in the canyons as well as in a straight line.
Enjoyed this video very much! Back in late 2009 I started planning my 427 Dart/Windsor build for my street 1985 Mustang LX. Picked up that book you wrote on the Ford Windsor Strokers which had great info for parts needed and went to work. Long term durability and torque at street range RPM was the main focus here. I used the TF 225 High Port heads and a matching Super Victor intake from TEA. Compression for pump gas 93 was set at 10.3 and the carb was a custom Holley flowing 900 CFM with Kooks 1 7/8 headers. Cam was the Lunati hyd. roller Voo Doo series with
241/249 duration @ .050 with .600 lift on a 112 LCA. The engine installed in my 85 LX coupe with a TKO 600 trans and a 3.50 geared 9 inch rear. Would run easy launch talking roll out at 2500 and then hit it in 2nd gear 10.90-11.00 at 132 MPH only hitting 6000-6100 RPM thru the lights. Would pull the front wheels in 2nd gear and shutdown my buddy's 1970 511 cube Hemi Challenger!
Now 13 years later still running well with no smoke and no oil drips or leaks with 195-200 PSI cranking compression. 6 years ago I replaced the Super Vic intake with a dual 660 Holley intake made by Price Motorsports the ONLY guy to make such for the 351W. Looks exactly like a FE 427 dual quad type intake. Yes the smaller runners hurt a bit over 5000 RPM but still made 480 HP and 505 Torque at the wheels all in at 5600 RPM Torque curve is crazy fat and flat with this thing and a joy to drive. You can cruise at 1500 RPM in 5th gear with no issue. Plenty of fun for me at 69 years and owning this Mustang for 38 years! Thanks for the work you do and show us! A liitle video clip from last week when I added 1 inch phenolic carb spacers to keep the carb heat down. Cranks right up after sitting 20 minutes after hot day drive. ruclips.net/user/shortsPwjooOAqrjc?feature=share
Why spec a 112 LSA can for an NA build? 105 or 106 LSA would have made more power and given the engine what it wants. You're probably down 30-40hp.
IF ONLY EVERY MOTOR WASN'T BUILT FOR MAXIMUM POWER, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY MISSED THE 108 LSA
Wide LSA almost like you specd an EFI camshaft
I'd agree with everyone else 105-108 LSA MAX on the camshaft
we didn't spec any cam-just tested a bunch
@@pimpovic2 112 for a better idle quality and vac for my power brakes. Every 427 Windsor is not a race engine.....this is street use.
That first one just ran out of air. Cam was too short to take advantage of the intake manifold. The second one had enough cam at 274/282 and plenty of intake manifold. That torque line on that third engine is a thing of beauty.
Cant let my wife see this.... She'll be making me build for her mustang.
She’s a keeper😂
As long as she has the $20-30k to build one you're probably in good shape
How can Richard.. I mean Mr. Holdener not have 2 million viewers ??? Best engine builder who shares valuable knowledge, that is so rare , so Bravo Sir!!
Maybe adding funny crazy cute dogs clips into videos will get this content to the masses
Ha. Have been looking for 351 stroker videos. Perfect timing.
Some people make real good breathing heads for the small block Ford engines. Those rotated canted valve heads move a bunch of air.
You mean twisted wedge heads?
Don't tell inline guys that lol that's always been a debate AFR vs trick flow
I'm not even gonna get into it lol😂
@@KingJT80 yeah the d 3 heads Fall in there too
That (TFS) and Cleveland style heads.@@KingJT80
Awesome result and we forget about the Victor Sr head. It bested the AFR 225 by a ton. On the curve it beat it across the board. Edelbrock knew what they were doing with that head. Victors beat the AFR 225 by over 100HP and 50ft-lb.
A set of CHI or Yates D3 Cleveland heads would have made massive Horsepower on the last 427...Cleveland style canted valve heads make the most Horsepower on pretty much any SBF...windsor had the better bottom end but the Cleveland had the heads and intake to make some serious Horsepower...combine them both and build yourself a Clevor!
The fine folks on the channel Powernation did a 427 with Trick Flow heads and were also "stuck" at about 590 hp. If you watch they do reveal cam specs. And it had a Victor Jr manifold. So, that seems to be a pattern. Thank you Richard for all the great content.
Super victor on the first engine. Not a vic Jr.
@@I_like_turtles_67 Thanks for the heads up.
It's all in the heads!
Love to see a boss head version!
Best deal on street/strip heads for the windsor, are the bread and butter AFR 225's. Yes, there are others that can outflow them, but they cost a whole lot more too. Price for performance, the AFRs for the win, every time.
I used to say the same but the TFS 11R CNC head does very well too
The first engine with the TFS Highports with 70cc chambers is why the motor didn't make over 600. But since you guys later added boost, it's not bad for an engine down on compression built for boost.
I’d like to add a comment on the last combo
There was at least 30-40 hp with a 1050-1100 cfm carb
I cannot believe the lower pk hp rpm knowing those heads were 280 cc plus and a large cross section
Those heads need 850-900 lift 112 -114 lobe sep and 278-300 at .050
And hello hp
I would have liked to see the last engine sorted with a bigger carb.. I have the same TEA cylinder heads.. I'm hoping to get it running this winter
I'll take the #3 please
Make a video on how to build the motor roller and non roller
I’d like the buy list for that 755hp build pls
How about doing some work with a 409, 392 Hemi, OLD stuff. Alot of us have the old stuff in rat rods and stuff.
Hey Richard, wanted to let you know Atco dragway in NJ closed down, it was a big part in the 5.0 evolution
I saw
How about a budget build 427 for my work truck?
Whats the company and grind number on the cam in 2nd and 3rd motor. Ty
Thanks for all the videos Rich, I am seeing tons of videos that are still experiencing poor quality control of various engine parts. Is this something that you have seen/experienced? And do you have any suggestions or brands that you recommend? Probably the most common item I see is flat tappet cams and lifters, but it certainly isn't alone.
Btw, I have been seeing these videos for ~3 years now, but I am shocked that it is STILL an issue.
So the first engine made at least 500 lb.ft. of torque from 3,400 to 6,000 rpm and that was disappointing? I would certainly be happy with that any day in a street car.
What was the compression ratio on the 1st combo?
I'm curious what differences there would be with a similarly built stock block 416". I might engine swap my 351w e150 for better towing capabilities ie diesel would be best. I want at least 18 mpg unloaded which probably means stock cubes small cam with efficient heads like afr 165's...or a mild 6.0 LS but getting better than 14 mpg might be tough.
If you're going to get the AFR 165 might as well get the 185's there is no downside.
add a port injected efi ITB set up for this motor to the tests!!!!
I sure would like to see you take that second engine and try the Comp Cam Hydraulic Roller: 4-Pattern 305QIO8
Sku: 35-564-44 and see what the horsepower and torque is compared to a regular two pattern cam. Can't find anything on the internet about horsepower and torque numbers on that camshaft or even what it sounds like.
4 pattern doesn't cure intake issues-Westech ran some tests
I've got a stroke 351 Windsor with real close to the same billed as Engine 2 the only difference is I'm running DSS 6 cc Dome Pistons a BMP intake and a hydraulic roller that I'm guessing goes to about 68 to 7000 duration 307 lift 589 on a 108 lsa I just feel that the camshaft is holding it back from its full potential I seen an power nation episode called 427 Windsor Warrior same combination they were running a Comp Cam 224455-12s made 610 where is flat top pistons I like the RPM to 7200 but I don't know if that camshaft would be optimal for my engine. A lot of Cam companies or parts stores when they recommend a camshaft you can call them back two days later and they give you a total different grind with the same combination so who do you trust 😂
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Not enough Comp or the right intake for that 1st combo
I missed the music
Do you ever do any type of giveaways? Id love to put a 427 600hp engine in my 65 mustang 😊
Giveaway a 427 BBC that makes 600 hp? My channel is to small for that
I told some old wrench that I wanted to put one of these in my mustang. He asked me if I wanted to die.
Yates heads...?
Would you run a dual-plane on a 427 stroker sbf in a very heavy street car or would you run a single plane? Thankx.
a single plane
I'd love to know what you'd do differently for a 351W in a hd truck application, like an F350 for towing. Would you still go with a stroker? What would you change?
stroker and milder cam
@@richardholdener1727 thanks for your response, one last question. With the introduction/capability of smaller displacement turbo vehicles like the newer Ecoboost f150 V6 I am surprised we don't see more people doing "smaller displacement" 351 turbo gas trucks (vs 460). I've been digging deep trying to find examples of someone with a lower compression turbo 351 in a truck for towing but have not found any. How do you think a stroked tried and true Windsor can compare to the new gas 7.3. I'm trying to find a solution for my blown-up 351w (as of this past Saturday) in my 1990 f350.
a mild 351W with a turbo would be very capable
The small block Ford stuff, seems to mismatched parts, to SBF's dismay. This, needs to be corrected. Make "new" videos from learning, from your mistakes. Not, old videos, with limited parts. Not, back in the day videos, with limited, what somebody gave you, to use parts. I, know this is an LS channel, but don't show, "back in the day" SBF stuff.
This is a dyno channel-not an LS channel. Lots of playlists to choose from for your favorite.
What a dumb comment.
Have you ever tested "the budget" 351W stroker. Using a 3.85 crank and standard size used 302 pistons?
no
I'd like to see that as well
With the strokers if you will do a 3.85 stroke ( 393 ) you might as well do a 4.00 or 4.20 stroke ( 408 or 427 )
@@dennisrobinson8008 But then you would have to use aftermarket rods and/or pistons.
@@DustinDoesStuff i see what you're saying about budget
Can you do a SBF stroker with Kaase C-400 CHI heads? I bet you could make a really nasty motor.
I have run CHI heads
It'll be around the Victor Sr's they prepared.
Hey is there any way you could list all three camshaft grind numbers and specs please thank you
I don't have that info other than what was provided
Okay thanks I appreciate it reason why I was asking was I have a 427 Windsor but it's actually the 4.100 stroke add a 4.040 was trying just to kind of get an idea of the cam specs to determine if they would be something that would be adequate for my engine
Well if you ran a low CR to account for high boost then it makes sense why you didn’t make 600 hp….
I had no idea that You could get that kind of power out of a set of Victor heads! Do You think that Brian T. Would still port a set for a customer?
Yes but those are about $5000 assembled with the titanium valves and their porting
These are Victor race Heads Not the Victor jr's, I had these heads on a 440ci windsor making over 800hp n/a and they will support a lil more than that,
He said over 400CFM... @@onebadbarron04
Arent those Glidden Victor II heads that cost almost $9,000 a pair? lol, no wonder that mfkr made 750 horse ! #nascarheads wink wink.
these were not glidden heads
Please do a cost breakdown please
that is all you
Are these crate motors available for purchase?
no sir-just motors I built long ago
How long are the cylinder sleeves of a 351W to enable you to stroke them out that big? Are they 6.5' to 7" long?
after market blocks-bigger bores
@@richardholdener1727 Isn't he using a production block?
A 427 IS A DART 4.125 BORE WITH 4 INCH STROKE
@@richardholdener1727 The length of the cylinder sleeve is?
How much compression did the last combo have? 614 is a lot from a 427.
the last combo that made over 750 hp was over 12:1
All tested on pump gas?
no
30k for a reliable 1000hp engine
Or less than 10k for a turbo motor that does the same power with a broader torque curve.
Hey there, lads make sure to hit the Roman Emperor Button to approve of Richard's victory in the gladiatorial ring!
Has anyone ever seen a video
of him building a engine
yes-lots-including the Engine Masters Challenge (I was a finalist)
Okay. I guess you can freight any one of them to me. I suppose it will be okay enough for my mustang build. 😂
Nice work. 👏👏🫡