Daniel Defense BCG! Is it Worth the Money in Comparison with Aero?
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I just received a black nitride BCG from Aero and was looking for the items you mentioned in this video. Seems like they saw this and corrected their mistakes or lack of QC, because the one I just got has a similar looking stake job as the Daniel Defense BCG you reviewed here. I was pleasantly surprised for under $150.... Aero makes great products
I personally like AP products. I've owned both DD & AP BCG for 5 years: Weight: same to .1oz (best my scale can do). Lenght: identical, staking on both as well as overalll appearances: Identical. Bolt and carrier dimensions +/- .0001 from nominal. Firing pin, same lenght, but DD was polished a bit more. Measured with good minus pin gauges and Mitutoyo digital caliper. I'm pleased with both.
Grey background is easy on the reviewer's eyes...keep up the excellent reviews KB! Thanks.
The carpet is a welcome upgrade, sir.
The gray carpet is the best👍....As for the BCGs I would just get the Aero👍🇺🇸.....Stay Safe.....Steve from Illinois👍🇺🇸....Keep these awesome reviews coming brother👍🇺🇸
Yes, it contrasts well with small parts and makes things easy to see.
I don't care how good a product is, I will not support companies that even remotely support more or tougher gun laws.
TreasureHuntingSWPA that’s why I gave up on Benchmade knives
@@freddyg6940 you say, commenting this on a anti gun corporation computer, or phone. On youtube... of google...
There are two types of people who support gun control. Those who don't think a government can become tyrannical and those who fully intend for it to be.
Which company is that
@@GBall_Vision 02:30-02:45 Did you even watch the video?
Kudos to my town Hobbs New Mexico our sheriff fought for us and we won a battle today our commissioners unanimously voted for sanctuary against the red flag law!!! I couldnt be any happier for my state we are fighting these tyrants.
That's great news!
Excellent News ! 👍
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Keep fighting vote at the state level the govener has to go .
Good for you guys... that is most excellent and puts a smile on my face. Now my Oregon Sheriffs need to step up and get with the movement and defend our rights.
I hope things go similar for us in Valencia county brother!
I own BCGs from both companies. Both are solid. If you wanted to save some cash and distribute it to another area of your build I'd go with Aero Precision.
The BCG is the most important part of the rifle, when you are in the middle of nowhere or getting attacked by a zombie horde a broken-damaged extractor or bolt will ruin your day.
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So buy 2 mid range bolts
In short: *NO*
Daniel Defense has done nothing beyond piss me off with their narcissistic prices, like many manufacturers. I'm not paying for a rifle to get a name, I'm paying for a rifle to get a rifle. If I want something special, I'll build the damn thing.
Any bolt carrier group past say 90-100 dollars you better be paying for the finish, hell nitride is extremely beautiful and strong whilst cheap
Great review. I think after a while you will reach a point where the law of diminishing returns come into play because the average shooter will not need anything more than a quality BCG from Aero or PSA for that matter. If you want to pay the extra money, by all means you can do whatever you want with your money. Is it worth the money? Depends on the shooter.
I think Toolcraft bcgs are the best bang for the buck.
The Daniel defense has always been known as a high quality bcg. In my eyes not worth the money but for sure high quality. Going forward I am done with nickel boron too much maintenance and polishing to clean. Black nitride and titanium nitride only for me. Per your recommendation!
In my experience as long as you have a good name brand bolt and carrier with a spare bolt on you or in the pistol grip and your weapon is kept decently clean and lubed..you will be fine. I do prefer bcm bolts but that's just me. Thanks KB32, and god bless!👍✌🇺🇸💪
Made by Toolcraft and BCM has good QC building them
The average shooter will be fine with aero.
Aero BCGs are probably better then milspec BCGs that are literally inside every rifle that every service m4 has inside it. A BCG is a BCG. The only guys who get special ones fall under SOCOM. Standard BCGs ain't nothing special and they're used by more then the "average shooter"
Jay Daniel Defense is milspec+
"Every shooter will be fine with Aero" fixed it for you
@@powerstrokin93 And they are sellouts on gun rights, do you really want to give them your money?
Dean Firnatine I’ve never given them my money and never will.
Just get a PSA bolt, they have normal and premium carriers groups. You don't need anything fancy. Spend the rest on ammo.
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For the bcg, I would agree. The bolt,not so much. Finish is never as important as function. There are bolts that are far superior than others. I have broken two bolts in my rifles at the can pin hole. I switched to the HM denfense HMB battle bolts in all of our rifles and havent had a problem since. 4 years after their initial design, I called HM about 3 weeks ago and they still habent gotten a broken bolt back yet nor has the licensed manufacturer who is now producing them.
Not all parts take the abuse like other parts do. A chromed lined bcg,nope isnt important. Makes it a little easier to clean. Put the money where it counts.
@@FreedomInc A chrome lined bolt carrier and gas key is essential for an AR15. Those are the 2 main places where you're gonna get corossion.
@Brad Roberts Very helpful input
Brad Roberts you also probably are agains a psa lower also. Because of what actual tangible reason?
I love Aero's products... usually my first choice for balance of quality and price.
What I’m thinking about right now… 2 of my choices… thank you
DD is the new Colt where you are paying more money for the name
Lol. My phosphate DD BCG with 23k rounds without a failure or parts replacement disagrees.
So you're directly contributing the bcg to being awesome since it's DD? As in, a generic phosphate Bcg wouldn't do the same thing? Interesting.... How many other bcg have you ran to compare and contrast?
SynFuLLLz Toolcraft won’t do 23k.
So, you've analyzed every single tool craft and confirmed they don't have 23k? Damn, what job do you have? I'd love to see your videos and evidence to support your claim.
SynFuLLLz Look around. Toolcrafts quality is slipping. A regular guy had 2 different ones break on him prematurely. Other 3rd party reviewers online have reported out of spec bolt dimensions. So as of now, I don’t think the majority of Toolcrafts can do 23k rounds.
Kinda funny that nearly all my bolts last 20 plus thousand rounds before a lug shears, but when I get two toolcraft bolts that break at cam pin holes inside 15k between the two of them. Not each.... but total.... I get people scoffing like I did something wrong.
Then they backpeddle and say "I don't want to say you did something wrong"......
Not doing certain inspections and heat treating regardless of materials used matters a little I think.
I knew exactly who he was referring to when he said that. I applaud you for standing your ground.
Who who who?
Was your bolt marked 1B1B6?
@@aholegunner ... Yup, me too , R.G.T. is one of my ABSOLUTE favorite and kudos for standing your ground my man 👍👍👍
@@redwhiteandblue7290 Rock on brother! Btw I love your name.
I like the grey carpet and how it helps regulate the cameras light sensors.
For bcg's I personally like Aero, everything I need and want and nothing that I dont. Even the general PSA standard ones have never failed me. Theres no way I can justify paying twice as much for a bcg when the QC difference is so minor, whatever extra lifespan value I'd get roundcount wise is less than getting a replacement bcg.
Got thousands of rounds thru my 4 year old PA-15 range plinker without a single failure or malfunction. I agree PSA does just fine! Although I'm currently in the middle of building my "apocalypse" rifle and pretty much every single component is either KAC, Sons of Liberty, or BCM because just as KB was saying, it depends on what you use it for. I'm building a fighting rifle so I'll work for some extra cash in order to get the higher quality stuff. Next time I build a rifle though I'll almost certainly use an Aero because they're just good BCG's
I have both and they are both fine. The Aero is basically a Toolcraft which is rock solid.
Yes, Aero doesn't make their BCG, probably ToolCraft, Aero Branded.
I am in no way a DD or Aero guy, but this was about as silly a comparo as I have seen. Three bore wasn't measured, torque values weren't measured, neither had decent carrier key screws, carrier key hole wasn't measured, springs weren't even mentioned, fire pin protrusion, etc. It goes on and on from tool marks and coating brittleness on the outside to how it actually works on the inside. Want a cool kid BCG buy a DD, want one that will work until it doesn't buy an Aero.
DD is overpriced milspec, With some ugly furniture on their rifles.......I would not spend the extra money on DD. .....There are ALOT of brands out there that I would spend 2-4 hundred on their bcg tho, DD it just not one of them. LMT, LWRC, LANTAC, KAC, JP, POF, All of those I would absolutely spend the extra cash on them. (And there is probably more I missed off the top of my head)
Have SOTAR gauge them out and then do another video. Either one could be a DOA POS and you cant tell by some cursory visual comparison. Check out SOTAR’s video on the $$$$ Knight’s Armament bolt, complete garbage, just like the Fail Zero crap. But remember, you’re examining a sample of ONE.
How is it that I see people that can just through in that retaining pin for the firing pin with no problem. It never fails. I've always got problems getting it through.
*The background is great!*
Same for me
KNS precision retaining pin makes a world of difference, only 8 bucks. My standard pin is a headache as well.
@@WhiteDwarfVR4 Thanks! I'll have to check it out.
Eyeball your Bcg from the rear so you can see the pin....
When you put it in sometimes it wants to angle down away from the hole on the other side.... so you have to counter the force by pushing it kinda down to make it go up..(much easier to show then explain hahaha)
And it should pop right in
I had the same issue until I watched a vid on this subject. Insert the pin and with the loop horizontal, lift up and push... I couldn't believe how great that worked.
I bet there’s only a handful of places actually producing all this stuff.
Places that get a high volume of students should start tracking failures of common parts. A spreadsheet over long enough of a period and accurate records would allow some patterns to emerge.
It’s probably down to a statistical min on AR15’s now but 10+ years ago I’m guessing the data would be very different.
Check out SOTAR on Facebook for tested data
The staking on the DD is ok but not great. The aero is lacking. Without tools and gauges it is not possible determine if either is quality. Both make great groups and both make lemons. This video is about ashestics and track history in the industry…at best.
I've had good results with the Aero Precision BCG's. The phosphate and the black nitride finish Aero Precision bolt carrier groups have 158 steel bolts, but the nickel boron finish Aero Precision BCG's have 9310 steel bolts.The firing pins may have different finishes between those also.
I will always say this when it comes to BCG's. The BGC is a consumable. You don't have to pay top dollar to get a good one. Paying top dollar for one is like paying top dollar for a sheet of sandpaper. Sure it might hold up a bit longer but it was never meant to be forever, it was always a throwaway part.
But it doesn't hold up just a bit longer, it holds up a lot longer.
The only DD getting my time and money Is dungeons and dragons
Lol. Sorry I'm late
short answer - no
long answer - nooooo
just get a toolcraft for $70.
yes, exactly
Based on Regular Guy destroying 2 of them inside of 15000 rounds I'd stay away from toolcraft. Not saying you need to spend 200 dollars on a good BCG. Theres good ones out there. And toolcraft MAY be one of them. But hes an honest guy and that particular failure turned me off to them.
Actually 140, you’ll have to buy 2
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 I'm at 18k rounds on one of my toolcraft bcgs, only changed the gas rings. Another one is creeping up on 7k rounds, no issues but I'll probably change the gas rings soon.
@@Gizmo_The_Familiar he could have gotten 2 flops in a row I guess. Which still lends questions about their quality control. But he also said they had good customer service. They made it right and replaced the bolt the first time.
I'll personally still shy away from them.
They all look good until they see chads table over at school of the American rifle..
They're not the same material if one has a bolt that's C158 while they other is 9310. I'm sure most know their differences, but I prefer to play it safe and go with a C158 bolt rather than trusting a manufacturer does proper heat treating. Done correctly you get a 7% increase in strength, but if it's not done right you have a 50% reduction. I don't like to play the lottery.
NOPE..All you need is toolcraft dlc nitride or boron. take your pick
Most of these BCGs are made by the same couple of companies and rebranded by people like Daniel Defense.
Theres still some difference between the specs even if some are made by the same company.
West Manhiem Township, 4th one to become a 2A sanctuary here in PA, voted 4-1, Now this needs to spread like wildfire here.
I dont see why people dont see the problem with these "sanctuaries". Call the sheriff and ask him or her to name just one law they are not enforcing today that they were 30 days ago. And look up the word sanctuaries.
They are just pandering. The same people who praise the cops and sheriffs now will do the same when more unconstitutional laws are past and they enforce them except "well they tried" will be added to "they are just doing their jobs", "they dont make the laws", " they dont have a choice it's the law" and that is just one part of the problem if people understood what a right actually is themselves,we wouldnt have any of these problems.
Unfortunately,the "pro 2ndA", "patriot", "pro rights" crowds are a huge part of the problem. This all stems from ignorance as to what a right actually is. The man who shot and killed my son 88 days ago is in jail. In jail he still has the right to keep and bear arms. His rights are inalienable. Natural. God given. From conception until death. What he doesnt have is the liberty to exercise certain rights because he isnt free. If he is ever released,he will then be able to take the liberty to exercise his 2ndA rights. If you disagree with me,you only believe individuals have privileges and you are a part of the problem.
I have offered $1I for anyone to claim. You only have to show me anywhere in any of our founding documents where we gave government the authority to legislate rights away. Remeber that life,liberty,property,and rights all have different meanings. Very different meanings. If Government had the authority to legislate rights away we would have only had privileges from the beginning.
And thos nonsense that there is a such thing as an "illegal" firearms owner is also a part of the problem. The only illegal firearm is one that is KNOWN to be stolen. That goes for all property and has nothing to do with the firearm.
That is in York County. I am FROM Lancaster County, Manheim Township. How is that doing???
DD is dead to me
Bolt carrier isn't worth the extra money other than maybe nickel boron coded if I'm building a high-end rifle I'll spend the extra money for the best bolt face
Background good. I certainly wouldn't pay up for the DD BCG. I Got hooked on the XPB from Sharps, which is $30ish cheaper, and a real performer under severe duty. 8K rounds and counting on my original, and will be testing their Nickel Teflon Reliabolt in my new XM177E2 build from OG 'Nam parts including Chromed BC. I figure the Reliabolt will help any issues with no M4 feed ramps on the old receiver, which it has done, since I added it. In my experience, every piece of Aero Precision I've ever used, functioned flawlessly, and was of very high standard of quality. If given just those two choices, I'd go with the Aero, and add the money saved to my ammo budget.
Exactly!
Bought one from Black Rifle Depot that looks as if it could have been made in the same factory and just didn't get Daniel Defense etched on it. $105 with shipping included.
@@1stevenyarbrough the difference is in the specs. toolcraft makes most mil spec bcg. Colt gets theirs and checks all the specs and the ones that are not in spec get sent back and then sold for cheap by places like psa and others. you pay for quality work just like with lowers. thats why sons of liberty is so great because they adhere to those specs and have their own that are even batter and they are very affordable . only thing i dont care for is their qpc barrels, i prefer a chf chrome lined barrel on a battle rifle.
Agreed.
I’ve got a Daniel Defense, PSA, and BCM BCG. Both I bought years ago and they’ve been perfect. The DD is unmarked. It’s probably 7-8 years old. Truth be told the PSA has been flawless as well. You’re right about the DD BCG though. It was probably the tightest between all 3 when it was new.
Simply looking at 2 different BCG doesn't mean one is better than the other. Comparing tolerances with USGI tools would determine which has better fitment.
I was thinking the same thing. Plus, having worked in the construction business for a while now I have learned that just because something is made of the same material doesn't mean it can hold up to the same stress.
Any thoughts on the Noveske BCG?
If you put a quality spring for your extractor you shouldn't need a o ring.None of my Colts came with o rings and they're 100%.
Yup, Sprinco 5 coil best, Colt second..
Daniel Defense is top shelf products that are combat proven. Like you said before about what is this used for. SHTF rifle then I would go with the DANIEL Defense but you're going to pay hefty for it. When the national guard is sent door to door to confiscate weapons they will appreciate all of our hard earned money buying them the best rifles. It sucks but the reality of it is starring us in the face. God help us all.
Very true!our government is a tyranny in progress, and they WILL be confiscating our personal possessions.
Wow I didn’t know that about Daniel Defense. Even with their weak retraction I can’t support Daniel defense. I will be buying a POF minuteman now or the POF Wonder. I like the heat sink barrel nut idea and the push pull extraction. Daniel defense certainly made the choice easier though.
u know bcm and sons of liberty make rifles just as good if not better than dd if that is the only reason u r getting a piston gun.
The rifles you own now might be the last rifles you get own. Buy Daniel Defense. #2ndAmendment
Always get the best that you can reasonably afford. For some people it's gonna be Palmetto or Aero, for others Daniel Defense or a Radian etc.
That is over staked if you need to replace that have fun , ive had fifty plus ar rifles and never had a screw come loose
Sure you did lol..If a gas key is not torqued and staked properly the bolts can loosen or break..The Aero was not properly staked..
What’s wrong with the mil spec bolts & carriers at $75?
The $75 BCG may be the same material and within dimensional tolerances but it likely isn't genuine MILSPEC. The primary differences are quality control and government inspection (to verify parts meet the Military Standard).
Search "the truth about mil-spec" and a (dated) article in Defense Review PDF will come up. The article explains what MILSPEC really means.
To be honest I have had so many different BCGs over the years and I have never had one fail for any reason and I have run the guns extremely hard at machine gun shoots.
I do think DD are snake oil peddlers on their guns. You know their buyers are the cork sniffer types generally speaking.
I owned a DD rifle several years back and it was nothing special really and not very stable as far as accuracy goes lots of stringers on paper. I did a range test between a Ruger AR and the DD I had and there was no difference in the accuracy.
Another guy at the range that day had a DPMS M4 and his gun was more consistent and had tighter bullet groupings.
I you like DD then by all means buy their products its a free country. Me personally I had one one and don't plan on getting another.
richard Turk thisssssss
I usually stand by you get what you pay for, but the point of diminishing returns comes quickly in the gun world. I also believe in the world of Gucci ar’s, Daniel defense is bottom of the barrel. I say this as someone that’s played with them, Barrett Rec-7’s , lwrc rifles and so forth.
@@mr.excitement689 I'm in a similar boat.
There hasn't been much change in the world of firearms, at least not enough to make myself and many others drop the older stuff, IE the remington 700's, and purpose built ar's.
When someone can exceed accuracy per $, and or create a borderline service less firearm I may change my tune.
However, until then I'll still be rocking my tried and true 700's, and my budget minded (not cheap) ar's.
I'd also like to note I am NOT dogging on companies like DD, Noveske, ect. they make phenomenal products, but the dollar for dollar value isn't there in my eyes.
Dpms over DD lmao. I own a colt 6920 a Daniel defense, and a windham weaponry. DD makes a fine rifle, most of the hate on them is just guys who can’t afford to buy them. I don’t see guys in the field running dpms or PSA but there’s DD being ran and some with 203s so no there get what you pay for rifles.
aero precision it is!!!
Carpet is a good background. Also, got to go with DD. Of course I'm biased, being I own one lol
I think more people are interested in the carpet haha
I get the strong feeling that you want to say that BCG is not worth the extra money but you are afraid of upsetting a potential sponsor.
That Aero bolt looks suspiciously exactly like an AIM surplus bolt. I have used AIM bolts in multiple rifles and none have failed me so far.
bigschank all bolts look the same
I usually go to Ally/ Arm or Aim. They are as far as I understand made by ToolCraft. It all depends on who is shipping free but I've never had an problems with either Company.
They are most likely both from the same OEM with a different coating and branding. Toolcraft provides good value for their products, and ia probably the OEM for both. I don't need no Gucci BCGs.
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Toolcraft DLC bolts for me EVERY TIME!!! The MPI Carpenter steel ones. I have to go to their website directly to order usually since Arm Ally is often sold out.
In my opinion, the PSA premium bcg when on sale for $70, is the best bang for the buck. I have several and the staking is excellent, fully tested and inspected, and 100% mil spec
@Ron Gosling never knew that about being made by toolcraft. Good to know.
Milspec does not mean better quality. In fact it's probably made by the lowest priced vendor
@@jungleno. funny that you say that. It has nothing to do with the pricing. It's all about the materials and the process. So far, nobody has come up with better materials to make a bcg.
@@vinceruland9236 Yes, they have, 9310 bolts beat c158, s7 beats that and LMT is using aermet 100 for the currently best (and by far most expensive) bolt.
Gotta remember the original milspec was written over 50 years ago, materials have changed a lot in that time. The LMT enhanced bolt is 289$ for JUST the bolt, it's another 120$ for their carrier too.
I have a sweet original "early" Daniel Defense M4A1 serial number 102xxx that came with a chromed full-auto Daniel Defense BCG that has now been discontinued for a few years... and I absolutely love it. The quality of it is TOP notch.
I was hoping to buy another one but these full-auto DD chromed BCG are extremely hard to find now days.
I'd put money on Daniel Defense using the appropriate gas key staking tool. Aero-Precision is most likely staking the key bolts by using a manual punch operation. The tool isn't that expensive. I love Aero-Precision, but if you make these rifles for a living you should use the staking tool. It doesn't mean the manual staking doesn't work just fine, it does. but, you can get inconsistent results with it if you aren't paying attention. Still, for the money, I'd get the Aero BCG and just check the staking on the key myself. Of course, I have a staking tool.
Unless your buying an enhanced BCG the DD bcg is not worth the money. I rather buy a Sharps rifle company bcg than a DD. I have a patriot ordinance factory bcg in my .300 AAC for home defense. $210. Like kotaboy32 said depends what your using the rifle for. Great comparison!🇺🇸💪🏼👍🏼
DD supported gun control. I will never support a gun company that ever has. DD, Springfield, Rock River will never get a dollar from me.
Good video, I run the BCM in “go to” rifle and PSA premium in others with no issues to date
Both are excellent..splitting hairs..
GRIFFIN ARMAMENT is also really really good..
I have both and I have shot the ever loving fire out of the Aero Precision without one problem.
I cant take a company seriously if their stripped lowers are out of spec.I bought two Aero stripped lowers a gen2 and a m4e1.Both were out of spec so I wouldn't be able to trust anything Aero makes.
@@realisrealite5554 I had a similar problem with an aero. Came with a lemon for a bolt carrier too.
I like the gray
I would compare DD to BCM
I believe they're both made by Microbest so the only difference is the signage.
180 bcm ion coated bcg or 200 dd bcg
You decide I’ll stick with aero 120.00
I'd rather have a spare then a DD BCG cause I have 5 Ar's. Even a DD BCG can and will fail at some point.
lol you should do a review on the surfire BCG. Then you can really say. It’s a little PRICEY
Lmt ebcg steps into chat..... (now 600$+)
Absolutely digging the carpet.
I bought a Stag arms NB BCG and it's staked hard like the DD is. in all things considered is $200 bcg really that expensive? especially that that's the price for 250 rds now? I would choose a NB coated bcg but that's just me.
God NO!!! It’s not EVER worth the extra money for a BCG unless you want the bragging rights. The BARREL is where you should invest your money….
Two thumbs up for the lighting, background, etc. It's perfect! I have 2 PSA bcg's. A Nib, and a bottom of the barrel that I paid $50 for. The cheap one felt pretty gritty at first, especially compared to the NiB. But guess what - the cheap one works just as good. Music at the end also gets two thumbs up!
I like Toolcraft myself. Great product at a great price. Black nitride and dlc are really nice! I think they make Aero Precision and PSA bcg's. I don't think the DD bcg is all that special...
Aero Precision makes excellent products. I'm a huge fan
They do and if you catch their sales you an get it for a great price. I got my nickel boron Bcg for under $200 on a sale.
I love me some AERO P!!!!!!!!
High quality video, thanks. I like my DDM4V7 Pro. Interested to learn about Aero.
Looks like my BCM which looks like my Spikes which looks like my premium PSA. My Sharps looks and performs better than them all!
The Sharps 5.57 BCG is great. I have been hugely disappointed with their .308 BCG.
How do you know your Sharps is "performing better"??? I agree they all look the same but... that's just a truly rediculius statement.
Dee-Bee Kooper the point is the Sharps offers a different look, build, and finish. So to make you happy I will restate that the Sharps is a better option related to its features.
I bought the Sharps BCG with the sand cuts in it a few months back. Works great and it didn't maul my bank account.
Go ask Chris at Regular Guy Training, he just did a video on one brand where he had to replace 2 bolts in 15,000 rounds etc.
You get a lemon every once in awhile. Toolcraft makes great BCGs. In the comments of the video people asked what one he got. I take it he bought the lower priced instead of paying for the better
Wil Hathaway don’t they make most of them for many manufacturers? And isn’t it Anderson who makes most of the lowers? I also remember DPMS did. lower parts for others or something. My point is it’s all basically the same Mil-Spec stuff, some are maybe polished or coated or whatever but same stuff.
@@justplinkin4809 that's precisely why milspec is completely meaningless as a term, if it were milspec it would be made in one way, within the allowed specifications. If one is polishing that and coating this, they're made to different specs. Not the military one.
Titanium Rain Milspec is a minimum standard not a set of hard and fast rules. It’s kind of like building a house that meets code, it can always be better than code.
@@justplinkin4809 That's not what it means. Engineering specs are strict, for a good reason. Milspec means that something meets the MIL-STD standard, and the MIL-STD for the M16 and M4 state that the rifle/carbine need to be manufactured to the specs on the Colt TDP.
It's not the same thing as a building code. I have the Colt TDP for the M16 on my computer, want me to read it? Here's what's on the carrier key page:
Steel, AISI 4130 - Gun quality - Maximum BHN 229. Notes: 1. Finish 125 except as noted. 2. Suggested heat treat procedure: oil quench from 1575º. Temper at 1100º for 1 hour. 3. Finish 1.22.2 of MIL-STD-171 on dia -A- and -C-. Film thickness .0002/.0003. 4. All other surfaces to receive finish 5.3.1.2 of MIL-STD-171. 5. Break sharp edges .005+.010. 6. MIL-W-13855 applies. 7. For gaging purposed only. The depth of penetration of a .1158-.0002 gage pin shall be 1.100 min to 1.135 max.
The bolt carrier? AISI 8260. Finish 125 in surface roughness, 1.22.2 of MIL-STD-171, yadda yadda yadda I'm not copying all the notes. The bolt? Carpenter 158. The classic. That's milspec.
It's an engineering spec. It's not a building code. You can't show up with something different and say "it's better than code!" because it will be rejected. It doesn't meet spec. Engineering specs tell you exactly what you need to deliver. It's the blueprints with the correct dimensions, tolerances, materials, surface roughness, heat treatment, hardness and surface finish. Even the color of the anodized aluminum parts is part of the spec, it tells you that the military will accept them in a range from black to grey and specifies the MIL-STD regarding the colors.
No offense, but I do this for a living.
I'm really liking this series, great job. The answer to is DD worth the $$$ on any part is usually a hard hell NO. What you pay for is their MASSIVE marketing budget. Good parts, just over rated and over priced as all get up. And before the DD fanboys jump on this, yes, I am a certified armorer, so I have seen and used a few BCGs in my time!
You are correct.
As a certified Armorer myself, I know that many of these AR assembler companies simply outsource, ( to one extent or another, ) the parts used in their guns.
The more budget-minded companies will simply install the vendor supplied part into their AR while another company that charges more will add their embroidery to it, ( such as the BCG that dd uses, ) by laser engraving on it before installing it into their guns.
So in this instance, the increased price difference that one is paying for is the company's logo on the out-sourced BCG.. that's it.
@@stevewhisperer6609 Daniel Defence manufacturers their own BCG. They are manufacturer not and asembler.
@@michamichaowski8375 hate to burst your bubble, but unless they changed something in recent years, the BCGs used in their 5.56, .300 B/O, 6.8, etc, are sourced from a vendor, ( Microbest, typically ).
Now, for the DD5 line, those BCGs are actually machined and assembled in house.
I thought the Aero was 9310 and The DD was carpenter 158
BCM & D.D = top teir Military grade hardware. AERO PRECISION = range toy
The Weight was Identical !!! Boron !!!
I’d Rather save the money !!
I never buy ANYTHING from DD, ever. Overpriced and NOT worth the money.
AP all the way.
That sure is a purdy background. Also on an unrelated note... GO VOTE OUT ALL TYRANNICAL POLITICIANS AND DONT EXPECT SOMEONE ELSE TO VOTE THEM OUT!!!!
You’re just paying for the name, cheap palmetto carriers are just as good.
Love the background and the content
no just paying for the DD name..... if they both were the same price I would take the aero just for the NIB coating being superior to phosphate......
I’d Take The Aero And Buy Ammo With The Savings 😊🔥😊👍🏼
In my opinion I think BCM has the best BCG in the game
Agreed
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I think your gray carpet looks good. I think it's fine. No doubt that Daniel Defense makes a great bolt carrier but you also have to remember that you're paying for the name is it really any better than Aero precision? I seriously doubt it. At least not for my money.
I love lwrci bolt carriers... I have had zero issues with all my lwrci rifles and parts
No I think you nailed all of them... I really like LWRC BCG for there milled gas key
I dunno. The grey tweed background makes your arms look fat. jjking.
Any BCG can fail. A milspec BCG is a milspec BCG. The big difference is what coating you get. Phosphate being the hardest to clean. If you have the money to buy the more expensive one because you think it is better than a cheaper one, then by all means satisfy your little pea brain. I've been shooting/building these things since the early 90's, and I can tell you...IT DOESN'T MATTER. Keep it clean and lubed up and it will all be just fine. (By clean I don't mean white glove/q-tip clean, just functionally clean). THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IS STRONGER THAN THE PEOPLE IN POWER 🇱🇷🏴☠️
if you want a gucci BCG get a JP Enterprises. Otherwise Toolcraft or Aero works just fine.
Premium price for a PHOSPHATE coated BCG??? Get out of town! I don't buy any phosphated parts for my AR-15 builds any more.
I prefer Nitride or DLC. My bolts are all MPI carpenter steel with black DLC coating. Carriers are SBN.
I am NOT a NiB fan at all.
You can't really expect Aero to measure up to DD.... they are at 2 different levels entirely. Speaking for the BCG (not lower, etc.) Aero is not professional-grade or "work gun" worthy. NiB extractor? Isn't the point of that part to grip onto the casing and pull it from the chamber? So why coat it with slippery coating? Who spends a lot of time cleaning carbon from the outside of the carrier? The cleaning challenges are in its bore, which DD has chrome lined. Chrome is infinitely better than NiB, which is nothing more than a cosmetic fad.
if your running any carbine length gas system or pistol AR spend the money...get a heavy duty bcg...if you cheap out it will break...no light weight...wont last 10,000 rounds...spend more on parts like this
Take a flat head screwdriver and hammer the staking? Um NO, how about a punch....then only if it fails the reverse torques testing. I own both of these and zero issues on either, then I bought a $60 toolcraft on sale, and yes it looks like a $60 BCG, however, it shoots, ejects, and functions the same, frankly so far, it just works. I throw it in my range bag just in case the others puke. The nickel boron is nice and smooth makes it easy to clean. So a $200 BCG and its only phosphate? Well ok I guess if you got to have the double D's on it. Here's the deal, you put same grip, trigger, stock, handguard on a Aero as the DD and hand it to a range buddy have them shoot them without knowing which, and they can only guess. The difference is how light your wallet is. The reality is I built the cheapest possible 7.62x39 AR I could, even has a $49 Bear Creek Arsenal barrel, just wanted to shoot cheep Russian crap ammo... that's no longer cheap, (Thanks JB) but its 1 moa at 100 and good ammo even less 1/2 moa? Who would have though that?? So build to make you happy and only you. Anderson's work great, but I'm more a Aero guy now, just personal preference and an armchair gunsmith... LOL love your channel, please do more like this, How about an 8.6 BO build as almost nothing on them...
This is a comparison on looks? Damn. Pull out a blueprint, some calipers, and measure the things.
If that guy can shoot 15,000 rounds which today cost roughly $9000 he can get a new DD or BCM BCG
DO NOT BUY DANIEL DEFENSE ANYTHING!!! I purchased a Daniel Defense quad rail for my first AR build several years ago. The rail now bends left and right with the slightest bump to the side of the rail and will not hold zero for nothing with iron sights. Daniel Defense would not RMA the defective part for a new rail. If you have problems with the stuff they sell you probably will not get a warranty.. Screw DD never again, Aero Precision on the other hand WILL replace or fix defective merchandise they sell. AERO PRECISION for the win
On a side note I have 2 Aero BCG with the nickel coating and it is so slick and runs flawlessly. It cleans up very easy as well. +++++Aero BCG++++++
The cheapo works but man they are ugly. Id rather have something from cryptic coatings.
I hear DD, PSA, Aero and BCM but what about the hundreds of others on the market?? I bought a Bushmaster on sale and appears to be a quality BCG! I have a DD M4 V11 keymod so I do know quality but I'm like these other guys, AMMO!! More AMMO! Lol
No, it's not. Nothing about Daniel Defense is worth the money. Outside of mall ninja feelings, it's a placebo effect.