I’ve always been drawn to the mystery of God. Hmmm…lots to take from this. I especially understand the part that talked about not being able to separate theology from mysticism. That’s what makes it hard and lonely place as a Christian to also be a mystic. We aren’t to discuss theology because it only causes division among believers. So the knowledge we find is really only for us and not to be shared with the body of Christ. Especially when observing other religious beliefs in our connection to God.
@@da4dimSomewhat. I can’t remember who it was but there’s a quote that goes “All mystics speak the same language.” or something to that effect. Although, I do believe that what separates this sometimes is that mystics, particularly Christian mystics, will resolve their mysticism to rest in Christ alone in a strictly teleological manner.
Thank you for this, I appreciate the video as an Orthodox Christian - I have long been interested in the mysticism in my faith but it’s hard to tackle as you’ve said.
@s-order-nomada quote from "Oh Brother, Were Art Thou" - "That don't make no sense." There's nothing mystical about destroying your country because it's too diverse for you. American conservatism belongs to our ex president anti-christ.
@@louseveryann2181 as you get closer to living like Iisus Hristos, ofcourse your made in the image of God is gonna show. We are kings of this world, this is our garden that God made for us, and we have power over it.
Thankyou for this video! I'm a Christian who came to faith via buddhist mysticism and having a profound mystical experience of God in the emptiness that I experienced through buddhist emptying of ego. I have often found it hard to contextualise this experience as a Christian, especailly as a attend a Protestant church. This video has really helped me integrate the mystical experience into my Christian identity in a way that was previously a little jarring. The descriptions by these mystics sound very similar to the buddhist ideas i was reading but with God at the centre. I really appreciate the deep research and deep understanding of the topic you have put into this video
Interestingly you're the second person I've heard say they came from Buddhism and found Christianity. I'm not subscribed to any religion but I did the opposite coming from a southern Christian background and exploring Buddhism. For me its been a wonderful breath of fresh air. I have a feeling this is something meaningful. I think both religions have a lot to offer each other.
If you came from Buddhism I think you might feel more at home in an Eastern Orthodox church. Although it's for God to decide where He wants you to be, it might be worth looking into deeper if you haven't already.
There's a book called prayer of the heart that talks about Christian mysticism through prayer that goes through a lot of the teachings of St Teresa on the subject of ecstatic prayer
You should look into Catherine of Siena. She starved herself into hallucinations and believed she had an invisible wedding ring that was made of Jesus’s foreskin
There is also a book called the Bible that you should really check out. I'm just kidding around saying it like. I'm sure you know about the Bible but I just found it concerning that the host of the video is quoting ppl all over the place but doesn't quote the Bible. He even quotes someone and then says the person was considered a heretic. I just think calling one's self a "mystic Christian" is dangerous ground. Now of course in the US you can be whatever religion you want up to and including making up your own religion and I'm not trying to be the typical judgy Christian I'm just saying if you want to be a Christian then the most important part of that is to know Jesus and know that He said He is the way the truth and the life and no man goes to the Father but through Him. I can be wrong of course and I'm always learning but from what I understand by reading God's word is you can either be a Christian or be a mystic but based on the Bible I don't think you can do both even under the very broad definition of Mysticism that the host of the video uses. For the record I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit but those gifts are from God to use for His glory not ours and the Bible is quite clear that we are not to practice magic, divination, necromancy ect. I pray you will at least think about this.
@gracew4194, He mentioned the Bible a number of times, including the Old Testament, Luke and Paul's road to Damascus experience. I hear people talk about not doing magic but then talk about the gifts of the spirit, healings, and other miracles prayed for, which look a lot like magic to me. It's the theology that differs. If you believe in the all-knowing planned world, then praying sounds a lot like you want special dispensation to break God's plan. Not to mention the wise men who used the stars to find Jesus. If you read Mathew, Mark, and Luke, you get a very different picture of Jesus's teachings than John and Paul. Paul hardly talks about Jesus's biography like the 4 gospels. He's more interested in passing on his mystical messages from the passed on Jesus (which is the very definition of necromancy, that is talking to the dead sorry you probably think that's blasphemy). The first three focus on upholding Jewish laws and getting to God through that law, your actions, as good works. Jesus doesn't mention being God tho does say he's the son of man. John gets very mystical and out there and with Paul focuses on simply believing in Jesus being enough to get forgiveness regardless of your good or bad works. It seems to me Revelation is very mystical and symbolic though full of failed prophecies, since they were supposed to happen before Paul, the disciples and their followers died as Paul said not to bother marrying since the end was nigh. Revelation also uses a lot of stars and magical imagery and symbols.
Master Eckhart isn't bashing mystical experience, rather he's saying it's not the be all and end all. The visions are useful as they are motivation God is sending us that we are on the right path. But the visions themselves are not the goal, the goal is union with the divine. These mystical experiencies imo are the bedrock of faith. And it's faith that we use to attain union with God.
As a Protestant Christian, A.W. Tozer was essential for my discovery of Christian Mysticism. I needed to learn about it because I began experiencing visions and miracles, but because I am Protestant, we try to out-rationalize the mystical qualities of Christianity. Thank you for this video. Even though I am not planning on converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy, I have so much respect and gratitude towards my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters.
Also protestant and these question arent coming from a place of judgment but curiosity. What kind of visions have you been having? Were they super overt? How did you know they were coming from God? I feel like ive experienced something similar but i find myself over-rationalizing.
23 years ago, 'The Cloud of Unknowing and other works' became the catalyst that confirmed my technique and experiences and sealed the deal, so to speak! Highly recommended. Also 'The Mystic in Love' holds some useful reminders of the frequency & resonance in prose & poetry.
I'm currently reading prayer of the heart in Christian and sufi mysticism. It's good but it's taking me a while to get through because it's got a lot to chew on. Gotta take it in small chunks and let it marinate
Superb and noble work. What makes your content stand out amongst many other channels with high intellectual and scholarly brilliance, is the glow that your heart lends to your work. It is obvious that all these deep and mystical topics moves you way beyond academic curiosity and the Nous seeps through in very nourishiing ways for us on the other end of the screen. Wish you the very best for your continual path.
Experience. Unite. Become. I agree. I have experienced all of that. I finally realized that I am a mystic. It was not explained nto me as a child and I had no religious upbringing. However, I have experienced the Union with God as an intense Love and Peace and as a Union with the light. There is no human love that can be compared with such divine Love. It is absolutely amazing but also, I recognized that this is where I came from. My soul recognized HOME... Twice. I experienced it twice. Both times I was meditating in silence. The fist time in 2004 it was the Union with the Light, LOVE and PEACE... The second time in 2010, it was the Passionate Longing that was beyond my understanding as it was so passionate and made me cry for hours and hours as the Love was beyond any limit. 24:00. I never heard of this until now! Thank you for this video💗. You are explaining what I experienced. What an incredible video!!!
I must thank Filip for his scholarly investigation into christian mysticism. As a catholic myself, it's heartening to note that his faith is moving in the right direction. New Testament's original christian references to mysticism are found in John 4:24, 6:53-54, 10:30, Matthew 5:48, 6:22, 16:18-19, among many more. And the book of Revelation is a compilation of mystical experiences of the 'beloved' mystic disciple & apostle, John. It is evident that Christ himself a mystic, taught spiritual (esoteric) mysticism to his direct disciples. With the passing of time, Successors of Christ's sacred teachings could not find suitable disciples to transmit the sacred esoteric teachings and so were 'lost' to the christian world and replaced by Church Christianity. Gradually, except for a few, interest in the sacred esoteric teachings the christian mystics practiced waned, and therefore remained hidden from catholics generally. However, God never ignores sincere truth-seekers (Luke 11:9) the opportunity to learn the secret esoteric knowledge, kept hidden from unprepared minds, in every Age. The Bhagavad Gita IV:7-8, declares that in every Age God incarnates in human form to restore the lost teachings that unite the soul with God-the underlying essence of every true religion. For those who are interested in understanding and learning everything about mysticism, it is necessary to learn the sacred esoteric teachings in its purity from a master mystic, an incarnation of God. Paramahansa Yogananda, in his "Autobiography of A Yogi," discloses the original esoteric teachings-the keys (Matthew 16:19)-that all great prophets and mystics in every religion used to unlock the "gates of heaven" and pass on to their 'prepared' disciples awaiting liberation from the three-fold sufferings: physical disease, mental inharmony, and spiritual ignorance. There are two ways to practice religion: 1. By the snail's-pace, natural evolutionary process of gradual unfoldment of Truth (Self-realization), or 2. By choosing the super-fast spiritual highway-the keys-to reach one's life's objective-Self-realization-in the shortest time. I sincerely hope Filip's wonderful exposition of this enlightening subject will prompt truth-seeking catholics to transcend the limiting dogmatic religious boundaries and learn the "true religion" of God-realization that Christ taught. This can be one of the ways to save Christ's Church from becoming irrelevant or going astray in the present Age. 🙏
I have a question as someone who sees himself as a sincere truth-seeker. I’ve been estranged from the church for about a decade, but want to go to one that would be… at least tolerant of Christian Mysticism and the content of all encompassing love found in mystical states. Do you have any ideas? Or is all institutional religion too far from mysticism?
As a fellow Catholic, rather than going outright to the yogis of the orient for teachings of esoteric truths, I would recommend to you the book Meditation on the Tarot A journey into Christian Hermeticism, Letters to Unknown Friends, specifically written by an Anonymous author, a devout Catholic himself and a lifelong hermeticist who very specifically seeks to return knowledge of the Christian Esoteric tradition which is still alive and had been kept alive in places, notably France itself. It has the approval of none other than Hans Urs Von Balthasar which has been heartening for many a hesitant reader.
Ephesians 9 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
I mean no disrespect but I recommend you to buy the catechism and consider to start practicing this "dogma of religious practices". God-realization is great and all, but they should all be aligned with teachings that have been forged for 2 thousand years. Where is the mana? The sacraments instituted by Christ to his apostles, and how do you live the beatitudes? These are spiritual realities that lead you towards one path, the Father.
What a treat, Filip! Thanks a lot. Very much aware of the amount of work you did for this. Your channel belongs to the most nourishing and inspiring I came across on RUclips. Profoundly grateful
I am so grateful for this summary. Studying and embracing this was quite taboo in my upbringing as a Lutheran. This was healing to witness it all come together, so beautiful as always! 💛
Good overview! I was highly resistant to Christianity until I discovered the mystical element of it in the Orthodox church, and then it suddenly all made sense to me. The Western general approach of trying to intellectualize and propositionalize belief could pierce neither my head nor my heart; but the more I learn about the Western mystics, the less I care for them.
@theguyver4934 he doesn't know it yet but he's slowly turning into an occultist; A la Eliphas Levy 👀 lmao I'm jk but his description seems to be an "enlightened" view if what he couldn't comprehend one way so he decided to get jiggy wit it
Ephesians 9 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
@@gamd666good point. These people see people in the Western Church philosophizing and building on theological ideas and fail to understand them because they obviously aren't doctors. So instead they rush to either heresy or schism for a "simpler" experience. Experience of feeling. It makes them "feel" dense, or "feel" as if they know what is going on. At this point they are no different than protestants with their hand raising and rock bands, meant to cause an emotional reaction. The Western Church is extremely understandable and yet mysterious in its own way, people just get caught up in the weeds
Check out Teresa of Avila, john of the Cross, Catherine of Siena, Bonaventure, and Teresa of Lisieux. It's heavy stuff. You encounter it best in prayer. "The way to heaven is heaven."
As a Tibetan Buddhist who was raised Catholic, I really really vibe with both Catholic and Orthodox mysticism. The light imagery that Christian contemplatives describe as "the Light of Christ" could almost be analogous to what Buddhists would call "the clear light of the mind." It's a shame that Christian mysticism didn't become more mainstream, as many Christians (at least in the US) tend to be very legalistic and moralistic nowadays.
Mainstream Christianity is currently in the process of slow self-destruction, falling into depravity and spiritual ruin as it continues to devolve into small and petty thoughts, making itself a tribalistic, materialist religion unfit for the properly universal impulse of true spiritual philosophy! Same goes to islam! This is because mysticism in these religions were developed in very late stage! The older versions of these religions considered mysticism as evil !
Opposing “legalistic and moralistic” to mysticism would be ahistorical though, since many mystics throughout history affirmed the dogmas and doctrines of faith as much, if not more, as any member of the mainstream religion.
And what exactly is wrong in it being legalistic and moralistic apart from it not being of your personal liking and tastes. Ideas also go through natural selection, just like organisms, and there would be a thousand different factors for why different modes of religiosity prevail over others at different places, different times, different societies and different contexts. One error that almost every modern educated person makes is that he is not only unaware of possibility of wildly different perspectives and he is not even open to entertain it. I am sure there will be hundreds of Buddhists who would not consider your religiosity good enough.
@@lucasmilone5902 I mean fine but regardless there are many religious institutions and denominations that treat mysticism like a pariah. Meister Eckhart was excommunicated by the Catholic Church. Mystics like Joan of Arc and Marguerite Porrette were executed. Many Salafi sects of Islam consider Sufism, regardless of its school of jurisprudence, to be heretical. The point is that a legalistic framework sometimes does not accommodate acceptance of those who might shake up a rigid and sometimes morally arbitrary power structure. When power becomes verticalized, that power can become entrenched, even if it may be contrary to the benefit of religious practitioners. You don't need to look any farther than the disaster that was the Catholic Church in the middle ages to figure that out.
This was great. Im a Lutheran Benedictine mystic. Luther was actually quite mystical. Largely due to his previous monasticism and the treatise Theologia Germanica which was quite mystical. There is also a good line of mystics in Lutheranism after Luther of note the works of Böhme, Arndt, and Gerhard. Even today there is a resurgence of Theosis in Lutheranism and a couple of Lutheran monasteries. Just some little known facts. Im actually part of a Protestant Anglican Benedictine community. God Bless you and your work.
This was what I needed November of 2017. You are a gift to this world. I plan to share with so many who need validation as I did. Thank God for the words left behind by the mystics. Their words kept me from believing I was cursed or mad. Many blessings to you always. Some day I pray we will meet. 😊
amazing video! really appreciate the brief mention of quakerism at the end - I am a practicing quaker who was drawn by aspects of the movement one might call "mystical" (e.g., emphasis on direct experience, apophaticism, opposition to dogmatism). if you ever do a video on protestant mysticism (which I would love :) ) be sure to include some of George Fox's writings!
i’m glad to see another quaker here! i was a little disappointed that quakerism only got a passing reference, but i was happy to see it regardless. i think quakerism is a fundamentally mystical religion, and some of the quotes from the catholic and orthodox mystics in this video reflect quaker theological perspectives perfectly. the ideas that quakers have about God and the Inner Light, how we like to worship, how we view our place in the world, all are so deeply rooted in mystical experiences - the direct presence of God in ourselves and each other.
There's no words that could do justice to the value of your works. Your abilities of language and thought present centuries of scholarly depth to us common seekers in an understandable and retainable format. Your work transcends belief systems. This video is a masterpiece.
The discussion of Miester Elkhart’s concept of “ground” and our relationship to it reminded me of Spinoza’s schema of substance, attributes, and modes.
I think you replied to me not long past and said a Swedenborg video was in the making for sometime in the future. That is something I am exceedingly excited about. Great video as always. This is, subjectivity the best RUclips channel going... although I'd un-objectively say it's the best objectively!
Ephesians 9 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
Hey Filip, could you possibly do a video that covers the mystical experiences themselves from various saints of different religions? This one was amazing!
This video gives me great peace. I have been struggling to reconcile my Christian beliefs with my interest in mysticism and this helped a lot. Truth is one, paths are many
So insightful, thank you for taking on the discipline of making these videos! Have you thought about doing a video on the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church?
Thank you so much for making this. I love all of your videos on Christian mysticism, and they have helped me a lot in navigating my own spiritual path. x
Absolutely brilliant!! As brilliant are all the videos I've watched from your channel so far. You don't only have an incredibily powerful mind, and an almost perfect ability to explain such complex topics in such a clear and precise way, but you also have, and show, an enormous love for what you study and share, and for the people who follow your work.
Im a Catholic Mystic and I’ve found myself in Christian Mystic circles and one of my mentors is a Jewish Mystic. Its a very weird thing to explain to people so I usually dont as to not get taken for a schizo. Great video
Dont take this the wrong way but I believe this is a heresy in the catholic church. As Christians we shouldnt let outside religions influence us. Turn to the Church Fathers instead of the rabbis
@@bmmk12 I am a Catholic who has had mystical experiences. Mysticism is experiential, Catholicism just denotes my denomination. There are many Orders of Mystics outside of the official religions as well such as martinists, I am associated with some individuals in these mystical orders but I myself have not joined them.
Love this... I found the part about women being some of the most influential vessels in the Christian Mysticism of old quite wonderful... made me think of the gospel of Mary Magdalene in the sense that she was the only one who really seemed to know who Jesus was and what he was actually saying to the apostles... its like its the reconciliation from the book of Genesis when Adam cast the blame on Eve for his downfall instead of admitting he had defied God and given up his authority... the gospel of Mary helped me to shift a very close minded view of the relationship between the masculine and feminine... I grew up in a distorted southern Baptist church that seemingly blamed women for the downfall of man, and as a man myself it had damaged my perspective of who I was to be in my adulthood... its all been healed but I do think it's a beautiful thing how both man and woman can be reconciled in such a beautiful manner using art, writing, and poetry... and I believe Martin Luther used teachings of alchemy to explain the transfiguration of the human soul by the salvation through Christ and that Jesus was the philosopher's stone... the Lutheran Religion definitely still exalts some forms of the alchemy of the soul, and I do find other religions born from the protestant reformation still have their varying forms of mysticism... In a sense the reformation occurred to allow the common man and woman to have access to this interaction with the divine because catholicism had made it a sort of hierarchal access... the reformation sort of tore the veil in the temple again so to speak... I'm rambling, wish I had more people around who were willing to go as deep as you do and discuss these things with such a level head and also with as much respect as you have for all of the belief systems you cover. God Bless.
Jesus, hear my prayers these past three years have been difficult on me I am weak. Give me guidance. Please come back soon I don’t know how much longer I can hold on. As a single parent things are hard on me both of my sons are autistic and my hours to work are limited because I’m now homeschooling them. I’m constantly struggling to provide the basic necessities for them I’m so ashamed. I suffered an heart attack and I’m battling lupus I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. I constantly struggle to pay my bills and struggle to provide groceries. BUT I KEEP FAITH. Even though I want to give up. Jesus please take the fear from my heart. Father God it is you that gives me the strength to keep going. I praise you Father even as I fear homelessness please continue to give me strength.
I am also suffering,physical pain,financial due to spinal surgery,at times depression,I understand and feel your pain, know the Creator,Great Spirit has never left you, I pray that our Father never looks away from you,never turns his face from you ,and holds you close and never lets you go, you are not forgotten you are precious, pray from your heart , be strong and have faith .🙏💖🕊️💖
Hearing your thoughts really makes me humble I know your prayers are being heard. Just keep showing your strength It's only through works Constantly making tough decisions and reaching for the impossible your peace is in sight
@@mclkr9174 He was from Irish Anglican protestant background alright, but I think one can know a genuine protestant when he/ she does not recognise the Pope as the supreme church authority ( pontífice), which was the case of C.S. Lewis .
Great video...I wrote by sharpie felt tip pen into one of my study note books every single quote as well as extra notes on ur brilliant insights in-between lol took 4 hours maybe even longer and I'm not even exaggerating but finally done..anyways thank u so much for this factual,inspirational, and illuminating content as usual...I deeply appreciate ur hard work so may Peace be with you brother and with any1 who may read this.✌🤟👍
Elder Ephraim of Arizona. Look into him and his writings. He founded 19 Orthodox monasteries in North America. He also predicted carunka. Also Father Seraphim Rose.
The tri part self: 1). Material language. (The other & sharing) 2). The internal dialogue. (The self & thinking) 3). Realm of the forms. (The social & retained cultural knowledge) A pre existing foundation of knowing must first exist. Identity is a practical journey towards learning the duality between thinking and doing.
Chrysostom " The creature could not bear the wrong done to its creator, therefore the son withdrew its rays so it might not behold the deeds of the wicked " ✝️
Your well researched teachings are concise and clear and your accompanying photos and music are beautiful. Thank you for your professional approach, intellect and dignity. Linda Doe Hollywood, California United States of America
Mysticism - direct path through self inquiry to the panicle or maybe the god head of a religious tradition without the filters, dogma or burden of interpretation. I love your work man. I’ve listened every episode. 🙏
Although, I must point out that asceticism, purification, prayer and meditation in God's mysteries and words was an essential path in the lives of christian mystics. And those requirements can hardly be separated from core rules and moral rules.
mysticism is such a profound, soul-felt experience that everyone defines it differently as their connection with the divine which they achieve through this is very personally adapted to their souls specific purpose and journey in this human experience
I came to watch a video about Christian mystics and ended up laughing at your username. Thanks, you cracked me up but simultaneously made me wonder if you are a bot, a genuine person who thought the name was funny or if you're a "fed" 😂😂 Today'sPsychological warfare has ruined me.
I am fascinated by how many of the themes and ideas expressed in these various forms of mysticism have similarities with other religious traditions. For example, searching within one's self through meditation strikes me as very similar to Buddhism. The reasoning that leads to the practice may differ but the goal of reaching some transcendent state and the practice itself seem much alike. The idea of God as one with all that exists reminds me of how the Tao is described. I'm always awestruck by how these concepts resonate across many theological outlooks.
There are countless books on that topic. A central theme is the idea that there is only one truth, and pursuing it eventually leads everyone to the same place. Whether it’s Jesus, or Buddha, Ahura Mazda, or Ba’al, they are simply the vehicle that worshipers use in their pursuit of that truth.
Wow, Filip, this is a greatly appreciated video you gave! Please make more on Christian mysticism. Especially on Louis Claude de St. Martin, Jacob Boehme, and Emmanuel Swedenborg (there's a Freemasonic rite based on his teachings and a church as well). I look forward to becoming a patron. 👍
This video was super interesting, and a lot of these beliefs reminded me of some Hindu beliefs which im learning about in my eastern religions class. I’ve been raised Christian my whole life (Quaker at first and now Catholic) and I wish I had learned about this stuff, especially those Eckhart teachings, because they’re really cool. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge, great video!
Fillip I appreciate the music at 16:24 It really serves as a verbal break of reflection (shelah) and sets mood for the depth of what’s being discussed and both the historical time and personages being mentioned Also it shows the other side of you The musical side that says beyond words
It would have been interesting if you had talked some about the sacramental basis of mysticism. Sacramentum was one of the translations of the Greek musterion, and that connection grounds the concept of mysticism in Christian practice. Interesting video, thanks.
As a Coptic Orthodox Christian and a fan of your channel I just wanted to say a massive thank you for this video. Mysticism in my faith is something I want to engage in more but Is rather deep and complicated.
I have been experiencing otherworldly paranormal phenomena entities etc even though I was a young girl who loved Jesus Christ. I am now fully saved by Lord Jesus Christ but I find that I'm having many .....too many mystical episodes it's a daily encounterering of mysticism. I used to be involved in new age etc but since being close to God and filled with the holy spirit my experiences of mystical encounters and paranormal activity had greatly increased, I have also been given gifts of the spirit including healing, seeing future prophetic events,, dreams and visions, God's voice calls my name, and a great knowing of things O shouldn't know. I don't mean to have these , I've even discovered that the holy spirit has even given me the gift of true telepathy, I see UFOs and orbs appear to come each time I pray to my father outside at night they show themselves, I believe that without holyspirit power being in me, I'd be nothing, I'd not have these mystical episodes. I know it sounds crazy but this is my life. I'm 32 and a full on believer and servant of the most high God Adonai. I don't ask for this it's just what God has given me at this present time.
Okay is it Jesus or Adonai? Aliens seem to be connected to all these religions. Interesting that they pop up and you get special abilities when getting into a religion.
I don’t want to be rude, but that is a clear symptom of a psychotic disorder. I don’t want to minimize your experience, but I’ve known too many people who have been deceived by similar thoughts. Talking to a professional may help you.If anything it will give you a different mode from which to experience and interact with God. Don’t be fooled by the ego or The deceiver. Sending LOVE your way
I entered into Christian mysticism when I entered the Order of Carmelite Discalced. Our spirituality is based on St. Teresa of Jesus and St. John of the Cross. 4 years after entering the monastery, I entered into Infused contemplation, hence mystical prayer, after a 4 days experiencing direct contact with God. Today, I draw from mysticism of other religion and cultures, drawing from them to further my path to Union with God, enlightenment, or to that Oneness.
This is such a great video and explanation on Christina mysticism. I am Eastern European and born into Orthodox Christianity. This video gave me so many answers to the way my family perceive and practise religion and my mother saying that one doesn’t need to understand God but Love him. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I'm a narrative designer. I study story and scripture is interesting because it's clearly written for an old age. It's no wonder so many people walk away with out outdated the writing is. Not in terms of speech but in how the characters are never portrayed to be relatable, in an age when that truly matters. So I'm new to the mysticism side and am excited to hear how this brings things to a more modern sense.
Lol. So, burning Man is our modern mystical culture... I have read a lot recently about how brand new agrarian societies had an ergot problem. They made everything with flour. Bread, beer, even the yeast in wine... communion was a thing before Christianity, as a culture practiced by Jewish mystics. Eating special bread, and drinking special wine or beer. To have mystical journeys. They called it mystical, we call it, today, hallucinating...😊
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems There are questions about psychedelic pharmaceuticals. Perhaps they don't allow us to see things beyond, but even if they only allow us to see things inside, that is just as valuable.
The Bible literally contains the entirety of the Monomyth several times over. It likely contains some of the earliest incarnations of the Monomyth that have been transcribed from oral traditions passed down through the ages. Granted, it contains a lot of legal texts, boring genealogies and histories, and corrective advising, but it also contains several epics and has an interwoven meta-narrative that is incredibly subtle that revolves around Christ. The first time I read it cover-to-cover, when I got to the Gospels I was floored when I realized that everything, from Adam and Eve onward, was a massive foreshadowing and allusion to what was to come. Even Abraham and Isaac and God staying Abraham’s hand when God gave His own son was an incredible meta-narrative plot. I don’t see how you could find it unrelatable. Could you elaborate?
@@padenvan The honest question that is still being debated is this: Was that meta narrative layer actually engineered? Or, in other words, written in a manner that would signify the authors understood what the outcome of their written ideas would mean to audiences... Or, was it more akin to a reporter observing and giving news wire updates of history? The answer to this one question, would change the perspective of your point dramatically. Either the Bible is a mirror-for-princes type of literature, and therefore engineered and able to be interpreted from your point of view. Or it is not. And then you must beg the question... What type of linguistic and literary traditions could have led to the compilation of these cultural histories in this fashion, without understanding that was what you were doing... the latter is how I interpret the past. It was more a fumbling in the dark, than an understood thing to be chosen between.
@@padenvan I don't disagree with your point, on the contrary. I just think the context for perspective matters. The authors and audiences then had different understandings and phenomenological definitions...
As a Pentecostal this is how I would describe my deepest and closest moments with God spiritually . I never realized how easily context can mislead people.
Real Christian mysticism is just Orthodox Christianity. Purification of the heart. Hesychasm. Noetic prayer. Synergeia. Theoria (The uncreated light). Theosis. It's all there. It is the life every Orthodox Christian ought to pursue, it is the spiritual struggle, the unseen warfare whose battleground is the human heart, it is the "strait gate" and "narrow path" which leads to eternal Life which is Christ.
I don’t yet understand this topic much at all, but I can already tell I’m going to listen to this video again to try to understand better. This is very pleasant to listen to and has already provided several moments of insight and inspiration to me. Thank you for your efforts to teach on these topics!
It’s interesting perhaps to note that Eckhart’s denial of the importance of “experience” mirrors my Sufi teacher’s similar denial. Every time I’ve brought him some experience, he’s been like, “Okay. Don’t worry about it. And try to forget about it.” When pressed, he’s said, “Those experiences are far from the point.” And even, “Such experiences are just mental and emotional diarrhea you’ve got to get through.” 🤷♀️
Disclaimer: I'm not a Sufi teacher. In my experience with Buddhist mysticism... it kinda depends on the experience. If it's a story, or images, of attractions and aversions, stuff having to do with your personality, such as goals, fears and so on, gods and demons ... then that teacher is correct, according to Buddhist mysticism, at least - the details of that sort of experience aren't important, and can be distracting if you latch onto them as something valuable. We're supposed to observe those thoughts, as they arise and then pass, rather than to let them snowball until we get lost in them. That's a Buddhist perspective, but it seems like Sufis have the same process of not getting caught up in those types of experiences. The more mystical Buddhists say don't even hold onto experiences of pure awareness... because those will collapse if you try too hard to hold onto them, when you try to grasp more. It's a paradox, a catch-22. It's interesting that Sufis aren't so different.
Wow, Buddhist dzogchen, as I know it, there's even a similar idea to Eckhart's "ground" - called "alaya" in dzogchen tradition. There isn't as much personification as with the Christian God, though.
@@GizzyDillespee It’s pretty similar. I’ve studied with some Buddhist teachers, as well (within Zen and Dzogchen lineages), and have received very similar instructions as with my root teacher in Sufism. Even as far as letting go of any experiences of unity or oneness or emptiness-just let them pass. And I wouldn’t worry about the word ‘God’ too much. An intensely “orthodox,” fiqh-oriented Sufi teacher once told me that, “The Sufi understanding of ‘God’ is closer to the Buddhists’ adibuddha, Eckhart’s Nothingness, and the views of most atheists than it is to common reified, and often anthropomorphic, concepts of God.” With “personification” only coming in as an apophatic negation of the impersonal, to keep one from drifting into the extreme of what Buddhists would call annihilationism.
Perhaps Eckhart was keen to keep his head fixed to his body or not to be fried in a fire. Avoiding talking about inner experiences in 14th century Germany was a safer path than either sharing them or validating them …he could also have lacked eidetic skills or facility - whilst agreeing ‘experiences’ are not THE goal they are frequently unavoidable…nowadays accusations of magic or heresy etc are uncommon in western culture
He consumes me beyond all nature of fire; even the thought of a memory of myself is now unknowable to me. This is because of how I know and love-and love and know-him. Am I talking about God, or about Kevin? Yes.
When you look into the mystical traditions of religions, you find shockingly similar experiences (which indicates there's clearly truth in it). though, that does mean the differences become even more important.
@@drooskie9525 The mysticism in Abrahamic religions are later developments, mysticism was seen as pagan tradition in Both religions and was not supported at all! These mystic philosophers cherry pick verses from their books and interpret it in a mystical fashion! A true mystical religion won't divide others in the name of non-believers!
Though I personally have more interest in the Benedictine/Cistercian and Christian Neoplatonic traditions, I think in general a more valuable follow-up episode would be on the Carmelite mystics. Their mysticism was the most prominent in Catholicism from the 16th century to at least the 1970s and perhaps still today, but this episode barely mentioned them.
''Love never fails, Not even in Death."-St. Gregory of Nyssa
Yeah go give a kid hormones mystic *ag
Haqq
@@richardsteiner45whaaaat?
I’ve always been drawn to the mystery of God. Hmmm…lots to take from this. I especially understand the part that talked about not being able to separate theology from mysticism. That’s what makes it hard and lonely place as a Christian to also be a mystic. We aren’t to discuss theology because it only causes division among believers. So the knowledge we find is really only for us and not to be shared with the body of Christ. Especially when observing other religious beliefs in our connection to God.
@@richardsteiner45Hey mate, I know it's been 7 months, but are you doing okay?
I love how you don't take any religion for granted, you take them all at their heart and soul, and show how beautiful they all are. Wonderful content.
From a mystic perspective, all religions are fundamentally teaching the same thing.
@@da4dimSomewhat. I can’t remember who it was but there’s a quote that goes “All mystics speak the same language.” or something to that effect. Although, I do believe that what separates this sometimes is that mystics, particularly Christian mystics, will resolve their mysticism to rest in Christ alone in a strictly teleological manner.
@@da4dim Different paths
@@da4dim Not really. Christianity teaches something very different and unique.
Religion SUCKS!!!
I wasn’t raised a Christian at all but Catholic mysticism with its divine morality teaching is what drew me to Christianity in the first place.
Have you looked into Orthodox Christianity? Predates Roman Catholicism
can u explain it more. does it mean that something big while happen after we die? or that when we die we are at our "highest" most divine moment
@@uniform.001 It means to seek God while you are alive. Luke 11:5-13 NLT
@@FaithfulComforterDoing all of that searching whenever god is within us the whole time
@@Jaylamah529 incorrect
Thank you for this, I appreciate the video as an Orthodox Christian - I have long been interested in the mysticism in my faith but it’s hard to tackle as you’ve said.
@s-order-nomada quote from "Oh Brother, Were Art Thou" - "That don't make no sense." There's nothing mystical about destroying your country because it's too diverse for you. American conservatism belongs to our ex president anti-christ.
The only true religion..I kid, but still
If you were actually interested you wouldn't be a "gods-believer".
@@louseveryann2181 as you get closer to living like Iisus Hristos, ofcourse your made in the image of God is gonna show. We are kings of this world, this is our garden that God made for us, and we have power over it.
@@iulia1690
Wow......
Next time tie the bedsheets together, fangirl.
Thankyou for this video!
I'm a Christian who came to faith via buddhist mysticism and having a profound mystical experience of God in the emptiness that I experienced through buddhist emptying of ego.
I have often found it hard to contextualise this experience as a Christian, especailly as a attend a Protestant church. This video has really helped me integrate the mystical experience into my Christian identity in a way that was previously a little jarring.
The descriptions by these mystics sound very similar to the buddhist ideas i was reading but with God at the centre.
I really appreciate the deep research and deep understanding of the topic you have put into this video
Ive had the exact same experience and journey as you describe.
Consider finding converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy if you want more acceptance of mysticism and possibly more answers.
Interestingly you're the second person I've heard say they came from Buddhism and found Christianity. I'm not subscribed to any religion but I did the opposite coming from a southern Christian background and exploring Buddhism. For me its been a wonderful breath of fresh air. I have a feeling this is something meaningful. I think both religions have a lot to offer each other.
I had a similar experience, and yes it is hard to articulate. God bless
If you came from Buddhism I think you might feel more at home in an Eastern Orthodox church. Although it's for God to decide where He wants you to be, it might be worth looking into deeper if you haven't already.
Thanks a lot for this. As a Catholic I am happy to learn more about mysticism from your work.
There's a book called prayer of the heart that talks about Christian mysticism through prayer that goes through a lot of the teachings of St Teresa on the subject of ecstatic prayer
You should look into Catherine of Siena. She starved herself into hallucinations and believed she had an invisible wedding ring that was made of Jesus’s foreskin
There is also a book called the Bible that you should really check out. I'm just kidding around saying it like. I'm sure you know about the Bible but I just found it concerning that the host of the video is quoting ppl all over the place but doesn't quote the Bible. He even quotes someone and then says the person was considered a heretic. I just think calling one's self a "mystic Christian" is dangerous ground. Now of course in the US you can be whatever religion you want up to and including making up your own religion and I'm not trying to be the typical judgy Christian I'm just saying if you want to be a Christian then the most important part of that is to know Jesus and know that He said He is the way the truth and the life and no man goes to the Father but through Him. I can be wrong of course and I'm always learning but from what I understand by reading God's word is you can either be a Christian or be a mystic but based on the Bible I don't think you can do both even under the very broad definition of Mysticism that the host of the video uses. For the record I do believe in the gifts of the Spirit but those gifts are from God to use for His glory not ours and the Bible is quite clear that we are not to practice magic, divination, necromancy ect. I pray you will at least think about this.
@@hermeticasceticis it by George Maloney? Trying to find it, that’s the only one I found but it says it focuses on the Eastern Orthodox tradition
@gracew4194, He mentioned the Bible a number of times, including the Old Testament, Luke and Paul's road to Damascus experience.
I hear people talk about not doing magic but then talk about the gifts of the spirit, healings, and other miracles prayed for, which look a lot like magic to me. It's the theology that differs. If you believe in the all-knowing planned world, then praying sounds a lot like you want special dispensation to break God's plan. Not to mention the wise men who used the stars to find Jesus.
If you read Mathew, Mark, and Luke, you get a very different picture of Jesus's teachings than John and Paul. Paul hardly talks about Jesus's biography like the 4 gospels. He's more interested in passing on his mystical messages from the passed on Jesus (which is the very definition of necromancy, that is talking to the dead sorry you probably think that's blasphemy).
The first three focus on upholding Jewish laws and getting to God through that law, your actions, as good works. Jesus doesn't mention being God tho does say he's the son of man.
John gets very mystical and out there and with Paul focuses on simply believing in Jesus being enough to get forgiveness regardless of your good or bad works.
It seems to me Revelation is very mystical and symbolic though full of failed prophecies, since they were supposed to happen before Paul, the disciples and their followers died as Paul said not to bother marrying since the end was nigh. Revelation also uses a lot of stars and magical imagery and symbols.
Master Eckhart isn't bashing mystical experience, rather he's saying it's not the be all and end all. The visions are useful as they are motivation God is sending us that we are on the right path. But the visions themselves are not the goal, the goal is union with the divine.
These mystical experiencies imo are the bedrock of faith. And it's faith that we use to attain union with God.
Good point. Thank you.
Absolutely. He echos the teachings of all the church fathers in that respect
🙏🏽
What is God?
@@menifo4334 God to me is the Absolute, perfect, self-sufficient eternal reality that depends upon nothing external to itself.
As a Protestant Christian, A.W. Tozer was essential for my discovery of Christian Mysticism. I needed to learn about it because I began experiencing visions and miracles, but because I am Protestant, we try to out-rationalize the mystical qualities of Christianity. Thank you for this video. Even though I am not planning on converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy, I have so much respect and gratitude towards my Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters.
Also protestant and these question arent coming from a place of judgment but curiosity. What kind of visions have you been having? Were they super overt? How did you know they were coming from God? I feel like ive experienced something similar but i find myself over-rationalizing.
"The Cloud of Unknowing" is a great mystic book for example .
Also a banger of a song
@@camillaquelladegliaggettiv4303
Of ruine or some blazing starre is just perfect through and through
23 years ago, 'The Cloud of Unknowing and other works' became the catalyst that confirmed my technique and experiences and sealed the deal, so to speak! Highly recommended. Also 'The Mystic in Love' holds some useful reminders of the frequency & resonance in prose & poetry.
I'm currently reading prayer of the heart in Christian and sufi mysticism.
It's good but it's taking me a while to get through because it's got a lot to chew on. Gotta take it in small chunks and let it marinate
Doctrine and Covenants is better.
Superb and noble work.
What makes your content stand out amongst many other channels with high intellectual and scholarly brilliance, is the glow that your heart lends to your work. It is obvious that all these deep and mystical topics moves you way beyond academic curiosity and the Nous seeps through in very nourishiing ways for us on the other end of the screen.
Wish you the very best for your continual path.
Very kind words!
I feel the same way:) @@LetsTalkReligion
Agreed!
Well said.
Experience. Unite. Become. I agree. I have experienced all of that. I finally realized that I am a mystic. It was not explained nto me as a child and I had no religious upbringing. However, I have experienced the Union with God as an intense Love and Peace and as a Union with the light. There is no human love that can be compared with such divine Love. It is absolutely amazing but also, I recognized that this is where I came from. My soul recognized HOME... Twice. I experienced it twice. Both times I was meditating in silence. The fist time in 2004 it was the Union with the Light, LOVE and PEACE... The second time in 2010, it was the Passionate Longing that was beyond my understanding as it was so passionate and made me cry for hours and hours as the Love was beyond any limit. 24:00. I never heard of this until now! Thank you for this video💗. You are explaining what I experienced. What an incredible video!!!
I must thank Filip for his scholarly investigation into christian mysticism. As a catholic myself, it's heartening to note that his faith is moving in the right direction.
New Testament's original christian references to mysticism are found in John 4:24, 6:53-54, 10:30, Matthew 5:48, 6:22, 16:18-19, among many more. And the book of Revelation is a compilation of mystical experiences of the 'beloved' mystic disciple & apostle, John.
It is evident that Christ himself a mystic, taught spiritual (esoteric) mysticism to his direct disciples. With the passing of time, Successors of Christ's sacred teachings could not find suitable disciples to transmit the sacred esoteric teachings and so were 'lost' to the christian world and replaced by Church Christianity. Gradually, except for a few, interest in the sacred esoteric teachings the christian mystics practiced waned, and therefore remained hidden from catholics generally.
However, God never ignores sincere truth-seekers (Luke 11:9) the opportunity to learn the secret esoteric knowledge, kept hidden from unprepared minds, in every Age.
The Bhagavad Gita IV:7-8, declares that in every Age God incarnates in human form to restore the lost teachings that unite the soul with God-the underlying essence of every true religion.
For those who are interested in understanding and learning everything about mysticism, it is necessary to learn the sacred esoteric teachings in its purity from a master mystic, an incarnation of God. Paramahansa Yogananda, in his "Autobiography of A Yogi," discloses the original esoteric teachings-the keys (Matthew 16:19)-that all great prophets and mystics in every religion used to unlock the "gates of heaven" and pass on to their 'prepared' disciples awaiting liberation from the three-fold sufferings: physical disease, mental inharmony, and spiritual ignorance.
There are two ways to practice religion: 1. By the snail's-pace, natural evolutionary process of gradual unfoldment of Truth (Self-realization), or 2. By choosing the super-fast spiritual highway-the keys-to reach one's life's objective-Self-realization-in the shortest time.
I sincerely hope Filip's wonderful exposition of this enlightening subject will prompt truth-seeking catholics to transcend the limiting dogmatic religious boundaries and learn the "true religion" of God-realization that Christ taught. This can be one of the ways to save Christ's Church from becoming irrelevant or going astray in the present Age.
🙏
I have a question as someone who sees himself as a sincere truth-seeker. I’ve been estranged from the church for about a decade, but want to go to one that would be… at least tolerant of Christian Mysticism and the content of all encompassing love found in mystical states. Do you have any ideas? Or is all institutional religion too far from mysticism?
As a fellow Catholic, rather than going outright to the yogis of the orient for teachings of esoteric truths, I would recommend to you the book Meditation on the Tarot A journey into Christian Hermeticism, Letters to Unknown Friends, specifically written by an Anonymous author, a devout Catholic himself and a lifelong hermeticist who very specifically seeks to return knowledge of the Christian Esoteric tradition which is still alive and had been kept alive in places, notably France itself. It has the approval of none other than Hans Urs Von Balthasar which has been heartening for many a hesitant reader.
MrCman, the writings mentioned in the video are portals into Catholic mysticism.
Ephesians 9
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
I mean no disrespect but I recommend you to buy the catechism and consider to start practicing this "dogma of religious practices". God-realization is great and all, but they should all be aligned with teachings that have been forged for 2 thousand years. Where is the mana? The sacraments instituted by Christ to his apostles, and how do you live the beatitudes? These are spiritual realities that lead you towards one path, the Father.
Man this channel is amazing.
What a treat, Filip! Thanks a lot. Very much aware of the amount of work you did for this. Your channel belongs to the most nourishing and inspiring I came across on RUclips. Profoundly grateful
Can't wait. Love these videos. Please make one specifically on the Philokalia please!
Your taste in medieval art is top notch
I am so grateful for this summary. Studying and embracing this was quite taboo in my upbringing as a Lutheran. This was healing to witness it all come together, so beautiful as always! 💛
William Blake deserves an honourable mention. If not a video all to himself
Good overview! I was highly resistant to Christianity until I discovered the mystical element of it in the Orthodox church, and then it suddenly all made sense to me. The Western general approach of trying to intellectualize and propositionalize belief could pierce neither my head nor my heart; but the more I learn about the Western mystics, the less I care for them.
What are trying to say ?
@theguyver4934 he doesn't know it yet but he's slowly turning into an occultist; A la Eliphas Levy 👀 lmao I'm jk but his description seems to be an "enlightened" view if what he couldn't comprehend one way so he decided to get jiggy wit it
Ephesians 9
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
@@gamd666good point. These people see people in the Western Church philosophizing and building on theological ideas and fail to understand them because they obviously aren't doctors. So instead they rush to either heresy or schism for a "simpler" experience. Experience of feeling. It makes them "feel" dense, or "feel" as if they know what is going on. At this point they are no different than protestants with their hand raising and rock bands, meant to cause an emotional reaction. The Western Church is extremely understandable and yet mysterious in its own way, people just get caught up in the weeds
@@theguyver4934 Post-Schism Western mystics were spiritually deluded and sought/experienced pleasurable feelings and believed these to be of God.
I quite literally was just thinking the last few days that I wanted to look more into Christian mysticism and then you drop this video!🎉
Check out Teresa of Avila, john of the Cross, Catherine of Siena, Bonaventure, and Teresa of Lisieux. It's heavy stuff. You encounter it best in prayer. "The way to heaven is heaven."
Look into Father Serraphim Rose
@@ejh5628everyone tou mentioned is lost in prelest and captured by demons
@@Brody-AleksanderYes
As a Tibetan Buddhist who was raised Catholic, I really really vibe with both Catholic and Orthodox mysticism. The light imagery that Christian contemplatives describe as "the Light of Christ" could almost be analogous to what Buddhists would call "the clear light of the mind." It's a shame that Christian mysticism didn't become more mainstream, as many Christians (at least in the US) tend to be very legalistic and moralistic nowadays.
Mainstream Christianity is currently in the process of slow self-destruction, falling into depravity and spiritual ruin as it continues to devolve into small and petty thoughts, making itself a tribalistic, materialist religion unfit for the properly universal impulse of true spiritual philosophy! Same goes to islam! This is because mysticism in these religions were developed in very late stage! The older versions of these religions considered mysticism as evil !
Opposing “legalistic and moralistic” to mysticism would be ahistorical though, since many mystics throughout history affirmed the dogmas and doctrines of faith as much, if not more, as any member of the mainstream religion.
And what exactly is wrong in it being legalistic and moralistic apart from it not being of your personal liking and tastes.
Ideas also go through natural selection, just like organisms, and there would be a thousand different factors for why different modes of religiosity prevail over others at different places, different times, different societies and different contexts.
One error that almost every modern educated person makes is that he is not only unaware of possibility of wildly different perspectives and he is not even open to entertain it.
I am sure there will be hundreds of Buddhists who would not consider your religiosity good enough.
@@saimbhat6243 You must be fun at parties
@@lucasmilone5902 I mean fine but regardless there are many religious institutions and denominations that treat mysticism like a pariah. Meister Eckhart was excommunicated by the Catholic Church. Mystics like Joan of Arc and Marguerite Porrette were executed. Many Salafi sects of Islam consider Sufism, regardless of its school of jurisprudence, to be heretical.
The point is that a legalistic framework sometimes does not accommodate acceptance of those who might shake up a rigid and sometimes morally arbitrary power structure. When power becomes verticalized, that power can become entrenched, even if it may be contrary to the benefit of religious practitioners. You don't need to look any farther than the disaster that was the Catholic Church in the middle ages to figure that out.
This was great. Im a Lutheran Benedictine mystic. Luther was actually quite mystical. Largely due to his previous monasticism and the treatise Theologia Germanica which was quite mystical. There is also a good line of mystics in Lutheranism after Luther of note the works of Böhme, Arndt, and Gerhard. Even today there is a resurgence of Theosis in Lutheranism and a couple of Lutheran monasteries. Just some little known facts. Im actually part of a Protestant Anglican Benedictine community. God Bless you and your work.
Yes, there are Anglican monastic / religious orders too.
Love these -- especially being Orthodox myself.
This was what I needed November of 2017. You are a gift to this world. I plan to share with so many who need validation as I did. Thank God for the words left behind by the mystics. Their words kept me from believing I was cursed or mad. Many blessings to you always. Some day I pray we will meet. 😊
amazing video! really appreciate the brief mention of quakerism at the end - I am a practicing quaker who was drawn by aspects of the movement one might call "mystical" (e.g., emphasis on direct experience, apophaticism, opposition to dogmatism). if you ever do a video on protestant mysticism (which I would love :) ) be sure to include some of George Fox's writings!
i’m glad to see another quaker here! i was a little disappointed that quakerism only got a passing reference, but i was happy to see it regardless.
i think quakerism is a fundamentally mystical religion, and some of the quotes from the catholic and orthodox mystics in this video reflect quaker theological perspectives perfectly. the ideas that quakers have about God and the Inner Light, how we like to worship, how we view our place in the world, all are so deeply rooted in mystical experiences - the direct presence of God in ourselves and each other.
There's no words that could do justice to the value of your works. Your abilities of language and thought present centuries of scholarly depth to us common seekers in an understandable and retainable format. Your work transcends belief systems. This video is a masterpiece.
The discussion of Miester Elkhart’s concept of “ground” and our relationship to it reminded me of Spinoza’s schema of substance, attributes, and modes.
I think you replied to me not long past and said a Swedenborg video was in the making for sometime in the future. That is something I am exceedingly excited about.
Great video as always. This is, subjectivity the best RUclips channel going... although I'd un-objectively say it's the best objectively!
Thank you very much!
And yes, I'm still (slowly) working on that video!
My favorite video of yours so far. Thank you for this! I especially loved your treatment of Hildegard and Julian.
Ephesians 9
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Research The Shrud Of Turin proof of The Living and resurrected Christ, Let those who have eyes to see and ears to hear discern the eternal truth of Christ!!! Give no room to false doctrines of devils and satanic belief systems DO NOT BE FOOLED by WARLOCKS AND WITCHES !!!! Praise The Living Christ pray to download the Holy Spirit of YAHWEH, to accept and cleansed by the blood and covering of Christ, and to become one with The Heavenly Father : YAHWEH EL ELYON ELOHIM EL SHADDAI with Holy Ghost Baptism, seek deliverance renounce the kingdom of Satan and repent from all known and generational sin!!!! In the name of YESHUA HAMASHIACH ADONAI , THE HOLY ETERNAL CHRIST (The Anointed One)!!!
Hey Filip, could you possibly do a video that covers the mystical experiences themselves from various saints of different religions? This one was amazing!
I want to commend you for your clarity, balance, reverance and understanding.
This video gives me great peace. I have been struggling to reconcile my Christian beliefs with my interest in mysticism and this helped a lot. Truth is one, paths are many
No. Truth is one. Path is one. This channels ethics are Satanic.
I’m a Christian mystic and the best advice I can give you is to be lead by the Spirit. When you are, the beliefs follow Him and not “them.” 😃
May I recommend going to an Orthodox Church and let the priest guide you into reading these mystics
Reverse that last sentence. The paths are many but truth is one. Christ is that one truth
Embrace the Orthodox faith ☦️
I recommend this topic in a poll recently 👍🏼 Thank you for making me feel included.
I would like to see an episode on John of the Cross and another on Teresa of Avila, please.
Theosis is the heart of Christianity
Alaha is the heart of Christianity
So insightful, thank you for taking on the discipline of making these videos!
Have you thought about doing a video on the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church?
Love this! Thank you so much for taking the time to make this for the world 💌
such great content; how about a show on the Baha'i Faith? The new world religion centered on Unity and how to achieve it in the modern world.
Thank you so much for making this. I love all of your videos on Christian mysticism, and they have helped me a lot in navigating my own spiritual path. x
Absolutely brilliant!! As brilliant are all the videos I've watched from your channel so far. You don't only have an incredibily powerful mind, and an almost perfect ability to explain such complex topics in such a clear and precise way, but you also have, and show, an enormous love for what you study and share, and for the people who follow your work.
I am going to be keen to here this
Orthodox mysticism is 2,000 years old and is something you need to experience firsthand to truly understand ☦️
Looking forward to this
I would like to hear more about the Cappadocians, especially Gregory of Nyssa. And Macrina.
Jay Dyer and David Erhan have covered many of their works and teachings.
Great episode! So happy to learn of people I was not aware of!
Thank you for covering this 🧡 I have a huge affinity for the great poets of the Beloved, and your channel is on point ☺️
Im a Catholic Mystic and I’ve found myself in Christian Mystic circles and one of my mentors is a Jewish Mystic. Its a very weird thing to explain to people so I usually dont as to not get taken for a schizo. Great video
Dont take this the wrong way but I believe this is a heresy in the catholic church. As Christians we shouldnt let outside religions influence us. Turn to the Church Fathers instead of the rabbis
Schizo and mystic is a fine line
The problem with spiritual experience is that without proper understanding it can veer into delusion
What does it mean to label yourself a Catholic mystic? Like, specifics, what do you do that you outright label yourself that ? Curious
@@bmmk12 I am a Catholic who has had mystical experiences. Mysticism is experiential, Catholicism just denotes my denomination.
There are many Orders of Mystics outside of the official religions as well such as martinists, I am associated with some individuals in these mystical orders but I myself have not joined them.
It's always a pleasure and a blessing to find extremely worthwhile content like this on RUclips
Love this... I found the part about women being some of the most influential vessels in the Christian Mysticism of old quite wonderful... made me think of the gospel of Mary Magdalene in the sense that she was the only one who really seemed to know who Jesus was and what he was actually saying to the apostles... its like its the reconciliation from the book of Genesis when Adam cast the blame on Eve for his downfall instead of admitting he had defied God and given up his authority... the gospel of Mary helped me to shift a very close minded view of the relationship between the masculine and feminine... I grew up in a distorted southern Baptist church that seemingly blamed women for the downfall of man, and as a man myself it had damaged my perspective of who I was to be in my adulthood... its all been healed but I do think it's a beautiful thing how both man and woman can be reconciled in such a beautiful manner using art, writing, and poetry... and I believe Martin Luther used teachings of alchemy to explain the transfiguration of the human soul by the salvation through Christ and that Jesus was the philosopher's stone... the Lutheran Religion definitely still exalts some forms of the alchemy of the soul, and I do find other religions born from the protestant reformation still have their varying forms of mysticism... In a sense the reformation occurred to allow the common man and woman to have access to this interaction with the divine because catholicism had made it a sort of hierarchal access... the reformation sort of tore the veil in the temple again so to speak... I'm rambling, wish I had more people around who were willing to go as deep as you do and discuss these things with such a level head and also with as much respect as you have for all of the belief systems you cover. God Bless.
You know your subject, that's obvious. And I take your mystic cocktail with a such immense pleasure. Thank you !
Jesus, hear my prayers these past three years have been difficult on me I am weak. Give me guidance. Please come back soon I don’t know how much longer I can hold on. As a single parent things are hard on me both of my sons are autistic and my hours to work are limited because I’m now homeschooling them. I’m constantly struggling to provide the basic necessities for them I’m so ashamed. I suffered an heart attack and I’m battling lupus I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. I constantly struggle to pay my bills and struggle to provide groceries. BUT I KEEP FAITH. Even though I want to give up. Jesus please take the fear from my heart. Father God it is you that gives me the strength to keep going. I praise you Father even as I fear homelessness please continue to give me strength.
go to church someone there might be able to help you, if your preacher is corrupt go to another
I am also suffering,physical pain,financial due to spinal surgery,at times depression,I understand and feel your pain, know the Creator,Great Spirit has never left you, I pray that our Father never looks away from you,never turns his face from you ,and holds you close and never lets you go, you are not forgotten you are precious, pray from your heart , be strong and have faith .🙏💖🕊️💖
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🙋stay in faith and you too will overcome.
You qualify for 400$ in food stamps and $1600 cash . You have to apply at a TAD office. Hope this helps
Hearing your thoughts really makes me humble
I know your prayers are being heard. Just keep showing your strength
It's only through works
Constantly making tough decisions and reaching for the impossible your peace is in sight
C. S Lewis may be considered as one of the modern Protestant Mystics whom must be worth mentioning .
He was catholic but true
Lewis was Anglican lol
@@mariecait he was an anglo catholic in the Anglican communion
@@mclkr9174 He was from Irish Anglican protestant background alright, but I think one can know a genuine protestant when he/ she does not recognise the Pope as the supreme church authority ( pontífice), which was the case of C.S. Lewis .
Anglicanism is just Catholicism with divorce
Great video...I wrote by sharpie felt tip pen into one of my study note books every single quote as well as extra notes on ur brilliant insights in-between lol took 4 hours maybe even longer and I'm not even exaggerating but finally done..anyways thank u so much for this factual,inspirational, and illuminating content as usual...I deeply appreciate ur hard work so may Peace be with you brother and with any1 who may read this.✌🤟👍
Father Serraphim Rose
Elder Ephraim of Arizona. Look into him and his writings. He founded 19 Orthodox monasteries in North America. He also predicted carunka. Also Father Seraphim Rose.
@@ElonMuskrat-my8jy this
The tri part self:
1). Material language. (The other & sharing)
2). The internal dialogue. (The self & thinking)
3). Realm of the forms. (The social & retained cultural knowledge)
A pre existing foundation of knowing must first exist. Identity is a practical journey towards learning the duality between thinking and doing.
Chrysostom
" The creature could not bear the wrong done to its creator, therefore the son withdrew its rays so it might not behold the deeds of the wicked " ✝️
Happy St. Nick's day! Thank you for your work🙏
Should be fascinating!
Your well researched teachings are concise and clear and your accompanying photos and music are beautiful.
Thank you for your professional approach, intellect and dignity.
Linda Doe
Hollywood, California
United States of America
Mysticism - direct path through self inquiry to the panicle or maybe the god head of a religious tradition without the filters, dogma or burden of interpretation.
I love your work man. I’ve listened every episode. 🙏
Mysticism makes religious stories irrelevant! And i don't think Christians and Muslims are ready for that!
Although, I must point out that asceticism, purification, prayer and meditation in God's mysteries and words was an essential path in the lives of christian mystics. And those requirements can hardly be separated from core rules and moral rules.
Amazing work Filip. Thank you!
Thank you for putting this together.
mysticism is such a profound, soul-felt experience that everyone defines it differently as their connection with the divine which they achieve through this is very personally adapted to their souls specific purpose and journey in this human experience
Excellent content as ever
THIS IS MY FAVOURITE CHANNEL
I came to watch a video about Christian mystics and ended up laughing at your username. Thanks, you cracked me up but simultaneously made me wonder if you are a bot, a genuine person who thought the name was funny or if you're a "fed" 😂😂
Today'sPsychological warfare has ruined me.
@@Tom-sd9jb 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes
Beautifully done. Thanks for this.
Can you make a video about Pagan Monasticism?
I am fascinated by how many of the themes and ideas expressed in these various forms of mysticism have similarities with other religious traditions. For example, searching within one's self through meditation strikes me as very similar to Buddhism. The reasoning that leads to the practice may differ but the goal of reaching some transcendent state and the practice itself seem much alike. The idea of God as one with all that exists reminds me of how the Tao is described. I'm always awestruck by how these concepts resonate across many theological outlooks.
You’re so right, I think Buddhism teaches us how to operate like we are god.
There are countless books on that topic. A central theme is the idea that there is only one truth, and pursuing it eventually leads everyone to the same place. Whether it’s Jesus, or Buddha, Ahura Mazda, or Ba’al, they are simply the vehicle that worshipers use in their pursuit of that truth.
Tusen takk for en av de beste videoene du har laget. Hilsen en som går den Katolske mystiske veien✝
Just finishing a first listening.....this is so, so good! Thank you~~glad to have found you, and look forward to a more attentive listening
fantastic video, thank you so much
Wow, Filip, this is a greatly appreciated video you gave! Please make more on Christian mysticism. Especially on Louis Claude de St. Martin, Jacob Boehme, and Emmanuel Swedenborg (there's a Freemasonic rite based on his teachings and a church as well). I look forward to becoming a patron. 👍
This video was super interesting, and a lot of these beliefs reminded me of some Hindu beliefs which im learning about in my eastern religions class. I’ve been raised Christian my whole life (Quaker at first and now Catholic) and I wish I had learned about this stuff, especially those Eckhart teachings, because they’re really cool. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge, great video!
Reflecting on this a year on i must say that this is a really great presebtation of christian mysticism . Thank you ✌️.
Scholasticism is deeply mystical…
I'm very much looking forward to this
That video was utterly wonderful!,
Thank you! Love your videos, would love more on the Desert Fathers as a possible future video. Just a suggestion. Always appreciate your videos1
Fillip I appreciate the music at 16:24
It really serves as a verbal break of reflection (shelah) and sets mood for the depth of what’s being discussed and both the historical time and personages being mentioned
Also it shows the other side of you
The musical side that says beyond words
It would have been interesting if you had talked some about the sacramental basis of mysticism. Sacramentum was one of the translations of the Greek musterion, and that connection grounds the concept of mysticism in Christian practice. Interesting video, thanks.
As a Coptic Orthodox Christian and a fan of your channel I just wanted to say a massive thank you for this video. Mysticism in my faith is something I want to engage in more but Is rather deep and complicated.
I have been experiencing otherworldly paranormal phenomena entities etc even though I was a young girl who loved Jesus Christ. I am now fully saved by Lord Jesus Christ but I find that I'm having many .....too many mystical episodes it's a daily encounterering of mysticism. I used to be involved in new age etc but since being close to God and filled with the holy spirit my experiences of mystical encounters and paranormal activity had greatly increased, I have also been given gifts of the spirit including healing, seeing future prophetic events,, dreams and visions, God's voice calls my name, and a great knowing of things O shouldn't know. I don't mean to have these , I've even discovered that the holy spirit has even given me the gift of true telepathy, I see UFOs and orbs appear to come each time I pray to my father outside at night they show themselves, I believe that without holyspirit power being in me, I'd be nothing, I'd not have these mystical episodes. I know it sounds crazy but this is my life. I'm 32 and a full on believer and servant of the most high God Adonai. I don't ask for this it's just what God has given me at this present time.
It sounds like your suffering from some sort of undiagnosed mental condition or schizophrenic episode s I would say get professional help
Okay is it Jesus or Adonai?
Aliens seem to be connected to all these religions. Interesting that they pop up and you get special abilities when getting into a religion.
You should read Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Father Seraphim Rose.
I don’t want to be rude, but that is a clear symptom of a psychotic disorder. I don’t want to minimize your experience, but I’ve known too many people who have been deceived by similar thoughts.
Talking to a professional may help you.If anything it will give you a different mode from which to experience and interact with God.
Don’t be fooled by the ego or The deceiver.
Sending LOVE your way
I entered into Christian mysticism when I entered the Order of Carmelite Discalced. Our spirituality is based on St. Teresa of Jesus and St. John of the Cross. 4 years after entering the monastery, I entered into Infused contemplation, hence mystical prayer, after a 4 days experiencing direct contact with God. Today, I draw from mysticism of other religion and cultures, drawing from them to further my path to Union with God, enlightenment, or to that Oneness.
This is such a great video and explanation on Christina mysticism. I am Eastern European and born into Orthodox Christianity. This video gave me so many answers to the way my family perceive and practise religion and my mother saying that one doesn’t need to understand God but Love him. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
This is fantastic. So well done.
I'm a narrative designer. I study story and scripture is interesting because it's clearly written for an old age. It's no wonder so many people walk away with out outdated the writing is. Not in terms of speech but in how the characters are never portrayed to be relatable, in an age when that truly matters. So I'm new to the mysticism side and am excited to hear how this brings things to a more modern sense.
Lol.
So, burning Man is our modern mystical culture...
I have read a lot recently about how brand new agrarian societies had an ergot problem. They made everything with flour. Bread, beer, even the yeast in wine... communion was a thing before Christianity, as a culture practiced by Jewish mystics. Eating special bread, and drinking special wine or beer. To have mystical journeys. They called it mystical, we call it, today, hallucinating...😊
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems There are questions about psychedelic pharmaceuticals. Perhaps they don't allow us to see things beyond, but even if they only allow us to see things inside, that is just as valuable.
The Bible literally contains the entirety of the Monomyth several times over. It likely contains some of the earliest incarnations of the Monomyth that have been transcribed from oral traditions passed down through the ages. Granted, it contains a lot of legal texts, boring genealogies and histories, and corrective advising, but it also contains several epics and has an interwoven meta-narrative that is incredibly subtle that revolves around Christ. The first time I read it cover-to-cover, when I got to the Gospels I was floored when I realized that everything, from Adam and Eve onward, was a massive foreshadowing and allusion to what was to come. Even Abraham and Isaac and God staying Abraham’s hand when God gave His own son was an incredible meta-narrative plot. I don’t see how you could find it unrelatable. Could you elaborate?
@@padenvan The honest question that is still being debated is this: Was that meta narrative layer actually engineered? Or, in other words, written in a manner that would signify the authors understood what the outcome of their written ideas would mean to audiences... Or, was it more akin to a reporter observing and giving news wire updates of history? The answer to this one question, would change the perspective of your point dramatically. Either the Bible is a mirror-for-princes type of literature, and therefore engineered and able to be interpreted from your point of view. Or it is not. And then you must beg the question... What type of linguistic and literary traditions could have led to the compilation of these cultural histories in this fashion, without understanding that was what you were doing... the latter is how I interpret the past. It was more a fumbling in the dark, than an understood thing to be chosen between.
@@padenvan I don't disagree with your point, on the contrary. I just think the context for perspective matters. The authors and audiences then had different understandings and phenomenological definitions...
As a Pentecostal this is how I would describe my deepest and closest moments with God spiritually . I never realized how easily context can mislead people.
Read Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Father Seraphim Rose.
It's super interesting to see the similarities to eastern religions. The idea of becoming one with god for example.
It has always been a worldwide phenomenon, not belonging to east or west. As long as we are careful about how we define God, of course.
Christianity IS an Eastern religion.
What a gem of a video absolute perfection in inner wisdom. Thank you for this beautiful video on Christianity.
Real Christian mysticism is just Orthodox Christianity. Purification of the heart. Hesychasm. Noetic prayer. Synergeia. Theoria (The uncreated light). Theosis. It's all there. It is the life every Orthodox Christian ought to pursue, it is the spiritual struggle, the unseen warfare whose battleground is the human heart, it is the "strait gate" and "narrow path" which leads to eternal Life which is Christ.
Very similar to Catholicism
@@CryptidMechNot at all. It's like night and day.
I don’t yet understand this topic much at all, but I can already tell I’m going to listen to this video again to try to understand better. This is very pleasant to listen to and has already provided several moments of insight and inspiration to me. Thank you for your efforts to teach on these topics!
Another great video... Thank you...
one of my favorite episodes! thank you!!!🙏🙏🙏
I'm surprised there was no mention of Thomas Aquinas.
As a Christian, thank you for this video!!
Please share this to your missionaries and tell them to stop converting non-christians!
It’s interesting perhaps to note that Eckhart’s denial of the importance of “experience” mirrors my Sufi teacher’s similar denial. Every time I’ve brought him some experience, he’s been like, “Okay. Don’t worry about it. And try to forget about it.” When pressed, he’s said, “Those experiences are far from the point.” And even, “Such experiences are just mental and emotional diarrhea you’ve got to get through.”
🤷♀️
Disclaimer: I'm not a Sufi teacher. In my experience with Buddhist mysticism... it kinda depends on the experience. If it's a story, or images, of attractions and aversions, stuff having to do with your personality, such as goals, fears and so on, gods and demons ... then that teacher is correct, according to Buddhist mysticism, at least - the details of that sort of experience aren't important, and can be distracting if you latch onto them as something valuable. We're supposed to observe those thoughts, as they arise and then pass, rather than to let them snowball until we get lost in them. That's a Buddhist perspective, but it seems like Sufis have the same process of not getting caught up in those types of experiences. The more mystical Buddhists say don't even hold onto experiences of pure awareness... because those will collapse if you try too hard to hold onto them, when you try to grasp more. It's a paradox, a catch-22. It's interesting that Sufis aren't so different.
Wow, Buddhist dzogchen, as I know it, there's even a similar idea to Eckhart's "ground" - called "alaya" in dzogchen tradition. There isn't as much personification as with the Christian God, though.
@@GizzyDillespee It’s pretty similar. I’ve studied with some Buddhist teachers, as well (within Zen and Dzogchen lineages), and have received very similar instructions as with my root teacher in Sufism. Even as far as letting go of any experiences of unity or oneness or emptiness-just let them pass.
And I wouldn’t worry about the word ‘God’ too much. An intensely “orthodox,” fiqh-oriented Sufi teacher once told me that, “The Sufi understanding of ‘God’ is closer to the Buddhists’ adibuddha, Eckhart’s Nothingness, and the views of most atheists than it is to common reified, and often anthropomorphic, concepts of God.” With “personification” only coming in as an apophatic negation of the impersonal, to keep one from drifting into the extreme of what Buddhists would call annihilationism.
Who is your teacher?
Perhaps Eckhart was keen to keep his head fixed to his body or not to be fried in a fire. Avoiding talking about inner experiences in 14th century Germany was a safer path than either sharing them or validating them …he could also have lacked eidetic skills or facility - whilst agreeing ‘experiences’ are not THE goal they are frequently unavoidable…nowadays accusations of magic or heresy etc are uncommon in western culture
He consumes me beyond all nature of fire; even the thought of a memory of myself is now unknowable to me. This is because of how I know and love-and love and know-him.
Am I talking about God, or about Kevin?
Yes.
A lot of these mystical experiences are related to samādhi or meditative absorption described in the Buddhist scriptures.
LoL and Buddhists copied hindus
When you look into the mystical traditions of religions, you find shockingly similar experiences (which indicates there's clearly truth in it). though, that does mean the differences become even more important.
@@drooskie9525 The mysticism in Abrahamic religions are later developments, mysticism was seen as pagan tradition in Both religions and was not supported at all! These mystic philosophers cherry pick verses from their books and interpret it in a mystical fashion! A true mystical religion won't divide others in the name of non-believers!
The way a mystic can make a simple logical point in whisky flowery language, making it into a novel, is amazing.😂😊
Though I personally have more interest in the Benedictine/Cistercian and Christian Neoplatonic traditions, I think in general a more valuable follow-up episode would be on the Carmelite mystics. Their mysticism was the most prominent in Catholicism from the 16th century to at least the 1970s and perhaps still today, but this episode barely mentioned them.