What Is Stoicism? Comparing Orthodox Christianity and Stoic Philosophy (Sponsored Stream)
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
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Stoicism brought me to Orthodoxy.
Seems like that is true for a lot of people.
Same.
My favourite book until this day second to the Bible is Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
Same!!!
Same. Now a catechumen at a Greek Orthodox Church.
Was looking at Wim Hof method before Orthodoxy
Dude you are one of the best at this. from the topics to the style of presentation, you’re very informative. We can’t thank you enough ☦️☦️☦️
Man, what a wonderful compliment to pay to this man; and you’re spot on: he truly does a great job
Thank you so much brother. I appreciate the kind words for my work. God Bless you and yours
Thank you brother
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I absolutely agree. After years of being resistant to “Orthodoxy”, he helped me not only open up to it, but become fascinated and fully ready to embrace it. Especially as one coming out of the New Age and eastern mystic movement.
I know The Lord Jesus is pleased with the imprint he’s leaving for the Gospel in these times 🙏
Stoicism was a stepping stone into Holy Orthodoxy for me. Thank you for this contrast and comparison. ☦️🙏
I just ordered The Porch And The Cross book on Stoicism and Christianity
TO YOUNG PEOPLE,
HOW TO BENEFIT FROM THE GREEK LETTERS (philosophies)...by Saint Basil the Great I recommend it for those who read ancient Greek philosophers
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Thanks Leon.
Great analysis DPH. Stoicism and modern Stoic practices helped me get to Orthodoxy. The Fathers made it, Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism better when they submitted them to God. It’s so clearly in their writings and practices in the Philokalia. Like the memento mori and breaking down the Logismoi the way Aurelius and Epictetus imagine food rotten and decayed to see the true nature of things. Imagining oneself before Christ on judgement day rather than the view from above.
Traditionional Taoism too. Very different than the Western use of Taoism for New Age and postmodernism. They throw out all the Taoist belief in family, manners and virtue. Same with Heraclitus who thought there was a need for common sense laws.
When I saw a video on Fr Rose being a student of real Taoism after he realized Alan Watts was full of it…. well, here I am!
Thank you very much brother for all your support of my work. I truly appreciate it.
God bless you AC ☦️
Ac and I’m trying to trace the practices of Self examination and confession to pre Christian roots in philosophy after running across references to it by Michel Foucault of all people. I picked up his “technologies of the self” awhile back.
And St Paisius Velichkovsky talked about how to co struggle with one other person, as in a Skete situation, which could be done in marriage for example…there are five key practices to struggle towards Theosis…
@@orthodoxboomergrandma3561 I think it’s there as early as Genesis when Abraham is at the graves, he and Jacob engage in contemplation and meditate. The Psalms and Wisdom books have that aspect, at one point they say Know Thyself.
Interesting! In contrast to the Orthodox spiritual idea that we should not use the imagination in contemplative prayer.
The timing of this content is very good, as I'm researching Stoicism and it's relation to Christianity. The document you posted deserves this donation 👏
Thank you very much brother for the support
Thx for the stream and the kind responses of the people in chat. I learned a lot. God bless you all!
Glad it was useful
Cognitive behavioral therapy has elements of Stoicism for sure. I used to teach my clients the idea that they could control their thoughts in reaction to external events which would then help their emotional reactions be less intense and painful or unpleasant.
We taught clients to become aware of their major cognitive distortions like “black and white thinking” and assisted them to change their core beliefs to have basically a more stoic view of situations in life.
RIP to Michael Sugrue. He’s the best philosophy professor i’ve found on youtube. Loved this video!
You should check Jay Dyer out
Loved your comments on Vervaeke vs Marcus A. I was very intrigued by V cos of my clinical psychologist career lol. But he’s devoted to his precious intellectual project and creating jargon as the gate keeper into his “world view” etc… his talks with the uncanonical Orthodox Bishop gave me hope but he’ll never crucify his intellect. Nor will JBP. Thank God Fr S Rose did.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:31 *The stream focuses on stoicism, exploring its philosophy and comparing it to Eastern Orthodoxy.*
05:31 *An 11-page document detailing stoicism and Orthodoxy will be discussed, highlighting major contributors and differences.*
08:00 *The concept of "logos" is crucial in both stoicism and Christianity, influencing their philosophical frameworks.*
10:04 *Stoicism's view of virtue as the highest good emphasizes rationality and alignment with the logos.*
15:23 *Stoicism promotes the idea that emotions should not be influenced by external circumstances, focusing on internal control.*
21:05 *The four primary stoic virtues are wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice, guiding one's moral duty.*
24:41 *Unlike Christians, stoics do not emphasize an afterlife or salvation, focusing instead on living virtuously in the present.*
27:10 *Stoicism's rising popularity among young men reflects a search for identity against the backdrop of hedonistic and consumerist culture.*
29:01 *Stoicism is being adapted as a self-help philosophy in contemporary culture, promoting resilience and personal control.*
29:29 *Psychotherapy integrates Stoic principles to emphasize individual free will in responding to the world rather than being reactive victims of external circumstances.*
30:49 *The contemporary appeal of Stoicism lies in its practical and rational approach, offering personal empowerment without the obligations of religious communities.*
31:43 *Stoicism transcends class structures, promoting virtue regardless of social status, as seen in figures like Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus.*
34:08 *Marcus Aurelius, despite being the most powerful man of his time, often expressed his loneliness and disappointment in those around him not pursuing virtue.*
35:30 *Marcus Aurelius did not actively persecute Christians, but viewed their refusal to engage in the imperial religion as irrational, leading to societal scapegoating instead.*
36:25 *Stoicism is a cosmopolitan philosophy accommodating diverse backgrounds, emphasizing personal virtue that allows individuals to coexist harmoniously regardless of their status or culture.*
48:56 *The Stoic mindset prioritizes moral obligations and inner virtue over external pleasures, highlighting the importance of self-control and rationality in living a fulfilling life.*
52:11 *Marcus Aurelius is noted as a rarity among rulers, demonstrating that absolute power did not corrupt him, but rather revealed his true virtuous character.*
54:04 *Marcus Aurelius represents a model of self-control and virtue in the face of immense temptation, distinct from ordinary human struggles.*
55:15 *Stoicism asserts that all humans possess rational nature, enabling the control of feelings and actions, and that virtue is accessible to everyone.*
56:09 *Despite stoicism's effectiveness in promoting resilience against external factors, individuals often struggle with living a life of true virtue and meaning.*
57:01 *Zeno, the founder of stoicism, established it as a systematic philosophy intertwining ethics, physics, and logic, asserting that virtue is the ultimate good.*
58:09 *The concept of 'logos' in stoicism serves as the rational principle linking nature, human rationality, and ethical behavior.*
59:33 *Early stoics followed the teachings of philosophers like Socrates, focusing on the importance of rationality and virtue over mere hedonism.*
01:01:36 *Stoicism supports a deterministic view of the universe but also recognizes human free will within a rational framework.*
01:03:13 *Epictetus emphasized the importance of distinguishing between what is within our control and what is not, promoting internal peace.*
01:04:51 *True freedom in stoicism is achieved through mastery over desires, aligning oneself with nature's rational order.*
01:07:39 *Marcus Aurelius articulated stoic philosophy through personal reflections in "Meditations," focusing on duty and responsibility.*
01:10:12 *Stoic concepts of virtue, inner peace, and the logos significantly influenced early Christian thought, merging Greek philosophy with Hebrew prophetic traditions.*
01:11:23 *Both stoicism and Christianity promote a moral responsibility framework, emphasizing the importance of individual ethical choices.*
01:13:23 *Stoicism holds a pantheistic view of the logos as an impersonal force, while Christianity views the logos as the personal embodiment in Christ.*
01:15:23 *Stoicism generally denies personal immortality, contrasting with Christianity’s belief in an eternal soul and afterlife.*
01:18:44 *Salvation in Orthodox Christianity is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ and a life of virtue, contrasting with Stoicism's focus on individual rationality.*
01:19:23 *Emotions are perceived differently; Stoics view them as disturbances to be controlled, while Orthodox Christians embrace emotions as part of the human experience.*
01:19:44 *Stoicism emphasizes individual virtue over communal worship, whereas Orthodox Christianity stresses the importance of community and communal worship.*
01:20:30 *Orthodox Christian practices include liturgical worship and sacraments as central to faith, lacking equivalents in Stoicism, which prioritizes meditation and rational reflection.*
01:21:24 *Stoicism lacks a developed eschatology, with an eternal cyclical universe, while Orthodox Christianity teaches about the second coming of Christ and final judgment.*
01:21:49 *Stoicism's epistemology is based on reason and impressions leading to knowledge, while Orthodox Christianity emphasizes divine revelation and experiencing God through grace and the sacraments.*
01:22:20 *Stoic ethics centers on living in accordance with nature and reason, as opposed to Orthodox teachings grounded in love and grace through relationship with God.*
01:32:25 *Orthodox Christianity views God as a personal, transcendent being, contrasting with Stoicism's identification of the divine with the rational order of the universe.*
01:34:17 *Salvation in Orthodox Christianity involves eternal communion with God, whereas Stoicism lacks a clear concept of afterlife and personal salvation.*
01:36:48 *Stoicism experienced a resurgence in the 21st century, influencing self-help, psychology, and leadership, showing its relevance in contemporary discussions on ethics and resilience.*
01:42:34 *Marcus Aurelius emphasizes that sickness is inevitable, and rational action is necessary for recovery rather than complaining.*
01:43:02 *His stoicism is persuasive because he practices what he preaches, facing challenges without complaint.*
01:44:11 *There's a connection between moral and political philosophy in Marcus Aurelius' thinking, where order in the soul aligns with societal order.*
01:45:00 *Both Marcus Aurelius and Epicurus prioritize the importance of having an orderly soul for a fulfilling life, regardless of social status.*
01:46:14 *He views death as a universal phenomenon, urging people not to fear it but to live rationally.*
01:47:40 *Marcus remains agnostic about the existence of gods but argues that if they exist, they are good and would not harm a just person.*
01:50:22 *The Stoic philosophy suggests either accepting a godless universe without fear or finding solace in the belief that gods support virtuous living.*
01:51:04 *Orthodoxy builds upon Stoicism by clarifying moral rules through the lens of nature and the teachings of Christ.*
01:52:28 *Virtue, according to both Stoicism and Kant, is sufficient in itself, focusing on rationality and moral behavior.*
01:54:05 *Marcus Aurelius encourages individuals to control their behavior and emotions, as true freedom comes from self-mastery.*
01:56:12 *He warns against self-indulgence, emphasizing that rationality leads to goodness and fulfillment.*
02:00:08 *Living a good life is likened to preparing for unexpected challenges rather than being reactive to anger and frustration.*
02:03:54 *The importance of kindness, understanding others, and maintaining a proper perspective on our actions and their worth is emphasized for ethical living.*
02:05:29 *Obstacles can be transformed into opportunities for growth, as the mind is capable of adapting to and overcoming adversity.*
02:05:44 *Seven points outlined to understand the Stoic concept of logos.*
02:06:12 *Logos is described as a power or principle that shapes and creates everything.*
02:07:08 *Logos is associated with the generative fire, reflecting the Stoics' view of nature.*
02:07:49 *The Numa, unlike matter, unifies the universe and holds its parts together.*
02:08:31 *Stoic logos is manifested as natural law and functions on multiple levels, including moral.*
02:09:11 *Stoicism is not Christianity; it has pantheistic elements but shares similarities in virtue.*
02:09:40 *Stoicism is viewed as useful for self-help but lacks the religious dimension found in Christianity.*
02:12:27 *Upcoming stream will discuss spiritual warfare and demonic tactics with an Orthodox priest.*
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Good, and detailed show. Thank you. I've always found stoicism too grim. It does have limited uses, however.
Thanks brother
God bless brother Patrik ☦️
Good stream topic
ooooooo weeeeee this is gonna be good.
Hope you like it
Has anyone read St Nilus of Ancyra's writings on Christianity and stoicism? Found online but haven't heard anyone discuss it.
Слава православию ☦️☦️☦️
I’m skimming through Durant The Story of Philosophy. Maybe with that and Dr Sugrue I can get a basic philosophical grounding
Cant believed I missed this.
Can we please get the document? Thanks!
My priest made me read Seneca on death.can’t recall name of book
So no CHAOS in Stoicism?