Thanks my friend. I always appreciate your encouragement across the Pacific Ocean there. I was bit shy with my voiceover & explanations but watching some of your videos compelled me to at least try. I just had to plug in anyone that may need help per observation. I hope it just helps someone make a hard decision. As you know video is hard but with practice like building bikes you streamline an optimal process with improvements. Thanks again Rod - really appreciate your samples. Ingat always & God bless
@@DungcainMotion Hey pal I just Bought the same bike and u love supe much. But I'm a little disappointed. In the peddling. You thank if I installed a 7 speed gear. U thank that would. Make it much much easier to peddle Up hill.
@@JohnWayne-xo7js are you referring to a 7 speed rear replacement cassette? I feel it’s really the smaller crank set gear sprocket that also needs replacing. The 36 t I think it is doesn’t do much with the rear freewheel for pedaling the fat tires, engines & weight. It’s really to heavy to pedal that thing for me & rely mostly on the motor assist. Have you check out our Phatmoto Facebook group? We got some knowledgeable folks that can prolly help with the pedal gearing & such. I’ll eventually swap the motor on that thing one day. Anyhow thanks again for your visit & I hope I somewhat helped
@@DungcainMotion ya man thanks for the advice I'll check the Facebook page out. And ya agree it's super hard to peddle any up hill. And I'm all about pull Tough ... lol speed don't matter to me. But is the back sprocket the the chain from the motor is hooked to Is it a...... you said 36. Tooth u think the 50 tooth they sell there Webb site will help pluse the the 7 gear ratio....... idk at all So I wod love some good advice on how to make it not so hard to peddle. Thanks bud.
@@JohnWayne-xo7js - The stock rear drive sprocket connected to the motor is a 50t. The 36 gear I was referring to the Crank set gear attached to the pedal, I think needs be larger to help ease the pedal. If you are having trouble peddling, the drive 415 or 420 chain connected to the the rear drive sprocket maybe a little tight. Loosening the chain tensioner wheel freeze it up a bit. Be careful of the brake calipar and 50t sprocket, not much room there and they can grind each other down. Hope this clears up a few things
love my phatmoto! had a rover 3 years n 3000 plus miles. just got a 7 speed all terrain and fricken love it. phatmoto life! best upgrade was avid bb7 calipers.
I have the 2021 Rover. I put Kevlar street tires on on. Love it. Put a bike trailer on it and do some Door Dash with it. FYI your fuel filter is on backwards. Don’t turn it around replace it. Otherwise you’ll flush trash from it into your carburetor.
Very cool. Lol - that’s how it came 🤦♂️. Kinda wished I just got the Rover the 4.0 tires are a drag. Any upgrades yet on the motor? I’ve kinda gave up on my AT
Thanks for going over the bike. I liked the way you told us that the brakes tend to fade, the driven sprocket was too close to the brake caliper housing, the chain came too tight, the throttle linkage design was weak and how to correct it, etc. I was thinking of getting that bike, but I'm not too sure now. I don't want to use half of my time maintaining the bike, like on a motorcycle I used to have.
No problem. Keep an eye out for the used marketplace’s, you can find one that someone gave up on that you can upgrade. Yuup! Most of the parts that come on this bike will need to be replaced with better hardware as you tinker with the Phatmoto. Not for everyone that has little or no mechanical skills
Think the question is more.. "should i buy a new one or used one?" Its the best frame you can get and you can do soooo much with it. I put over 18k miles on mostly stock bike. Even wrecked badly folded my CDH forks in half the rest of the bike was fine even the rim was still true bye *I* only needed to adjust a tiny bit
Would be a good project when the Lifan goes. I’d build an electric from ground up if I get a chance. They also released a Phatmoto e version if you can’t. But price is almost same as you build your own with quality parts.
I BOUGHT ONE TOO-YELLOW. Stock they suck! Where do I begin? Remove the govenor. Replace orginal carb with 30-40 mm 2 stoke adapter and jrl carb. Replace the calipers with hydraulic mechanical ones. Replaced the front forks with staight forks. Added rear rack and dual baskets. Replaced throttle grips w/alum. one. Added slime tubes and slime puncture strips. Changed the clutch to 1pz clutch from amazon. Added a bright headlight. And added a set of plastic yellow fenders from amazon. Changed the pedals. Added bones chrome rear view mirrors. If you ask my opinion. Id say save your money and build a v twin bike! Dont spend it on phatmoto!
I hear ya man - The form and design I think was good but not sure they had the quality team to get the product out to the market. being in quality and looking at the bolts - they just didn't pick the right harden hardware thus a lot of issues with critical bolts getting loose out of the box. Rule of thumb any moving critical moving parts that has bolts need to be inspected, taken out and re-locktite. Especially that JackShaft bolt. Anyhow - This was the first AT model that came off the line and hopefully they make improvements with the parts and the quality inspection. It looks real nice - but needs a mechanic and not a novice beginner. For the money and experience - I may pick up the rover as I hear that got better with the 3rd Iteration. Will see - I still prefer building from ground up with tried quality parts. If you really want one - I say research it first before the disappointed. Expect to do some work. Thanks again for your comment and insight really appreciate it.
Hey man do you think you could provide a link for the clutch? I can’t find a decent one and I don’t want to put more money into products that don’t fit
Thanks for that review. I was interested in the gen3 phatmoto because of the drop in price and the frame for my KTM50, but that 79cc seems to be good enough if it can cruise in the low 30s
@@kaseygrumpykeller5867 thank you.i also has 3 spacers that rather came out of the plastic piece or were already on the ground when I opened the case do they go in on the blots got the case
Thanks Man - Ye man this was the Veteran's day tribute and the not so easy way to change up the frame without sanding it down. It's a bit of a pain to get the vinyl around the tank oval but if you cut up the vinyl and puzzle it together in smaller pieces it is easier. This took we like 3 tries to get right. It's easier application on the tube bars. Hope that helps.
Thanks Bruce - been watching your latest video rolls. When is the next video ? thanks again man - keep it up with the charitable page. Very admirable of you
Did your frame come with a seat & post? I’d used that & grab another seat post. All you need is 6 to 8 inches. You have to cut the top post to seat properly or simply get a bobber seat. Hope that helps!
I'm liking this newer approach on the video hobby and the Bike Builds - Keep this up! I watch it till the end. Great Plugin to the group. Did you get paid for this ?
Thanks for the comment and appreciate your warm feedback. Ye - i figure why not help the ones that help themselves. I just hope the video helps others since I was in the same boat 11months ago. Thanks again for your visit and tune in for the next build videos.
The regular Phatmoto is better, fat tires are not meant to do 35mph and the fork on the fat tire Phatmoto is deadly, the fork on the original Phatmoto is also deadly but you can replace it with a entry level RockShox for around $200 and your good, however a good fat tire Fork is about $700, and then you're going to need a thru axle Hub which it's going to cost about another hundred dollars, if you don't know how to lace your own wheels going your going to have to pay bike shop another hundred dollars, and then on top of that you're going to have to replace the headset which is about another $50. So you're looking at $950 just to put a fork that can handle that kind of speed and power. If you want a Phatmoto you should get it now because they are only $800, and the newer are $200 more for gears that you don't want, unless you're going to paddle it without the motor
THanks for that insight my friend and your visit. Ye unfortunately this bike is like a collector piece for hobbyist when the thing fen run right. Very true on the liquidation prices and that a good time to get one. The frame will give you challenges for upgrades to 212 but feasible. Jackshaft is a novel idea but a bit awkward and can become unbalance. Learning after a few bikes from 38cc to 212 - its really best to build ground up vs kits. You choose your quality parts. I'll eventually upgrade at one point. This would probably be my last phatmoto unless I come across a gen 3 rover for a good price. Thanks again. Don't get me wrong the bike is hella cool but gots its limitation on power to weight with 79cc ackward Lifan. Check out what I do with the American Sourced Theme Bike . Ghost Rider project
Considering the existing frame setup & bottom mounts , that maybe the best way to go with the next evolution of the 1300$ frame. Might as well build something better if you got the tools & means. Made in America better . Then again not many parts out there made here now
Uhhh...NO! I bought one, str8 garbage! The gear in the frame threw craps with the bottom of the barrel bearings! And the seats are nut and coochie killers. Plus the Lifan engine is garbage!! Build your own! Grab a gas tank frame and a Harbor Freight 79 and go for it!!
Salamat po for your visit. I'll come and check you out. If you haven't subbed yet - we got a new motorbike build coming soon. Thanks again and appreciate your support
No doubt! Glad to help . hope the video was at least watchable. Thanks again and can't wait to see you all out on the snow. Still working on the Ski design
You are totally great on that bro. Thumbs up and Salute to your awesome build my friend. Your are 100% talented bro.
Thanks my friend. I always appreciate your encouragement across the Pacific Ocean there. I was bit shy with my voiceover & explanations but watching some of your videos compelled me to at least try. I just had to plug in anyone that may need help per observation. I hope it just helps someone make a hard decision. As you know video is hard but with practice like building bikes you streamline an optimal process with improvements. Thanks again Rod - really appreciate your samples. Ingat always & God bless
@@DungcainMotion Hey pal I just Bought the same bike and u love supe much. But I'm a little disappointed. In the peddling. You thank if I installed a 7 speed gear. U thank that would. Make it much much easier to peddle Up hill.
@@JohnWayne-xo7js are you referring to a 7 speed rear replacement cassette? I feel it’s really the smaller crank set gear sprocket that also needs replacing. The 36 t I think it is doesn’t do much with the rear freewheel for pedaling the fat tires, engines & weight. It’s really to heavy to pedal that thing for me & rely mostly on the motor assist. Have you check out our Phatmoto Facebook group? We got some knowledgeable folks that can prolly help with the pedal gearing & such. I’ll eventually swap the motor on that thing one day. Anyhow thanks again for your visit & I hope I somewhat helped
@@DungcainMotion ya man thanks for the advice I'll check the Facebook page out. And ya agree it's super hard to peddle any up hill. And I'm all about pull Tough ... lol speed don't matter to me. But is the back sprocket the the chain from the motor is hooked to
Is it a...... you said 36. Tooth u think the 50 tooth they sell there Webb site will help pluse the the 7 gear ratio....... idk at all
So I wod love some good advice on how to make it not so hard to peddle. Thanks bud.
@@JohnWayne-xo7js - The stock rear drive sprocket connected to the motor is a 50t. The 36 gear I was referring to the Crank set gear attached to the pedal, I think needs be larger to help ease the pedal. If you are having trouble peddling, the drive 415 or 420 chain connected to the the rear drive sprocket maybe a little tight. Loosening the chain tensioner wheel freeze it up a bit. Be careful of the brake calipar and 50t sprocket, not much room there and they can grind each other down. Hope this clears up a few things
love my phatmoto! had a rover 3 years n 3000 plus miles. just got a 7 speed all terrain and fricken love it. phatmoto life! best upgrade was avid bb7 calipers.
How often do you change out the calipers? Any advice on the best upgrades you’ve done?
I have the 2021 Rover. I put Kevlar street tires on on. Love it. Put a bike trailer on it and do some Door Dash with it. FYI your fuel filter is on backwards. Don’t turn it around replace it. Otherwise you’ll flush trash from it into your carburetor.
Very cool. Lol - that’s how it came 🤦♂️. Kinda wished I just got the Rover the 4.0 tires are a drag. Any upgrades yet on the motor? I’ve kinda gave up on my AT
Thanks for going over the bike. I liked the way you told us that the brakes tend to fade, the driven sprocket was too close to the brake caliper housing, the chain came too tight, the throttle linkage design was weak and how to correct it, etc. I was thinking of getting that bike, but I'm not too sure now. I don't want to use half of my time maintaining the bike, like on a motorcycle I used to have.
No problem. Keep an eye out for the used marketplace’s, you can find one that someone gave up on that you can upgrade. Yuup! Most of the parts that come on this bike will need to be replaced with better hardware as you tinker with the Phatmoto. Not for everyone that has little or no mechanical skills
You should stay far aways from the motorized bicycle hobby then. Been doing it for 8 years and working on it is half of it no matter what
Update. I bought a 98cc engine from GPS did light mods and really woke up my rover. Couldn’t be happier with it now.
Sweet! Very nicely done.
Think the question is more.. "should i buy a new one or used one?"
Its the best frame you can get and you can do soooo much with it.
I put over 18k miles on mostly stock bike. Even wrecked badly folded my CDH forks in half the rest of the bike was fine even the rim was still true bye *I* only needed to adjust a tiny bit
I'm interested in adding a mid drive electric to a PHATMOTO, the sticking point so far seems to be the extra wide crank arms.
Would be a good project when the Lifan goes. I’d build an electric from ground up if I get a chance. They also released a Phatmoto e version if you can’t. But price is almost same as you build your own with quality parts.
I got rid of mine, and don't regret it. Moved onto another chinese bike, the road legal Brozz 250.
I BOUGHT ONE TOO-YELLOW. Stock they suck! Where do I begin?
Remove the govenor.
Replace orginal carb with 30-40 mm 2 stoke adapter and jrl carb.
Replace the calipers with hydraulic mechanical ones.
Replaced the front forks with staight forks.
Added rear rack and dual baskets.
Replaced throttle grips w/alum. one.
Added slime tubes and slime puncture strips.
Changed the clutch to 1pz clutch from amazon.
Added a bright headlight.
And added a set of plastic yellow fenders from amazon.
Changed the pedals.
Added bones chrome rear view mirrors.
If you ask my opinion. Id say save your money and build a v twin bike! Dont spend it on phatmoto!
I hear ya man - The form and design I think was good but not sure they had the quality team to get the product out to the market. being in quality and looking at the bolts - they just didn't pick the right harden hardware thus a lot of issues with critical bolts getting loose out of the box. Rule of thumb any moving critical moving parts that has bolts need to be inspected, taken out and re-locktite. Especially that JackShaft bolt. Anyhow - This was the first AT model that came off the line and hopefully they make improvements with the parts and the quality inspection. It looks real nice - but needs a mechanic and not a novice beginner. For the money and experience - I may pick up the rover as I hear that got better with the 3rd Iteration. Will see - I still prefer building from ground up with tried quality parts. If you really want one - I say research it first before the disappointed. Expect to do some work. Thanks again for your comment and insight really appreciate it.
Hey man do you think you could provide a link for the clutch? I can’t find a decent one and I don’t want to put more money into products that don’t fit
Thanks for that review. I was interested in the gen3 phatmoto because of the drop in price and the frame for my KTM50, but that 79cc seems to be good enough if it can cruise in the low 30s
I have one, and I love it,as soon as you get the bugs worked out they are awesome 😎💯
I have a problem with my clutch I've only rode it for 2 months. The clutch needed grease .
@@kaseygrumpykeller5867 thank you.i also has 3 spacers that rather came out of the plastic piece or were already on the ground when I opened the case do they go in on the blots got the case
@@ronaldearmore4125 the spacers go between the plastic cover and the engine,helps will cooling
@@ronaldearmore4125 just on here Beau brummel has a lot of great videos
Sweet bike bro I like that camouflage look sets it off
Thanks Man - Ye man this was the Veteran's day tribute and the not so easy way to change up the frame without sanding it down. It's a bit of a pain to get the vinyl around the tank oval but if you cut up the vinyl and puzzle it together in smaller pieces it is easier. This took we like 3 tries to get right. It's easier application on the tube bars. Hope that helps.
Cool bro thanks
Can I put a 212cc on a Phatmoto frame
You have been practicing! Sweet edit and that new bike is gonna be worth watching. keep it up my friend. Be like water! Watch the finger.
Thanks Bruce - been watching your latest video rolls. When is the next video ? thanks again man - keep it up with the charitable page. Very admirable of you
Great work! With your vertical mount, where do you source the solid post insert so the U-clamp will not crush the sit post?
Did your frame come with a seat & post? I’d used that & grab another seat post. All you need is 6 to 8 inches. You have to cut the top post to seat properly or simply get a bobber seat. Hope that helps!
Wtf! Duncan- this is a nice scrapper vid. Info is great man. I still like the Reddawn45 design. Kee this up . Epic editz 💪🤜🤜
LOL... You know now now
I'm liking this newer approach on the video hobby and the Bike Builds - Keep this up! I watch it till the end. Great Plugin to the group. Did you get paid for this ?
Thanks for the comment and appreciate your warm feedback. Ye - i figure why not help the ones that help themselves. I just hope the video helps others since I was in the same boat 11months ago. Thanks again for your visit and tune in for the next build videos.
The regular Phatmoto is better, fat tires are not meant to do 35mph and the fork on the fat tire Phatmoto is deadly, the fork on the original Phatmoto is also deadly but you can replace it with a entry level RockShox for around $200 and your good, however a good fat tire Fork is about $700, and then you're going to need a thru axle Hub which it's going to cost about another hundred dollars, if you don't know how to lace your own wheels going your going to have to pay bike shop another hundred dollars, and then on top of that you're going to have to replace the headset which is about another $50. So you're looking at $950 just to put a fork that can handle that kind of speed and power. If you want a Phatmoto you should get it now because they are only $800, and the newer are $200 more for gears that you don't want, unless you're going to paddle it without the motor
THanks for that insight my friend and your visit. Ye unfortunately this bike is like a collector piece for hobbyist when the thing fen run right. Very true on the liquidation prices and that a good time to get one. The frame will give you challenges for upgrades to 212 but feasible. Jackshaft is a novel idea but a bit awkward and can become unbalance. Learning after a few bikes from 38cc to 212 - its really best to build ground up vs kits. You choose your quality parts. I'll eventually upgrade at one point. This would probably be my last phatmoto unless I come across a gen 3 rover for a good price. Thanks again. Don't get me wrong the bike is hella cool but gots its limitation on power to weight with 79cc ackward Lifan. Check out what I do with the American Sourced Theme Bike . Ghost Rider project
@@DungcainMotion agreed, one thing I wish they would have done is built a freewheel into the jackshaft
I hope i have one of this in the philippines.
Badass builds
A Yamaha KT100 engine would make those things fly.
Considering the existing frame setup & bottom mounts , that maybe the best way to go with the next evolution of the 1300$ frame. Might as well build something better if you got the tools & means. Made in America better . Then again not many parts out there made here now
Uhhh...NO! I bought one, str8 garbage! The gear in the frame threw craps with the bottom of the barrel bearings! And the seats are nut and coochie killers. Plus the Lifan engine is garbage!! Build your own! Grab a gas tank frame and a Harbor Freight 79 and go for it!!
Better off building one from the ground up with an American steel frame . Comes out to be the same price with your quality parts.
To slow make it faster, 30 Miles per hour is very slow
To México???
Sorry not sure if it ships to Mexico. My parts no can’t ship to Mexico. Sorry my friend .
@@DungcainMotion tanks,, i sad
suck that it illegal in canada
Ah! I didn’t know that. Why is that?
Great upload idol ganda ng bike mo its so nice..ikaw na ang bahala sa akin idol
Thank you po! What part of the Visayas you from ?
Liked #22 idol ..full pack nato .pasukli nalang idol
Salamat po for your visit. I'll come and check you out. If you haven't subbed yet - we got a new motorbike build coming soon. Thanks again and appreciate your support
Thanks for the plug in. You need one with skis ⛷ on it. 💪👍🤜🤜🤜
No doubt! Glad to help . hope the video was at least watchable. Thanks again and can't wait to see you all out on the snow. Still working on the Ski design
Nice, have a great day ahead #lherma
Thanks, you too! Take care abroad and tune in for the next videos. Part timer lang . hobbies ko